Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yeah? Goodness, last culture?
Speaker 1: And now you said you were sort of shook a
Speaker 1: second ago. What I shook you? I just saw a
Speaker 1: tweet from a reader at my sayer lady just tweeted
Speaker 1: at us. What did they say? Lost culture? Rests should
Speaker 1: also know if you click the ellipsus next to someone's
Speaker 1: be real, it will show you how many times they
Speaker 1: retook it. Oh, isn't that shocking? That is shocking, shady
Speaker 1: and shitty. Can I be real right now and say
Speaker 1: always always with me? Thank you? This this podcast has
Speaker 1: been a be real for six years. Honey, be real,
Speaker 1: more like been real. It's actually real culture number fourteen, honey, honey,
Speaker 1: be real, more like real? Say that actually hashtag lost
Speaker 1: culled hashtag lost culture. But I will say I have
Speaker 1: retaken several be reels and that's not being real. That's
Speaker 1: not being real. And you had the goal to be
Speaker 1: on here be I like, I think this is going
Speaker 1: to save social media. It's getting me to be so real.
Speaker 1: It's still orders of magnitude better than any other social
Speaker 1: media platform. I'm actually reaching over with my foot right
Speaker 1: now to grab my for those of you, because podcasts
Speaker 1: are not a visual medium. I'm actually horizontal right now,
Speaker 1: sort of like Maria in her in her in her
Speaker 1: show Mariah's World. I'm horizontal on on my on my
Speaker 1: bed in my hotel right now. I'm reaching over with
Speaker 1: my foot to get my phone because I think the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm getting is because I don't want to
Speaker 1: be real. To tell me to be real, and then
Speaker 1: what will happen going for for we need a plan
Speaker 1: if if be Real happens this episode or any other
Speaker 1: episode during recording, what do we do. I think we
Speaker 1: have to be real. We have to be real, and
Speaker 1: I have to be I have to be real right now.
Speaker 1: I really hope that that happens. I hope that happens
Speaker 1: because let me tell you something. I want everyone to
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing right now. I want everyone to
Speaker 1: know about the people I'm with and talking to because
Speaker 1: I'm talking the legends. I'm talking the legends. Before we
Speaker 1: sort of bring in the legend, can we talk about
Speaker 1: your legendary night you presented at the Tony Awards, You
Speaker 1: fucking six fiend. I presented at the Tony Awards, and
Speaker 1: I was telling our guest and you moments ago that like,
Speaker 1: we're just again, and I know it's so uninteresting. This
Speaker 1: is so interesting, this is so interesting, but it's so
Speaker 1: uninteresting conceptually to hear someone talk about how tired they are.
Speaker 1: And we know, we we realize the couple of Systems
Speaker 1: readers that we've been doing this for the last few
Speaker 1: episodes talking about tired we are. But you know, the
Speaker 1: Fire Island press cycle is not over yet, not even close.
Speaker 1: And so sorry, by the way, sorry, by the way,
Speaker 1: it will it will culminate in the Culture Awards that
Speaker 1: will be like basically the last press stop, which is
Speaker 1: this weekend on saturd Day, and we want to see
Speaker 1: you all there. So Bowen and I are doing watch
Speaker 1: it Happens live. By the time this comes out, that'll
Speaker 1: be out, and we're doing We're going to Pete Town
Speaker 1: so Bowen can get an award and I can sort
Speaker 1: of hashtag be there and uh, then Saturday night is
Speaker 1: the Cultural Awards, and then that's really kind of it.
Speaker 1: That's kind of it, and I and that would be
Speaker 1: a perfect sort of coda and a little little period
Speaker 1: to the whole thing, a coda and a period. The
Speaker 1: coda and appeared anyway, the Tony's I'm just my body
Speaker 1: is just like barely functioning, and so I did. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was dissociating the entire time I
Speaker 1: was there, and it was a four hour ceremony that
Speaker 1: is long. And the choice when like when when the
Speaker 1: Tony Awards or any awards, body is like, you know
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, be very long like that is
Speaker 1: that is a real genuine choice. I will say that
Speaker 1: I read something that made me really laugh about you
Speaker 1: presenting at the Awards, but they said it was someone
Speaker 1: who tweeted and said the Tony Awards audience just reacted
Speaker 1: to Bow and Young coming on stage like Andrew Garfield
Speaker 1: coming out of the portal and Spider Man like like
Speaker 1: they were just like, oh my god, it's Bow and
Speaker 1: Yang from Saturday Night Live. It's you. I was just
Speaker 1: impressed that people had the energy towards the end of
Speaker 1: the show, because I was presenting towards the end and
Speaker 1: I'm like, everyone's going to be so tuckered out. Out
Speaker 1: of all the performances who tore and slay it and
Speaker 1: went off the hard, Oh my god, Rakina Calucongo was
Speaker 1: incredible and fucking immediate stating as soon as she's done,
Speaker 1: and then her speech was also like everyone was shaking,
Speaker 1: and then I had to follow that by coming in.
Speaker 1: I think maybe I think she probably set me up.
Speaker 1: She amped up that entire crowd so that I could
Speaker 1: come out and be like Queen Slay a pop star,
Speaker 1: Henry the eight six and then and then it happened
Speaker 1: this six, Oh my god. But it was actually really
Speaker 1: fun to Okay, I will be real and say, isn't
Speaker 1: it like our dream to like present that not not
Speaker 1: not not an award, but like for like be the
Speaker 1: be the Travolta for the Frozen, you know one. That's
Speaker 1: all I want to do. And I I actually I am,
Speaker 1: I am a little gags if I think about it now.
Speaker 1: But yesterday was such like a okay, now you go here,
Speaker 1: you go here, you go here. It was just like
Speaker 1: really really crazy and I most see the grounding force
Speaker 1: was Eddie Valk, our stage manager at US and I
Speaker 1: was stage managing the Tonys, and it was actually really
Speaker 1: nice to have him there. Sorry, this is some show biz,
Speaker 1: show biz biz. I thought you looked absolutely stunning, like
Speaker 1: a queen and ps mind it was interesting too because
Speaker 1: I had game showing at the Bellhouse and Thomas by
Speaker 1: the way, everyone's obsessed with Thomas now from the episode
Speaker 1: last week, of course, and they came and absolutely destroyed
Speaker 1: game show. You have to go onto their Instagram. They
Speaker 1: posted their making entrance, which is what the wise queer
Speaker 1: does at the in the second half of the show.
Speaker 1: It's a guil. See just instagram and watch they're make
Speaker 1: an entrance. It's so iconic. But anyway, I took them
Speaker 1: to Bubble Sea on Friday and they were the bell
Speaker 1: of the ball. Yeah, the main event of events, unparalleled
Speaker 1: star quality, beyond beyond beyond, speaking of beyond, so sort of, um,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen this weekend is not just the
Speaker 1: Cultural Awards. So basically, so this is the schedule for
Speaker 1: the weekend. Friday, the finale of I Love That for
Speaker 1: You was streaming on Showtime. Then Saturday is the Cultural Awards.
Speaker 1: Then Sunday at eight thirty on Showtime I Love That
Speaker 1: for You airs Because the thing the interesting thing about
Speaker 1: I Love That for You on Showtime is it it
Speaker 1: has its episodes come out twice, sometimes even three times,
Speaker 1: and that's what's so kind of queer about the show.
Speaker 1: They talk about how you know, like like there's actually
Speaker 1: some you know, if you watch the last episode, there's
Speaker 1: actually sort of maybe a queer love story starting. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But the queerest thing about the show is
Speaker 1: how they choose to release the episodes, which is sort
Speaker 1: of everywhere, all at once, everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's very queer. Step Shoe
Speaker 1: is queer basically. Um, what I'm saying is the finale
Speaker 1: is this week, and we have the co creator, really
Speaker 1: my boss, I call him daddy all the time. He
Speaker 1: insists upon it, and he is the creator of the show.
Speaker 1: I love that for you, and really, amongst many other things, Bo,
Speaker 1: this is an icon, an alleged this is an icon
Speaker 1: and a legend. I was really crushing standing since like
Speaker 1: the Onion days, crushing even okay, crushing even well, it
Speaker 1: was just like it was. It was it was Mr Biler,
Speaker 1: not Mr it was Jeremy Piler. You were like, didn't
Speaker 1: you guys match on Tinder? No? Well he I don't
Speaker 1: think he remembers this. Oh we can remember, saying I
Speaker 1: remember because because I remember it, we can't we can't
Speaker 1: talk about it. I guess I can. We can talk
Speaker 1: about anything. This is one of the most explicit sexual
Speaker 1: graphic podcasts out there. Has been heralded for it's for
Speaker 1: the way that it talks about gay sex. It really has.
Speaker 1: The podcast has received critical acclaim and many things that
Speaker 1: it changed is the way that gay men speak, like
Speaker 1: sex in the City. Women didn't talk before that show
Speaker 1: came out, and now gay men are talking to each
Speaker 1: other finally because of this podcast. It's just what Wikipedia says,
Speaker 1: it's I think you're actually inspiring. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I have my own things, so honey for for this episode,
Speaker 1: and it has to do with I love that for you,
Speaker 1: but I but I will bring it up during the
Speaker 1: stay tuned to the end of the ends. A good
Speaker 1: stick ability. You've been liking the words sticky lately. You've
Speaker 1: been saying that, You've been saying the movie sticky. I
Speaker 1: love that for you. It's sticky. It is sticky. Okay,
Speaker 1: we actually have to tell our guests about all of
Speaker 1: the the most perfect moments of praise that Matt has
Speaker 1: gotten from the wildest assortment of people. It is true,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about it, okay. So well, Yes, our
Speaker 1: guest has written for Inside av Schumer um fucking Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: I've ever heard of it, UM and it basically is
Speaker 1: the co creator with Vanessa Bayer and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just just the genius of all time of I
Speaker 1: love that for you, the show that I am so
Speaker 1: proud to be a part of UM and the finale
Speaker 1: as this week, everyone, please welcome into your goddamn ears
Speaker 1: one the only Jeremy fire O my mother I legitimately
Speaker 1: stars Brooke was getting to see from Spain fucking obnoxious. No,
Speaker 1: you can hear people like switching to another podcast that's
Speaker 1: this White Man Vacation and is the first thing that
Speaker 1: we I think that, well, the thing is, you're not
Speaker 1: the most exotic location that we've talked to some from
Speaker 1: Alan Cumming was in an Australian limestone cave. Yeah, oh fuck,
Speaker 1: that's not I have to listen to that one. He'll
Speaker 1: He'll always He'll, Alan Will always went up anyone like
Speaker 1: at any of us. Seems like a fancy, like a
Speaker 1: fancy person who's kind of gallivants gallavants, but like has
Speaker 1: a house to stay, like you know, like I think
Speaker 1: I think he seems very balanced to me in terms
Speaker 1: of his creature comforts, like he knows how to enjoy everything.
Speaker 1: I once, long ago was saw him in cabaret and
Speaker 1: had a mutual friend or something that brought us backstage
Speaker 1: into his dressing room. And he had like the classic
Speaker 1: like old Hollywood dressing room where there's like his own
Speaker 1: lamps and like a fridge full of drinks and just
Speaker 1: so much kitch and like handkerchiefs, and it was just
Speaker 1: it was really like fantastic. He feels like one of
Speaker 1: the people who like still do that kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: he has, and he is an international phenomenon and that
Speaker 1: is all true, but sort of, you know, getting drifting
Speaker 1: away from that. Do you remember matching with bone Yang
Speaker 1: on Tinder? It wasn't Tinder, Jeremy. When did we match?
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled. I was
Speaker 1: working a temp job in midtown. Uh, this is grinder.
Speaker 1: Chickasn't twelve? Oh wow yeah yeah, yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is a decade ago grinder. Yeah. I was really playing
Speaker 1: the numbers at that time. We all were. We still
Speaker 1: we still basically keo. I was like the old lady
Speaker 1: playing pino and how you and I one baby? Yes,
Speaker 1: a husband? Oh, my god, we met I r L.
Speaker 1: We met I r L. Yeah, we met at a
Speaker 1: dinner party that neither of us wanted. It was so
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you can't ask for anything better, you
Speaker 1: really can't. Well, it was it was tumultuous. It was
Speaker 1: like he was in a relationship I was. I was,
Speaker 1: as I said, playing the numbers and but I but
Speaker 1: we were like we just had like an immediate like
Speaker 1: thing like the moment. And but I was like, but
Speaker 1: that actually made me so sad because I had spent
Speaker 1: so much time just like kind of sleeping around and
Speaker 1: like hanging out. And I was like, Oh, here's a
Speaker 1: person who I actually like, really connect with intellectually, very
Speaker 1: attracted to, Like he's hilarious, beautiful, so all those things
Speaker 1: like the spark. And then I was like, oh, but
Speaker 1: of course he's taking I was like, of course that,
Speaker 1: like this person is not for me, and I'm not
Speaker 1: it's not like me to like I like, I didn't pursue.
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe we'll be friends or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then it was there was just sort of this undeniable
Speaker 1: connection and he ended up breaking it off with his
Speaker 1: other person and because of you, because of me. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's kind of iconic. How long it's it's what, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's it's complicated. You know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of quote what made that movie Nancy to quote
Speaker 1: Nancy Myers, it's complicated. That's actual culture number one. It's complicated.
Speaker 1: How long was the period of tumult or complication? Truly?
Speaker 1: So short. It's no notes, it's no notes, like you met,
Speaker 1: you had to meet at a dinner party that neither
Speaker 1: you wanted to be this it's so like, it's so
Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels like a Sally Rooney book
Speaker 1: or some ship like it sounds so nice. It was
Speaker 1: really it was really pretty magical. And then we um.
Speaker 1: You know, we had our moments that you know, we've
Speaker 1: been together some weeks. You know, it's work, baby, but
Speaker 1: it's right now he's like making a fire outside. Yeah
Speaker 1: it is, it's um and we right after we got together,
Speaker 1: he wrote a play that was going to be up
Speaker 1: in Williamstown and he was gonna be there for several months,
Speaker 1: and then I was gonna be in Tokyo with a
Speaker 1: couple of friends for like several weeks. So we didn't
Speaker 1: we like immediately connected, but then we were going to
Speaker 1: be in completely different places. And I drove before we
Speaker 1: had even like touched or done, and I drove up
Speaker 1: to Williamstown and we had our little, you know, magical
Speaker 1: weekend and then he came to Tokyo. I'm so hot
Speaker 1: for that. Wait, so you went up to Williamstown and
Speaker 1: you guys sucked it all up like for the week,
Speaker 1: every every every corner or of that rocks. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I want to have a fun weekend. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's been such a long time. I really like everyone's
Speaker 1: bad right now, but really, what but what are you?
Speaker 1: What are your what are your love lives? Like? What's
Speaker 1: going on? Can I ask man? Maybe are Web's going
Speaker 1: through something similar where we're being like I'm needing. I'm
Speaker 1: needing to release something, um and I think it'll be good.
Speaker 1: But I kind of like, for me, it's like I
Speaker 1: haven't done this in a long time. But I sort
Speaker 1: of let myself like emotionally run amuck on something and
Speaker 1: like it's just it's fine. I just had like a
Speaker 1: sort of situation summer situation last year that I thought
Speaker 1: maybe it would continue and is not going to, which
Speaker 1: is totally fine, um and for the best and we
Speaker 1: still love the person. But the thing is like it
Speaker 1: did give me that little taste of like, oh I
Speaker 1: really like someone, and like, I think I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how much I kind of want that. I've been kind
Speaker 1: of saying the thing of like, oh, I'm find not
Speaker 1: in a relationship, it's better for me to be single,
Speaker 1: you know, etcetera. I've been enjoying it, but then like
Speaker 1: there is those little things like I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: so much more of a It's like a grass is
Speaker 1: greener thing, right. It's like when you're in a relationship
Speaker 1: and it's it's great for a while, then you really
Speaker 1: want to be single. And now that I'm not in one,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling those little like nibbles again of like oh
Speaker 1: I forgot I'm someone that likes to be taken care
Speaker 1: of and like loved and like I I do have
Speaker 1: that unfortunate impulse to want someone to be obsessed with
Speaker 1: me and only me, and it's you know what I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well I don't know. I'm trying to stay I'm trying to, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because I can promise I
Speaker 1: I would love to be obsessed with someone else too,
Speaker 1: like I I do crave that thing of like, this
Speaker 1: is my person. We're obsessed with each other, and like
Speaker 1: for however long that's gonna last, is great, but you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, this summer I'm kind of interested in,
Speaker 1: like just kind of being a capital W whore, which
Speaker 1: probably will happen. Life is long, honey, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: your You just make sure that whoever it is deserves you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. But what you feeling, sim, I'm
Speaker 1: feeling sim And yeah, it's that thing where I really
Speaker 1: want to be infatuated with someone and that hasn't happened,
Speaker 1: and it's exciting and it feels good. I know, I know, um,
Speaker 1: but it has to I wonder what that is. People
Speaker 1: have written about it for ages and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we still don't know. And usually when people write about
Speaker 1: things for ages, there should be an answer by now.
Speaker 1: But feelings complicated A lot, They're complicated a lot. That's
Speaker 1: real culture number seven. Feelings They're complicated. That was the
Speaker 1: original title of Nancy You got. Even Nancy has the
Speaker 1: first draft, you know what I mean, Nancy doesn't the
Speaker 1: final draft to nail at every time. Nancy struggles, you know,
Speaker 1: Nancy is there. She's typing away, she's fucking she's drinking
Speaker 1: her you who's I don't know why I picture her
Speaker 1: drinking you. She definitely does. She flops a pillow. Sunlight
Speaker 1: streams into the room. No, no floods. The room is
Speaker 1: drowning in sunlight, and they're like, Nancy, they're not going
Speaker 1: to read the stage directions in the movie. It can
Speaker 1: be whatever it is, like, just work on the dialogue, mama.
Speaker 1: You know you guys, remember something's gotta give. Of course,
Speaker 1: where Diane Keenan is playing the player right, and like
Speaker 1: she makes writing. Look if if if there's some similarity
Speaker 1: between Erica Berry's, which is the character's names, there's a
Speaker 1: similarity between Erica's process and Nancy's process. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's something not quite right about that because it's her
Speaker 1: and her Hampton's house facing the window, typing and the
Speaker 1: writing is not good. It seems like I love my
Speaker 1: girl Nancy, but it seems like Erica Berry is not
Speaker 1: that good of a play right, like the movie the movie,
Speaker 1: playwriting is like not great to me? Or do you
Speaker 1: stand Nancy? I feel like you do, Jeremy, oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah. But but then you get in
Speaker 1: the movie like lines like fucking like, dude, do you
Speaker 1: know what this is? This is heartbreak haws that like,
Speaker 1: are you to me? It's a guilt to me, it's
Speaker 1: a guilty pleasure to me, it's it's scratching that it's
Speaker 1: that corner of the brain that's like I want to
Speaker 1: watch a movie, but also I want to flip through
Speaker 1: a magazine and it's like I guess to do both
Speaker 1: in the same like two hours, which like is yeah,
Speaker 1: which is genius, Like that's a genius genius And I
Speaker 1: can I just say not that people care about my
Speaker 1: process in any of this, but for Fire Island, like
Speaker 1: the thing that like anchored the whole performance was I
Speaker 1: was watching scenes from Something's Gotta Give, like the seat,
Speaker 1: like like in terms of like the heart playing the
Speaker 1: heartbreak of it, I was just like, okay, like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's Erica. It's like it's eton like realizing that
Speaker 1: like like like walking away from Jack Nicholson in the
Speaker 1: house being like, oh, she's sleep in separate beds, like
Speaker 1: that is such a good scene to me. Oh that
Speaker 1: is an amazing so like she's so likea like she's
Speaker 1: she's so oh my God, she's she's off the page.
Speaker 1: She's off the page. She is so good in that movie, honestly,
Speaker 1: and she didn't kind of stand a chance for the
Speaker 1: Oscar that year because that was Charlie Starron's big monster year.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like when Charlie Starren put on a
Speaker 1: different face and gained you know, fifteen twenty and like
Speaker 1: putting on like a mullet to like pretend she was
Speaker 1: a swamp monster serial killer and then never ever did
Speaker 1: that again. She's like kind of only hot now, but
Speaker 1: that was like the big year for her. But Diane Keaton,
Speaker 1: that's like talk about like like a movie that never
Speaker 1: would have been nominated for an Oscar until someone comes
Speaker 1: in and like destroys a hundred percent. She like took
Speaker 1: what was there, and oh my god, that's that's like
Speaker 1: one of the great scenes. And she's like for a
Speaker 1: millisecond she's crying and then she's not. It's like that
Speaker 1: kind of like Andy. She Nancy stays on her and
Speaker 1: and then sucking. Diane goes through the ten different micro
Speaker 1: expressions and then she goes, this was really wonderful name
Speaker 1: and then walks away. It's so good because honestly, honestly,
Speaker 1: that is how it feels like when when that is bittersweet,
Speaker 1: I mean you know what I mean, Like, oh God,
Speaker 1: I start crying. It's just that kind of thing of
Speaker 1: like it was it really was nice, but it's also
Speaker 1: wrong and you feel great, but you feel bad and
Speaker 1: you feel anxious, but you also know what it is
Speaker 1: and it's kind of just like you also feel like
Speaker 1: you played yourself, but also you're happy you did it
Speaker 1: because it's great to experience all the emotions and then
Speaker 1: you're like, I want to take it back, but also
Speaker 1: you never would, you know. It's just it's and and
Speaker 1: it's all coming across in that moment. And that's why
Speaker 1: I love romantic comedy so much. And that's why it's
Speaker 1: like like what like with Fire Island coming out, Like
Speaker 1: I keep playing this sometimes covered by Muna, and I
Speaker 1: keep just getting so emotional because I'm so happy and
Speaker 1: proud to be a part of a great rom com
Speaker 1: and like Bow and like the scene in the movie
Speaker 1: where you get that moment with James, like that to
Speaker 1: me is like what I love about movies. And that's
Speaker 1: why I love like, you know, it's it's just it's
Speaker 1: that I love Nancy Myers, I cannot wait to see
Speaker 1: Fire Island. I can't believe I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: And for the for the readers, you were giving just
Speaker 1: now into the zoom as you were describing, you were
Speaker 1: giving a performance right just now, like you were giving
Speaker 1: you well thanks. That was that was really Jeremy. I'm
Speaker 1: always sort of auditioning for you so you can see
Speaker 1: what I can do, so you put it into the show,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Can I toss you an
Speaker 1: adjustment always? Maybe what's okay? Both of you tell us
Speaker 1: what they seem like good writing? Tell me and the
Speaker 1: readers what the dynamic was Jeremy coming with an adjustment study,
Speaker 1: coming with an all like like what what what? What's
Speaker 1: what's all? My favorite thing ever? I mean, come on
Speaker 1: better alt, Oh my god, she's She's study. Actually was
Speaker 1: the one who came in and said, I mean, probably
Speaker 1: my favorite moment on the show that I get to
Speaker 1: do well that that that everyone by this time has
Speaker 1: seen if they're watching it is like the discourse is toxic,
Speaker 1: where when Darcy gets his bag finally and then he's
Speaker 1: posing in with it in the mirror and sort of
Speaker 1: rehearsing lines he's going to say to people when he
Speaker 1: when he can carry this bag and have like a
Speaker 1: serious conversation with people, and we're brainstorming things he could say,
Speaker 1: and Suddy came in and she said, just say the
Speaker 1: discourse is toxic. And I was like that, and I
Speaker 1: just pictured YouTube clowns in village just like cracking each
Speaker 1: other up, and it made me really happy. Oh, that
Speaker 1: was a hundred percent study. That was a full study invention.
Speaker 1: And also that scene the pairing to give you a
Speaker 1: sense of the dynamic Boe and like the Matt and
Speaker 1: study together, like collaborating, just like having a moment, having
Speaker 1: an idea, like putting it on screen like we did.
Speaker 1: That was its own thing. That was like a constant
Speaker 1: source of genius for the show. And it was like
Speaker 1: set up, knock them down. It was it's such a
Speaker 1: like flow that you guys have. It's so beautiful and
Speaker 1: so funny, and that scene is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: scenes in the show. And it's one of the only
Speaker 1: scenes in the entire show that when we saw the
Speaker 1: first cut of it that like usually is longer and
Speaker 1: like includes like everything that the editors loved. We didn't
Speaker 1: change that scene one frame We didn't change a frame
Speaker 1: of that scene. It was like, this all has to
Speaker 1: be there. It's perfect. That's Mad, that's Matt, Matt, and
Speaker 1: that's and that's the show. That's the show too. I
Speaker 1: gotta say, I just I feel like I come to
Speaker 1: a lot of viewing experiences when I watch a show
Speaker 1: or something as like Compulse three, as like its homework,
Speaker 1: and it never has felt that way once with what
Speaker 1: I Love That for You. For me, it's always been
Speaker 1: oh great, it's Friday when it's streams, or it's Sunday
Speaker 1: when it airs, like I get to watch, or there's
Speaker 1: an Actually I was in New York that night. It
Speaker 1: was like April seventeen, and the show was gonna secretly
Speaker 1: premier on linear Um like on Sunday night, like after
Speaker 1: the first Lady and I was with Blowing and Study
Speaker 1: and our friend Dave Mazzoni, and I was like, would
Speaker 1: you guys want to watch it? And that was the
Speaker 1: same night I was on watching It Happens Live. So
Speaker 1: we watched that, and then we watched I Love That
Speaker 1: for You, And I remember being a little nervous. Study
Speaker 1: and I were a little nervous because you know, we
Speaker 1: obviously care what they think. And I remember Bowen turned
Speaker 1: to me after the pilot and he was like, this
Speaker 1: was such a great pilot. This is exactly the kind
Speaker 1: of show I want to watch, and like it made
Speaker 1: me feel really good and confident, Like obviously I was
Speaker 1: always confident, but like, you know, all you want is
Speaker 1: for your smart, funny friends to think it's smart and funny.
Speaker 1: And then he did. So that's because of you, though, bitch,
Speaker 1: I mean you came up with the ship. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's because of you. It's because of a
Speaker 1: billion people. It's so much bigger than the sum of
Speaker 1: its parts. I also, I share that like feeling that
Speaker 1: like that you like it, Bowen is very meaningful to
Speaker 1: me because I feel like you are truly a taste maker,
Speaker 1: a genius everybody like I like that is very meaningful
Speaker 1: to me. That means a lot. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's just true. It's very honest. I mean that that
Speaker 1: that that that thing where that thing that I said
Speaker 1: to me is in terms of like being in this
Speaker 1: show that like is exactly kind of show I want
Speaker 1: to watch. Is like it was just the truth, and
Speaker 1: I I want to say that it's just such a
Speaker 1: it's just such a great vehicle for Vanessa. I know
Speaker 1: it's like her she's the best show, but it's like
Speaker 1: she hasn't like she's just such a good least for
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. She is such a such a
Speaker 1: fucking genius. And also like she's the type of person
Speaker 1: who when we wrote together at us and now like
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, writing for this person makes me
Speaker 1: a funnier writer, you know what I mean, Like when
Speaker 1: you hand when you handling something and it's just like
Speaker 1: they do like the of it that's like really making it.
Speaker 1: It just makes you take bigger swings. It makes you
Speaker 1: feel better. I'm just like, I'm just in love with
Speaker 1: She's one of the gift great gifts of my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really the the ensemble, Like you know, we had
Speaker 1: a good feeling about it, but watching the show and
Speaker 1: this is something. So the finale is this this weekend, everybody,
Speaker 1: and I honestly have thoughts since the beginning that it
Speaker 1: would make a really great bin. So if you have
Speaker 1: not yet done it, you can get the showtime trial
Speaker 1: and you know you can knock it all out and
Speaker 1: then watch the finale. And I honestly think all eight
Speaker 1: episodes are gonna feel very cohesive and good together because
Speaker 1: the arcs are going to be really fun to see
Speaker 1: play out in that short little burst. And I'm just
Speaker 1: excited for people to um to see it because the
Speaker 1: journeys for all the characters are really really clear, especially
Speaker 1: I think with Molly. I think I think for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, episode two, episode like, watching it
Speaker 1: week to week is one thing, and then I think
Speaker 1: watching it all together like what's really great to me?
Speaker 1: And there's so many great things. But something I wanted
Speaker 1: to compliment you on that I've noticed and Molly as well,
Speaker 1: is that there's stuff in the pilot about Molly's character
Speaker 1: and even the second episode that you think, oh, that's
Speaker 1: just a Molly Shannon quirk that ends up like really
Speaker 1: paying off in a huge character way and in a
Speaker 1: writing way by the end. And I honestly think, having
Speaker 1: seen like episodes six and seven and now eight, like
Speaker 1: it really the seeds are there from the beginning in
Speaker 1: a way that's like really really cool. So this to
Speaker 1: me is like, I think, going to really be a
Speaker 1: good binge. I agree with you that like the show
Speaker 1: is actually pretty serialized if you watched watching it all together.
Speaker 1: I think it would be a nice experience. Absolutely that
Speaker 1: that is a credit to our incredible writers, Like truly,
Speaker 1: our writer's room is just fucking geniuses. They're so Albert,
Speaker 1: Tina Rizzo, She's still Jenkin, Zora be Congaga, Study Greeny,
Speaker 1: Ali Nda Good, Jesse Klein. Maybe I mean one of
Speaker 1: the best. I wanted to ask you though, So something
Speaker 1: I get asked a lot about the show is um
Speaker 1: because because you are the gay co creator of the show,
Speaker 1: and I'm the gay role on the show, openly gay,
Speaker 1: and we're both openly gay men, and we should say
Speaker 1: that um openly gay. And so what I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you was something I get asked all the time
Speaker 1: is like, well, how did you navigate this not being
Speaker 1: like just the sassy gay assistant, or how did you
Speaker 1: navigate like this not being like so? And I even
Speaker 1: get told sometimes like you really elevate this apart from
Speaker 1: just being the assistant just the assist And what I
Speaker 1: loved about it from the very beginning was that like
Speaker 1: he seemed to be aware of that trope and wanted
Speaker 1: to remind everyone, actually, no, you take me seriously and
Speaker 1: then immediately gets treated by Jennifer as the assistant, and
Speaker 1: then we see that navigation and that rub in, that
Speaker 1: push and pull. But I would imagine that, like as
Speaker 1: the creator of this show and as a gay man
Speaker 1: and as a gay person like in entertainment like that
Speaker 1: that role probably did give you an opportunity to push
Speaker 1: that forward. So I just wanted to ask you about,
Speaker 1: like what went into like creating the gay character on
Speaker 1: the show. I'm I feel so lucky to play it
Speaker 1: because it's so dynamic, but like I wanted to ask about,
Speaker 1: like how how you approached it. You know, I think
Speaker 1: we we when we wrote the pilot, we just Vanessa
Speaker 1: and I love this idea of somebody who was like
Speaker 1: struggling for power and just didn't get it and was
Speaker 1: kind of walked all over. And I think, like the
Speaker 1: gay of it all, like I don't know that I
Speaker 1: like thought too much about it, And I think maybe
Speaker 1: that's that's sort of an example of like maybe we
Speaker 1: stepped into a trope that we didn't really realize that
Speaker 1: we like should have been a little more aware of.
Speaker 1: But but I do feel like from that that I'm
Speaker 1: talking about like the early stages of it, but like
Speaker 1: from there, it's like once we knew that it was
Speaker 1: you and that it would be so much more and
Speaker 1: that you're just so funny with any scenario that like I,
Speaker 1: I personally don't look at it as like he's the
Speaker 1: day one. He's the day assistant, like even though you
Speaker 1: know I can see that, Like I've also got my
Speaker 1: question too, So I think that is part of what
Speaker 1: we've made in the show. But I just didn't. I
Speaker 1: just didn't think about it that way. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's I do. I feel such
Speaker 1: attachment to Darcy, especially after you know on the page
Speaker 1: I felt it, and then times and millions after seeing
Speaker 1: you play him, And we have so many ideas for him,
Speaker 1: so many backstories and so many things that we just
Speaker 1: even for real estate's sake, like I didn't get to
Speaker 1: didn't get to show, or had to cut for money,
Speaker 1: like we have this this study. Ever tell you about
Speaker 1: this scene that we cut for Darcy where he goes
Speaker 1: and visits his cousins. Oh my god, so we had
Speaker 1: we couldn't afford it, but so where there was this
Speaker 1: scene where Darcy goes to like, hey, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember the details, but he goes to like his cousin's
Speaker 1: birthday party or something and it's or his cousin's kid.
Speaker 1: It's a nine year old birthday party and it's at
Speaker 1: like ten pm in like a dirt filled backyard and
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I know exactly. It was like everything
Speaker 1: has to be, everything has to be in these four
Speaker 1: walls with literally but so and then Darcy like shows
Speaker 1: up in um, you know, wearing his like loafers and
Speaker 1: like just and we get this sense of like him
Speaker 1: with his family, like just very out of place. And
Speaker 1: it's like and then I think originally that was when
Speaker 1: he bought the bag because he was like minded that
Speaker 1: he comes from trash in his mind, he's embarrassed about
Speaker 1: his art. Perfect yeah, perfect genius, great writing, amazing. Is
Speaker 1: there a tony left for me? I'm gonna make a call.
Speaker 1: I think this is the thing, Like, I think people
Speaker 1: are so easily like programmed with a quote unquote stereotype
Speaker 1: or a trope that like they think examining it or
Speaker 1: like popping the hood open on a character level for
Speaker 1: any like one instance of that trope is like something
Speaker 1: that they can write off, but it makes it so
Speaker 1: worth I mean, it's why legally blonde is great is
Speaker 1: because it's like taking this like stereotypical dumb blonde person
Speaker 1: but actually like excavating like what she is like as
Speaker 1: a human being. I think you guys are doing that
Speaker 1: with this tripe of what a gay man on TV
Speaker 1: as a character usually is quote unquote, and yet like
Speaker 1: of course you're gonna like like fill out all these
Speaker 1: different contours in like his life, you know, like like
Speaker 1: hearing that like cousin back story is like makes perfect
Speaker 1: sense to me, and like I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: see that. I don't know. Yeah, And I also think
Speaker 1: like it's in there enough in the subtext where it's
Speaker 1: like that's sort of I understand him now. And I
Speaker 1: remember in the very beginning, like because I had only
Speaker 1: seen really the pilot, I was and I maybe it's
Speaker 1: my own like not trauma, but like experience with like
Speaker 1: you know, playing roles like this, because I actually have
Speaker 1: played assistance quite a lot. I would have you, I
Speaker 1: would imagine that we've all done an assistant. I have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's because it's just what we're given so many times.
Speaker 1: And so I think, like I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: really wonder where it's gonna go. And then when it
Speaker 1: became what it was, and like that there was actual
Speaker 1: like emotional stuff to go through and that yes, it
Speaker 1: was about this bag, but really it's more about like
Speaker 1: he wants so badly to be taken seriously and to
Speaker 1: be to prove to himself that he's more than just
Speaker 1: someone who's secondary. Like to me, that's that's like really
Speaker 1: rich stuff. And I think that, you know, by the end,
Speaker 1: like what I love about it is he's in such
Speaker 1: a different place than he is in the beginning, and
Speaker 1: so honestly, like it feels weird, but and it's like
Speaker 1: this was Fire Island too. But before this, I had
Speaker 1: never ever, ever even gotten an opportunity to play a
Speaker 1: character with an arc at all. Like the only thing
Speaker 1: I had ever done was just like come in and
Speaker 1: like say a joke or whatever, which is fun and fine,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, I think that it's like you
Speaker 1: work for so many years to get like to get
Speaker 1: this opportunity and then for it to be so good,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I remember towards the end, like
Speaker 1: when I was getting the scripts and just hearing everyone
Speaker 1: screaming their trailers about how good they all were. I think,
Speaker 1: to me it was just exciting for it to be
Speaker 1: surprising and for it to be layered because I think
Speaker 1: as like a gay actor, like and as a gay
Speaker 1: even as a gay writer and gay creator who's like
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to write these types of things for myself,
Speaker 1: like because you're experiencing so many times like a limited
Speaker 1: um amount of things to do, like you just don't
Speaker 1: imagine yourself doing them. And so then there I was,
Speaker 1: like in episode seven, like playing that scene with Perry
Speaker 1: where it goes a certain way and it's just exciting
Speaker 1: for me. And so I guess, like I'm just so
Speaker 1: grateful to you and thankful to you for caring so
Speaker 1: much about the character and like you know, making it
Speaker 1: something that's so fun to play and so funny, but
Speaker 1: also to be honest with you real because I get it.
Speaker 1: I understand someone that takes themselves very seriously and like
Speaker 1: works very hard or not even that they take themselves seriously,
Speaker 1: is very hard on themselves, and like I think that
Speaker 1: in doing it, like I was hard on myself, and
Speaker 1: so now to watch it and be so proud of
Speaker 1: it is it's I just I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 1: And like I don't know from the very beginning when
Speaker 1: I first came in for the audition, I felt really
Speaker 1: good about it. It's been such a good experience and
Speaker 1: so I really man, I can't thank you. And truly
Speaker 1: and also when you walked into that audition, it was
Speaker 1: like there was the role belong to absolutely, it was
Speaker 1: just not it was not even a question. It was
Speaker 1: just not a question. And so you like, but you
Speaker 1: also like brought that the acting like you brought like
Speaker 1: you like are delivering the moments in this show, like
Speaker 1: it's not just funny, it's more, which is exactly what
Speaker 1: we needed and wanted. And like the fact that you
Speaker 1: can do that, it's just I can't wait all that day.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for like more, a lot more if
Speaker 1: we get it well. And I don't know, Bowen, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you feel like this, but it's like
Speaker 1: maybe Jeremy to like I don't know, just coming like
Speaker 1: being true clowns in the beginning of all this, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like coming from like truly doing comedy,
Speaker 1: like being clowns, like getting writing jobs, like doing what
Speaker 1: you need to do. Yeah, all right, and then but
Speaker 1: then like but like truly like and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you get an opportunity like this and Bowen,
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's like this for you as well.
Speaker 1: It's like you don't know that you can do it totally,
Speaker 1: like like all the stuff that they throw at you
Speaker 1: for that, Like we and sometimes I'd read scripts and
Speaker 1: it will be like Darcy is hysterically crying and weeping
Speaker 1: over this, or like this happens. It's like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but like and then but then you read it and
Speaker 1: then there's a part and get the drop out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well literally, like there's tips and tricks. But like a
Speaker 1: lot of times, like you as a performer and as
Speaker 1: an actor, like when you get those scripts and like
Speaker 1: bow and I'm sure this is true for you to
Speaker 1: like you read it and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. But am I capable of this? Like
Speaker 1: it really is a thing that you go through right
Speaker 1: like I do. But but Jeremy um on set, like
Speaker 1: it wasn't in the script that you were hysterically crying,
Speaker 1: but the Jeremy would come in with an adjustment and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, can you do anything that we wrote
Speaker 1: and do something a little different than we didn't came
Speaker 1: up with. I love an adjustment and in theory. I
Speaker 1: love an adjustment because that's what the job is and
Speaker 1: it makes it makes I've started to get less in
Speaker 1: my head about it, like especially at SNL, where it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they're not doing this. No, they're not coming in with
Speaker 1: an adjustment because you're doing a bad job. They're coming
Speaker 1: in because they want to make it work, and like
Speaker 1: that's that's all it is, you know. Anyway, the Darcy
Speaker 1: storyline with the bag, I didn't realize how much I
Speaker 1: related to that until until like this past episode, until
Speaker 1: when I was seven were Jeremy, I, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: can relate to this like any anyone's first season at SNL,
Speaker 1: and any job is very hard and you feel like
Speaker 1: you are powerless and worthless and not valued. And so
Speaker 1: what you you get it you get a decent paycheck
Speaker 1: for the first time maybe in your life. And so
Speaker 1: what do you do. You buy a nice thing for
Speaker 1: yourself to make you It's it's the retail therapy thing
Speaker 1: of like making yourself feel better. And that is a
Speaker 1: very human thing that anyone would do in that situation. Um,
Speaker 1: no matter if they were like the gayestest, anybody would
Speaker 1: like try to I don't know, um just just just
Speaker 1: just just make just just make comfort themselves with that.
Speaker 1: It's a version of self soothing. Yeah, it's totally Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and it's almost like what the whole show is
Speaker 1: about in some way to like for that, for that
Speaker 1: which and I participate in it very much, so like
Speaker 1: and adjacent does to that. We're like in an examined way,
Speaker 1: But what do I say, but like but just that
Speaker 1: that like when you open a box and it's like
Speaker 1: your thing that you bought your like for that one moment,
Speaker 1: you will never die, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: sort of like yeah, and then you just send it
Speaker 1: to the send it to the island in the middle
Speaker 1: of the Pacificae. It's it's a show about coping as
Speaker 1: a means of survival. Like that's like what is so
Speaker 1: brilliant about it, I think and literally like in terms
Speaker 1: of like Johanna and Patricia, like surviving um Joanna and
Speaker 1: this new place of work, Patricia in terms of like
Speaker 1: her diagnosis, Darcy in terms of like being treated like
Speaker 1: garbage at his job, and like just trying to make
Speaker 1: it through, trying to make it through this like Martha's
Speaker 1: vineyard trip, Like it's just it's all. I think the
Speaker 1: allegories are all and it's not an allegory, but I
Speaker 1: think all the like representative narratives are there in terms
Speaker 1: of like all it all feeding into this one concept.
Speaker 1: That's my take on it. At least. What's the craziest
Speaker 1: thing you bought during Okay, I was gonna ask you this. Okay,
Speaker 1: the craziest thing I bought? And Study actually encouraged me
Speaker 1: because Sudi knew that I was like struggling. She was like,
Speaker 1: you should buy something. You should go to SAX and
Speaker 1: buy something nice for yourself. And Gary Richards into um
Speaker 1: They're about like go to Sax and buy something nice
Speaker 1: for yourself. So it was and Studio was like, you
Speaker 1: should buy a pair of shoes so that when you
Speaker 1: walk around, people go, oh, there's there Goes Bone with
Speaker 1: his nice shoes, you know, like it's a way for
Speaker 1: people to index you or whatever. And so I bought
Speaker 1: like just the most basic like Gucci sneakers. But at
Speaker 1: the time that was like the nicest thing I'd ever
Speaker 1: bought for myself. But that's, yeah, that's really nice about you.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think I bought anything like
Speaker 1: I think I blew it on like travel, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you're breaks, like I just like busted out. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: the Yeah, well no, and then I would just blow
Speaker 1: it up like on food. I'm like, um, like just
Speaker 1: so that I didn't have because you don't have energy
Speaker 1: to cook anything, and you're like you want something like
Speaker 1: you just want like thirty shrimp for no reason, just
Speaker 1: to like try and feel better. And yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is what makes Jeremy like a great like a
Speaker 1: great creative person. Is that, um he spends money on
Speaker 1: experiences and not like objects. That's it. I wish I
Speaker 1: was like that's how he will eventually go down. What
Speaker 1: do you mean, Darcy, No, no, no, Jeremy just like
Speaker 1: like irresponsible, like like travel, it's not irresponsible. It's like,
Speaker 1: can I tell you all I want right now is
Speaker 1: to go somewhere far away because they haven't done that
Speaker 1: in like three years, and I was going and I
Speaker 1: just I'm reaching out to Brendan Skinnell's boyfriend Joe today
Speaker 1: because he's a travel agent and I'm gonna be like,
Speaker 1: can you help me plan this trip? Because Junior, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go to London and in Mayorka, Spain. So yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe Amsterdam because Michelle Collins is there. I'm gonna I
Speaker 1: was talking Michelle Collins today. She's just in Amsterdam now
Speaker 1: she has to come back on anyway, I'm going to
Speaker 1: Amsterdam on Friday. Damn it for how long? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? For? Like five days? We're seeing like just
Speaker 1: a close friend of ours there and then okay, like
Speaker 1: my blabsolute blunt is it? It's sout less fun now
Speaker 1: that I remember. When I went there, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna smoke so much. We like, yes,
Speaker 1: like I don't all the time anyway, And then I
Speaker 1: went there years ago and it was like I got
Speaker 1: way too fucking high so quick, and like me at
Speaker 1: Henry and his brother Sam, We're supposed to go to
Speaker 1: the Anne Frank House. And so we arrived so stoned
Speaker 1: at the Andrank House and we were like shaking, like
Speaker 1: too emotional to go. We're like it makes me so anxious,
Speaker 1: like you can't go, you can't be so high, and
Speaker 1: then go to the Frank House, You're gonna die. But
Speaker 1: that I would have a panic attack in there, for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the experience that millions upon millions of
Speaker 1: people have had. Yes, I know it's just shaking. That
Speaker 1: was such an anxious trip to I would have been
Speaker 1: absolutely out of my mind. But no, I mean it's
Speaker 1: also the Amsterdam also like such great food, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're gonna have the best writing. And Frank,
Speaker 1: I mean amazing authors, amazing authoress. She really tore um.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with tour and tearror, like I think it's
Speaker 1: so funny, so stupid. I think it's time to ask Jeremy.
Speaker 1: I think we have to ask the question, Jeremy. The question,
Speaker 1: the central question of this show, Last Cultures. What was
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture? It was for me,
Speaker 1: this is a cultural moment in your life in terms
Speaker 1: of movies, television, theater, Tony's music, something in your immediate
Speaker 1: cultural experience that made you become Jeremy Biler. What was that?
Speaker 1: I think for me it was the movie Titanic. I
Speaker 1: think it's the nineties. I'm like fifteen years old and
Speaker 1: like the idea that like that my personal boyfriend Leonard
Speaker 1: DiCaprio would be in a movie that's like about I
Speaker 1: feel like I've always kind of also been just like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a like forty five year old
Speaker 1: dad who likes history and like, so the idea that
Speaker 1: like this is t wait a minute, this is like
Speaker 1: a bygone era of like glamour and a tale of
Speaker 1: like high class, low class upstairs downstairs, and it's on
Speaker 1: this wreck, like this ship sang. It is so personal
Speaker 1: to me and it felt like that was my Like
Speaker 1: I had a personal relationship with Leo DiCaprio. But the
Speaker 1: idea that that was like so so popular and so
Speaker 1: big and so everywhere it was. It's actually like it
Speaker 1: was like almost confusing to me that like this thing
Speaker 1: that feels like mine is everybody's. And I had like
Speaker 1: the double the double VHS. It's like has like it's
Speaker 1: like holding like the weight of a Bible, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like I remember the ca Sto drop of the
Speaker 1: of the w VHS and just shelves and shelves of
Speaker 1: Titanic and everyone just like snatching these fucking cassettes. It's
Speaker 1: so that was such a moment, like the yeah, the
Speaker 1: release of it all, like the imagine what doing press
Speaker 1: for that was like Jesus Christ, probably two straight years
Speaker 1: of NonStop Titanic press. That that that like Leo and
Speaker 1: Kate and James Cameron were doing like and the whole
Speaker 1: cast basic yeah, and they were. They were international, Like
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what that experience was like, what
Speaker 1: that journey was like, to the point where like I
Speaker 1: almost feel like I completely understand both of them, like
Speaker 1: afterwards not being like I'm going to do the next
Speaker 1: huge thing, like basically they offered Kate Winslet Shakespeare in
Speaker 1: Love on a platter, and she was like, no, I
Speaker 1: am not doing it, Like I am not doing another
Speaker 1: big thing, even if it's like a slam dunk oscar Win,
Speaker 1: even if I'm right for it, or even I would
Speaker 1: even want to do it, I'm not. And Leo too
Speaker 1: did like that weird movie The Beach instead of like
Speaker 1: probably anything else, like well, both of them are real actors,
Speaker 1: are like thought that they could be. And so they
Speaker 1: were like, let me not continue this grand journey because everything,
Speaker 1: like you just said, everything about it was so grand,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was, it was. It was strangely
Speaker 1: meaningful to me. Can you like go one concentric circle
Speaker 1: in and can you pinpoint it to Leo specifically or
Speaker 1: does Leo have to go with Titanic? Yeah, what's the
Speaker 1: sense memory you get from talking about it, like what
Speaker 1: do you smell? It's like a little bit it's for
Speaker 1: sure a little bit sexual, whatever the sense for. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like a little bit like Okay, this, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a feeling I want more of. I am
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet this is happening to me. I will like
Speaker 1: I will run down to the lower decks and like
Speaker 1: swim through the water and like chop off the like
Speaker 1: the handcuffs with like and I am stunning and I
Speaker 1: will survive. But don't you think that like when when
Speaker 1: when Rose was kissing and licking Jack's fingers in the car,
Speaker 1: that you were kissing and licking Jack's fingers in the
Speaker 1: car and he could smell the sweat after the handprint,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was, yeah, I was in that
Speaker 1: old car and you could kind of hear the creaking
Speaker 1: of the ship and then I but I also feel
Speaker 1: like I don't know if it's the one thing that
Speaker 1: I can pinpoint because there's also and this is almost
Speaker 1: sexual too, there's also like I'm really into like machinery
Speaker 1: and like big things and also like things in history,
Speaker 1: like I truly am and like mostation and so like
Speaker 1: I not only was obsessed with the Titanic movie. I
Speaker 1: also had this CD ROM like first person video game
Speaker 1: like on my power map that was like going through
Speaker 1: the Titanic, So I also knew like the map of
Speaker 1: the Titanic and the floors and just something about like
Speaker 1: the machine and it was like it was like I
Speaker 1: had an orgasm with Leo and then like double when
Speaker 1: it's like when the captains like engage these engines, it's
Speaker 1: like that that whole thing. I don't know why. It's
Speaker 1: the it's the perfect convergence of all your interests, which
Speaker 1: is Leo, history, machinery, glamour, glamour. Titanic was the container
Speaker 1: for too many amazing things that people love and nothing
Speaker 1: will be bigger than it in the Cure and there
Speaker 1: will never be a greater director than the great James Cameron,
Speaker 1: and the fact that the fact that his his like
Speaker 1: most iconic follow up to Titanic is something that had
Speaker 1: to they had to invent new technology for and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be seven of and it's like just as long
Speaker 1: and just as crazy and just as like going for
Speaker 1: it in terms of emotion, even though we can all
Speaker 1: agree like like no one will care, No one will care,
Speaker 1: as much, but like we will be They're like I'll
Speaker 1: buy a ticket to Avatar or nine for sure. But
Speaker 1: it's just like that the only thing that could top
Speaker 1: Titanic is to like literally leave this world and go
Speaker 1: to another one and create like another thing, because this
Speaker 1: was maximalism. The house down it was because you talk
Speaker 1: about like it got little kids or teens at the
Speaker 1: time to literally learn just the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 1: how this thing sank. I remember having a and splicit
Speaker 1: understanding of what happened when the iceberg scraped the side,
Speaker 1: how the water filled all those containers, how why they
Speaker 1: were on and it could only cover five watertight doors
Speaker 1: but not the six. Yes, and it goes over the
Speaker 1: six then she'll break in half, yes, which she did,
Speaker 1: which she did, which she did. And also the the
Speaker 1: I remember like reading up on the decision making that
Speaker 1: was like essentially those life boats were really just for show.
Speaker 1: There were not enough, like they never stood a chance,
Speaker 1: and like the the like ego centrism of like you know,
Speaker 1: what was it um John Jacob astar Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and like all of that, Like I just knowing these
Speaker 1: names and like researching the characters in terms of who
Speaker 1: they were based on and can get in contrast of
Speaker 1: how they were portrayed, etcetera. The Victor Garber of it all.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just so you you couldn't read
Speaker 1: or know enough about. And I feel like it was
Speaker 1: also so smart because it was like it existed in
Speaker 1: that space of like this is an awful tragedy where
Speaker 1: you can watch people like screaming and like praying for
Speaker 1: their lives and like fully hurt die, but like far
Speaker 1: enough away and far enough gone that it's like entertaining
Speaker 1: or something, or like there's something like it's somehow can
Speaker 1: be also entertaining and you can like eat popcorn during it.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Just the Titanic, guess the only trash that
Speaker 1: lives in that's the thing. But at the time there
Speaker 1: were fully survivors, Like there's no longer any survivors now,
Speaker 1: like they're all gone, but at the time of the release,
Speaker 1: like people that had been on that trip were alive,
Speaker 1: but they but they saw the movie as Wow, like
Speaker 1: what an incredible thing that like and we can speak
Speaker 1: to this experience. I feel like that was no one
Speaker 1: spoke out against it, right, I don't know, I wondered,
Speaker 1: because remember this is a time when the media was
Speaker 1: much more controlled by but by what they wanted the
Speaker 1: narrative to be. So I don't know that everyone felt
Speaker 1: like that. I would actually be hard pressed to believe
Speaker 1: that every single person that was on that ship was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what a commemoration and not an honor. What an honor
Speaker 1: to have Leo do that by Jeremy's right though, because
Speaker 1: I mean not to bring this up, but like, there
Speaker 1: were a few people who like sent me messages after
Speaker 1: I did the Iceberg on update. They were like, that's
Speaker 1: that's how Jesus And I'm like, okay, a ship and
Speaker 1: and but I like, I was just like, I think
Speaker 1: I think with that like that, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just like we we all ate popcorn
Speaker 1: and like jerked off to a movie about this, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I think there's been enough distance from it now,
Speaker 1: and if there is such a thing, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just there's not. There's not. I mean, tragedy is
Speaker 1: always tray tragedy, and it's a mystery to me. I
Speaker 1: don't mean to interrupt you, sorry, I just no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I don't I was throwing it over to you. I'm
Speaker 1: like right like like like like this is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think so I think just I don't have the answer,
Speaker 1: but just somehow Titanic, somehow, just that one thing is
Speaker 1: like in the pop like people are so fascinated with
Speaker 1: it and it becomes this thing that's like there's probably
Speaker 1: like a ride at Disney that's like Titanic. It's like
Speaker 1: in that kind of space, you know, totally totally um
Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I just know that it is.
Speaker 1: I just I also think something that is so important
Speaker 1: that we have to say is it is such an
Speaker 1: important choice to have her hair be read It is
Speaker 1: such an important shade of hair color because it is
Speaker 1: she I think she's the only person on that ship
Speaker 1: besides her mother who has that color hair, right, like
Speaker 1: like she is the beauty of the ship. She's she's
Speaker 1: literally her name is literally Rose and she's got red hair.
Speaker 1: Like even that is just so funny. Like I find
Speaker 1: it incredibly genius. And the script is the mind of
Speaker 1: James call Yeah, but that's another thing too, is like
Speaker 1: you almost have to hand it to the script, like
Speaker 1: because we all watch it and we're like l O L.
Speaker 1: This script is so bad, like like the fact that
Speaker 1: she's going to be the one that's like, yes, I
Speaker 1: noticed that there are enough lifeboats nor singable. But that
Speaker 1: is how you speak to everyone by dumbing it down
Speaker 1: so much. It's like everyone's gonna get this. It's Star
Speaker 1: Cruss lovers. He's poor, she's read. They fall in love,
Speaker 1: they find each other, they finally vocalize it. The ship
Speaker 1: sinks and it's a tragedy and it's it's it's based
Speaker 1: in reality. It's like and there's a big song, you know.
Speaker 1: And the arc is the arc is the first time
Speaker 1: you see her, she's in a big fucking hat yep,
Speaker 1: coming out of a car. And then the last time
Speaker 1: you see her, she's in rags, you know, on the
Speaker 1: s s on the Carpathia looking at the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the arc. That is the ark for you, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And she's so miserable, you know, she's just got everything
Speaker 1: but nothing at the beginning. And you have like the
Speaker 1: great Bill Paxton scenes where like he he occupies such
Speaker 1: a special place in movies where he's always like walking
Speaker 1: next to a truck explaining something like how it works, right,
Speaker 1: I'm just really you buy it rest in peace because
Speaker 1: he's in another one of my favorite maximalist movies of
Speaker 1: the night you twist, twister, twist, I mean, and never
Speaker 1: forget how how one Hunt relates this, because I remember
Speaker 1: being a little fag watching the Oscars that year and
Speaker 1: thinking it's a Titanic is gonna win all the Academy Awards.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Kate winsle to win her Oscar
Speaker 1: for her portrayal of Rose. And then Helen Hunt walked
Speaker 1: up there a TV star and takes the Oscar for
Speaker 1: as good as it gets, which probably, looking back, is
Speaker 1: the performance of the year. I probably, but I remember
Speaker 1: being so pissed off that that happened to Kate because
Speaker 1: I had attached her. Yeah, where we're not? Were we
Speaker 1: not devastated that Leo did notch it up to the
Speaker 1: Oscars that year, not nominated, not even nominated. It was
Speaker 1: a controversy. It was like really the beginning of the
Speaker 1: end for him and he he of course, he of
Speaker 1: course was a prior nominee for his um you know,
Speaker 1: portrayal of someone with with with mentally handy. He remember
Speaker 1: that this this is also and I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use the word and it's just because this is what
Speaker 1: everyone was at the time. Literally, people in the nineties
Speaker 1: would just be like and Leonardo DiCaprio's incredibly brave performance
Speaker 1: as a retarded child, like just they just the word
Speaker 1: retarded was being thrown out around so much, Like, so,
Speaker 1: you played a retarded kid in the movie, and you
Speaker 1: were so good as being retarded. So can you talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about how you've studied to be retarded?
Speaker 1: He was like, well, when I've tried to be retarded,
Speaker 1: it was just like it was just so funny and
Speaker 1: you would never do it now, and it's such a
Speaker 1: relic of the past. It's but the fact that he
Speaker 1: he clearly wanted it so bad, you know, for his
Speaker 1: entire life he has wanted going all the way back
Speaker 1: to his true youth, when he did truly something that
Speaker 1: you would never do now, which is the most oscar
Speaker 1: bait thing in Gilbert Grape to like play a mentally
Speaker 1: handicapped person, which we allowed and allowed and allowed, and
Speaker 1: it never stopped until he finally got his oscar. Like
Speaker 1: the lengths he would go to get one, so of
Speaker 1: course he didn't show him this. This is obviously always
Speaker 1: been so paramount to him. I never put that together. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's wanted it so bad for soul. Really I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. I think you're right. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: I think we can print that. Yeah, it's printed. It's
Speaker 1: actually real culture number seventeen. Leonardo. He's wanted, said, um,
Speaker 1: I think I could spend hours talking my Titanic truly.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's also so many iconic scenes that are
Speaker 1: only iconic to gay people, such as the scene where
Speaker 1: um Rose's mother puts her in the corset. Ah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know the line, wait when gone? Our
Speaker 1: choices are never easy gone? Of course I know, of course,
Speaker 1: I know they's gone. You want me to go back
Speaker 1: to being a seamstress stress? This is the most iconic couplet.
Speaker 1: You would see me working, You would see me working here.
Speaker 1: It is Why are you being so selfish? Selfish? Amazing?
Speaker 1: The whole scene is absolutely epic. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just I can't. And Francis Fisher is her name
Speaker 1: of the mother and she never got the credit, never
Speaker 1: got the credit, and she was an amazing episode of
Speaker 1: Grace Now and during season two amazing episodes of Graz
Speaker 1: season two. Who was She? Who was she? In Gras
Speaker 1: and season two? Remember remember there was a story at
Speaker 1: the end of the season where a family of like
Speaker 1: Hillbillies got hit by a truck and um, you know,
Speaker 1: the pregnant mother was dying and they had to save
Speaker 1: the baby. And but Francis was so good at it.
Speaker 1: That is that is a performance that that she says
Speaker 1: it lost to the winds. She just lost to the winds.
Speaker 1: I mean, she can't bring it in Titanic. She she
Speaker 1: did to the evil like she served the fucking story. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say Billy Zane, like, abe, what Jeremy,
Speaker 1: what's your Billy Zane moment? I for something? I like
Speaker 1: when he was on in the movie, I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm looking back, like next next you were not. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I was not. I was not. I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I didn't both didn't like the character.
Speaker 1: But then I also something was like I don't want
Speaker 1: to watch this man. I don't know why because he
Speaker 1: wasn't because he was he was, thank you. That's exactly
Speaker 1: probably right. He also slaps her, yes, and people forget
Speaker 1: that he slaps her across the face and screams in
Speaker 1: her face, flips the table, flips the table a tray
Speaker 1: or something, and it pretends to get out. Yeah, oh god,
Speaker 1: that's right. Terrible guy. Also at the end, at the end,
Speaker 1: the stock market crash and he put a he put
Speaker 1: a bullet in his mouth. He put a pistol in
Speaker 1: his mouth, like you find out of that. And also
Speaker 1: like her performance the Old Woman's performance George and Academy
Speaker 1: Award nominee for sitting in a chair and being like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Niconic Titanic even at one point I think it was
Speaker 1: that as now I don't remember. We never wrote it,
Speaker 1: but it was we had a sketch idea for you know,
Speaker 1: like the the like the court to string quartet keeps
Speaker 1: playing as like as the bow goes down. It was
Speaker 1: like that on the Titanic, and it's thinking that happens,
Speaker 1: and then he pan over and there's like an improv
Speaker 1: troup that's going to keep doing take a suggestion there
Speaker 1: is so like I'm not actually not surprised, Like it's
Speaker 1: funny that Bowen's iceberg thing popped off so much on SNL.
Speaker 1: I also was doing a Titanic themed bit for years,
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually still in my stand up every
Speaker 1: now and then. I feel a little self conscious doing
Speaker 1: it now because I feel like people are going to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, here he is doing a good
Speaker 1: Titanic thing, even after Boonen did the Iceberg, but I
Speaker 1: hadn't doing this. I will say about the Iceberg, there's
Speaker 1: no way. It wasn't. Not that there's no way, but
Speaker 1: it's like it popped off because it's Titanic, because of course,
Speaker 1: obsessed because of you, because of what you mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's fucking Genia. There is something about being a gay
Speaker 1: person who like is obsessed with this like that you
Speaker 1: can't help but think of like sketch situations around it.
Speaker 1: Like I remember I had written a bunch of Titanic
Speaker 1: team sketches in college when I was in Hammercats with Sudi,
Speaker 1: And then in my stand up, I do like like
Speaker 1: a gay guy who was like convinced to go to
Speaker 1: on the Titanic with his like gay friends for their
Speaker 1: cruise trap and he wanted so badly to be on
Speaker 1: the Mauritania because it had better night life and enough
Speaker 1: life boats and there weren't gonna be kids, and now
Speaker 1: here they are sinking, and like he's so piste off
Speaker 1: that he's so cold, even though he said this was
Speaker 1: not the boat, and like he's just so pissed off
Speaker 1: because like the violinists are playing and you can't even
Speaker 1: dance to this music. It's so it's so fucked up,
Speaker 1: and he's just mad at his gay friends. But I
Speaker 1: remember like being on like a like a gay trip,
Speaker 1: like it was like a Palm Springs trip or whatever,
Speaker 1: and like those little squabbles that pop up a hashtag
Speaker 1: Fire Island and thinking like what about a group of
Speaker 1: gays that were on the Titanic together thinking it would
Speaker 1: be fun and it's just like like they tried to
Speaker 1: say third class and now they're like an absolutely sink,
Speaker 1: and like fucking why they Leo didn't even talk to them.
Speaker 1: There had to be one gay group on the Titanic.
Speaker 1: The gays on the Titanic were so fucking pissed, Like
Speaker 1: Oscar Wild and boy Douglas Okay he said, he's a history. Okay,
Speaker 1: here he is. We we're going to figure out if
Speaker 1: his last name was less or not. But in the
Speaker 1: meantime we're gonna do I don't think so, honey, And
Speaker 1: this is our sort of iconic segment, Jeremy, Um, where
Speaker 1: we sort of pop off for one minute and you've
Speaker 1: done it. You've done a live show. I've seen you
Speaker 1: t we do sixty seconds of cant believe I get
Speaker 1: to witness the two of you doing this right now
Speaker 1: and see your face's privileged. Sorry, go ahead, prepared to prepare.
Speaker 1: Um always so um, Okay, I have one want you
Speaker 1: want to go first today because I think I need
Speaker 1: a second? Yeah, I have one waits has been real
Speaker 1: popped off? No, okay, there's been no real That's okay,
Speaker 1: thank god, Okay, thank god. Um, but I was really
Speaker 1: nervous there because I've been so engaged in the conversation.
Speaker 1: I almost forgot to be real. I was being real here.
Speaker 1: We were too busy being real here to be real
Speaker 1: over there. And sometimes that's going to happen with the adamit.
Speaker 1: Do you have be real, Jeremy? No? In fact, I um,
Speaker 1: I truly didn't know what the funk you were talking about.
Speaker 1: And I, as we were talking beforehand, I google it
Speaker 1: and I look at it now and I I'm seeing
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it like literally as we speak and
Speaker 1: are you not in it's not for me, it's not
Speaker 1: for you. I think I think it's for everyone because
Speaker 1: it actually like it solves so many problems that are
Speaker 1: so like disgusting about social media, about Instagram specifically, where
Speaker 1: it's like it feels to like it's a brochure. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a brochure, and so be real. It's just like
Speaker 1: you see how boring you see how everyone is just
Speaker 1: as boring as you are. I'm gonna get on it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat my words actually and get on it.
Speaker 1: And I definitely am entreated. I don't want to pressure,
Speaker 1: like control over my image is like very very scary
Speaker 1: to me. I get I understand it's benething with people.
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm not interested in that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: then maybe it isn't for you, But I think I
Speaker 1: think it could be liberating. Like I found it very liberating,
Speaker 1: and and so you felt like you follow people and
Speaker 1: they follow you and then and it's so so what
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. So every there's a there's a time,
Speaker 1: a random time that every single day where it goes
Speaker 1: you have two minutes to po it's your be real,
Speaker 1: and it's a front facing camera shot and your face
Speaker 1: camera shot, and so and so you just wherever you are.
Speaker 1: It's so nice too. And everyone was looking to feed
Speaker 1: the same time of each other's be reals as people
Speaker 1: walking down the street or cooking or just sitting around
Speaker 1: their house. It's just it's just it's actually, that's actually
Speaker 1: kind of genius. So genius. You're gonna love the way
Speaker 1: you look, guarantee it. This is I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Us
Speaker 1: not getting to see Darcy and Perry fuck, and I
Speaker 1: love that for you. You just see them make out
Speaker 1: and kiss and that's it. I wanted to see these
Speaker 1: two hot. My friend is hot and John O Wilson
Speaker 1: is hot. White men? Fuck, why can't you give that stile?
Speaker 1: I wanted to see that. And then you and then
Speaker 1: you get Matt Rodgers taping up a box with a
Speaker 1: smile on his space in the next scene, no show
Speaker 1: me skin flapping on skin. I want, I want, I
Speaker 1: want these two men to work with it into these
Speaker 1: into MS coordinator and have a good time and respecting
Speaker 1: others boundaries. And Jono Wilson I met him very briefly
Speaker 1: at a screening once. He was so lovely. I just want.
Speaker 1: I want more Jona screen time in addition to more
Speaker 1: Matt Roger screen time. I can't wait to see how
Speaker 1: this story ends up. I can't see. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see where the story ends. Um, but I just
Speaker 1: give us five set scenes in TV. It's showtime. Come on,
Speaker 1: it's a Hunter parishes ass every season on fucking Weeds,
Speaker 1: and that's I have to agree, honestly, what my my
Speaker 1: dream for a season two is just it opens on uh,
Speaker 1: Perry and Dar fucking just parts, just body parts, fucking
Speaker 1: for an unbroken five minute shot, and have to have
Speaker 1: Bethan there. Why not just if if it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can't have two guys like we can have anal,
Speaker 1: then like have like one of we can't have anal.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually in my track essentially in my
Speaker 1: showtime contract that I have to show my ass if
Speaker 1: you ask. Okay, So I'm just saying yeah. I spoke
Speaker 1: with my lawyer about it. They were like, you have
Speaker 1: to show your ass a showtime and I was I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm good with it, but my my I
Speaker 1: have many hopes and dreams for That's my contract, right.
Speaker 1: I remember reading in the script that that was going
Speaker 1: to happen and we were like, we're going to shoot it.
Speaker 1: And I remember coming to you and I think you
Speaker 1: remember this, I asked you. I was like, so, do
Speaker 1: you think that they fuck in this product closet? And
Speaker 1: then you were like, I think that they do, like everything,
Speaker 1: but fucking I think that, like they don't fuck explicitly,
Speaker 1: but like I think they have a good time. And
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, cool, and I just have to
Speaker 1: like fill in the blanks for myself, like and what
Speaker 1: happened and that I had a fun I had a
Speaker 1: fun time doing that. I like I pictured it that
Speaker 1: it was like that. It's like that moment where you
Speaker 1: finally which I definitely like in college had with somebody
Speaker 1: in a scare well or something where you're like we
Speaker 1: are going to go there and this is not the
Speaker 1: place right now, but like this is hot TBD. What
Speaker 1: what's what's background? Was he like a is he comedy guy?
Speaker 1: Did he done? Great? He's a fucking genius. He really
Speaker 1: is so funny and he's so he's just so good
Speaker 1: at the character and he's great energy to the point
Speaker 1: where like I remember, like we shot a scene earlier
Speaker 1: in the season where it was just like get me
Speaker 1: getting like a video testimonial for him from Ally's characters,
Speaker 1: like Anniversary. I remember we went back and forth a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and like I did have a little
Speaker 1: bit of butterflies in my stomach because I do think
Speaker 1: he's so funny and handsome. And I walked away and
Speaker 1: Jesse Klein came over to me and she was like,
Speaker 1: I think there was a little bit of chemistry there,
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you think? And then I
Speaker 1: didn't think about it until the end of the season,
Speaker 1: and then I truly like had such a friend crush
Speaker 1: on him. I loved him so much. And then I
Speaker 1: read in the script that it was gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: I remember my stomach went to my feet because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Oh no, I hope he's
Speaker 1: like cool with this. I hope he doesn't like mind like,
Speaker 1: because he's a strict guy. You know, I've never I've
Speaker 1: never done kissed, and he was like, no, I've never
Speaker 1: done it on screen kiss before, and he was my
Speaker 1: first on screen kiss, and so I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like I was so nervous. I was
Speaker 1: really nervous. Man. It's so funny. It's so it's just
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I love it too. Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: my I don't think Mack, you have one. Yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Top Gone, Maverick, Mama.
Speaker 1: I really tried super hard for this, Honestly, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it takes a really long time to get good,
Speaker 1: and I am standing. But the thing is, like, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. The fact that they had like
Speaker 1: this like beach volleyball scene that they tried to recreate
Speaker 1: with like a beach football scene, and it was nearly
Speaker 1: gay enough. The thing that's so good about Top Gun
Speaker 1: is you have that insane scene event playing beach volleyball
Speaker 1: and their greased up and the men are so fucking
Speaker 1: hot and the camera lingers on their body and it
Speaker 1: feels homo erotic. Was this I don't think, so, honey.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's because now Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: all in his head about being called gay like so
Speaker 1: many years later, and he wasn't in his head about
Speaker 1: it then. But the fact is like the cuts were
Speaker 1: so short and sharp, and you didn't get to linger
Speaker 1: on the hottest men in America j Ellis, Glenn Powell,
Speaker 1: Miles Teller, and you're gonna float away from them. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I needed more. I needed more.
Speaker 1: I needed more of Jennifer Connelly, like with her perfect
Speaker 1: hair after a sailboating. I needed more. It wasn't gay
Speaker 1: enough for me. I don't think so, honey. The thing
Speaker 1: about Top Gun is it's like it's like a gay
Speaker 1: homo erotic movie on top of being frustrate red, and
Speaker 1: that's what brought everyone together to enjoy it, mono culture.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like the thing that was missing
Speaker 1: was like I was watching it the whole time, waiting
Speaker 1: for the climax, and then in the process of watching
Speaker 1: and I'm like, where's the gay ship? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And like just having the Lady Gaga score
Speaker 1: in the background is not enough. Like I wanted more
Speaker 1: visceral homo erotic ship. That is what brings me to
Speaker 1: Top Gun, and and as a result, Top go on
Speaker 1: Maverick and I feel like they chicken out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a good you have a decent point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I loved the movie. Yes you loved it? I did, Yes,
Speaker 1: what did you like about it? I just love Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: I love Tom cres. I think he's a perfect movie star. Um,
Speaker 1: he's got so much going on. He makes the most simple,
Speaker 1: like ridiculous little things feel so high stakes, like one
Speaker 1: minute it's it's And the way he listens and he's
Speaker 1: sort of like clenching his jaw when he's listening and
Speaker 1: you see a little like muscles in the side of
Speaker 1: Space movie. He's just so so in the world of
Speaker 1: make believe that you're like, you can't help but only
Speaker 1: believe the reality that he's presenting to There's no way
Speaker 1: to look away from it. Totally. I think the last
Speaker 1: great Tom Cruise movie I saw it was unfortunately, Edge
Speaker 1: of Tomorrow, and that was like ages ago. Well, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: The thing about Tom Cruise is he is a great actor,
Speaker 1: and you actually, as an actor, can learn a lot
Speaker 1: from watching him because because he is so crazy that
Speaker 1: he is like an active listener and everything feels very
Speaker 1: watchable when he's on screen because he is so in it.
Speaker 1: My problem is not with him, and I understood, I
Speaker 1: understand that in Dragging Top Gun Maverick, you sort of
Speaker 1: do drag Tom Cruise because he is so involved in
Speaker 1: the fabric of making it like it's everything is always
Speaker 1: a Tom Cruise production, etcetera. But for me, it's just
Speaker 1: like I feel the movie shied away from one of
Speaker 1: the elements that, whether they want to admit it or not,
Speaker 1: made it really great, and you want to see j
Speaker 1: Ellis great stuff like kind of wrestling with another good
Speaker 1: with Glenn or something. And also too many characters, like
Speaker 1: just too many characters that I didn't I didn't care about,
Speaker 1: like j Ellis's character at all. I didn't really when
Speaker 1: Glenn Powell ex oiler alert seconds eeen seconds when Glenn
Speaker 1: Powell comes in and like saves the day at the end,
Speaker 1: Like I get that he and Miles Teller like had
Speaker 1: like a like a like a rivalry that sort of
Speaker 1: mirrors the one that Val Kilmer had with Tom earlier,
Speaker 1: but like it wasn't lived in enough, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: feel the stakes of it. I also really don't like
Speaker 1: and this should have been in the I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: But I don't like what they did with the Meg
Speaker 1: Ryan character, Like she dies off screen they barely mentioned her,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it was giving sexism that they
Speaker 1: didn't have her back. And also, like, what happened to
Speaker 1: Kelly McGillis what happened to her character? I know she
Speaker 1: wasn't asked either. They just like moved on with Jennifer Connolly,
Speaker 1: who's like, I guess character's name is mentioned in the original.
Speaker 1: But that's not really enough for me. I wanted a
Speaker 1: little bit more connection to the original, for the gays
Speaker 1: and for the women who also enjoy top gun. This
Speaker 1: movie was aggressively hetero in a way that I feel
Speaker 1: was like hetero drag fun maximalism, but the grandeur of
Speaker 1: the homo eroticism I was missing, and I thought that
Speaker 1: they could have made that gesture. They would have been
Speaker 1: amazing if like when John Hamm walks up to him
Speaker 1: on the beach, is like, we have like one week
Speaker 1: left for training. What what are you out here playing football?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? He's like, you want a team,
Speaker 1: there's your team. You just cut to them and it's
Speaker 1: just full orgy. Just yeah, exactly exactly. That could have
Speaker 1: been great, Thank you. So it is time for Jeremy
Speaker 1: Byler's I don't think so. Honey, are you ready, sir? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, Okay, Jeremy Butler's I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: His time it starts now, Okay, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: QR code menus okay. And this is a phenomenon that
Speaker 1: has been has made it to Europe. I think we
Speaker 1: have read you cannot catch COVID from a piece of paper.
Speaker 1: I want hand me a piece of I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to click through to the to the
Speaker 1: correct tails and then click back to the appetizers. Can
Speaker 1: I please like order like a ferrata or or like
Speaker 1: an avocado without having to use face I D and
Speaker 1: by the way, classes okay, uh ages, okay, my parents
Speaker 1: are know how to use a QR code. Not everybody
Speaker 1: is on the tim cook tea like flowing your thumbs
Speaker 1: on a little like little rectangle of glass all day
Speaker 1: like a fucking t rex. Can I just want a
Speaker 1: warm glow? I want to be with my my husband's fellowshipping.
Speaker 1: I don't want blue light. This is not a blue
Speaker 1: light place. I don't think so. And that's you know what?
Speaker 1: That was topical, timely and truthful. Thank you. Well, there
Speaker 1: was a real anger within me. All you want is
Speaker 1: your husband and fellowship? Is that what you said? Gorgeous
Speaker 1: fellowshipping friends? You know, just a candle light glow? And
Speaker 1: is there anything more relatable than a complaint about a restaurant? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we all understand that this time. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You are so correct. You can't get COVID from it now.
Speaker 1: It's like you know what's going on. It's like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: we've really like reduced the like wasting paper, the footprint,
Speaker 1: and now I don't think we will ever go back.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of those things that with COVID
Speaker 1: has changed forever. I really do. Is it also the restaurants?
Speaker 1: Is it restaurants being like, oh, this is just easier,
Speaker 1: like maybe we have to do anything. We just like
Speaker 1: take this to the table and then we put it
Speaker 1: online and like whatever. Like it's I guess it's more
Speaker 1: tedious to have the menus, but it does for me.
Speaker 1: It takes away from the service aspect a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I want I want to be like
Speaker 1: I want for someone to reach over me and hand
Speaker 1: me something or take some one and hand me a
Speaker 1: thing that's been that's been printed in my It is
Speaker 1: just it's a lot to negotiate, like like the scrolling
Speaker 1: back and forth between like brunch, lunch, dinner, drinks. It's
Speaker 1: like to be able to like check your email while
Speaker 1: you're ordering. But you know, it's, yeah, I'm happy, like
Speaker 1: I've been trying to, like notice when I have like
Speaker 1: little feelings like deep within and when I pull out,
Speaker 1: you know, when I pull out the take the QR code,
Speaker 1: it's like there's something happening, something happening right, and you
Speaker 1: let that out. I'm so glad, and I wonder thank
Speaker 1: you for thank you for affording me the opportunity. I
Speaker 1: hope that restaurants here, this restaurant matters here. This I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the industry listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast, and I what I want is I want
Speaker 1: people to start unionizing, shaking things up at their restaurant.
Speaker 1: I want servers, bus boys, bar backs. You guys are
Speaker 1: the backbone of these restaurants. So it's your voice that matters.
Speaker 1: Let's during the next staff meeting, let's say something, okay something,
Speaker 1: Let's make this bottom up. Okay, Let's make this bottom up,
Speaker 1: not top down, top down, bottom up. This has been
Speaker 1: a top down, bottom up, absolutely fantastic episode of Lost
Speaker 1: culturest this Jeremy, Oh my god, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: thank you for inviting me here, Jeremy. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun the best. I feel like I got
Speaker 1: called to the to like the fun the fun person table,
Speaker 1: Like I really feel was it fun? Fume? Do you guys,
Speaker 1: do you gonna have fun anymore? Doing these we have?
Speaker 1: We always have fun. But you're in Spain while your
Speaker 1: husband is like in the yard, Like that sounds like
Speaker 1: more fun to me. Well, but here's the thing. We're
Speaker 1: parked for like a long for like weeks. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm having all my long days reading my books. Now
Speaker 1: is my moment to like connect with the real world
Speaker 1: and see people that I love. And uh, this was
Speaker 1: actually perfect And I'm gonna go, oh my god, your
Speaker 1: gorgeous husband god in Spain, what the aspirational life? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: we love you so much. And the season finale of
Speaker 1: I Love That for You is airing this weekend. You
Speaker 1: can stream it on Friday and then forever and you
Speaker 1: can watch it when it airs linear on Sunday at
Speaker 1: eight thirty on Showtime. But this has been great, Thank you, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: and every episode with the song yeah go to listen
Speaker 1: to the rest of that. You can get the VHS
Speaker 1: tape of Titanics away in your parents closet somewhere and
Speaker 1: sort of fast forward to the end of the second
Speaker 1: cassette and wait for their credits by