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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Thursday, September eighteenth, and

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Speaker 1: will the view even make it to the morning. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. What are your

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Speaker 1: odds now? The FCC chairman spoke one day about going

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Speaker 1: after Kimmel. The next day Kimmel was off the air. Today,

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Speaker 1: Carr is talking about the View.

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Speaker 2: How long you give them?

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Speaker 3: Well, he's talking about whether or not they are a

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Speaker 3: bona fide news program and whether or not that allows

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Speaker 3: them this exemption of not giving equal time to political candidates.

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Speaker 1: What do you give them? What do you give them?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: The odds you is going to have a problem in

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Speaker 1: the next few days. What would you think based on

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Speaker 1: what we have?

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Speaker 3: Honestly fifty fifty at this point, fifty to fifty. I

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Speaker 3: think there's a chance that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to say, you know what, We're an uncharted territory.

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Speaker 3: I've in my lifetime, and I know we talked earlier

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Speaker 3: today about how there is history for what we're seeing,

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Speaker 3: and it wasn't in my lifetime. It wasn't anything I experienced.

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Speaker 3: I think Nixon might have been the last were that era,

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Speaker 3: But we have been in an era where, yes, the

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Speaker 3: press has been free. We haven't feared repercussions, we haven't

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Speaker 3: been under the microscope. And so now we are, and

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Speaker 3: now we are at odds, and some might even say

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Speaker 3: at war with this administration.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, all bets are off, all right.

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Speaker 1: So this has been another fast moving day and early

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Speaker 1: evening of development. We didn't necessarily plan on hopping on

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Speaker 1: including yes that Brendan Carr, the FCC chairman, the one

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Speaker 1: who spoke about Kimmel maybe needing to be held accountable,

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Speaker 1: and then the next day Kimmel was taken off the air.

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Speaker 1: While he is speaking now about the view, he spoke

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Speaker 1: today on another podcast his words, he doesn't believe that

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Speaker 1: Kimmel is the last shoe to drop, and then he

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Speaker 1: suggested that they might be going after or should look

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Speaker 1: into the view. We'll give you his exact quote in

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Speaker 1: here in a second. Also an update the latest Kimmel

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Speaker 1: ABC reportedly meeting tonight. Bloomberg is reporting that they are

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Speaker 1: going to be meeting tonight to discuss the future of

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Speaker 1: Kimmel at ABC and of his program, and also CNN

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Speaker 1: is reporting tonight's sources telling them that yes, ABC wants

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Speaker 1: him back. Robes we were there a long time. He

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Speaker 1: is highly regarded at that.

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Speaker 3: Network, without a doubt, and he is, I would say,

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Speaker 3: their biggest star. We talked about this earlier because he's

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Speaker 3: not just his late night comedy show. He is the

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Speaker 3: host of the Oscars. He's their go to when it

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Speaker 3: comes to anything big entertainment. He's the name, he's the draw.

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Speaker 3: He's an incredible host, he's an incredible talent and there's

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Speaker 3: no one quite like him. He can do it all.

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Speaker 3: He can talk politics, he can talk funny, he can lead.

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Speaker 2: He is their go to guy.

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Speaker 1: And he's great. He does it with a he has

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Speaker 1: a charm to him and every man, but he's self deprecating.

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Speaker 1: He just has a char always liked the guy. We

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Speaker 1: He's off the air right now. We will see what happens,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of folks immediately started thinking about, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's next. Who are they going to go after next.

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Speaker 1: Brendan Carr on a podcast today and we will give

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Speaker 1: you his quotes now, but he is making a point

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Speaker 1: that maybe maybe maybe they should take a look at

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Speaker 1: the View. Now, everybody at this point knows what this

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Speaker 1: show is. Daytime talk show founded by Barbara Walters. Daytime

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Speaker 1: Talk still considered a news program. But yes, they give

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Speaker 1: their takes, their hot takes, and they have plenty of

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Speaker 1: guests that run the gamut. Well, Brendan Carr said this today,

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Speaker 1: he's about the View.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Carr said, when you look at these other TV shows,

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is the FCC does have rule called the

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Speaker 3: equal Opportunity rule, but there's an exception to that rule

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Speaker 3: called the bonafide news exception, which means if you're a

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Speaker 3: equal opportunity rule. And over the years, the FCC has

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Speaker 1: He's put it out there, just like he did with Kimmel.

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Speaker 1: He kind of just it was a subtle, not a

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Speaker 1: subtle threat. It was a threat, but it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: it wasn't fire and fury in your face. Just you know,

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Speaker 1: make a suggestion, Well, maybe this is what they should do.

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Speaker 3: If you think about it. When he talked about Kimmel,

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Speaker 3: he said, you know.

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Speaker 2: They can make it easy for us, or they can

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Speaker 3: So he was kind of casual about that as well,

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Speaker 3: to throw a lot of weight to them, He didn't

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Speaker 3: because he knew that what he was saying was being

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Speaker 1: Okay, and now, but the bigger I guess the most

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Speaker 1: terrifying thing you could hear if you are in broadcast

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Speaker 1: television is someone saying they might take your broadcast license away.

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Speaker 1: This is the ultimate nuclear option. And so robes, there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of different and difficult pathways to actually

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Speaker 1: take a license that would be caught up in courts

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Speaker 1: for years, and the whole process is just complicated. But

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Speaker 1: to even hear the threat of it. I think many

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Speaker 1: people think that nobody's willing to call Donald Trump's bluff

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Speaker 2: But why would they?

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Speaker 3: Because Donald Trump has followed through on every threat he's made,

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Speaker 3: whether it be to Harvard or to China, regarding tariffs.

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Speaker 1: To New York Times, the New York.

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Speaker 3: Times, to the Wall Street Journal, his old pal Roger Ayles.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is someone who follows through. So when

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Speaker 3: Trump has threatened taking licenses from network television broadcast companies.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it will go ahead and give you his quote.

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Speaker 1: And why the why why would he do so? He

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Speaker 1: said this aboard Air Force one, and I quote, I

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Speaker 1: have read someplace that the networks were ninety seven against

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Speaker 1: bad publicity. I mean, they're getting a license. I would

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Speaker 1: think maybe their license should be taken away. Now again

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Speaker 1: that was That's another one. Of those very casual in

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Speaker 1: They're saying negative stuff about me. I'm getting bad press.

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Speaker 1: Maybe their license should be taken away. That's the most

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Speaker 1: terrifying thing I have heard a public official say in

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Speaker 3: I've never heard anything like that in my life and

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Speaker 3: certainly not in my career.

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Speaker 2: And I must say it is incredibly alarming.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just Trump who said it, because Carr

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Speaker 3: said the decision would ultimately be up to Brendan Carr.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said at the.

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Speaker 3: End of that, right, So he's putting it in the

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Speaker 3: FCC chairman's hands. So when you have Car regarding that

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Speaker 3: or talking about that, he says, when you have a

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Speaker 3: I guess they haven't had a conservative on in years.

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Speaker 2: Or something somebody said.

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Speaker 3: So they are seemingly tag teaming each other with these

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Speaker 3: that is incredibly scary. That is unprecedented in our lifetime, again.

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Speaker 1: Being they are actually saying out loud that the reason

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Speaker 1: is because you're saying bad stuff about me. I don't

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Speaker 1: like your coverage, I don't like you, I don't like

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. I am going to take your license away.

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Speaker 1: That obviously is not legal, but they're making a determination

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Speaker 1: of what qualifies as behavior or speech that violates FCC rules.

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Speaker 1: They are determining for themselves what it is. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: this is a get called up forever in courts. But

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Speaker 1: the point right now is it seems that a lot

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Speaker 3: Correct And so when he's now calling out these late

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Speaker 3: not potentially bonafide news networks, and so they have violated

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Speaker 3: basically the equal opportunity law by having the content they've had.

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Speaker 3: He went on to say this specifically Trump did He said,

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Speaker 3: if you go back, I guess they haven't had a

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Speaker 3: to that statement that he said, that is in that

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Speaker 3: because they're not actually bonifid.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing them actually lay out.

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Speaker 3: Their legal plan if they so choose to go after

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Speaker 1: And something we want to share with you when we

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Speaker 1: of course, that's been out there that Jimmy Kimmel said

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Speaker 1: here on Amy and TJ with Jimmy Kimmel. You know

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Speaker 1: what's gone down some new developments. President Trump is threatened

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Speaker 1: to take licenses away from other networks who don't give

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Speaker 1: him favorable coverage. The FCC chair is calling on them

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Speaker 1: to possibly take a look at the view. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of fast moving developments today. I did want to

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Speaker 1: get at what Jimmy Kimmel actually said Robes his original comment.

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Speaker 1: That's getting a lot of attention. And you know what

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Speaker 1: before I give that, let's be fair the day of

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. He did it on Instagram after the shooting,

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Speaker 1: and this was not I haven't seen it, actually reported

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Speaker 1: a whole lot. But still it should be noted that

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Speaker 1: he did have kind words for the Kirk family at

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Speaker 3: That's right, and we referenced it, but we actually have

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Speaker 3: the verbatim now, so I think it's important for you

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Speaker 3: all to listen to what he said after the shooting

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Speaker 3: on Instagram publicly and in writing, Kimmel wrote this, Instead

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Speaker 3: of the angry finger pointing, can we just for one

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Speaker 3: day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to shoot

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Speaker 3: another human on behalf of my family. We send love

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Speaker 3: to the Kirks and to all the children, parents and

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Speaker 3: innocence who fall victim to senseless gun violence.

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Speaker 1: That was correct, That was well done, well said, and appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Completely agree, right, So we does that after the shooting.

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Speaker 1: Now we go back to Monday. This was the night

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Speaker 1: that got him, for the most part, in trouble, and

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Speaker 1: the quote that got him in trouble was this one.

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Speaker 1: We hit some new lows over the weekend with the

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Speaker 1: Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered

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Speaker 1: Charlie Cook as anything other than one of them, and

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Speaker 3: That comes to him grieving Charlie Kirk. You can, you know,

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Speaker 2: Got to get him on.

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Speaker 3: But yes, there is more to come, and we will

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Speaker 3: stay on top of it. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 3: us for now. I'm Ami Robot alongside TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes. Have a great night, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thank TN