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Speaker 3: Our Phillies correspondent Alex Carr with us here late on

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Speaker 3: a Thursday night to eulogize this twenty twenty five Marlins

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Speaker 3: team only now only now fourth to last day the

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Speaker 3: entire regular season getting officially eliminated from the postseason. Simultaneously,

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Speaker 3: as I'm seeing on my other screen the Triple A

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville Jumbo shrim are champion. So that's a small constellation

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Speaker 3: that we might get into as the stream goes along.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of the sentiments I think within our

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Speaker 3: staff have been the same on this Kevin that even

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Speaker 3: though Marlins will not be going to October, they will

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Speaker 3: not be finishing above five hundred. The fact that these

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Speaker 3: things are even on the table in late September is

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Speaker 3: such a win and so far and away deiondo we

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Speaker 3: could have imagined for this year.

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Speaker 4: I think guys like summed it up pretty well in

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Speaker 4: the tweet. If you would have told any of us

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Speaker 4: that the Marlins on what is it today September twenty

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Speaker 4: fifth would now just be eliminated from the playoffs or

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Speaker 4: playoff contention, you would think we would call you crazy

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Speaker 4: because this team was projected to lose ninety two games

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Speaker 4: per Fangrafts only win sixty nine games. Nice, and this

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Speaker 4: was like the team on paper looked really bad. Like

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Speaker 4: you looked at the team, no one would have expected

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Speaker 4: Kyle Stowers to do what he did. Sandiel Contra, the

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Speaker 4: second half that he's had has been really refreshing to see.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Yuri Perez coming out of the gates looking

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Speaker 4: you know, such a young team with a lot to

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Speaker 4: you know, feel so good about for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Marci then he also had gusts the way he came

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Speaker 4: into the you know, into the fold pretty early on

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Speaker 4: in the season, Like the fact that this team could

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Speaker 4: If they sweep the Nets would be awesome, and it would,

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Speaker 4: I mean, regardless of what happens this weekend, like the

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Speaker 4: in the right path for the sustained success, and I

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Speaker 4: and start from day one instead of you know, all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden making the miraculous comeback, sweeping the Yankees,

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Speaker 4: in the offseason nothing special, you know, but something you know,

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Speaker 5: It's certainly I.

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Speaker 4: Think Crotchet said it, maybe put it on Twitter, like

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Speaker 4: Maybe twenty eight. Twenty twenty six looks like a year

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Speaker 4: that the Marlins could compete, assuming we'll talk about it more,

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Speaker 4: but like, the rotation looks really good. A lot of

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Speaker 4: there's a lot to be excited about with this season,

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Speaker 6: This team really only needs a first baseman, and defensively,

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Speaker 2: Than what irritated me about this one is that the

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Speaker 2: So I just would have liked to see that aggressive

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Speaker 3: Well, Alex Carr. From your perspective, does it bring you

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Speaker 5: Me particularly know, just because as much as you know,

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Speaker 3: just shows that's part of the reason why they were

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00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 3: in the mix. Our staffer Lewis Addie o wise, he's

437
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: he really got caught up on this one detail, which

438
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 3: I think is fair, the fact that the Marlins have

439
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: a run differential that's minus ninety something like the fact

440
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: that for them to it was it was minus now

441
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 3: minus ninety two, So for them to even be floating

442
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: around five hundred. They were getting some lucky breaks just

443
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 3: to be in this position. And the idea that they

444
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: would have even had a chance to make the playoffs.

445
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: This team was. There's some interesting conversation about whether this

446
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: team was how it compares quality wise with the twenty

447
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 3: twenty three team. I think twenty twenty three was better

448
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: that they just had. They had some big injuries at

449
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: the end that made it gave them really no shot

450
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 3: it made it to October. But this team, you know,

451
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: they were something sets to go right just for them

452
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 3: to get into this position, and not just including other

453
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: teams struggling but pulling off. There were some lucky breaks

454
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 3: that went their way as well just to get them

455
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: this close. So as much as they brought some joy

456
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: to people that during especially these final couple weeks, and

457
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: then there were really two pockets of I guess you

458
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 3: could say three pockets of joy, like at the very

459
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: beginning of the season, those first few weeks, the fact

460
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: that they were even floating around five hundred in contrast

461
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: to the year before where they immediately plummeted to the

462
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: very bottom. That it got people encouraged. And then of

463
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: course there was that extended stretch from mid June all

464
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: the way through that Yankee series of the start of August,

465
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: where they won almost every single series they played. That

466
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: was encouraging, and that got them over five hundred. For

467
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 3: at five hundred, not over five hundred. At five hundred

468
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 3: for just a moment they could not get over that hump,

469
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: but they got to five hundred, and then all of

470
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: a sudden, slumping for almost all of August, all of

471
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 3: a sudden at the very beginning of September, two series

472
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: into September, putting together this consistent stretch as well. So

473
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: there were different pockets, but there was about as much

474
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: bad as there was good from this team, and that's

475
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: kind of how they're in this scenario.

476
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: I will say, though, and I do agree, the twenty

477
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 4: twenty three team, in my opinion, was the better team.

478
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 4: But don't forget that twenty twenty three team was so lucky,

479
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: like I think even luckier than this.

480
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 5: Team, and that was that was the voodoo team, right,

481
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 5: that was.

482
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: The voodoo team that they pulled wins out of their ass.

483
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 4: I don't know how some of the yeah exactly. And

484
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: if this Marlins team would have made the postseason, it

485
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: would have been the worst. It would have topped the

486
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three team for the worst team to make

487
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 4: the postseason. That that's where.

488
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: I just hate the run diffrenchill do because I think,

489
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: without a like, without a doubt, that the twenty twenty

490
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: five team is infinitely better than that twenty twenty three team.

491
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't care what you guys say about the under

492
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: This team would have had three eight potential guys going

493
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: at them in a wild card series right away instead

494
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: of Lozardo and Garrett.

495
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: I understand entries were.

496
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: A big thing, but this team has at least six

497
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: position players, like you guys said that are at least

498
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: role players next year.

499
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 4: That twenty twenty three team had nothing.

500
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's an argument, but I would

501
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: choose that team.

502
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 5: That's I hate to run differential stat well, I mean pitching, definitely,

503
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 5: the pitching was stronger on that twenty three team. I

504
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 5: think that on the twenty three team especially yeah right,

505
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 5: I mean you had you had, you had Jesus, you

506
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: had your hell right.

507
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: And even addition, the bullpen was a lot deeper that Yeah.

508
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: That bullpen. That bullpen was the way it was utilized.

509
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: And then that was the magical Nardi season. Yeah, well

510
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: not even magically.

511
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: Was actually a good reliever too.

512
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 5: He was good and was like actually good, which is

513
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's difficult. I think that it is

514
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 5: kind of apples to oranges here and that like, you know,

515
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 5: this offense was just miles ahead of where twenty three was.

516
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 5: But that pitching, I think, I think is a flawed

517
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 5: stat but it does decent job at illustrating either one

518
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 5: thing or the other. Right, either you're pitching is you

519
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 5: know a lot better than you know it should be,

520
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 5: and thus your run differentially the one the moost thing.

521
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: I will say for both teams, these two teams are

522
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 4: extremely lucky. That does not change anything, right exactly, They're

523
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 4: both very lucky. I just think the twenty twenty three

524
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: team was a lot luckier.

525
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: But I do correct, and you can make the argument that,

526
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: of course the pitching was slightly better overall the season,

527
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: but the run differential has nothing to do with that.

528
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: It was a few awful games with Hogerson. How many

529
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: Indians it's Sanoha pitch like fifteen. I mean, you're really

530
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: gonna put run differential against like, come on, that's the.

531
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three Marlins soon.

532
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 5: I understand that, but it was kind of good pitched

533
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 5: more than freaking Ryan Weathers did this year.

534
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 3: I think that more games than Weathers did.

535
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: That's insane, you know, So it's ulous.

536
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 7: I think you can make the argument, but I still

537
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 7: would easily lean. I think Miami could take two out

538
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 7: of three at Citizens Bank Park this Wildcat Series more

539
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 7: than the twenty twenty three team.

540
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: Come on, man, tonight is this weekend against and Christopher.

541
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 2: But I'm saying if they went up easily with what

542
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: they're going to throw out against the Mets this weekend,

543
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: I think the Phillies would be a little bit scared there.

544
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

545
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 3: The bigger thing that we touched on al this is

546
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: there's more of a future beyond the current season than

547
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: twenty three.

548
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 5: Just that's the main difference.

549
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the end of the Like you knew

550
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: that you weren't gonna get that amazing season from a

551
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: rise Again. You knew that j so Laire was great

552
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: that year, and he was gonna leave free agency, so

553
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: he's gonna be gone. And the from the farm system perspective,

554
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: they had to trade several guys at the deadline just

555
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: to put together that team. It was one of the

556
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: worst systems of baseball at that moment, whereas right now

557
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: certainly top half, if not top ten, farm system in

558
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: the league, with a lot of guys that are, as

559
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: we touch on, one level away and their debuts are imminence.

560
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: And then also the fact that so many pieces of

561
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: this team are rookies, so many rookies that you naturally

562
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: expect to improve. Not all of them are gonna have

563
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: linear development. Not all of them are gonna take a

564
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 3: step forward next year, but some of them will. Some

565
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: of them will. Like Augustine Ramirez as a hitter, he's

566
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: a guy where the numbers this year are not gonna

567
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: the final numbers are not gonna paint the story of

568
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: just how talented he is offensively. He's gonna wind up

569
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: as like a below average hitter overall, but the ability

570
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: that he has, like he's a guy that his numbers

571
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: could take a pretty huge step forward once he's not catching,

572
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: and also just once he has this extra experience to

573
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: it takes.

574
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 5: Some baseballs that honestly, it feels like he defies like

575
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: the laws of physics sometimes he can. Really he's so

576
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 5: gifted in hitting balls that are even close to the

577
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: zone hard, which is very that like Pete car Armstrong

578
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: kind of thing that we're seeing of late, where guys

579
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 5: can just somehow put goodwood on balls that they shouldn't

580
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 5: be able to put goodwood on. He's definitely he's up

581
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 5: there with just some of the most talented I guess

582
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 5: hitters in which when he makes a mistake it turns

583
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 5: out to be a good result, which is really He's

584
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 5: so exciting to watch. But I think the coolest thing

585
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 5: about this team is even if because I look at

586
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: this roster overall and I say, like, there are definitely

587
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 5: guys that could be role players next year. I'm not

588
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 5: sure how many of those guys are like bonafide, like

589
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: this guy would be starting on every major league team,

590
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 5: But I do think that in free agency there are

591
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 5: so many ways to supplement that and if you like,

592
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 5: especially if you lock down first base with I don't know,

593
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: Ryan O'Hearn, something like somebody that's like still young enough

594
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 5: to you know, provide some extra juice, but not you know,

595
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 5: too old and like you don't want to sign.

596
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Eric Wagman's right in front of you, man, come.

597
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 5: On, Oh yeah, I genuinely thought that was gonna work

598
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: out for the Marlins, but I mean definitely yeah. He

599
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 5: just he was one of those like peripheral darling guys

600
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 5: that like so many people were like, oh, watch out

601
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: for this guy, watch out for this guy. I heard

602
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 5: his name so many times. I know a lot of

603
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: people in my like Philly's circle wanted to take a

604
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 5: flyer on him, just as like I don't know, utility

605
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 5: bench guy. But he I don't know. I thought it

606
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: would work out, but it definitely didn't. But like somebody

607
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 5: like Ryan O'Hearn, you know, just somebody that locks down

608
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 5: first base and just provides a constant middle of the

609
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: order bat. But then like, I don't know, go get

610
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: some of these like like Rob Refsnyder would be an

611
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 5: awesome Marlin, Like just a guy that you could you

612
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: could platu me with like any of your left handed

613
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: you know guys, is that something that somebody's said before. Well, no,

614
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 5: I'll hop.

615
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: On that just to say that it was.

616
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 5: Rep.

617
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: Snider was originally in the Yankees organization, right, so my

618
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: dad is a diehard Yankees fan, and it just it

619
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: bottles my mind that he's still like a good big

620
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: leader all these years, least because it wasn't that good

621
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: when he initially came up with.

622
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 5: There is nobody I want the Phillies to sign more

623
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: of this offseason, but because he's I'm just looking at

624
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 5: who's available, but like or a med Rosario, right, just

625
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 5: somebody that he hits left handed pitching so well, Like

626
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 5: it really is just like you know, this is a

627
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 5: very left hand heavy lineup at least with your heavy hitters.

628
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I feel like that makes some sense.

629
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 5: I don't know, just getting some supplemental guys that in

630
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 5: the aggregate can help, you know, offset some of the

631
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: weaknesses and then you know, just shoring up pitching. But

632
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 5: one big bat would do a lot of good to

633
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: this line and that's that's exciting. So I don't know,

634
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: there's so much to be happy about.

635
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: I also think like, at least on the position player side,

636
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: and if we're talking about signs. They need a veteran

637
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: presence in there, Like, you know, it's such a young

638
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: team and.

639
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: To be a free agent. Let's not start. No, I'm

640
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 5: just saying no.

641
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: I'll pass nothing against him.

642
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 5: Just no more Jazz, no problem, that's true.

643
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: I do want to ask you both, like we canna

644
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: start with Eli. Like you look at the rotation, like

645
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: it's pretty awesome, right, Like you look at these position players,

646
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: you think there's a window next year? Do you do

647
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: you think they do a couple of little things. Obviously

648
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 4: you're banking on Thomas and smiling, You're you're hoping Joe

649
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: Max some somewhat could hold it down, right, but it

650
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: would be an upgrade defensively, Like you've got guys there

651
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: you I would say defensively they're pretty good for them

652
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 4: for at least in the outfield. There's still obviously work

653
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: to do on the infield. A little bit, Like there's

654
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: a world where I think this seems to be you know,

655
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: they could at least try to try to go for

656
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: it at the start of the season, first half before

657
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 4: they you know, if they fall off, you sell. But

658
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: like there's a world where they could be pretty.

659
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: Good so I do think there's still going to be

660
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: a big priority on I don't think they're gonna as

661
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: much as some of the they have these guys knocking

662
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: on the door. I think they're still going to be

663
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: a big greedy when it comes to that that you're

664
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: not going to see these prospects on the opening day roster.

665
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: They definitely want that additional year of club control, even

666
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: if it comes back to bite them. And I also

667
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: think when it comes to the spending, that there's gonna

668
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: be a willingness to spend on one year deals. I'm

669
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: not sure what that is gonna look like when it

670
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: comes to players insisting on multiple year deals. With the

671
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: fact that this the CBA is coming up and I

672
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: think even tomorrow and so don't know exactly what that

673
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: means or what they're spending is going to have to

674
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: be or need to be regarding whether there's a potential

675
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: salary cap and salary floor and how that impacts things.

676
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: So I feel like there's still somewhat of a limited

677
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: universe of players that they're going to go after, just

678
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: because of the uncertainty surrounding that CBA coming into effect

679
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 3: and potential changes that it comes to it. Yeah, well,

680
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 3: I guess we should revisit the idea about the starting

681
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: pitching trade candidates and Sandy. Yeah, I don't they were

682
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: justified for holding onto him through the deadline because that

683
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: and that's something that I felt at the time, and

684
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: it has played out in such a way that whatever

685
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: they're being offered a couple of months ago, I think

686
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: is going to be better after the season, just getting

687
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: the way that he's and they're not in a situation

688
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: where they need to dump the money. They're not paying

689
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: anybody else, So it's not about that. It's just whether

690
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: how they feel about him, how much they trust to

691
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: moving forward into his thirties as the early thirties, compared

692
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 3: to all these other guys they have knocking on the door,

693
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: and that this is an opportunity where he continues to

694
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: be an interesting player to talk about, because it's hard

695
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: to communicate the difference between we're probably not we're not

696
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: gonna see him want to cy young again in his career,

697
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: but we're also not going to see him struggle in

698
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: the way that he did this year, And there's so

699
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: much ground in between that.

700
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 5: It's I think.

701
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: They're still gonna be kind of They're gonna be receptive

702
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: to whatever offers are out there for him if there's

703
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: an opportunity. Not that they need to hold more prospects

704
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: than they currently have, but it's about an opportunity to

705
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: just realign their roster in some ways that if they're

706
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: especially during the off season, you can get packages of

707
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: some major league ready guys at different positions that wouldn't

708
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: have been available at the deadline from teams that were

709
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: in by only mode. So I still think they're gonna

710
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: think long and hard about dealing him. And Edward Cabrera

711
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: is the we should be mind people why it is

712
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: that he is starting. He started on Tuesday, why he's

713
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: starting again on Sunday. It's because I don't think even

714
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: the team knows exactly where they stand with his elbow situation.

715
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: The velocity is there, that's fine, So it's clear that

716
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: the UCL is not torn or anything at this point,

717
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: not fully torn, I should say, in a way that

718
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: fully disables him. But it is still a sprain. It

719
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: is still the same progression that Sandy went through two

720
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: years before, where they there was that scare when he

721
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: was building up during this Throne program. In the last

722
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: few weeks, everything went fine, but they want to really

723
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: stress test that in game action as much as possible

724
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: before the end of the year to determine what you're

725
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: going to do about that, whether it is they feel

726
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: that some sort of surgery is needed anyway to get

727
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: him back. Is he actually going to be effective pitching

728
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: with a little bit of damage in his elbow, or

729
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: isn't he And that's that's why there's still something at

730
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: stake for them in that final game of the season

731
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: to see him perform again and just whether he's able

732
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: to he's able to tap into his fullL but is

733
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: he able to really execute his pitches in a way

734
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: that is, you know, measured up to the guy that

735
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: we saw through most of this year. And then what

736
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: that what that means, because he's the guy that would

737
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: have even more trade value than Sandy does if teams

738
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: are convinced that this injury scares behind them.

739
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 5: And uh, that's He's the only part of the Marlins

740
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 5: deadline that confused me. I feel like you had a

741
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 5: pretty opportune moment to deal a guy like Eddie Cabrera

742
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 5: and to not do so felt either a little too optimistic.

743
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 5: Maybe they weren't getting the offers that they were looking for,

744
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: But I kind of doubt that that's what it was

745
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 5: really because that's that surprises me.

746
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 4: So I feelk it was just more in the sense

747
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 4: that teams just weren't totally convinced that he could do

748
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: this through the entire of a full season, which he

749
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: proved he could, right, I mean, maybe one or one

750
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 4: blow up start after that maybe, But like and.

751
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: I also understand, I understand teams being concerned, but I

752
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 5: also think as far as options went, there weren't many

753
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 5: that would be better for probably the price that you

754
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 5: would be paying. And also, worst case scenario, you do

755
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 5: the thing that the Marlins have refused to do, which is,

756
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 5: you know, moveing to the bullpen. So I don't know,

757
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 5: it's it's it's a very I don't know that that

758
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 5: was the one that confused me a little bit. I

759
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 5: felt like it was a pretty opportune time to move

760
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 5: on and they didn't, which is interesting. But I mean,

761
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: having he has what another year of control, two three

762
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 5: more years, my god, that feels like an innate amount

763
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 5: of control.

764
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 3: That's to touch on man. I was so low on

765
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: on Eddie in recent years a lot because of the

766
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: durability concerns that the control issues, and I just I'd

767
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: come around watching his performance really closely this year. I'd

768
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: just come around on I wasn't convinced that he was

769
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: gonna stay healthy forever. That's always part of it, but

770
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: I was the performance changes he made and the sequencing,

771
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: especially the sequence. I thought he's the best pitcher. This

772
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: is a whole other topic about now the pitch calling

773
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: changes coming from the dugout and how that impacts things,

774
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: But getting his pitch calls from his catcher, like I

775
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: felt him more so than any other Marlins pitcher, that

776
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: he got the most out of the way that he

777
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: sequences pitches this year in his ability is the ability

778
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: to command those pitches was the most important thing. But

779
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: he just had some beautiful sequences this year, becoming a

780
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 3: much more polished pitcher than he was even last season

781
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: in the way that that part seems kind of sustainable

782
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: to me.

783
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, it helps when you have as gross stuff

784
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 5: as he does. I mean, that change up has always

785
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 5: been a darling. So it feels like, I don't know

786
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 5: that surprises me that they didn't get good offers on him,

787
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 5: because I feel like he's just always has been you know,

788
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 5: that that adjustment away since he came up to the BIGS.

789
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: So it's really really interesting.

790
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: I think it's also just like maybe mental part of

791
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: it for him, right like you look the years past,

792
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 4: like it was just a different Atward Cabrera this year

793
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: in the post game, whenever you saw him around, like

794
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: it was just different, you know, And I think part

795
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: of that was just how like I think that impacted

796
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: the way he pitched. And I think you look at

797
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: the way he was out there, like when he had

798
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: to go through some tough moments in a game, he

799
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 4: kind of stayed composed and he went after and did

800
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: this thing and he got out of it. There's a

801
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: lot of moments where he had a lot of you know,

802
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: issues on the base paths or whatever it may be,

803
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 4: and he got out of it, and it was you

804
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: would have said, the Edward Cabrera of Geez just last

805
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: year would not have gotten out of that. So a

806
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: lot of credits to go to him. I don't know

807
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 4: how much of that is maybe having guys like Sandy

808
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: now along for a little longer or who knows what

809
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: it ma had been right, but he certainly they certainly

810
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: got the best out of him this season, and obviously,

811
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: you know, you think of Cabrera the last couple of

812
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: years and you tell yourself you have to have that

813
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: concern going into Actually, like, who knows if he goes

814
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: back to what he used to be, right, But I

815
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 4: don't really see that being the case. I now, if

816
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 4: you have the opportunity to trade him, you probably should, right,

817
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 4: And that kind of goes back to what we said

818
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 4: of you could probably afford to trade a pitcher now,

819
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: to trade the one with three years of control. But

820
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 4: we were saying it two months ago that they should

821
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: trade Cabrera regardless, right with.

822
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 5: The injury concerns. Now I feel like, well, if he

823
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 5: comes out of this start looking great, actually yeah, but

824
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 5: I completely forgot about Somebody just left a comment about

825
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: Braxton Garrett and I'm like, where, how is he doing? Likes?

826
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 5: Is he still on track to is he getting pitch

827
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 5: next year?

828
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: Alicia? This is I guess I'm not confirmed on a

829
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: certain number of levels. We've just heard. We've heard, you know,

830
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: rumblings that his fit with this team moving forward is

831
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: very much up in the air. And the last time

832
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: he was he updated his progress in detail. He sounds

833
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: really optimistic abou where he would be. But there's just ya's.

834
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: Heard anything since then. The guy who ever heard anything

835
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 4: about his nadi out of way, which is insane.

836
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 5: That's a lower thing.

837
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like for it to be a back injury

838
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: that keeps you out for the whole year. It was

839
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 4: a back injury, right or what am I I'm listening.

840
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: As a back injury?

841
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: He saw.

842
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: The timeline that I have is that that back injury

843
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 3: in spring training. It was he thought he was close

844
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: to pitching and rehab games, had a setback. He saw

845
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: a doctor, a specialist, like about four months ago in

846
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: late May, he goes to see a specialist. I think

847
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: he got them some sort of not they didn't tell

848
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: us any sort of procedure they got done. But I

849
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: think he got all get the exact verbiage of this, like,

850
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: I think he just got some sort of shot and

851
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: to relieve them.

852
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: We don't know.

853
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: It was so long ago that I even removed it

854
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: from the start throwing. He did start throwing since then,

855
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: but never progressed to the point of throwing off a

856
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: mountain as far as we know, So we never even

857
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: got close to a rehab assignment. He tried to start

858
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: throwing like in August and did not go particularly far

859
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: with that. So those are a couple, but that happens.

860
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: That just happens with its pictures sometimes that's just part

861
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: of the game. Is some guys little things conspiral into

862
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: bigger things. So it's a but that's a big question mark,

863
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: especially with this team because as we've covered throughout the year,

864
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: they've just had so little left handedness on their entire

865
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: pitching staff fall season.

866
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 9: They would be great to have, I don't know, some

867
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 9: kind of southpaw, some kind of guy pitching out of

868
00:43:54,320 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 9: the rotation, maybe having a eighteen nineteen year old shortstop.

869
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: But I A and I know that.

870
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already had him loaded up, and you were

871
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: the one. We did speak to you shortly after that

872
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: trade was done, and your your take on that his

873
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 3: aged beautifully because Lozardo had, by almost any measure, career

874
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 3: year this year. There was some weird inconsistency, but overall

875
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: finishing on an extremely high note. And what he did

876
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: in his last start in this particular series was just

877
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: more of the same that we've seen from him. He

878
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: might get the game too, That's what I was gonna ask. Yeah,

879
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: how does he how does he fit in with the

880
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: fact that once that Zach Wheeler setback came a few

881
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: weeks ago, I think people were wondering, how legit are

882
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: the Phillies that still has a World Series thread. But

883
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: if you have the way that Christopher Sanchez ended his

884
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: season as well, now, Lozardo, that's that's really special. One

885
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: two punch potentially.

886
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 5: Would have been a lot more special with Zach Wheeler

887
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 5: ahead of it. But also just very glad that he's okay.

888
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: He got his decompression procedure done, so, you know, thankfully

889
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: because it was I don't know if Marlins fans have

890
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: been in tune, but Zach Wheeler got thoracic outlet, but

891
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: not the bad kind he got He had a blood

892
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: clot in his shoulder and had to get thoracic outlet

893
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: decompression surgery, which is a totally different procedure, you know,

894
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: basically just trying to free up the flow in the shoulder,

895
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 5: which is crazy and obviously blood clots for anyone that

896
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 5: has had to deal with one before, I haven't, thank god,

897
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 5: but you know, there are those are serious things. They

898
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 5: they are really dangerous. So the fact that it stopped

899
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 5: becoming about his his health as a pitcher and as

900
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 5: an athlete, and more about his health as a human being,

901
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 5: which you know, Thank goodness, he's okay and seems to

902
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 5: be recovery recovering fine. But yeah, I mean, it's pretty

903
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: crazy to say that without the best pitcher, or I

904
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: should say, one of the best pictures in baseball, because

905
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 5: Paul Skeins does exist, but without one of the best

906
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 5: veteran right handers in baseball, the Phillies still have this

907
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 5: three headed monster at the front of the rotation. Granted

908
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 5: they are all left handed, but Chris Sanchez. I in

909
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 5: a lot of people's eyes, Chris Sanchez should win the

910
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: Cy Young this year, even over Paul Skeens. I don't

911
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 5: believe that, but I know a lot of people are

912
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 5: making the argument strictly just because of a lot of

913
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 5: the old guard statistics, and then you know, some inning

914
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 5: things here and there. I mean, Chris Sanchez has gone

915
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 5: seven innings, I believe, as many times as any pitcher

916
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 5: in baseball. I think he's pitchings at the seventh inning

917
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 5: like twenty one starts this year, which is just unbelievable.

918
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 5: He has been ridiculous. I still can't believe that his

919
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 5: ascension has amounted to what it has. It's crazy. It

920
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 5: is just at a modern marvel. But he could very

921
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 5: well get the ball in Game two. I don't know

922
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 5: if anyone's ever looked at his peripherals from this season,

923
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 5: but I mean, in every single metric he grades out

924
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: in the top, like, you know, fifteen percentile of pretty

925
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 5: much everything. That sweeper has just changed everything for him.

926
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 5: He's filthy, He's absolutely gross. And now that they've cleaned

927
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 5: up whatever was going on with him earlier in the season,

928
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 5: out of the stretch, I mean, he he just looks

929
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 5: borderline unhittable most nights. And you'll have that odd game

930
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 5: where you know he'll he'll have a terrible first inning

931
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: and then he'll come out. I mean, he had this

932
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 5: a game against the Oh goodness, I'm blanking on what

933
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 5: team it was against, but he he came out. So

934
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 5: he came out in the first inning, led up four

935
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 5: runs I think it might have been the Cups, led

936
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 5: up four runs against a team, and then proceeded to

937
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 5: pitch into the eighth inning pitched seven perfect This was

938
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 5: like last week, yes, two three weeks ago. Seven perfect

939
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 5: innings I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen

940
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 5: anything like it, and I think it really displays what

941
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 5: kind of guy Jesus is. And you can all attest

942
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 5: to this because you know, you've you've had a lot

943
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 5: more face to face than than most with him. But

944
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 5: he's just he's such a mild mannered and wonderful human.

945
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 5: But on the mound, that guy isn't like you really

946
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 5: see the bulldog come out. It's really really, really cool,

947
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 5: and I the Phillies are just blessed. They are blessed

948
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 5: to have been able to not to throw any shade

949
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 5: towards you know, the Marlins f O. But they really

950
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 5: I think they pulled the wool over a lot of

951
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 5: people's eyes when it came to Starling Kaba. You know,

952
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 5: he's the great again, the greatest minor league defender I've

953
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 5: ever seen. But they have a knack for finding these

954
00:48:52,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 5: guys with really excellent contact ability and so that's crazy

955
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 5: easy work down there in the comments. But they have

956
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 5: this ability to fight, like they did with William Bargoya

957
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 5: Junior as well, you know, with the White Sox in

958
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 5: the trade for Tanner Ranks. William Bargoya Junior, his slugging

959
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: percentage is lower than his on base percentage throughout like

960
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: pretty much the entirety of his White Sox tendure. And

961
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 5: you know, they just have this ability to to find

962
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 5: some of these high contact guys and they put up

963
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 5: good numbers and in the lower levels and they were

964
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 5: able to kind of pawn them off for things of value.

965
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think a lot of people feel like

966
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 5: they really maximized that they sold at the perfect time

967
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 5: on startling Kava, and unfortunately, I think the Marlins are

968
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: getting the short end the stick there. But yeah, the

969
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 5: Zardo kind of has saved with the Phillies here. You know,

970
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 5: they with Zach Wheler going down. If they did not

971
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 5: have him, it would be a you know, a less

972
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 5: than trustworthy Aaron Nola going in game three and he's

973
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, had a really hard time this year. Everything

974
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 5: looks fine velocity wise, just the command is really struggling

975
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: for some reason, So it would be less than trust

976
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: for the Yaron Nola going in game three. And I

977
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 5: don't think that's the position you want to be in

978
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 5: in a five game series. So yeah, no, I I

979
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 5: really thank you to the Marlins. It's probably the one

980
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: negative thing about their their season this year is is

981
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 5: this this trade and honestly honored to be a part

982
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 5: of it. Honored that can be the one stain on

983
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 5: an otherwise pretty and Eric Wagma, that can be the

984
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 5: one the one or two stains on an otherwise really

985
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 5: encouraging season.

986
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, if anyone wants the Mario boyd out there, he

987
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: was actually a league average player through what was it,

988
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 4: by one metric, one hundred and one games played, He

989
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 4: had a one hundred w.

990
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 5: RC plus by one metric. Ya, he's still he's still

991
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 5: a journey in centerfield.

992
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't anything particular.

993
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: Now with my fingers, the amount of extra base hits

994
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: Starling cob out of this year, and he was hurt

995
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: for a long time, actually for a very long time.

996
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: It was like a really it was like a thumb sprain. Yeah,

997
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 4: on his non throwing arm too, which is crazy.

998
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: But he just only missed a couple of months and

999
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: the very end of the season might have been something

1000
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: minor as well. So that's why he's going to the

1001
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: Fall League. So we'll see there. Yeah, we'll see how

1002
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: that goes. I mean, he's he's gonna be one of

1003
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 3: the younger guys there and that is still more less

1004
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: like he has on his side. Is they still only

1005
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: nineteen years old, So I mean.

1006
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 5: That's I'm telling you, he at his worst will be

1007
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 5: you know, Andrelton Simmons light right, Like he's not going

1008
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 5: to hit the same way that Simmons did for those

1009
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: few years, but he is. He is a game changer defensively,

1010
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 5: He's a guy that regardless of how bad the bad is,

1011
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 5: you still want him, you know, playing shortstop at least

1012
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 5: the majority of the day. So it's not like the nothing,

1013
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 5: but you know, it definitely could have could have been better.

1014
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, that'll be that'll be really interesting to watch. Actually,

1015
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 5: I love I love watching him play defense.

1016
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: So before a couple of things, before we get out

1017
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: of here, I should show everybody an updated race at

1018
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: the wild Card picture and where I just want to.

1019
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 5: It's over just a show. Where can I can I

1020
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 5: take this this little lull to pour one out for

1021
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 5: prediction time If post uh post series live shows are

1022
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 5: really the future here, unfortunately that means that my favorite

1023
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 5: ELI blurb, well probably unless you guys are doing prediction

1024
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 5: time for the following series, we still still do it.

1025
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: Now.

1026
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: It's it's complicated when it's letting leading into an off day,

1027
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 3: and there's like absolutely, we're keeping you around to do

1028
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: it for the Mets series, even though you have no

1029
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: horse in that race. So we're doing that.

1030
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: We know who's race.

1031
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 5: As a as a Philadelphia Phillies fan that lives in Queens,

1032
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 5: I have a worse in that race. Don't you worry.

1033
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: Here, here's one look at at where things are at.

1034
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: So the Mets up by a game over the Reds,

1035
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 3: up by two over the d Decks, just three games

1036
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: left for all these teams. Mini storyline. Just a few

1037
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 3: weeks ago, before we thought the Marlins were even going

1038
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: to flirt with this was the fact that they're likely

1039
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 3: to finish ahead of the Braves. They're going to lose

1040
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: the Tyebreaker, the typebreaker against the Braves, and the standings.

1041
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 3: But if Marlins win this final series, then they ensure

1042
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: that would be the first time they finished ahead of

1043
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: the Braves in eleven years or so longer than that.

1044
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: That's athing of celebrate there, guys.

1045
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 5: Come on, it's gotta be longer than that. Finish a

1046
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 5: third place in the NL, I think I think maybe

1047
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 5: I'm just forgetting how bad those early twenty tens raves

1048
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 5: to that's what I mean, those mid twenty tens.

1049
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: Things booked around in twenty eighteen and yeah, but right

1050
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: before then.

1051
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 5: Hayward Trade kind of I guess sparked the new and

1052
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 5: the and the Shelby Military. Yeah, there were movings that.

1053
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 5: Really it was only a little low.

1054
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 3: It was only a few years between early twenty tens

1055
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: teams that were still pretty good and then once the

1056
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: Akunya Snitga era starts in twenty eighteen. In between there

1057
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: was just a couple of down years where Martins were

1058
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: slightly better, and not not that they didn't even have

1059
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: a winning record, it was just like really small margins there.

1060
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 3: Uh well, we're not going to make this part of

1061
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: prediction time.

1062
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 5: But the Ricky in Alaska Marlins I was trying to

1063
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 5: just think up of really, I was trying to dredge

1064
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 5: up a name, and I can get there, rick Alaska

1065
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: Marlins were better.

1066
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: So who do we want to if we assume that

1067
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: you like to see the Mets suffer, I'll go to

1068
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: Kevin first. Who do you want to actually see pull

1069
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 3: out of this? Those top five teams are still actually no.

1070
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: But now the Giants are eliminated and the Cardinals, so

1071
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: it's just a three team race at this point between

1072
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: the Mets, Reds and De Decks. Who do you want

1073
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: to see in October?

1074
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: I'd like to see the Reds just to see Ellie

1075
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 4: de la Cruz in the postseason and Hunter Green, like,

1076
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 4: that's that's a pretty good team and you put them

1077
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 4: up against in a three game series against any team

1078
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 4: and whatever the Waallecourt scenario would end up looking like

1079
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: they've got a shot. Like their offense is a little

1080
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 4: sketchy at times, but like just Ellie in the playoffs

1081
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: would be really cool. Terry Frank going to to see

1082
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 4: him back into the playoffs in his first year back

1083
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 4: managing it would be pretty awesome too. So I'll go

1084
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 4: with the Reds. I just think, you know, a team

1085
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 4: like the Diamondbacks really wouldn't have a shot there, and

1086
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 4: the same thing goes with the Mets, to be honest

1087
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: with you, For.

1088
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 5: Me, the Diamondbacks will always, I think always in forever

1089
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 5: terrify me. Oh yeah, Perfly, just because of reasons. And

1090
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 5: then the Mets, I don't know what is going on

1091
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 5: the field, but I don't think I ever want to

1092
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 5: set foot to watch a Phillies game at City Field ever. Again,

1093
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 5: I mean, there's just you want to talk about voodoo magic,

1094
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 5: something's going on over there. So definitely, definitely not the Mets.

1095
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 5: I'm all for the Reds. I think the coolest part

1096
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 5: about having the Reds in the postseason would be any

1097
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 5: kind of postseason series that includes Great American Ballpark. That

1098
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 5: place is just built to play a postseason game. It's

1099
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 5: gonna have so much drama. All those balls are gonna

1100
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: be flying out, Everything is gonna be crazy, and it's

1101
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 5: that That's the kind of baseball environment I like to see.

1102
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 5: So I think absolutely the Reds. I don't think they

1103
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 5: have the greatest shot. I think, like you mentioned Kevin Hunter,

1104
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 5: Green and Ellie in the postseason, it's just always you

1105
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 5: want to see that. But outside of that, the team

1106
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 5: is really I don't know, oka at best, but they

1107
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 5: do have this like very they They've got a couple

1108
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 5: of those guys that just kind of scream that they

1109
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 5: would be postseason heroes. You know, it used to be

1110
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 5: Jake Fraley has always felt I know he's on the

1111
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 5: braids now, but Jake Frailey has always felt like that

1112
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 5: kind of guy and it feels like they are a

1113
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 5: team entirely comprised of Jake Fraley's which is so like

1114
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 5: interesting to me. So I would love to see the Reds,

1115
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 5: mostly because I feel like they are the least threatening,

1116
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 5: but also because that ballpark would be so much fun

1117
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 5: to see a postseason series.

1118
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 4: The team that makes it would face the Phillies, right

1119
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: or the Brewers. Uh, the Phillies.

1120
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: Well, the team that so Phillies have a first round

1121
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 5: by the Dodgers.

1122
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 4: It would be the worst Division winner.

1123
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, crazy to say that it is. It is the Dodgers,

1124
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: But then the winner of that game, no, winner of

1125
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 5: that game would then go on to face I guess, yeah, I.

1126
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 4: Guess so, I mean right of a really nice pitching staff,

1127
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 4: Green Lodolo Lattel. I don't know how he's been since

1128
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: he's gone there, Andrew and It was a top top

1129
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: prospect once once some time. And Brady Singer, who seems

1130
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 4: to have been pretty good over there. He's been fine

1131
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 4: with me on fantasy. So so that.

1132
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: Is gonna be It's gonna be unpopular, but I still

1133
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: want to see the Mets in the I want to

1134
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: see them face the Dodgers, and I want one of

1135
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 3: those teams to go out in really disappointing fashion against

1136
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 3: each other, playing heads head, the Dodgers being still the world.

1137
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 5: There it is two very high payroll teams that have

1138
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 5: really ducked under expectation.

1139
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: But like, wouldn't it be better, Well, it wouldn't be

1140
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 4: better for them, but like, it would be pretty funny

1141
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: to not see the Mets, who you know, literally got

1142
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 4: Juan Soto, not even make the playoffs. I would love

1143
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 4: to see the Dodgers just and like, it would be

1144
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 4: cool to see, you know, a team like the too

1145
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 4: kind of you know, built it within or whatever you

1146
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: want to call it, make these moves. They made moves,

1147
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: they made free agent signings, you know, make it. Same

1148
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 4: thing goes with the Diamondbacks, to be fair. I mean,

1149
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: although they sold out the deadline, which sucks for them, but.

1150
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: There are a couple of massive holes in their roster.

1151
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 4: Where a lot of yeah, they make the playoffs would.

1152
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 5: Be in said right, I would personally, I would like

1153
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 5: to see the Dodgers, no matter who makes it in

1154
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: I would like to see the Dodgers take that out.

1155
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 5: That would be That'd be pretty awesome. That'd be quite nice.

1156
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: I would like that. Mm hmmm. Alrighty, So one more

1157
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 3: series coming up for the Marrons to play during this

1158
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: regular season. Let's get it right to it. Final prediction

1159
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: time of the regular season. This is prodiction time.

1160
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna win a lot of games, a

1161
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 4: lot more games than you think we're gonna win this year.

1162
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 5: Hey hey, yeah, hey, he was cooking. He Bruce was cooking.

1163
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: Fifteen wins ahead of last year's team that Marlins have

1164
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: was still opportunity to add to that total here during

1165
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: the final stage of the season, final three games against

1166
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 3: this Mets scene that is playing for plenty. This is

1167
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: they need to win these games, but all their playoff

1168
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 3: fat is now within their control coming down the stretch.

1169
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: A quick look at the predictions from this past series.

1170
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: We put Hector and Rings on top because they are

1171
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: co leaders and both of them the Marlins are going

1172
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: to win this series. They missed out. They did not

1173
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: pick up any points. I reluctantly had the Phillies winning

1174
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: this series. I had a feeling that this was going

1175
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: to be the end of the road for this wild

1176
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: car chase, and it was. We appreciate everybody all season

1177
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 3: long for making predictions with us. Our staffers are super subs,

1178
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 3: and our last YEOM guests like Alex right here. So

1179
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: this is the leaderboard as we head into this final series.

1180
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be between Hector and Rings, which is

1181
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: Alex Chow tied that sixty four points at piece. Predict

1182
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 3: how many games the Marlins are going to win in

1183
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 3: the series. Who will be the series m v P

1184
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: as the term by win probability added. It could be

1185
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: a player from either team, a hitter or a pitcher.

1186
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: Down here, I'll get the music going. We'll lead off

1187
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: with Kevin. This final series. I need to actually think

1188
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: for myself who I would take.

1189
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 5: Usually I have what does the winner get?

1190
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: I don't think of something. Maybe some merch, some fish

1191
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: on first merch I would be pretty good.

1192
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 5: That'd be really cool.

1193
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: Nothing nothing too fancy there, fish on first prize pack.

1194
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. So yeah, three games series.

1195
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 4: Come on and play the music. We have a recap,

1196
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 4: not twenty fifth, just like the Marlins did not think

1197
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 4: they'd be in this position going into today. But I'm

1198
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 4: gonna go with the Marlins sweeping the that's sweeping them

1199
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: out of the playoffs, and just because I want to

1200
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 4: have some fun with this prediction time. I'm gonna go

1201
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: with everyone's favorite, Eric Wagman.

1202
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 10: Is a series MVP, Alex Carr, your predictions, I am

1203
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 10: going to predict the same thing as Kevin.

1204
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: I want a Marlins sweep. I think I think the

1205
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 5: Marlins have a little bit of voodoo magic left in

1206
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 5: and I think they want to play. They want to play,

1207
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 5: you know, Parade Rainer a little bit. So I will

1208
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 5: say the Marlins sweep the Mets. I will manifest it.

1209
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 5: I don't know, Let's get some let's get some redemption

1210
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 5: for my boy, Troy Johnston. Let's let that guy eat

1211
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 5: for some for some series MVP in reality, I don't know.

1212
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 4: Maybe pick Alex Carver is smiling right now watching that.

1213
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 5: No, maybe gri Maybe Griffin Conin. I think Griffin Conine

1214
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 5: back off the injured list. He I mean, looked great

1215
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 5: for a little bit there until we got hurt. So

1216
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 5: let's let's I'll say Griffin Conin because I don't even

1217
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 5: know if Troy's gonna start every again, So let's go Griff.

1218
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 4: Carver's still smiling.

1219
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.

1220
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go conservative with this one. Marlin's only winning

1221
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 3: two out of three, but taking the series. Nonetheless, it

1222
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 3: is a then all over again. The Marlins are going

1223
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 3: to do enough to spoil the Mets from making the postseason.

1224
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind seeing the Mets in the postseason, but

1225
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna bumble it away at this very end.

1226
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,479
Speaker 3: And riding with Kevin MVP Eric Wagman. We have given

1227
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 3: him smid for so much of the season, no offense,

1228
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: not on a personal level, just from a baseball roster

1229
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 3: building aspects, and he has stuck around this entire year,

1230
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 3: one of only a few guys on this entire team

1231
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: that has made it from wire to wire on the

1232
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: active roster. Mets are gonna start at least one lefty

1233
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 3: in the series, if not two. So Wagman is gonna

1234
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: be in the lineup, and I'll probably come off the

1235
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 3: bench even on the game where they face alrighty, righty starter,

1236
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 3: at some point he'll come in late and come up

1237
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 3: with a clutch hit. I think Eric Wagman finishes his

1238
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: turbulent rookie season on a high note. Marlins gets to

1239
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: seventy nine wins by this franchise and standards, that is

1240
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: one of the better seasons in recent memory. Marlins have

1241
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: a lot to be proud of here, and this will

1242
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: be a whole lot of fun regardless. So I'll hope

1243
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: you guys make it out to Lone's E Boat Park

1244
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: to see this wrap up this weekend.

1245
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 4: They're expecting big crowds. Farently.

1246
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 5: What's the what's the projected rotation? Is it, Sandy?

1247
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: It is in this particular order? Sandy?

1248
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Edward Cabrera, come on, yeah, come on, game over

1249
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 5: for the Mets. Come on, let's go. And the Mets

1250
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 5: are starting, I'm assuming it's gonna be right here.

1251
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 4: Brent Sproute, Sean and Iah, David Peterson.

1252
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see. It's Peters and starts. Peterson's been so

1253
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: bad for.

1254
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 4: I think I saw something that he's getting, someone's getting

1255
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 4: one of the guys getting t J.

1256
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 5: That sounds.

1257
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 4: That sounds like sweet, we know what we're doing all

1258
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 4: of this.

1259
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 5: I didn't even know that those are the protective rotations.

1260
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: I'm just just taking manifesting off, the taking off the vibes,

1261
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 3: the vibes in the one direction. Despite this lost tonight,

1262
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 3: despite having nothing left to play for, they have something

1263
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 3: left to play for.

1264
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 5: I would argue they have spoiler to play for. I

1265
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 5: think that they're gonna want to. It would be pretty

1266
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 5: cool to be the Marlins and to be you know,

1267
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 5: to have the Phillies be the only team that makes

1268
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 5: it out of your division like that probably kind of

1269
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 5: puts you on a on a similar playing field.

1270
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least morally, we can finish on that note.

1271
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: It is just it's mind boggling that potentially there'd be

1272
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 3: only one team coming out of this division when and

1273
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: that is crazy.

1274
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 4: Too to be the best division in baseball at one

1275
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 4: point or most competitive at least. So the fact that

1276
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 4: the Phillies can be the only one is it says

1277
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 4: a lot. But I do think it's like you're also

1278
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 4: looking at the Braves were really hampered by injuries, the

1279
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 4: Nationals massively disappointed in my opinion.

1280
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 5: How many years are we going to keep saying that

1281
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 5: Braves are hampered by injuries.

1282
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 4: Because it's the truth though, right, I mean, I mean, Strider,

1283
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 4: as much as I'm not a big fan of him, Akunya.

1284
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 5: You know, like they got him back. I mean they

1285
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 5: they did, you know, they got it up when it

1286
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 5: was too late your back, they got well it kind

1287
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 5: of but I mean I guess, yeah, I mean I

1288
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 5: don't know. I think the big thing to take away

1289
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 5: there is Braves definitely don't look as uh lead a

1290
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 5: team as they once did, and all of those guys

1291
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 5: are locked up for most of them, you know, two

1292
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 5: digit deals in terms of years.

1293
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 4: So Strake Baldons winning Rookie of the Year probably, I

1294
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 4: hope if he does.

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Speaker 3: I'd be one prediction I actually got right for the preseason.

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Speaker 3: But I think Kate Horton is gonna win.

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Speaker 5: I think Kate Horton should, I hope, Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: I hope. I don't want the Braves getting an extra pick.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's true.

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Speaker 5: They got to make me very okay, very sad. Kate Horton,

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Speaker 5: Go Kate Horton.

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Speaker 3: We'll wrap it up right here. Els Thus went Kevin Burrell,

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Speaker 3: isaacazood On with us earlier, and our Phillies corresponds in

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Speaker 3: Alex Carr as well. Good luck to you guys in

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Speaker 3: the postseason, a team that is really well set up

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Speaker 3: to go far.

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Speaker 5: And congratulations to the Marlin Zone. Everybody. Anybody out there

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Speaker 5: that is disappointed into night's results should just take the

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Speaker 5: day more in it a little bit, right, but then

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Speaker 5: look forward to what twenty twenty six is going to offer.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this team looks just as as competitive as

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Speaker 5: you know some of the other or maybe it's a

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Speaker 5: few steps away, but was able to keep pace with

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Speaker 5: two really really really good teams in the Mets and

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Speaker 5: the Brace this season. And that's that luck or not,

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Speaker 5: that's a lot to be proud of. So build off

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Speaker 5: of that. Super exciting.

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Speaker 3: Thanks everybody for staying up late with us as well.

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Speaker 3: One of our latest streams of this entire season, because

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Speaker 3: the Phillies still do not have a roof on the ballpark.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they get that's a joke that the Marlins like

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Speaker 3: to make, trying to shame every team for not having

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Speaker 3: retractable roof and all that stuff. A nice comment for

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Speaker 3: Kevin on our way out for some of that will

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Speaker 3: also follows Kevin's coverage of Florida International University. That will

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Speaker 3: keep us busy, keep him busy. It's not gonna keep

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Speaker 3: me busy. It's gonna keep Vin busy though, hitting into

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Speaker 3: the fall. So we'll wrap it up right here. Another

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Speaker 3: stream right after the series finale on Sunday, so we'll

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Speaker 3: and of course we'll have some stream throughout the off season.

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Speaker 3: We'll give you the specifics once that turns over, but

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