WEBVTT - Wired: As Above, So Below

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<v Speaker 1>Before my first daughter was born, before I could even

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<v Speaker 1>imagine her existence, I had a dream that I was

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<v Speaker 1>walking at the edge of the world. Everything around me

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<v Speaker 1>was frozen, and the night sky hung low. A little

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<v Speaker 1>girl appeared at my side and pointed into the tiny

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<v Speaker 1>clusters of light. Misha, she said, Misha in Russian, Misha

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<v Speaker 1>means little bear. And if you look up in the

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<v Speaker 1>night sky, as the little girl instructed, you'll see ursa minor,

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<v Speaker 1>the little bear with the North Star at the tip

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<v Speaker 1>of its tail, a star that, no matter where you

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<v Speaker 1>are in the world or who you are in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>has always hung above, guiding us. Hi. Hi. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Julie Douglas, and this is the stuff of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Each of us is connected to each other, relies on

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<v Speaker 1>one another, gives and takes, consciously or unconsciously, weaving the

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<v Speaker 1>web of support that it takes to make a society.

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<v Speaker 1>In a sense, we're all just broken fragments of the whole,

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<v Speaker 1>guiding ourselves back to each other. My name is ah As,

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<v Speaker 1>I said. I'm originally from Turkey, but I have been

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<v Speaker 1>living in this country for past four years and on

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<v Speaker 1>my retired neurologist I'm Sully, I from Thailand, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the US since nine three. My name is Kathy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I actually lived in this area and worked for

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government for thirty years. A Muslim, a Catholic,

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<v Speaker 1>an elapsed Buddhist walk into a march. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of a joke, but it's Aisha, Suli and Kathy.

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<v Speaker 1>We met them at the Women's March in d C,

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<v Speaker 1>historic day when more than half a million people joined

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<v Speaker 1>together in despair, anger, and hope about our collective existence.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope people will begin to talk, both on a

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<v Speaker 1>macro level and on a micro level. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do a lot of one on one um

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<v Speaker 1>with your families and with your friends. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the issues that is happening today people don't

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<v Speaker 1>talk to each other. They do want to yell at

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<v Speaker 1>each other and scream at each other, and they want

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<v Speaker 1>you to believe what they believe. And we all believe

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<v Speaker 1>different things, and we all have the right to believe

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<v Speaker 1>what we want to believe. That's what our country is

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<v Speaker 1>all about. The trick is to find common ground, and

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<v Speaker 1>quite literally, that's something we all have available to us

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<v Speaker 1>right under our feet. Something we know as children but

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<v Speaker 1>forget as adults. Young Ferdinand the Bowl, Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to be bucking heads at the other bulls. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd rather lay under the trees and smell the flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you know, that's what he wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>His mother was concerned that he wasn't doing these things,

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<v Speaker 1>but then she decides that Ferdinand is sort of content

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<v Speaker 1>as he is, and she left him alone. That's Charles Burnbaum,

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<v Speaker 1>the founder, president and CEO of the Cultural Landscape Foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about an influential childhood book, Ferdinand the Bull. We

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<v Speaker 1>met Charles on a sidewalk in Washington, d at the

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<v Speaker 1>Women's March. He told us about his work at the

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<v Speaker 1>Foundation and the way in which landscapes are democratizing and

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<v Speaker 1>even healing. And I've looked back on this recently, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, thinking about this book and this idea of

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<v Speaker 1>um smelling the flowers. What's so interesting to me is

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<v Speaker 1>how often I am moving through a place and people

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<v Speaker 1>aren't looking. They're on their phones, they're looking down. The

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<v Speaker 1>mission of the Cultural Landscape Foundation is to connect people

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<v Speaker 1>to places. By doing that, they teach people how to

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<v Speaker 1>see what Charles calls the invisible hand of the landscape architect,

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<v Speaker 1>or how to value nature and culture on equal footing.

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<v Speaker 1>Escapes are incredibly personal. There's a reason why gardening in

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<v Speaker 1>golf for America's favorite hobbies. I asked Charles what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of landscape is his favorite, and he told me it's

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of borrowed scenery. I think for me the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of sky and guideline. And perhaps it's because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>born and raised in New York City and that open

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<v Speaker 1>space was a very precious commodity. Charles's memories of working

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<v Speaker 1>alongside his grandparents became foundational to his understanding of time

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<v Speaker 1>in history. I had grandparents who lived in New London, Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were My grandmother in particular, was a great gardener. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the sweeps of Black Eyed Susan's and but

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<v Speaker 1>the formative moment that I remember was being in the

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<v Speaker 1>vegetable garden planting tomatoes with my grandfather and tilling the soil.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things we unearthed was an old

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<v Speaker 1>Moxie pop bottle. And you know, as a kid, I

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<v Speaker 1>had never heard of moxipop. Um. I knew coke and pepsi,

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<v Speaker 1>but not moxie. And this was a bottle that probably

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<v Speaker 1>he had been in the ground for I don't know years,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the first time I think, as as

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<v Speaker 1>is even a young person, to think about the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the landscape is embedded with stories and our challenges

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<v Speaker 1>to unlock those and to discover those, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>remember thinking how remarkable it was, and um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think as a young person, I even remember thinking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the dinosaurs and that that they too were

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<v Speaker 1>um part of this palam sest, this layer and layer

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<v Speaker 1>upon layer of landscape history that were tethered to the

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<v Speaker 1>land through time. In history is most evident with something

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<v Speaker 1>called witness trees. One of the things about wenz ape

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<v Speaker 1>is that when you have something that is living like

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<v Speaker 1>a tree, and the tree was there for an event,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes a portal or a life way. Yes. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the most tangible witness trees, if you will, that

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<v Speaker 1>I can think about is um the memorial at the

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<v Speaker 1>World Trade Center in Manhattan. There is this incredible Bradford

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<v Speaker 1>pear tree that survives that day and it was moved

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<v Speaker 1>off site in a protected environment during the work that

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<v Speaker 1>then ensued for a number of years, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>brought back and there's a wonderfully beautifully simply designed railing

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<v Speaker 1>around it, and literally people line up for upwards of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes, as I've witnessed, to be photographed in front

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<v Speaker 1>of this tree and um. To have that tangible connection

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<v Speaker 1>with something that survived that day, it's incredibly powerful. It's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to see how landscapes, borrows, scenery, and public spaces

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<v Speaker 1>can become bound up what Charles calls the messy, emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>and provocative aspects of history. We've seen this recently with

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<v Speaker 1>the executive order signed by President Trump that could reshape

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four national monuments, including Bear's Ears Monument. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a landscape that is imbued with um, not

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<v Speaker 1>just a treasure trove of resources. I mean, I've read

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<v Speaker 1>that there's over a hundred thousand archaeological sites and wall

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<v Speaker 1>etchings that are unrivaled, but it also has Um Navajo

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<v Speaker 1>and Hopie Um and um. You know a great number

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<v Speaker 1>of five I think it's five local tribes, native peoples

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<v Speaker 1>who are you know, have their stories embedded in these places.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you remove the politics that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with saying what is the significance of this place?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, a national monument doesn't have a although

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<v Speaker 1>it is something that the president makes happen, it is

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<v Speaker 1>based on an incredible amount of research and documentation. While

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<v Speaker 1>documentation is incredibly important, there are less tangible facets to

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<v Speaker 1>a landscape. You know, when we talk about our connectivity

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<v Speaker 1>to a place, UM, there's emotional connectivity. UM. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>that might be UM, you know we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>national monuments with Bear's ears. Uh you think about Stonewall

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<v Speaker 1>National Monument in New York City that you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have the tavern, but the park that's across the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>which is called Christopher Park, which is part of that

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<v Speaker 1>National Monument designation, and it's a city park. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know where these um riots or rallies played out over time. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>That landscape boy rehabilitated by a landscape architect in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties named Phil Winslow who died of AIDS. And

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<v Speaker 1>so for people that um, we're in New York. Then

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<v Speaker 1>for people that make the pilgrimage who are UM, gay

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<v Speaker 1>or transgender, UM, this could be this is a very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful emotional connection when you stand there and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the visual connections the borrowed scenery. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being on the terrorists at built more the

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<v Speaker 1>estate in North Carolina in Asheville, and if you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that view, which is preserved, it would be a

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<v Speaker 1>very different experience. But you know, I think the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we don't talk about are the less tangible

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<v Speaker 1>things we experience, Charles says. The National Register of Historic

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<v Speaker 1>Places has something called the seven Aspects of integrity when

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<v Speaker 1>evaluating a property for historic designation. The last two aspects

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<v Speaker 1>are called feeling and association. How do we wrap our

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<v Speaker 1>heads around that? Think about the sound of birds, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those are called biophonic sounds, um, rushing water on a

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<v Speaker 1>grand scale Niagara falls, or it could be a cascade

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<v Speaker 1>in your neighborhood park, or you know, if you live

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<v Speaker 1>in the Lower South, it might be Spanish moss blowing

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<v Speaker 1>in the wind. Those are geophonic sounds and those contribute

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<v Speaker 1>to our experiences. And then there are man made sounds,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of those can be happy or or not

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<v Speaker 1>so happy sounds. I mean, think about going to a

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<v Speaker 1>ball game and the sound of a bat making contact

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<v Speaker 1>with a ball, that cracking sound, and the rush that

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<v Speaker 1>you have when you hear that, or the roar of

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd, is that they give us pleasure, but we

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<v Speaker 1>may not be aware of them. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>all part of experience a landscape are those emotional, visual,

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<v Speaker 1>and sensory sounds and experiences that we have. So with

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<v Speaker 1>all that's tangible and intangible, I asked Charles what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to be a good steward of the land. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's two different kinds of stewardship that happens. There's stewardship

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<v Speaker 1>that happens in your heart, which is basically I mean

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<v Speaker 1>if you own a resource or you know, it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like being a parent. You know, how will you care

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<v Speaker 1>for this place? Um? Will you manage change in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is sensitive to these systems that we both

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<v Speaker 1>have alluded to. And the systems can be cultural life ways,

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<v Speaker 1>they can be at the hand of a designer, They

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<v Speaker 1>can be um ecology and all of its manifestations, UM

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<v Speaker 1>watershed um you know insect and bird populations, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the use of um natives and not exotics. All of

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<v Speaker 1>that is stewardship. But the stewardship is also acting with knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>And this knowledge can be known or just waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>be unearthed, which all comes down to those Moxie bottles

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<v Speaker 1>of stories hidden in the land. How do we begin

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<v Speaker 1>to really unlock these stories and to make people inquisitive,

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<v Speaker 1>invite them to fall into that portal and um, and

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<v Speaker 1>to take the time to do it, to open their heart,

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<v Speaker 1>to open their eyes, to open their ears. An excerpt

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<v Speaker 1>from When I'm Among the Trees by Mary Oliver. When

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<v Speaker 1>I am among the tree, especially the willows and the

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<v Speaker 1>honey locust, especially the beach, the oaks, and the pines,

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<v Speaker 1>they give off such hints of gladness. I would almost

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<v Speaker 1>say that they saved me. And daily around me the

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<v Speaker 1>trees stir in their leaves and call out, stay awhile

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<v Speaker 1>the light flows from their branches, and they call me again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's simple, they say, you too, have come into the

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<v Speaker 1>world to go easy, to be filled with light, and

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<v Speaker 1>to shine part of the Before my first daughter was born,

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<v Speaker 1>before I could even imagine her existence, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>dream that I was walking at the edge of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything around me was frozen and the night sky hung low.

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<v Speaker 1>A little girl appeared at my side and pointed into

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<v Speaker 1>tiny clusters of light. Misha, Misha, she insisted. In Hebrew.

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<v Speaker 1>Misha is a name that can also mean a question.

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<v Speaker 1>The question, who is like God? Perhaps no one or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps all of us. Imagine if you inherited a trunk

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<v Speaker 1>from your ancestors that's full of heirlooms, and the trunk

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<v Speaker 1>has a set size, so you won't get heirlooms from

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<v Speaker 1>everybody because you have a lot, a lot of ancestors.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can imagine you can kind of rifle through

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<v Speaker 1>there and pick up various pieces, uh, and they'll represent

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<v Speaker 1>different ancestral lines for you. My name is Jake Burns,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a manager of population Genomics at Ancestry DNA,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would describe having spent my career examining DNA

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<v Speaker 1>to understand sort of how the evolutionary process works at

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<v Speaker 1>a fundamental level, how does it change your DNA over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake had always been steeped in mathematics and biology, but

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<v Speaker 1>when he learned that with DNA he could dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the past I nearly any organism and discover something hidden

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<v Speaker 1>about their histories, he was hooked. And the idea is,

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<v Speaker 1>over time, DNA through the copying process, it isn't perfect

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<v Speaker 1>when you pass it on generation to generations, so you

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<v Speaker 1>acquire mutations and you can actually think of those mutations

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<v Speaker 1>as a ticking clock, and each mutation is a tick

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<v Speaker 1>um because they're roughly evenly spaced through time. You can

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<v Speaker 1>start to date various events in time by looking at

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the number of mutations or differences that separate

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<v Speaker 1>two different organisms. Combine those molecular clocks with that trunk

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<v Speaker 1>from your ancestors, and a fuller picture of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States unfolds. The US is you know, I think particularly

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<v Speaker 1>exceptional in having drawn immigrant populations from all over the

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<v Speaker 1>world in very recent time, in the last you know,

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<v Speaker 1>four or five years kind of since the birth of

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<v Speaker 1>the country. And um that you know, influx of culture, language, worldview,

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<v Speaker 1>and DNA from around the world creates this great mixture

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<v Speaker 1>within the US. What's exciting from genetics point of view is, UH,

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<v Speaker 1>there are enough subtle differences between these different groups that

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<v Speaker 1>we can you know, attempt to assign kind of originating

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<v Speaker 1>uh points in time and space UH and and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tell this very complicated story of how people have

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<v Speaker 1>arrived and assimilated in some cases or not in other cases,

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<v Speaker 1>uh into the broader population within the US. Point of

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<v Speaker 1>origination arrival simulation. These words stick out because they underscore

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<v Speaker 1>a deeply entrenched pattern in humans, the idea that our

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<v Speaker 1>genes have criss crossed the globe and that we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>far more connected to one another than we know. But

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<v Speaker 1>to truly understand, we're going to need some eminem's in

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<v Speaker 1>a few jars. You imagine, uh, a giant glass bowl

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<v Speaker 1>and you fill it with eminem's. But imagine that we

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<v Speaker 1>have thousands and thousands of eminem's in this giant bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>and imagine that they are hundreds of different colors. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we can imagine this bowl kind of represents one generation

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<v Speaker 1>of people in history, where each eminem is a person

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<v Speaker 1>and their colors tell you something about kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>DNA that they carry. Now imagine that, Uh, to construct

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<v Speaker 1>a new generation, we're going to sort of take a

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<v Speaker 1>sample from that first bowl and move it into a

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<v Speaker 1>second bowl. And that's how we're going to create a

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<v Speaker 1>new generation. When you do your sampling in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of typical population that isn't undergoing a bottleneck,

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<v Speaker 1>you would imagine kind of individually picking out one eminem

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<v Speaker 1>at a time and maybe then dropping it in the

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<v Speaker 1>new bowl and replacing it in the original bowl. So

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<v Speaker 1>what you end up within the second bowl if you

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<v Speaker 1>sample again thousands of em and m's into the second

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<v Speaker 1>bowl is roughly the same representation of colors and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of roughly the same proportions of colors in the second bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of a typical population generation. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a stable population of eminem's pouring in and out day

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<v Speaker 1>after day. But what if something disrupts it, something catastrophic,

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<v Speaker 1>creating a bottleneck. The hand of God, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>digging into the bowl, simply reaching that big, that big

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<v Speaker 1>first bowl with a hand and select a single handful

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<v Speaker 1>of eminem's and throw them into the new bowl, and

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<v Speaker 1>then imagine that that little handful expanded over time. That

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<v Speaker 1>handful effectively represents the genetic bottleneck, where you've taken a

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<v Speaker 1>very small sample of the original population in the original diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've seated a new population. Which you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>happens is in that small handful, you've got probably no

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<v Speaker 1>representatives of some colors, and in some cases you may

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten way more eminem's of a particular color than

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<v Speaker 1>you would expect by chance. We humans take our position

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<v Speaker 1>in the food chain of life for granted, but there

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<v Speaker 1>have been moments in time like around fifty to sixty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago, when humans were far from dominating the world.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the population had whittled down significantly to a bottleneck.

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<v Speaker 1>The handful of Eminem's plut from the jar, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and from this handful we are all descended. To see

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<v Speaker 1>this idea illustrated in a mathematical constellation, Jake and his

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<v Speaker 1>team constructed a network of seven hundred thousand ancestry dot

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<v Speaker 1>com customers. Here's what they found. And if you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>each one uh as a point in a large graph,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll draw an edge between any pair of individuals if

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<v Speaker 1>they share enough genetic material to be fairly recently related.

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<v Speaker 1>What was surprising is that almost that entire graph is

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<v Speaker 1>very highly connected. So among those seven hundred thousand people,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to draw over five hundred million lines to

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<v Speaker 1>connect them all, and yet we still gather into mental tribes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tough time, right. Um. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>I think a wave of nationalism across the world, but

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<v Speaker 1>in response also to the dangers of globalism. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, that's a very tough conversation. I think, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>each person has to sort of um figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>they fall. Um. But I think genetics and family history

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<v Speaker 1>have surprisingly a little part to play in that story.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most important take home messages is is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly this connectivity of of humanity UM. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a tremendous tendency on the surface to um to

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<v Speaker 1>be tribal, right, to support those in our community are

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<v Speaker 1>close community. And part of the way we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>create this social bond is by treating those who are

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<v Speaker 1>next door, just across the street or across the political

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<v Speaker 1>boundary as the enemy. And you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>really powerful things about what we see in genetic data is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those close neighbors typically are very close relatives

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<v Speaker 1>of yours uh in fairly recent history. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be very optimistic that I have high hopes

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<v Speaker 1>for sort of the transformational power of getting this information

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<v Speaker 1>in a broader audience's hands where they can UM kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sit back and sort of recognize how closely related

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<v Speaker 1>we all are. Humans are a collection of genes scattered

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<v Speaker 1>across time as we know it on Earth. But we

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<v Speaker 1>owe our true beginnings to the tumble weed of cosmic matter,

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<v Speaker 1>matter that originated with time itself. The chemical elements that

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<v Speaker 1>we see in the mirror in the Morn, England. We

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<v Speaker 1>look at ourselves. So those were all atoms that were

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<v Speaker 1>inside stars hundreds of millions of years ago to billions

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago. And so this is a pretty astonishing

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<v Speaker 1>story just to begin with about the atoms. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>connected in a very deep way, and yet we all

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<v Speaker 1>forget that. I'm John Mather. I work at NASA Goddard

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<v Speaker 1>Space Flight Center, and I'm the senior project scientist for

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<v Speaker 1>the James web Space Telescope. John's work has helped confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Bang theory the very moment time began when

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<v Speaker 1>our universe came into existence, and he's done this with

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary accuracy. John leads the team for the James Webb

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<v Speaker 1>Space Telescope, telescope designed to peer far back into time.

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<v Speaker 1>Committee was formed, of course, to write a report to

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<v Speaker 1>say what do we do next, and they said, please

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<v Speaker 1>build us an even bigger, more powerful telescope that could

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<v Speaker 1>see further back in time to see those first galaxies growing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's become the James Web Space Telescope. And this way,

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<v Speaker 1>the telescope acts as night vision goggles, observing longer infrared wavelengths.

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<v Speaker 1>This allowed scientists to see things that had never been

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<v Speaker 1>detected before, the locations of thousands of other planets orbiting

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<v Speaker 1>other stars with conditions that could be similar to Earth

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<v Speaker 1>have been isolated. We'd like to find the one that's

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<v Speaker 1>just just the right temperature, the right size, has the

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<v Speaker 1>right amount of gravity, the roughly the right chemistry to

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<v Speaker 1>be like home. This kind of curiosity was a feature

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<v Speaker 1>of John's childhood. I grew up in very rural northern

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, and so it was really country and really

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<v Speaker 1>far away from town, and it was dark at night

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<v Speaker 1>and you could see the stars. It was a really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting place scientifically to grow up because geology was happening

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<v Speaker 1>all around. This is uh where the Appelachians cut across Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the glaciers had come across and brought in

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of interesting stones and rocks, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>fossils lying by the road. We went down to the

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<v Speaker 1>Museum and Natural History in New York City and we

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<v Speaker 1>saw the planetarium show, and we saw the bones displayed

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<v Speaker 1>the dinosaurs, and the and the evolution displays. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see how the fish turned into bigger fish and got

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated over the zillions of years. So anyway, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a fascinating time to be a kid, just having

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of everything was open to be discovered, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything was fascinating. But what draws John the most are

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<v Speaker 1>the mysteries embedded in the stars. Immediately, I'm connected with

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<v Speaker 1>the story that we tell about where did we come from?

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<v Speaker 1>How did we get here? Um? And I know from

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<v Speaker 1>studying and thinking about it that the the universe is

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<v Speaker 1>truly immense and gigantic, and then the stars are really

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<v Speaker 1>far away. And then the part that we can get

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<v Speaker 1>from personal experiences so tiny by coming Earth and you know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>human lifespans about a hundred years, and that's about as

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<v Speaker 1>much as we can remember. We talked to our grandparents,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's about as far back as anybody remembers in person.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we go on to say, well, we sidis

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<v Speaker 1>have figured out what's happened over billions of years, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's way beyond personal experience, but it's still mysterious and wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I say, what a miraculous thing could be

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<v Speaker 1>appreciative of? Say, well, out of this enormous universe, here

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<v Speaker 1>we are looking up at the great mysteries of the

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<v Speaker 1>sky and the mysteries of our own history. So what

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<v Speaker 1>does all of this look like to John who's looked

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<v Speaker 1>deep into space and time through the telescope, returning again

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<v Speaker 1>and again home to Earth. Because the Earth special even

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<v Speaker 1>in the Solar System, we're the only ones that have

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<v Speaker 1>liquid ocean on the surface. We have continents and oceans,

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<v Speaker 1>just enough water to fill up the ocean, but not

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<v Speaker 1>all the way over the top of the mountain. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>we can imagine that life on another planet that had

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<v Speaker 1>water might exist, but without continents, I wouldn't have people.

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<v Speaker 1>Virtually all the astronauts said look back at the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>either from the space station or from the Apollo. They

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<v Speaker 1>all report some kind of mystic experience about this. Seeing

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the Earth as small and fragile and as our only home.

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>People come back realizing that our Earth is very special.

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<v Speaker 1>We might need to protect it as well as we can,

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<v Speaker 1>both from natural disasters and from the kinds of disasters

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<v Speaker 1>that we could cause for ourselves, so we might be

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<v Speaker 1>the only ones for long, long distance around. For chilling

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<v Speaker 1>all of this heavy stuff is actually very grounding. It

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<v Speaker 1>does give you a sense of humility and awe at

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<v Speaker 1>the power of creation. Whatever creation story we may have

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<v Speaker 1>us as no matter how you tell it, it's astonishing,

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<v Speaker 1>so um gratitude for for the opportunity to be here. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jim Lovell, astronaut who went to the moon

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<v Speaker 1>uh said basically, UM, this is heaven right here. When

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<v Speaker 1>you're born, you are in heaven. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful perspective to think about. Um, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>very special spot, a special spot that we all somehow

0:29:31.400 --> 0:30:05.719
<v Speaker 1>made it too. Before my first daughter was born, before

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<v Speaker 1>I could even imagine her existence, I had a dream

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<v Speaker 1>that I was walking at the edge of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything around me was frozen, and the night sky hung low.

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<v Speaker 1>A little girl appeared at my side, and she pointed

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<v Speaker 1>into tiny clusters of light Misha. A year later, my daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>Sayed was born. She grew strong, she pulled sticks across

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt, and she learned the names of the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven years later I woke up. I was thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>weeks pregnant, and I knew something was wrong. Soon I

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<v Speaker 1>bore a second child, a girl who fought her way

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<v Speaker 1>into the world. We named her Sky, and one spring day,

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<v Speaker 1>her sister said whispered to her, I love you, Sky.

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<v Speaker 1>I wished on the North Star for you. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were to connect dots from Sky to each person responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for her existence. Today, you would see a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>infinity spiraling out from her, moving back and forth through time.

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<v Speaker 1>The very same is true for each of us. That

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<v Speaker 1>we are separate from everyone and everything around us is

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<v Speaker 1>a myth. We see water from a faucet and think

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<v Speaker 1>of it as distinctly ours. Food is delivered from the

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<v Speaker 1>ground to our shelves and it becomes ours. We see

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<v Speaker 1>our hand outstretched in front of us, and we think

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<v Speaker 1>that is me. But the fact is the constituent parts

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<v Speaker 1>of our body were ripped from the mesh of the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>molecule by molecule. Even the oxygen we breathe is on

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<v Speaker 1>loan from every breath of every human being who has

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<v Speaker 1>ever lived, and whose breath rippled out into the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>before us. We are wired together by forces seen and unseen.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for joining forces with us this season. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back soon for season three. Many thanks to Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Byurne's at ancestry DNA for helping us to better understand

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<v Speaker 1>that we're all from the same pond. Ancestry dot Com

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>provided several kits for staff, and we are all now

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<v Speaker 1>discovering thousands of third and fourth cousins we never knew

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>we had. And thank you to Charles Burnbaum of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cultural Landscape Foundation, a foundation which can be found at

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<v Speaker 1>t c LF dot org is accepting nominations for at

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<v Speaker 1>risk landscapes. And finally, thank you to Nobel Laurea John

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<v Speaker 1>c Mother of NASA, for sharing personal stories of his

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<v Speaker 1>youth and how those stories led him to look further

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<v Speaker 1>into the universe and by extension, give all of us

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<v Speaker 1>a view into the cosmos. The Stuff of Life is

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<v Speaker 1>written and executive produced by me and Julie Douglas and

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<v Speaker 1>co produced by Noel Brown. Editorial oversight is provided by

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<v Speaker 1>contributing producer Dylan Fagan and Head of Production Jerry Rowland.

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<v Speaker 1>Original music is by Noel Brown. The song Cylinder five

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<v Speaker 1>is by Chris Sabriovsky. You can find more of his

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<v Speaker 1>music at Chris Sabriovsky dot com. This episode also featured

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<v Speaker 1>music by Dylan Fagan, Tristan McNeil and Aaron Grubbs also

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<v Speaker 1>included our songs by Breathers. Find more of their work

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<v Speaker 1>at Breathers dot band camp dot com. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>find the Stuff of Life on Facebook and Twitter, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can email at the Stuff of Life at House

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<v Speaker 1>of Works dot com MHM