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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs wants the sex worker to be well in doubt. Again,

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Speaker 2: this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.

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Speaker 3: They've got a lot of great evidence against Diddy, but

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Speaker 3: if they engage in prosecutorial.

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Speaker 4: Mission, if the engage.

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Speaker 5: Enough to prove this showing the state's putting on too

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Speaker 5: much evidence, it's wrong.

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Speaker 6: I heard doctor Marshall described was a domestic battery situation,

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Speaker 6: and that's.

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Speaker 4: What this is. That's what I've been saying. This is

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Speaker 4: not sex traffic.

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Speaker 1: I think people.

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Speaker 7: Around him knew that he had an assassination with powerful.

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Speaker 2: Looking famous people private parts. Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neill. This

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Speaker 2: is what he's interested in.

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Speaker 8: This fantasy is of being at the center of attention,

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Speaker 8: the king of the world, and maybe the fact is

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Speaker 8: he's compensating for his small appendage.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I

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Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us. Straight out

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Speaker 2: to the courthouse standing by Tisa Tells, pop culture commentator

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Speaker 2: and star of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, first of all, what happening court.

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Speaker 9: Today, Nancy today, the court was a pure circus.

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Speaker 10: Kanye West actually showed up and.

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Speaker 9: Turned the court house into Pandemonio.

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Speaker 10: By the way. We did speak to him. We were

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Speaker 10: not able to.

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Speaker 9: Get exclusive, but he is expected to be in here

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Speaker 9: all next week, so Nancy, you know I'm going to

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Speaker 9: get the exclusive for you. Aside from that, Viddy was

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Speaker 9: called nodding again by the prosecution.

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Speaker 10: The prosecution brought it up to the judge.

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Speaker 9: Bryant still actually stood up and said he vouches his

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Speaker 9: personal integrity that he did not see Ditty nodding. The

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Speaker 9: only thing is I was one hundred percent looking at

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Speaker 9: Ditty and saw him turn around and looked to his supporters,

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Speaker 10: The prosecution wanted him to know.

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Speaker 9: That's still a point of testimony. If you don't know,

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Speaker 9: now you know, and they want him to knock it off.

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Speaker 1: Taste of tales.

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Speaker 2: How did the star witness of today hold up?

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Speaker 10: Nancy, I got to tell you.

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Speaker 9: The star witness of today was the assault rifle with

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Speaker 9: filed off serial numbers that had a magazine that.

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Speaker 10: Held sixty rounds of green point ammal. What is that?

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Speaker 9: Well, Homeland Security was kind enough to explain it is

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Speaker 9: a type of ammal that.

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Speaker 10: Actually pierces bullet proof vest.

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Speaker 9: That was the star witness, as much as Ditty's team

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Speaker 9: tried and tried it again to seem like it's just

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Speaker 9: casual and casual of the security to have this gun

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Speaker 9: around with no serial numbers. Listen, you cannot make green

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Speaker 9: point ammunition seem as it's just standard security protocol.

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Speaker 10: Again, we were shocked.

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Speaker 1: TSA.

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Speaker 2: How was Sean Combs reacting to the testimony? Did he

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Speaker 2: do his usual kicking around, twirling around, putting his head

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Speaker 9: Listen, you want to know how Sean did he calms

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Speaker 9: is reacting to testimony vigorously turning around and nodding ahead.

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Speaker 10: Again, the prosecution.

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Speaker 9: Let it be known that they have people on all

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Speaker 9: points of the courtroom looking at him. Again, I will

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Speaker 9: say one thing, did he sees an inch? He will

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Speaker 9: take a mile? Unfortunately, the prosecution let it be known

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Speaker 9: it ends today and the judge actually put a reminder.

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Speaker 10: I believe now, did he is well?

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Speaker 9: Notice there's nobody else he can not his head at

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Speaker 9: which I wouldn't put it past him. Again, Diddy's body

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Speaker 2: And you know what, Rumshooter, you with all these years

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Speaker 2: as a PR expert, the jury can very likely smell

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Speaker 2: the stink of fear.

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Speaker 10: You can.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it's like a presence in the courtroom. Once the

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Speaker 2: tide turns, suddenly the whole dynamic changes in the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: And I want to hear from your point of view, specifically,

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Speaker 2: how Sean Combs is responding to this turn in the tide.

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Speaker 7: He'll be shocked, so at first he'll be in denial

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Speaker 7: and some of them did not go very well, and

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Speaker 7: he used to say afterwards, I could feel the crowd.

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Speaker 7: I'm losing the crowd. That's what he must be feeling

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Speaker 7: right now. He is losing this jury.

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Speaker 4: However, knowing Puffy like I do, he doesn't give in

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Speaker 7: He's going to be screaming at his lawyers. He's going

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Speaker 2: Did you hear Rob Shooter that ray J who I

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Speaker 2: got in a big knockdown here at Knockdown drag out

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Speaker 2: with the other day over. Sean Combs has now threatened

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Speaker 2: to leave the country because of the Didy trial. He

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Speaker 2: Diddy trial, because these women are being represented in court,

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Speaker 2: They're being given a voice after years of abuse, But

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Speaker 1: Really him and Alec Baldwin Bye, I heard this story.

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Speaker 4: I saw your conversation with him.

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Speaker 7: I think it's about being a cology. Know, Nancy, I

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Speaker 7: do not have to sit down and get on your

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Speaker 7: show with you, as much as I enjoy talking to you, Nancy,

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Speaker 7: But I think people that worked with Didy, people that

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Speaker 4: You can't be quiet, you can't run away. That is

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Speaker 4: being complicit. You have to just speak out.

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Speaker 7: There are a lot of people in New York around

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Speaker 7: around diggy editors of magazines, executives and Essay Norder, the

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Speaker 7: Where are all those people now? I tried to come

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Speaker 7: and call a lot of them, and nobody's returning, my

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Speaker 2: Running away from Seawn Combs. And also what's concerning for

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Speaker 2: instance here ray j is a great example. He seems

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Speaker 2: after all this testimony, that's not good because it's a

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Speaker 2: test for who on the jury could be feeling the same.

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Speaker 2: You've described one jurrr, a lady gurr who you've been

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so in the middle row on the left. Okay,

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Speaker 9: they're sharing a monitor.

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Speaker 10: Again. I have to tell you how impactful this was.

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Speaker 10: The prosecution didn't just show one picture, two picture. It

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Speaker 9: Were leaning in almost as if they were looking at

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Speaker 9: like gruesome carnage and leaning out. At one point she

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Speaker 9: were squirming. They literally had to look away, and the

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Speaker 9: and it was so impactful. Again, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 9: At that time, I think mistrial. They started to get

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Speaker 9: the idea of throwing in another mistrial. The jury was repulsed,

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Speaker 9: but again that shocked the all, leaning.

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Speaker 1: In like what is that?

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Speaker 11: Oh my god, it was a lot.

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Speaker 9: Again we wanted to see what was on those photos too,

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Speaker 9: But I see the point the prosecution was making, like

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Speaker 9: these are very graphic, disgusting, whatever it is, but it

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Speaker 2: So Jason, what about the male jurors Are they responding

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Speaker 9: I gotta I gotta say it was a little bit

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Speaker 9: concerned about the male jervers, But when it comes to

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Speaker 9: the graphic nature and the pictures, they also were very,

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Speaker 9: very disgusted again leaning in, what is that, rubbing their

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Speaker 10: Like it was a lot again, the.

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Speaker 9: Prosecution through all of the smoke screens. You know, they

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Speaker 9: are moving forward now and again. When we heard testimony

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Speaker 10: Been losing them. But the pictures it bought it home.

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Speaker 2: You know, to Troy Slayton, trial lawyer out of LA

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Speaker 2: when a grown man looks away from a photo of

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Speaker 2: But here's.

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Speaker 3: What's well, Here's what really concerns me, Nancy, is that

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Speaker 3: the prosecutors shouldn't overplay their hand. They've got a lot

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Speaker 5: Engagement doesn't have enough to prove this, putting on too

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Speaker 1: It's wrong.

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Speaker 3: But what they can't use is one witness to say

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Speaker 3: So the federal rules of evidence are very specific.

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Speaker 2: All you've gotten to say select the defendant is a

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Speaker 1: Away from a photo of a naked woman.

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Speaker 2: They're disgusted, they're nauseated, they're grossed out. And you're talking

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Speaker 2: what what? That's what I'm asking you. So you're trying

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Speaker 3: If they have a great, wonderful playbook of all this evidence,

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Speaker 3: why don't they just stay to that. Why do they

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Speaker 3: try to overplay their hand by keeping to show these

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Speaker 1: Federal ruth is terrible when you have a royal flush.

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Speaker 3: But the federal rules don't allow it.

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Speaker 2: Back to Tisa Tails joining us at the courthouse, Tisa

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Speaker 2: that apology video that Jane was there when comes brings

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Speaker 2: in the family advisors her, they talk to a lawyer

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Speaker 2: about doing the apology video. And it seems as if

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Speaker 2: Seawan Holmes was instructed not to use Cassie's name, And

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Speaker 2: I think I know why because it would be somewhat

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Speaker 2: of an admission. So tell me about Jane's testimony about

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Speaker 2: her helping construct that apology video that Shawn Combs disseminated

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Speaker 9: One of the most shocking things that came out about

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Speaker 9: in the courthouse was, as you know, the his apology

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Speaker 9: video was largely well received, not well received because people.

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Speaker 10: Thought that it was.

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Speaker 9: Disrespectful because he never said Cassie's name. We found out,

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Speaker 9: and it was super shocking by a Mark Agnofilio that

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Speaker 9: of there because she may well be a grand jury witness.

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Speaker 9: And already they were forward thinking that they didn't want

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Speaker 11: Now, what does that tell us?

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Speaker 9: It tells us, and it told the courtroom largely he

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Speaker 9: knew how much trouble he was in, and he knew

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Speaker 9: Jane was one of the only people that can.

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Speaker 2: Now, I want everybody to look at what Pa tells

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Speaker 12: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you gotta do that. I was fucked up.

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Speaker 12: I mean I had rock bottom, but I made no excuses.

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Speaker 12: I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video. Disgusted,

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Speaker 2: I really don't even know what to say that. That's

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Speaker 1: Woa whoa woe?

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Speaker 2: Tisa tells, isn't it true according to the witness who

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Speaker 2: After his apology video, he then goes on to beat

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Speaker 1: Objection, my rear end. That's a lie, be a better man?

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Speaker 10: He beat her to helen back.

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Speaker 1: Is that when he's a better man tore down the

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Speaker 9: What happened in court when Jane Doe testified, we all

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Speaker 9: hear that little bunny rabbit talk about. Yes, she threw

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Speaker 11: She ran to the bedroom door, realizing quickly she made

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Speaker 9: She locked the door. He kicked in the door again.

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Speaker 9: These are expensive, heavy doors. She even said it was

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Speaker 10: Which seems to be the Diddy Special. Let's see what

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Speaker 11: But he kicked in one door, right it was.

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Speaker 10: She ran to the bathroom. He kicked in the door

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Speaker 9: She ran to the closet hiding and Kit was trying

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Speaker 10: She did what she could. She seriously changed into a

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Speaker 9: She ran out the house barefoot too, six blocks barefoot

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Speaker 9: Came back, still scared out of her mind and came

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Speaker 11: And the violence she actually said he went through. It

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Speaker 9: It actually shocks and mind you why we're listening to

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Speaker 11: Just how damaging her testimony was to him.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to the courthouse, taste of tails.

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Speaker 2: You know it's bad when Jimmy Kimmel gets a mouthful

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Speaker 1: End right, he bent right.

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Speaker 2: Into Sean Combs talking about having his children attend the trial.

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Speaker 2: It's not the quote ideal take your family to work day.

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Speaker 2: It's the family still sitting in the courtroom, the children

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Speaker 9: I will think justin Colmes has been mia. However, we

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Speaker 9: all this time. We don't know if Diddy has pr

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Speaker 9: They're passing notes back to each other. They're writing things down. Now,

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Speaker 9: it has been very tense. They look around, but they

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Speaker 10: But it makes me wonder.

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Speaker 9: Okay, as nice as those kids seem to be, and

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Speaker 9: also might be taking their trust funds. Because you gotta asks,

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Speaker 10: Or true?

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Speaker 9: Because this is a unanimous showing of love and support.

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Speaker 1: Tis to think back.

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Speaker 2: Work comes as children in the courtroom when we heard

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Speaker 1: Did they hear that too?

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Speaker 10: Ugly enough? Every single time the Colmbs' children.

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Speaker 9: Heard devastating, disgusting, perverse testimony about their father, Okay, the

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Speaker 10: I don't know if it is because they needed.

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Speaker 9: horrible abuse and depravity with women that they largely knew.

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Speaker 9: For Let's think about Cassie, she was with Dinny four

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Speaker 10: Again, very very odd.

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Speaker 2: So Greg Morse joining me, veteran Troyal lawyer, criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 2: saying it's just a tiff between boyfriend and girlfriend.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's the James testimony. If I didn't know who

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Speaker 10: Here, thanks sre Well.

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Speaker 4: I know it's not people that the day.

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Speaker 6: Before Sean Combs is arrested, they go and have a

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Speaker 4: Intentionally did it.

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Speaker 6: They only got angry after the fact, and that's what.

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Speaker 4: We're seeing here.

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Speaker 6: And as far as the sex trafficking case, unfortunately, these

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Speaker 2: The mistaw motion was by the defense. I believe it's

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Speaker 1: So doctor Bethany Marshall, when a woman.

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Speaker 2: Is beaten and beaten and beaten and dragged and hiding

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be locked in a room and

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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, she's saying no. No means no. Even adolescents

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Speaker 8: and he kicks down four doors. And let me tell

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Speaker 8: you something, Nancy, when a person is enraged or having

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Speaker 8: could have left, or if she was afraid for her life.

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Speaker 1: Kimmel and I quote.

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Speaker 2: If that wasn't bad enough, Diddy's mother was there to

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Speaker 2: hear this. Report say when she entered the courtroom, he

449
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Speaker 2: checked in and asked if she had ate any thing.

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Speaker 2: She said she did. Kimmel says, get ready to throw up.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 13: If that wasn't bad enough, Diddy's mother was there to

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Speaker 13: hear this. Reports say that when she entered the courtroom,

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Speaker 13: he checked in, he asked her if she eaten anything.

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Speaker 13: She said, I did eat and then he told her

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Speaker 13: get ready to throw off because.

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Speaker 2: Tasa Hills is Shawnkamm's family still filming a documentary of this.

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Speaker 2: This is going to become his legacy, his sex trafficking trial.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, I know everybody has heard the rumors that

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Speaker 9: look like they've been confirmed that Shaun Colton's family is

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Speaker 9: actually filling a documentary on this. Again, one could argue

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Speaker 9: this legacy is going to be a sex trafficking file.

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Speaker 10: I think the documentary should be followed.

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Speaker 9: Daddy's money is about to dry up due to federal

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Speaker 9: forfeiture and we need other ways. Again, you gotta wonder

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Speaker 9: are they really just living in La la land and

468
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Speaker 9: drinking whatever did he is serving again?

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Speaker 10: Did he like spike drinks?

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Speaker 9: It makes me think where they're putting it in the

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Speaker 9: kid's milk, because how can they think, after what the

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Speaker 9: prosecution has done, that their father is going to get off.

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Speaker 9: It's actually takesperience that they are documenting probably the last

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Speaker 9: time they will ever see their father when he is

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Speaker 9: not behind bars. I hope they're holding on to this

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Speaker 9: time in the courtroom. And sadly enough, it looks like

477
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Speaker 9: that documentary is going to capture every last sad moment.

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Speaker 2: The defense trying their best to skewer a witness on

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Speaker 2: the stand, a former girlfriend of Shan Comes only known

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Speaker 2: as Jane too Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse

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Speaker 2: store of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa did they crack her?

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Speaker 1: And wait, Tisa, have you ever seen, for instance.

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Speaker 2: A horror movie or one of those satanic movies where

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Speaker 2: they throw holy water on the possessed person or the

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Speaker 2: demon and they ooh and it burns them. That's what

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Speaker 2: Jane is to ditty, That's what's happening she's the holy

487
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Speaker 2: water being thrown on ditty, right, and he's cringing and

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Speaker 2: they are trying to stab her through the heart with

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Speaker 2: a wooden steak. That's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: All day long. They went at it. Did it work?

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Speaker 1: Did they crack her?

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Speaker 9: Judging from the sentiment in the courtroom, it does not

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Speaker 9: look like she they cracked her. She stayed strong and

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Speaker 9: this is the best they could do. When she's in

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Speaker 9: the early years of the relationship. She hasn't gotten to

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Speaker 9: the part where he literally ripped his mask off. You know,

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Speaker 9: they didn't crack her because what they were claiming is ridiculous.

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Speaker 9: One hundred and fifty thousand over three years. You can

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Speaker 9: make fifty thousand a year. I believe working a little

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Speaker 9: bit of overtime. Again, it is it's always a choose

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Speaker 9: your own adventure. But it's lafable to believe. And Jane

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Speaker 9: did a good job of driving it home, like she said,

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Speaker 9: and it literally after that, we went immediately to a

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Speaker 9: break where she said, well, how much is my body worth?

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Speaker 9: Did He's team was taken aback and flat footed, because

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Speaker 9: what do you say to something like that, Because to

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Speaker 9: give a number it proves everything.

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Speaker 10: We think about Diddy, But again it was a powerful moment.

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Speaker 9: And Jane the little bunny rabbit, she is sharpening her

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Speaker 9: shake and she is in there fending off.

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Speaker 11: So I definitely think she did agreed.

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Speaker 2: Okay to send me some of our crime stories. Investigative reporter.

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Speaker 2: Do I understand this correctly? That Shawn comes aka Diddy fetishized.

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Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil. Okay, have you ever met him?

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Speaker 2: Hay's as tall as a door, right, I would not

516
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Speaker 2: mess with him. I wonder how he feels finding out

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Speaker 2: he's been fetishized by Shawn Combs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's neither here nor there. Plus Michael Jordan and

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Speaker 1: Kobe what Well.

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Speaker 14: That aligns with previous testimony that we've heard that Seawan

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Speaker 14: kOhm specifically wanted to see entertainers Genitalia before they were

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Speaker 14: invited for a freak off because he wanted it to

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Speaker 14: be as big as possible and not plays into this

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Speaker 14: Sadism's doctor Marshall.

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Speaker 1: Us may whoa what?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Please call me? What did you say?

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Speaker 14: Tisa tell told us this a few days ago?

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Speaker 2: What did you say about Shaq's Genitalia?

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Speaker 14: I would have to assume that Shaq being the person

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Speaker 14: that he is is a very large person in every aspect. Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, see here, Sydney, we talked about murder, serial murder, rape, arson,

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Speaker 2: childless station, drug lords. I don't have time for euphemisms.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday you, Tisa Tales, kept talking to me about how

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Speaker 2: Seawn Comes, one of the sex workers, would be quote

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Speaker 2: well endowed. Okay, you're making it sound like, as I said,

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Speaker 2: a trust fund at Harvard University, when you're actually talking

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Speaker 2: about the physicality and I'm trying to put it delicately

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Speaker 2: so we don't get thrown off the air of the

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Speaker 2: sex workers. Is that correct? That's a yes, no, Tisa Tales.

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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, and listen, just a yes, just a yes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Sidney Sumner, don't put perfume on the pig.

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Speaker 14: Tell it well, Nancy. It appears that Sean Combs wanted

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Speaker 14: an entertainer that could make up for his good feel

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Speaker 14: So we know that Seawan Colms, according to the civil lawsuit,

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Speaker 14: is not well endowed, so we think that he hired

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Speaker 14: entertainers that were much more so. And this could either

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Speaker 14: just be a personal insecurity or maybe it is this

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Speaker 14: sadism idea that doctor Bethidy Marshall has brought up several

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Speaker 14: times that he wanted the women who participated in these

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Speaker 14: hotel nights to feel some level of pain every single

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Speaker 14: time that they participated, and I wanted to restond Eric.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, because I want to hear that.

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Speaker 14: So Sata said that the defense made it seeing that

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Speaker 14: Colmes ended these hotel nights early as Jane expressed being uncomfortable.

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Speaker 14: But she pushed back on that idea and said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 14: that was not out of sympathy for me. That was

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Speaker 14: not for my protection. That was because Sean Combs didn't

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Speaker 14: want to waste time on a bad hotel night when

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Speaker 14: it was clear I didn't have chemistry with this entertainer.

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Speaker 14: And that's why Jane says that she had a hand

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Speaker 14: in hiring entertainers, because there were certain people that she

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Speaker 14: at least knew and was comfortable with and wasn't so

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Speaker 14: freaked out by the fact that she was having sex

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Speaker 14: with a sex worker without a condom or a very

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Speaker 14: sweaty man, as Titha told us, so, the only reason

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Speaker 14: she had a hand in setting these up was to

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Speaker 14: protect herself, and Shawn Combs never canceled anything for her comfort.

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Speaker 14: It was because he didn't want to waste his time

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Speaker 14: and money on a bad hotel.

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Speaker 2: Night Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now joining us from

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Speaker 2: the Monahan Federal Courthouse is Lauren Khnlin, starov Pop Crime

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Speaker 2: TV on YouTube. Investigative reporter Lauren Colin. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. What's your takeaway of what happened in

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Speaker 2: court today?

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Speaker 15: Maureen Comy made another comment to the judge that she

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Speaker 15: saw Diddy nodding again, not at the jury, but he

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Speaker 15: was nodding during cross examination, and at this point Brian

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Speaker 15: stealed up and said, your honor, my client has been

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Speaker 15: nothing but professional and mis call me.

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Speaker 10: She can't see him.

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Speaker 11: She's relying on.

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Speaker 10: The word of others.

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Speaker 15: And the judge said, look, there's gonna be a significant

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Speaker 15: number of reactions in the courtroom. I can't police all

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Speaker 15: of them. However, I am facing mister Holmes. You know,

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Speaker 15: I haven't seen him look at the jury, and I

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Speaker 15: will continue to watch this and look, does did he nod?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 15: He nods, But I think at this point, since he

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Speaker 15: was admonished the other day, he would be very silly

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Speaker 15: to go and look at the jury again and continue nodding.

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Speaker 15: So we'll keep an eye on that as well. And

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Speaker 15: today the jury their reaction, I think they had a

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Speaker 15: laugh or two during Agnifilo's cross when he brought up

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Speaker 15: the baby oil and the fact that Hsi has never

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Speaker 15: taken baby oil from a raid before. And then at

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Speaker 15: the end of his cross he kind of said, oh,

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Speaker 15: you're from LA to the special agent and he said yeah,

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Speaker 15: and then Agniholo said great, enjoy and joy New York,

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Speaker 15: and then everybody kind of.

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Speaker 10: Had a laugh.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, hold on on, doctor beth Ay Marshall,

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Speaker 2: you see me looking off cameras because.

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Speaker 1: I had to make a flow chart.

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Speaker 2: So Seawan Combs wants the sex worker to be, in

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Speaker 2: the words of Sidney Sumner and Tasta tails Well in doubt. Again,

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Speaker 2: this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University.

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Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about. Does this have anything

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Speaker 1: to do with that?

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Speaker 8: Well, not only is Diddy the diddler on the down low,

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Speaker 8: but he is compensating for his small penis, and I

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Speaker 8: do think that he has I think I would say

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Speaker 8: in all seriousness, poly perverse meaning a perversion technically is

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Speaker 8: when somebody cannot achieve orgasm through a relationship with another person.

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Speaker 8: They can only achieve orgasm through some fetishized experience like

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Speaker 8: looking at a penis, maybe a high heel, a whip,

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Speaker 8: a chain, something that just stimulates their fantasy, but it

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Speaker 8: has nothing to do with the person there in front

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Speaker 8: of And a common one is sadism. We talked about

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Speaker 8: this yesterday after the courtroom day wrapped. Is that is

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Speaker 8: inflicting pain and cruelty and humiliation on another person in

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Speaker 8: order to achieve sexual arousal. But I think that this

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Speaker 8: fantasy is of being at the center of attention, the

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Speaker 8: king of the world, somebody who has great capabilities, and

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Speaker 8: maybe the fact is he's compensating for his small appendage.

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Speaker 2: But one thing I don't get dot to Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 2: it's like a fantasy on a fantasy and they're all weird.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me look at my float chart. It's

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Speaker 1: a role.

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Speaker 2: Play where Sean Combs is Michael Jordan, Okay, the paid

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Speaker 2: escort male escort has a shack attack he's Shack Shaquille O'Neil,

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Speaker 2: and Jane is Kobe. So it's a fantasy on top

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Speaker 2: of a fan fantasy.

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Speaker 1: What is there a name for that?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 8: Nancy I in my clinical practice, I often explore people's

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Speaker 8: sexual fantasies to try to get to the bottom of

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Speaker 8: what their character logical issues are. And this one would

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Speaker 8: take six months of psychoanalysis. Let me tell you. I mean,

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Speaker 8: I think there's this identification with these greats right, that

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Speaker 8: he wants to be like them. That's his rezondaetra in life.

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Speaker 8: I think he wants to be penetrated by them, so

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Speaker 8: the idea that he's the recipient of a sex act.

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Speaker 8: But you know, you can't just call up Shack and

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Speaker 8: say can we Netflix and chill?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 8: You can't do that, or can I take you out

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Speaker 8: for a drink?

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Speaker 10: So what are you going to do?

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Speaker 8: You're going to substitute some poor woman, You're sex trafficking

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Speaker 8: in your fantasy life for Shaquille O'Neil, or you're actually

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Speaker 8: she substitutes free from him.

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Speaker 2: I've got to go to the pr guru on this,

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Speaker 2: Rob Sheeter joining us as naughty but Nice and you

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Speaker 2: can find him at Rob Sheeter's.

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Speaker 1: Daily news letter on a substack.

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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter Daily Newsletter on substack. Who knew about this

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Speaker 2: fascination with the NBA greats Now?

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Speaker 1: I think I recall.

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Speaker 2: Seeing Comb's front line on the on the court at

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Speaker 2: professional basketball games with various women.

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Speaker 1: But who knew he.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't watching the scoreboard, That's not what he was doing.

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Speaker 7: I think people around him knew that he had a

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00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 7: fascination with powerful people. When I was working with him,

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00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 7: he had a very unusual, interesting fastination.

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Speaker 10: What are you saying.

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00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: What are you saying.

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00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: We're not talking about Gandhi or the president, famous people,

672
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: famous people, private parts.

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Speaker 1: Why are you saying.

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Speaker 2: He was obsessed with famous people, because from what I understand, this.

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Speaker 1: Is what he's interested in a set of these.

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Speaker 7: Thought I don't know if I have thoughts about that,

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 7: but I do have thoughts about the great I don't know, Nancy,

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00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 7: I'm not I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world.

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00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: I don't know quite where to say what to say

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00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: about this one here.

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 7: I think Puffy is saying it or for us, But

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00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 7: I also think too, this witness is amazing, This Jane do.

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Speaker 4: The ropes.

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Speaker 1: Puffy is a force. I don't even know what that means.

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00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: Puffy is a force.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to your your safe place. What did

687
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 2: you mean he's obsessed with famous people?

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00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: He was really obsessed with Prince Harry and William.

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Speaker 7: When I worked with him, he had photographs of the

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00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 7: young princes they're about eighteen or nineteen years old. He

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00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 7: wanted that touch of royalty to come to his parties.

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00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 7: He would always ask me what was going on with them.

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Speaker 7: Puff also to love the weekly magazines. Most people think

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Speaker 7: the weekly magazines come out on a Friday.

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00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: They don't. They come out on a Wednesday. In New York.

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Speaker 7: Puff was the first person at the new stand or

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00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 7: he sent an assistant to go through the weekly magazines.

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Speaker 7: He would circle people that he wanted to be famous

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Speaker 7: around him. Ashton Kutcher was somebody that he had a

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00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 7: really unusual obsession with. And so Puff being obsessed with

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Speaker 7: people that are powerful, successful, I think that has gone

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Speaker 7: on a really long time.

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00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: So Rob Shooter, you wouldn't touch a pair of these

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00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: with a ten foot pole, right. Well, I not talk

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00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: about it, but you hear the bizarre role play that

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00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: he insisted on with Jane and I got to tell

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00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: you something. There's a point in the courtroom where you

708
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: have to be confident enough in your case and in

709
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: yourself to say no further questions because you're making it worse.

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00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: The defense is digging their own grave with their teeth,

711
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 2: talking and fucking and trying and trying to massage Jane's

712
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: testimony all day long across exam has backfired spectacularly.

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00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: You're right, Nancy, No further questions. You've got me.

714
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: I understand that Greg Morris is gnashing his teeth and

715
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: switching his tail.

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00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: What's your problem?

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00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting that you know, I've never heard of

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00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 6: sex traffic victims go to NOBU one night then go

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00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 6: on their own this No, listen, all the testimony that's

720
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 6: been given so far from Jane and Cassie's own mouth

721
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 6: is that they thought this was going to be.

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00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: A path to whatever in their career.

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Speaker 6: Maybe Cassie doesn't sing that well and she thought this

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Speaker 6: would work.

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Speaker 1: Have nice things.

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00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 16: No, but you're conflating so many to a corner fraw, remember, Nancy, right,

727
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 16: you just don't like.

728
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: That anything about the Pampromeos nothing, Okay.

729
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 6: I heard after Marshall described was a domestic battery situation,

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Speaker 6: and that's.

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Speaker 4: What this is. That's what I've been saying. This is

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Speaker 4: not it's not even closed.

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Speaker 6: No, but you're watching different cases. You're just upset that

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Speaker 6: as usual, the right over the prostitution.

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Speaker 1: You think of.

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Speaker 2: Something new to say, You already said that.

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00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: We're watching different cases on her Sidney Summer.

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Speaker 2: Got a question for you. Let's get down to some

739
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: breast tacks here. Isn't it true that today during a

740
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Speaker 2: discussion regarding evidence amongst the lawyers, we find out about

741
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: two more recorded phone calls from King Combs, Seawan Combs himself.

742
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Speaker 2: He doesn't make Christina Korum do his dirty work. He

743
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: gets on the phone himself. What's the significance of that

744
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Speaker 2: phone call with Jane?

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Speaker 14: Well, Nancy, We heard one phone call after their twenty

746
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Speaker 14: twenty three trip to Turks and Caicos, where Jane says

747
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 14: that Colmbs sprung another hotel night on her and then

748
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 14: offense had a good point here. Jane had reached out

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Speaker 14: to an entertainer before they even left, intending to invite

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00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 14: him on the trip, so they did make a good

751
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 14: point there. But we hear a phone call after that

752
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 14: where they're exchanging loving messages about how much fun they

753
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 14: had on this trip, and Sean Combs called Jane his

754
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 14: crack pipe. They don't know if that's supposed to be romantic,

755
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 14: but we heard that he had such a good time

756
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 14: with her, and that he's so addicted to being with

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00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 14: her that he was going to call her his crack pipe.

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Speaker 2: Going forward, and now we remember an American hero, Detective

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Nicholas Pepper LaForce Pearis, Sheriff's Office, Louisiana. Detective Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Pepper struck and killed during pursuit after twenty four years

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Speaker 2: in law enforcement, leaving behind a grieving wife, Christy, and children,

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Speaker 2: patients Gracie and Nicholas. The second American hero, Detective Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Pepper. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend