1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: day Impure normal podcast network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of I 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a Out, 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. Hi, I'm 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. As I 15 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: talked to you right now, I literally have five wild 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: turkeys outside in my yard eating the scraps from the 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: bird feeders. Now, they sure are funny And why is 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: this appropriate to the afterlife conversation? Well, I think the 19 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: whole point of believing in the afterlife, besides knowing that 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: our loved ones live on that we will see them again. 21 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Is that we realize that our life is for a purpose. 22 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: And I have found that I'm able to slow down 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: and pay attention to the miracles in life now, not 24 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: all the time. Albert Einstein once said, we could look 25 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: at life as if everything is a miracle or nothing 26 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: is a miracle. And so when we realize that we 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: are living in these energy vehicles called our bodies that 28 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: are self sustaining, we don't need to plug them in. 29 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: We just need to add a little food, a little water, 30 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: maybe a little sunlight, and we can survive for a 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: great many years. I mean, that's miraculous. And then when 32 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: you think about where we came from, when our parents 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: first came together, and of voila, the big bang, so 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: to speak, and here we are with so much intelligence. 35 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: And then you think about things like the never ending universe, 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: and you think about on a quantum level, that we 37 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: are all made up of vibrating energy, and that energy 38 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: can live in the same place as another form of energy. 39 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: So yeah, around all of us, we may have GPS 40 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: signals and wireless internet signals, and our television signals and 41 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: radio signals and so many other things. Your microwave of 42 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: and is on. Well, there's microwave energy floating around the afterlife. 43 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: The hereafter is another form of an energy living in 44 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: our same space. Now, we think that the afterlife is 45 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: somewhere out there, but I actually think we are part 46 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: of it, our brains, our minds, living here on Earth. 47 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: We can't possibly fathom how big our universe is. Right, 48 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: So same thing goes for the afterlife. We haven't been there, 49 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: we haven't experienced it. Although there's some people that have 50 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: had near death experiences and through mediums, people have shared 51 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: what the afterlife is like, but it's not until we 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: actually experience that we know how it is, if that 53 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: makes sense to So back to my turkeys. When COVID 54 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: hit back in March, my mom and I lost our 55 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: thirty five year old catering business. And up until that 56 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: point that was my job. That's what paid the bills, 57 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and I was grateful to have it. My research into 58 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: life after death was more than a hobby. It was 59 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: a passion, but it wasn't anything where I could earn money. 60 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: Maybe a book would sell, and I received just less 61 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: than two dollars I think for per book sold of 62 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: my book, We Don't Die a skeptics discovery of life 63 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: after death. But when COVID hit, we lost everything. We 64 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: lost our business and we had to start over again. 65 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: My mom bought a new house, which is great a 66 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: house in the country, which is why we get wild 67 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: turkeys here. In all that time where the future was 68 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: uncertain and we weren't to be around other people, I 69 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: just thought it would be a nice thing to do 70 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: is look at some bird feeders with maybe some cardinals 71 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: that would come to join us. Little did I know 72 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: is anything that we can pay attention to that relaxes us, 73 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: like bird watching or petting a dog or had any 74 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: time we can show love and v nurturing like that, 75 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: it actually reduces our stress level. And not only that, 76 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: but they say people that are bird watching and people 77 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: that have pets live longer. So there you go back 78 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: to the pandemic. I was a girl who traveled a lot. 79 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: My dad was an airline pilot, my mom a travel agent, 80 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: so I had absolutely no fear of flying. And I 81 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: got a call just about a month ago from Tom 82 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: who's the executive producer of Coast to Coast AM, and 83 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: he asked me if I'd like to be a guest 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: on George Norri's television show called Beyond Belief, which is 85 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: on The guy A Network, And in a panic, I thought, oh, 86 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: that means travel. And I don't know if you've been 87 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: like me, but it's been hard not being around people. 88 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden being confronted with getting 89 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: on an airplane and traveling from Boston, Massachusetts to Colorado, 90 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: which their studio is in Boulder, Colorado. But of course 91 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: I said yes. My passion and my life's work really 92 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: is to share everything that I know about the reality 93 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: of the afterlife to help people live powerful lives. So 94 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: I said yes to Tom to go on the trip. 95 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: Why I'm telling you this, and I'll tell you about 96 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: the trip in just a minute. But when it was 97 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: time to fly home, I got to the Denver Airport 98 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: a little bit early, and it was morning, and I 99 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: was hungry, and so the bar by the gate was 100 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: serving breakfast, so I ordered myself an omelet and a 101 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: cup of decaf coffee. And as I'm waiting for my food, 102 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: the guy nearby a few bar stools down says, oh, 103 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: where are you travel link And I told him back 104 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: to Boston, and he says, oh, do you live there? 105 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Or do you live here? And I said, well, I 106 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: lived just south of Boston. And he said, well, what 107 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: brought you to Colorado? Now my sister and my niece 108 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: live in Colorado. So I was really quick to say, oh, 109 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: I have family here. But then that voice said, you 110 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: know the voice, tell him about your book, tell him 111 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: why you're really here. This happens to me so much 112 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: that it's like that voice is so loud. I said, well, 113 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: I got to be interviewed for a television show. And 114 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: he says which show? And I told him and he says, well, 115 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: what was your topic? And I said, well, I wrote 116 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: a book about the afterlife, and I was talking about 117 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: the reality of the afterlife. Well, it dawned on me 118 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: that this man was hard of hearing, and so he says, what, 119 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: what's that come again? And I said, the afterlife. I 120 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: wrote a book about the afterlife. It's called We Don't Die, 121 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: A skeptics discovery of life after death. And if you 122 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: could see the other people around the bar in the 123 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: restaurant could all hear what I had to say. And 124 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: then he said, well, what's your name? And I yelled 125 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain And I tell you what it is. Sometimes 126 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: so difficult to share what I'm up to, because the 127 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: Sandra twenty five plus years ago would have been sitting 128 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: in another bar stool or sitting in the restaurant there, 129 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: just looking at this crazy woman screaming that she's researched 130 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: the afterlife and thought, no, there's no way. So it's 131 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: very funny to be living in my shoes. And of 132 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: course you're probably the same way. We go through our 133 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: life and we have all these experiences and we don't 134 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: remember who we were before. But in that moment, I remembered. 135 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: I remembered all the times where it took everything I 136 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: had to be able to say I'm interested in the afterlife. 137 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: This is what I've found, this is what I've learned 138 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: about grief, and that I want to share it. I mean, 139 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: I have to tell you. I was petrified to tell people, 140 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: but what happened was more people than not, we're really interested. 141 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: So I don't know what the guy did with that information. 142 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody in that restaurant jotted down 143 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: the book title or decided to do a Google search. 144 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but anyways, I was able to 145 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: get it off my chest. You know. Funny I'm telling 146 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: you this story. There was another time I was sitting 147 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: on an airplane. I had the middle seat and coach 148 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: and someone on the window side was asking me what 149 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: I did and I had the courage to share. And 150 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: this poor woman was just coming from her brother's funeral, 151 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: so I really had to share what I knew. I 152 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: knew my time was limited. I knew she's probably never 153 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: going to read my book, but I thought, what can 154 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: I say that will make a difference right now to her? 155 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: And I poured my heart out for however long we 156 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: were together, had a really good conversation, some hugs, some tears, 157 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: and when I left, I had a friend for life. 158 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: But the lady sitting to my left, I could see 159 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: her on her cell phone and anyways, you know how 160 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: you don't always want to talk to the people sitting 161 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: next to you on the flight. Well, I ended up 162 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: turning my head from being concentrating on this woman by 163 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: the window, and I see the lady is googling my 164 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: name and we Don't Die. She downloaded it on iTunes 165 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, that's really funny. And she and 166 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: I got into a conversation about the afterlife, and she says, 167 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be nosy and I didn't want 168 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: to get into your business, but she says, I was 169 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: really really interested. So I thought this episode, what if 170 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: you and I were sitting together on an airplane, or 171 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: we met for coffee and we only had a short 172 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: time to talk, what would it be that I could 173 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: say to you that would make a difference. Also, before 174 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: we leave our separate ways today, we do go through 175 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: times that whether it's a holiday or a birthday, there's 176 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: a lot of grief. We think about our loved ones 177 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: who have passed, and it's a tough time. Winter can 178 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: be a very, very tough time. I know to our 179 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: friends down Under it's summer. To you it's opposite, but still, 180 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: holiday times and birthdays can be very tough time. And 181 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: then before we're done today, there was a contest that 182 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: was done giving a million dollars one million dollars in 183 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: prizes for essays about the afterlife. The results just came out, 184 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: and I was surprised how many scientific people put papers 185 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: out these essays about the reality of the afterlife. So 186 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about it, and in a 187 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: couple of weeks time, when the essays come out, I 188 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: will certainly tell you, because they're going to make these 189 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: essays open to people everywhere for free, so you can 190 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: read what these people had to say. So I'm super 191 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: passionate about the afterlife. So we're going to take a 192 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back and you'll be sitting 193 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: next to me on an airplane, so to speak. You're 194 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 195 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 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Welcome back to 206 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are 207 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: talking about what it's like to travel with Sandra on 208 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: an airplane. Before I do, I was so excited to 209 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: be a guest with the great George Nori, the host 210 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: of Coast to Coast AM last week, and delighted to 211 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: be able to share about the afterlife and all my 212 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: latest information and just to be in his company. I mean, 213 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: he's a great man, and Coast to Coast a M 214 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest radio shows in the world. 215 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: And before I had left, in fact, weeks before the interview, 216 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: the guy A Network wanted a list of questions that 217 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: George could ask me, and I compiled them in a 218 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: nice order, and then, of course, you know what happens. 219 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: We get to the studio, I get my microphone clipped on, 220 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: me sit down, and it's just a heart to heart 221 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: talk with George Nori and myself. So in a second 222 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: I realized, oh, they're not going to ask me all 223 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: these questions, but better off because I know what's in 224 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: my heart, I know my experiences, and so you may 225 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: have already learned in your many years of life. But 226 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: the best way to be in a conversation is a 227 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: hundred percent listening. When someone asks a question, you are 228 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: so present and I don't know if it's our soul 229 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: or our wisdom. I don't know, but it's like the 230 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: right answers just come out of your mouth. You need 231 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: to be really listening to the other person as opposed 232 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: to being thinking in your mind. Oh maybe I can 233 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: talk about this. There is magic and being in the 234 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: present moment. So he asked me all kinds of things, 235 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: and I loved it, And the forty five minutes I 236 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: was sitting in my chair absolutely flew by. When you 237 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: are so present, sometimes it happens that you don't even 238 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: remember what was said. So it was only when I 239 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: flew back and I was on the airplane did I 240 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: realize some of the great things we had talked about. 241 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: It will be several months before that episode comes out. 242 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: I'll certainly let you know when it does. So let's 243 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: get back to traveling with Sandra. I'm somebody who will 244 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: talk to anybody. I'm very polite, but I'm also very 245 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: mindful of people sitting with me. You know, you get 246 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: somebody with their nose in a book, very clear that 247 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: they don't want to talk. Also, in this day, everybody 248 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: has to wear masks on airplanes, so not as easy 249 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: as it was before. But I'll tell you about some 250 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: of my past flights. In fact, right when my book 251 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: first came out, I had so much fear and telling people, 252 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: although I had a publisher who was behind my words. 253 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: In fact, I had written a book proposal about everything 254 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to share in my book, and he had 255 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: read it to a friend who had cancer and was 256 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: soon to pass. And my own book proposal made a 257 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: difference in a person's life, giving them hope. So although 258 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: my publisher was behind it, it's still one of those 259 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: maybe taboo subjects that you don't talk about publicly. You know, 260 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't also talk about politics publicly. You'll never find 261 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: out who I voted for and why. I think there 262 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: are certain conversations that people are so polarized. Either they 263 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: believe in one side or the other, and there's no 264 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: middle of the road. And I find that if you 265 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: talk about some particular subjects, you can either make friends 266 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: or lose friends. In fact, you could lose the people 267 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: out there by sharing some of your beliefs. And I 268 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: respect people. Our past brought us to who we are today. 269 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: And while some things that you may hear me say 270 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: in this show resonate with you, there might be some 271 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: things that maybe tick you off a little bit that 272 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: you say can't possibly be true. But don't throw the 273 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. Listen to 274 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: what resonates with you and take it and run with it. 275 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: If I talk about something like electronic voice phenomena or 276 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: signs from our loved ones, or doing a practice where 277 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: you quiet your mind and you invite your loved one 278 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: to step in close and feel their energy. If one 279 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: of those or another thing holds truth to you and 280 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: you find it interesting, go research it for yourself. I wish, 281 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: I really wish I had a little thumb drive like 282 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: we stick into our computers that I could just give 283 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: to you, and then automatically you would get my twenty 284 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: five years of experience researching the afterlife and go going 285 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: to some pretty miraculous events to know for sure that 286 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: the afterlife is real. But unfortunately I cannot. What I 287 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: can do is introduce you to the subject, introduce you 288 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: to some of my experiences, and then if you want 289 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: to take the ball and run with it and explore 290 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: it for yourself, that is the way you are going 291 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: to know. There's a saying about how you live life. 292 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: You can live it sitting in the stands, or you 293 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: can live it being right on the court here on earth. 294 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: I do believe it's an education for our soul. And 295 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: there's a big difference between, say, what you learn in 296 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: college and what you learn living life on the court. 297 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: Whatever interests you about the afterlife or living life, whatever 298 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: your passions are, go for it. Take what works, keep 299 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: it the truths that I know that maybe you don't 300 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: care for. O it away. So here we are. I 301 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: sit down on the airplane. You might be sitting next 302 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: to me. That conversation always comes up. Either it's me 303 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: or the person next door will say, Hi, I'm Bob, 304 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: what's your name, I'm Sandra, Nice to meet you. Always 305 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: a moment of quiet, And sometime after we take off, 306 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: why are you traveling business or pleasure? And it depends, 307 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: obviously the answer to that. But I really have had 308 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: times where I was too afraid to share what I 309 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: was really up to, and I would tell people the 310 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: business I did pre COVID, which was cater for race 311 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: car teams. I would say, I'm a chef for race 312 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: car teams. Find out what they did. But I tell you, 313 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: if we pay attention to that little voice in our head, 314 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: the good one, the empowering one. It said, tell him 315 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: about the book, Sandra, tell him about the book. So tegically, 316 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: I always pack a book with me, and I would say, 317 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: and I'm also an author, what did you write? Comes 318 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: the next question. Again, this is my own fear. But 319 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: it's easier to pull out the book sometimes than say 320 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: I wrote a book on the afterlife. I've had times 321 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: where somebody would grab the book out of my hand. 322 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: One gentleman spent three hours reading my book, didn't even 323 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: talk to me, except for every so often looked at 324 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: me with tears in his eyes and just grabbed my 325 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: hand and gave me a little shake, Like this really 326 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: has hit home for me. Another time, I was talking 327 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: to a woman who was in the center seat. Her 328 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: husband was in the window seat, and I was in 329 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: the aisle, and I was talking to her about the 330 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: afterlife and her dad had just died. And I see 331 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: the husband like shaking his head. You know that I 332 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: don't believe in any of us, And so the wife 333 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: whispered to me, he doesn't believe in any of this. 334 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: So I thought, okay, you know, our job is not 335 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: to push our beliefs on other people. But if we 336 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: have something to share and someone's willing to listen, then 337 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: by all means share well. I had showed her the book, 338 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: she said it on her trade table, and as I'm 339 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: talking to her, the husband grabs the book. So while 340 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking to the wife, I see the husband with 341 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: this really concerned and skeptical look on his face as 342 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: he's flipping through the pages. The next thing you know, 343 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: the flight is almost over, we are landing, and the 344 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: husband had had his nose in the book the entire time. 345 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: After we had landed, I got a huge thank you. 346 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: He says, I never believed in this, but he said, 347 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: you wrote it in a way that you were skeptical, 348 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: so it was easy for me to read as if 349 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: I was walking in your shoes. Don't think it's an 350 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: accident that the subtitle of my book is a skeptics 351 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: Discovery of life after Death. I gave it a great 352 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: deal of thought that if I'm to have a book 353 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: titled We Don't Die with such a bold title, I 354 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: needed people to know that I started off as a 355 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: skeptic and never believed in this at all myself. In fact, 356 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: an interesting story, just before I published the book, I 357 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: knew we Don't Die was the title, but I didn't 358 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: have a subtitle, and I had a friend who has 359 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: just recently passed I'm sorry to say, named Travis, who 360 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: helped me pick my subtitle. And it's very interesting because 361 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: on the very same time I was calling him to 362 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: tell him I've got a great subtitle, A skeptics Discovery 363 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: of life after Death. He had written down earlier that 364 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: day those same words. He thought it was his idea 365 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: to have that as a subtitle. I don't want you 366 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: to think that this episode is a push for you 367 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: to read my book. It is not. You can have 368 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: it for free at our home base, which is we 369 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: Don't Die dot com. If you scroll down to the 370 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: bottom and join the email list. It says, read a 371 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: few chapters of the book and here's the secret. It's 372 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: the whole book. I personally want you to have every 373 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: bit of information that I have about the afterlife. I 374 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: don't want a price tag to stop you. And speaking 375 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: of skepticism, George Bernard Shaw, the famous playwright, wrote, all 376 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: great truths begin as blasphemies. Every person who has mastered 377 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: profession is a skeptic concerning it. So before any journey, 378 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: it is so normal to not believe Eve. But I 379 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: tell you, my friend, there is so much reward in 380 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: going on this journey yourself. So it's time for our 381 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: next break, and when we come back, I'll tell you 382 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: some of the big aha moments that I have and 383 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: what I do share what I'm sitting next to somebody 384 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: on an airplane. 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I'm Sandra Champlaine and 398 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: we are talking about taking an airplane trip with Sandra. 399 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: One of the flights I was on, I was sitting 400 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: next to a man who had a lot of grief 401 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: over his son that survived to tell the story, but 402 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: as a three year old he ended up drowning and 403 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: getting resuscitated. While the man felt a lot of guilt 404 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: that he wasn't able to notice that the sun went 405 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: into the water tried to swim when he was three 406 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: years old, and I didn't know how to What did 407 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: happen was surprising. When the child woke up in the hospital, 408 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: the son said to the father, Daddy, it's okay. The 409 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: big face in the sky was with me. His son 410 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: literally saw a face in the sun that told him 411 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: that he was going to go back to Earth and 412 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: be with his daddy. As with most people that have 413 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: had near death experiences, no matter what age, they make 414 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: their life about service. And this young man started helping 415 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: teenagers and children and counseling them and doing all kinds 416 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: of good things. So you never know who you're going 417 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: to sit next to. But if somebody asks me, you know, 418 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: why do you believe? What's the biggest reason you believe? Nowadays, 419 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: I would tell them about Sonya and Aldi who is 420 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: in Brazil. She's somebody we've talked to on episode number 421 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: one way back when she is someone who works with 422 00:27:52,520 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: electronics and cameras and takes pictures of static or steam, 423 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: and when she goes through the frames of a film 424 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: there are pictures of loved ones within it. I'm so 425 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 1: pleased about not only what she does, but that we 426 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: get an opportunity to share her work with the masses. 427 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: My friend Robert Lyon, who is an Emmy Award winning filmmaker, 428 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: has taken on a tremendous project of going to Brazil 429 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: and filming Sonja in her laboratory. How she films, how 430 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: she goes through frame by frame, how she works with parents, 431 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: and how intelligent the spirit world is that are able 432 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: to put pictures of loved ones within the film or 433 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: the digital film. I don't know if it's similar to 434 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: electronic voice phenomena, where you can record the sound of raindrops, 435 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: say the afterlife people can rearrange those sound molecules and 436 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: put voices on there. But for me, that is the 437 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: top evidence that we have now of the afterlife. It's 438 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: really spectacular. But I would tell people about my journey, 439 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: about my journey of being a skeptic of not believing 440 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: in any of this, to developing a really strong fear 441 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: of dying. And my mom speculates that it comes from 442 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: when I worked in a nursing home when I was 443 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: a teenager and some of the residents died, and so 444 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: she thinks, subconsciously at all just developed into this fear 445 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: of dying. I'm not really sure, but I do know 446 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: that it's gotten me on this journey and now I 447 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: get to share with you. Today, I would tell someone 448 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to on the airplane about taking my 449 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: very first mediumship course over a weekend, and very accurately 450 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: telling a total stranger details about her grandfather that came 451 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: into my what I thought was my imagination, with my 452 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: eyes closed and holding her hand, I was told to 453 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: make up a person, use my imagination and tell a story. 454 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: And in my mind's eye, I saw a man who 455 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: had a big gap between his front teeth, who had 456 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: blonde hair and red skin, and he worked on a 457 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: fishing boat in Denmark, and his name was Yawn and 458 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: he was puffing away on a cigarette in my imagination, 459 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: or so I thought, And I told my partner, with 460 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: my eyes closed, all about this grandfather of hers. We 461 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: weren't really supposed to be doing a medium reading. The 462 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: whole idea was to practice and just to use our imagination, 463 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: or so we thought, because our loved ones come through 464 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: with our imagination and anytime there's pressure on us that 465 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: we have to give a medium reading. In fact, that's 466 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: what happened to me the rest of the weekend. When 467 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: I really tried to do it, the gift wasn't there. 468 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: It was only when I was okay with being wrong 469 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: and I could share that I got every detail right 470 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: about her grandfather. His name was John, he was a 471 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: fisherman in Denmark. He fit the description and he died 472 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: of lung cancer. So I was right on the money 473 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: with that, and a couple other times in that course 474 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: I was as well. But like I said, when I 475 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: had to do it and I tried, all that psychic 476 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: mediumship ability got turned off. So let that be a 477 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: lesson to you. When you feel somebody is with you, 478 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: where you get a memory of a loved one or 479 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: a smell of Grandma's favorite oatmeal raisin cookies, that that's 480 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: her giving you a little sign. I would also tell 481 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: someone the story about when I went to see Reverend 482 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: Rita Berkowitz, who is not only a Spiritualist minister and 483 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: the Spiritualism faith people believe in the afterlife fantas hastic service. 484 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: As you may have heard me mention this, we do 485 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: one online every Sunday. They're very empowering on a topic. 486 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: But at the end the minister is a medium and 487 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: does a demonstration in front of the congregation. So that's 488 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: how I met Reverend Rita Berkowitz, who is also a 489 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: spirit artist. After my dad had passed. As much as 490 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: I believed in the afterlife, I'm no different than anybody else. 491 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: We go through very very deep grief as a human being. 492 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: I went to see her and when I walked in, 493 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: the first thing she told me was that my grandmother 494 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: was there. And my grandmother, I called her Grammy died 495 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: two years before my dad died. Reverend Rita told the 496 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: story all about my grandmother. She was very very tiny, 497 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: described her, shared some memories that we had together, and 498 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: it made me feel really good that my grandmother was there. 499 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: And as I said down and Rita picked up her 500 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: paper to draw in her pencils, she said, Dad is 501 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: here too. With her hand on the paper or on 502 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: the pencil. The eyes came out first. She drew beautiful 503 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: brown eyes, and then she drew a picture of my 504 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: dad that looked very close to what he looked like 505 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: when he was in the Air Force, when he was 506 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: in his twenties. Now he died at seventy four. He 507 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: had cancer, he was in bad shape, he had gray hair, 508 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: he had tubes hooked up to him. He did not 509 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: look like the guy in that picture. Reverend Rita said, 510 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: when we pass, we get to be our favorite age, 511 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,479 Speaker 1: and that made me feel so good. And to know 512 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: that those days where my dad's favorite age must have 513 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: been when he was in his twenties. And another thing 514 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: is my dad had a tumor that broke apart his spine, 515 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: and so he had to wear what's called a turtle shell, 516 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: and it was like a vest. He would describe the 517 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: pain that he felt coming from his torso as really tight, 518 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: you know, the pain. It just felt really tight and 519 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: he couldn't relax. And so she was telling me how 520 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: tight he was describing the pain before he died. And 521 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: the only way my dad could get out of a 522 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: chair is if he leaned way far over and he 523 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: pushed himself out and Reverend Reda demonstrated how Dad would 524 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: get out of the chair, and then she shared some 525 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: very personal things that Dad and I alone talked about 526 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: before he passed. Having a spirit artist not only tell 527 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: you about your loved one but draw their picture. You know, 528 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: That's something that I tell people on the airplane. I 529 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: absolutely do. One thing I make sure that I tell 530 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: people about. Why I'm sharing now is because grief really 531 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: is a killer. I would guess because you're listening to 532 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: this show right now that you have had a loved 533 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: one pass In fact, I did a poll of people 534 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: who are in our Facebook group. Most of the people 535 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: come because a loved one has passed. There are people 536 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: like me that start out on the journey because you're 537 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: looking to find out what your purposes in life or 538 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: get some reassurance that the afterlife is real. But most 539 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: people are interested because a loved one passes, and with 540 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: the passing of a loved one comes grief, and if 541 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: you're experiencing it right now, is the absolute worst thing 542 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: we human beings have to deal with. One thing is 543 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: so important that you know is that grief is for 544 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: the most part, out of your hands. It is your 545 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: brain and body trying to readjust to a new reality. 546 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: We have these things called neurotransmitters that are similar to 547 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: all the liquids that make your car run. You know 548 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: how we have gasoline and break fluid and windshield wiping 549 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: fluid and many other things. Well, our bodies have these neurotransmitters, 550 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: and when we have a loved one pass, they get 551 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: close to being depleted. And those neurotransmitters are what make 552 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: us feel bad, what make us cry, what makes us angry, 553 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: and so much else. So again, grab that free copy 554 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: of my book. Chapter ten is How to Survive Grief. 555 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: It really gives a lot of information about how to 556 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: help yourself build up those healthy levels of neurotransmitters. Anything 557 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: like sunshine, being outside, if you have pets, giving them 558 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: a good snuggle, being with other people, being in the 559 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: present moment, journaling, hugs are good. All those kind of 560 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: things really help in the process. And it is a 561 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: long process, but your loved one is real and they're 562 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: still around. Unfortunately, the more we love, the more it hurts. However, 563 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: grief has the power to give us an opportunity of 564 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: getting us on our soul's journey and determining what lies 565 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: beyond and what our life is for. So as painful 566 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: as it is, it can shut us down inside or 567 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: it can actually give us life. So let's take our 568 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: final break, and when we come back, I'll give you 569 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: a few more pointers of what I'd say on the airplane, 570 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: and then I'll tell you about the holidays and a 571 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: little bit about that contest. You're listening to Shades of 572 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 573 00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. Before the Art Bell Vault has 574 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: classic audio and waiting for you. Now I'm going to 575 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: close to Close to Him dot com. Welcome back to 576 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain, and what we're 577 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: talking about is what it would be like to be 578 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: sitting next to me on an airplane between our breaks. 579 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: Just now, I got a call from a friend of 580 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: mine who unfortunately had a pet pass away. It was 581 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: very very ill and she had to take it to 582 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,479 Speaker 1: the vet and put it to sleep. And my heart 583 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: really goes out to her and to everybody who has 584 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: a pet that has found their way into your heart 585 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 1: that is no longer here on earth with you. In fact, 586 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: if we were sitting together, that's a question I get 587 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: a lot is what about our pets. It's great that 588 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: our loved ones go on, but what about our pets. Absolutely, 589 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: most definitely our pets that we have loved, we will 590 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: see again in the afterlife. So for my friend Nancy, 591 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: or for anybody that moment that we pass ourselves when 592 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: we take that last breath and we open them again, 593 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: not only are our loved ones who have gone before 594 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: us there, but our pets are there. What else would 595 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: I tell you about the afterlife? Well, I'd have to 596 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: share with you my discovery of electronic voice phenomena and 597 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: how I went to a retreat center and took a 598 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: course on recording sounds of what seems like nothing, only 599 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: to have voices show up on them. That is one 600 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: of the things that took me from believing in the 601 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: afterlife to knowing is when with my own tape recorder, 602 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: I recorded the sound of rain drops for just a 603 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: minute after talking to my invisible grandmother, grandfather, aunt, and uncle, 604 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: which I wasn't too sure they were there, but I 605 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: told them, I really want this to be real, but 606 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: I need them to talk loud. I need to hear 607 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: on my own recording their voice to believe in e 608 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: v P s. So after letting the tape recorder record 609 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: for just a minute before I went to bed, I 610 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: played it back and lo and behold on the recording, 611 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: it says good night, Sandra, good night, good night, good night. Amazing. 612 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: And I went off to do hundreds, if not thousands, 613 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: of Electronic Voice Phenomena e v P messages, And that's 614 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: the first thing that gave me the backbone to share 615 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: my investigation into the afterlife. People have heard messages from 616 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: their loved ones, and most of the time there I 617 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: love you, but often there are shared memories. One fellow 618 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: I worked with his sister came through with an I 619 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: love you, Billy. Remember the game we used to play, 620 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: Remember Clue, which is the name of a game, so 621 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: that was pretty special. Depending on how much time we 622 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: had on our airplane journey, I would talk to you 623 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: about what I know about near death experiences and deathbed visitations, 624 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: you know, those moments just before someone passes and what 625 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: they see. I had a friend pass away a couple 626 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: of weeks ago who was a hospice chaplain, and he 627 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: had told the story about when his dad passed and 628 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: just a week prior to he had been in a 629 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 1: coma and he had woken up, and he had sat 630 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: straight up, and he had looked out into the great beyond. 631 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: He was telling his adult children what he saw in 632 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,919 Speaker 1: the afterlife. He could even see his best friend who 633 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: had passed. But the funny thing is is the friend 634 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: had passed when the father was in the coma, and 635 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: no one had ever told him. I'm sure my friend 636 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: Steve Kearney is enjoying the hereafter. I would also talk 637 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: probably about some of the children who can see into 638 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: the afterlife at a very young age. They know people 639 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: that are around, They have a mediumistic quality. Often people 640 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: ask what is the point? What is the point of life? 641 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: And it really is to have these different experiences and 642 00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: different emotions for our souls to grow. I wish I 643 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: knew why the sky was blue. I do not. I 644 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: wish I knew exactly how the afterlife works and who's 645 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: in charge of at all. I do not. But I 646 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: do believe wholeheartedly that we are all responsible for our 647 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: own lives. The more experiences that we have here on earth, 648 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: the better. The more we are loving and caring and 649 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: being of service to another. That's the bonus points. The 650 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: less we can listen to the negative voice in our head, 651 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: the ego, the identity, and realize that's not who we 652 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: really are. The better. So what's coming up as we 653 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: record this are the holiday period Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year's 654 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: But of course you could be listening to this any day, 655 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: but the holiday time or birthdays or anniversaries can be very, 656 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: very difficult, And like I had said about grief, grief 657 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: has the power to kill us. Unfortunately, there are many 658 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: suicides that happened while people are grieving. They're so depressed 659 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: that if they can't be with their loved one, they 660 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: don't want to be at all, or they want to 661 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: go with them. And that's not good either because the 662 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: people that you leave behind will grieve and be in 663 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: a lot of pain because you're not around. So there 664 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: is a way through grief. I want to give you 665 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: everything that I've got to let you know that it's 666 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: a process that's out of our control with the different 667 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: chemicals in our body that need to readjust but we 668 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: can do things to feel better and move through it 669 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,959 Speaker 1: a little faster. But after my dad died, it took 670 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: a good four years before I felt like this dark 671 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: cloud had lifted and it was really tough. So give 672 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: yourself some space, give yourself some time. If you go 673 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: to the website, our website, we Don't Die dot com, 674 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: there is a Facebook group and there's a ton of 675 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: people that you can talk to and communicate so you 676 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: don't have to be alone. I do say at the 677 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: holiday time, really take care of yourself. Be gentle on yourself. 678 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: It's okay to cry. It's okay to do things that 679 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: make you feel good, whether it's getting a massage or 680 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: taking a bubble bath, or shutting out the family and 681 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: watching a funny movie or doing that with them. Get 682 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 1: plenty of sleep, exercise if you can, try to minimize 683 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,760 Speaker 1: over drinking, and that's alcohol, I'm talking about over eating 684 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: too much sugar. All of that can really make you 685 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: feel even worse. When you set your holiday table. I 686 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: know many people who leave a space for their loved one, 687 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: that they put a place setting down and they include 688 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: them in their festivities as if they were physically there, 689 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: because they are there, just not physically. I've heard from 690 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: far too many mediums in our medium demonstrations there are 691 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: so many detailed bits of evidence that their loved one 692 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: knows because they were there they were there at the 693 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: holiday table as you were carving the turkey. But you 694 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: can do things in your person's honor. You can donate 695 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: money to their favorite cause. You can plant a tree, 696 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: you can play their favorite music as you decorate the 697 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 1: Christmas tree. As you put things on the tree, think 698 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: about them, think about their hands on it with you. 699 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: I see my grandmother in my mind's eye when we 700 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: put up our Christmas tree, and I know she's there. 701 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: Trust those feelings that are coming through, that those really 702 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: are your loved ones. There's some great movies that you 703 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: can watch, those feel good movies. It doesn't have to 704 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: be a holiday movie. Just anything that will put a 705 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: smile on your face. Talk to them. Have an empty 706 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: cup as you're drinking your coffee, and keep that conversation alive. 707 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,359 Speaker 1: Before you go to bed at night, or first thing 708 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,919 Speaker 1: in the morning when you wake up, think about them. 709 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: Talk to them. Imagine yourself sitting on a park bench 710 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: with them. You say what you want to say and 711 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: let them say what they want to say. As much 712 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: as you may think this is just your imagination and 713 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 1: you're making it up. I've said it to you before, 714 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: I'll say it again. They work through our imagination. Please 715 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: be forewarned if you get negative messages that come through 716 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: more fearful things, that is our own subconscious mind, messages 717 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: from beyond our messages of love. Do I believe in Hell? 718 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: I do not? I believe Right here is the toughest 719 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: thing we will have to deal with. So before I 720 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: leave you, I want to tell you about the Bigelow 721 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: Institute dot org. It's the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies, 722 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: and they put out a contest this past year for 723 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: people to write essays about the reasons they believe in 724 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and they have literally given out one million dollars. 725 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: Twenty nine separate essays have won. The first place winner 726 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Mishlov, PhD, who's won five hundred thousand dollars. 727 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: Second prize for three hundred thousand, Pim van Lomo, m d. 728 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: It's a medical doctor. Third prize Leo Rugby, pH d 729 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand. There's a bunch of people that 730 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: won fifty thousand, and a bunch of people that won 731 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: twenty thousand. Many, in fact, most of them as I 732 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: look at them, have medical doctor and or PhD behind 733 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: their names. The essays have not come out yet, and 734 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: I think there were some two thousand people that entered this. 735 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: These twenty nine winners not only have they won money, 736 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: but I'm excited to read why they believe in the 737 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: reality of the afterlife. So as soon as that comes out, 738 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: you believe me, I am going to be talking about 739 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: who they are and what they wrote about. But if 740 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: you want to read more about it, you can go 741 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 1: to the Bigelow Institute dot org and read all about 742 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: the contest. So our time today has come to an end. 743 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,399 Speaker 1: It always goes by so very fast. I did want 744 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,720 Speaker 1: this to be a lighthearted conversation because you're not alone 745 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: in your quest for believing in the afterlife. Life is 746 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: a tough journey. It's the hardest part of our journey. 747 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: But our life here is just a thread in the 748 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: fabric of our soul. Don't you love that quote. There's 749 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: such a bigger picture. So around you right now, my friend, 750 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: our loved one, and guides and people cheering you on. 751 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid. We're in this together. Our home base 752 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: is we Don't Die dot com, and there is a 753 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: ton there for you to explore. And please be our 754 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: guest on one of our free Sunday gatherings with a 755 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: mediumship demonstration included. You never know your loved one might 756 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: come through. I want to thank you for listening. I'm 757 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain. You have been listening to Shades of the 758 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 759 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: a M paranormal podcast network. And if you like this 760 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,319 Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear 761 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: the next one. Thank you for listening to the I 762 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a M paranormal podcast network,