WEBVTT - Talk That Ship To Me (with Troy Walker) 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.760 I actually went to a NASCAR race the other day. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.000 It felt weird, like I was like going around going like, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.880 there's another black person, and there's a black person there, 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.760 Like I was probably the most racist person there, just 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:19.439 because I kept pointing out, well, Troy, let's be honest, No, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.639 you weren't. But that said, you might have been the 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:27.000 most actively uh acknowledging the race in the room in 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.600 a way that that you didn't expect. I know, I 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.960 was the only person that said, there's two more niggers 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:56.440 out loud, out loud, Yeah, chips in your racist money. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:03.560 Actually stuff, I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, there 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.840 it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:12.560 another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.880 where we dive deep deep into the pockets of black 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:20.800 conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that the 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.679 noose in Bubba Wallace's garage was not a hate crime, 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.560 but rather a warning from a time traveling nigga from 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.319 the future to tell Bubba chill with the NASCAR and 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.120 learn to host the b ET Awards instead. Look, man, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.280 you ain't that good at driving. You got to get 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.319 on the b ET Awards. That's what the man from 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.960 the future was trying to say to him with the noose, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.440 and he was completely misinterpreting it. That's the conspiracy theory 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.840 I'm spreading this week. That's the nonsense I'm putting out 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.040 in the world. I'm your host, lanks to Kerman as 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.360 always coming in hot baby, coming in hotware back. This 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.080 is our our second week back from hiatus, and I'm 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.080 happy to be with you. But more importantly, I'm happy 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.120 to be here with my guests. And here means over 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.000 zoom because I don't think in person ever is going 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.480 to exist again because you niggas don't know how to act. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.600 But the point is over zoom. My guest today is 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.760 a hilarious I'm so happy he's here, hilarious comedian, hilarious 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.680 stand up. You know him as a writer on Jimmy 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.960 Kimmel Alive. That's that's one of the good late night shows. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.120 There are some stinkers, but Jimmy Kimmel Alive and one 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.720 of them, and he helps write that show so funny. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.919 Please give it up for my guests. Mr Troy Walker, Hey, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.480 happy to be here, man, I'm happy to be here. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.000 I'm happy you're here. You know, it's funny about that. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:50.480 Intro actually went to a NASCAR race the other day. Whoa, yeah, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:55.119 how was it? Honestly it was great? It Okay, this 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.280 is this is exciting for me because I was actually 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.800 having a debate and different writer's room about whether or 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.720 not black people can show up to NASCAR and be 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.240 un unbothered, you know what I mean. Like I always 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.720 I thought, like, all right, I like the idea of 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.760 getting drunk and watching cars going circles. That seems fun, 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.360 but I would imagine that the community of NASCAR is 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.519 not gonna be like chill with me being there. I mean, 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.160 this was so I went. It was the first time 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.880 I've ever gone to one, and I kind of went, 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.720 I guess in that same kind of like let me 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.000 just see you know. I went with like one of 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.120 my comic friends, Brent gil I think you know Brent. Yeah. Uh. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.200 So we go out there, we like drive to Fontana 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.600 or whatever, and I mean there is that like thing 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.880 where it's like trumpy, right, Like there's like the fun 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.080 Joe Biden t shirts or whatever, and like trucks with 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.800 the big flags and stuff and as as it should 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.520 be if if ever there was a space for that, 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.760 they built that. If you build, they will come. Yeah, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.320 I get it. But honestly, the vibe was like pretty 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.880 good other than that, And there were way more black 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.400 people than I ever expected to see, Like, way more 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.920 black people than I ever expected to see. Bro, that's 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.719 that's actually really encouraging. Yeah, I was blown away actually 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.520 by how many black people are actually there. I have 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.920 to figure that's Bubba, Like, you know, how we do it, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.320 Like there's like a black dude doing that. We're gonna 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.320 was Bubba racing? Was he was? He? Now? He was there? 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.679 How do you do? What place he come in? Look, 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.360 that's not the point. We all got to talk. Why 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:43.200 why are you trying to be negative? Look he was there, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.480 that's that's what he came in a strong thirty fifth plade, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.040 and they are saying he's one of the best thirty 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.320 fifth place performances they've ever seen. Look it wasn't his fault. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.600 You know, they kept they kept the police kept pulling 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.760 him over during the race. Uh No, it was like 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.240 it was honestly, man, it was like kind of fun, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.680 Like it's like it's loud, it's like, you know, he 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.880 just kind of sitting there drinking. It's it's good. Yeah, 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:17.880 it seems I mean like a lot of live sports 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.120 that are more fun to obviously watching person than they 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.680 are on television. I feel this way about baseball. It's 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.839 one of those things where it seems like you could 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.120 check out for a while and you haven't missed a thing, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.240 and so it's it's that's great for fucking live because 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.760 you can just talk some ship hang out and then 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.799 you go back and it's like, oh yeah, they're still 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.400 doing loop de loops perfect. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.920 like in person, it feels like less time when they're 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.400 on the other side than it does on TV. You know, 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.080 like TV it feels like, oh, like what do you 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.599 do the other time? You know, like when they're not 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.880 right in front of you, but right there. I mean, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.880 they're going so fast that it's like, you know, it 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.040 pretty it's pretty quick. It actually was like nowhere near 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.280 as boring as I thought it might be. And uh yeah, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.080 it was like I don't know, it's like good energy. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.240 They do five hundred laps, that's the deal. No, I 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.679 think the one I saw was like maybe a hundred 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:22.680 and fifty. Oh so I'm way over or something. It 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.880 wasn't like anything because I thought, like the same thing, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.599 it was like something like two hundred, but I know 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.839 it wasn't actually two hundred laps. I think it was 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.080 like one fifty because they did like three stages, Like 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.120 I learned like a decent amount while I was there. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.880 They do like the races and stages. Now see, I'm 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.919 gonna sunk around and go somewhere and be like what 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.120 they doing five hundred laps and then those white people 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.799 are going to have a reason to be my ass, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.000 you know what I mean. They're gonna be like, look, man, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.000 we're cool with y'all being here, but you can't be 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:53.039 in here dumb as fuck asking questions. But it was 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.680 like yeah, then like people like wearing like his stuff, 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.440 like his like Bubba Wallace's jerseys and stuff. Yeah, it 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.839 felt he got jersey. I gotta give me a bubble 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:05.440 while jerky number thirty. You can get a whole Yeah, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.200 you can get a whole jacket and everything. I love that. Okay, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.760 we can't. We can't talk about Bubba and his hen 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.840 and against all day because you came to us with 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.880 a conspiracy theory that frankly, I don't know that I've 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.000 ever heard before, and I'm super excited to talk about 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:27.960 you said, my mama told me slavery with faith and 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:35.960 black people were already in America. I saw this on 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:40.600 Twitter a while back, and then apparently it's like like 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.560 b O. B is like kind of a believer in this, 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.080 Like I said, like an article I found about this, well, yes, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.040 and I I get. I dove deep into the article 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.760 and the article is actually written by a former guest 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.440 on the show, Michael Harriet of the Route, and it 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.600 is jarring uh discovery from b O. B. That's right, 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.960 Bob has discovered that slavery in fact is a complete 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:10.080 ruse because he's not exactly clear why, but it's a 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.720 complete ruse because black people, I guess, we're in America 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:18.960 before we were originally brought here quote unquote originally brought 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.559 here via slave ship. Yeah, Like he like was saying, 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.520 wouldn't like that. It's like shoot where you're like that's 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.400 not true, like something so easily disprovable. Like he's like, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.120 you haven't noticed, you never see a slave ship. You 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.240 feel like you just told me you don't go to museums. Bro, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.679 I feel like that's the only thing you told me. Okay, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.640 So so I think based on your energy alone, I 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.800 get the sense that you're not bought in on this 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:54.400 conspiracy theory, that this is hell No you're subscribing to 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.400 and B O B is not a selling point for you. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.360 You're not B O B doesn't make you want to 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.360 believe it more. No, bro, come on now, I look, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.880 I'll admit I had his albums that a lot of 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:11.439 people did. I had his albums, but no, let me 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.000 ask you this were When when did you first discover 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.160 that B O B was is a conspiracy theorist? Was 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.600 this the one that broke you open? Or were you 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:25.640 aware of his earlier conspiracy theorists theories? Excuse me, I 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.640 don't know that I know of his other conspiracy theories. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:33.319 Oh yeah, well he has one that that really ruined 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.160 his career. And he was an early early investor in 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.640 the flat Earth movement. He was actually one of the 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.640 first sort of like celebrity people to come forward and 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.560 be like, the Earth ain't ain't round, it's flat. And 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.120 he even went so far as to make a very 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.960 public go fund me so that he could invest in 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.120 in creating a satellite type situation so that he could 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:03.080 prove that the Earth is flat. He's fully invested. This 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.480 isn't just like a passive theory for him. He he 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:12.040 invested in a satellite. No, no, no, he invested in 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.160 setting up a go fund me so that so that 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.040 the public could invest in a satellite that I guess 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.280 he was gonna build to try to figure out if 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.840 the Earth is in fact flat. I mean, you know, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.240 sometimes you know how you go like, you know, like 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.320 some people shouldn't have money, Yeah, you know, like when 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.440 you go like somebody else should be in charge of 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.280 their money. Absolutely, And I feel like that's one of 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.760 those situations. But it's also like bad because it's like 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.520 he wasn't even gonna put his money behind it, Like 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.920 he was like, I'm gonna start to go fund me No, 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.400 And and I would dare to say it's because he 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.120 doesn't have much money left. I don't know that. Uh, 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.040 that B O B is now raking in the coin 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.480 from those early two thousand CITs that probably have carried 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.400 as long as we wish they would have. Oh god, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.720 he spent all the Strange Clouds money. Yeah, man, it's 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.400 all gone. What was that the joint with Bruno Mars. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.880 It's gone, it's it's done. Okay, So so you're not 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.720 bought in on Bob's conspiracy theories. That sounds like any 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:25.000 of them, certainly not not the current one, the most 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.920 recent one that we're talking about. No, no, no, no, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.559 no no, I mean, how could you. That's like a 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:35.800 hard one. Sure, it's it's a silly it seems silly. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.959 Let me ask you this this now follow up question. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:43.600 I guess are you a person who buys into conspiracy 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.720 theory in general? Are you like anti conspiracy theory? Are 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.160 you very much like No, the government tells us the 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.240 truth and I dig what they got going on. I don't. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.600 I don't feel like it's those extremes. Oh you don't 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.679 like the set up, the trap that I put you win? No, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.240 I don't know that you have to be I think 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.240 you can be like I think most conspiracy theories are trash, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.080 but I'm not. But I also don't think like, oh, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.719 you know, the government tells us everything the truth. But 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.240 I think, like, you know, I don't. I mean, I 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.840 think that would be like necessilly black man that believes that. Yeah, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.439 I don't know who that is. I know he wears 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:27.920 a lot of polo shirts. Yeah, frankly, I don't even 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.640 know if he's still doing that. Nobody's checked on B 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.440 O B and so long that his style, his energy 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.080 has changed in a way that who knows what he looks, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.120 who knows what he's doing. But no, no, I wouldn't 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.240 say no. I don't typically subscribe to conspiracy theories because 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.880 I feel like the thing about conspiracy theories is they 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.640 always require like a bunch of stuff to perpetuate themselves, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.439 you know, like it's always like one of those things 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.359 where like the second there's like evidence against the conspiracy, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.160 they have to like use that is more evidence of 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.480 the conspiracy. You know. It's always yeah, you're like people 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.560 like that's not a thing. I have like a chart 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.920 with numbers that shows you why that's not true. And 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.520 they go, yeah, well who made that chart? They're just right, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.000 like it's just like and I'm just not I have 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.040 a lot of agree man, Like I just can't think 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.120 like that, you know, Like, yeah, I I think I've 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.280 talked about this before on the podcast, but when Kyrie 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.600 came out as a quote unquote flat earther, I was 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.400 actually there. He talked about it at the All Star Game. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:35.160 I believe it was like seventeen. I was there shooting 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.839 a VR thing for I think it was Oculus or 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.679 some ship. I don't remember, but the point is I 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.080 was sort of like standing near the the podiums of 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.720 everything that was you know that all Stars were all 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.520 sitting around They're doing their various press conferences whatever, and 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:57.520 they asked Lebron actually because Kyrie had said it earlier 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.560 that morning, and then they asked Lebron because they're still 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.840 on the calves together at the time. They're like, a, Brian, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.280 have you heard that your star teammate thinks that the 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.040 Earth is flat? And then Lebron yells over to the 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.520 other podium that Kyrie is at. He goes, yo, read 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.480 you think the Earth is flat? And then you can 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.880 see Kyrie go and it's very much this is early 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.240 in Kyrie trolling doing the thing phase. I think he's 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.040 in a much different space now, but at the time 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.680 you just see Kyrie's eyes get real low and he 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:34.160 goes yeah, and you can tell he doesn't believe it. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.600 But what he did sort of suggesting things that I 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.720 followed up on and things that I read, and even 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.520 Steph Curry got in trouble for some weird conspiracy theory 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.200 ship around the same time. And the point that I 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.200 think a lot of these guys kept trying to make 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:55.680 is that history books don't always tell us the truth, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.440 and so there's plenty of reason for us to question 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.000 the history that we have. And I think that's sort 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.320 of like the dangerous game that conspiracy theory creates because 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:12.600 that statement is a true history books lie to us constantly. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.520 We're not always being presented with the truth, even in 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.760 in you know, current media. That said, there has to 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.720 be a point where you stop asking questions and you 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.200 take it at a level of face value. And if 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.320 you keep just asking more and more, well, how do 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.920 we know, how do we know? You're just trapped in 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.040 a a very dumb tunnel. Yeah, man, I used to 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.360 have a bit about how you can't question everything, like 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.520 because at a certain point you have to trust something. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.360 Because the thing is the other thing about the conspiracy 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.440 theory people to me is they trust people. It's not 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.080 that they don't like In fact, they're like the most 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.240 trusting people I've probably ever talked to in my life. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.920 It's always like, you know, but the difference is is 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.920 that instead of trusting the CIA. They trust like a 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.200 dude with like a clip art website, right. It Like 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.040 it's not like I'm not saying you should trust the CIA. 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.600 I don't think you should, certainly not as a black person. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.760 They have, like you know, there's like tons of history 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.080 of like, no, they're pretty cool. Let's let's take it easy. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.800 The CIA is fucking nailing it. We all should be 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.960 big fans, right what I'm saying, Like, you know, if 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.920 you're gonna go like, Okay, I don't trust the New 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.200 York Times, but like I would, I would be more 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.800 amenable to it if you were to say, but I 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:38.680 also don't trust this like dude on reddit. But they're 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.680 completely all in on dude on Reddit. And that's like 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.040 so to me, it's like not that they don't trust everything. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.920 It's like if anything, to me, they probably don't question enough. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:54.480 They just question. They question anything that isn't them being 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.640 in on something. Yeah, I mean I think to some extent, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.760 it's it's the trust. Is I trust that that there 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.800 are more questions here, and that's that's probably a good instinct, right, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.520 Like that almost feels like some scientific method ship. But 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:16.359 then the questions that you're asking are falling far short 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.960 of scientific anything scientific. It's just being like, well, how 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.479 do you know? And it's like I don't, bro Like, 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.240 I can't prove every single element of this because I'm 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.080 not an expert in every field. No one is, and 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.240 so it becomes this unwinnable game that only they can 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.960 sort of like stake a flag in. Yeah, but it's 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.960 also like there are experts in fields, but sometimes like 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.919 they'll act like the person who is an expert can't 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.800 be trusted specifically because they are an expert like that 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.280 kind of yeah, And it's like but that, like I 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.640 guess in in the end, it's like you can question everything, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:01.240 m but at a certain point you have to trust 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.880 something specifically because you can't, like nobody can be an 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.879 expert in everything, like, so ultimately you have to trust 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:13.159 somebody about something. And you know, on balance, I'd probably 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.480 rather trust like to do with a bunch of like 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.560 degrees and stuff on it than like dude on Reddit, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.679 I think, yeah, I think there's probably a balance that 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:27.080 needs to be had of this probabilities wise, Yeah, I 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.520 can say, you know, I fuck with the dude on 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.800 reddit for for introducing me to questions that I had 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:40.560 not considered, while simultaneously acknowledging that these educated people probably 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.440 are coming from a level of no how and and 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.280 learning that is still useful to the greater good of 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.720 the world, or at least greater learning of the world. Right. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.640 It's it's a dance, you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.240 but I also like tend to like I kind of 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.960 like operate on that, Like, yeah, you know what is 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.480 like they say, like never like attribute to malice what 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.560 you can attribute to stupidity or something like that. Like, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:12.320 I think a lot of stuff happens because people are idiots. Yeah, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.639 So like I don't need to like see like a 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.879 whole bunch of like lines between everything. Sometimes if like 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:23.159 the simplest explanation, this is probably like a big screw 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:28.439 up right up. Yeah, And I do think that that 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:33.480 also is is a thing that that conspiracy theory sometimes misses, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:39.960 is that it creates like a a giant, massive conspiratorial 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.439 like everybody behind the curtain was moving perfectly to create 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:49.400 this dangerous mayhem whatever thing to happen, when in reality, 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.280 most of us are idiots. Like the absolutely vast majority 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.360 of the world is run and moved by idiots. Even 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.880 the people who are intelligent are only intelligent and specific 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.159 ways and often fumble in other ones. And that means 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.480 that those idiots funk up. And then that creates a 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.359 way that that sometimes people are hurt or sabotaged or 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:14.119 treated poorly, and we we ain't gonna apologize, so we 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.120 just invest in the in the damage that we've done 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.679 instead of just being like, oh, fuck, Steve's a dummy. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.959 I don't know what to tell you. That's why that happened. Yeah, bro, 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.640 Like I feel like, Um, the other thing about it 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.679 is like it's interesting to me with like conspiracy theories 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.280 a lot of times because it will be like this thing, well, 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.520 they'll be like where everything behind the scenes operated perfectly 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.560 to like make this conspiracy when like nothing works like that, 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.840 Like every like for the conspiracy to be true, like 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.520 all of the different parties and like organizations and people 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.600 and all, and none of it will get out. None 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.640 of it gets out officially. Everybody keeps their mouth shut, 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.600 nobody tells their cousin when they're drinking or something like, 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:01.120 none of none of that stuff ever happens, and everybody 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:06.840 pulls off the conspiracy perfectly. Yeah, like it's that's that's 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.520 just not how anything. Yeah, nobody's snitching, nobody's fumbling the 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:18.560 the truly in like super like complicated thing that's happening 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.720 in front of you. It it just is everybody's working 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.439 perfectly and it it never fumbles. But apparently on the 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.720 other side, we fumble all the time. It's yeah, it's 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.040 it's too complicated for for it to all work out 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.560 the way that the conspiracy theorists want us to believe. 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:38.320 That said, I think it's also more complicated than oftentimes 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.480 the history books try to break it down where it's 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.080 just like, yeah, a few mean men did a mean thing, 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.680 and uh, those mean men are gone now and we're 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.440 all sweets ever since. Yeah, No, I don't believe that 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.199 ship either. I think you cannd like I think. I 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.240 think there's a difference between saying they don't tell you 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.960 the whole story versus that there is a completely different 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:06.320 story that has nothing to do with it, Like, they 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.840 obviously don't tell you the whole story, and they obviously 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:12.840 try to sanitize it and everything. But yeah, I don't 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.320 tend to go in too deep on conspiracy theories. There 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.159 are certain ones that I'll be like, yeah, maybe I 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.600 feel like there's probably something to that, and then they're 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:25.000 like other ones that are obviously have been proven true. Well, well, 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.080 let me ask you this before we go to break. 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.880 I guess I want us to get back to the 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.480 the conspiracy theory at hand. I think we've been living 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.960 a lot in theory right now, which is nice. I'm 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.760 enjoying the conversation. Don't you stop having a good convo 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.760 with me, tru. But I'm wondering if there's any element 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.160 of the conspiracy theory at hand that you are brought 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.840 into do you want to mean that? Like, basically, b 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.600 O b And and people like him are suggesting that 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.879 slave ships did not exist, and that slavery as it was, 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.480 at least as the way that we understand it didn't exist, 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:03.120 and that black people existed in America well before we 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.960 think they did, that we are more original to America 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.440 than than we are led to believe. Is there any 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.520 element of that where you're like, I can see what 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:18.200 they're doing there from the stuff I've seen, No, WHOA, 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.640 You're like like, these n is just making stuff up? Yeah, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.879 Because to me, it's like and I guess maybe in 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:29.720 a way, I sort of respond viscerally to it because 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:33.320 in a way it feels like letting white people off 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.000 the hook in a way, Oh interesting, you know what 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:42.280 I'm saying, Because it feels like it's almost like they go, like, 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:46.200 the Atlantic slave trade is like one of the greatest 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:50.520 genocides in human history, and so for you to act 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.520 like it didn't exist to me is like it's like 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:59.240 Holocaust denial to me, Oh that's interesting, and there's like 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.920 things like that that really bother me about and so 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.800 and so. In a way, it kind of because because 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:10.920