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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this episode of fish Ology, where

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Speaker 1: here Phisiology we go in depth on Marlin's players and

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Speaker 1: advanced stacks and an analytic both away. So if you

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Speaker 1: love analytics, you love advanced stats, this is the podcast

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Speaker 1: for you, and as always, I am joined by Eli

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Speaker 1: Susman Louis Ado Wise, how are you guys feeling for

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Speaker 1: this special episode on the Marlin's Best Hitter?

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Speaker 2: This is the He's the content that just keeps on giving,

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Speaker 2: Like you could just pick up this as much as

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Speaker 2: you want. This could be every episode, every couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: There's just new angles to dev into on Louis Urreyes.

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Speaker 2: He's a fascinating guy even before he came to the team,

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Speaker 2: and he's just become a more extreme version of himself

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Speaker 2: this year, in a better version of himself. So there's

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Speaker 2: a yeah, this is I'm looking forward to this very

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Speaker 2: very much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're seeing the apex of his skill

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Speaker 3: set now and nice to see that that's coming in

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Speaker 3: his first season in Miami, especially after that trade with Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, he's been a blast to watch and a

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Speaker 3: blast to cover, and I'm glad we're gonna to talk

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Speaker 3: about him tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and with the raa is you look at maybe

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Speaker 1: some of the most basic stats like batting average. He

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Speaker 1: leaves the entire MLB with that almost forty points above

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Speaker 1: the next highest, and Rondicunya with three thirty three. Arise

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Speaker 1: currently at three seventy eight. But of course in this

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Speaker 1: podcast we'd like to look at it in a more

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Speaker 1: analytical way, stat casts, advanced metrics, and he just looked

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Speaker 1: at everything encompassed with Maurissa Raiaz And probably the most

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Speaker 1: eye popping thing is when you go to his Savant page,

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Speaker 1: it's his krate k rate even one hundredth percentile, he

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Speaker 1: is number one. He is the lowest in terms of

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Speaker 1: k raid. Lewis talk to me about Arise is his

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Speaker 1: way of not getting struck out and being walked at

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Speaker 1: the one hundredth percentile in Major League Baseball, which is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it just furthers the narrative that he is

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Speaker 3: just an anomaly in today's game, because you know, his

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Speaker 3: because he's such an outlier. It's just refreshing to see

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Speaker 3: as often as he does whilst getting on basis often

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Speaker 4: And you know, he's not like I mean.

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Speaker 3: He's similar to a Tony Gwinn, who I've made several

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Speaker 3: I think what's interesting though, is he's a little bit

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Speaker 3: more disciplined than those kind of guys, whereas they were

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Speaker 3: shown that he's While the percentile rankings may not suggest

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Speaker 3: he's the best at drawing a walks, he's done a

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Speaker 3: look at his his walk to strike out ratio, and

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Speaker 3: he's walking more than he shruck out. But if you really,

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Speaker 3: you know, cross examine that, you see he's been intentionally

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Speaker 3: then if you look at his career averages, I believe

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Speaker 3: like I said, he's about one to one. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: just the fact that he doesn't hit for a lot

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Speaker 3: not it's definitely fascinating to watch a guy flirt with

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Speaker 4: But that's all I can say so far.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Eli I'll let you elaborate a little bit

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Speaker 3: more on what makes a rise so special. Just such again,

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Speaker 2: The only way you could maybe be disappointed and arise

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Speaker 2: for Venezuela three months ago when he hit two home runs.

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Speaker 2: It is he's kind of breaking the system and like

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Speaker 2: his ability to just pile up hit hit after hit

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Speaker 2: He brought it down even more so. I did pull

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Speaker 2: looking at all these individual pockets both inside the strike

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Speaker 2: often people swing and miss him compared to the other

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Speaker 1: Down the line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Russa rai Is. You mentioned him doing it

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Speaker 3: So I was talking to Eli ahead of the show

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Speaker 1: and probably the biggest one that really stands out to me,

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00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: one that maybe took the biggest leap there is his

433
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: chase rate in twenty nineteen seventy eight percentile, twenty twenty one,

434
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: eighty percentile, twenty twenty there was nothing there twenty three

435
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: and two seventy eighth, and then you go to twenty

436
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: twenty three, it's trase rate even the twenty fourth percentile.

437
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: This is such a big difference there, Lewis, Can you

438
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit more on his chase straight

439
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: and maybe what made that big jump from seventy eight

440
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: percent tile on the MLB in twenty twenty two to

441
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: now he is in the twenty fourth percentile In terms

442
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: of chasing pitches.

443
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we've talked about it earlier this year.

444
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: I mean, even his walk rate, it's not you know,

445
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 3: it's not incredible. I believe he's in about what the

446
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: twenty seventh or the thirty seventh percentile, so he's so

447
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 3: relatively below average. But for a guy who is as

448
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 3: aggressive as he is, he is walking a little bit

449
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: more this year. I mean, he obviously when he's striking

450
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: out as little as he is, he's gonna inherently walk less.

451
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: And I've never seen it before, but you know, he's

452
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: been intentionally walked five times. I've never seen a guy

453
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 3: who whose modus operandi at the plate is so not

454
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: predicated on power that pitchers just don't want to throw

455
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 3: to him and they just want a lot first base

456
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: to him because they know. And again, if you watch

457
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: highlights of his swing, regardless of where the ball is thrown,

458
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: he'll meet it with his bat and his swing doesn't

459
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: look all that different on it. As far as chasing less,

460
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: I think it's just a matter of him maybe wanting

461
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more patient. I mean we've

462
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: seen that with guys, you know, in Miami this year

463
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: of Horse, so Layer was a guy who walked a

464
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: decent amount and he, you know, while being injured a

465
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: lot last year, still walk to decent mountain. Now this

466
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: year he's kind of doing the same thing, but he's

467
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: you know, he's chasing a little bit less still more

468
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: than a rise, but you know, arise maybe just kind

469
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: of he I think when you talk about guys who

470
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 3: go to the play with a play, and there's probably

471
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: just nobody who goes to the play with the plan

472
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: better than he does. And that's gonna manifest in his

473
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 3: ability to kind of just lay off pitches that he

474
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: doesn't think, you know, he wants to stab at now

475
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: twenty fourth percentile, it makes you think he's swinging it

476
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: just about everything for the most part. You know, like

477
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: that's the lower end of the spectrum. But it kind

478
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: of it kind of just doesn't matter in that regard

479
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: because he's just you know, there's a ninety eight percent

480
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: chance that if he does swing at it, he's going

481
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: to put back to ball, and with what he's done

482
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: this year, that hasn't been an issue whatsoever. So I

483
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: mean you kind of just have to continue to let

484
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 3: him do what he does, and hope that he can

485
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: sustain about maybe eighty percent of what he's doing right now,

486
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: because he can't expect three eighty to tell, especially in

487
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: this environment to last for you know, one hundred and

488
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: fifty plus games.

489
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with Saras just doing everything there. I want

490
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: to go ahead and talk about some his other stats

491
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: here in the percentiles. One that really stands out to me.

492
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: You look at his expected on base percentage and the

493
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: eighty seven percent now to ninety five batting average expecting.

494
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you Lewis a little more

495
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: about his expecting batting average or Eli can jump in here,

496
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: just how do you see his expecting batting average and

497
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: maybe his batting average going through the course of the season.

498
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: It is something where you can relatively see him contain

499
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: this discontinued success. I mean now, as we're currently recording,

500
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: he's on the middle of a slump, but with a

501
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: rise potential when everything going on. You look at as

502
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: fan grafts, they have him run a three eighty average.

503
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: How do you guys see him in course of the

504
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: rest of the season and you look at his metrics,

505
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: is this something he can relatively keep up? Or you

506
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: see some sort of maybe decline potentially with rias.

507
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: There is a disparity between that actual batting average and

508
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: expected The actual is three seventy eight and they expected

509
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: is only three twenty six. The thing is, at a

510
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: certain point, you just look at somebody's track record, and he,

511
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: as young as he is, he has a long track

512
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: record of overperforming his expected batting average. Last year he

513
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: over performed by twenty eight points. The year before it

514
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: was like a smaller margin, is more like six points.

515
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: But overall in his career there's like this twenty something

516
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: point gap in his twenty seven point gap in his

517
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 2: career between the actual and the expected, And I think

518
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: that just goes to his very particular feel for exactly

519
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: where he wants to hit the ball. It's not only

520
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: the trajectory as I touched on, but also where physically

521
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: like the actual part of the field. John Birdie had

522
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: a really cool anecdote. I think I saw it in

523
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember exactly what article it was so

524
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: I could give credit to it. I think it was

525
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: Jesse Rogers of ESPN, just describing how in batting practice

526
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: they during a single round, which is just maybe five

527
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: swings for Arise. They have Arise purposely drives the ball

528
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 2: directly at Birdie so it could work on his shortstop defense,

529
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: and he does it in the course of five swings.

530
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: He goes five for five in terms of hitting the

531
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: ball directly at Birdie on five consecutive swings. His bad

532
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: control and is just otherworldly. And if you have that,

533
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: you are going to do a little better than expected

534
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: because these projections they just they look at the trajectory

535
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: of the ball, but not always the direction of the ball,

536
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: and can control the direction of the ball. Has shown

537
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: that he can do that. So, especially in this new

538
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: world where the defenders on the infield have limited options

539
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: in terms of where they can position themselves, I think

540
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna consistently overachieve in that area. Yeah.

541
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: Of course. One of the biggest things that maybe when

542
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: a Rise was coming here was in terms of Loan

543
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: Deeple Park and how he's playing there, lewis, how did

544
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: you see arrive and me coming to the season with

545
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: Loan Deeple Park? And now do you see it more

546
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: LDP helping him rather than maybe hurting him In terms

547
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: of just how big that outfield is and how big

548
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: the park.

549
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: Is, I mean when I think about like Target Field,

550
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: where he played in parts of his first four seasons

551
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: prior to coming over here, I start to think that, like,

552
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: you know, I think my immediate reaction, if I remember correctly,

553
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: was that I didn't think it would be that much

554
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: of a hindrance on his ability to consistently kind of

555
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: just get on base the way he does with just

556
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: his proficiency for back to ball s fields and not

557
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: striking out. You know, if your m O isn't power

558
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: and his definitely isn't that, I didn't think it was

559
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: something that was going to affect him all that much.

560
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw on the WBC when he hit

561
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: those two home runs in that Team Venezuela USA game

562
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: that you know, like, okay, is he gonna somehow buck

563
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: a trend and just like hit for more power in

564
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: Lone Debot Park, And realistically, I think we all could

565
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: have said, no, like that's just not the kind of

566
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: hitter he is. So I wasn't all that concerned. I

567
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: think if you looked at park factors between Minnesota and

568
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: Lone Depot Park in about the same span in which

569
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: a Rise was playing, I think that I would surmise

570
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: to say they're relatively similar because of the way that

571
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: target field does play. I mean, Minnesota, you know, did

572
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: emphasize a lot of pitching when that ballpark first opened

573
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: because they thought, all right, like it's kind of like

574
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: city Field, where we're just not going to allow all

575
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: too many home runs there, especially the like left handed

576
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: hitters who who like to hit the home runs to

577
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: the pull side, the way that Arise likes to pull

578
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: the ball at times, though he's shown his ability to

579
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: hit her all fields.

580
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: But again, I certainly back.

581
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: I just don't think it was something that I was

582
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: all that concerned about because I didn't think he was

583
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: gonna lose any you know, power kind of going there,

584
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: because I don't think his game is catered towards that.

585
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably just why I was just

586
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: so like, eh, I'm not all the concerned about it,

587
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: because you know, like, you know, what what he does

588
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: is so unique nowadays that it's just like I don't

589
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: really need to be concerned about anything beyond maybe the

590
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: decline and hard hit rate, and like that's like the

591
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: one thing I was concerned about. I don't know if

592
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: that's necessarily a ballpark factor rather than just you know,

593
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: I can't necessarily say age. He's twenty six, so I

594
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: don't know what it is. But you know, he he's

595
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: not known for his prodigious exit velo And I don't

596
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: think the ballpark effects that that much. I mean, with

597
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: the with the nugget that Eli just gave talking about

598
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: his ability to kind of just hit the ball to

599
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: shortstop fort like Birdie to work on his defense, you know,

600
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think the ballpark has necessarily

601
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: hurt him if he could still possess the ability to

602
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 3: do something like that. So yeah, again, it's just not

603
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: something that I was all that concerned about.

604
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: The one thing that maybe as we see a larger

605
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: sample play out that might come into play with londibo

606
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: is it could just simply be the batter's eye that

607
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: is really catered to him. The fact that his strikeout

608
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: rate is even lower at home than away, almost the

609
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: same number of played appearances, it's eleven strikeouts on the road,

610
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: only four at home. His strikeout rate at in Miami

611
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: is barely three percent. Three percent. That's for a god

612
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: that's already leading the league, you know, in the sixties

613
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: five ish percent range. The fact that gets even better

614
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: when he's playing at home. I think that's a factor that,

615
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: probably more so than the ballpark conditions, is being a

616
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: place where you can feel that you can really see

617
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: the spin of a ball out of a guy's hands.

618
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: As we touched on before, the fact that he is

619
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: so amazing against all these different pitch sides and in

620
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: fact even better against the stuff that doesn't move straight.

621
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: That maybe hints to me that he just feels that

622
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: he can see so clearly at home. Vision is such

623
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: a big part of this, right, along with coordination. They

624
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: kind of work hand in hand, seeing the ball exactly

625
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: in that really crisp way where you can pick up

626
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: the most subtle spin and anticipate where it's gonna end up,

627
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: and also of course that coordination that he has to

628
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: replicate his swing in different places. Yeah, I would do.

629
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: I would speculate. I don't even think he had to speculate.

630
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: I think he's mentioned this before that he just really

631
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: sees the ball so well at home, and that's my

632
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: game perform even better there.

633
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with the rise, I wouldn't go ahead, Lewis,

634
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I know you're prepared in your in your happy notes

635
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: that you always go in depth for us, So we

636
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: really appreciate that you had some player comparisons for him.

637
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: Maybe it could be all the way dating back before

638
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: the dead Ball era. Guys, now, just well, how do

639
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: you see Larisa Rise and maybe what are some players

640
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: that compare to his style.

641
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to, you know, it's probably already tried

642
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: at this point, but I've you know, I've made the

643
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: Tony Gwynn comparison multiple times here on the podcast, in

644
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: our private conversations, and on Twitter. If you follow me

645
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: on Twitter, you've probably seen my you know, Tony Gwynn

646
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: and Luisa Rise slash line through games played, et cetera,

647
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: et cetera, just to kind of echo the similarities that

648
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: they have. But yeah, I mean, you could just just name,

649
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Speaker 3: you know, a multitude of guys who kind of went

650
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: about it the way that he did before, you know,

651
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: Luke Gappling, Paul mollador I mentioned Rod Carew Gwynn. You

652
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: know what's funny, though, I had this kind of epiphany today.

653
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: I thought about a Rise because I make a lot

654
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: of comparisons to Tony gwyn and Luisa Rise. But the

655
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Speaker 3: one thing I don't mention is that earlier in his career,

656
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Speaker 3: and this is something that can never necessarily be said

657
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: about our eyes of both ends of the ball. Tony

658
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 3: Gwen was an excellent base runner and he was an

659
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 3: excellent defender. He won five low gloves, he stole three

660
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: inner basis. I'm not mistaken during the duration of his

661
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: twenty year career. Arise is kind of like, you know,

662
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: it's very it's it's a shame to the legacy of

663
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 3: a guy like Tony Wynn, who again a career three

664
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: thirty eight hitter. You know, the image of that a

665
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: lot of us have of him, beyond the guy that

666
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: was always getting hits, is this kind of burly, kind

667
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: of Santa Clausi and almost looking figure at the plate.

668
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: You know, heavier in his later years, not stealing bases

669
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: the way and I think about a Rise now and

670
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel like he's just like a smaller,

671
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: slender version of the later Tony gwyn minus the power,

672
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: and that he's not a.

673
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: Good base runner.

674
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: He's I believe he's negative in base runs this year.

675
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: You can find those metrics on both fan Grafts and

676
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: Baseball Reference. But you know, just again just with like

677
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: the production beyond base running and early career defense. I

678
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: think he's you know, gwen is the safest pit pick.

679
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: And even if that's not the closest thing by way

680
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: of Bill James a similarity score model which you could

681
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: find on Baseball Reference. I mean that's just the impression

682
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: I get, given what the output of what he does

683
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: is so frequently. But yeah, I the epiphany I was

684
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: having was what I just said, is like, I feel

685
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: like we're watching later career Tony Gwynn. Though that was

686
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: a Gwin that hit for a little bit more power

687
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: with a rise now because again he's not stealing basis

688
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: the defense has declimb the way the wind did. So yeah,

689
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: he he's And if you look at his similarity scores,

690
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: I mean there's the likes of Fred Tenney, Rober Roger Breshner,

691
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: hen these are guys that played before home runs became

692
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: like commonplace, and then you have guys like Gwynn.

693
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: So again he's he's he's not of this time.

694
00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 3: He's a time traveling you know, Ty Cobb clone, et cetera.

695
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: But well, yeah, I mean to sit and have comparisons

696
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 3: about a rise And I said this in a recent

697
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: podcast we did here. You know, he's kind of just

698
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: like a time capital. He's like looking at baseball the

699
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: way that it was played before we had all we

700
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: were overridden with numbers and you know.

701
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: People were listening to games on radios.

702
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 3: He is like dead ball era baseball in twenty twenty three.

703
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just all around it with the rise and

704
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: in terms of maybe how do you believe his way

705
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: of approaching it? Do you believe that can maybe even

706
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: terms I don't know, let's say that change the game

707
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: it maybe you can understand me. Do you do you

708
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: think he will be kind of I don't want to

709
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: stay a revolutionary, but someone maybe people will look at

710
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: it says, all right, if I play his way of

711
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: the game, it's maybe something different to look back, just

712
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: because he is from that kind of time period that

713
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned. Lewis all the way back then, got Tony Gwynn, Waite, Bogs,

714
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: Paul Malador, just all those guys. Do you think maybe

715
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: his way up playing do you see it more? It

716
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: could be more common in these years. Come. You don't

717
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: have to have the thirty home runs type guy. You

718
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: can be a contact hitter, get your singles hit and

719
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: still have that success.

720
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of reminds me of the conversation

721
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: in basketball over the last decade or so, is Stephen

722
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: Curry gonna inspire a new wave of players that play

723
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: like Steph? But what do you find out is that

724
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: even though it's not conventionally like all inspiring athleticism, it

725
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: is still generational talent. This talent, as I've touched on

726
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: the combination of vision and coordination, is like a lot

727
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: of that can't be taught. A lot of that is

728
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: somebody that just did get fortunate and that has obviously

729
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: put in tireless work to hone his swing. Like just

730
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: to go back to another anecdote from I think that

731
00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: same story from Jesse Rogers about him Arise taking swings

732
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: in his hotel room on the road before even going

733
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: to the ballpark that day, just refining it, refining it,

734
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: and like training his muscles to replicate the same thing.

735
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: It is kind of acheing to a basketball player, like

736
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: working tirelessly in the gym, taking shot after shot after shots,

737
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: so that when the real games happened and when the

738
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: speed of the game obviously accelerates, that they're able to

739
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: still fall back on what they've practiced so tirelessly and

740
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: performed that way. So that's yeah, that's the short answer.

741
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: He is, even though it's not like that level of

742
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: athleticism that really jumps off the screen like when you

743
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: actually watch him closely, it is every bit as special

744
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: what he's doing and as difficult to replicate if it was.

745
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: It's not as simple as people like catering their swings

746
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: and being able to run a single digit strikeout rate

747
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: at the major league level. Otherwise more people would do

748
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: it if it was like a reasonable possibility to do that.

749
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: And I think he is just pretty special in that regard,

750
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: even though he's prioritizing the old school stuff, but it

751
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: takes a certain amount of just amazing skill in order

752
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: to actually put it all together on the field like this.

753
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: He's Baseball's Haley's comment. I mean, that's that's really all

754
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: all they can be said. You know, Haley's comment comes

755
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: around every seventy five or so years. Feels like every

756
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: twenty five years, we're gonna probably get a hit or

757
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: akin to Luisa Rise or Tony Gwinn. But yeah, definitely

758
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: think we've just espouse our wax poetic on him for

759
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: the better part of forty minutes.

760
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, and before we end it. You know, we

761
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Speaker 1: like to have our own different types of Sunnis to

762
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: end the show, and this one will be pivotal plays. Eli,

763
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: you have the idea for this pivotal plays, especially coming

764
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: up with that, says says home run against Seattle the

765
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: other day, talk to me about p it'll played, especially

766
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: for Luisa Rise and maybe how underrated maybe his fielding

767
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: is compared to his hitting, which we spend most of

768
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: the pot on.

769
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: For this stat head segment granted query on on win

770
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: probability added, I think people are familiar with this is

771
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: just adjust for the context of the game when when

772
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: something happens, something that happens in a high leverage moment

773
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: in a close game in the later endings is more

774
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: impactful than something that happens early on. And just on Wednesday,

775
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: we saw this Haysu Sanchez catch. The Marlds were up

776
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: for nothing at the time, just two more outs to

777
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: get to close out the game, so their win probability

778
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: was ninety percent and he makes an amazing leaping catch.

779
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: Forget it's not well known for his defense, makes just

780
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: incredible cats who literally rob a home run and turn

781
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 2: it into a sackfly and essentially put the game away all.

782
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: The next offering. So we're gonna drive hit pretty deep

783
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: right field. Santas going back at the wall.

784
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: He lived him in the cat they beat the catch.

785
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 3: He just robs.

786
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: Wares of a grand slam here in the bottom of

787
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: the nine.

788
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 2: An unbelievable game saving crap by Hayes to Sanchez.

789
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: In right field.

790
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: Otherwise there would have been a game time grand slam

791
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: on the road against the team that's already beat you

792
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: the previous two nights. It doesn't show up on a

793
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: search like this, but when it insta head what does

794
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: is it looks at actual hits that occurred either for

795
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: the Marlins or against the Marlins this season. Just going

796
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: through them, I think people will kind of recognize them.

797
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: The ones at the top certainly will sound very familiar.

798
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: The jorheesel Lair walk off home run against the Gnats

799
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: just a few weeks ago, when the Marlins were trailing

800
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: in the game and there was two outs for them

801
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: to go from trailing to obviously winning on that particular play.

802
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: The win probability on that particular home run was a

803
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: zero point eighty six percent a WPA right there, going

804
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: from a very likely loss, super clinch the win in

805
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: just one swing, so that was a clear number one

806
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: and not that far behind. Just during this current road trip,

807
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: is that Brian de la Cruz go ahead to run

808
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: double that Again, when you go from behind late in

809
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: the game and being on the cuspuff losing to now

810
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: being in firm control of the game. That's These are

811
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: the type of plays that we're talking about. There's a

812
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: Garrett Cooper go ahead hit against the Braves when that

813
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: was the rain delay game where they were on the

814
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: verge of being swept there and after actually this may

815
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: have been like a game.

816
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

817
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: I think this was the one that put them ahead

818
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: in the top of the ninth and they end up

819
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: winning that game as well. There have been a few

820
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: of these. There was another clutch home run by Forgeshilaire

821
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: against Logan Webb. I think that may have been against

822
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 2: the Giants, was relatively game. A couple against the Marlins

823
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: as well, like Eddie Rosario against still in Floro in

824
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: a game that I think that was a tie game

825
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: in Razario, the Braids ahead for good in that one.

826
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: There was the Michael confordo again Devin Smeltzer that was

827
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: extra ending game when the Marlins ran out of viable arms,

828
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: no offense to Smeltzer and looking forward to was the

829
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: one that finally.

830
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: Broke through for the Giants.

831
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: Remember and Jake Frayley that Sandy game, Sandy had the

832
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: lead relatively in the game, and Frehley with a three

833
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: run home run there. So just looking at the numbers,

834
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: all these are like at least zero point thirty three

835
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: or higher, you know, at least a thirty three percent

836
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: swing and win probability. And this is just going back

837
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: to the Sanchez catch. At the time, at that play,

838
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: the Marlins had a ninety percent chance to win. And

839
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: if that ball goes over the wall, and if it

840
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: ties the game at four on the road against this

841
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: Mariners team, then that win probability goes from ninety percent

842
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: probably a little bit below fifty. You know, the Mariners

843
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: would have been now favored to win at that point,

844
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: given that they were batting with a chance to take

845
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: a tie game and go ahead. So the WPA of

846
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: that play, even though it doesn't show up in a

847
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: shirtch like this, I think the different between him making

848
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: that catch and the ball going over the wall is

849
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: more than forty percent. Conservatively, it's like it's in the

850
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: low forties that one play him being able to bring

851
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: that home run back and turn it into an out.

852
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: And if you put it, if you put it up

853
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: against these other plays, and it is right up there,

854
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: is right up there with that Gene Sigura hit against

855
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: Josh Hater. It is right up there with that Hoorhe

856
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: Soler home run against Logan Web And as a couple

857
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: of those plays I mentioned that went against the Marlins,

858
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: and even one from a Luisa Rise I remember that

859
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: he grounded into a double play. Let me see, was

860
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 2: that was that a losing play?

861
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember if.

862
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: That actually drove in the go ahead run. Oh that

863
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: was Yeah, that was one on the negative event where Arise.

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Speaker 2: That was the one that was a rare opportunity where

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Speaker 2: he actually let the team down in that situation hitting

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Speaker 2: into a double play when the bases were loaded, and

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Speaker 2: the Marlins ended up winning the same game. So that's

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Speaker 2: funny how it's two plays on opposite ends from the

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Speaker 2: same game show up here when Arise hit into a

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Speaker 2: double play that ruins Marlins rally and then the Marlins

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Speaker 2: end up you know, walking off that game. Anyway, a

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Speaker 2: couple the very next ending against the different relievers that

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Speaker 2: Sanchez play. This is just a long way of saying

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Speaker 2: that that was one of the more impactful individual moments

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Speaker 2: of this Marlin season for somebody in Sanchez, and when

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Speaker 2: he's been healthy this year, he's playing the best baseball

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Speaker 2: of his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just see the impact everyone there, Hilaire

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Speaker 1: to girl everyone. But that's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: this episode talking about Luis and rites. We could go

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Speaker 1: another forty four minutes, if not another forty four hours

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Speaker 1: on the league letter and hits for the Marlins and

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Speaker 1: all of Major League Baseball. But as always, if you

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Speaker 1: love Phisiology, we love advanced that analytical look on the

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Speaker 1: Marlins and how they shape up as a team individual

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