1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Derell Ewing was not your average prisoner. You have such 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: a deep connection with a lot of celebrities in the 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Detroit area. 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 2: All the time, and how does represent a city came 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: right from my neighborhood, was my friends and my family. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Growing up in the nineties and early two thousands, going 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: to prison was common for many young black men in Detroit. 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Public schools in the city were starved of resources. There 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: weren't many prospects for good jobs, so many young men 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: turned to street life or fell victim to it, and 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the music coming out of Detroit at 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: the time was about this. A childhood friend of Durell's 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: is now a famous rapper. He goes by forty two 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: Doug and has a song called It Gets Deeper about 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: the life they grew up in. In the song, he 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: gives a shout out to Durell, who he calls Apple, 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: saying free app But unlike many of their other friends 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: who ended up going to prison, they always believed in 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: your innocence. 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: They always believed in my innocence. Did look Eezy vezz 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: All of them have always ice Wear has always champion 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 2: and kept my name alive. 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: And you know as soon as I went to jail. 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: May always wrapped about me and my stories Alive put 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: me on their album covers Some of Everything. 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: At the twenty twenty be Et Awards forty two, Doug 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: and Little Baby performed their opening ceremony with matching outfits. 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: They had the names of their friends in prison written 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: in graffiti all over. Derrell's name was on there too. 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: Oh that was that was lit. 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: The whole jail went crazy when they seen him come 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: out with that on him and Little Baby and they 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: talked about that on the yard for a whole month straight. 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: I got letters from all type of other facilities talking 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: about that. 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: On the back of their jackets it said free them boys. 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: My name is Darrel. You and a lot of people 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: caught me miss the beat thighs. 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: I did fourteen years, two months and fourteen days for 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: crime out didn't commit. 41 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: From love of for good. This is wrongful conviction with 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: Maggie Freeling today. Deroute Ewing Darote Ewing was born in Detroit, Michigan, 43 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: November eighteenth, nineteen eighty eight. He's the second child of four. 44 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: Say it is the baby and that's my ride to die. 45 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: My oldest sister is Donald Angela Dawson. We call her Pooh. 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: And my middle sister that's right under me is Tiara Dowson. 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: That's my ace. Growing up with all three of them, 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 2: they was my protectors, nah though, but it was love 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: and I always took care of them and everything was 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: It was actually amazing. Having three sisters taught me to 51 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: love more, taught me to be patient, more, carme on women. 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: And among those women was his mom, Lasanya Dodson, a 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: single parent raising three kids. 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: My mama always provided for us. We didn't need eat anything, 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: We didn't lack anything. 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: You know. She was truly amazing woman. A hustler. 57 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: Darrell says his mom worked many jobs. How did she 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: have time to do all that and raise you guys? 59 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, my sister or my Auntie Cheriss, Auntie Reill step in. 60 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: My mom took care of all her sister because all 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: her sisters was younger than her. 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 63 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Sonya Dodson is a saint. Let's just put 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: that on the record. 65 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 66 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: She did a rocket a family. She did glue with. 67 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: She didn't want to hells it all together. 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: We Sonya remembers one day when she was working at Hurts. 69 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: That day was way at the airport. We lived on 70 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 4: the east side of Detroit, so that's about thirty miles right. 71 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 4: So I'm like, dang, I ain't got no gas in 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 4: my car and I got to go to work tomorrow. Well, 73 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: Dereal gets his lawn more he go cut grass, he'd 74 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: come back. He say, man, I bought the full up 75 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: your car. I got gas money, full up your car, 76 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: and I also bought you a corn beef sandwich at 77 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: a Pepsi for your lunch. Warm my heart so much 78 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: because he's always been. 79 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: Caring, caring, thoughtful and intelligent. Massanya says, Dereal was so 80 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: smart as a young man. That's how he got his 81 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: nickname Apple for his big brain and head and has. 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: Always had his head and always have seen eating apples 83 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: and everything. And one of my friends started calling me 84 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: and my peoples to my family and them all started calling. 85 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: Me that Lasnia tried to teach your kids about work 86 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: ethic from a young age. 87 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: I gave them money for Christmas to let them buy 88 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 4: their own stuff, because kids got an unrealistic attitude on 89 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: how much stuff costs. So I said, you know what, 90 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: I got five hundred dollars to give you. That's all 91 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: I got, so if you could bat Jordans out of 92 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 4: the five hundred, that's what you do. So I remember 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: him going to the mall and coming back and he like, 94 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 4: well about by the Jordans, they one hundred and seventy, 95 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: and I'm only gonna have this much left. So you 96 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 4: start learning about money and everything, and just always he's 97 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: been so intelligent. And then he started coming back and like, 98 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 4: hey man, just take care of the kids. I'm like, 99 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 4: you are not the father, young man. 100 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: My mama always provided for us. We didn't need anything, 101 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: we didn't lack anything. 102 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: You know. She was truly amazing woman. 103 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: A hustler for real, for real, the first hustler that 104 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: I ever knew made me become a hustle boy. 105 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: My entrepreneur where he got it all at them. He 106 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: metimes ten. 107 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: When I was cutting grass, selling dinners, doing all types 108 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: of different things to make some money, because I always 109 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: seen my mama hustle when he got ten different things 110 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: going on. 111 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 4: He always had that drive, that drive to want something, 112 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 4: even as a boy. 113 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 5: He did. 114 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: When he was a teen, Durrell and his friend started 115 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: a party promotion crew called the Hustle Boys. 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: I was like fourteen, fifteen start throwing parties. We used 117 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: to have everyone you know from the city coming to 118 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: aut to our events, and it used to make a 119 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: lot of money, making money and having fun. 120 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: It was like a whole new hustle. I loved it. 121 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: Were you doing any criminal activity. 122 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: No, we weren't doing at that time. We weren't doing 123 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: no criminal attitty. We was just having fun. 124 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: So no drugs, no guns, nothing like that. 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: I didn't start. I wasn't doing no drugs, none of that. Now, nope, 126 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: I wonder doing any of that. None of my friends 127 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: either then at that time wasn't doing drugs and none 128 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: of that. 129 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: Because actually we was all from It was. 130 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: Actually a nice, you know, uh, middle class neighborhood that 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: I was from. 132 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: My best friends that daddy was a cop, the. 133 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: Other ones it's daddy was a preacher. 134 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: Everyone parents was doing something in the neighborhood. 135 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: In fact, the parents helped out. 136 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: When it started, it was high school kids and people 137 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: was bringing their kids out. Kids wanted to get out 138 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 4: and parents let them go on the weekend. So they 139 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: rented little halls and they learned how to do it theyself. 140 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: So we kind of monitored them and would work the 141 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: door and make sure they was okay. I would be 142 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: up there. Yeah. 143 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: They started having my mind working the dose and parents 144 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: for actually he collecting the money for me and everything. 145 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: You know. 146 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: I watched them make so much money so fast. Social 147 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 4: media made a travel fast like they had MySpace back then. 148 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: So who were the knockout boys? 149 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 5: Were? 150 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: They also like a party promotion? 151 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: Well, we were supreme in a party promotion. But they 152 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: tried to do a little something they was doing. They 153 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: had a little parties going, but they used to come 154 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: to our events. We was really the ones. It was 155 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: a party promoters. They was just they had their little 156 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: dancing group and they would come to our parties or 157 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: stuff like that. 158 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like a far cry from like a 159 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: violent gang. They had a dancing group. 160 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: Far cry. 161 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm picturing the Dance Off and Step Up one of 162 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: the many movies about dance crews that came out around 163 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: this time. 164 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: Because that's what a lot of people used to do 165 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: back in our time. 166 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: It wasn't though they would get together in that jit 167 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: you know, Bisco tick all that type of stuff. 168 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: Hip roll we was back in our era. It was 169 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: hip rolling. 170 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: That was Derell's crew in his early teens, kids partying 171 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: and hustling. 172 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: Detroit always had a history of cruise to come together 173 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: and just get money. They don't have no affiliation, association 174 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: of gang science, none of that. Did they do, no handshakes, 175 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: none of that. 176 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: You know. 177 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Derell says. It was all pretty harmless. But things were 178 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: about to change. Durell graduated high school early and enrolled 179 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: in Wayne State. 180 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: I didn't qualify for fininancial aid. 181 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 2: And then I had an auntie who I seen had 182 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: three degrees and she wasn't doing too good, and she 183 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: got to stay in school to continue to make sure 184 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: that she don't have to pay the student loans back. 185 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: Derel says he was making a ton of money with 186 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: the parties, so. 187 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: I just said, now it's not the time. 188 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 2: You know, I ain't gonna be buried in debt, and 189 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: it ain't gonna be like my auntie who ain't using 190 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: her degrees. 191 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: You know, go ahead and got through with school. It's 192 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 4: kind of hard to kill a kid what they can 193 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 4: and cannot do. 194 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: So Drell dropped out of Wayne State and continued the 195 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Hustle Boys. 196 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: But at that time we was done with party and 197 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: we were just straight selling drugs. 198 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: Drell says, the once innocent party crew was now selling pills. 199 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: OSSI cottins and purpose says lord tabs and things to understand. 200 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I was living in the 201 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: height of my life as far in the streets, and 202 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: we was making a lot of money. I seen myself 203 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: still at that time transitioning over to the business. I 204 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: was using those that as a means to get in 205 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: the proper position to give me some properties and open me. 206 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: Up my own club. I was on the path to 207 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: buy me at bar. 208 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: But through street life, Derell eventually got to hanging out 209 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: with the wrong people and soon all his dreams were 210 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: going to come crashing down. On December tw ninth, two 211 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, two cars pulled up to an intersection 212 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: in East Detroit. A man named JB. Watson was in 213 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: a red van with three other passengers. In the other vehicle, 214 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: a turquoise car, were three men. One of the men 215 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: got out of the car when stopped and fired multiple 216 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: shots at the van, killing JB. Watson and injuring his cousin. 217 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: Around the same time, about five miles away, Derell Ewing 218 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: was at a family member's funeral was that something you 219 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: had heard about? 220 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: Of course I heard about the murder. It was all 221 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: on the news and everything. 222 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: And what did you think, was that just normal? 223 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: Or in a city Detroit, especially at that time, crayon 224 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: runs rapping, and you know, when some way get killed, 225 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: it is like okay, you know, it's like it's a norm, 226 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: especially back then. 227 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: Detroit had three hundred and sixty four homicides in two 228 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, according to city data. At the time, 229 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: the murder rate was actually falling in major cities like Chicago, 230 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: New York, and LA but not in Detroit, and the 231 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: chief of police called it the Wild West. 232 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: It kind of man going because like when you have 233 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: like a nifty hustle or prince died, the whole world 234 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: and the whole neighborhood crimes, but when a little girl 235 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: get killed down the street, nobody says nothing about it, 236 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 237 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: So that's how numb. 238 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: We is to crime in the city of Detroit, especially 239 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: back then when murders and stuff occurred, because it was 240 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: just like a. 241 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: Norm. 242 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: The victim, JB. Watson, was a member of the Knockout Boys. 243 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: Remember Durell mentioned they were another party crew like the 244 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: hustle boys. But now police were looking at this as 245 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: a gang rivalry, and Darrell's name came up. 246 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 3: Being a hustle boy. 247 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: I was basically the face you know how they say 248 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: Diddy used to run around and parade Severn rounds for 249 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: Big A and M. 250 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: I was the face of hustle boys, the one. 251 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 2: Who was always on the mic hey, come on out, 252 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: the one who was always passing flyers. So anytime somebody 253 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: said something about the hustle boys, they always say app 254 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: in the twins. 255 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: So eventually that's how my name came up. 256 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: After the shooting, a witness came forward, Raymond Love, who 257 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: was at the intersection in his car with his wife 258 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: at the time of the shooting. Although the incident was 259 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: only a few seconds, and Love said he ducked down 260 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: towards his wife. He identified Dareco Cerce as the driver 261 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: of the turquoise car. He said he could see him 262 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: through the rear view mirror. Did you know dia Rico Cearce? 263 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: Yes? I knew Derico Cerce. He was an older guy 264 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: from our neighborhood. 265 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: Dareco Cerce was arrested two days later. Love also identified 266 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Darrell as the man who got out of the car 267 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: and started shooting. Durrell was brought in for questioning. 268 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: When they questioned me, they you know if they told 269 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: me huh, he said, I know he didn't do it, 270 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: but you don't say who did it. 271 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do everything more power to make sure you 272 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: go down for it. 273 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: And then what did you do? 274 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: I said? 275 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: He called my lawyer and he was like, I promise 276 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 2: you gonna need him. And ever since then, I thought 277 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: when they take me back to the sale that they 278 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: was going to just be a little seventy two hour 279 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: hold and I'll be released. But then nat morning it 280 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: was waking me up talking about Hey, you going down 281 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: to the county. 282 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, what, Yeah, You're getting booked on murdered. I'm like, man, 283 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: this can't be rial. 284 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: They joking, you know, I know Ashton cushiering, I'm about 285 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 2: to jump out to my punk. 286 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: But he wasn't being punked. Ashton Kutcher wasn't waiting in 287 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: the precinct and Darrell was charged with the murder of JB. Watson. 288 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: When did it all become real that it was happening. 289 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: When I was in the courtroom and people walked in 290 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: the Ring and Love and Jenday Love and they talked 291 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: about it was me. 292 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 3: That was when it was came real. 293 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: I almost lost my mind, telling them look at me, 294 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: hold on, look at me, and just like hold on. 295 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: Be quiet, and they can't be talking about me. 296 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: Derell went to trial almost a year later, in October 297 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: twenty ten. He and Direco Cercy were tried together by 298 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: Assistant Prosecuting Attorney camp Town. No gun was ever recovered 299 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: from the crime scene. The only evidence tying Derell to 300 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: the crime was the eyewitness testimony of Raymond Love. He 301 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: testified that inside the Turqoids vehicle he'd seen Direco Cerce 302 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: driving and two other men. Love said once at the intersection, 303 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: Drell got out of the vehicle with a handgun, approached 304 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: the van and started firing at the rear. It's unclear 305 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: if they tried to find the third man allegedly in 306 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: the vehicle. Camp Town said this was a gang retaliation, 307 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: that the Hustle Boys had beef with the Knockout Boys. 308 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: Would a beef with the Knockout Boys wind up in 309 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: a murder, in a shooting, It. 310 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: Wasn't a beef. Seat they get this case all twisted. 311 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: It's only the pain and narrative and help paint a 312 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: theory to sell it to the jury. 313 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: To be clear, federal court records cites some kind of 314 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: beef going on between the Hustle Boys and the Knockout Boys. However, 315 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: no one ever testified that Darrell had anything to do 316 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: with those fights. Darrell also says he had no idea 317 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: who JB. Watson was. 318 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: Nah, I knew of some KOB members, but I didn't 319 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: know this guy. I never had an issue with this guy. 320 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: I never had an issue with none of the KOB members. 321 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: I've never been in the same room with him. When 322 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: he said his name, I'm like, wow, I don't even know. 323 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: You know, Durell sat through an entire trial listening to 324 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: testimony about him being in a gang and beefing with 325 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: the Knockout Boys. 326 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 4: When you're a black young man, especially black people, but 327 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: black young men especially anything they do dance groups, singing groups, 328 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: you could end up being a gang. 329 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: Mom, La Sonya. 330 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: Again, when they stormed the White House, they called them 331 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: a group, but they called my son a gang. And 332 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: it's the burbigeh that they use when they speak on you. 333 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: You know, La Sonya knew her son couldn't have committed 334 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: this murder. She was with him at the time of 335 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: the killing and testified in Durrell's defense. How many people 336 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: vouched for your alibi? 337 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: Man? 338 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: I could have called two three hundred people and said there, 339 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: you know, their own witnesses placed me at the hall 340 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: we called sis and I believe five or six five 341 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: or sits five five. 342 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: They all said Durell had been at Bardon Hall for 343 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: a gathering following a family member's funeral. He was there 344 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: the entire time the shooting had taken place. Then a bombshell, 345 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: a man took the stand saying it really hadn't been Durrell, 346 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: and he knew who the real shooter was because he 347 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Christopher Richardson was there. 348 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: Christopher Richardson when William Bill and Tyree. 349 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: Washington, they had gone on a carjacking spree. 350 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: When they all got locked up, they started to tell 351 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: on each other and they wind up that William Bill's cousin, 352 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 2: and Christopher Richardson said, hey, man, y'all got the wrong 353 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: people locked up Darrell Ewing and Derico ser She didn't 354 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: commit that crime. My Cody Finish and cousin is actually 355 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: wants to responsible William Bill and Tyree Washington. 356 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: Richardson said Tyree Washington had been the shooter. And the 357 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: thing about Richardson is that he was also a trusted 358 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: confidential informant for the FBI. He had testified in front 359 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: of four federal grand juries before, so the FBI trusted 360 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: him and brought this testimony to Assistant prosecuting Attorney Cam Towns. 361 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: They tried to tell her she was getting it wrong. 362 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: Tyree Washington was even willing to come to trial and testify, and. 363 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: It turns out that Cam Towns had told him that 364 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: she didn't need him and that she was want to 365 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: use him, and if she had, she wanted You know, 366 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: when they locked in on their position, they hate the 367 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: admit that they screwed up, so they kept pressing in 368 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: the gas and I guess they wanted to just play 369 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: out in the courtroom because it's not about guilt or innocence, 370 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: you know, they just be trying to close the case. 371 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: Tyree Washington did not testify a trial, but the FBI 372 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: agents and Christopher Richardson were allowed to share their testimony, 373 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: all saying Darrell and do Rico had not been the 374 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: ones who killed JB. Watson. By the end of trial, 375 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: the prosecution's case seemed in shambles. Darrell Ewing had an alibi, 376 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: there was no physical evidence linking him to the crime, 377 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: and the jury was aware that someone else had confessed. 378 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: Drellte was feeling pretty good about the outcome. 379 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: We had the federal agents coming to testify, and they 380 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: bringing their top performer, Christopher Wich. Jennalo was telling on 381 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: his own cousin. So when you got that, I mean, 382 00:18:59,160 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: I'm secure. 383 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: During deliberation, the jury was deadlocked when they returned. Instead 384 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: of ordering a mistrial, the trial judge Carol Youngblood responded 385 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: by ordering them to continue deliberating. When the jury came back, 386 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: Durell was convicted a first degree murder and later sentenced 387 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: to life in prison without parole. La Sonya was heartbroken. 388 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 4: Oh god, it was so horrifying. I mean, my body 389 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 4: took a hole, like I went into my minstrel stopped 390 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 4: when they convicted him. Like literally, how old were you? 391 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 4: I was forty four, and I was so sick, Like 392 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 4: it really really really took a hole on us, like 393 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 4: it was very high. They almost had to drag us 394 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 4: out of the out of the courthouse because we were 395 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 4: just we couldn't believe it. 396 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: Durrell felt it too, but didn't have much time to wallow. 397 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: Very soon after trial, another bombshell would drop. As soon 398 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: as Derell got to prison, he started trying to prove 399 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: his innocence. When you go out to prison, as you know, 400 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: twenty two years old, why didn't you just start hustling 401 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: in there, dealing drugs in there? And maybe you did. 402 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: You don't just say so, but you did more than that. 403 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: You didn't just say prison is now my life. 404 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 2: You know, when you embrace to start to hustle in 405 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: prison and everything, it's certain things to come with that, 406 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: and it's a certain focus that it keep you distracted. 407 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: I know a lot of gas that hustle inside of prison, 408 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 2: but they'd be consumed with that because that's a daily 409 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: thing that you can have to focus on, you know, 410 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: and it doesn't give you time to focus on your case. 411 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: Everybody that I ever knew that ever get out of prison, 412 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: they were extremely dedicated to nothing but their case. 413 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: And that's what I was on. 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: So I was always I spent all my time in 415 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: the law library and reading law books. 416 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: Darrell actually learned the laws so well he started practicing law. 417 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: Not only do I fight for me, I fight for others, 418 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: and you know I fight for others on behalf of others. 419 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: Darrell became a paralegal in prison, helping others file legal 420 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: documents and fight their cases for free. 421 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: Everyone that I have got out recently, I didn't give 422 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: charge of a dollar in their home. 423 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: Now, Derell was also trying to get himself home, and 424 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: he had a lot to work with in terms of 425 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: trying to prove his innocence. After trial, two specific things happened. 426 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Tyree Washington, who the FBI and FORMAT pointed to, formally confessed. 427 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: He told the Michigan State Police undermandarized confession that he 428 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: was responsible. 429 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Years later, Tyree Washington would also talk to private investigator 430 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: Scott Lewis, and I got a hold of that recording. 431 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 3: We just asked you some questions. We'll get right down to. 432 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the December twenty ninth, 433 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, fatal shooting of JB. 434 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: Watson. Are you familiar with that incident? 435 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: Yes, I am. 436 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: What do you know about it? 437 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 5: Well, I know everything about it was I was there 438 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 5: and I actually was the shooter. 439 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: Of that answer Okay, where did this take place? 440 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 5: All van Dykin Harper. 441 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: The second thing that happened was a juror came forward. 442 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: Kathleen Barnes was great, the most amazing woman I ever seen, 443 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: came forward and told the truth. 444 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: Kathleen Burns said that she was the holdout for a 445 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: not guilty verdict, but she changed her mind after two 446 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: jurors came up with extra information. One of the jurors, 447 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: Karen James, had googled about gangs and gang hierarchy. 448 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: She valeted the court orders, the court orders you put 449 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: when you are the jurors every time to not to 450 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: consider anything outside this corporal you go home, don't talk 451 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: about this even with your husband. 452 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: Please don't look on anything social media and that about 453 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: the case. 454 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: But Karen James did. She found articles about gangs having 455 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: a pecking order, and she told the other jurors she 456 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: believed Durell was at the top. She surmised that Tyree 457 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: Washington was at the bottom, so the Hustle boys sacrificed 458 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: him instead of Durell. They set up Tyree for the murder. 459 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: That wasn't even the prosecuted theory. Let's make that clear. 460 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: This is something that the juror summarized in her mad 461 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: Karen James, another black woman, hurt me. 462 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 3: I'm like wow. 463 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: Another juror, Michelle Chesney, found Drell's Facebook and on it 464 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: there were photos of him with guns. 465 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: One day, it was my man home girl birthday and 466 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: she came over and we had a few guns out, 467 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, let's take some pictures with these guns. 468 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: And we took some pictures with them guns that she 469 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: put on our social media. And from that the juries testified. 470 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: This ain't my words. This was testified on oath that 471 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: they said, hey, if he didn't do this, he did 472 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: something else just because I had a gun. But that's 473 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: just because I'm a black man, a black young guy 474 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: with a gun. Because if you see a Caucasian man 475 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: with a gun, especially the ones we had, you're gonna 476 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: say he doing hunting, you know what I mean. 477 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: All this information made Kathleen Burns change her vote to guilty. 478 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: Years later, in an evidentiary hearing in twenty nineteen, she 479 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: testified that this trial haunted her, that she kept wondering 480 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: if she'd done something terribly wrong. Once the jury misconduct 481 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: came to light, Darrell was able to file post conviction relief. Meanwhile, 482 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: out on the streets, Lasaanya and Derell's family were also 483 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: putting in the work. 484 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 4: We wouldn't stop protesting and making the ways and making 485 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: sure that we did everything we possibly could do to 486 00:24:59,119 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: get him out of there. 487 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: Man. 488 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: My family, then petitions, my family, and then protests. 489 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: Is my family that did town halls? They did? They 490 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: didn't done something. Everything they have it. 491 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: One time we was applotting to strategizing to do a 492 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: protest in front of kim Worthy's house. 493 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: Kim Worthy is the prosecutor in Wayne County, which covers Detroit, Lasnia. 494 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: Says she wasn't going to let the system treat another 495 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: young black man as disposable. 496 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 4: When you throw somebody away and nobody ever say nothing 497 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 4: out of sight, out of mind, you know, you kind 498 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: of don't worry. But if you keep seeing us on 499 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: social media, you're seeing us on the news, that's different. 500 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: We knew he didn't do it. So when we knew 501 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: he didn't do it, there's no way. The love that 502 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: we have for him and the love that we have 503 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 4: as a family, this is what I think people supposed 504 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: to do. You know, I didn't see it no other 505 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 4: way until a young man told me that he was 506 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 4: locked up for eight years and it took his mother 507 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 4: two years to send him some pictures. He said, you 508 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 4: don't even know what you did. He said, my mom 509 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 4: took two years just to send me a couple of pictures. 510 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: And I kept asking for him and it took her 511 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 4: two years to get him to me. 512 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: But Lasnya wasn't that mom. She stuck with Durell, and 513 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: in true hustler fashion, she even started a transportation business. 514 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 4: Man, I've been doing everything like I am. I we 515 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 4: started a transportation company. When Drell was in prison. He 516 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: started calling me to about mine. Some such Grandma want 517 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 4: to ride with you, some such want to ride with you. 518 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 4: I'm like, shoot, we finished out a transportation company and 519 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 4: get a vans and come up there. So then he 520 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: would do work that in the inside and we'd come 521 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: up there and pick up people. And we called the 522 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 4: Stay Connected Transportation. So really we just made the best 523 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 4: out of a bad situation. 524 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: That support meant everything to Durell. 525 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: It kept me fighting. 526 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: You know me, when you know you got a support system, 527 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: I gotta be strong for them and they strong for me. 528 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: It was a battery in my bed. 529 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: One of those times was in twenty thirteen, the Court 530 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: of Appeals upheld his conviction, saying the jury misconduct was 531 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: quote harmless error. But since then, multiple federal and state 532 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: judges ordered a new trial for Durell and de Rico, 533 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: finding that their constitutional right to a fair trial was 534 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: indeed violated by juror misconduct. In twenty seventeen, a judge 535 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: struck down the murder conviction and ordered release or a 536 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: new trial within ninety days. But despite the order, Durell 537 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: stayed in prison, and then the pandemic hit. When I 538 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: first spoke to Durell in twenty twenty, he had actually 539 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: just recovered from the illness. How long were you sick for? 540 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 3: I was thankful about thirty three days, Oh my gosh. 541 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 5: And then I couldn't nail the taste even half of 542 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 5: that and fealed to it. I feel got like plammed 543 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 5: to be in. 544 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 3: My system and my launs. 545 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 5: I'll be trying to go out and run and work 546 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 5: out and keep myself have a job. But it's just 547 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 5: all type of aspects of this COVID thing. And in 548 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 5: Michigan they had yet to release any prisoners. 549 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: Lake Lynd was one of the worst prisons in Michigan, 550 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: where at least twenty four prisoners died from COVID, but 551 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: Darrell would eventually get a break. After years of fighting, 552 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: he got a retrial date set for March twenty twenty four. 553 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 5: Howell. 554 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: On December one, twenty twenty three, thirty five year old 555 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Durell Ewing went in front of Judge Keefer Cox for 556 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: emotions hearing. Durell stood in the courtroom in his green 557 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: jailhouse uniform, representing himself with some help from outside council, 558 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: and Derell went for it, even criticizing the judge for 559 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: having just come out of a job at the Wayne 560 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office. 561 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 6: But the thing is run, the thing is, and respectfully, 562 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 6: I just learned that you just came out to prosecuted 563 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 6: office a couple of months ago, and did your friends 564 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 6: with Ken Wordy and did your friends with John watch 565 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 6: the toll? So how are you even sitting on my case? 566 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: I just learned this, drun. How are you even that's actual? 567 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 3: White? 568 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: The press, friends and family were in the audience. 569 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 6: Did you remove yourself from this case because you this 570 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 6: is a fact. Anyone in the crowd here's the mumbling 571 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 6: and hearing some speaking in the background. 572 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 4: The scariest thing I ever seen. I was just so scared, 573 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: so nervous. I didn't even know what I was going 574 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 4: to do if they wouldn't have got this right. But 575 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: you know, as I watched him, like he did such 576 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 4: an awesome job. We almost give him standing ovations, and 577 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: it was it was something to see, like you had 578 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 4: to be there. 579 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: As Durell prepared for his retrial, District Attorney Kim Worthy's 580 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: office was confronted with several challenges. Not only did they 581 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: have to account for jury misconduct, they also did not 582 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: provide Durell with evidence he'd requested for over a year, 583 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: and they were short on witnesses. 584 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: Because by this time, Raymond Love he got to be 585 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: at home somewhere like, hey man, I don't want nothing 586 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: to do with that case. This case is everywhere don 587 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: and got this innocent man locked up. He didne finally 588 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: came to the realization. 589 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: And that was one of their key That was their 590 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: key witness. 591 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 3: That's their key witness. 592 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: On March twenty fifth, twenty four, after considering Durell's case 593 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that the police and prosecution still had 594 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: not made their evidence available to Durell. Judge Cox made 595 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: a decision just miss the case. 596 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: This is egregious due process violation. So for. 597 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: All the reasons, plays down the records have dismissed the cases. 598 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: Don't time to keep it under control. 599 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 4: If there's gonna be an outburst taken in a hallway leave. 600 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: Derell's family and friends tried to contain their emotion, but 601 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: after years of fighting, when the courtroom doors opened, you 602 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: heard the sound of relief. That day Darrell walked out 603 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: of Wayne County Jail a freeman. 604 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: I just feel like since he came home, I almost 605 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 4: have relaxed. Finally. I used to start at eight o'clock 606 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 4: in the morning. I don't want to do eight no more. 607 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 4: Like I'm like, oh God, can we do ting? You know? 608 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: Today Lasagnya is surrounded by her entire family and owns 609 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: her own beauty salon. But a decade ago she lost 610 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: her home, her four one K and the good years 611 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: of her life advocating for her son's innocence. 612 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 4: It was a lot. It's a lot to go through. 613 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: But you know, I tell him all the time, only 614 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 4: the strong subbab. 615 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: And Darrell takes none of it. 616 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: For granted, I was one of the blessed ones. 617 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people in prison that need help 618 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: and don't have little ones that support them. But the 619 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: difference is when you do TECH, when you do time 620 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: for a crime that not only you know you didn't do, 621 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: your family you know you didn't do They're always going 622 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: to be behind. 623 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: You one hundred percent, you know. 624 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: So what's next? 625 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: Well, right now I'm working to put into the appeal 626 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: that they just filed. 627 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: DA kim Worthy is appealing Judge Cox's decision. If she 628 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: wins jury will have to go to trial, but he 629 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: says he's not worried. He thinks the evidence in her 630 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: case is too weak. And on the flip side, if. 631 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: Kim Worthy Lewis's appeal is over and I'm a suit 632 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: of shit out or ass. 633 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: Does kim Worthy have the power to not fight this? 634 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: Does she have the power to say it's over? 635 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: Of course she do. 636 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: She decided this moment's enough, We're gonna dismiss the appeal 637 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: and let this be got back one. But at the 638 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: end of the day, they got they thinking dollars now 639 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: over justice. They got forty people that just got desonerated. 640 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: One wrongfully convicted man was recently awarded ten million dollars 641 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: in damages. 642 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: You know they think in money now in bankruptcy. 643 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: Darrell says he wants people to understand that public officials 644 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: like Da kim Worthy are elected. 645 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: We as a people only get involved in the elections, 646 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: in the voting process when it's a national thing. We 647 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: in a frenzy about Donald Trump, but we don't deal 648 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 2: with the real people that directly affect us locally. Be 649 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: intentional on who you vote for and put in not 650 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: only a seats of power in a presidential but you 651 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: a local prosecutor and judges seeks. Because we be crying 652 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: about injustice, but we put these judges in there who 653 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 2: don't get a damn about the law. 654 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: Since he's been out, Durrell re enrolled in Wayne State 655 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: with a full scholarship to study law man. 656 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 4: When his first day down in law school, we all 657 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 4: followed him down there. I said, we're gonna get him 658 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 4: kicked out on his first day. We taking pictures, We 659 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: got camera crews with us. We like so excited about 660 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 4: everything that he do, Like the whole family is excited. 661 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 4: And that's a beautiful thing because this is like our moment, 662 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 4: our happy time that we waited on, that we didn't 663 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 4: see it was we was in the dark and now 664 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: it's just light and we're just happy. We want to 665 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 4: see everything evolved. 666 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: And she says she is always grateful to the woman 667 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: who had the courage to come forward and make this 668 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: all possible. 669 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 4: Kathleen Burns had a heart to speak up, and a 670 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 4: couple of times when she spoke, she said, I just 671 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 4: hope he makes his mother is proud as she thinks 672 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 4: he is. And I'm like, oh he is. And every 673 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 4: time he doing something I'll get today, I just be like, 674 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 4: I hope she watching them. 675 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: Not only is Durrell in law school, but he's working 676 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: in the community doing outreach. 677 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 2: I work hand in hand with our mayor and police 678 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 2: chief out here intervening in community violence, keeping the. 679 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 3: Crime right down daily, winning schools. 680 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: Were going there, We do mentoring, were working with the 681 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: Turnative School right now, real heavy. These are the most 682 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 2: risks and trouble making kids, you know, but when we 683 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: get in there, all they need is love and attention. 684 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 5: You know. 685 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: Some of these parents are struggling, don't have no job, 686 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 2: on welfare, struggling to make it. 687 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 3: Some of them kids don't have no food. 688 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 2: We got to turn around and get them money to 689 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: go home and get them get their mother and them 690 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 2: fell theirfrigerators up, you know, just being there any way 691 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: we can, showing offering them resources. 692 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 3: That's what I spend my time doing. I ain't in 693 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 3: school working on a case. 694 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: He also spends time catching up with the family that 695 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: was there for him for nearly fifteen years. 696 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 4: We just love just getting together. I could just have 697 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 4: him here at the house, like seeing him with my 698 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 4: grandkids now and just they love him to death. We 699 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 4: love him like we loved him, and he love us. 700 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: Do you hope that Drell gives you some. 701 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 4: Man, I'm waiting on my little grandson coming to look. 702 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 4: I just keep seeing Grasslam. But I take a granddaughter too. 703 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: But Drell says he's got time first, more hustle. 704 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: You know. 705 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: I got a book coming out of the real stuff, 706 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 2: and the most saying I'm working on my documentary. 707 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 3: Be on the lookout for it. I got work. 708 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to ask you about the book. 709 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: I have a copy that you sent me years ago. 710 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Is there more to it now? 711 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 3: Oh? I didn't reassed and re edited. I'm gonna send 712 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 3: it to you. 713 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: Well when you're super famous. I now have an original manuscripts. 714 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got the original manuscript. 715 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: That's Darrell the whole time I've known him, always on 716 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: the move, an array of light even in his darkest times. 717 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freelink. 718 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: Please support your local innocence organizations and go to the 719 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: links on our website to see how you can help. 720 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: Thank you to Attorney Adam Clements at Perkins lawg Group 721 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: for helping with legal review. And thank you to the 722 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: reporting of Diane Bukowski for Voice of Detroit. 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