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Speaker 1: the starters as well. Let's start with Tucker, and we'll

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Speaker 1: refer to Mark FINESANDMLB dot COM's article just giving us

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Speaker 1: big boys. He said Toronto remains the favorite, Mets can't

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Speaker 1: be counted out. If the Yankees are prepared to spend big,

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Speaker 1: it's likely going to be for Bellinger. And we'll get

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Speaker 1: to Bellinger next because John Hayman wrote that there's an

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Speaker 1: official offer out this week, a formal proposal. But let

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Speaker 1: us begin with Kyle Tucker. Do you think the Blue

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Speaker 1: and it seems like they have the highest bid out

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Speaker 1: Todd father, how the Blue Jays. I mean, they really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the that's the spot he should

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Speaker 2: with his father playing, him playing, and it's just he

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Speaker 2: I thought he played pretty well. He's a good hitter

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Speaker 2: bashett I still think they should keep him. I think

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Speaker 2: Why can't you take them both? Spend that cash? You

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I agree with Todd. I'm not saying,

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Speaker 3: Blue Jays are recency biased. They're like money, screw that.

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Speaker 3: I want another ring. I want to resemble what we

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Speaker 3: Blue Jays want to bring that and have shown that

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Speaker 3: that's the route they're going going after Dylan Cee so early,

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Speaker 3: So I don't think this is a money thing. And

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Speaker 3: I think the value of Kyle Tucker added to this

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Speaker 3: the field. Kyle Tucker will be a better offensive player.

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Speaker 3: If both players stay healthy, It's apples to apples, he'll

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Speaker 3: And I think just if you're going player to player,

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Speaker 3: the Blue Jays should go because he.

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Speaker 3: And I'm completely saying this only on my own. I

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Speaker 1: Part of why I think he'll land in Toronto is

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Speaker 1: A lot of times, it's not a real offer until

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't know who else is offering that

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Speaker 1: Todd father John Hayman reports formal proposal made to Cody

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Speaker 2: I think one hundred percent what you're the last part

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Speaker 1: Of course they're getting back together.

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Speaker 2: I think that's great that there's a proposal, and that's

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Speaker 2: But I don't think Cody wants to go anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: You know, they say the Mets have been connected. Two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, this one seems like it's happening. Crats.

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Speaker 1: They actually benefit from doing deals like this. It's not

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Speaker 1: It actually just has more to do with them paying

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Speaker 3: And Cody's been through. It's Cody's Cody's been through all

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Speaker 2: You sign.

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Speaker 3: You have a great year with the Cubs, Hey, you

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Speaker 3: sign this other short term deal. I think Cody's I

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Speaker 3: but I think he'll settle in six because of his versatility.

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Speaker 2: I like all those teams. I think he'd be happy

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Speaker 1: You don't think that the Red Sox might play ball

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Speaker 2: Listen what these teams are all battling right now? And

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Speaker 2: I think it's great. I think it's great because the

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Speaker 2: got for pregnant? Okay? Cool? Did you have anything on Tucker?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's mean, he's got Ballinger. He's having a

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Speaker 2: This might be the most fun time he's ever had

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Speaker 1: And fans get pissed because we're in January and we're

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Speaker 3: Lonzo was just going, oh yeah, you know, the Orioles

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Speaker 3: Do you want to play for us? Check yes or no? No,

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 3: I think each one of these guys added to any

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Speaker 1: Guys not third, But I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: He was a third baseman, but he was. He was

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Speaker 3: not going to now play third. But any of these

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get to the pitching too. From this article,

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Speaker 1: I'll pair them together. Framber Baldez Ranger Suarez. Fine Sen

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Speaker 1: mean for Ranger even, I mean, he pitches, but he's

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Speaker 3: But then you pump up his postseason numbers. I was

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Speaker 3: Consistency, So they're rate at that same age. Rangers a

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Speaker 2: And I just think at the last point, I'll make

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Speaker 1: Last one for me, I just want to sneak in

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Speaker 1: much better defender too at first base. He can play

430
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Speaker 1: some third, it appears, but I think he'll sign as

431
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: a first baseman. Really good numbers and contact on base,

432
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: A little bit of pop kind of gives you that

433
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 1: whole thing. Maybe there's some questions about contact, I mean

434
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Speaker 1: about pop and how much it'll play in the big leagues.

435
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: He's twenty nine years old. He should be right in

436
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: the thick of some prime years for a few seasons.

437
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: And he's got to essentially signed by Sunday, January fourth,

438
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Speaker 1: the fifth deadline. But you got to pass the physical

439
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: and they get that stuff done. So that's why you

440
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: usually see the Japanese guys go right up until about

441
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours before, so that he can have the time,

442
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Speaker 1: you know, sign on the fourth at five PM. You

443
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Speaker 1: get to wherever you gotta go, get your physical done

444
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Speaker 1: that morning, and boom, you sign and you do the

445
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Speaker 1: intro press conference. But Okamoto, it sounds like, let's see,

446
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who put this out there. Francis

447
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Speaker 1: Romero said, Angels, padres pirates and on Okamoto love.

448
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Speaker 2: This guy first and third basement kind of Well, Mike

449
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Speaker 2: is a.

450
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Speaker 1: Little bit less pop than you.

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a shame.

452
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Speaker 1: Might I think he might have more contact, got less

453
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Speaker 1: A lot of people do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but imagine, I was just thinking when you were

455
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Speaker 2: saying this, they got till January fourth, Like imagine, like

456
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Speaker 2: all free agents, they put them in a category, and like, hey,

457
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Speaker 2: you got till February. You got till January fourth to

458
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Speaker 2: sign Todd Fraser. I think that would be fantastic, do you.

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Speaker 1: I think the league once really, because they're gonna call

460
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Speaker 1: all everybody at one time.

461
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Speaker 2: I wasn't done. But the only bad part about that

462
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Speaker 2: whole thing is what happens if nobody signed is then

463
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Speaker 2: what what what comes up? What comes of it?

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Speaker 1: You know, eventually you have to be able to sign

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Speaker 1: again at some point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then that's why wait, but that's why my point

467
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Speaker 2: My point is mute. Yes, but I was just saying, theoretically,

468
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: what happens if that was the case, it would be

469
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Speaker 2: pretty and put your thumb up, jack ass. I was.

470
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Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to be cute or anything. There you go.

471
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Speaker 1: Let's do this futures for al Rookie of the Year

472
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Speaker 1: bet MGM odds Trey is Savage plus two hundred. Wow,

473
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Speaker 1: two to one odds for Trey, and then Munataka Commi's

474
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Speaker 1: at plus three fifty. That's a I plus three fifty

475
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: or you can pick rookies off the board. But we're

476
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Speaker 1: just showing you the top three for now. Man, that's

477
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Speaker 1: too high for your Savage. He's great, obviously, but he

478
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: pitched his ass off deep into October. They're going to

479
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Speaker 1: manage those innings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's way too high. I yeah, I

481
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Speaker 2: think he's gonna do good. But I don't know about

482
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Speaker 2: Ale Rookie Day. I hope he does. I like him.

483
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Speaker 2: I like him a lot. I would love to see

484
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Speaker 2: like the top ten twenty of them. I haven't checked,

485
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Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't see any of these three

486
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Speaker 2: winning the Rookie of the Year right now, right now.

487
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Speaker 2: But I'm saying that without looking at the whole list.

488
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Speaker 2: I feel like, Yeah, these guys are going to be good,

489
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Speaker 2: but we'll see. It's gonna take some time from our

490
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Speaker 2: comma am I to get used to, you know, play

491
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Speaker 2: the United States. You Savage had a great, great playoff career,

492
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Speaker 2: but we want to see him through a whole year.

493
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Speaker 2: People are like, oh, man, you're you're just being bitter.

494
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm no, I'm not. I'm just I'm just from futures

495
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Speaker 2: and seeing how guys are. You got to see a

496
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Speaker 2: whole one sixty two out a lot these guys, so

497
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Speaker 2: two hundred. I thought it'd be like seven eight hundred

498
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Speaker 2: if you want the truth. But maybe they know something

499
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Speaker 2: we don't know.

500
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Speaker 1: Well, they're also saying that they don't love the rookie class.

501
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: If you have someone at two to one already, we'll see.

502
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Speaker 2: I mean, don't you.

503
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Speaker 3: Think Yeah, I mean I think there. I think that's

504
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: it's based on the money too. I think it's just

505
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Speaker 3: tough to say a guy that young is going to

506
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Speaker 3: have a workload large enough to win the Rookie of

507
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Speaker 3: the Year. And I think his unique The interesting part

508
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: about it for me, the reason I wouldn't is because

509
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: of his uniqueness in pitching. Are people going to be

510
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: able to figure him out the second time? Through. He

511
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Speaker 3: might make an All Star team, but then are they

512
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Speaker 3: going to be able to figure him out? So that's

513
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Speaker 3: where I don't know, because it's such a unique release

514
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: point to me, I'm looking more at the position player.

515
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: I'm going down the list. You know, does Kevin McGonagall.

516
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Speaker 3: Does he make the team? Because the Tiger don't sign

517
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Speaker 3: anybody if he does. You know, I think this is

518
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: a guy that smashes fastballs. I think a guy that

519
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: made his debut in the playoffs last year, Chase the

520
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: lawder do just Chase the latter get five hundred and

521
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: fifty at bats. When you talk about position players, obviously

522
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 3: it's all about health, but it's more about how the

523
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: organization's going to deploy them when they're in the big

524
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: leagues and you just accumulate a lot of at bats

525
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Speaker 3: and you might hit two eighty, you might hit you

526
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Speaker 3: might run into twenty homers and that can win you.

527
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: You know, that can win you Rookie of the year.

528
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Speaker 3: You have like a Drake Baldwin type of year.

529
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Speaker 1: I actually think there's value with the next two here.

530
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Speaker 1: I mean, Murkami is either going to.

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Speaker 2: No.

532
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: You think it'll be an adjustment period.

533
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Speaker 3: H NO.

534
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: I think.

535
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Speaker 1: I think there's a chance he could still hit a

536
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Speaker 1: ton of bombs and he's gonna play it or he's

537
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: gonna get at bats every day, so that helps. And

538
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: then for me, I'm on the high side with him.

539
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: I I think that the industry is wrong on this

540
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: one and that he's going to be a number, say

541
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Speaker 1: two starter, And if that's the case, he's super underpaid

542
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: and undervalued this offseason. And if he stays on the field,

543
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: which I mean, I don't think his injury history is

544
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: deeper than almost any other pitcher, I think he's gonna

545
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: win it. I think he's gonna be great. And you're

546
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: looking at him for the first time, remember, I mean,

547
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: you're seeing a guy who's pretty unique. He has that

548
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: super he's got the savage slider right that the teams

549
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: do love, and that I don't think the models really

550
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: know how to how to price out yet because there's

551
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: only a few guys that have it. So I think

552
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: for me, that's where I'd be spending my money. And

553
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: I actually like it. You know, sometimes we shy away

554
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: from these scrats. I like that. I like to play

555
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: for am I in this case, at plus three fifty,

556
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: I think he could get off to a hot start.

557
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, even if he's part of a six man rotation,

558
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: that'll help him. Most of the guys that come over

559
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: from Japan are in a six man rotation, and if not,

560
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: they need one at least to start their career.

561
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: That's fair.

562
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: And you know he doesn't need to amass two hundred

563
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: innings like I think he would need to for like

564
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: a Cy Young or one hundred and eighty innings. So yeah,

565
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying for me with Mori Kami.

566
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: If he hits thirty homers, can the voters shy away

567
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: from that number without giving him the Rookie of the Year.

568
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: If he pops thirty homers, which home run wise, that

569
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: might be his floor. You're talking about a possible forty

570
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: home run type of power. Yes, I get it, he

571
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: might hit one ninety. But if he hits two twenty

572
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: with thirty pumps, I mean, isn't he locked in? Doesn't

573
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: he have to be Rookie of the Year now?

574
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: So here, I'll just give you the comp ready, who

575
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: are you voting for Rookie of the Year? If Mori

576
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: Kami hits thirty home runs but he's got a two

577
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: seventy five on base and he's playing either bad first

578
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: or mostly DH versus am I with a two eight

579
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: ora making twenty eight starts? Yeah, I don't think that's close.

580
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: I would go with a picture of mine.

581
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, to eight is legit.

582
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean, hit okay three R versus what you're saying.

583
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if Murcami strikes out like crazy, doesn't

584
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: get on base well, and he's not probably going to

585
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: be known for his defense, then I think you're looking

586
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: more at is he gonna hit forty plus and then

587
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be a tougher sell to put someone

588
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: else there. I think thirty still doesn't doesn't do it

589
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: unless the numbers are back to support him with on

590
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: base and I don't know, I guess maybe some defense

591
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: at first that's better than expected.

592
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: I mean, his probably will be decent. It's just gonna

593
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: be where that average ends up because he doesn't he

594
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: doesn't make contact with a lot of stuff. He just

595
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: doesn't swing it much outside of the zone. So thirty homers.

596
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: How many rookies have hit thirty homers and not been

597
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: the top top top two, top three rookie the year voters.

598
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: That's a lot of homers to jump in the first

599
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: year and do like say a Suzuki's home runs didn't

600
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: really start coming till a few years into his time

601
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Speaker 3: in the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I'm trying to look up the really tough

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Speaker 1: question that Krats asked.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we'll be able to pull it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if someone else wants to do that homework

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