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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha about them to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you a production of iHeartRadio and today

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Speaker 1: we are doing kind of a feminist movie Wednesday Friday,

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Speaker 1: but not really because originally, Okay, so we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Frozen and it sprawled out and it is a two

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Speaker 1: the ten year anniversary of Frozen. So many people are

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Speaker 1: writing so many things about it, it's almost impressive that

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to look back at it. And I

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Speaker 1: And we kind of talked about doing that as our

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to do a comparison. And then, as

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Speaker 1: a lot of our episodes tend to do, it just

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Speaker 1: grew and grew and grew. There were more articles than

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Speaker 1: I could ever read. I know Samantha knows this about me.

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Speaker 1: I try not to use my phone after ten pm,

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Speaker 1: but last night I was texting you at like midnight,

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Speaker 1: like WHOA Frozen?

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Speaker 2: I actually refrained from texting you, yeah, because it's like

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Speaker 2: she's got this rule, and then you tuxt it in

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Speaker 2: me and I'll go, oh wait.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because of Frozen, and I just went on this

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Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole and I was looking into there were

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Speaker 1: so many articlesthas this Honestly, like somebody could just and

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Speaker 1: I bet someone already has just do a show about

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Speaker 1: all of the things written about Frozen. This is not

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Speaker 1: that show, but we're going to go over some of

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Speaker 1: the main points of a lot of those things in this.

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Speaker 1: I think the first part is going to be a

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Speaker 1: then the differences between and then the next part will

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Speaker 1: be a look at the legacy of it. So look

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Speaker 1: forward to that. And I am very excited about something

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Speaker 1: Samantha is going to contribute because this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a lot of me talking about Frozen.

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Speaker 2: But yes, because we look behind the curtains. I had

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Speaker 2: a Mandila effect moment with this movie because when I

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Speaker 2: doing this, And I was like, I think I've seen it.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure i've seen it.

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Speaker 2: Let me go back and look. Maybe I didn't see it,

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Speaker 2: things just prepares let's go. So last night my partner

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Speaker 2: how far behind are we? I was like, yeah, this

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Speaker 2: far we are. And as it opened up the credits

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Speaker 2: opening credit music was like very native indigenous music, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't understand why they put this

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Speaker 2: seen Mauana either. I'm not seeing either one. So as

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Speaker 1: The interest thing about Frozen, and I'm going to have

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Speaker 2: I think I just like, right, I guess it would

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Speaker 1: That would not have been difficult. My parents love movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously I've never been on this ride because I

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Speaker 2: as the fact that can I say it the beginning

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Speaker 1: They're just performed at the White House, So it spawned

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Speaker 1: all kinds of things like that. It's in Kingdom Hearts,

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Speaker 2: Wish isn't out yet, is it? Yes? Oh it is.

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Speaker 1: No, it's out well mm hmmm. This is probably part

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Speaker 2: I like, I'm part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Samantha, it's all you my bad. Uh. There is

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Speaker 2: people will not let this go? And also Manzel has

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Speaker 1: After a while it becomes a trial. Yeah, even Menzelle,

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Speaker 2: It's intense, Like I cannot imagine the level because but

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Speaker 2: I mean, she is a professional, like Wicked was her

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Speaker 2: She was always big. Don't get me wrong. I got

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Speaker 2: of the series that I loved, that was a Disney

429
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Speaker 2: ABC series that pretty much took a whole spin on

430
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Speaker 2: the fairy Tales, Disney fairy Tales and all the fairy

431
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: Tales alike. Most people think we've already talked about it,

432
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: like starts out with snow White and Prince Charming being

433
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Speaker 2: cursed and then coming into the real world in the

434
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Speaker 2: land that's all these things, and then they bring all

435
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Speaker 2: of the characters. You have a little Red Riding Hood,

436
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: you have Pinocchio, you have Ruppel, steel Skin, You've got

437
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Speaker 2: all of them. So on this one is the fourth

438
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Speaker 2: season where they introduced Frozen characters. So we have and

439
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Speaker 2: Anna coming in and the iss they in the entire

440
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Speaker 2: series is wrapped around Frozen essentially. And the way it

441
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Speaker 2: works is they do a lot of flashbacks to try

442
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: and to you know, they go backwards into unraveling a mystery,

443
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: and then it shows like the relationships between Anna and Elsa,

444
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Speaker 2: and I will say that the characters they the people

445
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: they cast as the characters was on point, Like they

446
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: did a great job between like the voices sounding like it.

447
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: Of course they never seen by the way uh mannerisms

448
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 2: being on point, and of course they add like beauty

449
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: and the beast in the mix in the story. But

450
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: this is kind of like a prequel, I guess conversation

451
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Speaker 2: because you have an aunt coming into the picture who

452
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Speaker 2: has the same powers like uh Elsa, and then this

453
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Speaker 2: whole level of like Elsa being the monster and then

454
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Speaker 2: this h the aunt being a monster because she was

455
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Speaker 2: treated wrongly by her family, specifically Elsa's mother, and then

456
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: Elsa's mother and father turns out that she had gone.

457
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Speaker 2: They had gone on this mission on a ship to

458
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Speaker 2: try to cure her quote unquote cure Elsa. I don't

459
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Speaker 2: know if this is the thing. The Wishing Star is

460
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Speaker 2: a plot point, is it? Okay?

461
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Speaker 1: Okay?

462
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Speaker 2: When you said that, I was like, oh, maybe it

463
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: is a part of it. Once upon a time as

464
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: well as part of the what they were looking for.

465
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: They talked to the patrols and trying to find it.

466
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Speaker 2: They come to the villain who is Rumpel Stillskin who

467
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: is helping them with all these things, so many things.

468
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: Hook is a part of this as well. Wow, And

469
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: it all talks about like being family and love. And Emma,

470
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Speaker 2: who is the main character of the entire series, who

471
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Speaker 2: is the daughter of snow White and the Prince, is

472
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Speaker 2: trying to take control of her own powers and not

473
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Speaker 2: feel feeling like an outcast and feeling like she had

474
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: been abandoned as well. So those plot points come through

475
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: together very sweet. And then trying to get Elsa and

476
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: Anna reunited as well in this whole conversation and where

477
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: because Elsa pops up to the real world confused and

478
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: no one knows how she got there, and then no

479
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: one knows why she's there, and then turns out she

480
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: had been like cursed into an urn that held her

481
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: because they were trying to stop her powers, and then

482
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: she got here and she's confused because she's lost. They

483
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: always lose their memory, by the way, This is a

484
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Speaker 2: huge thing in the entire series. They all lose their

485
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Speaker 2: memories all the time. But they can't find Anna, and

486
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Speaker 2: she knows that she needs Anna to control her powers

487
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Speaker 2: quote unquote, and then that's yeah, that's it. That's the

488
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: whole plump point. But those are the things without going

489
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Speaker 2: through the entire twelve fourteen episodes, which by the way,

490
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Speaker 2: apparently was one of the highest viewed episodes seasons for

491
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Speaker 2: that series, which was pretty big success. It was around

492
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: like six seasons. It kept going. At one point I

493
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: was like, all right, eventually you're gonna have to stop

494
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: losing your memory and stopped trying to be reunited with

495
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Speaker 2: each other because this is getting old.

496
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Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'm very I've been meaning to watch that show.

497
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Speaker 1: I think I really should.

498
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Speaker 2: It's it's so enjoyable. There's a lot of like all like,

499
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: it's one of my field good movies because they always

500
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: have this thing about like redemption arc for all the villains,

501
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: and some of them just can't they just can't.

502
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Speaker 1: Oh really just saying okay. Interesting. One of the reasons,

503
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Speaker 1: like I said, I wanted to talk about this was

504
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: because I had read I thought about doing the fairy

505
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Speaker 1: Tale for our book club that this is based upon,

506
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Speaker 1: and I read it and I was like, wow, this

507
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: is so different, and it's interesting in the ways that

508
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: it is different. So we just go through that real

509
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Speaker 1: quick allegedly Walt Disney himself wanted to adapt The Snow

510
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Speaker 1: Queen from pretty much the get go, and they've like

511
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: on and off, tried it since those early days. They

512
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: really tried to make it happen since two thousand and eight,

513
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Speaker 1: Like they had a table read in two thousand and

514
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Speaker 1: eight with like Megan Malallely. I think, but the movie

515
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: is only a loose adaptation of this fairy tale. The

516
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: ending especially is very different. But yeah, I think some

517
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Speaker 1: of the changes they made are really interesting. Frozen is yes,

518
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: based on Hans Christian Anderson's fairy tale The Snow Queen,

519
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: which was first published in eighteen forty four. It is

520
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Speaker 1: told in seven parts and follows two young friends, Kai

521
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Speaker 1: and Gerda, which I watched Frozen with the subtitles on

522
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: last night, and their characters named Kai and Gerda. In it,

523
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: their friendship is tested by Snow Queen and then ultimately

524
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Speaker 1: they win. You know, but so. One of the main

525
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Speaker 1: differences between the fairy tale and the movie is that

526
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Speaker 1: the Snow Queen is the primary antagonist in the fairy tale,

527
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Speaker 1: while she is one of the primary protagonists in the movie.

528
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Speaker 1: The villain is instead Hans in the movie. So in

529
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Speaker 1: the story, she the snow Queen lures children away, knowing

530
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Speaker 1: that they'll freeze to death. In the movie, Elsa is

531
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: traumatized and afraid of her powers, but she doesn't want

532
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: to hurt anyone. She removes herself from situations or she

533
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: thinks she's gonna calls harm to minimize harm, and she

534
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: tries to minimize her ability. She tries to squash them away.

535
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Speaker 1: She has to use the power of love and being

536
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Speaker 1: open to control it. Anderson's Snow Queen is defeated by

537
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: youthful innocence like she's She's basically like your evil witch

538
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: in more traditional Disney movies. She has more powers in

539
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Speaker 1: the fairy Tale or as far as we know, because

540
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: now it's gonna beet frozen three and four, who knows

541
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Speaker 1: what could happen. She can like kill in numb with

542
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Speaker 1: her kisses. She's very seductive. The Faairytale opens with the

543
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Devil disguised as an evil troll who makes a mirror

544
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: that distorts reality and later breaks that mirror into pieces

545
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: that bury, Yeah, that bury themselves into the eyes and

546
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Speaker 1: hearts of people.

547
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Speaker 2: Oh that's a part of once really, Yeah, they actually

548
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: have that. That's at once. That's cool, and they talk

549
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: about that story. Now that you say that, that specific story,

550
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: the aunt relays to Elsa and Anna or she tells

551
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: it to Anna and kind of like this is a

552
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Speaker 2: mudby what happened? Have you ever heard this fairy tale?

553
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Speaker 2: And how did you break it? Like as an omen

554
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: but yeah, that actually yeah, that's the part of the

555
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: pop point too.

556
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Speaker 1: Cool. Cool, Yeah, I mean this sounds it also reminds

557
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: me of like snow white and stuff, which again, if

558
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: you've seen Wish, you know what I'm talking about.

559
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: Interesting, it sounds like they did like a blend of

560
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Speaker 2: the fairy Tale and Frozen in the Once upon a

561
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: Time because the snow Queen that's what she's referenced as

562
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: in Once upon a Time and it is the aunt to

563
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: the girls who just wants to bring the family. But

564
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: she is the antagonist until a certain point.

565
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: But she so she does have a redemption arc. Okay, interesting. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 1: So these shards from this mirror hit one of these

567
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: kids and they turn him like cold and distant. They

568
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: make him vulnerable to the ice Cream's powers, and to

569
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Speaker 1: save him, the other child cries warm tears onto him,

570
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: and they melt the ice in his heart, which is

571
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: similar ish to the ending of Frozen, but notably, as

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Speaker 1: I said, Frozen went through a lot, a lot, a

573
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Speaker 1: lot of rewrites. The original ending of Frozen did place

574
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Speaker 1: Elsa much more in the camp of a villain and

575
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Speaker 1: had her torturing soldiers, intentionally creating an army of snow monsters.

576
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Speaker 1: In this original version, On and Elsa weren't sisters. They

577
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Speaker 1: weren't woryal team. And Elsa had been left at the

578
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: altar and she is so upset she goes out to

579
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Speaker 1: a wishing star. She sees a wishing star, and she

580
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: wishes to never feel this pain again. And due to

581
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Speaker 1: a prophecy reading a ruler with a frozen heart will

582
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Speaker 1: bring destruction to the kingdom of Arundel, everyone thinks she

583
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Speaker 1: is the harbinger of destruction. I haven't read the original script,

584
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Speaker 1: so I'm not sure how that works. But yes, but

585
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: the prophecy was actually about Hans, who joined forces with

586
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Speaker 1: Elsa to cause an avalanche to defeat Anna. Eventually, Anna

587
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: did convince Elsa to join her, and Elsa regained her

588
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: ability to love. However, the producers were worried that no

589
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: one would like Elsa because she spent most of the

590
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Speaker 1: movie as a villain. Here's a quote from one of

591
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Speaker 1: the producers. Making them Anna and Elsa related led us

592
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Speaker 1: to the idea of her living in fear of her powers. Elsa,

593
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Speaker 1: what if she's afraid of who she is and afraid

594
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Speaker 1: of hurting the one she loves. Now we had a

595
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: character in Anna who is all about love and Elsa

596
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: who is all about fear. That led to making Elsa

597
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: a much more dimensional, sympathetic character, and instead of the

598
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: traditional good versus evil theme we had on that we

599
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: felt was more relatable love versus fear, and the premise

600
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: of the movie became that love is stronger than fear.

601
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Speaker 1: One of the things director Chris Buck had in most

602
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: versions of the film was a moment where Anna's heart

603
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: was frozen and needed to be thawed. Chris said, does

604
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: it always need to be true love's first kiss that

605
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: solves the problem? Does it always need to be a

606
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: man who comes in and rescues the female? Could it

607
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: be something different? And that led to a different ending

608
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Speaker 1: which I'm like, yes, but also yes, it's like I

609
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Speaker 1: don't know why. I'm very glad you can't get this

610
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: to this viewpoint, but also yes, I love it. I

611
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: did love that ending. I'm gonna talk about that more.

612
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: But it is funny to be reading it, especially now,

613
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: like looking back, you're like, yes, yes. Jennifer Lee's notes

614
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: on the original screening, So I told you they had

615
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: this like horrible screening of the first version and it

616
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: was not good. Jennifer Lee gave notes on it who

617
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: she felt bad. She felt bad about it because she

618
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: was like, I was very mean, but they were like, no,

619
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: it was needed. But one of the notes she had

620
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: was quote the Snowman was persnickety and mean, because this

621
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Speaker 1: is when Elsa was a villain and Anna, I felt,

622
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: was this mount Man's teaching her everything. The women were

623
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: against each other too, and I think I just felt

624
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: personally kept saying, if you really want to make this

625
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: about a different kind of true love and compassion, then

626
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: it's hard because they're against each other. And it was

627
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: like the production schedule got moved by a year, so

628
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: it was a very scrambled process, which I'm sure was

629
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Speaker 1: incredibly stressful, but it was very collaborative, Like a lot

630
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Speaker 1: of the actors have spoken about, Oh, I was like,

631
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: my character wouldn't do this, or wouldn't do this, and

632
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: because it was collaborative, it sounds like it did work.

633
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't always work, but in this case, it seemed

634
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: like it did. And yeah, many people did describe the

635
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: original story the original script is like a traditional Disney

636
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: storytelling thing with the evil witch the young heroine. But

637
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: when they changed it, it changed the whole game. And they

638
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: were in part thinking about this because of the success

639
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: of Tangled, which I would also love to talk about,

640
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: which wasn't necessarily so princess centric. By the way, both

641
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: the Dina Manziel and Kristen Bell and I'm pretty sure

642
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: like a lot of other people in this movie audition

643
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: for Tangled and didn't get it.

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Speaker 2: Really said, when you see Menzelle being like this huge

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Speaker 2: Broadway star having to audition from musical, I know.

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Speaker 1: And she said, she said, she feels I don't want

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Speaker 1: to like, I feel like I'm gonna misquote it because

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Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm saying she feels like she didn't

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Speaker 1: get it because of a technicality. But she said she

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Speaker 1: wasn't quite the right age because they one was like

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Speaker 1: the young heroine or the old stepmother, and she was

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Speaker 1: like kind of the mid so she didn't fit either. Or,

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Speaker 1: which is also a problem in a lot of these things.

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Speaker 2: Which is odd because previously it didn't matter. I know, interesting,

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Speaker 2: But also I don't know anything about Tangled. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I have a list of movies at the end of

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Speaker 1: part two that I want to come back to. Tangled

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Speaker 1: is one. We're gonna have to spread it out. Obviously

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Speaker 1: that was.

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Speaker 2: Not really heavily focused on in Once, but Brave was

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Speaker 2: Brave is.

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Speaker 1: All of this too. I have some thoughts about it.

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Speaker 1: When I want to hear your oh, we're gonna, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk because I want to know how Once handled it. Meredith, Yes,

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Speaker 1: can you change your fate? I sure? Apologies to everyone.

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Speaker 1: I have a friend who says that quote all of

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: I would I don't. I assume it's from that movie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Brave, which, by the way, if you believe

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Speaker 1: in the whole multiverse of Pixar, is the start. Oh okay.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that was different between Frozen and The Fairy

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Speaker 1: Tale is that they were Elson Honor were princesses. The

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Speaker 1: foils for them were poor children. Christophe was a violent

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Speaker 1: robber girl who threatened to kill one of the children,

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Speaker 1: and a sentient reindeer who was essentially spin so they

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Speaker 1: made him a bit more palatable. Also, religious evertones. There

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Speaker 1: was a lot of religious evertones, as there are with

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Speaker 1: many fairy tales that they did not include in the movie.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of darker material in the fairy

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Speaker 1: tale that they did not include the movie. Cannibalism, abuse, murders,

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Speaker 1: those fairy tales. If you go back and read them.

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Speaker 2: You realize that actual fairy tales are like that dark

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Speaker 2: guy Hansel and Gretel was real dark.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes it was. But okay, so I

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Speaker 1: feel like we've we've set the scene. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: be the end of our part one and then in

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Speaker 1: part two we're going to talk about the legacy, a

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Speaker 1: bunch of themes, all kinds of things and once and brave.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited. But yes, this is this is it

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Speaker 1: for now. If you have any thoughts about this, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, please let us know. You can email us

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Speaker 1: try a super producer Christina or executive producer Maya and

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Speaker 1: our contributor Joey. Thank you and thanks to you for listening.

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