WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Spin Kick!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of

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<v Speaker 1>My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your

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<v Speaker 1>Mind Listener Mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe McCormick, and today we're bringing you a mail bag

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<v Speaker 1>that is mostly about our two part episode about humans

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<v Speaker 1>spinning around in circles. That's right, Spin Kicks, Spin Kicks.

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<v Speaker 1>A surprising number of people had had really intense thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>and feelings about spinning. Yeah, yeah, I was really pleased

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<v Speaker 1>with the crop we were able to bring in off

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<v Speaker 1>this one, and Carney the mail bod has been pleased

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Carney has been spinning NonStop since these came in,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, and I've been quite mesmerized by the undulations

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<v Speaker 1>of his skirt made out of wires and drive chains.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, he's spinning spinning our way here. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll go ahead and read this first listener

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<v Speaker 1>mail that he has for us. This comes to us

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<v Speaker 1>from Hannah, Hi, Robert, and Joe. I was so honor

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<v Speaker 1>that my previous email helped partially inspire such an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>pair of episodes, like a Circle in the Spiral Parts

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<v Speaker 1>one and two. It made my day so much brighter.

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<v Speaker 1>From the minute the episode started, I was waiting eagerly

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<v Speaker 1>for you to mention spotting. In my personal experience, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a huge difference in preventing dizziness while turning, lessening

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<v Speaker 1>the recovery needed for a long sequence of turns to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a few seconds at worst. However, maybe even more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps to maintain balance in pirouettes and other one

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<v Speaker 1>legged turns. Often the most challenging part of a long

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<v Speaker 1>turn sequence is trying to stay on balance to not

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<v Speaker 1>fall out of the movement. Focusing on a single point

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<v Speaker 1>not only keeps you from getting as busy from the spinning,

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<v Speaker 1>but but it's also a trick that can be used

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<v Speaker 1>in stationary balances to help stabilize. Um. You know this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is something that is a great point because

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<v Speaker 1>it does come up in in yoga, for instance, So

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<v Speaker 1>when you're doing balancing poses, it's often been pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>to me by yoga teachers that you know, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on a point to help maintain your balance,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I was I did that for years, but

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<v Speaker 1>then another teacher was like, don't just focus on a

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<v Speaker 1>point while you're doing a uh, you know, a standing

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<v Speaker 1>balancing post. Focus on a vertical line, and I found

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<v Speaker 1>that that seemed to work. I I don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no empirical studies here on my part, but

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<v Speaker 1>that seemed to work even better than focusing on a point.

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<v Speaker 1>If I could find like a line in some tiles,

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<v Speaker 1>or a line on a door seal, something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps me maintain my my balance a lot better,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, assuming my balance isn't out of whack due

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<v Speaker 1>to lack of sleep or something. I wonder if that

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<v Speaker 1>has anything to do with the one of the rationales

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<v Speaker 1>for dizziness that we talked about in the first part,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the nastagma's issue, dizziness caused by the rapid

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<v Speaker 1>adjustment back and forth of the eyes. Like maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>vertical line helps keep that forestalled better than a point would. Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so Hannah continues, uh quote. I also had some thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>about children spinning and spotting. In my experience teaching dance

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<v Speaker 1>to children, I found that one of the techniques that

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<v Speaker 1>it takes the longest for young dancers to grasp is

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<v Speaker 1>learning to spot. For my youngest students, I would often

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<v Speaker 1>take something big and bright on the wall to give

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<v Speaker 1>them an easier place to focus, but mostly it's reminding

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<v Speaker 1>and encouraging them to slow down and focus on one

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<v Speaker 1>part at a time. I mostly chalk up this challenge

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<v Speaker 1>to a combination of still developing motor skills and coordination,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it also has quite a bit to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the fact that spinning really fast and getting

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<v Speaker 1>really dizzy is fun, at least for children. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to end on two quick things. One is a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of folk tip for recovering from spinning related dizziness.

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<v Speaker 1>Make your hands into a blade shape and lay your

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<v Speaker 1>thumb along your nose in between your eyebrows, so your

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<v Speaker 1>hand becomes a barrier between your eyes. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly why it helps, but my guess is that it

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<v Speaker 1>maybe helps your eyes recover from the no stagmus. I

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<v Speaker 1>learned this way back when I was a young dancer

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<v Speaker 1>just learning to spot. Last, but not least, here's just

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<v Speaker 1>a YouTube video with a lot of well executed turns.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a video from Pacific Northwest Ballet of a rehearsal

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<v Speaker 1>for Swan Lake. As you may know from the movie

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<v Speaker 1>Black Swan, Swan Lake has an infamous thirty two foete

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<v Speaker 1>turn sequences, which is incredibly difficult even for the most

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<v Speaker 1>talented ballerinas. That that he also has a bonus of

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<v Speaker 1>some wicked fast p K and Shinna turns near the end,

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<v Speaker 1>and they include a link for us. But I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>people can maybe just do a search for Pacific Northwest

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<v Speaker 1>Ballet Swan Lake and you can get all the spinning

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<v Speaker 1>you could possibly want. I watched, I watched the video.

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<v Speaker 1>It is incredibly impressive, as with all the spinning stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we've been watching. I'm yeah, I couldn't do that. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea how people do. Hannah closes out by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for an awesome show. Always look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to its showing up in my feet. Well that's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for getting in touch, Hannah. Okay, so this next

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<v Speaker 1>message comes from Cassidy. Are you ready? I'm ready, Cassidy says, Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never really had a reason to write into you

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<v Speaker 1>until now. I just listen to the first part of

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<v Speaker 1>the like a Circle in a Spiral episode and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to share my experience. I work in a research lab

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<v Speaker 1>studying suspected hearing genes using zebra fish as a model organism.

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<v Speaker 1>This also includes genes affecting the vestibular system. Zebra Fish

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<v Speaker 1>inner ears are actually very similar to human inner ears.

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<v Speaker 1>They also have the utricle and the saccule, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>had to dissect these. We made a crisper mutant that

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<v Speaker 1>has progressive vestibular phenotype as juvenile slash adults. Because of

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<v Speaker 1>the mutations, they can't get their bearings in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're constantly spinning. The vestibular slash hearing system and

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<v Speaker 1>fish is very important as it allows them to orient

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in the water and since vibrations or movements in

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<v Speaker 1>the water around them. If you'd like a video of

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<v Speaker 1>the vestibular phenotype and fish, I would be happy to

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<v Speaker 1>share it with you. I love your podcast. I frequent

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<v Speaker 1>listen while I'm working in the lab. It made me

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<v Speaker 1>so excited to hear something relevant to my work from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge thanks, Cassidy. Wow, that's really interesting. Yeah, Cassidy, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Please send us more about your research. I'd I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to know more about it, all right. This next one

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<v Speaker 1>comes to us from Jonathan Quote. As a person who

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<v Speaker 1>has studied the Sufis and their methodology for forty years,

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<v Speaker 1>I was impressed, as usual by your objective and open

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<v Speaker 1>minded take on the whirling dervishes. I think it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to understand, though, that the jalah udin Rumi, the punative

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<v Speaker 1>founder of the order, wrote that the practice of spinning

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<v Speaker 1>was something he prescribed especially for the people of Connie A, Turkey,

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<v Speaker 1>where he taught for that particular time in history. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not a perennial or integral part of Sufi methods of development. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe is spot on when he discussed the visual effect

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<v Speaker 1>of the spinning robes, since the Sufis assert that the

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<v Speaker 1>practice of whirling was as much, if not more, for

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<v Speaker 1>effect it had on the spectators. In thirteenth century Turkey,

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<v Speaker 1>there were limited methods of provoking alterations and people's consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>and viewing and concentrating on the whirling under the right

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances was one that was used. Throughout the centuries, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sufis have continually utilized the methods and terminology of their

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary environment to project their teachings. I'm confident that they

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<v Speaker 1>would easily adapt to the terminology that you too often

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<v Speaker 1>use and say that in one sense, the Sufis aim

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<v Speaker 1>to establish a voluntary, manual override over the default mode network.

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<v Speaker 1>That ability provides a person with an additional dimension of freedom, volition,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding in a much wider sense. A good source

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone interested in the subject is the book The

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<v Speaker 1>Mind Field by the prominent psychologist Robert Ornstein. I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's a cliche, but keep up the great work, Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>and cliche are not. Yeah, we we love to hear uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We would love to get that positive reinforcement from from

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<v Speaker 1>you guys that the listeners. Um, I'd say some of

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<v Speaker 1>the main place we get positive reinforcement regarding the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So so keep it going. It keeps us energized, you know. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But along the same lines, you know, at anytime there's

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<v Speaker 1>any criticism or correction, we also depend on that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally alright, Joe, are you ready for some spin kicks

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<v Speaker 1>because I think Carney's coming in with intention now. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we got several messages about spin kicks, So this first

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<v Speaker 1>one comes from g G says, Hello, guys, I was

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<v Speaker 1>pleasantly surprised and excited when you guys touched on fighting

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<v Speaker 1>in your Like a Circle episode. Finally something I can

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<v Speaker 1>contribute to. I compete in M M A and my

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<v Speaker 1>one knockout just from a spinning sidekick, and he attaches

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<v Speaker 1>an Instagram link. I went and looked up the video

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, it it is pretty brutal. G knocked somebody

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<v Speaker 1>out by a move that includes spinning around once and then.

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<v Speaker 1>A sidekick is a a pushing motion with the leg

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to like a swinging motion, if that makes

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<v Speaker 1>any sense. It's like a thrust, a thrust of the

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<v Speaker 1>foot as opposed to like a you know, a glancing

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<v Speaker 1>blow or you know, swipe of the foot. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>she is responding in part two when we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>a kick by a fighter named Joaquin Buckley that is

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<v Speaker 1>a spin kick that was just absolutely brutal, like made

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<v Speaker 1>the head snap back and uh. He says that his

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<v Speaker 1>kick is not as cool as Buckley's, but still worth

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<v Speaker 1>a watch. Well, I have to say that Ji's kick

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<v Speaker 1>was still very impressive, and Buckley's kick, though certainly very impressive,

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<v Speaker 1>also had really nice um like video and audio effects

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<v Speaker 1>and also some version of a live crowd or at

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<v Speaker 1>least live crowd noise, so it was very accentuated by

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<v Speaker 1>the production values, I'd say, while also being still being

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<v Speaker 1>a just a ferocious kick. Yeah, okay. She goes on

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<v Speaker 1>reasons for spinning in combat because we were asking this

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode right, I was talking about how when

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<v Speaker 1>I was learning quote taekwondo whatever it is that they

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<v Speaker 1>were teaching me as a child in Tennessee and calling

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<v Speaker 1>taekwondo um, I remember thinking like with the spin kicks,

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<v Speaker 1>like a spinning sidekick, I was like, would this ever

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<v Speaker 1>actually be useful or is this just more like for

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<v Speaker 1>stylistic effect, is this more of a dance move? And

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't really know if there was a good answer

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<v Speaker 1>to that, but but she absolutely has some thoughts here.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, she says power space is needed

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<v Speaker 1>to generate power, and spinning helps to create artificial distance.

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<v Speaker 1>Spinning can help generate additional rotational power the same way

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<v Speaker 1>a shot put or would throw a shot uh second

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<v Speaker 1>speed and efficiency. A few spin kicks are actually misnomers.

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<v Speaker 1>They're technically turning kicks, such as the buckley ko. Certain

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<v Speaker 1>techniques like the sidekick think Bruce Lee's kick are easier

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<v Speaker 1>to throw from a spin or turn. Imagine you're standing

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<v Speaker 1>in a bladed slash split stance meaning left leg in

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<v Speaker 1>front torso turned slightly to the right, and want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw a sidekick with your rear meaning right leg facing

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<v Speaker 1>your opponent, you would need to bring your right leg

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<v Speaker 1>in front and to the left, chambering your leg before

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<v Speaker 1>extending it to kick. A better option would be to

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<v Speaker 1>turn to your right, temporarily exposing your back, but the

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<v Speaker 1>chamber and extension of your leg is faster and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have additional momentum from the turn or spin. These are

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<v Speaker 1>the more general, easier to explain reasons you would spin

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<v Speaker 1>in combat, but there are many others, such as ring slash,

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<v Speaker 1>cage general ship. I don't know what that means, psychology, angles,

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<v Speaker 1>and impressing judges. Uh so, so that one last one

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<v Speaker 1>maybe does sound like it's like the stylistic dance move

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<v Speaker 1>thing too, which shouldn't be totally discounted from M M A.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose I think ring cage general ship. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that refers to like being at what they called like

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<v Speaker 1>a ring general or a cage general like, which I

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<v Speaker 1>believe just means like just being totally in command and

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<v Speaker 1>having an air of of command over your space. Could

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong on that, but I think that's what they

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<v Speaker 1>mean the spinning cage boss. Spinning attacks can be higher risk,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you're in a fight, everything you do could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially be a bad idea. If you are aware of

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<v Speaker 1>how your opponent can counter your attacks, you can pick

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate moments to execute your techniques or even take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of probable counters. Thanks for all your great work, Looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to the next episode. G very cool. I I

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<v Speaker 1>suspected we had some some folks out there listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the show that had thrown some spin kicks, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least had washed enough spin kicks uh to to to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to it. So I was very impressed with this.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's another short one. This is from Charlie. Charlie says, recently,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys wondered if there were wrestlers turned dancers. Look

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<v Speaker 1>into Lady Beard. He was an Australian wrestler I think

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<v Speaker 1>Australian turned Japanese pop star. He definitely dances a lot now.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a more recent project than Lady Beard, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the name. Hope you guys have fun

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<v Speaker 1>with this, l O L. Charlie Well, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>look up Lady Beard, but it looks like they they

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<v Speaker 1>they do or or have wrestled for D D D

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Wrestling. That's what a Dramatic Dream Team, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a Japanese pro wrestling promotion that goes so basically, let

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<v Speaker 1>me just back up and say that with Japanese pro

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling you kind of have different extremes. On one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>there's stuff that's very technical and serious and athletic um minded,

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<v Speaker 1>and some stuff in the past has even been very

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, semi shoot or shoot oriented, where it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to resemble authentic fighting as real as possible, and

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<v Speaker 1>you still see that like kind of energy there. D

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<v Speaker 1>DT goes in the entirely different direction and has this

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<v Speaker 1>very just ridiculous um at times have a very very

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<v Speaker 1>great matches nothing you know, not nothing bad about the

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<v Speaker 1>performers or anything. But they also have some just really

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<v Speaker 1>silly stuff like inanimate objects winning championships, um. Even to

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<v Speaker 1>where at one point an inanimate champions ship one itself,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe. So there's a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>crazy stuff going on there, perfectly the right promotion for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody with a name like Lady Beard. All right, here's

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<v Speaker 1>another one. This one comes to us from Brett. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>Rob and Joe. I hope this note finds you both

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<v Speaker 1>doing well and staying healthy. Just a personal comment on

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<v Speaker 1>spinning Rob might be able to relate as a spell

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<v Speaker 1>of vertico occurred while I was practicing yoga a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Everything goes going well until the instructor had

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<v Speaker 1>us go into a humble warrior position with eyes open.

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<v Speaker 1>I chose a spot on the ground and started to

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<v Speaker 1>move down towards it. But when I wanted to stop,

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<v Speaker 1>my head felt felt like I was still in motion.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus I tipped over, not sure what I was what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on, I decided to research what could be

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<v Speaker 1>a possible cause for this lack of balance. I determined

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<v Speaker 1>it was a case of b P p V, a

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<v Speaker 1>type of benign vertico where the calcium carbonate had moved

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<v Speaker 1>in the inner ear on the left side. There was

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<v Speaker 1>suggest tis that I had found and tried at home,

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<v Speaker 1>and the vertico type experience stopped. This experience taught me

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<v Speaker 1>how much we rely on small crystals to help determine

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<v Speaker 1>our position in space without and without them, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure where we would be symptom free for years now.

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<v Speaker 1>It is amazing the things we can learn about our

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<v Speaker 1>body and how so many impulses can control our everyday

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<v Speaker 1>well being. Also, I am not advocating that everyone's self diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for what you do and now with

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<v Speaker 1>more content. Yeah, lots of content now. Happy holidays and

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to hearing more from the both of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers Brett in Colorado. Thanks Brett. Do you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about this kind of experience, rob Um? I well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean aside from I mean you anytime you practice yoga

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<v Speaker 1>and you're doing any any anything really on your feet,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's always a chance to check in

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<v Speaker 1>with your body, seeing how you're you're doing in multiple ways.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like you know, how how limber you're feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>how you're hustles are feeling, and also how your balance

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<v Speaker 1>is feeling um and so you you do get that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of regular check in vibe where you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>today my balance is definitely a little off because I

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<v Speaker 1>can't go as far into this pose as I normally can,

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<v Speaker 1>or I can't hold it as well. So I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's certainly very helpful. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a little check up, a little bit of self

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis that you can do every time you hit the

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<v Speaker 1>yoga mat. You know, you're you're seeing where am I today,

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<v Speaker 1>what is my body feeling like? What am I doing? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>As opposed to you know, benign vertigo and all. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't experienced any of that, but I think I have

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<v Speaker 1>in the past had some teachers speak to it, like

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<v Speaker 1>tell people you know what's to look out for, that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. Okay, you ready for this message from Lee?

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<v Speaker 1>Bring it on, more spending, more spin kicking here, Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Lee says, Hi, guys, love the podcast. I was thing

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<v Speaker 1>to you discuss spinning in martial arts and wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>offer my own experience on the matter. I've practiced Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>Kenpo karate for fifteen years. It's primarily directed at self defense.

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<v Speaker 1>The consensus among people I trained with is no spinning

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<v Speaker 1>in a self defense scenario, as you never want your

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<v Speaker 1>back turned to your opponent. The biggest risk is a

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<v Speaker 1>strike to the back of the head, the second being

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<v Speaker 1>someone getting your back putting them in a strongly advantageous position.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that means grabbing you from behind

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm not quite sure that that's what it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like to me, because I mean, basically, yeah, there are

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of grapples you could do from behind that

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<v Speaker 1>would give you an advantage I imagine, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this makes me think about comparing the feedback

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<v Speaker 1>we got from g versus what Lee is saying here.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me wonder if a major difference in whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not it makes sense to do spin kicks is

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<v Speaker 1>the question of are their rules in this fight? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, Whereas in in a there's plenty of room

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<v Speaker 1>for you, even brutal injury, but there are rules in place.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a referee if you're using it for self defense. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just out in the world there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>referee usually. But anyway, back to Lee's message. While training,

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<v Speaker 1>we do practice spinning kicks and back fists. This is

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<v Speaker 1>primarily to build coordination and balance, but we also do

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's fun. We also spar in a kickboxing style.

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<v Speaker 1>There the consensus is that there are limited situations where

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<v Speaker 1>you might break out a spinning move. Sparring is about

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<v Speaker 1>trying to work out your opponent's patterns and not getting

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in any of your own. The time to break

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<v Speaker 1>out a spinning kick or backfist is when you think

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<v Speaker 1>you've lolled your opponent into thinking they see a pattern

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<v Speaker 1>in your movements, and it can be a deceptive way

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<v Speaker 1>to break the pattern. We also use roundhouse kicks quite heavily.

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<v Speaker 1>In the event that you miss a roundhouse kick that

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<v Speaker 1>you have thrown at full speed and power, it is

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<v Speaker 1>faster and easier for your body to continue their rotation

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<v Speaker 1>and spin through the kick, resetting to your stance after

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<v Speaker 1>turning fully around. Keep the great episodes coming, Lee, That's

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<v Speaker 1>great once again. Great to hear from someone who has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of experience with what we're talking about and

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<v Speaker 1>can can speak to the the strategy of deploying a

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<v Speaker 1>spin chick spin kick and why you might want to

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<v Speaker 1>think twice about it and given the given certain scenarios.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally thanks Lee. Al Right, here's another one. This one

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<v Speaker 1>comes to us from Ryan. Dear Robert and Joe. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, I love the show. I used to listen

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<v Speaker 1>very regularly a few years ago, but had to stop

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<v Speaker 1>after being consumed by grad school. Since I graduated and

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<v Speaker 1>because of the pandemic, I have had to practice the

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<v Speaker 1>chance to pick up on the show again. In your

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<v Speaker 1>recent second episode on spinning in Circles. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>the movie Joe was thinking of is Interstellar, where Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>McConaughey is landing in a spaceship on a high gravity

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<v Speaker 1>planet near a black hole. Where they had to quote

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<v Speaker 1>come in hot to minimize the amount of gravity dilated

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<v Speaker 1>time they spent there. He asked their friendly rectangular robot

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<v Speaker 1>to assume control if when he blacks out from the

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<v Speaker 1>G forces. I have to note that describing that scene

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<v Speaker 1>out of context makes it sound truly ridiculous. That film

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<v Speaker 1>might have been a bit of a mess when looking

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<v Speaker 1>at all of its scientific and fantastic elements, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly a beautiful mess. I think this is picking

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<v Speaker 1>up on There was a moment towards the very end

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<v Speaker 1>of that episode where I was trying to remember what

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<v Speaker 1>movie it was, where there's a scene where a pilot

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<v Speaker 1>uh knows that they are going to blackout from G forces,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're they're calculating in like their time to recover

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<v Speaker 1>before crashing. Yeah. I do have to mention I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when I was talking one of the times we got

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<v Speaker 1>to interview Brian Green, the physicist UH, he did mention

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<v Speaker 1>Interstellar as being a film in which he liked the

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<v Speaker 1>black holes. He liked the movie's treatment of black holes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they Yeah, they went to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>links to get many things about the science right and

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<v Speaker 1>and stay stay pretty hard science plaus bowl with a

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<v Speaker 1>few exceptions. Yeah, all right, Ryan continues. This leads me

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<v Speaker 1>to a suggestion for an episode topic g forces in

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<v Speaker 1>space travel. You could explore the real life examples of

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<v Speaker 1>how humans have grappled with the crushing effects of G

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<v Speaker 1>forces on the human body, as well as sci fi

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<v Speaker 1>and fantasy treatments. It might be fun for you to

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss fictional works that have tackled G forces in

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<v Speaker 1>space travel to some extent, like the Expanse and some

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<v Speaker 1>other fiction that doesn't bother with it at all. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>any fiction with hyper drive or ridiculous acceleration deceleration Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley Robinson's novel twelve comes to mind, where careful budgeting

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<v Speaker 1>of G forces comes into play with railgun like launch

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<v Speaker 1>pads and the gradual slowing before they reach their destinations

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<v Speaker 1>while traveling the Solar System. I'm certainly no expert on

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<v Speaker 1>the subject matter, just a big old nerd when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to stuff like that, so I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear your patented fun education will take on that. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for all of the great content you offer, including the

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<v Speaker 1>inaugural short form artifact episode on the fake tooth best Ryan, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we did a couple episodes a while back,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't we Joe Um on artificial gravity and space and

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of using of generating gravity through spinning but

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<v Speaker 1>also through just acceleration. Yeah, yeah, we talked about that,

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<v Speaker 1>uh we. I mean that was mostly about the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to create artificial gravity in occupied habitats in

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<v Speaker 1>space and not about like the extremes of G forces.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we could absolutely come back and explore

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<v Speaker 1>the extremes of G forces. That might be really interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>like some of the physiological differences. Like I remember reading UM,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an interesting question about what causes some of the

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<v Speaker 1>direct experience that people have during different types of G force,

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<v Speaker 1>like the the red out phenomenon. What actually makes the

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<v Speaker 1>vision go red when you're reading out that? Apparently that's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting question about the eyes and the brain and

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<v Speaker 1>blood pressure and all that. Yeah, we may have to

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<v Speaker 1>come back to G forces in the future. UM. And

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the expanse goes, I'm loving that series.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about to come back on Amazon Prime, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited for that. But also the books are quite good.

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<v Speaker 1>I only read the first one, but but really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I had some great science in it um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think you've read Kim Stanley or Robinson,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't you, Joe, and I misremember love Kim Stanley Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually just starting a new Kim Stanley Kim Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson book right now called The Ministry for the Future.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not read twelve, but I want to. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>And but I will say, uh, Ryan, I do not

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<v Speaker 1>think that is the scene I had in mind, because

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<v Speaker 1>actually I think I was partially misremembering the circumstances of

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, and I think this next listener nailed exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it was that I was half remembering. So this

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<v Speaker 1>message comes from Bentley. Bentley says, when you mentioned a

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<v Speaker 1>fighter pilot knowing that they were going to black out

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<v Speaker 1>and having to recover before crashing. The first type of

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<v Speaker 1>situation that popped into my head is from the first

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<v Speaker 1>Iron Man movie with Robert Downey Jr. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>where Obadiah Stain, the Ironmonger, had an upgraded version of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mark one. So in the premise of the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>the villain also builds like his own Iron Man type suit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's bigger and bulkier and different. Going on h

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Downey Jr. Takes him to the upper stratosphere to

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<v Speaker 1>make the Mark one ice up. Then as they fall

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<v Speaker 1>out of the sky because of the lack of oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>and cold, Robert Downey Jr. Has to recover. Not specifically

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<v Speaker 1>G force related, but I am sure there was there

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<v Speaker 1>was a G force element as well. Love the pod Bentley, Bentley,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're exactly correct. I think this is the

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<v Speaker 1>scene I had in mind where he knows he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to black out and hopes he recovers in time to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pilot himself before he hits the ground. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Science aside though that that was a really fun sequence

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<v Speaker 1>in that film, and and clearly drew inspiration from both

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<v Speaker 1>RoboCop two and the film Robot Jocks, which, uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>think by the time this listener mail comes out, will

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<v Speaker 1>we will have already put out an episode of Weird

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<v Speaker 1>How Cinema on? Can we live? It's the question everybody's asking. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll address that in our Robot Jocks episode. Okay, do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to finish off with one or two more

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<v Speaker 1>messages here? Yeah, let's have some more spinning. Bring it on.

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<v Speaker 1>This one comes to us from Silas, Robert and Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed your look at dizziness and had an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>bit of synchronicity and dealing with a different kind of

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<v Speaker 1>motion sickness. I got my wife a VR headset for

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>the holidays to help with our feeling cooped up from

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, and having listened to these episodes helped me

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that we just need to keep training with

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<v Speaker 1>it to overcome the nausea from the apparent motion not

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<v Speaker 1>matching the input from our vestibular systems. I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>it is fairly different, but I but it was a

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<v Speaker 1>useful parallel for me that I felt I should share.

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<v Speaker 1>Love the podcast. Thanks for your hard work. You know

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't even think of this. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is another issue of disneys because I have friends who

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<v Speaker 1>have tried or or use VR headsets and have mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>some issues with dizziness, and uh, yeah, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to know a little bit more about this. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know we have some other listeners out there who

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<v Speaker 1>are also experimenting with VR, I mean some really going

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<v Speaker 1>in there deep. So I would be interested to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what other listeners have to say about this. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to hear from from longtime listener Peter about

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<v Speaker 1>vietic dizziness. Yeah, yeah, I was definitely thinking about Peter

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<v Speaker 1>with this. I'll have to ask him about it, uh

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>on the side, and maybe he can write in a

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 1>listener mail as well. All Right, it looks like Carnie's

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<v Speaker 1>spinning is beginning to come to a close here. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's one more listener mail for today's session. Alright. This

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<v Speaker 1>one is from Voda and it ties together spinning with

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<v Speaker 1>lucid dreaming. I was intrigued by the idea here, so

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<v Speaker 1>voter Rights Joe and Robert. I became interested in lucid

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<v Speaker 1>dreaming after watching the movie Inception, and spent a few

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<v Speaker 1>years during college actively training to increase their frequency and duration.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess of lucid dreams. To increase frequency requires writing

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<v Speaker 1>down one's dreams to improve recall, as well as a

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<v Speaker 1>practice called reality checking. These checks test whether certain areas

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<v Speaker 1>of the brain are offline during R E M sleep

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>and must be performed often enough to become habit in

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<v Speaker 1>waking life, at which point the habit will be performed

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<v Speaker 1>while dreaming and fail spectacularly confirming and beginning the lucid dream.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite reality check is to simply count my fingers

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<v Speaker 1>on one hand, as it is discreet and always at

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<v Speaker 1>hand In dreams, I reliably have more or fewer than

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<v Speaker 1>five fingers per hand, and my brain will rush an

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<v Speaker 1>attempted explanation, like a foggy memory of some accident or

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<v Speaker 1>birth defect, that quickly dissipate into a consistently surreal realization

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>that I'm inside a dream. This realization that one is

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<v Speaker 1>dreaming is often quite startling and even scary, as it

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<v Speaker 1>literally destabilizes your conception of the world you find yourself in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's common for people to wake up within seconds of

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<v Speaker 1>realizing they're in a dream, or to attempt some fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>activity like flight and excite themselves awake. Thus, a few

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<v Speaker 1>methods of stabilizing lucid dreams have been developed. I write

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<v Speaker 1>mostly to provide you with this fascinating piece on dream stabilization,

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<v Speaker 1>written by the modern godfather of lucid dreaming, the Stanford

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<v Speaker 1>researcher Stephen Leberge, who cites sources that may be a

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<v Speaker 1>further interest, and so the quote from Laberge begins here.

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<v Speaker 1>The earliest method for stabilizing lucid dreams was described by

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<v Speaker 1>Harold Van Moore's mesmer in Night. He was the first

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<v Speaker 1>to propose the technique of looking at the ground in

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>order to stabilize the dream. He discusses Carlos Castaneda's famous

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<v Speaker 1>technique of looking at his hands while dreaming to induce

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<v Speaker 1>and stabilize lucid dreams, and argues that the dreamer's body

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<v Speaker 1>provides one of the most unchanging elements in the dream,

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<v Speaker 1>which can help to stabilize the dreamer's otherwise feeble identity

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<v Speaker 1>in the face of a rapidly changing dream. However, as

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<v Speaker 1>he points out, the body isn't the only relatively stable

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<v Speaker 1>reference point in the dream. Another is the ground beneath

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<v Speaker 1>the dreamer's feet. A problem with using vision to stabilize

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<v Speaker 1>a lucid dream is the fact that when a dream ends,

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<v Speaker 1>the visual sense fades first. Other senses may persist longer,

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<v Speaker 1>with touch being among the last to go. The first

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<v Speaker 1>sign that a lucid dream is about to end is

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<v Speaker 1>usually a loss of color and realism. In visual imagery,

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<v Speaker 1>the dream may lose visual detail and begin to take

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<v Speaker 1>on a cartoon like or washed out appearance. This may

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<v Speaker 1>all happen very fast. Within a few seconds, the dream

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>can fade to black leaving nothing visual to focus on.

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<v Speaker 1>For this reason, one might speculate that focus on sensory

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<v Speaker 1>modalities other than vision may be more useful to stabilize dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Why should dream spinning decrease the likelihood of awakening. Several

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>factors are probably involved. One of these may be neurophysiological

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<v Speaker 1>Information about head and body movement monitored by the vestibular

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<v Speaker 1>system of the inner ear, which helps you to keep

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>your balance, is closely integrated with visual information by the

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<v Speaker 1>brain to produce an optimally stable picture of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of this integration of information, the world doesn't appear

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<v Speaker 1>to move whenever you move your head, even though the

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<v Speaker 1>image of the world on your retina moves. Since the

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<v Speaker 1>sensations of movement during dream spinning are as vivid as

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<v Speaker 1>those during actual physical movements, it is likely that the

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<v Speaker 1>same brain systems are activated to a similar degree in

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<v Speaker 1>both cases. And intriguing possibility is that the spinning technique,

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<v Speaker 1>by stimulating the system of the brain that integrates vestibular

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<v Speaker 1>activity detected in the middle ear, facilitates the activity of

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<v Speaker 1>the nearby components of the rim sleeps system. Neuroscientists have

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<v Speaker 1>obtained evidence of the involvement of the vestibular system and

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the production of the rapid eye movement bursts in rem sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Another possible reason why spinning may help postpone awakening comes

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>from the fact that when you imagine perceiving something with

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<v Speaker 1>one sense, your sensitivity to external stimulation of that sense decreases. Moreover,

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is probably the most important factor. If the

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<v Speaker 1>brain is fully engaged in producing the vivid internally generated

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>sensory experience of spinning, it will be more difficult for

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it to construct a contradictory sensation i e. Lying motionless

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>in bed based on external sensory input. When presented with

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<v Speaker 1>two contradictory interpretations of the state of our body in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, our consciousness chooses one or the other, but

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<v Speaker 1>not both models. Uh And then Voter goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>say that Lebourge goes on to describe an experiment in

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<v Speaker 1>which a number of small, regular lucid dreamers were instructed

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<v Speaker 1>in the spinning technique as well as rubbing their hands together.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of these techniques were significantly more likely to prolong

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<v Speaker 1>the dream. Hope, the message wasn't too long winded, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for the show, as it is a constant source

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of insight and wonder looking forward to the next thousand

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>episodes photo. Yeah, the next thousand episodes, which I think

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>we already did the math in this they're they're all

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<v Speaker 1>coming out in the next month now, Rob, I think

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you've actually done episodes on lucid dreaming before. I've never

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>gotten super deep into this topic, so I don't know,

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>do you have any thoughts on this, um? I mean,

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>it all sounds very interesting and and does match up

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>with with what we we talked about in those episodes.

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I did those episodes of Christian back several

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. But yeah, I find that lucid dreaming is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those those topics that one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>stumbling blocks for me is that I've never really applied

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<v Speaker 1>myself towards it myself. And even though I'll have these

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<v Speaker 1>occasional just spots of lucidity and dreaming, I uh, you know,

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I just feel completely helpless in my dreams. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I'll wake up for a second within the dream,

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm I'll realize I'm dreaming and then lose

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>control almost immediately. But then again, like I said, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never really applied myself and tried to do much with it.

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I'd say that my current association with dreams kind of

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>lines up with what David Eagelman uh told me in

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>that interview we did earlier this year, that that he

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<v Speaker 1>considers it to be the night blender, where you just

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 1>stick your head in the night blender and then you

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>just end up with a bunch of nonsense, and then

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the content of the dreams is not really important or insightful,

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and that you know it, you know, probably has some

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, very important reasons otherwise, but it's mostly just

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 1>an unpleasant distraction. Uh. This is probably too I don't know,

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>psychologically revealing in some unflattering way. And I may have

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>said this on the show before, but I find almost

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>every time in a dream where I start to inquire

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>within the dream am about whether I'm dreaming or not,

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I end up concluding, no, this is real, uh, And

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>then I just further go on to explore some some

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>ways in which I failed. Yeah. So I don't know, Uh,

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe we just we both need to apply

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>ourselves more to lucid dreaming. But I don't know. On

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, I wake up and then I usually

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>forget about my dreams rather quickly and move on to

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>all the things I need to do in the waking

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>world without getting into tasks that I'm assigning myself in

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the dream world. All right, well, we're gonna go ahead

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