1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: I actually went to a NASCAR race the other day. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: It felt weird, like I was like going around going like, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: there's another black person, and there's a black person there, 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Like I was probably the most racist person there, just 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: because I kept pointing out, well, Troy, let's be honest, No, 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: you weren't. But that said, you might have been the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: most actively uh acknowledging the race in the room in 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: a way that that you didn't expect. I know, I 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: was the only person that said, there's two more niggers 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: out loud, out loud, Yeah, chips in your racist money. 11 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Actually stuff, I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, there 12 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to 13 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast 14 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: where we dive deep deep into the pockets of black 15 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that the 16 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: noose in Bubba Wallace's garage was not a hate crime, 17 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: but rather a warning from a time traveling nigga from 18 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: the future to tell Bubba chill with the NASCAR and 19 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: learn to host the b ET Awards instead. Look, man, 20 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: you ain't that good at driving. You got to get 21 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: on the b ET Awards. That's what the man from 22 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: the future was trying to say to him with the noose, 23 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: and he was completely misinterpreting it. That's the conspiracy theory 24 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm spreading this week. That's the nonsense I'm putting out 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: in the world. I'm your host, lanks to Kerman as 26 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: always coming in hot baby, coming in hotware back. This 27 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: is our our second week back from hiatus, and I'm 28 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: happy to be with you. But more importantly, I'm happy 29 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: to be here with my guests. And here means over 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: zoom because I don't think in person ever is going 31 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: to exist again because you niggas don't know how to act. 32 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: But the point is over zoom. My guest today is 33 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: a hilarious I'm so happy he's here, hilarious comedian, hilarious 34 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: stand up. You know him as a writer on Jimmy 35 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Kimmel Alive. That's that's one of the good late night shows. 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: There are some stinkers, but Jimmy Kimmel Alive and one 37 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: of them, and he helps write that show so funny. 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: Please give it up for my guests. Mr Troy Walker, Hey, 39 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: happy to be here, man, I'm happy to be here. 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy you're here. You know, it's funny about that. 41 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Intro actually went to a NASCAR race the other day. Whoa, yeah, 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: how was it? Honestly it was great? It Okay, this 43 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: is this is exciting for me because I was actually 44 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: having a debate and different writer's room about whether or 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: not black people can show up to NASCAR and be 46 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: un unbothered, you know what I mean. Like I always 47 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: I thought, like, all right, I like the idea of 48 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: getting drunk and watching cars going circles. That seems fun, 49 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: but I would imagine that the community of NASCAR is 50 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: not gonna be like chill with me being there. I mean, 51 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: this was so I went. It was the first time 52 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: I've ever gone to one, and I kind of went, 53 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: I guess in that same kind of like let me 54 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: just see you know. I went with like one of 55 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: my comic friends, Brent gil I think you know Brent. Yeah. Uh. 56 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: So we go out there, we like drive to Fontana 57 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I mean there is that like thing 58 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: where it's like trumpy, right, Like there's like the fun 59 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden t shirts or whatever, and like trucks with 60 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: the big flags and stuff and as as it should 61 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: be if if ever there was a space for that, 62 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: they built that. If you build, they will come. Yeah, 63 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: I get it. But honestly, the vibe was like pretty 64 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: good other than that, And there were way more black 65 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: people than I ever expected to see, Like, way more 66 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: black people than I ever expected to see. Bro, that's 67 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: that's actually really encouraging. Yeah, I was blown away actually 68 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: by how many black people are actually there. I have 69 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: to figure that's Bubba, Like, you know, how we do it, 70 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Like there's like a black dude doing that. We're gonna 71 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: was Bubba racing? Was he was? He? Now? He was there? 72 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: How do you do? What place he come in? Look, 73 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: that's not the point. We all got to talk. Why 74 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: why are you trying to be negative? Look he was there, 75 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: that's that's what he came in a strong thirty fifth plade, 76 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: and they are saying he's one of the best thirty 77 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: fifth place performances they've ever seen. Look it wasn't his fault. 78 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, they kept they kept the police kept pulling 79 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: him over during the race. Uh No, it was like 80 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: it was honestly, man, it was like kind of fun, 81 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: Like it's like it's loud, it's like, you know, he 82 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: just kind of sitting there drinking. It's it's good. Yeah, 83 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: it seems I mean like a lot of live sports 84 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: that are more fun to obviously watching person than they 85 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: are on television. I feel this way about baseball. It's 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: one of those things where it seems like you could 87 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: check out for a while and you haven't missed a thing, 88 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: and so it's it's that's great for fucking live because 89 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: you can just talk some ship hang out and then 90 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 1: you go back and it's like, oh yeah, they're still 91 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: doing loop de loops perfect. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also 92 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: like in person, it feels like less time when they're 93 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: on the other side than it does on TV. You know, 94 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: like TV it feels like, oh, like what do you 95 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: do the other time? You know, like when they're not 96 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: right in front of you, but right there. I mean, 97 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: they're going so fast that it's like, you know, it 98 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty quick. It actually was like nowhere near 99 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: as boring as I thought it might be. And uh yeah, 100 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: it was like I don't know, it's like good energy. 101 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: They do five hundred laps, that's the deal. No, I 102 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 1: think the one I saw was like maybe a hundred 103 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: and fifty. Oh so I'm way over or something. It 104 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: wasn't like anything because I thought, like the same thing, 105 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: it was like something like two hundred, but I know 106 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: it wasn't actually two hundred laps. I think it was 107 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: like one fifty because they did like three stages, Like 108 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: I learned like a decent amount while I was there. 109 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: They do like the races and stages. Now see, I'm 110 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: gonna sunk around and go somewhere and be like what 111 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: they doing five hundred laps and then those white people 112 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: are going to have a reason to be my ass, 113 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're gonna be like, look, man, 114 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: we're cool with y'all being here, but you can't be 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: in here dumb as fuck asking questions. But it was 116 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: like yeah, then like people like wearing like his stuff, 117 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: like his like Bubba Wallace's jerseys and stuff. Yeah, it 118 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: felt he got jersey. I gotta give me a bubble 119 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: while jerky number thirty. You can get a whole Yeah, 120 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: you can get a whole jacket and everything. I love that. Okay, 121 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: we can't. We can't talk about Bubba and his hen 122 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: and against all day because you came to us with 123 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory that frankly, I don't know that I've 124 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: ever heard before, and I'm super excited to talk about 125 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: you said, my mama told me slavery with faith and 126 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: black people were already in America. I saw this on 127 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: Twitter a while back, and then apparently it's like like 128 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: b O. B is like kind of a believer in this, 129 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: Like I said, like an article I found about this, well, yes, 130 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: and I I get. I dove deep into the article 131 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: and the article is actually written by a former guest 132 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: on the show, Michael Harriet of the Route, and it 133 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: is jarring uh discovery from b O. B. That's right, 134 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: Bob has discovered that slavery in fact is a complete 135 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: ruse because he's not exactly clear why, but it's a 136 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: complete ruse because black people, I guess, we're in America 137 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: before we were originally brought here quote unquote originally brought 138 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 1: here via slave ship. Yeah, Like he like was saying, 139 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't like that. It's like shoot where you're like that's 140 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: not true, like something so easily disprovable. Like he's like, 141 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: you haven't noticed, you never see a slave ship. You 142 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: feel like you just told me you don't go to museums. Bro, 143 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: I feel like that's the only thing you told me. Okay, 144 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: So so I think based on your energy alone, I 145 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: get the sense that you're not bought in on this 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, that this is hell No you're subscribing to 147 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: and B O B is not a selling point for you. 148 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: You're not B O B doesn't make you want to 149 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: believe it more. No, bro, come on now, I look, 150 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: I'll admit I had his albums that a lot of 151 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: people did. I had his albums, but no, let me 152 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: ask you this were When when did you first discover 153 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: that B O B was is a conspiracy theorist? Was 154 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: this the one that broke you open? Or were you 155 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: aware of his earlier conspiracy theorists theories? Excuse me, I 156 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: don't know that I know of his other conspiracy theories. 157 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well he has one that that really ruined 158 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: his career. And he was an early early investor in 159 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: the flat Earth movement. He was actually one of the 160 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: first sort of like celebrity people to come forward and 161 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: be like, the Earth ain't ain't round, it's flat. And 162 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: he even went so far as to make a very 163 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: public go fund me so that he could invest in 164 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: in creating a satellite type situation so that he could 165 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: prove that the Earth is flat. He's fully invested. This 166 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: isn't just like a passive theory for him. He he 167 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: invested in a satellite. No, no, no, he invested in 168 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: setting up a go fund me so that so that 169 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the public could invest in a satellite that I guess 170 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: he was gonna build to try to figure out if 171 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: the Earth is in fact flat. I mean, you know, 172 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: sometimes you know how you go like, you know, like 173 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: some people shouldn't have money, Yeah, you know, like when 174 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: you go like somebody else should be in charge of 175 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: their money. Absolutely, And I feel like that's one of 176 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: those situations. But it's also like bad because it's like 177 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: he wasn't even gonna put his money behind it, Like 178 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm gonna start to go fund me No, 179 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: And and I would dare to say it's because he 180 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have much money left. I don't know that. Uh, 181 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: that B O B is now raking in the coin 182 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: from those early two thousand CITs that probably have carried 183 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: as long as we wish they would have. Oh god, 184 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: he spent all the Strange Clouds money. Yeah, man, it's 185 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: all gone. What was that the joint with Bruno Mars. 186 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: It's gone, it's it's done. Okay, So so you're not 187 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: bought in on Bob's conspiracy theories. That sounds like any 188 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: of them, certainly not not the current one, the most 189 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: recent one that we're talking about. No, no, no, no, 190 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: no no, I mean, how could you. That's like a 191 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: hard one. Sure, it's it's a silly it seems silly. 192 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this this now follow up question. 193 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: I guess are you a person who buys into conspiracy 194 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: theory in general? Are you like anti conspiracy theory? Are 195 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: you very much like No, the government tells us the 196 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: truth and I dig what they got going on. I don't. 197 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's those extremes. Oh you don't 198 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: like the set up, the trap that I put you win? No, 199 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that you have to be I think 200 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: you can be like I think most conspiracy theories are trash, 201 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: but I'm not. But I also don't think like, oh, 202 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, the government tells us everything the truth. But 203 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: I think, like, you know, I don't. I mean, I 204 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: think that would be like necessilly black man that believes that. Yeah, 205 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. I know he wears 206 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: a lot of polo shirts. Yeah, frankly, I don't even 207 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: know if he's still doing that. Nobody's checked on B 208 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: O B and so long that his style, his energy 209 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: has changed in a way that who knows what he looks, 210 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: who knows what he's doing. But no, no, I wouldn't 211 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: say no. I don't typically subscribe to conspiracy theories because 212 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: I feel like the thing about conspiracy theories is they 213 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: always require like a bunch of stuff to perpetuate themselves, 214 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: you know, like it's always like one of those things 215 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,359 Speaker 1: where like the second there's like evidence against the conspiracy, 216 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: they have to like use that is more evidence of 217 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: the conspiracy. You know. It's always yeah, you're like people 218 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: like that's not a thing. I have like a chart 219 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: with numbers that shows you why that's not true. And 220 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: they go, yeah, well who made that chart? They're just right, 221 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: like it's just like and I'm just not I have 222 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot of agree man, Like I just can't think 223 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: like that, you know, Like, yeah, I I think I've 224 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: talked about this before on the podcast, but when Kyrie 225 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: came out as a quote unquote flat earther, I was 226 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: actually there. He talked about it at the All Star Game. 227 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: I believe it was like seventeen. I was there shooting 228 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: a VR thing for I think it was Oculus or 229 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: some ship. I don't remember, but the point is I 230 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: was sort of like standing near the the podiums of 231 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: everything that was you know that all Stars were all 232 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: sitting around They're doing their various press conferences whatever, and 233 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: they asked Lebron actually because Kyrie had said it earlier 234 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: that morning, and then they asked Lebron because they're still 235 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: on the calves together at the time. They're like, a, Brian, 236 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: have you heard that your star teammate thinks that the 237 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Earth is flat? And then Lebron yells over to the 238 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: other podium that Kyrie is at. He goes, yo, read 239 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: you think the Earth is flat? And then you can 240 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: see Kyrie go and it's very much this is early 241 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: in Kyrie trolling doing the thing phase. I think he's 242 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: in a much different space now, but at the time 243 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: you just see Kyrie's eyes get real low and he 244 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: goes yeah, and you can tell he doesn't believe it. 245 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: But what he did sort of suggesting things that I 246 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: followed up on and things that I read, and even 247 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: Steph Curry got in trouble for some weird conspiracy theory 248 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: ship around the same time. And the point that I 249 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of these guys kept trying to make 250 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: is that history books don't always tell us the truth, 251 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: and so there's plenty of reason for us to question 252 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: the history that we have. And I think that's sort 253 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: of like the dangerous game that conspiracy theory creates because 254 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: that statement is a true history books lie to us constantly. 255 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: We're not always being presented with the truth, even in 256 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: in you know, current media. That said, there has to 257 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: be a point where you stop asking questions and you 258 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: take it at a level of face value. And if 259 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: you keep just asking more and more, well, how do 260 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: we know, how do we know? You're just trapped in 261 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: a a very dumb tunnel. Yeah, man, I used to 262 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: have a bit about how you can't question everything, like 263 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: because at a certain point you have to trust something. 264 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: Because the thing is the other thing about the conspiracy 265 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: theory people to me is they trust people. It's not 266 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: that they don't like In fact, they're like the most 267 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: trusting people I've probably ever talked to in my life. 268 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: It's always like, you know, but the difference is is 269 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: that instead of trusting the CIA. They trust like a 270 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: dude with like a clip art website, right. It Like 271 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm not saying you should trust the CIA. 272 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you should, certainly not as a black person. 273 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: They have, like you know, there's like tons of history 274 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: of like, no, they're pretty cool. Let's let's take it easy. 275 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: The CIA is fucking nailing it. We all should be 276 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: big fans, right what I'm saying, Like, you know, if 277 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna go like, Okay, I don't trust the New 278 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: York Times, but like I would, I would be more 279 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: amenable to it if you were to say, but I 280 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: also don't trust this like dude on reddit. But they're 281 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: completely all in on dude on Reddit. And that's like 282 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: so to me, it's like not that they don't trust everything. 283 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: It's like if anything, to me, they probably don't question enough. 284 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: They just question. They question anything that isn't them being 285 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: in on something. Yeah, I mean I think to some extent, 286 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: it's it's the trust. Is I trust that that there 287 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: are more questions here, and that's that's probably a good instinct, right, 288 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: Like that almost feels like some scientific method ship. But 289 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: then the questions that you're asking are falling far short 290 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: of scientific anything scientific. It's just being like, well, how 291 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: do you know? And it's like I don't, bro Like, 292 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: I can't prove every single element of this because I'm 293 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: not an expert in every field. No one is, and 294 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: so it becomes this unwinnable game that only they can 295 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: sort of like stake a flag in. Yeah, but it's 296 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: also like there are experts in fields, but sometimes like 297 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: they'll act like the person who is an expert can't 298 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: be trusted specifically because they are an expert like that 299 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of yeah, And it's like but that, like I 300 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: guess in in the end, it's like you can question everything, 301 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: m but at a certain point you have to trust 302 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: something specifically because you can't, like nobody can be an 303 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: expert in everything, like, so ultimately you have to trust 304 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: somebody about something. And you know, on balance, I'd probably 305 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: rather trust like to do with a bunch of like 306 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: degrees and stuff on it than like dude on Reddit, 307 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think there's probably a balance that 308 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: needs to be had of this probabilities wise, Yeah, I 309 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: can say, you know, I fuck with the dude on 310 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: reddit for for introducing me to questions that I had 311 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: not considered, while simultaneously acknowledging that these educated people probably 312 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: are coming from a level of no how and and 313 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: learning that is still useful to the greater good of 314 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: the world, or at least greater learning of the world. Right. 315 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: It's it's a dance, you know what I mean? Yeah, 316 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: but I also like tend to like I kind of 317 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: like operate on that, Like, yeah, you know what is 318 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: like they say, like never like attribute to malice what 319 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: you can attribute to stupidity or something like that. Like, 320 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of stuff happens because people are idiots. Yeah, 321 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: So like I don't need to like see like a 322 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: whole bunch of like lines between everything. Sometimes if like 323 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: the simplest explanation, this is probably like a big screw 324 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: up right up. Yeah, And I do think that that 325 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: also is is a thing that that conspiracy theory sometimes misses, 326 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: is that it creates like a a giant, massive conspiratorial 327 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: like everybody behind the curtain was moving perfectly to create 328 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: this dangerous mayhem whatever thing to happen, when in reality, 329 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: most of us are idiots. Like the absolutely vast majority 330 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: of the world is run and moved by idiots. Even 331 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: the people who are intelligent are only intelligent and specific 332 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: ways and often fumble in other ones. And that means 333 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: that those idiots funk up. And then that creates a 334 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: way that that sometimes people are hurt or sabotaged or 335 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: treated poorly, and we we ain't gonna apologize, so we 336 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: just invest in the in the damage that we've done 337 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: instead of just being like, oh, fuck, Steve's a dummy. 338 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. That's why that happened. Yeah, bro, 339 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: Like I feel like, Um, the other thing about it 340 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: is like it's interesting to me with like conspiracy theories 341 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times because it will be like this thing, well, 342 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: they'll be like where everything behind the scenes operated perfectly 343 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: to like make this conspiracy when like nothing works like that, 344 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: Like every like for the conspiracy to be true, like 345 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: all of the different parties and like organizations and people 346 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: and all, and none of it will get out. None 347 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: of it gets out officially. Everybody keeps their mouth shut, 348 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: nobody tells their cousin when they're drinking or something like, 349 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: none of none of that stuff ever happens, and everybody 350 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: pulls off the conspiracy perfectly. Yeah, like it's that's that's 351 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: just not how anything. Yeah, nobody's snitching, nobody's fumbling the 352 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: the truly in like super like complicated thing that's happening 353 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: in front of you. It it just is everybody's working 354 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: perfectly and it it never fumbles. But apparently on the 355 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: other side, we fumble all the time. It's yeah, it's 356 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: it's too complicated for for it to all work out 357 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: the way that the conspiracy theorists want us to believe. 358 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: That said, I think it's also more complicated than oftentimes 359 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: the history books try to break it down where it's 360 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, a few mean men did a mean thing, 361 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: and uh, those mean men are gone now and we're 362 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: all sweets ever since. Yeah, No, I don't believe that 363 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: ship either. I think you cannd like I think. I 364 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: think there's a difference between saying they don't tell you 365 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: the whole story versus that there is a completely different 366 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: story that has nothing to do with it, Like, they 367 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: obviously don't tell you the whole story, and they obviously 368 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: try to sanitize it and everything. But yeah, I don't 369 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: tend to go in too deep on conspiracy theories. There 370 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: are certain ones that I'll be like, yeah, maybe I 371 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: feel like there's probably something to that, and then they're 372 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: like other ones that are obviously have been proven true. Well, well, 373 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: let me ask you this before we go to break. 374 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: I guess I want us to get back to the 375 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory at hand. I think we've been living 376 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: a lot in theory right now, which is nice. I'm 377 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: enjoying the conversation. Don't you stop having a good convo 378 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: with me, tru. But I'm wondering if there's any element 379 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: of the conspiracy theory at hand that you are brought 380 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: into do you want to mean that? Like, basically, b 381 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: O b And and people like him are suggesting that 382 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: slave ships did not exist, and that slavery as it was, 383 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: at least as the way that we understand it didn't exist, 384 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: and that black people existed in America well before we 385 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: think they did, that we are more original to America 386 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: than than we are led to believe. Is there any 387 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: element of that where you're like, I can see what 388 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: they're doing there from the stuff I've seen, No, WHOA, 389 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: You're like like, these n is just making stuff up? Yeah, 390 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: Because to me, it's like and I guess maybe in 391 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: a way, I sort of respond viscerally to it because 392 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: in a way it feels like letting white people off 393 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: the hook in a way, Oh interesting, you know what 394 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because it feels like it's almost like they go, like, 395 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: the Atlantic slave trade is like one of the greatest 396 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: genocides in human history, and so for you to act 397 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: like it didn't exist to me is like it's like 398 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: Holocaust denial to me, Oh that's interesting, and there's like 399 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: things like that that really bother me about and so 400 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: and so. In a way, it kind of because because 401 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: from what I've seen, basically the argument is like they 402 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: tell you that so they can subjugate you, so that 403 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: you don't know that you were already here, right, But 404 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: they they the subjugation after slavery existed, whether slavery rehappened 405 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: or not, right, But in saying that it didn't, you 406 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: take a whole horrible piece of that history away and 407 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: act like it didn't happen. Arguably one of the worst 408 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: parts because of the amount of time slaves like we're 409 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, they were branded in Africa, had to walk 410 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: like hut miles and miles and miles before they even 411 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: sold put on the ships. Then the ships sat on 412 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: the coast of Africa, often for months before they even departed. 413 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: People just sat there longer on the coast of Africa, Africa, 414 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: and those tight quarters on those ships before the ship 415 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: has even left Africa to head across the Middle Passage. Right, 416 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: And you've gotten rid of all of that, and you've 417 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: turned it into all to be able to create like 418 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: a American Nigga origin story. That yeah, it's like yeah, 419 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: and I and to what purpose? Well, and to your point, 420 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: I think it the purpose almost is is not worth 421 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: the sacrifice that's being presented, right that, like the Transatlantic 422 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: slave trade is not something you can you can dismiss 423 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: or should be dismissed, rather simply to be able to say, naw, brother, 424 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: wake up. You belong in America. You are of America, 425 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: and you your history is rooted here, and so it 426 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: creates this sort of complicated dance I guess where it's like. 427 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: I think their intention is good right there, saying look, 428 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: you don't have to feel like a foreigner in your 429 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: own country. You should feel pride in sort of knowing 430 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: that you are of this land. But in doing so, 431 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: I think to your point, you're also dismissing the insane 432 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: amount of genocide, sacrifice, whatever you want to call it, 433 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: that happened before this from generation of generations of right. 434 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a I don't I don't 435 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: think it's a choice. Like I think it's like like 436 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: to me, the whole reason Black Americans have can have 437 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: pride and ownership in this land is because our blood 438 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: is in the soil. That's all. That's the entire reason. 439 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: Like this this ship is, this ship is mine. Like 440 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: that's if there's anything that kind of bothers me about, 441 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Like some of that ship were like you know, all 442 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: the like Trump eas and stuff, and they try to 443 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: like claim that man like all of the people, all 444 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: the black people that I grew up idolizing, like my 445 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: black heroes who were Americans, whether that's Malcolm X, Martin 446 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Luther King, whether that's Jackie Robinson, like, whether that's Frederick Douglas, 447 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: like whatever, Like we've fought in every single war this 448 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: country has ever had against like odds, we've fought. We've 449 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: helped build this bitch, we built the White House. Nigga. 450 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't need you to make up a fake story 451 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: for me. Like, if anything, the whole reason this is 452 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: the only shift I have is because that happened, so 453 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: like it's it's like to me, it's like a false choice. 454 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: It's like you're you're taking the reality of the pain 455 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: of this a way to give me something that I 456 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: already had. Bro Well, I'll say this, Your heroes may 457 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: have fought here, but my heroes are Kim al Ju 458 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: and Kim Tumbo, So we differ in that way. But 459 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: the Kimba was a nugget, so for me him too. 460 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Those are the only civil rights leaders I acknowledge. Is 461 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: uh former NBA centers. All right, we're gonna take a break. 462 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more Troy Walker and more, my 463 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: mama told me. And we are back. You got what 464 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: I need. Yeah, We're back here with more Troy Walker more. 465 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: My mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility 466 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: that slavery is a long con. It's a big ruse 467 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: that was played on all of us because black people 468 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: were in America to begin with. We've always been here, 469 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: they say on the internet, in their lonely little pockets 470 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: of stuff. Do you do you know at all if 471 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: that there's any truth to that side of it, that 472 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: that people were in fact originally in America before the 473 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: trends and the Atlantic slave trade introduced us. I feel 474 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: like I heard some kind of thing a long time 475 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: ago about how like supposedly some ship like there was 476 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: like some historical record thing for like ship from Africa 477 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: having like made it to the New World at some point. 478 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: But I, you know, i'd have to like dig into that, 479 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: like and you know, research it. But I feel like 480 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: I heard that like a long time ago. It's also 481 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: possible that I completely just made that ship up. Well 482 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: rest your furrow brow, Troy, because I took the time 483 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: to do some of that research, and I can tell 484 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: you that, as it turns out, there were a ton 485 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: of black people who participated in the Age of Exploration, 486 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: which was the early fifteen hundreds, and who found themselves 487 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: traveling to North, central and South America for new lives 488 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: and new opportunities. So black people were in at touching 489 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: the America's well before the Transatlantic slave trade ever happened. Now, 490 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know about like the just being aware 491 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: of like this sixteen nineteen project where they talk about 492 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, twenty something black people were 493 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: sort of like introduced to America, and I believe jonestown 494 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: and that was the beginning of the quote unquote slave 495 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: trade to the America's But at the it says, at 496 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: least from the very short and and possibly short sided research, 497 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: I did that all the way back to the early 498 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds, black people were kicking it around here. I 499 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: mean I buy that all right, Like I bought Here's 500 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: why I buy that, because you know, I was listening 501 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: as other this other podcast is like a history podcast, 502 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: is I'm like a big nerd and ship and uh, 503 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: I was talking about how it was like a thing 504 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: I had really considered just that like Africans are of 505 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: the old world and and you know, I mean there's 506 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: like a reason of Othellos are more right, Like there's 507 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: like obviously it wasn't like Europeans and there weren't aware 508 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: of black people, like that's right, and they know there 509 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: was movement between all those countries and all that kind 510 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: of stuff. Like it's it's to me, it stands to 511 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: reason that black people would have made it to America. Yeah, 512 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: in in another capacity. And I do think again, if 513 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about sort of like the intentional manipulation of history, 514 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: this feels like a great example of it is not 515 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: working to any colonizer's advantage to suggest that black people 516 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: were here before they were do you know what I 517 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: mean that Like if if early fifteen hundreds black people 518 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: were had already been traveling and already knew how to 519 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: get here and all that stuff, then that's sort of like, uh, 520 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: dismisses a lot of the the quote unquote discovery of America, 521 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: all the things that we've been told in terms of like, oh, 522 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: this is when Americans has it worst started to arrive. 523 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: So it's easier to just be like, na, man, black 524 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: people didn't come here, and so we we brought him here. 525 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, technically you are visitors or at 526 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: least unwelcomed guests in our territory, when in fact, we 527 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: were all as unwelcomed as everybody else. You know what 528 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean, We're all sneaking as motherfucker of course like that. Yeah, 529 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: that that to me, I don't have. My issue is 530 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: with like, no, slavery was fake. That's that's bullshit. Yeah, 531 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: that's my that's my issue. Yeah. No, And I think 532 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: to that point, the fact that black people existed in 533 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: America before slavery does not make slavery any less of 534 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: a real thing for the millions who were unwillingly transported 535 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: to this country. And moreover, I read in the article 536 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: about the often overlooked relationship between black people like captive 537 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: black people and Native Americans that was born during slavery. Right, Yeah, 538 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: there's like a whole broad like history of it. I think, Like, 539 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: I think my thing about that conspiracy is it's like 540 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: this weird like hotel inception thing and ends up being 541 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: self defeating. It's like it's like man like all of 542 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: this stuff, like like I was saying, like Africans of 543 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: the of the old World, Like Africans, you know, countries 544 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: had kingdoms and everything else. It stands, you know, for 545 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: thousands of years. It stands completely to read boats ropes. 546 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: Let's let's just be as frank as probably. It doesn't 547 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: matter if you have kingdoms and math and all the other. 548 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: Ship We had fucking boats and we knew how to travel, 549 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: and y'all are trying to pretend like we were just 550 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: so dumb and so naked that like we we couldn't 551 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: even figure out how to float on water. Y'all didn't 552 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: invent that ship man. Relax, Right, Yeah, of course My 553 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: thing is, just don't tell me right now to the 554 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: question or or the point of the black people in 555 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: the Native Americans, because I do think that this is 556 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: an important point that might coincide with some of what's 557 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: happening in the hotels, the b O B mindset right 558 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: the Native Americans, which I didn't realize, and it's not 559 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: something that's often, I guess promoted, advertised, published in a 560 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: lot of our history books. But Native Americans were also 561 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: forced into slavery in this country alongside their black counterparts. 562 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: Right they shared bondage, and oftentimes they found themselves in 563 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: this shared bondage hooking up. They were intermingling. They you know, 564 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: relationships were being born, and sometimes those relationships would even 565 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: go so far as to marriage. But because that marriage 566 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: between a Native American person and a black person was 567 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: considered such a taboo, they never were allowed to make 568 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: those marriages legal, and so there's very little documentation of 569 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: the actual like bonds that were built between these groups. 570 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: And subsequently, the children that were born of those relationships 571 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: were often forced into a more extreme version of slavery 572 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: because you're basically like a little cursed child, like a 573 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: little uh, what the funk is this humunculous baby that 574 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: nobody wanted, and so it just turns into this weird 575 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: game I think for the the hotels that read this 576 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: thing where we're conflating this relationship that that goes undocumented 577 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: in these relationships that no one talks about with an 578 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: origin story, these relationships weren't coming before America's started. We're 579 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: just having relationships with the people who were here before 580 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: America started and intermixing. And now your history is tied 581 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: with their history in a way that isn't being acknowledged. 582 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I mean that's you know, you put 583 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: people together, man, that's that happens. And it's just like 584 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: black indentured servants would hook up with Irish indentured servants 585 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: like you know and like all that, like the sixteen 586 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: hundreds before it was like before slavery was specifically about race, 587 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: and you know they were they were black indentured servants. 588 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: They would sometimes like have babies and stuff with you know, 589 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: these like white immigrants from Europe and stuff like that. 590 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: It's like the race based slavery, my understanding is, came 591 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: later as a way. You know, slavery had been like 592 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: a thing throughout history, but to make it specifically like 593 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: if your black, you're a slave was a very American thing. Well, yeah, 594 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: it's it's a very American thing that we do in 595 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, right, It's it's branding. We we 596 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: truly are. We We love fucking capitalism in this country 597 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: and we have since its conception, And so I think 598 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, it's like, well, what's the 599 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: easiest way to ensure that our slaves remain slaves and 600 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: don't start finding upward mobility? We base it off of 601 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: their skin color, and that they can't dismiss your skin 602 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: You can say you ain't Irish, you can say you 603 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: ain't Italian, you can pretend to be not Jewish or 604 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: whatever the funk it is that that we were attempting 605 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: to attach to people's shame. But black, that's its permanent baby, 606 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: and Native American y'all dark too, We'll fuck you up 607 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: the same way, yeah, man, And I think like that 608 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: that thing, there's something to the like, they're all these 609 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: other aspects of the history that aren't told the same way. 610 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: What I think the issue with and what they're doing 611 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: is they go there all these other aspects of the 612 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: history are told the same way. So that breaks It's 613 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: like they go like the percentage of it overall in 614 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: the in the whole like spectrum of the history of 615 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: slavery and everything. Right like they dismissed like the seventy 616 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: five of it because isn't as as well documented or 617 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: as well publicized. Right like you watch like documentaries on slavery. 618 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: They basically talked about the biggest part. They don't talk 619 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: about the Native American part as much. They don't talk 620 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: about if they do it all whatever. But that is 621 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 1: not a reason to dismiss the slave trade. No, And 622 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: it's it's similar in an odd way. I didn't know 623 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 1: this either, but there were also Native Americans who owned 624 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: black slaves. There were black people who owned slaves. Yeah, 625 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: that that this is a more complicated thing than just 626 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: being like white people devil, Black people good, Nave Americans good. 627 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: But like you know, there were people who were just 628 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: taking advantage of the the times and the financial institutions 629 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: at play, and they were able to own slaves. But 630 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: even during their ownership, the intermingling, much in the way 631 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: that we saw with the whites was still happening. And 632 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: so it is it is creating even more complicated inconvenient 633 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: conversations to say, like the slave owners were sucking the 634 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 1: slaves and they didn't really want to be slave owners sometimes, 635 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: but it was the best way to make money. And 636 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: here's this and that and all of these things, when 637 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: the reality is the easiest way to settle all of 638 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: this is just to be like, we brought you here 639 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: at at this point, you showed up, and we yelled 640 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: at you for a while, beat the ship out of you, 641 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: and then we let you go. Problem solved. Everybody's free, 642 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 1: and now we get to move on with America as 643 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: it is. And it's like, yeah, I think there's a 644 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: few more things going on here, fellas. Oh yeah, there's 645 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: a ton more going on. Yeah, man, I was like, 646 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: I actually was like reading this thing the other day 647 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: about this woman as a black woman who had been 648 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: a slave and then she got her freedom, and I 649 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: forget how I think she may be married like some 650 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: into some money or whatever and like went out and 651 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: got slaves as soon as she could. Yeah, like and 652 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: like has like uh like a there's like a historical 653 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: plantation I think in Florida that was like a black 654 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: owned plantation, which is like one of the wildest fucking 655 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: things you could think about, right, Yeah, it's like a 656 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: national like landmark. I guess, I mean, I it seems 657 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: less wild. I guess if she wasn't a former slave, 658 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: like if it was just a lady who was like, hmm, 659 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: I can't wait to own me a nigger. That seems 660 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: I can't see how you make it to that point 661 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: as a black person in this country. But if you 662 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: went through it the idea of being like, as soon 663 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: as I get out, I'm gonna put someone else through 664 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, it was so wild, 665 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: man Like I went down like a whole like internet 666 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: like rabbit hole, like just read, just reading about craziness. Damn. 667 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: I hope I'm not related to her, you know. That's 668 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: that's a part of our history. So much of our 669 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: our history as black people has cut off from us, 670 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: and and some of it is intentional, and some of 671 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: it is just our our families don't track that stuff 672 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: the same way that white historians have have long sort 673 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: of made the checkpoints for track. But that eighty, well, 674 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: it stopped at the water. We tried to trace it back, don't. 675 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what country we came from, but I 676 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: guess Maryland is where I started. But that said, I 677 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: do feel like a bunch of us. At some point 678 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: they're gonna start figuring out that, like we just had 679 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: black slave owners and our family white ones. You know 680 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: what I mean That we're just maybe maybe you'll be 681 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,959 Speaker 1: the first person on talking to Henry Lewis Gates would 682 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: be the first black dude to get that. He goes 683 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: like this and you go, he's just gonna look at 684 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: my papers and be like, hey, can we come to 685 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: commercial fellas. Uh. I don't know if this one is 686 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: as good of an episode as the previous, Like this 687 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: is what your grandmother did, and you go, oh, not me, 688 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: Oh guy, Oh, Henry, let's talk tons again. It was 689 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: much better when you talk to nas. Yeah, somebody has 690 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: to be the first black person to be embarrassed on 691 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: finding your roots. Well, I guess I'm willing if it 692 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: means more TV time, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. 693 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: I will be the first person to come forward as 694 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: the descendant of a black slave owner. Exciting times for me, 695 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: terrible news for the rest of America. All Right, we're 696 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: gonna say one more break. We'll be back with Marsry 697 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: Walker I'm what my mama told me, and we all 698 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: back anyway. Yeah, we're back here with more Troy Walker. More. 699 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: My mama told me. We're still talking about the fact 700 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: that the slave trade may be a long con. It 701 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: might be a big old trick that that the white 702 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: man is playing on us because we've been Americans this 703 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: entire time. Is what is what they're saying, and Troy 704 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,879 Speaker 1: does not believe it. He's furious at the idea. He'll 705 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: beat your ass. B o b That's what he said 706 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: during break. If I see that, nigga, I'm a punch 707 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: himent of the clouds and in the strange clouds. Okay, 708 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: I want I have a few more, I guess research 709 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: points that I'd love to unpack with you because one 710 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: of the first questions that I asked myself as I 711 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: was sort of sitting down to look through all of 712 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: this is, and I'm maybe a little embarrassed to say it, 713 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: but the question that popped in my head is why 714 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: don't we see more slave ships? You know, because like 715 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: to your point, there there are a few museums that 716 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: have remnants and sort of like pieces of slave ships 717 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: or ships that transported slaves, but it's not as if, like, 718 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: given the scale of what the trans Atlantic slave trade was, 719 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: it's not as if we're seeing a ship ton of 720 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: them or even know where all of them, any of them, 721 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: frankly ended up. And so that was the question that 722 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: I immediately asked myself. Now, I have some answers, but 723 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: I have a feeling you have an answer on the 724 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: tip of your tongue as to why we haven't seen them. 725 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I figured I didn't research. It's 726 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: that's not your responsibility, like I know, like, uh, like 727 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: the Smithsonian have some stuff, and like some others have 728 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: some stuff in there. Like I figured it was probably 729 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: because they were mostly would and uh, I figured that 730 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 1: was probably a significant part of it. I also figured, 731 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: it's not exactly like the kind of ship that like 732 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: at the time they were trying to like you know, 733 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: cot and lacquer and keep around, you know what I mean, 734 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: Like like this, like again, what you do that with 735 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: Like oh, this ship, this ship took out six British frigates, 736 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: right like the Revolutionary War. I get what you save 737 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: that one. I don't know if you I don't know 738 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: if you necessarily go through the effort to like you 739 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: probably take it apart and build something frigates African niglets 740 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: one of them, one of those. Yeah, it wasn't like 741 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: they didn't know slavery was bad at the time. Like 742 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it's like the same, like you know, 743 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: like sometimes they like in a way people will act 744 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: like they didn't know, but they like they were well 745 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: aware they knew slavery was bad. I don't know that 746 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: anybody would trying to like right, there had to be 747 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: people on the boat being like, hey, not gonna lie. 748 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: This is fucked up. I know we can pay you. 749 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really happy to be working with you fellas, 750 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: but this is pretty fucked up. The original Declaration of 751 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: Independence that Thomas Jefferson wrote called out King George saying like, 752 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: how dare you have introduced slavery? You stole Like it's 753 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: like they knew. Yeah. And to that point, I've done 754 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: a fair amount of research on Thomas Jefferson's black ass, 755 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: and uh, that's for the listeners. They know that he's 756 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: secretly mixed. But the point is Thomas Jefferson, actually, despite 757 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,360 Speaker 1: having owned slaves, was super anti slavery. He like wrote 758 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: constantly about like man slaveries trash and then would go 759 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: fuck a slave later that night who who did not 760 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: want to be a part of that. It wasn't like 761 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 1: they were making love that these were unwilling fox. Yeah, 762 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I mean it's not like this, but 763 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: like it's like this. It's like how always a good 764 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: start to an analogy. Like I'll be like, man, like, man, 765 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: what Kanye's doing. He's like tripping, but like I'll buy 766 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,439 Speaker 1: any album he makes. There's like you know what I mean, 767 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: Like I'll be like, oh, this is like horrible. Like 768 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: he's like he's like stalking hers like all this stuff. 769 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: And then like he'll put out like I saw like 770 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: that video where he you know, berries Pete Davidson up 771 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: to his neck and on and stuff, and I was like, man, 772 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: that's like awful. This motherfucker's crazy. And then it was 773 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: the first thing I played when I got in my 774 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: car ship So you are I love, I'm awful, I'm terrible. 775 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: Well to you and you said you you said would, 776 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: and I a part of me wanted to do to 777 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey good answer, good? You know what I mean? 778 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: What can I say? Would? He's saying, uh it turns 779 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: out that, to your point, most of the materials that 780 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: slave ships were made of weren't exactly going to make 781 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: tests stand the test of time. Right, what is a 782 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: very flimsy, easily deteriorating material, and between shipwrecks and time, 783 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: the once powerful slave ships were no longer able to 784 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: hold up the same Because I got me thinking like, well, 785 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: is that actually true for all of these other famous 786 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 1: ships that we've heard of over time, and the same 787 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: apparently as true for ships like the Mayflower. The Mayflower 788 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: no one has seen in any version of recent history, 789 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 1: and many believe the ship was scrapped for timber and 790 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,280 Speaker 1: other recyclable materials. And I to your your grander point 791 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: about the not wanting to keep these things around, I 792 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: have to assume that with the fall of the trans 793 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: atlantic slave trade, those ships likely face stay similar fate 794 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 1: where they were recycled by the owners who could probably 795 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: no longer afford to keep these deteriorating ships with no 796 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,720 Speaker 1: niggers at the bottom. You know what I mean. If 797 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 1: you can't keep the blacks at the bottom, these ships 798 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: are fucking worthless and carry quite a bit of shame 799 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,800 Speaker 1: with them. So we're gonna we'll turn those into uh 800 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: panels for people's houses. Yeah, it's like UH, as a kid, 801 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: you ever build like a lego thing that you're real 802 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: proud of and then like you needed the legos for 803 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: something else, and you might not want to take it apart, 804 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: but you do. But now imagine that those legos were evil. 805 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: I think about how fast you would take it apart? 806 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,799 Speaker 1: Right now? What if those legos killed your grandma? Now 807 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: would you take that? Imagine if your entire family for 808 00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: the rest for generations would be shamed by that go 809 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,280 Speaker 1: house you built, It might change your mind about the plays. 810 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: How fast you would take it apart. You're taking apart 811 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: real fast. I love that. So in thinking about I 812 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: guess the slave ships and the pieces that are often 813 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: that that go missing. I found this article on National 814 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: Geographic about a group that had uncovered UH It's called 815 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: Portugal's sal Jose Paquette Day Africa. It was a slave 816 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,720 Speaker 1: ship that sets sail from Mozambique in destined for Brazil 817 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: and basically never made it. A whole bunch of people 818 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: died on that slave ship. And these black divers, these 819 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: black scuba scuba divers are where the main people sort 820 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: of leaving leading this excavation of the this this famous 821 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: slave ship, which I thought was extremely telling. You know, 822 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: black scuba divers are the only motherfucker's looking for this ship, right, Yeah, 823 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: because I don't know if it's like imagine being like 824 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 1: the white dude who's like, well, I'm gonna find me's 825 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: some slaves. What did you say? It was called? Again? 826 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: You you're gonna make me say it again? Sal Jose 827 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: Paquette day Africa. Yeah, I want to just say it 828 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: again because it reminds me of like me trying to 829 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: like order on the menu that I I'll take the 830 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: sal Jose for this one. I'm not even gonna pretend 831 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,280 Speaker 1: to do Portuguese because I know it's not a Spanish accent, 832 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: but I know it's not far. I just embarrassed myself 833 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 1: if I even attempted. So I'm just gonna stick with 834 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: the worst American version of it. Yeah. That's like, yeah, 835 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 1: like when you go like, uh, your goal out of 836 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: the country, like you know, like in some other country 837 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: you don't speak the language, and you're like, um, you 838 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,719 Speaker 1: try to say it. Yeah. I I always find that 839 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 1: when I travel, I it about I get about three 840 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,799 Speaker 1: attempts in before I completely revert to asking for the 841 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,839 Speaker 1: dude that can speak English to come help me with 842 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Like, I'll like, I went to Mexico 843 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,440 Speaker 1: City a couple of years ago and I was like 844 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,919 Speaker 1: by myself trying to figure some sh it out, and 845 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: after about three attempts, I was like, you know what, y'all, 846 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: I ain't gotta do this, and you don't need me 847 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,280 Speaker 1: to do this. There's enough of you that speak English. 848 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 1: And I apologize for being the ignorant American who needs this, 849 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: but I can't keep attempting to use my remedial Spanish 850 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: and failing this major league. Yeah, man, I did the 851 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: same thing in Montreal. I was like, I once I 852 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: tried to pay with American money at a thing, and 853 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,280 Speaker 1: it's like it got really mad at me. I didn't 854 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 1: mean to. I thought it would be like a good 855 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 1: feel like every black person feels like you're gonna be 856 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 1: a better tourist, like an international tourist than like what 857 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,479 Speaker 1: you hear white people are like. And now not even 858 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,880 Speaker 1: a little bro Nope, not even for a second, not 859 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 1: even black countries. Once to Jamaica and we stayed at 860 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 1: a resort and it was My entire family was just 861 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,360 Speaker 1: it was just black people complaining about the food about 862 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,720 Speaker 1: like it's too salty, and they're just stucking their teeth 863 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,399 Speaker 1: and rolling their eyes at you, just like, man, well, 864 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: I guess this is what they did to us. So 865 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: to the slave ship conversation, one of the things that 866 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,439 Speaker 1: you said that I think is really important. It's part 867 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: of the reason we're not uncovering these remnants of this 868 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 1: history is because white people aren't eagerly investing the efforts 869 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: or the manpower to uncover this history. And this is 870 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,920 Speaker 1: actually a direct quote from the article that I this 871 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,480 Speaker 1: puts it in perspective in a really jarring way. But 872 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,280 Speaker 1: there are there were over twelve thousand ships making over 873 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: forty voyages over two hundred fifty years of slave trade. 874 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,360 Speaker 1: To date, there are only five five slave ships in 875 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: maritime history in the database. Why is that five? There's 876 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 1: only five five ships? What do you when you say 877 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,839 Speaker 1: in the in the maritime database, what do you mean 878 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: like that you can go visit, meaning that there are 879 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: only five that they actually were that they've documented as 880 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 1: their purpose was for transit transferring black people. As far 881 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: as I'm understanding that, like they have five ships that 882 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: they know for sure they can prove had black people 883 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: on them transferring them to the these various places. I 884 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,959 Speaker 1: mean that seems low because I know there's like there's 885 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: like documented like companies that they had in Europe that 886 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: that was like that they would literally call themselves like 887 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,400 Speaker 1: the black like the Black Shipping like whatever. Like. Yeah, No, 888 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 1: I think I think part of it is an intentional 889 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 1: sort of like erasing of that documentation after that. It's 890 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 1: not it's not that they never documented it, it's that 891 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: since then they did a lot of work to sort 892 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: of like squeaky squeaky, squeaky clean that that situation. Yeah, 893 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,280 Speaker 1: And I think like after like because they banned the 894 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:26,560 Speaker 1: importation of slaves in like eighteen o eight, so after 895 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,720 Speaker 1: that it was illegal. Most of most of those slave 896 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: runs would have been illegal, So you probably don't, you know, 897 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: keep like records of it. But then yeah, they probably do, 898 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,359 Speaker 1: like didn't exactly take that much care and trying to 899 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 1: keep up with it. No, and for what did you know, 900 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: what do you want to tell people about this for 901 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: cut it out? I don't know, man, That's what I'm saying. 902 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,960 Speaker 1: I think like it's one of those things where as 903 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,880 Speaker 1: if you if you remember that people at the time 904 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: knew it was bad. Like a lot of stuff to 905 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: me starts to fall into place where you go like, yeah, 906 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: they probably didn't want to like maintain the records the 907 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: same way they probably didn't wanna maintain the ships and 908 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: like evidence of it, the same way. They probably were 909 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,239 Speaker 1: faster to repurpose stuff in ways that they wouldn't have 910 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,440 Speaker 1: otherwise to go like, oh, we used to use this 911 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,839 Speaker 1: ship for that, like now it's use it for this, 912 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 1: and not say anything about what we used to use 913 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: it for like that exactly. I think. I think the 914 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,360 Speaker 1: larger point that the quote is trying to make is 915 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: that these documentations are being erased and then subsequently the 916 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: ships are being repurposed, and so now we only have 917 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,879 Speaker 1: five ships that we can actually point to and say 918 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,760 Speaker 1: we know for sure this existing piece of material held 919 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,880 Speaker 1: the bodies of of black people being transferred from this 920 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: place to the next. So those five like currently exact, 921 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: like you can go see them. That's my understanding. Yeah, 922 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,840 Speaker 1: See that's okay. See I was confused. I thought you 923 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: were saying like in like written record, No, no, no, 924 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,879 Speaker 1: I think they have more records of of people being transferred, 925 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,439 Speaker 1: although I don't know that they have nearly as many 926 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: records as the amount of people transferred in the amount 927 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,640 Speaker 1: of trips. I think for the current existing like they 928 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 1: they have five for sure. This is the body of 929 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: the ship that transferred these people at the time, right, Okay, 930 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: that makes more sense because I was like, man, like, 931 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: they only know the names of five of them, no more. Yeah, 932 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,480 Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. That's why I was like, 933 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 1: I misunderstood you. I was like, if it was just five, 934 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 1: if there's more Jackson's than there are names of ships, 935 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 1: and maybe B O B is right, and and we're 936 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: foolish to be having this conversation. Yeah, I misunderstood you. Okay, 937 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 1: you can go visit five. Yeah, so like that, I 938 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 1: don't know that I I don't know. That's like one 939 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 1: of those things where you go, like would I want 940 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 1: to visit a slave ship as a black man. They 941 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 1: used to make us do it in like middle school 942 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: and ship where you it wasn't we visited a slave ship, 943 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: but you had to like we went to the museum 944 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 1: and they would make you lay on the ground and 945 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: do the thing where like you had to lay side 946 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,960 Speaker 1: by side with the other kids to to feel what 947 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 1: it was like to be in the you know, the 948 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: cargo of these ships. And uh, yeah, you don't need 949 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 1: to do that. You could just tell me, you know, 950 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,480 Speaker 1: I don't. You don't need to feel that. Maybe that's 951 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: better for white students. Maybe they need that that experience, 952 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,480 Speaker 1: that empathy to sort of flight kick in. For me, 953 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: I was like, this feels fucking dumb. Why am I? 954 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 1: Why am I here? I ain't nobody my grandma did that. 955 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: It also doesn't like exactly work when you're gonna like 956 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 1: get up in a second and they're gonna be like, 957 00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: all right, so here's everybody's sandwiches. Yeah, all right, lunchables. 958 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,520 Speaker 1: Uh if you got if you got the pizza lunchable 959 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 1: and you stand in this line and everybody else this way. Yeah, 960 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,840 Speaker 1: it's like that wasn't like. But I do think there's 961 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,360 Speaker 1: like an overall treatment of slavery that is in some 962 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:23,640 Speaker 1: ways not serious in in a general sense, like I 963 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,200 Speaker 1: I it's like it's like how people will have a 964 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:32,160 Speaker 1: plantation wedding, right, or how like a plantation Like there 965 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: are plantations all over the South that are like airbnb 966 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: s now right, or like you can go on YouTube. 967 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 1: I did this the other day. I got so man, 968 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,600 Speaker 1: I got so fucking mad. You can go on YouTube, 969 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 1: you know how people will do like the video real 970 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 1: estate tours and like this lady starts off and goes 971 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,959 Speaker 1: so I just want to start off by saying that 972 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: this this house did have enslaved workers, but all of 973 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,640 Speaker 1: the like slave stuff has been torn down, Like it 974 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 1: was like a selling point, like don't worry the cabin. Yeah, 975 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 1: don't worry the slaves. They got booted a while ago. 976 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: But I could totally move into the Like that kind 977 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,880 Speaker 1: of thing is crazy when you really think about it, right, 978 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, to the larger point that you 979 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: made early in the conversation, there's there's a real danger 980 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,880 Speaker 1: in our willingness to dismiss or skip over the scale 981 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: and weight and importance of all of these things. And 982 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,040 Speaker 1: while I don't want to find myself in some situation 983 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,920 Speaker 1: where like I'm constantly yelling at people because of slavery, 984 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: I do think that like we we need to find 985 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 1: some sort of balance in saying like, hey dog, we 986 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: don't just get to pretend like these plantations you've preserved 987 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,160 Speaker 1: don't come with the costs, don't didn't weren't built on 988 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,400 Speaker 1: the lives of a lot of people who made sacrifices 989 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,240 Speaker 1: they didn't even want to make. They weren't even that 990 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,480 Speaker 1: heroic in that sense. They didn't come here to be 991 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 1: like I want to help America find it's it's voice. 992 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Like that wasn't the ship. They were forced into this 993 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 1: ship and y'all then get to celebrate off of their bones. 994 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: That's that's weird. Ye. Yeah, I don't think there's any 995 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: like responsibility to be like constantly angry or yelling at me, 996 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 1: but I do think it's important for me to be 997 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: aware of how bad it was. Yeah, as far as 998 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 1: informing my conception of self and conception of self within 999 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: this nation. Doesn't mean I don't have proud like pride 1000 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: in it, but if but part of that comes from 1001 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,760 Speaker 1: the rise, right, like from people going from about the 1002 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 1: lowest station they could to like we Tunnias on TV Bro. Yeah, 1003 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I can take pride 1004 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: in that like while knowing it. At the same time, 1005 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,360 Speaker 1: I don't need be ob to like make up a 1006 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,920 Speaker 1: thing and like dismissed this for me to like own it, 1007 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: you know. So just to be clear, you take no 1008 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 1: pride in the lessons from b Ob not one. Damn 1009 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,360 Speaker 1: well bl b uh. This is a great episode for us, 1010 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,360 Speaker 1: devastating episode for you, b O B. I don't think 1011 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 1: you get to walk away from this episode unscathed as 1012 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,959 Speaker 1: much as you thought you might have at the beginning. Hey, 1013 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you put yourself out there. B O B. 1014 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: Was just putting himself out there and it didn't work 1015 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,160 Speaker 1: out for him. But this is great. Troy, could you 1016 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: this is a fun episode. Could you tell the people 1017 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 1: where they can find you and what cool ship you 1018 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,840 Speaker 1: have going on? They can find me on Twitter and 1019 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:51,080 Speaker 1: Instagram at Troy Walker e s Q. Hell yeah, And uh, 1020 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just right and right for the show 1021 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,200 Speaker 1: doing stand up. Watch watch Jimmy Kimmel alive. Maybe you 1022 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 1: see some of my nonsense. All right, Well, watch the 1023 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: ma cam O Live. Follow Troy on on Instagram and Twitter, 1024 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,240 Speaker 1: do all of that stuff. And as always, you can 1025 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,000 Speaker 1: follow me at Lankston Kerman on all platforms. Would love 1026 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,720 Speaker 1: for you to do that. I fucking love it. And uh, 1027 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,840 Speaker 1: watch bus Down. It's on Peacock. It's it's a nonsense 1028 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: show I made with my friends, and I would love 1029 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 1: for more of you to see it. 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