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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: and the Battle to preserve Democracy. But first we have

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Speaker 1: the host of the time of Monsters, the nation's jeet here.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 2: Get here, always good to be on.

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Speaker 1: So vibe shift End of Democracy feels like we may

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Speaker 1: get another couple of years of democracy out of this thing.

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Speaker 2: Yet even like what does the most pestimistic under like

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Speaker 2: with bideny and thinking he's not getting real to do it.

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Speaker 2: I did take some comfany in the fact that Trump

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Speaker 2: is even at his best polls wasn't clearing fifty percent,

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Speaker 2: was still widely hated, and you know, there was a

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Speaker 2: vast spath of the population that was ready to support

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Speaker 2: the Democrats if they had a candidate people were happy with.

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Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, I mean I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be like but I think we should also be a

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Speaker 2: little bit cautious about oh yeah, quite too early, Like

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Speaker 2: it's still like a tight race. But I think it's

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Speaker 2: a much more winnable race now than it was a

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Speaker 2: month ago. You can see to the people's wood, people

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Speaker 2: are just a lot happier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. And I think, look,

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton wouldn't have lost if people hadn't treated her

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Speaker 1: as a fat to complay. I do think it's very

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Speaker 1: very important that when looking at this race, we look

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Speaker 1: at the very very real possibility that Donald Trump could win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I'd say his chances

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Speaker 2: of winning have gone down. A month ago, I'd say

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Speaker 2: he did a seventy to eighty percent chance of winning.

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Speaker 2: Now I think it's like forty five percent. But that's

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Speaker 2: way too high. It's like, you know, considering what he's

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Speaker 2: gonna do. But but I mean, let's not undersell the

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Speaker 2: positive thing. I mean the Democrats, I mean, I always

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Speaker 2: thought they had a winning message. Now they have the

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Speaker 2: right passenger. They have two right messengers. Things are like

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Speaker 2: much more positive. The key now is to protect the gains,

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Speaker 2: like protect the people that Kamala Harris has brought back,

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Speaker 2: keep them within the coalition, and that's the way I

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Speaker 2: think to be the main task. Also's Greate is like,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's like a little over eighty days left

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Speaker 2: right like ste So I actually think that helps a

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Speaker 2: lot because I think eighty four days right, Like they're

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Speaker 2: obviously trying to smear Harris, they're trying to smear Tim Walls,

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Speaker 2: but it takes time. Like with Hillary Clinton they had

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Speaker 2: like twenty five years. Like slagging this woman the patier

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Speaker 2: is like combination of Lady Macbeth and Godzilla. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think with Harris and Walds, they're finding a little bit

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Speaker 2: harder to do that time. They're running out of time.

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Speaker 2: I think the optimism is warranted, you know, with the proviso,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of work to be done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean I think that short election cycle

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Speaker 1: certainly has really helped her. You know, she has that

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Speaker 1: also very careful and has been very careful her whole life,

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Speaker 1: and probably that's good. She was a sex crimes prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: she just is has gotten much much much better and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean I think people have forgotten because

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Speaker 2: her twoenty twenty campaign didn't go Maybe they forgot like

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Speaker 2: how actullently she was just on the Senate floor interrogating witnesses,

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Speaker 2: her real scale and sort of forensic argument. No, and

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Speaker 2: she has a lot of very positive qualities. But also,

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Speaker 2: like I think just the sort of attitude is really important.

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Speaker 2: would get shamed for not having kids. Harris is able

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Speaker 2: like offer the stability and continuity you know, she's taking

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Speaker 2: The so called vibe shift. I don't think it's an illusion.

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's based on something real that we're seeing,

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Speaker 2: like in the big rallies and in the money that's

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Speaker 1: Right, you have tons of donations, you have first time donors,

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Speaker 1: I do think it's ironic that during this Republican convention

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Speaker 1: spendal acuity and Biden being old and now puts them

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, no, not the town is old.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's clearly showing the signs of age,

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Speaker 2: it's like like when's Trump is the oldest candidate, then

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Speaker 2: next week, the Democratic Convention, will reassert himself and be

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Speaker 2: could be running against Biden again. That he was asking

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Speaker 2: Who gets Joe Biden?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's not going to be on the vellod

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Speaker 3: Why are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: But he also talked a lot about Hillary, you know,

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Speaker 2: like if Trump at twenty sixteen was like the Elvis,

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Speaker 2: you know who electrified America, who appeared on Ed Sullivan

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Speaker 2: right now, within a few years he's become gone from

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Speaker 2: Sleepy Joe, and he contrast that with Harris. They're talking

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very good contrast for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I have a theory about what Trump is saying when

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Speaker 1: he talks about Biden getting pushed out and his sort

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Speaker 2: That is the sort of political logic behind it. It's

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Speaker 2: sadly Glenn Greenwald. We're like really pushing this narrative Jesus.

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Speaker 2: But I have to say there's a couple of differences.

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Speaker 1: Basically everything, but yes.

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Speaker 2: Go on, yeah, everything is totally different with Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 2: you have like really hardcore Bernie.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I think not even comparable. It's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally not comparable. What's been striking is the

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Speaker 2: like before Biden Withdrew, there's like worries that you know,

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Speaker 2: We've actually seen like cutemps. I'm sure there are very

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Speaker 2: who appreciative of stuff he did, but they were you know,

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Speaker 2: fortunately there's a vice president in place who could take

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Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite hobby horses. We really

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Speaker 1: saw the Progressives have the centrist Democrats back, and I

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Speaker 1: think some of that was because centrist Democrats did for

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Speaker 1: them in some ways, right.

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Speaker 2: Biden made certain like horse trading agreements with Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, and Biden kept to them, and that

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Speaker 2: has really helped solidify the party and unify the party

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Speaker 2: that if you look at the apolle the actual Bernie

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Speaker 2: I have all one paper of that. Now. My conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Whitney Fox is a candidate in Florida's thirteenth congressional district.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Whitney.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me, Mollie.

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Speaker 1: So tell us what you're running for. Tell us all

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Speaker 4: Sure well, I am born and raised right here in

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Speaker 4: But what really fired me to run for office myself

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Speaker 1: You are running against someone who is a very trumpy candidate.

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Speaker 1: Tampa is a mixed place. There are lefties, rities, everything

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Speaker 4: Sure, well, I'm running in the Tampa Bay area, but

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Speaker 4: it doesn't include the city of Tampa. It's Panellis County,

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Speaker 4: which is Saint Petersburg's Clearwater area of Florida. And it

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Speaker 4: was redistricted in twenty twenty two. It was previously held

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Speaker 1: So it's more of a red district.

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Speaker 4: It's slightly more red, that's correct. And we had very

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Speaker 1: So in Florida, you guys have an abortion referendum on

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Speaker 4: Listen, I think many people are fired up about this issue,

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Speaker 4: So I think that this issue is a big issue

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Speaker 4: People in Florida are tired of the extremism in Florida.

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Speaker 4: They want to have their reproductive freedoms, to be able

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Speaker 1: You have in Florida a very You have now a

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Speaker 4: It's been very interesting because you know, I had a

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Speaker 4: conversation with Planned Parenthood recently, who just endorsed me today.

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Speaker 4: By the way, we're very proud of their support, you know,

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Speaker 4: asking them what has it been like now that the

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Speaker 4: six week band has put into place, and you know

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Speaker 4: they're letting me know that they're having to direct women

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Speaker 4: to the Carolinas to receive care, and that many of

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Speaker 4: these women can't afford to get travel out of the state,

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Speaker 4: or they have other children and can't afford the child

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Speaker 4: care to do. So it's interesting because I have so

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Speaker 4: many stories I can share. One recently is I don't

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Speaker 4: leave my home without a Whitney Fox for Congress logo on.

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Speaker 4: And I was at the playground with my girls a

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Speaker 4: few months back and a woman ran up to me

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Speaker 4: and said, are you Whitney Fox running for Congress against

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Speaker 4: Anna Pauline A. Luda And I said, yes, I am,

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Speaker 4: And she said, I have to share my abortion story

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Speaker 4: with you. This is my son. And after I had

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Speaker 4: my son, I had a miscarriage and if I hadn't

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Speaker 4: received the reproductive healthcare I received, my two year old

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Speaker 4: daughter would not be here today. And she said, I

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Speaker 4: will do whatever I can to volunteer to help your campaign,

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Speaker 4: to share my story. And she is one of our

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Speaker 4: best volunteers that we've had. So we have many people

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Speaker 4: who have approached us, who have come out up to

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Speaker 4: our campaign and said, I need to share my story.

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Speaker 4: How can I get involved? I mean there are many

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Speaker 4: women who are especially even some NPAs independents or modern

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Speaker 4: Republicans who maybe haven't had to think much about politics

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Speaker 4: lately in their life, but now they're saying, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: this attack on IVF, that's how I had children, or

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Speaker 4: I'm going through infertility now and going through the IVF process,

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Speaker 4: and now that's being threatened. And it's a very real

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Speaker 4: issue for many people in our district, and they are

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Speaker 4: fired up that this is an issue that Anna Pauline

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Speaker 4: a Luna is so extreme.

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Speaker 1: About the other thing that I've seen. And again there's

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Speaker 1: finn studies about this since the overturning of Row we

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Speaker 1: saw in Louisiana, other red states that there are women

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Speaker 1: who are in their first trimester of pregnancy who cannot

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Speaker 1: get care, just regular pre natal care because doctors are

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Speaker 1: afraid of miscarriages and that that might cause them to

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Speaker 1: get in trouble or be blamed. And then also we

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Speaker 1: just saw this case out of Texas, these MDALA cases

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Speaker 1: to women are suing this hospital because they were turned

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Speaker 1: away with atopic pregnancies and a topic pregnancy can never

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Speaker 1: become a baby because it's growing in the fallopian tubes.

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Speaker 1: It can only destroy your fertility. I mean, are you

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Speaker 1: seeing stories like that out.

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Speaker 4: Of Florida, Yes, Molly, it's pretty awful. I mean there's

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Speaker 4: a story of a woman here in the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 4: area who you know, her water broke very early in

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Speaker 4: the case where no fetus will be able to survive,

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Speaker 4: and the emergency rooms here in Florida turned her away.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the very first thing that she did

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Speaker 4: the next day, she went to the salon to get

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Speaker 4: her hair done, and the reason was is she didn't

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Speaker 4: want to burden her parents with getting her hair done

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Speaker 4: for her funeral because she was certain she was going

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Speaker 4: to die. She ended up giving birth to her fetus

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Speaker 4: in the bathroom of the hair salon and lost half

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Speaker 4: of the blood in her body. I mean, these are

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Speaker 4: the types of things that are happening, and the fact

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Speaker 4: that we are in this moment fighting for our lives

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Speaker 4: and our healthcare is quite terrifying. I mean, I'm reminded

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Speaker 4: of my own pregnancies and sitting in those ultrasound rooms

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Speaker 4: hoping and praying that everything is going to be okay.

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Speaker 4: I cannot imagine being told everything is not okay and

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Speaker 4: there's nothing that we can do about it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this isn't pro life by any means. It's forced birth.

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Speaker 4: It's forced birth. Then get back to work and your

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Speaker 4: entire paycheck going to childcare. I mean, this is not

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Speaker 4: pro family, and this is not supportive of women in

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Speaker 4: any capacity. And we are starting to hear the horrifying

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Speaker 4: stories of what's going on and the fact that it's

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Speaker 4: affecting people's lives and doctors are leaving the state of Florida.

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Speaker 4: It is a horrible effect that we're having here in

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Speaker 4: the state. Since the six week into place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I relate to that. One of my kids had

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Speaker 1: a single artery in his himbilical cord. We had endless

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Speaker 1: meetings about what is this going to mean? He ended

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Speaker 1: up being fine, but it was really scary, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I had my twins from IVF and there was tons

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Speaker 1: of times where I was just praying that they were okay.

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Speaker 1: The sort of second consequence of this, the inadvertent consequences

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Speaker 1: of these bands, is really women unable to get pre

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Speaker 1: natal care, doctors leaving the states, making it even more

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Speaker 1: unsafe to be a pregnant woman in this country. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I spoke to a constituent the other day who has

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Speaker 4: children in their thirties and and his daughters is pregnant

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Speaker 4: and he told her to go stay somewhere in the

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Speaker 4: northern part of the United States, that he did not

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Speaker 4: feel comfortable with her going through her pregnancy in the

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Speaker 4: state of Florida. I mean, how awful is that to

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Speaker 4: feel like you need to send your daughter away because

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Speaker 4: it's not safe to be pregnant in the state of Florida.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty terrifying. And that's the issue here, Mollie is

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Speaker 4: Floridians are tired of the extremism. They're tired of the

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Speaker 4: left versus right, the Democrat versus Republican, They're red versus blue.

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Speaker 4: They want to have their freedoms, to make their own decisions.

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Speaker 4: They want a government that's going to work for them.

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Speaker 4: And Anna Paulina Luda is so extreme in her stances,

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Speaker 4: and that's why our campaign is going so well, and

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Speaker 4: that's why we have a shot at winning not only

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Speaker 4: flipping the seat, but getting one of the worst members

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Speaker 4: of Congress out of office. I mean, she's a member

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Speaker 4: of the Freedom Caucus. She has been listed as more

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Speaker 4: extreme than Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gates, and Lauren Bobert.

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Speaker 4: Which is setting the bar pretty low. And you know,

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Speaker 4: we are a moderate district of pragmatic voters that are

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Speaker 4: that are eager for new leadership.

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Speaker 1: That is really something that's such a crazy metric. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that when you're talking to people, because you

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Speaker 1: really are in Florida and you really are in this

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Speaker 1: in this purple district. I mean, what's the feeling on

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Speaker 1: the ground. Do you think that Florida is sick of DeSantis?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he won re election really by a staggering margin,

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Speaker 1: but I think some of his policies have boomeranged on

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Speaker 1: him absolutely well.

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Speaker 4: You know, Anna pulling a little ran on making Penillas

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Speaker 4: County affordable again, and by that measure, she's a complete failure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Florida has some of the highest inflation and

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Speaker 4: insurance rate increases in the country. I mean, her self

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Speaker 4: serving political games do not put food on the table.

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Speaker 4: Her attending criminal trials in New York is not lowering

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Speaker 4: drug costs. Her going on tour across the country with

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Speaker 4: JD Vance will not lower our bills here in the district.

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Speaker 4: She's a self described influencer, and the time in taxpayer

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Speaker 4: dollars she is wasting is infuriating. I mean, this has

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Speaker 4: been the least productive Congress in decades, and Luna's efforts

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Speaker 4: to constantly shut down the government is part of that problem.

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Speaker 4: Instead of protecting IVF and birth control, she's chasing headlines.

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Speaker 4: Instead of upholding our democratic institutions, she's attempting to weaken

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Speaker 4: them simply because she doesn't like the outcome of investigations.

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Speaker 4: She attacks the DOJ anytime they don't rule in her favor,

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Speaker 4: and tried to have The latest thing she did was

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Speaker 4: trying to have Attorney General Mayor Garland arrested. I mean,

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Speaker 4: she wrote a children's book about how the election was stolen.

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Speaker 4: She is dangerous and eroding trusts in our institutions. So

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Speaker 4: I think that we are seeing from the boots on

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Speaker 4: the ground and talking to voters in our district that

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Speaker 4: people are tired of the extremism. She made a lot

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Speaker 4: of promises in her campaign, and they see that she

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Speaker 4: is not delivering. She can talk a good talk, but

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Speaker 4: when it comes to actually taking action and doing the

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Speaker 4: hard part of governing, which is to sit down with others,

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Speaker 4: make compromises and get things done, she's not doing it.

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Speaker 4: Her idea of governing is if I don't get my way,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to take my ball and go home. Or

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Speaker 4: you know, we need beachery nourishment desperately here in our district,

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Speaker 4: and instead of working with the Army Corps engineers in

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Speaker 4: order to get it done, she has threatened to defund them.

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Speaker 4: She's not a serious person to have in government, and

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Speaker 4: our district knows that, and that's why we have so

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Speaker 4: much support behind our campaign. We are going to be

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Speaker 4: able to unsee her.

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Speaker 1: That is so important and interesting. One of the big

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Speaker 1: problems you guys are having in Florida with inflation is insurance. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's skyrocketing. Do you think people connect that with the

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Speaker 1: Republican governor or not so much.

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Speaker 4: I think that it's become pretty clear that this is

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Speaker 4: an issue that typically would need to be handled at

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Speaker 4: a state level, and that is not happening. I mean,

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Speaker 4: when I'm talking to voters, the number one issue I'm

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Speaker 4: hearing from them is affordability, and at the top of

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Speaker 4: that list is the home insurance crisis. You know, I

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Speaker 4: attended a firefighter one oh one day recently and learned

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Speaker 4: that most of our firefighters don't live here in the

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Speaker 4: district because they can't afford it, and this is an

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Speaker 4: issue for all of our frontline workers, teachers, healthcare workers, firefighters.

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Speaker 4: It's become completely unaffordable to live here in the district.

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Speaker 4: And on top of that, a majority of our voters

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Speaker 4: are over the age of fifty. We have many seniors

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Speaker 4: here in the Tampa Bay areas. You can imagine, they

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Speaker 4: are on fixed incomes, and as costs like home insurance

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Speaker 4: are going up, they are having to make tough decisions

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Speaker 4: about whether they should pay for prescription drugs or pay

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Speaker 4: for their rent. And we have a staggering number of

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Speaker 4: seniors becoming homeless. If you think about that, these poor

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Speaker 4: seniors becoming homeless, and when it comes to home insurance,

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Speaker 4: because we hear so often from so many people, you know,

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Speaker 4: I believe that if you are a representative here in

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Speaker 4: the state of Florida, or you are running for office,

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Speaker 4: and you are not talking about home insurance, you're not

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Speaker 4: addressing the issue that people want you to address. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, many people have told me that it's an

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Speaker 4: issue that needs to be addressed at a state level,

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Speaker 4: but I am not taking that as an answer. Hurricane

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Speaker 4: Debbie just a week ago left thousands of people without

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Speaker 4: power here in our district and the solution that we

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Speaker 4: are coming up with is we are coming up with

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Speaker 4: a plan of how can we address this home insurance

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Speaker 4: crisis from a federal level. One idea we have is

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Speaker 4: a national natural disaster plan. You know, we have something

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Speaker 4: like this in place already nationally, which is our flood insurance.

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Speaker 4: But it used to be a problem, the home insurance

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Speaker 4: crisis here in Florida only a few years ago. But

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Speaker 4: now it's become a national issue. And there are many

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Speaker 4: states from out west with wildfires or in the Midwest

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Speaker 4: with you know, hailstorms and windstorms. Home insurance companies are

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Speaker 4: tripling their costs or dropping people left and right. So

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Speaker 4: we need a play on nationally that's going to protect

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Speaker 4: us as climate change continues to get worse. And that

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Speaker 4: is an issue that I am hearing from the voters,

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Speaker 4: and we are putting a plan together and that's what

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Speaker 4: we deserve as representatives who are going to actually hear

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Speaker 4: what the issues are and address them.

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Speaker 1: back just like a podcast. All five episodes are online now.

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Speaker 1: We need to educate Americans on what Trump's second term

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Speaker 1: would or could due to this country, So please watch

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Speaker 1: it and spread the word. Brian Tyler Cohen is the

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Speaker 1: host of No Lie, an MSNBC contributor and the author

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Speaker 1: of Shameless, Republicans Delivered, Dysfunction and the Battle to Preserve Democracy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Brian Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Cohen, Ollie, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about this book, why you decided to

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Speaker 1: write this book, and how you got here.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was important to explore this topic now

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Speaker 3: as we get into another election cycle where Americans look

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Speaker 3: at Republicans and the polling reflects that they give them

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Speaker 3: all this credit. On the economy, on national security on

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Speaker 3: family values. That's basically the cornerstone of JD. Vance's campaign.

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Speaker 3: And yet Republicans have long since done this where they

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Speaker 3: rely on their historical branding to give themselves cover to

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Speaker 3: act in a way that's completely antithetical to that. So

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Speaker 3: they claim that the Party of family values, of fiscal responsibility,

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Speaker 3: of states rights, of the constitution, of the military, of

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Speaker 3: law and order, And when you drill down into each

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Speaker 3: of these, they don't actually deserve any of that branding,

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Speaker 3: but they still kind of ride the wave of that

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Speaker 3: branding anyway, and so I think it really benefits them

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Speaker 3: to a degree that they don't actually deserve.

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Speaker 1: Give us an example of something where they say one

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Speaker 1: thing and do another.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you look at family values, for example,

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Speaker 3: right now, they are blocking a bill in the Senate

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Speaker 3: that would actually allow for IVF to move forward that

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Speaker 3: is quite literally building families. How you can claim that

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Speaker 3: you're the Party of family values and yet you are

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Speaker 3: currently blocking a bill that would allow people to actually

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Speaker 3: build families is just beyond me. Then beyond that, if

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Speaker 3: you look at their lack of support for snap benefits,

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Speaker 3: for earn benefits, Medicare, and Medicaid, and social security. On

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Speaker 3: every instance where Republicans actually have the opportunity to prove

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Speaker 3: out this thesis that they're good for families, they behave

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Speaker 3: in a way that's diametrically opposed to that.

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Speaker 1: If you look at.

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Speaker 3: Somebody like Donald Trump, for example, the Republican Party is

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Speaker 3: lined up behind him, a guy who was just found

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Speaker 3: guilty of thirty four felony counts for the were charges

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Speaker 3: related to hush money payouts for an a fairyad while

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Speaker 3: his wife was at home with their infant son. That's

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Speaker 3: the Party of family values, the Party of the Constitution.

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Speaker 3: This is the first party that refused to abide by

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Speaker 3: the peaceful transfer of power in over two hundred years.

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Speaker 3: The Party of States Rights, even though you had a

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Speaker 3: bunch of Republican attorneys general who lined up behind this

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Speaker 3: Texas lawsuit in twenty twenty that would seek to invalidate

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Speaker 3: the election results in four other states just because they

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Speaker 3: didn't like the outcome. The Party of Fiscal Responsibility. This

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Speaker 3: party added seven point eight trillion dollars to the debt.

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Speaker 3: On each branding point, they actually again behave in a

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Speaker 3: way that is completely antithetical to their own professed values.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think this started.

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Speaker 3: So if we look at somebody like Donald Trump, for example,

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Speaker 3: who is in large part who people blame for this,

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Speaker 3: he is a symptom of a broader problem and problem

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Speaker 3: that has existed for a long time within the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: You look back to the Ale's Memo, which ultimately became

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Speaker 3: the creation of Fox News, so that what happened to

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Speaker 3: Richard Nixon would never happen to a Republican president. Again,

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Speaker 3: you look at somebody like Newt Gingrich for example, who

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Speaker 3: I would in large part claim is responsible for the

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Speaker 3: acrimony in politics today. And this whole idea that when

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama became president, their sole goal, the Republican's sole

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Speaker 3: goal in government, was just to prevent any progress from

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Speaker 3: moving forward. That's where a lot of this started. And

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Speaker 3: these plans were put in place decades ago. And to

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Speaker 3: their credit, Republicans are really good at very patiently allowing

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Speaker 3: these plans to see themselves through to fruition. And so

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Speaker 3: in terms of, you know, building up a right wing

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Speaker 3: media ecosystem, look at what they have right now. Democrats

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Speaker 3: can hardly compete. There is a massive asymmetry at play

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Speaker 3: where the Republicans enjoy Fox News, Newsmax, Oan, Daily Wire,

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Speaker 3: Daily Caller, all of their podcast Dan Bongino stuff, Steve

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Speaker 3: Bannon shows. There's no major equivalent on the left to

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Speaker 3: take on just that deluge of disinformation being perpetuated by

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Speaker 3: the right, and so I think that the onus is

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Speaker 3: asymmetry at play for these plans that were laid out

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Speaker 3: so long ago, and where disadvantage we have to rush

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Speaker 3: to fight back. But I think to our credit, we're

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Speaker 3: finally doing that.

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Speaker 1: But cable news is not as powerful as it once was,

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Speaker 1: and that's certainly true with Fox Right. Tucker Carlson used

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Speaker 1: to set the agenda. Now he is in a very

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Speaker 1: siloed universe. Now he still gets to his people, but

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Speaker 1: he may not get to sort of casual users. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain how that's changed the dynamic.

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Speaker 3: I think that for a long time, Republicans have been

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Speaker 3: very good at embracing independent media or digital media because

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Speaker 3: they knew that the mainstream media wasn't overtly conservative overtly Republican,

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Speaker 3: and so they've had no choice but to embrace independent media.

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Speaker 3: And as mainstream media, legacy media has descended in terms

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Speaker 3: of importance and in terms of eyeballs. We were kind

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Speaker 3: of left at a real structural disadvantage because Republicans have

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Speaker 3: already invested all of this time into their podcasts, into

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Speaker 3: their radio shows, AM Radio, specifically, into their alternative outlet

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Speaker 3: that had already become a major base of support. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, Donald Trump and a lot of these

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Speaker 3: Republicans were quick to embrace them, recognizing that that's where

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Speaker 3: a lot of the true influence laid. But Democrats have

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Speaker 3: always been overly reliant on a mainstream media ecosystem that

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Speaker 3: is not only not liberal. Maybe some of the journalists

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Speaker 3: and reporters are liberal, but mainstream media as a whole

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Speaker 3: doesn't perceive itself as liberal. And in fact, not only

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Speaker 3: are they not liberal, but they will bend over backwards

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Speaker 3: to kowtow to the right. And so, for example, in

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, when you had the hy Hillary's emails situation happening,

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Speaker 3: there were what sixty nine front page stories on the

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Speaker 3: New York Times about Hillary's emails, and they covered it

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Speaker 3: because they knew if they didn't, they would get called

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Speaker 3: the liberal media by the right, and so they had

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Speaker 3: no choice but to cover it because god forbid anybody

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Speaker 3: called them the liberal media. And then when Avanka Trump

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Speaker 3: did the same thing during Trump administration, well that came

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Speaker 3: and went like a fart and a hurricane. So this

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Speaker 3: asymmetry has been at play for a really long time.

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Speaker 3: But I think to Republicans' credit, they knew early on

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Speaker 3: to embrace independent alternative media. Now that that's where everybody's

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Speaker 3: eyes are actually at, that's helped them in ways that

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Speaker 3: are difficult to quantify. At this point.

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Speaker 1: What you're talking about is this Republican working of the

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Speaker 1: rafts right where they say, how dare you not cover

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Speaker 1: Hillary's emails? You need to cover Hillary's emails? And now

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Speaker 1: we have this leaked information from member of the Trump campaign,

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Speaker 1: one that is very dubious that member of the campaign

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of media outlets are sitting on the

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Speaker 1: leaked information. Is that what you're talking about?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about the twenty sixteen election just right.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, but you see that asymmetry right there,

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Speaker 1: right absolutely, if you look at the extent to which

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Speaker 1: all of the hacked information that was sent to the

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Speaker 1: DNC in the lead up to the twenty sixteen election

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Speaker 1: was disseminated by WikiLeaks and widely reported on.

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Speaker 3: By all of the major news outlets. And now we

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Speaker 3: find out that this guy named Joe sent a bunch

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Speaker 3: of leaked information from the RNC to Politico and I

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Speaker 3: believe a few other outlets if I'm not mistaken. And

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Speaker 3: not only have we not had reporting on that since

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Speaker 3: they've had this information for what I believe is over

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Speaker 3: a month now, but they're actually deciding on it's nothing

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Speaker 3: more than just broad strokes about the type of information

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Speaker 3: they have, but there's clearly no equivalency. And so it

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Speaker 3: seems that when the media learns its lessons, it's only

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Speaker 3: to the benefit of Republicans and always to the detriments

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Speaker 3: of Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Now, people in the straight media, you know, we're on

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Speaker 1: the opinion side, so we have a little more leniency.

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Speaker 1: But a straight reporter would push back and say, I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to cover this in a nonpartisan way, and

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Speaker 1: you know, nonpartisan coverage tends to try to honor both sides.

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Speaker 1: How would you push back on that?

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Speaker 3: We would be crazy not to view how there is

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Speaker 3: a major asymmetry at play in terms of both sides.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what the extremists on the left, and I

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Speaker 3: say extremists using air quotes. What the extremists on the

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Speaker 3: left one is ultimately healthcare for everybody and a green

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Speaker 3: New Deal. It's policies that will present the planet. What

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Speaker 3: extremists on the right want is for the extermination broad

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Speaker 3: swaths of people and for Democrats to inherently not have

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Speaker 3: the right to get elected in this country. Let's put

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Speaker 3: on display in our media where every time you have

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Speaker 3: any left position, it has to be countered by a

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Speaker 3: right position, and they're they're equating the two. Also, I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, with Donald Trump, the things that he says

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Speaker 3: that he can get away with because it's just baked

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Speaker 3: into the cake that he's going to say this kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff where you know, we can play the age

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Speaker 3: old game where what happens if Joe Biden said something

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Speaker 3: like this, What happens if Kamala Harris would say something

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Speaker 3: like this? What happens if Barack Obama would say something

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Speaker 3: like this? But it doesn't get coveraged anymore. And so

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Speaker 3: when Donald Trump, for example, comes out and denies the

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Speaker 3: very biraciality of Kamala Harris, it's a one day news story.

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Speaker 3: But if Joe Biden said something like that, or Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris said something like that. How many days would Fox

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Speaker 3: News be hammering away at this over and over and

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Speaker 3: then regular mainstream media would see that and they would

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Speaker 3: take their cues from them and they would cover it

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Speaker 3: as well. How many days did we talk about the

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Speaker 3: fact that Donald Trump decided to equate his January Insurrection

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Speaker 3: crowd with Martin Luther King Junior's I have a Dream

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Speaker 3: speech at the Capitol and that was just maybe a

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Speaker 3: one day story. What about the fact that Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: went on Twitter for his Twitter space with Elon Musk

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Speaker 3: and just decided to trash union workers. Imagine if Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden did something like that or Kamala Harris did something

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Speaker 3: like this. I mean, we can play this game all day,

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Speaker 3: but because it's just baked into the cake that Republicans

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Speaker 3: are racist or misogynist or bigoted or anti worker or

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Speaker 3: anti everything they claim to before, we just brush over it.

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Speaker 3: It maybe gets the new cycle for a day, largely

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Speaker 3: with the help of progressive media, but otherwise we just

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Speaker 3: move on and see what we can attack the Democratic

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Speaker 3: ticket for.

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Speaker 1: I would say yes, and right, I think that's both

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Speaker 1: true and not true. Right, Like Donald Trump gets away

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Speaker 1: with things. Yes, because he's normalized. Yes, he is an

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Speaker 1: Autocrat for sure, no question. And yes, there certainly is

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Speaker 1: a fair amount of media being like, oh, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: faked in, you know, that's what he does. Would say

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Speaker 1: that in some ways he's kind of a unique figure

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Speaker 1: because he has that more than other Republicans. Now that's

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Speaker 1: not to say the hypocrisy doesn't get covered the same way.

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Speaker 1: But if you had a Republican you say something so

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Speaker 1: outside the mainstream the way Trump does, I think it

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Speaker 1: would get covered. Part of the problem I think the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media has covering Trump is that Trump is not

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Speaker 1: for them, right, He's not even for people who read

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media. Like if you look at the polls,

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Speaker 1: if you read mainstream media, you're not voting for Trump.

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Speaker 1: And this is again me trying to get into other

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Speaker 1: people's ps psychology, but it certainly feels like it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit that they've sort of stopped trying because they

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Speaker 1: know that the Trump people and even if you look

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Speaker 1: at the polls, like he has a number that does

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Speaker 1: not move. His number is forty whatever percent is baked

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Speaker 1: in and there's almost nothing that can move it because

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Speaker 1: those people is their goeshal.

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Speaker 3: Right, I do agree with that, but I think that

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Speaker 3: regardless of the fact the media is not in the

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Speaker 3: business that part of the media is not in the

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Speaker 3: business of persuasion. They should be in the business of

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Speaker 3: telling the truth. And it doesn't matter if people have

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Speaker 3: become normalized to it. It doesn't mean that you stop

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Speaker 3: trying because when you do, it basically creates a vacuum

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Speaker 3: that Republicans can then fill with whatever stories they want

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Speaker 3: to put in and fill. So I think I think

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Speaker 3: for a large part of this, it's just about driving

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Speaker 3: the narrative.

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Speaker 1: Flooding the zone was shed. It's what you're talking to do.

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Speaker 3: Flooding this all with shit. When the media sees that, like, okay,

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Speaker 3: there's forty six percent, forty seven percent, it's immovable. We

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Speaker 3: can keep reporting on Donald Trump's lives, or we can

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Speaker 3: focus on something else. But reporting on Donald Trump's lives

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Speaker 3: isn't going to change anything. That doesn't matter. They're not

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Speaker 3: in the business of persuasion. They should be hitting away

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Speaker 3: at this stuff every single day if they have to,

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Speaker 3: because their goal is not to try to move people

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Speaker 3: or persuade people. Their goal should just be reporting the truth.

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Speaker 3: And even if we get used to it, and the

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Speaker 3: overton windows ships so much just by sheer like sheer

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Speaker 3: repetition of this stuff on a day basis, that shouldn't matter.

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Speaker 3: But the right knows that as soon as the media

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Speaker 3: gives up on this stuff because it's not as sexy

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Speaker 3: as it was when Donald Trump did it the first

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Speaker 3: time or the second time or the third, fourth, fifth, tenth, twentieth, thirtieth, fortieth, fiftieth,

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Speaker 3: that when the media gives up on reporting it, then

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Speaker 3: that creates that vacuum, and Republicans can fill that vacuum

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Speaker 3: with their stories and whatever they want to perpetuate. And

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Speaker 3: that's why we get Hillary's emails, That's why we get

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Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden bullshit, That's why we get all of

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Speaker 3: these stories because the media gives up on reporting something

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Speaker 3: that they shouldn't be giving up on reporting just because

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Speaker 3: we've become used to it by now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree. I wonder what this

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Speaker 1: sort of solve is for that right, because we have

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Speaker 1: a very diminished mainstream media, we have local news. You know.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I think is so it is what

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Speaker 1: will be so bad if we can't keep it going?

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Speaker 1: Is this sort of investigation stories the very I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this investigation where Trump may have gotten

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Speaker 1: money from Egypt, right, and we know Egypt likes to

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Speaker 1: give people money. We saw that with a certain Democratic

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Speaker 1: senator from New Jersey, so there's a precedent for this.

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Speaker 1: It's a nonpartisan activity. Those stories are expensive, and they

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Speaker 1: are manpower and lawyers and FactCheck and that stuff is

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Speaker 1: the stuff that Republicans really get crazy about, because if

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Speaker 1: you don't have investigations like that, you don't have a

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Speaker 1: free press, and you really are on your way to

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Speaker 1: a dictatorship.

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Speaker 3: Correct. And look, I think that obviously the press is

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Speaker 3: a major partner in accountability. I do think the onus

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Speaker 3: is on them to figure out how to iterate and

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Speaker 3: reach more people right now in this information ecosystem that

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Speaker 3: we have, because we can't just allow it to kind

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Speaker 3: of die on the vine. I don't want to equate

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Speaker 3: that kind of very important investigative journalism with both sides media,

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Speaker 3: and I do think that both sides media does a

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Speaker 3: disservice to the essential investigative journalism that keeps this country

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Speaker 3: running and keeps our politicis accountable. That's what hurts them.

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Speaker 3: In fact, because when people look away from the media

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Speaker 3: more broadly and these media figures and these media outlets

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Speaker 3: because of the both sides media, the unfortunate byproduct is

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Speaker 3: that we lose attention on the really important stories that

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Speaker 3: you just alluded to, and so the onus is on

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Speaker 3: them to either cut that out because people can see

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Speaker 3: through the both sides ism, or figure out how to

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Speaker 3: iterate to be able to make sure that that kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff remains even as as mainstream media gets fewer

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Speaker 3: and fewer viewers.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian, Thanks Molly.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it a moment exactly. Jesse Cannon, Molly jung Fast.

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Speaker 5: I listened to too much of that Trump elon Twitter space,

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Speaker 5: and my god, was it bat See.

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Speaker 1: I love this because I couldn't get in, so I

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Speaker 1: just want to best.

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Speaker 5: I listened to the recap, you know.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't get in. Oh well, that

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Speaker 1: was one.

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Speaker 5: Of the fun features is elon lying about a d

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Speaker 5: DOOS attack. Verge got sources inside X that said, Nope,

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Speaker 5: He's like, no DDUS attach as usual. They're full of shit.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting to me about this is that it's a

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Speaker 1: live stream. It's something that's like not technologically all that complicated.

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Speaker 1: It's the year twenty twenty four, and they just couldn't

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Speaker 1: get it to work. Trump actually said that it was

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Speaker 1: because there were sixty million people on the live stream.

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Speaker 1: There were maybe, if you can trust the Twitter numbers

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Speaker 1: a million at the time, but who knows if it

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Speaker 1: was that. So that whole fiasco. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: like having maybe your biggest donor ask you questions, it's

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Speaker 1: not technically.

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Speaker 5: It's not exactly journalism like some people are saying today.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to get Melinda Gates to

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Speaker 1: ask Kamila Harris a bunch of questions, we could do

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Speaker 1: that too, and probably live stream would work. That's it

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Speaker 1: for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds in politics

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Speaker 1: makes sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what

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Speaker 1: you've heard, please send it to a friend and keep

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Speaker 1: the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.