1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Mets Up, presented by Fox One. Is 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: there something wrong with Philadelphia? What is going on? I 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys are happen to it, because again, 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: this is a Mets podcast. This is a little more 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: baseball you talk, but in case you've been sleeping under 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: a rock, we'll fill you in. The Phillies and Bryce 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: Harper might have a legitimate problem. I think people are 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: trying to throw water on this thing, and it shouldn't be. 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Dave Dombrowski made comments. Bryce Harper responded to those comments 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: publicly to the Athletic. I think this shit might get 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: uglier sooner than later. It feels super, super weird. We're 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk about it because it's our rival and we 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: hate the Phillies and anything bad with them is a 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: win for the Mets. If you guys are enjoying Mets Up, 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: make sure to subscribe. If you like this baseball talk 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: as well, we have another channel called The wind Up 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: where me and James talk baseball all kinds of baseball. 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Check it out link in the description if you want 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: to go subscribe over there. You like what we're doing. 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: If you're listening to us Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google drops 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: the Ring and drops review, download and subscribe, but without 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: further ado, James, you got the red Philly background behind 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: you over there. It's very very topical for this conversation. Boy, 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: am I excited? 25 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: Now? This is fun? And again, you guys like, why 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: I think I was talking about the Phillies. Not one 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: thing's happening in the Mets world right now. 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: You guys want us to talk about Dicky love Lady. 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: He's been re signed, He's back on a one year deal. 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 2: He's back, and we're gonna start really pushing the offseason content, 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: probably just next week when the World Series over. We're 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: just not there yet. Like we're also going to be 33 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: big AFL recapped later this week, we're gonna have Chris 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: Suero AFL met Superstar coming on the podcast, go and 35 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: interview him talking about some advanced day that we have 36 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 2: and the guys there. But for now, this Philly story 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: is very interesting, and of course it pertains to the 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: Mets because the Phillies won this division this year, they 39 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: won this division last year. This is the preemitive team 40 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: the National League East and except when they playoffs, except 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: in the play I mean this year regular season they 42 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: kind of they kind of fucked up a little bit. 43 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: But this all started right after the Phillies were eliminateed 44 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: from the playoffs. And if you guys forget how the Phillies 45 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: were eliminated from the playoffs, it's because there was an 46 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: error by Ryan Kirker and just threw the ball square 47 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: over Jesse room Mute's head, but basically low than two outs. 48 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: So when something like that happens, you can really get 49 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: in people's heads. You can get it players heads and 50 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: get Vans heads. And now I think we're seeing can 51 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: kind of get in executives heads because Dave don Braski 52 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: did his State of the Union reft the Philly season ended, 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: and for some reason he went on this big die 54 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: tribe about Bryce Harper, kind of needling him, instigating him, 55 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: and I have the quotes year for you guys when 56 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: asked about Harper. Of course, he's still a quality player, 57 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: he's still an All Star caliber player. He didn't have 58 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: an elite season like he's had in the past. I 59 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: guess we only find out if he becomes the leader 60 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: or if he continues to be good. I look around 61 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: the league, Freddie Freeman, he's a really good player. Right, 62 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: he's still a good player. Is he a leite like 63 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: he was before? Probably not to the same extent. Freddy's 64 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: a tremendous player, and that, to me, that's Bryce. Can 65 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: he rise to that next level? Again, I don't really 66 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 2: know the answer. Then he continued, Really, he's the one 67 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: who will dictate that more than anything else. That's what 68 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: it comes down to. So I don't think he's content 69 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: with the year that he had. And again, it wasn't 70 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: a bad year. When I think of Bryce Harper, you're 71 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: thinking of lead right, you're thinking of one of the 72 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: top ten players in baseball, and I don't think it 73 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: fit into that category. But again, a very good player. 74 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I've seen guys at his age 75 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: again he's not old that level off, or I've seen 76 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: guys rise again. We'll see what happens. 77 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: It's insane. It's a lot. That's like you didn't have 78 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: to tell us all that. You didn't have to say 79 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: all those words. You could have just been like, hey, like, 80 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: we hope Bryce bounces back, have another strong season. He's 81 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: a part of this team. And he went the complete 82 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: opposite and where I think he started, Okay, it was 83 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: like one of those ones like shut up, shut up, 84 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: stop talking, stop talking, stop talking. Because we now have 85 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper's reaction to these comments, as well as all 86 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: the speculation. Joel Sherman went on a podcast talked about 87 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: how he would not be one hundred percent surprised if 88 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper got traded this offseason. There was a lot 89 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: of things flying around. 90 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: And then Dave don Brewski after that came on Foul 91 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: Territory and they kind of walked these things back. He 92 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 2: was like, no, he isn't a Leede talent. He isn't 93 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: a lead town think. You know, I don't want I 94 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: don't want to anyone read too much into this, which 95 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: is kind of exactly what you would do if you 96 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: probably weren't considering trading this guy. 97 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, like if there was a thought that Bryce Harper 98 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: maybe isn't the piece that you want for the next 99 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: I think he's still there for what seven more years? 100 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: Eight more years? Hold that right now, you'll find out 101 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: how many years. Maybe they try to get out of it, 102 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: like feels insane, but Bryce Harper is still very good. 103 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: A down season for Bryce Harper was still I think 104 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: in the Athletic Arl they mentioned He's was in the 105 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: top twenty still in terms of WRC plus or ops 106 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: plus in baseball, so still still pretty damn good in 107 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: what was a bad season with a wrist injury, which 108 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: does zap power. And that was the biggest thing missing 109 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: from Harper's game this year was his power. 110 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 111 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: Bryce Harper is signed through the twenty thirty one season, 112 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: so one, two, three, four, five, six more years at 113 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: average annual value around twenty four million, which is a 114 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: year dirt cheek. 115 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: By the way, That's absolutely nothing for Bryce Harper. 116 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: It's a tremendous contract for who he still has as 117 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: a player. But then when Harper responded to this, you 118 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: did feel like he felt a little bit the trade 119 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: a little bit hurt. 120 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: So this is what Harper said. He said, I've given 121 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: all to Philly from the start. Now there's trade talk. 122 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: I made every effort to avoid this. It's all I 123 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: heard in DC with the Nationals. I hated it. It 124 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: makes me feel uncomfortable. Harper said he was hurt by 125 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: Dombrowski's original comments, which were made at the end of 126 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: season media availability, despite Dombrowski saying he was not challenging Harper. 127 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: That's Harper saying he was hurt. Kind of crazy, kind 128 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: of nuts. Don't If I was a Phillies fan, I 129 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: would be like, what is going on? And in the. 130 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: Original Matt cail barticle about Dombrowski's comments from the Athletic, 131 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: he was like, if you read between the lines and squint, 132 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: this looks like an executive trying to challenge a veteran player. 133 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: And then again when dop Broski went in foul territory, 134 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: he goes, this thing now has a life of its own. 135 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: Now I've been reading that, oh, the Phillies made trade 136 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: price Harper. That couldn't be further from the truth. We 137 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: love him, we think he's a great player. And then 138 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: the fact that this keeps being said out loud, you 139 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: got to think that there's something here. But also we've 140 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 2: seen this with the Messa in the last few years. 141 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: The league doesn't value first basement very much. No, but 142 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: now we're all watching the World Series right now. Having 143 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: elite players who could hit any position will help you 144 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: get to the next. 145 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 1: Level, and it doesn't matter what their defense is. Flad 146 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Junior can't play first base, doesn't matter because he matches 147 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman mashes you don't care. 148 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: It's also though, the fact that and we talked about 149 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: this with the Mets. We talk about a little bit 150 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: the pilanz situation right now. The Phillies, they've had the 151 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: same core we're going on four or five years, but 152 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: exactly the same thing. They keep hitting a wall at a 153 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: similar spot. In fact, a lot of times the Phillies 154 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: are actually moving backwards, having even reached the NLCS in 155 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: a few years now. There's probably sometimes you have that 156 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: little tickets out of your brain when you're an executive. 157 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: Should I change for the sake of change? Probably wrong 158 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: in the case of literally Bryce Harper, but also like, 159 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 2: is Bryce Harper suddenly player? 160 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we did some content on the wind up 161 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: and we put him in All Star. We didn't put 162 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: him in the elite tier, and based on how he 163 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: played last year, he was not an elite performer. I 164 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: think I don't think that by any means you'd say 165 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: he's one of the elite first basement statistically last season. 166 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: That being said, do I think he's gonna come back 167 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: next year and have an MVP caliber season. Offensively with 168 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: those numbers, for sure, he still gets on base at 169 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: one of the highest clips. In the league. He still 170 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: has the raw eggs of you low powers that you 171 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: want to have, your power hitter. It was just a 172 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: weird season for him overall. There is kind of an 173 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: underappreciation though, happening for him right now. Even I'm seeing 174 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: Phillies fans replying to stuff about the Harper rumors in 175 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: his comments and them being pissed at him. Granted, Harper 176 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: has not shown up in the postseason for the Phillies. 177 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: That's been definitely a big reason why you mentioned at 178 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: the beginning the Phillies got knocked out by the Dodgers 179 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: because of a play made by the pitcher, But truthfully, 180 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: it's because the court didn't show up for a second 181 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: in that series against the Dodgers. If any of them hit, 182 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: they're going they're probably still playing baseball right now. They're 183 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: in the World Series. And Harper being one of those 184 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: guys who hasn't performed well the last. 185 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: Three years, Harper did perform in the playoffs. This is 186 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: the first time Harper didn't showup in the playoffs, and 187 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: fair Phillies fans kind of love. We all as baseball fans, 188 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: loved that recent reason. 189 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: But did he show up against the Mets. 190 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he hit the home run, he walked a ton, 191 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: and he did have the big strike caud that was 192 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: against Manayah. But like he you wouldn't blame him for 193 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: them losing that series. Yeah, that one wasn't his wault. No, 194 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: all none of them his fault. But no, none of 195 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: these are his fault at all. He hit six home runs, 196 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: they're twenty twenty two playoff front. Like the guy was 197 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: three fifty average that postseason. He was all over the field. 198 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: Like for people to blame Bryce Harper's for the Phillies 199 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: losses because he didn't have a good postseason this time 200 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: and play the appearance it's stupid, But yeah, it is 201 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: a good reminder that a lot of times I think 202 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: this is we see this across the league. We see 203 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: the Stearns. We just saw this Don Browski, we saw 204 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: his famous with Jerry Topolo. Mister fifty four percent. These 205 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: executives live in their own world. They think in their 206 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: own world. They do, they don't. They say things sometimes 207 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: they just sounds so fucking as nine to us fans, 208 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: but like they have the process behind it. But that's 209 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: also the same distance sometimes between these executives and players, 210 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: and then you get Bryce. He even doubled down more 211 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: in some comments that he went he went to Matt Gelprest. 212 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: He didn't have to make any of these comments. Back 213 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: Up's a great writer. He's a Phillies lead beat riight 214 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: for the athletic And because all players get hurt. Hurt 215 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: my wrist this year, I missed a month. Of course, 216 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: they didn't have full year numbers. It's disappointing to hear 217 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: me being questioned about my contribution to the team. Just 218 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: really hurt by that notion because I love Philly so much. 219 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: Harper was very intentional when he had when he was 220 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: a free agent and he signed his contract that he 221 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: wanted to go somewhere and that was it. He wanted 222 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: to fight a home. He didn't negotiate any opt outs 223 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: like every other player wants to negotiate opt outs. He 224 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: did negotiate a contract the same time as May and 225 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: Machadough and Harper Machado, I think are both Hall of 226 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: famers from this era. I think Michild is probably more 227 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: valuable player in our quotes because his defense is so good, 228 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: but I think May and Michild is also much more 229 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: inconsistent player than Bress. Harper is but child negotiate his 230 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: opt out. He got a huge bonus a few years ago. 231 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: Harper didn't want to deal anything. He didn't want to 232 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: think about any of that. No, I want to be here. 233 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: He said that. Later on the article, he said, I 234 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: wanted these fans to know Philly is my home from 235 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: the start. I made the commitment to stay here the 236 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: rest of my career, no opt outs, even though I 237 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: was advised otherwise. I trust John John being the owner 238 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: of the Phillies and hearing your GM who I mean, 239 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: he's in charge of building this team. Bryce Arper can 240 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: only do what Bryce Harper can. It's got to be 241 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: extremely frustrating. Again in a season where you were injured 242 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: for a team that you took. He took a pay cut. 243 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: Twenty four or twenty five million dollars a year for 244 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper is unbelievably affordable. We're talking about like that's 245 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: what we think p Alonzo would get on the top end. 246 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper is a Hall of fame where Peo Alonso 247 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: hopes to get their one day type conversation. He moved positions. 248 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: He's done everything that you would want from your star player. 249 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Anybody would want from your star player, someone who's looking 250 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: to win. There's no doubt Bryce Harper is trying to win. 251 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: Even that contract with so team friendly that it could 252 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: help them sign Zach Willard to long term deals and 253 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Dolan, all these different guys, straight Turner bringing all 254 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: these players it it did feel like you mentioned a 255 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: little bit of that disconnect that happens at times between 256 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the front office and the players, where it was like 257 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: you just you can think that and you should just 258 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: keep it inside. You should keep it with the people 259 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: at work. 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The whole thing felt 291 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: very calculated, and the last line of this article was 292 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: another quote from Harper to close from changing positions to 293 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: coming back earlier from injury, I show total commitment for 294 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: my team, and yet there is still trade talk. Fucking 295 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: hate this shit and pissed off. 296 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: When's the last time you heard a player publicly talk 297 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: about his name being in trades and he didn't want that? 298 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: You never hear that Bryce Harper has full no trade 299 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: clause right now because he had the ten and five 300 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: right to kick in so he he doesn't have to 301 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: go anywhere he doesn't want to. But in the same regard, 302 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: it feels like we might be on the path. Maybe 303 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: this is megabrain in March April. It feels like we 304 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: could be having a possible Rafael de Never's two point 305 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: zero situation, where why are you causing this rift? But 306 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: now one of your superstar players might not be here 307 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: when you look at the team in June. Even though 308 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: I still think it's crazy that Bryce Harper would ever 309 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: get traded, but the fact that Harper even acknowledged trade 310 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: talks is crazy. 311 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: And I think that if the dev situation didn't happen. 312 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: I would say this zero percent chance of Harper getting traded. 313 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: I think that was an eye opening experience. And also 314 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: at the same time, the Giants might trade for Bryce Harper, 315 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: they might do it again, but they the team that 316 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: can't get free agent side for him as a trade 317 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: for all with the big contract already. But Harper can 318 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: deny any trade he wants if you never couldn't like. 319 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: That's a big part of here too, which makes this 320 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 2: again very unlikely. But it's just you don't really want 321 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: this friction. And again maybe this is maybe this was 322 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: Don Browski. Maybe Don Browski goes pissing them off. 323 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: This money, we free up this money, I can actually 324 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: make this team better, which I don't know how they 325 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: do that. It's only twenty five million dollars, so I 326 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: don't know how they make this team better by losing 327 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper. But maybe he goes we I piss off Harper. 328 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: Harper is a little more interested in being traded the 329 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: no trade clause thing. He's like a fine, get rid 330 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: of me. And this is maybe this is what he wanted. 331 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how that is. I can't I can't 332 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: connect the dots, But why. 333 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: Then to give plans with the same money to move 334 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 2: Alec Bohlame to first base, Like there is a bit 335 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: of a like I don't know, I think the first 336 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: basement baseball. She gets together like the running backs and 337 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 2: football did the few years ago, exactly, Like why the 338 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: fuck are you guys disrespecting us? Like why in the 339 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: world are thirty five homers at three fifty on base percentage? 340 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: Why is that suddenly not valuable? And even the fact 341 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: that Harper doesn't really work right well in DRS air 342 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: defensive value, but he does right well in OAA And 343 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: again that's all we that's all in the public that 344 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: we have to value defense Brice. Harper's back to be 345 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: was consistent where it was last year. He chases a 346 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: lot of pits that strike somebody. He's kind of always 347 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: done that, Like his missis Loup, He's always done that. 348 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: Like Bryce Harper is a fucking masher. Every team baseball 349 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: better off for Bryce Harper. You have him on the Mets, 350 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: you have Yankee fans right now throwing out trade proposals 351 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: with Ben Rice, and you have the argument like who 352 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: actually would you at? Like it's just it's a funny 353 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: situation where we're at now, and I think it does 354 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: the crux this which I guess has sublitized back to 355 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: the Mets a little bit. So for some reason, first 356 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: Basement just habitually disrespected this era. 357 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're like unless your name's Freddy Freeman. If 358 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: your name's Freddie Freeman, they treat you like you're a 359 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: wucking god. 360 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: Dave don Brawski insulted Freddie Freeman in the same comment 361 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: he said he's not leading more either. 362 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done. Browsky's got no rings with the Phillies. Well, 363 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: Freddy Freeman's got what with the two teams he's played for. 364 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: So I mean it's just why again, why fuck would 365 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: you ever say these things if you're the president base 366 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: operations for your team. 367 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: Like, we've talked so much about the comments that David 368 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: Sterns made this year and the big one with Senga 369 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: code I Sanga is not fucking Bryce Harper, not even 370 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: remotely on the same planet as Bryce Harper. And we 371 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: were reading into the tea leaves with those being like, 372 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: seems like Stearns is done with Senga. Seems like Sanga 373 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: might be a guy on the way out. Could you 374 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: imagine if he did that with Francisco lindor if he 375 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: mentioned about like one of the players, even if he 376 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: said stuff about Nimo, who is not even in the 377 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: same realm as Bryce Harper either, those are names that 378 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: he left out. You just don't say that stuff about 379 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: guys that won are there for a while, two will 380 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: be there for a while, and three are the best 381 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: players on your team. 382 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: That's the thing you don't say pub publicly. Yes, again, 383 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: that's how we talked about the beginning to disconnect with 384 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: some of these guys. Like there was a great tweet 385 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: that went out went around that Jerry Depolo famously the 386 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: fifty four percent thing. Yes, since that quote from Jerry Dipolo, 387 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: the Mariners have won fifty three percent of their games 388 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: fifty three point a seven. If they were the one 389 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: game seven against Blue Jays was fifty it was eighty 390 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: four point one percent. So these guys, that's the other thing, 391 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: Like these fift these guys are one. These guys are 392 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: fifty four point one. These guys are fucking These guys 393 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: are very fucking smart. But we also think behind the scenes, 394 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: least I said this to you, behind the scenes. I 395 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: listened to the for All You Kids podcast shout Out 396 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: Jared and Jeffrey baseball perspectives, there probably is some thoughts 397 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: things inside the Mets room about where guys like first 398 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: of school endor are right now in their contracts, like 399 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: what has to happen to make this team get to 400 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: the next level, be super elite. And I think that 401 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: we're having to have these conversations from a Mets perspective 402 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: because of how openly disastrous this season just was. That 403 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: like when something goes this wrong, even though you do 404 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: think in a lot of places your process was decent, 405 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: you just have to change some things because you got 406 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: everything went wrong. And this is a Phillies team where 407 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: this is, this is five years in a row. You 408 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: have not gotten further. Like you you are stuck as 409 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: an organization right now. You keep getting the same spot 410 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: and you keep losing in different low key embarrassing ways. 411 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: Like imagine asking Phillies fan, what's are the last three 412 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: playoff defeats? Was worse? What would you say? 413 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Losing to the Diamondbacks after beating up, after being up, 414 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: your pitcher fumbles a pitch or hit back to him 415 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: and then throws the ball over the catcher's head when 416 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: he could just throw the ball to first and gotten 417 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: an easy out, or the Mets just completely dogging you, 418 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: pantsing you and making you look like a little boy, like. 419 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 2: This is this is this is a cataclysmic three years 420 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: for a franchise that has every single thing in place, 421 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: you assume to get to the right spot. And again, 422 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: still pretty clear books like the Filthies have five guys 423 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: picking over twenty million dollars. One of them is nic Costianos, 424 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: who's a joke. And then also. 425 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: Cass is gone. 426 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: And also at the same time, like, I know how 427 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: you feel about Alec Bohm, but like Alec baum is 428 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 2: an average baseball player, sure you know what I mean, 429 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: Like it has a seven hitter, You could do. 430 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: A lot worse in Major League basebas Oh if Alec 431 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: Bohm actually hit seventh, awesome, sick, that's our He's Brett Baity. 432 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: I keep saying that all the time. 433 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: You've pulled Christopher Sanchez from the depths of hell, and 434 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: he's an absolute ace level pitcher, the top ten pitcher 435 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: in the league. You just revived Haysus Lazard this whole career. 436 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: He looks like a reborn stuff once again, the Zach 437 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: Wheeler thinks a big question, but you shouldn't. Again, Maybe 438 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: it's hard to say from my perspective because like you 439 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: won ninety six games, you still want the best team 440 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: in baseball. You keep being the same spot losing, you 441 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: probably shouldn't be looking to shake up things that much. 442 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: If you're a team like the Phillies right now. 443 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: You would think that the shakeups would be just the 444 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: turnover of who has to leave the organization through free 445 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: agency or through trades. But like not Harper, you would. 446 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd point out one of your most 447 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: valuable players and be like, it's probably he's probably the 448 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: reason why we're not playing so well. 449 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's also this is maybe something the thing 450 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: else with these executives and Mets fans want to say 451 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: it about David Sears all the time, but every single 452 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: one of these guys does believe they're smartest guy in 453 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: the room. I think you have to be brilliant to 454 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: even getting one of these roles in the first place. 455 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: And this Phillies team, they haven't had that same infusion 456 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: of youth that other organizations gets here over the course 457 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: a few years. Think the Phillies this year had something 458 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: like one of the lowest number of play appearances about 459 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: players twenty four or younger. I think they have the 460 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: fewest major league debuts in baseball off last three years too. 461 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 2: That led the article, the original one about Don Braskio 462 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: went out to say, but that's also about TOMBRASKI just 463 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: every single year, trade trade, trade, trade, trade, trade shoff, 464 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: sholf shelf shuffle. You get a lot of credit for that. 465 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: Then they lose the playoffs. Ever kind of forgets like, oh, 466 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: I wish we kind of had maybe just some of 467 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: these young players, because we talked about a lot this year. 468 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: The Phillies bench was abominable, torrible, like I mean and 469 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: is terrible. Rules of Raphael march On Weston Wilson, like 470 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: some of the names on there. You're like, these are 471 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: not these are not major league baseball players. Let's be honest. 472 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: I know it's a lot nuts rich coming from the Mets. 473 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: We're not saying the Mets were amazing. 474 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 2: This is you can you. 475 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Can talk about both without either of them having to 476 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: have a Van diagram where they connect. But yeah, like 477 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: the Phillies had negative one thousand depth. There was nothing 478 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: if there if one thing went wrong, their season was 479 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: going to derail completely. 480 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: This also is a conversation that happens because we have 481 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: a super team like the Dodgers in baseball, where a 482 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: team like the Phillies probably would have broken through at 483 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: some point, you know what I mean, even this year, 484 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 2: Like you could squint and be like probably still the 485 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: second or their best team in the whole league without 486 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: also sure that. 487 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: Being said again, if they just hit in the NLDS 488 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: they beat the Dodgers, they they did not hit at all. 489 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: And if they just hit Blake Snow on your show 490 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 2: Beyond Mother, like, that's that's kind of tall task considering 491 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: who those guys are, I guess. 492 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: But Dodgers didn't hit either. 493 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 2: No, they didn't have good pitching, got starting pitching. It's 494 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: just it's that weird thing where like do I change 495 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: something or do I try to do the exact same 496 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: thing again. I hope for a different result. 497 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: I hope they trade Bryce Arper, get him out of 498 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: the NALYS, although we kind of as long as we 499 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: have Edwin Diaz, Bryce Arper doesn't matter to us in 500 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: the ninth inning, But which I. 501 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: Mean, I'll says, bring it back to the Mets will 502 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: the close you got after some Mets talk. Maybe I 503 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: I feel less confident going to have Edwin Diaz after 504 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: this weekend because Anthony Tacomo put out a mailbag article 505 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: and someone asked him who's more likely to be a 506 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 2: Met next year? Edwind Diaz p Alonso? He said, p Alonzo. 507 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure that his. 508 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: Reasoning, though, was kind of like bullshit. Though, did you 509 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: did you see what he said? He said, I'm just 510 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: gonna read it out for you guys to answer your question. 511 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: Though I've long believed Alonso has a better chance of staying. 512 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: While Alonzo may find a friendlier free agent market awaiting 513 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: him this winter without a qualifying offer attached to his services, 514 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: he arguably fits the Mets better than any other suitor realistically, 515 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe that statement. 516 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: I kind of believe that because now look at a 517 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: segueing everything back and forth, red soxize kind of why. 518 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: I think, why wouldn't he be a better fit with 519 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: the Red Sox. 520 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: I think they'd rather bregnant. I don't think they're going 521 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: to do both. 522 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Sure, but in terms of like where Pete calls home, 523 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: I think that's more so like in terms of the suitors. 524 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I don't think the Mets are like this, this perfect 525 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: landing spot for Pete as opposed to the Red Sox 526 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: or some of the other teams out there, Like I think. 527 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: They kind of are, because we're the team that blatantly 528 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 2: doesn't have a first basement without him. True, but I 529 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: got nothing. 530 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: The Red Sox don't want Tristan casts he's gone, they 531 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: think dying to get rid of him. 532 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: But then you still have to trade him. That I 533 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: would come back to this Harper thing. The teams just 534 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 2: don't make big offers for first baseball. 535 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: Wait, let me let me finish this, because this was 536 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: the other part where I was like, he said, sure, 537 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: President of Baseball Operations David Seerns is not going to 538 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: love Alonzo five six, seven years if he can't avoid it. 539 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: But Alonzo's skill set, the Mets roster hole, and is 540 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: important to the franchise are all factors. For those reasons. 541 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: I have a hard time visioning the two sides not 542 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: coming to a mutually beneficial agreement. And I gree with 543 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: that last sentence, but you know how much I hate 544 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: the importance to the franchise thing is like, is he good? 545 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: Is it gonna make this team better, That's all that 546 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: matters for those reasons. Yes, Pete is aus, love him here, 547 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: want him back as a met the importance to the 548 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: franchise thing, that's complete bullshit. The ever SERTs does not 549 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: give a fuck about that. 550 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: No, And I think a lot of people who maybe 551 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: are hoping Planza comes back because of that, I should 552 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 2: probably get that out of their heads, cause I just 553 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: don't think that's how that might have been, how some 554 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: executive thought, like in the eighties or the nineties, early 555 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: two thousands. But it's just it's simply not It's not 556 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: a factor. And I do think that there is a 557 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: slight flip side to that where I do think that 558 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: players in the league might care about that, where if 559 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: you want to sign a contract with the team, you 560 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: want to know what they're taking care of players. I 561 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: think a lot of players in Music Baseball respect the 562 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: shit out of Pilanso. I think a lot of players 563 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 2: are like that is kind of their franchise guy, Like 564 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: he's the homegrown guy. He's been there of course longer 565 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: Lindor now it's going to be him and some of 566 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 2: those teams. 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But there probably is something where we said 597 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: all the time the mess mess team has a stank 598 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: and Pelonzo is one of the guys. We talked about 599 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: clearing the organization of anybody who share the room with 600 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: the Willpots. 601 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: But I want Peeback. I do want Pee back. I 602 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: want to make this very clear every time we finally I. 603 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: Want Pepee back. But again, and you're about the Devors 604 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 2: thing too, where it felt stupid at the time, it's 605 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: still felt stupid when the Red Sox were eliminated from 606 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 2: the playoffs. 607 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: That's the trade they got. It's what they got back 608 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: that's made it stupid. It's not the idea of trading 609 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: Rafael Devers. 610 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: I think I think we go through this with baseball 611 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 2: at the time where people kind of get obsessed with 612 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: players and names on a sheet, the paper and on 613 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: the web. Patreot, you look in the off season, but 614 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: baseball is such as so much more some of the 615 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: parts game like it's all about fit, and it's about culture. 616 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 2: You gotta hang out the guys every single day. 617 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Culture. 618 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Pee's bad for that, but it's 619 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: just and again is how we got into this conversation 620 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: with Harper, Like if you can't get over the hump, 621 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: like you just gotta change something. Sometimes that is like 622 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: sometimes that winds up being the manager. Affilies don't change 623 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: the manager of the Mets didn't change their manager. The 624 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: Red Socks haven't changed their manager. Like you just maybe 625 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: have to get new guys in a room. And again, 626 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: I don't want that not to be Pete, but the 627 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: Mets have been trying for years to turn over this 628 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: new leaf, like in the Cohen regime, and now is 629 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: the time they took really a significant step backwards. I 630 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: don't know out Jeff Fisher. Sometimes you have to go 631 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: backwards to go forwards. But it's like there's something to that. 632 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: And again the DeForest thing, he seemed like he was 633 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: kind of like a petulant member of the clubhouse, which 634 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: is something you want to avoid. Because the Red Sox 635 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: were graduating lots of super high end prospects they didn't 636 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: kind of want them to be and this was words 637 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: that came out. Chris, you have these reports guys in 638 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: Nest Nay Sports. They basically red Sock's worried about like 639 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 2: spoiling the minds of these like should be young men 640 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: with a bad lead like Rafael Devers, which is great, 641 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: that's nowhere close to plans was we speak. People speak 642 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: very highly of him's leadership everything, but just the changing 643 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: sometimes getting some difference makers feat different people in there 644 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: making a difference, different fits anything. 645 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's a weird conversation to have because 646 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: it's just in your mind, both of these guys should 647 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: be on the teams that they've been on for the 648 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: rest of their career. 649 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: It's both guys cases be very surprising for this to change. 650 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: But I mean now we're in a world where both 651 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: guys might not be on the same team. 652 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: I mean one guy might be in the other team, 653 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: like Philly Trede bars Arbor's side. Pilanzo, I've been a 654 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 2: fucking freak the fuck out, but it's gonna. 655 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: Be really drunk. 656 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: This is this is our way to just like covertly 657 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: have another plans website because we've just given you guys 658 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 2: that because the only thing to really talk about right now, 659 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: because that is the big story, even though he's not 660 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: going SCIGN till January. 661 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, now there's there's really not much else going on 662 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: in the Mets world. We appreciate you guys for watching 663 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: and listening. Shout out. Mark got married this weekend. Give 664 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: him a little shout out. He always listens to the 665 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: podcast and watch, so I appreciate you. I hope you're 666 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: enjoying being married. Otherwise, we're gonna catch you guys later 667 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: this week for the Chris Swerrow interview Arizona Fall League 668 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: Recap because they've got a lot of data about all 669 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: the players they've Mets sent there, and if you just 670 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: like prospect talk, which I think most of you guys do, 671 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: it's great little catchup for you since we haven't done 672 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: it in a minute. Otherwise, that is pretty much it. 673 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening, Thank you for watching. Make 674 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: sure you're subscribe to mess Up, make sure you're following 675 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: us on all our social media on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. 676 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: You can follow James at James Shadow and I'm Draftnickmark 677 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: with the C. Subscribe to the wind Up. You guys 678 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: know the drill. Thanks for watching. 679 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: Peace Out peaced guys. Let's go Mets.