1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye 2 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as 3 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: always so much for tuning, and this is part two 4 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: of our continuing mission to explore how Star Trek almost 5 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: didn't become a thing. With big special thanks are super 6 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: producer and research associate for this series, Mr Max Williams. 7 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: Here here on Earth they called me Ben, they call 8 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: you Noel and Noel. Before we got into a lot 9 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: of this research, I knew Star Trek had some dodgy 10 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: times and it's earlier day, but I personally did not 11 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: know how close it came to being canceled just so often. Yeah, 12 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: because it's just, you know, it's just something that we've 13 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: always known ever since we were a kid, whether it 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: was the thing that we you know, really got our 15 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: gears turning as far as particular sci fi properties or not. 16 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: It's just ubiquitous, you know. And a big part of 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: that I think had maybe more to do with the 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: movies than the series itself, because, like you mentioned in 19 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: the top of episode one here, Star Wars began its 20 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: life as in the cinema, you know, and became a 21 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: cultural phenomenon the areas we got our we got another 22 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: costume change going on with Vader here, who never actually 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: said Luke, I am your father. He said, uh, something similar. 24 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: Also just like Ricky, that's right. And also Lucy, Ricky 25 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: never famously never actually said Lucy, you got some splaining 26 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: to do. He said some iteration of that. That was Lucy, 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I am your father. Yeah, that's that's the And another one, 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: uh Kirk never said, never said not once. Uh So 29 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: we've got we've got this strange tale about something that 30 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: has become bedrock foundation of pop culture. And we introduced 31 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: you to be Joe Betty Tremble, Betty Joe Tremble, who 32 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: is known as the woman who saved Star Trek by 33 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: leading a letter writing campaign that got it to a 34 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: third season. We ended on. We ended at a crossroads 35 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: because NBC had baked in a poison pill to their 36 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: third season. They dramatically cut the budget, the quality of 37 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: the show suffered, and it looked like the third season 38 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: was going to be the last hurrah. But we had 39 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: a bit of a silver lining because three seasons means 40 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: a show can get into syndication. When a show gets 41 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,559 Speaker 1: into syndication, that means the reruns can go anywhere, everywhere, 42 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: any time a network has a free slot, whether four 43 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: pm or whether eleven am. Right, because in those days, um, 44 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't the kind of mega, big dollar syndication 45 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: deals that we know of today, like with things like 46 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: Seinfeld and all of that, and all the different licensing 47 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: deals that go into having shows appear on streaming services 48 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: and all that. This was just more of kind of 49 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: like a way of filling time. Even if a show 50 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: wasn't a hit. They owned the intellectual property, the studios 51 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: and the networks owned the show, so they it was 52 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: fair game for them to fill out their schedules. Uh, 53 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: at a time where it was very important to have 54 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: something on the air during that broadcast day. Yeah, because 55 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: you'll still have some costs associated with airing reruns. Right, 56 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: people get checks every time a show is back on 57 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: the air, but it's still much much less expensive than 58 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: making something new out of whole cloth and hoping that works. 59 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: So this indication, it turns out to be the reason 60 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: that you know about Star Trek today. We want to 61 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: shout Devin Maloney who wrote boldly going where no man 62 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: or woman had gone before over at Rookie mag dot com. 63 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: So let's paint the picture for you. You're in the 64 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: nineties seventies, you own a television, You're you're watching TV. 65 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: UHF stations all over the United States would buy the 66 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: rights to re air part of all of those three 67 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: seasons of Star Trek, and so this show began to 68 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: hit airwaves on a daily basis, which meant that people 69 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: would missed it the first time around were much more 70 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: likely to see it this time. And kids and young 71 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: adults loved it. This was perfect for them. The war 72 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 1: in Vietnam had closed, people were walking on the moon, 73 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of folks who found Star 74 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: Trek at the right time in their lives. A brighter 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: future seemed ahead now that we knew real life astronauts 76 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: could go to the move. It didn't seem two out 77 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: of bounds to think future humans could explore the stars. Yeah, 78 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: more Zeitgeist the stuff. It was already kind of within 79 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: the realm of possibility and Star Trek you know from 80 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: this well, I mean, and I know there's the whole 81 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: like you know, kirk Um having dalliances with green women 82 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: and fighting kind of bad rubber monsters like in you know, 83 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: in the desert or what are in these desert planet 84 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: kind of situations but orn. But the basis of Star 85 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Trek was a somewhat believable future wherein we we did, 86 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: we are able to you know, populate the stars and 87 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: live in the sort of idyllic kind of you know utopia, 88 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, in space. So it really was something that 89 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: kind of captured people's imaginations in a very big way. Look, 90 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: there's also a role that Star Wars played in this. 91 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: Just holding on my Darth Vader mask again, because these 92 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: reruns of a show that had been canceled were becoming 93 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: incredibly popular, and the Star Wars universe was a blockbuster 94 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: film event. Paramount had acquired the rights to Star Trek 95 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: from Lucille's Lucille Balls Studio Desilou, and they said, you 96 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: know what, there's a lot of interest here. People like 97 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: space movies. Let's take this crew to the big screen. 98 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: And that's when the first Star Trek film comes out. 99 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Nine nine. Star Trek called in a burst of creativity 100 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: the motion picture, which you know, felt like a four 101 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: thirty on a Friday decision, But it was okay, it 102 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: was all right, I want a barn store picture. Yes, Max, 103 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: you have this in the notes. Yeah, but they did 104 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: have a sequel just a few years later, Star Trek 105 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: to the Wrath of Con much better title and super 106 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: interesting story. If you saw the original episode that inspired it, 107 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: that's right, And and it had a bona fide movie 108 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: star in it as well, with Ricardo Monta bomb Um 109 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: playing this villain or reprising his role as the the 110 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: titular con and and then you know, portraying his wrath 111 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: in Star Trek two. I gotta I gotta interjected, are 112 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: we are we gonna do some con screams? Yeah, I 113 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: was gonna say, can we play the clip the con clip? 114 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: Or basically if if legal won't let us get away 115 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: with it? It's this you have to shake your face 116 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: in a very uncontrollable red really read real scenery chewing. 117 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: It's it's sort of the equivalent of the space equivalent 118 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: of like the part in them in any you know 119 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: kind of B movie where it actor drops to his 120 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: knees and just shakes roof, you know, to show you 121 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: the full extent of the uncarried universe. Look, the Wrath 122 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: of Cod slaps. It is a good film, and uh, 123 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: the original series for two decades, for twenty years, it 124 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: gets all these excellent ratings anytime it's in syndication and 125 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: be broadcast, and the other films do well at the 126 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: box office, especially wrath of con by. Paramounts starts calling 127 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: this once derided universe it's crown jewel of programming, and 128 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: they get Gene back on the scene and they say, 129 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: all right, let's make a new Star Trek series. What 130 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: what one for the kids? And that when ultimately gets 131 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: bogged down in production limbo right production all they call it. 132 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes their concerns about the budget, legal concerns about usage 133 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: rights and so on, but Paramount and Gene still agree 134 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: that they want a new iteration of Star Trek. Eventually, 135 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: what they developed becomes called Star Trek the Next Generation 136 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: or st tn G for the the for the fans. 137 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: But still, you know, it's weird to me is despite 138 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: the fact that this was now recognized as a license 139 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: to print money, a lot of networks still weren't willing 140 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: to green light the next generation. NBC and ABC said 141 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: we'll do a pilot, no further, CBS and Fox, which 142 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: was a thing by then, said they came with these 143 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: weird kind of half measure offers like let's do it 144 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: as a as a limited mini series, you know, a 145 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: made for TV kind of long film. So Paramount and 146 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: Gene say, you know what, We're gonna skip the networks entirely. 147 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: We're not gonna us with the big three ABC, CBS, NBC. 148 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: We're going to go straight to smaller TV stations around 149 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: the country. I want to do a quick uh Noel 150 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: Brown famous walk back. Marcrdo. Montalban wasn't exactly a list 151 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: movie star at the time. He was much more known 152 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: for television roles, um and I think he was probably 153 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: a bigger star uh in Latin America than he was 154 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: in in the United States. And I think he got 155 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: a lot of acting um experience playing kind of a 156 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: foreign villain, you know, like which was very much a 157 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: trope of the time. You know, anybody with an accent 158 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: and he looked a little bit different would often be 159 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: cast as a villain. And of course that's where he 160 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: was cast as here. But if you look at his IMDb, 161 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: a lot of TV work. He was also on Fantasy 162 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Island and and things like that, like I think Hawaii 163 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: five Oh a little later, but um so he was 164 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: kind of still in this middle ground of of of icon, 165 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, and he really I think it's probably eight 166 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: too many known most for his portrayal of of con 167 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: That's how I know him. Back to the setup of 168 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: the of something unprecedented and very smart the Paramount and 169 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: Gene Roddenberry do. It's kind of similar to how when 170 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: Ellen Musk gluvemar hate him uh got Tesla to a 171 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: point where you didn't have to go to a dealership. 172 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: You could buy Tesla cars directly from the manufacturer. These 173 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: guys were selling their products Star Trek directly to individual 174 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: network affiliates and independent stations, and this made them able 175 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: to circumvent so much bureaucracy and red tape and studio politics. 176 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: They were selling the Next Generation directly to the TV 177 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: stations that would air it, and eventually Gene and Paramount 178 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: start distributing the shows directly to fans, and they circumvent 179 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: major broadcast outfits all together. They're getting past the fat cats. 180 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: The Next Generation comes out in seven and it's on 181 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty seven local stations across the country. 182 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: At the end of its run, it was and remains 183 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: the most successful Star Trek series of all times. Seven seasons, 184 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: great ratings, throughout all seven of those seasons, even after 185 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: the man himself, Jeane Roddenberry, sadly passes away in nineteen one. 186 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: And there's a there's a line that you pulled, Max, 187 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: that really really stood out to me, and I think 188 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: to all of us talking about how Star Trek almost died. 189 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: This is that Entertainment Weekly article. This is from June four. 190 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: We may have mentioned this in part one. The thing is, 191 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: this is an epic comeback, and we'll just give you 192 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: the quote here. In the years since Star Trek has 193 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: exploded into an entertainment phenomenon of galactic proportions, reruns of 194 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: the original series are still broadcast hundreds of times a 195 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: day and have been translated into forty seven languages. Among 196 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: his stellar offspring or six feature films, which have earned 197 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: more than four dred and seventy million dollars, two sequel series, 198 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: Star Trek The Next Generation and Star Trek Deep Space 199 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: nine currently TVs top rated syndicated dramas. Here's Max's favorite line. 200 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: Not even Spock could have calculated the odds on a 201 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: comeback like that. Spot. What what's the other spot? Quote? 202 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: The needs of the many needs a few long and 203 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: prosper had a lot of great quotes. You can argue 204 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: here was the true star of the original series, to 205 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: William Shatner's chagrin, Oh yeah, and uh, you know, it's 206 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: no secret now that there were a lot of rough 207 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: patches for the original cast in terms of stardom, in 208 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: terms of things as small as like who gets to 209 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: say the h an amount of lines in an episode? 210 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: But you know, fame is never a dent uh angel 211 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: fart said and trumpets, there's always it's always something it 212 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: comes along with it. But they made history and it 213 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: looked like Star Trek was finally here to stay, or 214 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: was it. Yeah, it kind of had a bit of 215 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: a period of I guess, let's just say, not greatness. 216 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: It sort of fell into kind of a bit of 217 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: a dul drum kind of period, wouldn't you say, Max, 218 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: How would you describe this as a as a fan? Yeah, 219 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I think adult rum is a good way to describe it. 220 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it just feels like at one point it 221 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: was just too much Star Trek. It was constant and 222 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: it had been on the air for so long, and 223 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: some of the series were less creative. I'm tak a 224 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: shot D S nine that's obviously my favorite series. That 225 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: was great, but it just kind of was like Star 226 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: Treks on, like it always on, Right, Yeah, there was 227 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: you could also call this a threshold of diminishing returns. Right. 228 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: You could see Star Trek the original series on all 229 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: the time, but you had probably seen all of the episodes, 230 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, and the Yeah, there's there's kind of a 231 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: low point, not quite a Nader, but there's definitely kind 232 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: of a slump in the story here. So Star Trek 233 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: six The Undiscovered Country comes out, and after it, the 234 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: cast of the original Star Trek the they're not doing 235 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in that universe. You'll see them 236 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: make cameo appearances, you will see them show up at 237 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: um maybe conventions or publicity runs. The next generation also 238 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: concludes in the main cast is again they're very six fessible. 239 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: So they go on to make four movies themselves, some 240 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: of which I thought were pretty good, and the Trek franchise, 241 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: the Enterprise, you could say, continues to push on. That's 242 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: where you get three more series, Deep Space nine, Voyager, Enterprise, 243 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: and I don't know, yeah, let's talk about this. Yes, 244 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: there's too much Star Trek, but I thought I thought 245 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Deep Space nine had something really interesting involved because they're 246 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: not traveling out their ship is well, for the most part, 247 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: their ship is by this mysterious wormhole, right, and a 248 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: lot of things are traveling to them or they're sending 249 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: people out. Is that correct, space station kind of situation. Yeah. Yeah, 250 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: so DS nine is that it's an d snige is 251 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: a very different series than all the other Star Trek series. 252 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: That's what it stands out to it. I actually two 253 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: weekends ago went back and watched the DS nine documentary 254 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: make sure I was like up to data on that one. 255 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, so it's it's a very different one because 256 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: they're there. It's all about you know, galaxy politics and 257 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And it's also broke from the mold 258 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: of T O S and t G where it wasn't 259 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: Monster of the Week. It was had some serial like elements. 260 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean they have at one point the show ends 261 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: on a ten episode arc and stuff like that. Yeah, 262 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: and also they do some they used some really interesting 263 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: off the map kind of things, right with the Gamma 264 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: quadrant and this other analog to the Federation called the Dominion. 265 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: But anyhow, yeah, so there's still being experimental, but to 266 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: the audience. A lot of this seems like, okay, more 267 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: of the same, you know, like, oh, yes, I like fajitas, 268 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: but I don't eat fahitas every day, so stop trying 269 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: to sell them to me. As a result, we see 270 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: the casual audience falling off and Star Trek decides to 271 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: take a four year break. There were no new episodes 272 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: of any Star Trek stuff from about two thousand five 273 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: to seventeen. There were movies. That's the lost connection we're 274 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: talking about. In part one. J J Abrams runs point on. 275 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: They go kind of multiverse. It's like a reboot, same characters, 276 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: but they have different actors, younger actors, and there are 277 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: still some cameos. We don't want to spoil it for you, 278 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: but in in the universe you can consider this kind 279 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: of an alternate timeline. And those were all financial successes. 280 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: They did the Con story again, right, what was that 281 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: into Darkness? Yep, Yeah, Bennet commer best to play Con 282 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: and Bennet comes as an amazing actor. I mean, it's 283 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: not his fault. Movie was poorly written. I thought the 284 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: first one was pretty cool first at first J J 285 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: Abrams one. It was fun. It was a little more 286 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: obviously Star Warzy than Star Trek e because it was, 287 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, had to be like a big blockbuster kind 288 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: of action vibe, which really isn't for what Star Trek 289 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: was even in the movies. It was a little more 290 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: dialogue based than it was like big action set piece based. Yeah, 291 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: and I I enjoyed it. I think it. It pulled 292 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: the nostalgia strings, especially the first one, in the way 293 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: it was calculated to do. But all right, now we're 294 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: getting closer to the present day. In the present day, 295 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: Star Trek has become depend on whom you ask, bigger 296 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: than it had ever been before, Like Palpatine, it rose 297 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: stronger and more powerful when it was struck down. Uh. 298 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: So there's a new series that comes out, Discovery, and 299 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: Discovery is successful, so CBS all acts Paramount Plus there's 300 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot of studio politics with us basically Paramount. They 301 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: they put out the new these new iterations, and one 302 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: of them follows Picard so much so that it's called Picard. 303 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: He's the titular character and it's all about his life 304 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: after the events of Star Trek. The next generation kind 305 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: of panned Max. What's your thoughts Your thoughts on Piccard 306 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: picard Um the second season. Piccard was much better in 307 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: the first season. The first season was kind of I'm 308 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: really excited for the third season, which I mean comes 309 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: out in like three weeks. Yeah, I I watched. I 310 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: watched as well, and there were a lot of interesting 311 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: threads they introduced there, but not all of them came 312 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: to fruition. You still you don't. I love have Jerry 313 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Ryan back. Jerry Ryan is amazing and yeah, and there's 314 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: some great stuff going on with the board. No spoilers, 315 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: but I love the board is villains. So there's now 316 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: they're they're franchise down this card, similar to what the 317 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: Big Mouse has been doing with Star Wars. They say, 318 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: let's take this universe and put it in other genres. 319 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: That's where you get stuff like Lower Decks, which is 320 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: an animated series that has meant to be comedic instead 321 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: of by a guy named Mike McMahon who used to 322 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: be the showrunner for Rick and morty uh. And then 323 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: they have another thing that I'm not as familiar with. 324 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Maybe you guys can help me out here, Prodigy, which 325 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: is a collaboration with Nickelodeon. That's right, and it is 326 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: trying to you know, kind of introduce I mean, with 327 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: all of this legacy material out there, uh, certainly um 328 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: an attempt to reinvigorate some of that intellectual property and 329 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: introduce younger people to the series. UM, because I'll tell 330 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: you as a father of a of a fourteen year 331 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: old nerd, they're out there. UM. And it may not 332 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: be something. Star Trek isn't really something quite front and center, 333 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, for that audience. So to have kind of 334 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: a clever cartoon version of it is a good way 335 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: to bring new younger folks into that world. Yeah. And 336 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: there's more stuff that's happening as well. Strange New Worlds, 337 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: which has been nominated for an Emmy, UH, tells the 338 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: story of Captain Pike and the Enterprise back from that 339 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: first pilot the Cage, which we mentioned in part one, 340 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: and I've really enjoyed watching that. UH have also maybe 341 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: as we get towards the end of this series of 342 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: explorations of Star Trek, we talk a little bit about 343 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: its role in the greater real life Earthbound culture. I 344 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: mean we mentioned this not just in part one of 345 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: this series, but in multiple conversations on Ridiculous History. This 346 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: show comes out in the sixties, it's multicultural, multi racial. Uh. 347 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: The cast itself is a statement that not everybody wants 348 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: to acknowledge right in in the world and which was 349 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: created and uh, Roddenberry made these great points and he said, 350 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: you know, this is the twenty three century. Do you 351 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: think people are still gonna be as intolerant as they 352 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: are in the nineteen sixties? I hope not. Uh. And 353 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: the uh this was a big enough deal that Soviet Russia, 354 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: a state run paper, complained that there wasn't a Soviet 355 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: Union representative on there. And that's why in season two 356 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: you got check off on the scene because they said, 357 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: oh no, no, yeah, good point. Okay, no, it's it's 358 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: a very good point. And it shows that he was 359 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: able to put his money where his mouth was in 360 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: terms of leaning into that multicultural perspective. So you know, 361 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: again there there is some pretty cerebral, kind of allegorical 362 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: type of storytelling in this show, if somewhat veiled social 363 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: commentaries that it was kind of a little bit bombastic 364 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: for the time to address some of the issues that 365 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: the show did. For example, in the episode let That 366 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: Be Your Last Battlefield, Um, the the Enterprise has a 367 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: run in with the planet where the the inhabitants of 368 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 1: that planet are black on one side and white on 369 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: the other side, and there is a burning racial resentment 370 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: between those who are black on the right half and 371 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: those who are black on the left. And it's just 372 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: a very interesting way of handling that type of of 373 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: of attitude that was very you know, pre prevalent in America, 374 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: but also clever in a way because it wasn't right 375 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: out in your face to the point where people could, 376 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, protested exactly if they weren't smart enough to 377 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: kind of read what they were actually trying to do. 378 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: You also had kind of lampooning of some of the 379 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: Cold War paranoia and sentiments of the time, and episodes 380 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: like a Private Little War. Yeah, Yeah, And this is 381 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: something powerful. And we we see a similar phenomenon in 382 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: The Twilight Zone, which is by far one of my 383 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: favorite UH programs ever committed to television. In in these Things, 384 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: you will see that there its law and order. SVU 385 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: actually does a lot of this. You will see recent 386 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: news stories that get U that get used as the 387 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: creative fuel for a story in Star Trek. The the 388 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: idea of Private Little War. I don't want you to 389 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: think I was ignoring your Pointnal. The idea of private 390 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: little war is about a move to about a problem. 391 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Should we help a primitive people in a Garia war? 392 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: Because there's this planet where the Clanns are waging war, right, 393 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: the waging a proxy war, and the Clanons, who are 394 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: often a stand in for the USSR, honestly have given 395 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: arms to one side of the war, and the Federation 396 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: has to decide whether they're going to violate the prime 397 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: directive and give the other side of the war weapons. Right, 398 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: So we see that the Cold War idea of fighting 399 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: via proxies in a third country is very much on 400 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: the mind of the Star Trek writers. And you're able 401 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: to talk about these conundrums in way that you couldn't 402 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: in a non fiction show. You can always just say, hey, 403 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: these are aliens, this is art. If you see something 404 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: in it, brother, that's on you. Uh. And you can 405 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: also see like, yeah, a lot of geopolitical stuff is 406 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: echoed in these shows, and they had to because it 407 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: was taboo to talk about politics openly. That's right. And also, 408 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: just just to backtrack a little bit to something that 409 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: you said that maybe folks might not fully be aware of, 410 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: the idea of the Prime Directive we've kind of hinted at. 411 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: It really is the guiding philosophy of the crew of 412 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: the of the starship Enterprise. It's sort of like a 413 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: leave no trace kind of situation where they're exploring and learning, 414 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: but they're not out to influence, you know, uh, geopolitics. 415 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: They sometimes get caught up in the middle of it 416 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: and are left with some tough choices. Uh. And again 417 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: you said it. At times they've had to somewhat go 418 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: against the prime directive for the greater good, But in 419 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: general their goal is to be as neutral as possible 420 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: and seek out new life and and then expl lore, 421 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, the deepest reaches of space, but not it's 422 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: not a conquering force and when and they and they 423 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: portray conquering forces like the Klingons as villainous to some degree, 424 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: but then they're also there's a complexity there, and so 425 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: it's not black or white. They definitely are handling a 426 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: lot of these things with a lot of care and 427 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: a lot of thought. And if you want to watch 428 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: it strictly as a science fiction situation and just have 429 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: a good time and go on a little romp, you 430 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: can do that or you can look at the deeper 431 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: levels and really enjoy, you know, the care with which 432 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: they approach these are very complex geopolitical ideas. Yeah. Yeah, 433 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: and this again, this is something that Roddenberry, Gene Roddenberry 434 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: is acutely aware of, to the point where he says, 435 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: I don't consider myself a science fiction writer. I'm interested 436 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: in what's happening on this planet and what may happen 437 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: in our society. We're treating man less and less like 438 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: an individual and more like a social organism. And I 439 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: think that's one of the really inspiring points of Star Trek. Now, 440 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: Trickys will be the first to tell you that Star 441 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: Trek doesn't get everything right all the time. But also, 442 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, when you think about the message the idea 443 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: here that you could do your best to be a 444 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: benevolent force in the universe without being an imperialistic force, 445 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: then you see a hard lesson that a lot of historical, 446 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: real world superpowers should probably pay more attention to in 447 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: the modern day. Looking at you, Henry Kissinger, let me 448 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: check and see if he's still alive. Right. Diplomacy, you know, 449 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: that's a huge part of of of what makes uh, 450 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, John Luke Picard in particular of a very 451 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: compelling figure because he's always weighing, you know, this kind 452 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: of rhetoric and how to properly uh you know, approach 453 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: that prime directive, and so diplomacy becomes a big part 454 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: of it. It's probably also a reason that some people 455 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: maybe are more Star Wars people than Star Trek people, 456 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: because they find some of that stuff to be a 457 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: little dull, you know, or a little two mired in 458 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: the in the political side of things. Um, So it's 459 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: like become this almost like Stones versus the Beatles kind 460 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: of divide where it's like, are you Star Trek or 461 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: Star Wars. I think it's kind of a false equivalency. 462 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: They're both very different and interesting in their own rights, 463 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: sort of like apples and oranges. You know, yeah, well 464 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: they're all they're all uh science fiction, you know, they're 465 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: just very very different, like those stones and beetles or music, 466 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: and listening to one doesn't mean you're not gonna be 467 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: able to enjoy the other. I would say they're not 468 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. No, there's certainly not, but there is, like 469 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: it says something about you kind of as a listener 470 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: and as a fan which one you like better. Like 471 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: some people like the Stones because they're more rock and 472 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: roll and like you know, rebel and kind of low 473 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: fi um and a little bit just more kind of 474 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: hard edge, whereas the Beatles are a little more you know, 475 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: that psychedelic kind of high production value, you know, studio 476 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: and banned. But then if you look at their careers 477 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: and their cannons, both have examples of both, you know 478 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. There are pieces of each of those 479 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: styles within the catalog of both of those bands, as 480 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: are their pieces of the diplomacy and the you know, um, 481 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: the action side of things in Star Wars versus Star 482 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: Trek definitely space operas. And I want to, uh, I 483 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: want to present another installment of Ben's continuing obsession with 484 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger. Just confirmed Henry is alive still he is 485 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: ninety nine and for reminder for everybody playing this game 486 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: at home, if he makes it to ma of this year, 487 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: he will be one hundred years old. He is. He 488 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: is really pissed some people off, But then again, so 489 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: some episodes of Star Trek expert expertly done. Ben, It's 490 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: true and and and for good reason. We're going to 491 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: devote a little bit of this section to episodes of 492 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Star Trek that either hit the mark too hard and 493 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: pissed people off, or that absolutely deserved to be seen 494 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: as bad examples of the show. Max, I think you 495 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: should leave the chart of this one in a lot 496 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: of ways, because, as you mentioned off air, a lot 497 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: of folks at certain points sort of accused it of 498 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: being too woke or to like social justice warrior e 499 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: and that this is like sort of like a new thing, 500 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: but that's not really the case. It was sort of 501 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: that from the start. Yeah. I mean there's even quotes 502 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: from Ronbart early on where he's like he had pitched 503 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: a show before the original series and it got shot 504 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: down for being like too controversial stuff. So he basically 505 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: in some ways built original series around that other show 506 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: he had made, just to kind of like, you know, 507 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: put a guys under it. But I mean, yeah, every 508 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: single series of Star Trek has episodes that are you know, 509 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: it could be viewed as by some people's preachy or 510 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: pushing morals, but are just you know, social commentary. I mean, 511 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: I think the best one of them all is probably 512 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Far Beyond the Stars, which is from Star Trek Beef 513 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: Space nine, which is where Captain Cisco Avery Brooks is 514 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: transported from modern times where they are so twenty four 515 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: century back to the nineteen fifties and as a black 516 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: man him experiencing all the racial injustice of the time. 517 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: And it's also directed by every Brooks and it's just 518 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful episodes of Star Trek ever made. 519 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: And you also mentioned Max in the research material for 520 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: this that one of the new series, Strange New Worlds 521 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: already kind of hit it off with a bang in 522 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: terms of, you know, in this culture that we're living 523 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: in now, people accusing it of tarnishing the legacy of 524 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: Star Trek by being to quote Woker, you know, s 525 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: j W. But again to your point, and the whole 526 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: point you're talking about this whole time is that sort 527 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: of rodan Berry's you know goal from the start again. 528 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: Will is the term that's been maligned and sort of 529 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: twisted and become this term of abuse or of being 530 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: like overly PC or whatever it might be. But it's 531 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: just interesting how people that make those arguments probably have 532 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: never even seen the show often or have maybe read, 533 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: uh just just read a heated comment that they agreed 534 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: with in a forum without having the full context. I 535 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: want to talk about one of the I think most 536 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: meaningful episodes, Plato's step Children. Yes, yeah, the kiss heard 537 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: around the world when Ahura and Captain Kirk kind of 538 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: trauma bond and endure some terrible things that result in 539 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: the actors kissing each other. This is an interracial kiss 540 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: in nine. Michelle Nichols, who plays Ahura, and William Shatter, 541 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: who plays Kirk, are definitely like, they're definitely on air kissing. 542 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: There's not a cut away, there's not somebody mentioning it later. Uh. 543 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: NBC was terrified. Uh. They they were so worried about 544 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: this that they wanted to have two different versions of 545 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: the episode, one for the majority of the United States 546 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: and then one for the Southern States where, uh, they 547 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: would go through this terrible experience and at the end 548 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: they would come in for the kiss and then they 549 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: would hug. They actually had takes of this, and according 550 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: to the story not confirmed, but credit credit to William 551 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: if this is true, apparently he purposely sabotaged the hugging 552 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: take so that they would have to have to use 553 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: the kiss everywhere they aired it, or they would have 554 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: to blow a lot of money to reshoot it, uh, 555 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: and this is this is crazy. There was complaints, but 556 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: NBC was surprised and impressed maybe by the United States 557 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: because there wasn't a huge backlash, not near as much 558 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: as they feared. And uh, people were jen would leave 559 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: positive in their reactions to this, and I mean it 560 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: genuinely earned the show historical goodwill and another kind of 561 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: notch in the belt of Star Trek as being progressive 562 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: during a time where maybe that wasn't always the easiest 563 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: choice to make. Again, when we look at the backstory 564 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: of it, the executives were always kind of twitchy, you know, 565 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: from the start, uh, you know, even back to the 566 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: Lucy days. But whatever led to the end result, the 567 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: end result was what it was and is a very 568 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: important historical moment because I believe it maybe wasn't the 569 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: very first interracial kiss that took place on a large 570 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: broadcast format like that, but it was one of them, 571 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 1: to be sure, and it was a very popular one 572 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: on a very popular show, and it made a lot 573 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: of noise. You know. At the top of this segment, 574 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: we kind of tease the some of these episodes pissed 575 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: people off just because they were not very good, Uh, 576 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, you make a lot of shows back in 577 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: the day. You know, a lot of these series had many, many, 578 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: many episodes. They're not gonna all be hits. I think 579 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: over eight hundred episodes of the series Next Generation UM 580 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: and Max I has thought to wrap up today, we 581 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: could just go through a couple of of pretty significant 582 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: misses just in terms of like the quality of the show. Okay, 583 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: you guys, you guys are ready for this, because I'm 584 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: gonna just give you a very general description of these episodes. 585 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: I want to see what y'all's reaction is. I think 586 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with let He who Is Without Sin 587 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: from Star Trek Deep Space nine. So premise of the 588 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: episode is Jazz Adax and Warf have started dating and 589 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: Dax is like fun, loving and free. She's happy, and 590 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: WARF's all stoic and strong. She's like, we need to 591 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: go on vacation. That's what Dax is like. So they 592 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: go on vacation to this planet called Risea. If you 593 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: don't know what Rises, it's like the horniest planet in 594 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: the universe, super horny. It's like the galactic Abiza basically. Yeah, 595 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: So they get there and Dax is having fun and 596 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: all this stuff when Warf hates it. So Warf And 597 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: here's an important thing, Worf is in. Warf is a 598 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: full time main cast member in eleven seasons of Star Trek. 599 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: There's no character who has more about them than Warf, basically, 600 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: and he's this honorable guy. And so he's like there 601 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm not having fun. I'm gonna join 602 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: this group of eco terrorists and start tormenting and threatening 603 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: these lives of all these people on this planet. Yeah, cat, 604 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: catch them by their horny, I guess right, right, right exactly. 605 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: And then at the end of the episode, nothing happens 606 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: and they go skiing dipping and it's all fine. And 607 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: throughout the entire episode in the background corks running around 608 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: having orgies, and then there's there speaking if things are 609 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: weird with characters. There's also spots brain right, that was 610 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: that one's where they just they tell you that, oh guys, 611 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 1: sorry this didn't come up earlier, but for a while, 612 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: vulcans will live without their brains. But you mean the 613 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: brainiest species portrayed on the show can live without their brain. 614 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: Is this sort of like a chicken with their head 615 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: cut off kind of situation basically. Yes, yeah, the idea 616 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: is that uh, Spock can spot can be operated by 617 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: a remote control since he does have higher order or 618 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: cognitive functions until they get his brain back, so they're 619 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: on a brain heist and uh, Max, you described this 620 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: as one of the few anti bangers of the original series, 621 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: and this is this is held up often as an 622 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: example to the class of the decline in quality in 623 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: the third season. Yeah, no, it is. It is remarkably bad. 624 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: It is just so especially there's this remote that Dr 625 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: McCoy is walking around with with a couple of buttons 626 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: and a control Spock. It's just so bad, damnit, Jim. 627 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm a doctor, not a remote controlled operator or a 628 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: brain surgeon. That's popular, but apparently it's where there's focus 629 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: in the Trek community that consider an episode of Voyager 630 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: called Threshold kind of the spos brain of that series. 631 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: H and Max, I believe you felt this episode was 632 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: in fact the worst of all time within the entire 633 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: Star Trek universe. Yes. So side note, I've been born 634 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: and raised Treky. Both my parents are big Trek. He's 635 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: my mom will not watch the series Forager because of 636 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: this episode. You saw it when it came on, came out, 637 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: and she's like, that is just the worst thing I've 638 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: ever seen. And what really makes it so terrible is 639 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: it kind of feels like a real episode of Star Trek. 640 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: A lot of these really bad episodes. You can tell 641 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: from the get go, oh, this is gonna be bad. 642 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: It feels like it's gonna be a real episode at first, 643 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: but it really kind of goes off the rails and 644 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: just keeps going more and more off the rails. So 645 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: it's like she said, it goes warp ten off the rails. Mix. Yeah, 646 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: So let's first and foremost start with this concept of 647 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: warp ten Star Trek. Very nerdy concept. Warp ten is 648 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: basically written as something impossible. Warp ten means infinite speed, 649 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: and so Forager, it takes place in the Delta quadrant, 650 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: limited resources, and all of a sudden one day they 651 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: wake up and food we can get our like, you know, 652 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: our little shuttlecraft. Going warped ten for some reason makes 653 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: no sense. But then the guy Tom Paris goes warped 654 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: ten and he which means he can be anywhere in 655 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: the galaxy at any moment. It's all great woo who 656 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: then he turns into a salamander because of some weird 657 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 1: advanced uh evolutionary thing that causes by you going infinite 658 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: velocity that is yet that has not really been laid 659 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: out in the in the lore of the show up 660 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: to this point. Yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. 661 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: But it gets worse, it gets way worse. So then 662 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: he decides he gets all like you know, hot and heavy, 663 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: and he abducts Captain Janeway, throws her in the shuttlecraft, 664 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: takes her warp ten, turns her to a salamander. They 665 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: go to find some planet. They get freaky on the planet, 666 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: make more salamanders. Then everybody shows up who's not a salamander, 667 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: and then they kind of just like pick up the salamanders. 668 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: They carry them back to the ship, just the justin 669 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: Jane way in Paris salamander by the way, and then 670 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: it's a quick cut and all sudden their back human again. 671 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: Never explained, they're just humans again. And then they're like, yeah, 672 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk about and then left the children there, 673 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: left the children there, no alimony, classic salamander. This is 674 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: some anti salamander propaganda when you know, salamander children left 675 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: behind except Unfortunately they were totally left by I have 676 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: to say that really quick before you wrap this up. 677 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: Uh this as as a non trekky who really doesn't 678 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: have much skin in the game, this sounds like it 679 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: can't be delight. I'm interested in this as a standalone 680 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: bonkers piece of television and I'm gonna seek it out. 681 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: But please, Oh yeah, this is one. There's some star 682 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: trek that it's like you jump into, you'll you'll not 683 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: really fully get this. You can just jump into cold 684 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: and watch. It is episode fifteen of season two, and 685 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: it's great because the person who was in Church of 686 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: the teleplay very involved this episode is Brandon Braga, who 687 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: is like one of the big wigs. He's like important, 688 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: like a lot of the ten G movies. He executive 689 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: producer and forgure and this this episode is so infamous 690 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: that it's now getting parodied in the new shows, like 691 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: an episode of Lord Dex where they have a salamander 692 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: around there is. They even get Kate mulgrew, who's represent 693 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: the character of Catherine Janeway in Prodigy, to joke that 694 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: I was once turned into a salamander. I've seen weirder 695 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: things than this. Happened. It reminds me of that that 696 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: producer who famously like always wanted the Holloway producer who 697 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: used to be Barbara Streistand's hairdresser. He was kind of 698 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: portrayed in um Licorice Pizza by Bradley Cooper, but I'm 699 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: forgetting the guy's name, But he famously always really wanted 700 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: to have a movie with a giant spider in it, 701 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: and finally got his way with Wild Wild West. But 702 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: this sounds kind of like that too. They gave you know, 703 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: they let the big wig, right is weird Salamander script 704 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: because he just you know, he commanded that much uh 705 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, prominence and and uh and and fear that 706 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: they just let's go ahead let him write one. And 707 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: with this we have to say we have many more 708 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: things to explore about Star Trek, the role of unsung 709 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: heroes behind the screen, behind the page, the dark side 710 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: of this massive pop cultural phenomenon. We can't wait for 711 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: you to join us on that continuing journey in the 712 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: meantime special thanks to super producer and research associate Mr 713 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 1: Max Williams. Also now our resident Vulcan Cause player, Big 714 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,439 Speaker 1: Big thanks to Alex Williams who composed this track, which 715 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: I would put up against the Star Trek theme. Also 716 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: thanks to Chris Frostiotis Eaves, Jeff Coat and Jonathan Strickland. 717 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 1: And to you Ben, thank you for for your companionship 718 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: and and and bravery on this ridiculous voyage to the stars. 719 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Books. 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