1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yeah? Goodness, last culture? 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: And now you said you were sort of shook a 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: second ago. What I shook you? I just saw a 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: tweet from a reader at my sayer lady just tweeted 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: at us. What did they say? Lost culture? Rests should 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: also know if you click the ellipsus next to someone's 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: be real, it will show you how many times they 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: retook it. Oh, isn't that shocking? That is shocking, shady 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: and shitty. Can I be real right now and say 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: always always with me? Thank you? This this podcast has 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: been a be real for six years. Honey, be real, 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: more like been real. It's actually real culture number fourteen, honey, honey, 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: be real, more like real? Say that actually hashtag lost 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: culled hashtag lost culture. But I will say I have 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: retaken several be reels and that's not being real. That's 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: not being real. And you had the goal to be 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: on here be I like, I think this is going 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: to save social media. It's getting me to be so real. 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: It's still orders of magnitude better than any other social 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: media platform. I'm actually reaching over with my foot right 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: now to grab my for those of you, because podcasts 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: are not a visual medium. I'm actually horizontal right now, 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: sort of like Maria in her in her in her 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: show Mariah's World. I'm horizontal on on my on my 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: bed in my hotel right now. I'm reaching over with 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: my foot to get my phone because I think the 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: reason why I'm getting is because I don't want to 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: be real. To tell me to be real, and then 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: what will happen going for for we need a plan 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: if if be Real happens this episode or any other 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: episode during recording, what do we do. I think we 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: have to be real. We have to be real, and 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I have to be I have to be real right now. 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: I really hope that that happens. I hope that happens 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: because let me tell you something. I want everyone to 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm doing right now. I want everyone to 38 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: know about the people I'm with and talking to because 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking the legends. I'm talking the legends. Before we 40 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: sort of bring in the legend, can we talk about 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: your legendary night you presented at the Tony Awards, You 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: fucking six fiend. I presented at the Tony Awards, and 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: I was telling our guest and you moments ago that like, 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: we're just again, and I know it's so uninteresting. This 45 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: is so interesting, this is so interesting, but it's so 46 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: uninteresting conceptually to hear someone talk about how tired they are. 47 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: And we know, we we realize the couple of Systems 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: readers that we've been doing this for the last few 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: episodes talking about tired we are. But you know, the 50 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: Fire Island press cycle is not over yet, not even close. 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: And so sorry, by the way, sorry, by the way, 52 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: it will it will culminate in the Culture Awards that 53 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: will be like basically the last press stop, which is 54 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: this weekend on saturd Day, and we want to see 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: you all there. So Bowen and I are doing watch 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: it Happens live. By the time this comes out, that'll 57 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: be out, and we're doing We're going to Pete Town 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: so Bowen can get an award and I can sort 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: of hashtag be there and uh, then Saturday night is 60 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: the Cultural Awards, and then that's really kind of it. 61 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: That's kind of it, and I and that would be 62 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: a perfect sort of coda and a little little period 63 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: to the whole thing, a coda and a period. The 64 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: coda and appeared anyway, the Tony's I'm just my body 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: is just like barely functioning, and so I did. Unfortunately, 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I was dissociating the entire time I 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: was there, and it was a four hour ceremony that 68 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: is long. And the choice when like when when the 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Tony Awards or any awards, body is like, you know 70 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, be very long like that is 71 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: that is a real genuine choice. I will say that 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: I read something that made me really laugh about you 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: presenting at the Awards, but they said it was someone 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: who tweeted and said the Tony Awards audience just reacted 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: to Bow and Young coming on stage like Andrew Garfield 76 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: coming out of the portal and Spider Man like like 77 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: they were just like, oh my god, it's Bow and 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: Yang from Saturday Night Live. It's you. I was just 79 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: impressed that people had the energy towards the end of 80 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the show, because I was presenting towards the end and 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, everyone's going to be so tuckered out. Out 82 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: of all the performances who tore and slay it and 83 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: went off the hard, Oh my god, Rakina Calucongo was 84 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: incredible and fucking immediate stating as soon as she's done, 85 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: and then her speech was also like everyone was shaking, 86 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: and then I had to follow that by coming in. 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: I think maybe I think she probably set me up. 88 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: She amped up that entire crowd so that I could 89 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: come out and be like Queen Slay a pop star, 90 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: Henry the eight six and then and then it happened 91 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: this six, Oh my god. But it was actually really 92 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: fun to Okay, I will be real and say, isn't 93 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: it like our dream to like present that not not 94 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: not not an award, but like for like be the 95 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: be the Travolta for the Frozen, you know one. That's 96 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: all I want to do. And I I actually I am, 97 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: I am a little gags if I think about it now. 98 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: But yesterday was such like a okay, now you go here, 99 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: you go here, you go here. It was just like 100 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: really really crazy and I most see the grounding force 101 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: was Eddie Valk, our stage manager at US and I 102 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: was stage managing the Tonys, and it was actually really 103 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: nice to have him there. Sorry, this is some show biz, 104 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: show biz biz. I thought you looked absolutely stunning, like 105 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: a queen and ps mind it was interesting too because 106 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: I had game showing at the Bellhouse and Thomas by 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: the way, everyone's obsessed with Thomas now from the episode 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: last week, of course, and they came and absolutely destroyed 109 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: game show. You have to go onto their Instagram. They 110 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: posted their making entrance, which is what the wise queer 111 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: does at the in the second half of the show. 112 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: It's a guil. See just instagram and watch they're make 113 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: an entrance. It's so iconic. But anyway, I took them 114 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: to Bubble Sea on Friday and they were the bell 115 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: of the ball. Yeah, the main event of events, unparalleled 116 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: star quality, beyond beyond beyond, speaking of beyond, so sort of, um, 117 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: what's going to happen this weekend is not just the 118 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: Cultural Awards. So basically, so this is the schedule for 119 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: the weekend. Friday, the finale of I Love That for 120 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: You was streaming on Showtime. Then Saturday is the Cultural Awards. 121 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: Then Sunday at eight thirty on Showtime I Love That 122 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: for You airs Because the thing the interesting thing about 123 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: I Love That for You on Showtime is it it 124 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: has its episodes come out twice, sometimes even three times, 125 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: and that's what's so kind of queer about the show. 126 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: They talk about how you know, like like there's actually 127 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: some you know, if you watch the last episode, there's 128 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: actually sort of maybe a queer love story starting. I 129 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: don't know. But the queerest thing about the show is 130 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: how they choose to release the episodes, which is sort 131 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: of everywhere, all at once, everything everywhere, all at once. 132 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's very queer. Step Shoe 133 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: is queer basically. Um, what I'm saying is the finale 134 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: is this week, and we have the co creator, really 135 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: my boss, I call him daddy all the time. He 136 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: insists upon it, and he is the creator of the show. 137 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: I love that for you, and really, amongst many other things, Bo, 138 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: this is an icon, an alleged this is an icon 139 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: and a legend. I was really crushing standing since like 140 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: the Onion days, crushing even okay, crushing even well, it 141 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: was just like it was. It was it was Mr Biler, 142 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: not Mr it was Jeremy Piler. You were like, didn't 143 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: you guys match on Tinder? No? Well he I don't 144 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: think he remembers this. Oh we can remember, saying I 145 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: remember because because I remember it, we can't we can't 146 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: talk about it. I guess I can. We can talk 147 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: about anything. This is one of the most explicit sexual 148 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: graphic podcasts out there. Has been heralded for it's for 149 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: the way that it talks about gay sex. It really has. 150 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: The podcast has received critical acclaim and many things that 151 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: it changed is the way that gay men speak, like 152 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: sex in the City. Women didn't talk before that show 153 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: came out, and now gay men are talking to each 154 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: other finally because of this podcast. It's just what Wikipedia says, 155 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: it's I think you're actually inspiring. I don't think so. 156 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: I have my own things, so honey for for this episode, 157 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: and it has to do with I love that for you, 158 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: but I but I will bring it up during the 159 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: stay tuned to the end of the ends. A good 160 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: stick ability. You've been liking the words sticky lately. You've 161 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: been saying that, You've been saying the movie sticky. I 162 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: love that for you. It's sticky. It is sticky. Okay, 163 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: we actually have to tell our guests about all of 164 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: the the most perfect moments of praise that Matt has 165 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: gotten from the wildest assortment of people. It is true, 166 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: but we'll talk about it, okay. So well, Yes, our 167 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: guest has written for Inside av Schumer um fucking Saturday Night. 168 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: I've ever heard of it, UM and it basically is 169 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: the co creator with Vanessa Bayer and uh, you know, 170 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: it's just just the genius of all time of I 171 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: love that for you, the show that I am so 172 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: proud to be a part of UM and the finale 173 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: as this week, everyone, please welcome into your goddamn ears 174 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: one the only Jeremy fire O my mother I legitimately 175 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: stars Brooke was getting to see from Spain fucking obnoxious. No, 176 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: you can hear people like switching to another podcast that's 177 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: this White Man Vacation and is the first thing that 178 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: we I think that, well, the thing is, you're not 179 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: the most exotic location that we've talked to some from 180 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: Alan Cumming was in an Australian limestone cave. Yeah, oh fuck, 181 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: that's not I have to listen to that one. He'll 182 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: He'll always He'll, Alan Will always went up anyone like 183 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: at any of us. Seems like a fancy, like a 184 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: fancy person who's kind of gallivants gallavants, but like has 185 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: a house to stay, like you know, like I think 186 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: I think he seems very balanced to me in terms 187 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: of his creature comforts, like he knows how to enjoy everything. 188 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: I once, long ago was saw him in cabaret and 189 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,239 Speaker 1: had a mutual friend or something that brought us backstage 190 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: into his dressing room. And he had like the classic 191 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: like old Hollywood dressing room where there's like his own 192 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: lamps and like a fridge full of drinks and just 193 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: so much kitch and like handkerchiefs, and it was just 194 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: it was really like fantastic. He feels like one of 195 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: the people who like still do that kind of yeah, 196 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: he has, and he is an international phenomenon and that 197 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: is all true, but sort of, you know, getting drifting 198 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: away from that. Do you remember matching with bone Yang 199 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: on Tinder? It wasn't Tinder, Jeremy. When did we match? 200 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled. I was 201 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: working a temp job in midtown. Uh, this is grinder. 202 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: Chickasn't twelve? Oh wow yeah yeah, yeah, this is this 203 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: is a decade ago grinder. Yeah. I was really playing 204 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: the numbers at that time. We all were. We still 205 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: we still basically keo. I was like the old lady 206 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: playing pino and how you and I one baby? Yes, 207 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: a husband? Oh, my god, we met I r L. 208 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: We met I r L. Yeah, we met at a 209 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: dinner party that neither of us wanted. It was so 210 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you can't ask for anything better, you 211 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: really can't. Well, it was it was tumultuous. It was 212 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: like he was in a relationship I was. I was, 213 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: as I said, playing the numbers and but I but 214 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: we were like we just had like an immediate like 215 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: thing like the moment. And but I was like, but 216 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: that actually made me so sad because I had spent 217 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: so much time just like kind of sleeping around and 218 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: like hanging out. And I was like, Oh, here's a 219 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: person who I actually like, really connect with intellectually, very 220 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: attracted to, Like he's hilarious, beautiful, so all those things 221 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: like the spark. And then I was like, oh, but 222 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: of course he's taking I was like, of course that, 223 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: like this person is not for me, and I'm not 224 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: it's not like me to like I like, I didn't pursue. 225 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe we'll be friends or whatever, and 226 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: then it was there was just sort of this undeniable 227 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: connection and he ended up breaking it off with his 228 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: other person and because of you, because of me. Wow, 229 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of iconic. How long it's it's what, well, 230 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's it's complicated. You know, it's 231 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of quote what made that movie Nancy to quote 232 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: Nancy Myers, it's complicated. That's actual culture number one. It's complicated. 233 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: How long was the period of tumult or complication? Truly? 234 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: So short. It's no notes, it's no notes, like you met, 235 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: you had to meet at a dinner party that neither 236 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: you wanted to be this it's so like, it's so 237 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels like a Sally Rooney book 238 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: or some ship like it sounds so nice. It was 239 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: really it was really pretty magical. And then we um. 240 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: You know, we had our moments that you know, we've 241 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: been together some weeks. You know, it's work, baby, but 242 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: it's right now he's like making a fire outside. Yeah 243 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: it is, it's um and we right after we got together, 244 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: he wrote a play that was going to be up 245 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: in Williamstown and he was gonna be there for several months, 246 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: and then I was gonna be in Tokyo with a 247 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: couple of friends for like several weeks. So we didn't 248 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: we like immediately connected, but then we were going to 249 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: be in completely different places. And I drove before we 250 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: had even like touched or done, and I drove up 251 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: to Williamstown and we had our little, you know, magical 252 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: weekend and then he came to Tokyo. I'm so hot 253 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: for that. Wait, so you went up to Williamstown and 254 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: you guys sucked it all up like for the week, 255 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: every every every corner or of that rocks. Oh my god, 256 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: I want to have a fun weekend. Oh my god, 257 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: it's been such a long time. I really like everyone's 258 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: bad right now, but really, what but what are you? 259 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: What are your what are your love lives? Like? What's 260 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: going on? Can I ask man? Maybe are Web's going 261 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: through something similar where we're being like I'm needing. I'm 262 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: needing to release something, um and I think it'll be good. 263 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: But I kind of like, for me, it's like I 264 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: haven't done this in a long time. But I sort 265 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: of let myself like emotionally run amuck on something and 266 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: like it's just it's fine. I just had like a 267 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: sort of situation summer situation last year that I thought 268 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: maybe it would continue and is not going to, which 269 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: is totally fine, um and for the best and we 270 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: still love the person. But the thing is like it 271 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: did give me that little taste of like, oh I 272 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: really like someone, and like, I think I didn't realize 273 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: how much I kind of want that. I've been kind 274 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: of saying the thing of like, oh, I'm find not 275 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: in a relationship, it's better for me to be single, 276 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, etcetera. I've been enjoying it, but then like 277 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: there is those little things like I don't know, I'm 278 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: so much more of a It's like a grass is 279 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: greener thing, right. It's like when you're in a relationship 280 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: and it's it's great for a while, then you really 281 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: want to be single. And now that I'm not in one, 282 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm feeling those little like nibbles again of like oh 283 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: I forgot I'm someone that likes to be taken care 284 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: of and like loved and like I I do have 285 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: that unfortunate impulse to want someone to be obsessed with 286 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: me and only me, and it's you know what I mean, Yeah, 287 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Well I don't know. I'm trying to stay I'm trying to, like, yeah, 288 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because I can promise I 289 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: I would love to be obsessed with someone else too, 290 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: like I I do crave that thing of like, this 291 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: is my person. We're obsessed with each other, and like 292 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: for however long that's gonna last, is great, but you know, 293 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, this summer I'm kind of interested in, 294 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: like just kind of being a capital W whore, which 295 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: probably will happen. Life is long, honey, it's gonna be 296 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: your You just make sure that whoever it is deserves you. 297 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. But what you feeling, sim, I'm 298 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: feeling sim And yeah, it's that thing where I really 299 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: want to be infatuated with someone and that hasn't happened, 300 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: and it's exciting and it feels good. I know, I know, um, 301 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: but it has to I wonder what that is. People 302 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: have written about it for ages and yeah, you know, 303 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: we still don't know. And usually when people write about 304 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: things for ages, there should be an answer by now. 305 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: But feelings complicated A lot, They're complicated a lot. That's 306 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: real culture number seven. Feelings They're complicated. That was the 307 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: original title of Nancy You got. Even Nancy has the 308 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: first draft, you know what I mean, Nancy doesn't the 309 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: final draft to nail at every time. Nancy struggles, you know, 310 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: Nancy is there. She's typing away, she's fucking she's drinking 311 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: her you who's I don't know why I picture her 312 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: drinking you. She definitely does. She flops a pillow. Sunlight 313 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: streams into the room. No, no floods. The room is 314 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: drowning in sunlight, and they're like, Nancy, they're not going 315 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: to read the stage directions in the movie. It can 316 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: be whatever it is, like, just work on the dialogue, mama. 317 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: You know you guys, remember something's gotta give. Of course, 318 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: where Diane Keenan is playing the player right, and like 319 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: she makes writing. Look if if if there's some similarity 320 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: between Erica Berry's, which is the character's names, there's a 321 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: similarity between Erica's process and Nancy's process. I feel like 322 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: there's something not quite right about that because it's her 323 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: and her Hampton's house facing the window, typing and the 324 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: writing is not good. It seems like I love my 325 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: girl Nancy, but it seems like Erica Berry is not 326 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: that good of a play right, like the movie the movie, 327 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: playwriting is like not great to me? Or do you 328 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: stand Nancy? I feel like you do, Jeremy, oh absolutely, 329 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah. But but then you get in 330 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: the movie like lines like fucking like, dude, do you 331 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: know what this is? This is heartbreak haws that like, 332 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: are you to me? It's a guilt to me, it's 333 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: a guilty pleasure to me, it's it's scratching that it's 334 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: that corner of the brain that's like I want to 335 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: watch a movie, but also I want to flip through 336 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: a magazine and it's like I guess to do both 337 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: in the same like two hours, which like is yeah, 338 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: which is genius, Like that's a genius genius And I 339 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: can I just say not that people care about my 340 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: process in any of this, but for Fire Island, like 341 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: the thing that like anchored the whole performance was I 342 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: was watching scenes from Something's Gotta Give, like the seat, 343 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: like like in terms of like the heart playing the 344 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: heartbreak of it, I was just like, okay, like it's 345 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: it's it's Erica. It's like it's eton like realizing that 346 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: like like like walking away from Jack Nicholson in the 347 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: house being like, oh, she's sleep in separate beds, like 348 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: that is such a good scene to me. Oh that 349 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: is an amazing so like she's so likea like she's 350 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: she's so oh my God, she's she's off the page. 351 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: She's off the page. She is so good in that movie, honestly, 352 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: and she didn't kind of stand a chance for the 353 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: Oscar that year because that was Charlie Starron's big monster year. 354 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: It's sort of like when Charlie Starren put on a 355 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: different face and gained you know, fifteen twenty and like 356 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: putting on like a mullet to like pretend she was 357 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: a swamp monster serial killer and then never ever did 358 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: that again. She's like kind of only hot now, but 359 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: that was like the big year for her. But Diane Keaton, 360 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: that's like talk about like like a movie that never 361 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: would have been nominated for an Oscar until someone comes 362 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: in and like destroys a hundred percent. She like took 363 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: what was there, and oh my god, that's that's like 364 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: one of the great scenes. And she's like for a 365 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: millisecond she's crying and then she's not. It's like that 366 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: kind of like Andy. She Nancy stays on her and 367 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: and then sucking. Diane goes through the ten different micro 368 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: expressions and then she goes, this was really wonderful name 369 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: and then walks away. It's so good because honestly, honestly, 370 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: that is how it feels like when when that is bittersweet, 371 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean you know what I mean, Like, oh God, 372 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: I start crying. It's just that kind of thing of 373 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: like it was it really was nice, but it's also 374 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: wrong and you feel great, but you feel bad and 375 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: you feel anxious, but you also know what it is 376 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: and it's kind of just like you also feel like 377 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: you played yourself, but also you're happy you did it 378 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: because it's great to experience all the emotions and then 379 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: you're like, I want to take it back, but also 380 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: you never would, you know. It's just it's and and 381 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: it's all coming across in that moment. And that's why 382 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: I love romantic comedy so much. And that's why it's 383 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: like like what like with Fire Island coming out, Like 384 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: I keep playing this sometimes covered by Muna, and I 385 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: keep just getting so emotional because I'm so happy and 386 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: proud to be a part of a great rom com 387 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: and like Bow and like the scene in the movie 388 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: where you get that moment with James, like that to 389 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: me is like what I love about movies. And that's 390 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: why I love like, you know, it's it's just it's 391 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: that I love Nancy Myers, I cannot wait to see 392 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: Fire Island. I can't believe I haven't seen it yet. 393 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: And for the for the readers, you were giving just 394 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: now into the zoom as you were describing, you were 395 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: giving a performance right just now, like you were giving 396 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: you well thanks. That was that was really Jeremy. I'm 397 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: always sort of auditioning for you so you can see 398 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: what I can do, so you put it into the show, 399 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Can I toss you an 400 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: adjustment always? Maybe what's okay? Both of you tell us 401 00:21:50,680 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: what they seem like good writing? Tell me and the 402 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: readers what the dynamic was Jeremy coming with an adjustment study, 403 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: coming with an all like like what what what? What's 404 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: what's all? My favorite thing ever? I mean, come on 405 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: better alt, Oh my god, she's She's study. Actually was 406 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: the one who came in and said, I mean, probably 407 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: my favorite moment on the show that I get to 408 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: do well that that that everyone by this time has 409 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: seen if they're watching it is like the discourse is toxic, 410 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: where when Darcy gets his bag finally and then he's 411 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: posing in with it in the mirror and sort of 412 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: rehearsing lines he's going to say to people when he 413 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: when he can carry this bag and have like a 414 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: serious conversation with people, and we're brainstorming things he could say, 415 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: and Suddy came in and she said, just say the 416 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: discourse is toxic. And I was like that, and I 417 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: just pictured YouTube clowns in village just like cracking each 418 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: other up, and it made me really happy. Oh, that 419 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: was a hundred percent study. That was a full study invention. 420 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: And also that scene the pairing to give you a 421 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: sense of the dynamic Boe and like the Matt and 422 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: study together, like collaborating, just like having a moment, having 423 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: an idea, like putting it on screen like we did. 424 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: That was its own thing. That was like a constant 425 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: source of genius for the show. And it was like 426 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: set up, knock them down. It was it's such a 427 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: like flow that you guys have. It's so beautiful and 428 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: so funny, and that scene is one of my favorite 429 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: scenes in the show. And it's one of the only 430 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: scenes in the entire show that when we saw the 431 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: first cut of it that like usually is longer and 432 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: like includes like everything that the editors loved. We didn't 433 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: change that scene one frame We didn't change a frame 434 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: of that scene. It was like, this all has to 435 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: be there. It's perfect. That's Mad, that's Matt, Matt, and 436 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: that's and that's the show. That's the show too. I 437 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: gotta say, I just I feel like I come to 438 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: a lot of viewing experiences when I watch a show 439 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: or something as like Compulse three, as like its homework, 440 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: and it never has felt that way once with what 441 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: I Love That for You. For me, it's always been 442 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: oh great, it's Friday when it's streams, or it's Sunday 443 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: when it airs, like I get to watch, or there's 444 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: an Actually I was in New York that night. It 445 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: was like April seventeen, and the show was gonna secretly 446 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: premier on linear Um like on Sunday night, like after 447 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: the first Lady and I was with Blowing and Study 448 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: and our friend Dave Mazzoni, and I was like, would 449 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: you guys want to watch it? And that was the 450 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: same night I was on watching It Happens Live. So 451 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: we watched that, and then we watched I Love That 452 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: for You, And I remember being a little nervous. Study 453 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: and I were a little nervous because you know, we 454 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: obviously care what they think. And I remember Bowen turned 455 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: to me after the pilot and he was like, this 456 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: was such a great pilot. This is exactly the kind 457 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: of show I want to watch, and like it made 458 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: me feel really good and confident, Like obviously I was 459 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: always confident, but like, you know, all you want is 460 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: for your smart, funny friends to think it's smart and funny. 461 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: And then he did. So that's because of you, though, bitch, 462 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: I mean you came up with the ship. Oh no, 463 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: it's it's it's because of you. It's because of a 464 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: billion people. It's so much bigger than the sum of 465 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: its parts. I also, I share that like feeling that 466 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: like that you like it, Bowen is very meaningful to 467 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: me because I feel like you are truly a taste maker, 468 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: a genius everybody like I like that is very meaningful 469 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: to me. That means a lot. I mean, it's it's 470 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: it's just true. It's very honest. I mean that that 471 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: that that that thing where that thing that I said 472 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: to me is in terms of like being in this 473 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: show that like is exactly kind of show I want 474 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: to watch. Is like it was just the truth, and 475 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: I I want to say that it's just such a 476 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: it's just such a great vehicle for Vanessa. I know 477 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: it's like her she's the best show, but it's like 478 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: she hasn't like she's just such a good least for 479 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. She is such a such a 480 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: fucking genius. And also like she's the type of person 481 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: who when we wrote together at us and now like 482 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, writing for this person makes me 483 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: a funnier writer, you know what I mean, Like when 484 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: you hand when you handling something and it's just like 485 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: they do like the of it that's like really making it. 486 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: It just makes you take bigger swings. It makes you 487 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: feel better. I'm just like, I'm just in love with 488 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: She's one of the gift great gifts of my life. Yeah, 489 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: it really the the ensemble, Like you know, we had 490 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: a good feeling about it, but watching the show and 491 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: this is something. So the finale is this this weekend, everybody, 492 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: and I honestly have thoughts since the beginning that it 493 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 1: would make a really great bin. So if you have 494 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: not yet done it, you can get the showtime trial 495 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: and you know you can knock it all out and 496 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: then watch the finale. And I honestly think all eight 497 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: episodes are gonna feel very cohesive and good together because 498 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: the arcs are going to be really fun to see 499 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: play out in that short little burst. And I'm just 500 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: excited for people to um to see it because the 501 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: journeys for all the characters are really really clear, especially 502 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: I think with Molly. I think I think for me, 503 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, episode two, episode like, watching it 504 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: week to week is one thing, and then I think 505 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: watching it all together like what's really great to me? 506 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: And there's so many great things. But something I wanted 507 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: to compliment you on that I've noticed and Molly as well, 508 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: is that there's stuff in the pilot about Molly's character 509 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: and even the second episode that you think, oh, that's 510 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: just a Molly Shannon quirk that ends up like really 511 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: paying off in a huge character way and in a 512 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: writing way by the end. And I honestly think, having 513 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: seen like episodes six and seven and now eight, like 514 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: it really the seeds are there from the beginning in 515 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: a way that's like really really cool. So this to 516 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: me is like, I think, going to really be a 517 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: good binge. I agree with you that like the show 518 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: is actually pretty serialized if you watched watching it all together. 519 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: I think it would be a nice experience. Absolutely that 520 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: that is a credit to our incredible writers, Like truly, 521 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: our writer's room is just fucking geniuses. They're so Albert, 522 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: Tina Rizzo, She's still Jenkin, Zora be Congaga, Study Greeny, 523 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: Ali Nda Good, Jesse Klein. Maybe I mean one of 524 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: the best. I wanted to ask you though, So something 525 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: I get asked a lot about the show is um 526 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: because because you are the gay co creator of the show, 527 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: and I'm the gay role on the show, openly gay, 528 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: and we're both openly gay men, and we should say 529 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: that um openly gay. And so what I wanted to 530 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: ask you was something I get asked all the time 531 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: is like, well, how did you navigate this not being 532 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: like just the sassy gay assistant, or how did you 533 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: navigate like this not being like so? And I even 534 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: get told sometimes like you really elevate this apart from 535 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: just being the assistant just the assist And what I 536 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: loved about it from the very beginning was that like 537 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: he seemed to be aware of that trope and wanted 538 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: to remind everyone, actually, no, you take me seriously and 539 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: then immediately gets treated by Jennifer as the assistant, and 540 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: then we see that navigation and that rub in, that 541 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: push and pull. But I would imagine that, like as 542 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: the creator of this show and as a gay man 543 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: and as a gay person like in entertainment like that 544 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: that role probably did give you an opportunity to push 545 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: that forward. So I just wanted to ask you about, 546 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: like what went into like creating the gay character on 547 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: the show. I'm I feel so lucky to play it 548 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: because it's so dynamic, but like I wanted to ask about, 549 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: like how how you approached it. You know, I think 550 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: we we when we wrote the pilot, we just Vanessa 551 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: and I love this idea of somebody who was like 552 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: struggling for power and just didn't get it and was 553 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: kind of walked all over. And I think, like the 554 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: gay of it all, like I don't know that I 555 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: like thought too much about it, And I think maybe 556 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: that's that's sort of an example of like maybe we 557 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: stepped into a trope that we didn't really realize that 558 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: we like should have been a little more aware of. 559 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: But but I do feel like from that that I'm 560 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: talking about like the early stages of it, but like 561 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: from there, it's like once we knew that it was 562 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: you and that it would be so much more and 563 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: that you're just so funny with any scenario that like I, 564 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: I personally don't look at it as like he's the 565 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: day one. He's the day assistant, like even though you 566 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: know I can see that, Like I've also got my 567 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: question too, So I think that is part of what 568 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: we've made in the show. But I just didn't. I 569 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: just didn't think about it that way. I don't know, 570 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: I just feel like he's I do. I feel such 571 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: attachment to Darcy, especially after you know on the page 572 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: I felt it, and then times and millions after seeing 573 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: you play him, And we have so many ideas for him, 574 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: so many backstories and so many things that we just 575 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: even for real estate's sake, like I didn't get to 576 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: didn't get to show, or had to cut for money, 577 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: like we have this this study. Ever tell you about 578 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: this scene that we cut for Darcy where he goes 579 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: and visits his cousins. Oh my god, so we had 580 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: we couldn't afford it, but so where there was this 581 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: scene where Darcy goes to like, hey, I'm trying to 582 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: remember the details, but he goes to like his cousin's 583 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: birthday party or something and it's or his cousin's kid. 584 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: It's a nine year old birthday party and it's at 585 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: like ten pm in like a dirt filled backyard and 586 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I know exactly. It was like everything 587 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: has to be, everything has to be in these four 588 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: walls with literally but so and then Darcy like shows 589 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: up in um, you know, wearing his like loafers and 590 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: like just and we get this sense of like him 591 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: with his family, like just very out of place. And 592 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: it's like and then I think originally that was when 593 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: he bought the bag because he was like minded that 594 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: he comes from trash in his mind, he's embarrassed about 595 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: his art. Perfect yeah, perfect genius, great writing, amazing. Is 596 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: there a tony left for me? I'm gonna make a call. 597 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: I think this is the thing, Like, I think people 598 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: are so easily like programmed with a quote unquote stereotype 599 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: or a trope that like they think examining it or 600 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: like popping the hood open on a character level for 601 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: any like one instance of that trope is like something 602 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: that they can write off, but it makes it so 603 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: worth I mean, it's why legally blonde is great is 604 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: because it's like taking this like stereotypical dumb blonde person 605 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: but actually like excavating like what she is like as 606 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: a human being. I think you guys are doing that 607 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: with this tripe of what a gay man on TV 608 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: as a character usually is quote unquote, and yet like 609 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: of course you're gonna like like fill out all these 610 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: different contours in like his life, you know, like like 611 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: hearing that like cousin back story is like makes perfect 612 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: sense to me, and like I'm like, I want to 613 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: see that. I don't know. Yeah, And I also think 614 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: like it's in there enough in the subtext where it's 615 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: like that's sort of I understand him now. And I 616 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: remember in the very beginning, like because I had only 617 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: seen really the pilot, I was and I maybe it's 618 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: my own like not trauma, but like experience with like 619 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, playing roles like this, because I actually have 620 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: played assistance quite a lot. I would have you, I 621 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: would imagine that we've all done an assistant. I have. Yeah, 622 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: So it's because it's just what we're given so many times. 623 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: And so I think, like I was like, oh, I 624 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: really wonder where it's gonna go. And then when it 625 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: became what it was, and like that there was actual 626 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: like emotional stuff to go through and that yes, it 627 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: was about this bag, but really it's more about like 628 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: he wants so badly to be taken seriously and to 629 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: be to prove to himself that he's more than just 630 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: someone who's secondary. Like to me, that's that's like really 631 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: rich stuff. And I think that, you know, by the end, 632 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: like what I love about it is he's in such 633 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: a different place than he is in the beginning, and 634 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: so honestly, like it feels weird, but and it's like 635 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: this was Fire Island too. But before this, I had 636 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: never ever, ever even gotten an opportunity to play a 637 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: character with an arc at all. Like the only thing 638 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: I had ever done was just like come in and 639 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: like say a joke or whatever, which is fun and fine, 640 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: but like, you know, I think that it's like you 641 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: work for so many years to get like to get 642 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: this opportunity and then for it to be so good, 643 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: and like, you know, I remember towards the end, like 644 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: when I was getting the scripts and just hearing everyone 645 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: screaming their trailers about how good they all were. I think, 646 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: to me it was just exciting for it to be 647 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: surprising and for it to be layered because I think 648 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: as like a gay actor, like and as a gay 649 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: even as a gay writer and gay creator who's like 650 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to write these types of things for myself, 651 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: like because you're experiencing so many times like a limited 652 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: um amount of things to do, like you just don't 653 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: imagine yourself doing them. And so then there I was, 654 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: like in episode seven, like playing that scene with Perry 655 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: where it goes a certain way and it's just exciting 656 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: for me. And so I guess, like I'm just so 657 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: grateful to you and thankful to you for caring so 658 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: much about the character and like you know, making it 659 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: something that's so fun to play and so funny, but 660 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: also to be honest with you real because I get it. 661 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: I understand someone that takes themselves very seriously and like 662 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: works very hard or not even that they take themselves seriously, 663 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: is very hard on themselves, and like I think that 664 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: in doing it, like I was hard on myself, and 665 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: so now to watch it and be so proud of 666 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: it is it's I just I can't thank you enough. 667 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: And like I don't know from the very beginning when 668 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: I first came in for the audition, I felt really 669 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: good about it. It's been such a good experience and 670 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: so I really man, I can't thank you. And truly 671 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: and also when you walked into that audition, it was 672 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: like there was the role belong to absolutely, it was 673 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: just not it was not even a question. It was 674 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: just not a question. And so you like, but you 675 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: also like brought that the acting like you brought like 676 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: you like are delivering the moments in this show, like 677 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: it's not just funny, it's more, which is exactly what 678 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: we needed and wanted. And like the fact that you 679 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: can do that, it's just I can't wait all that day. 680 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: I can't wait for like more, a lot more if 681 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: we get it well. And I don't know, Bowen, I 682 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: don't know if you feel like this, but it's like 683 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: maybe Jeremy to like I don't know, just coming like 684 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: being true clowns in the beginning of all this, you 685 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like coming from like truly doing comedy, 686 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: like being clowns, like getting writing jobs, like doing what 687 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: you need to do. Yeah, all right, and then but 688 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: then like but like truly like and then all of 689 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: a sudden you get an opportunity like this and Bowen, 690 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: I would imagine it's like this for you as well. 691 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: It's like you don't know that you can do it totally, 692 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: like like all the stuff that they throw at you 693 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: for that, Like we and sometimes I'd read scripts and 694 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: it will be like Darcy is hysterically crying and weeping 695 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: over this, or like this happens. It's like no, no, no, no, 696 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: but like and then but then you read it and 697 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: then there's a part and get the drop out. Yeah, 698 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: well literally, like there's tips and tricks. But like a 699 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: lot of times, like you as a performer and as 700 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: an actor, like when you get those scripts and like 701 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: bow and I'm sure this is true for you to 702 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: like you read it and you're like, oh my god, 703 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. But am I capable of this? Like 704 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: it really is a thing that you go through right 705 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: like I do. But but Jeremy um on set, like 706 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't in the script that you were hysterically crying, 707 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: but the Jeremy would come in with an adjustment and 708 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: be like, hey, can you do anything that we wrote 709 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: and do something a little different than we didn't came 710 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: up with. I love an adjustment and in theory. I 711 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: love an adjustment because that's what the job is and 712 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: it makes it makes I've started to get less in 713 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: my head about it, like especially at SNL, where it's like, oh, no, 714 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: they're not doing this. No, they're not coming in with 715 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: an adjustment because you're doing a bad job. They're coming 716 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: in because they want to make it work, and like 717 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: that's that's all it is, you know. Anyway, the Darcy 718 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: storyline with the bag, I didn't realize how much I 719 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: related to that until until like this past episode, until 720 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: when I was seven were Jeremy, I, I'm sure you 721 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: can relate to this like any anyone's first season at SNL, 722 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: and any job is very hard and you feel like 723 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: you are powerless and worthless and not valued. And so 724 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: what you you get it you get a decent paycheck 725 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: for the first time maybe in your life. And so 726 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: what do you do. You buy a nice thing for 727 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: yourself to make you It's it's the retail therapy thing 728 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: of like making yourself feel better. And that is a 729 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: very human thing that anyone would do in that situation. Um, 730 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,959 Speaker 1: no matter if they were like the gayestest, anybody would 731 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: like try to I don't know, um just just just 732 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: just just make just just make comfort themselves with that. 733 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: It's a version of self soothing. Yeah, it's totally Yeah. 734 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: And and it's almost like what the whole show is 735 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: about in some way to like for that, for that 736 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: which and I participate in it very much, so like 737 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: and adjacent does to that. We're like in an examined way, 738 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: But what do I say, but like but just that 739 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: that like when you open a box and it's like 740 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: your thing that you bought your like for that one moment, 741 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: you will never die, you know what I mean. It's 742 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: sort of like yeah, and then you just send it 743 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: to the send it to the island in the middle 744 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: of the Pacificae. It's it's a show about coping as 745 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: a means of survival. Like that's like what is so 746 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: brilliant about it, I think and literally like in terms 747 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: of like Johanna and Patricia, like surviving um Joanna and 748 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: this new place of work, Patricia in terms of like 749 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: her diagnosis, Darcy in terms of like being treated like 750 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: garbage at his job, and like just trying to make 751 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: it through, trying to make it through this like Martha's 752 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: vineyard trip, Like it's just it's all. I think the 753 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: allegories are all and it's not an allegory, but I 754 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: think all the like representative narratives are there in terms 755 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: of like all it all feeding into this one concept. 756 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: That's my take on it. At least. What's the craziest 757 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: thing you bought during Okay, I was gonna ask you this. Okay, 758 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: the craziest thing I bought? And Study actually encouraged me 759 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: because Sudi knew that I was like struggling. She was like, 760 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: you should buy something. You should go to SAX and 761 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: buy something nice for yourself. And Gary Richards into um 762 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: They're about like go to Sax and buy something nice 763 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: for yourself. So it was and Studio was like, you 764 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: should buy a pair of shoes so that when you 765 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: walk around, people go, oh, there's there Goes Bone with 766 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: his nice shoes, you know, like it's a way for 767 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: people to index you or whatever. And so I bought 768 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: like just the most basic like Gucci sneakers. But at 769 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: the time that was like the nicest thing I'd ever 770 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: bought for myself. But that's, yeah, that's really nice about you. 771 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think I bought anything like 772 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: I think I blew it on like travel, like yeah, 773 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: you're breaks, like I just like busted out. Yeah that's 774 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: the Yeah, well no, and then I would just blow 775 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: it up like on food. I'm like, um, like just 776 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: so that I didn't have because you don't have energy 777 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: to cook anything, and you're like you want something like 778 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: you just want like thirty shrimp for no reason, just 779 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: to like try and feel better. And yeah, this is 780 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: this is what makes Jeremy like a great like a 781 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: great creative person. Is that, um he spends money on 782 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: experiences and not like objects. That's it. I wish I 783 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: was like that's how he will eventually go down. What 784 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: do you mean, Darcy, No, no, no, Jeremy just like 785 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: like irresponsible, like like travel, it's not irresponsible. It's like, 786 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: can I tell you all I want right now is 787 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: to go somewhere far away because they haven't done that 788 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: in like three years, and I was going and I 789 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: just I'm reaching out to Brendan Skinnell's boyfriend Joe today 790 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: because he's a travel agent and I'm gonna be like, 791 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: can you help me plan this trip? Because Junior, you're 792 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: gonna go to London and in Mayorka, Spain. So yeah, 793 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: maybe Amsterdam because Michelle Collins is there. I'm gonna I 794 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: was talking Michelle Collins today. She's just in Amsterdam now 795 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: she has to come back on anyway, I'm going to 796 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: Amsterdam on Friday. Damn it for how long? What are 797 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: you doing? For? Like five days? We're seeing like just 798 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: a close friend of ours there and then okay, like 799 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: my blabsolute blunt is it? It's sout less fun now 800 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: that I remember. When I went there, I was like, 801 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna smoke so much. We like, yes, 802 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: like I don't all the time anyway, And then I 803 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: went there years ago and it was like I got 804 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: way too fucking high so quick, and like me at 805 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: Henry and his brother Sam, We're supposed to go to 806 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: the Anne Frank House. And so we arrived so stoned 807 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: at the Andrank House and we were like shaking, like 808 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 1: too emotional to go. We're like it makes me so anxious, 809 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: like you can't go, you can't be so high, and 810 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: then go to the Frank House, You're gonna die. But 811 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,919 Speaker 1: that I would have a panic attack in there, for sure. 812 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's the experience that millions upon millions of 813 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: people have had. Yes, I know it's just shaking. That 814 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: was such an anxious trip to I would have been 815 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: absolutely out of my mind. But no, I mean it's 816 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: also the Amsterdam also like such great food, it's so beautiful. 817 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're gonna have the best writing. And Frank, 818 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: I mean amazing authors, amazing authoress. She really tore um. 819 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with tour and tearror, like I think it's 820 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: so funny, so stupid. I think it's time to ask Jeremy. 821 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,720 Speaker 1: I think we have to ask the question, Jeremy. The question, 822 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: the central question of this show, Last Cultures. What was 823 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture? It was for me, 824 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: this is a cultural moment in your life in terms 825 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: of movies, television, theater, Tony's music, something in your immediate 826 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: cultural experience that made you become Jeremy Biler. What was that? 827 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: I think for me it was the movie Titanic. I 828 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: think it's the nineties. I'm like fifteen years old and 829 00:43:53,239 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: like the idea that like that my personal boyfriend Leonard 830 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: DiCaprio would be in a movie that's like about I 831 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: feel like I've always kind of also been just like 832 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of a like forty five year old 833 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: dad who likes history and like, so the idea that 834 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: like this is t wait a minute, this is like 835 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: a bygone era of like glamour and a tale of 836 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: like high class, low class upstairs downstairs, and it's on 837 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: this wreck, like this ship sang. It is so personal 838 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: to me and it felt like that was my Like 839 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: I had a personal relationship with Leo DiCaprio. But the 840 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: idea that that was like so so popular and so 841 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: big and so everywhere it was. It's actually like it 842 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: was like almost confusing to me that like this thing 843 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: that feels like mine is everybody's. And I had like 844 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: the double the double VHS. It's like has like it's 845 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: like holding like the weight of a Bible, you know. 846 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: It's like I remember the ca Sto drop of the 847 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: of the w VHS and just shelves and shelves of 848 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: Titanic and everyone just like snatching these fucking cassettes. It's 849 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: so that was such a moment, like the yeah, the 850 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: release of it all, like the imagine what doing press 851 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,720 Speaker 1: for that was like Jesus Christ, probably two straight years 852 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: of NonStop Titanic press. That that that like Leo and 853 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: Kate and James Cameron were doing like and the whole 854 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: cast basic yeah, and they were. They were international, Like 855 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what that experience was like, what 856 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: that journey was like, to the point where like I 857 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: almost feel like I completely understand both of them, like 858 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: afterwards not being like I'm going to do the next 859 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: huge thing, like basically they offered Kate Winslet Shakespeare in 860 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: Love on a platter, and she was like, no, I 861 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: am not doing it, Like I am not doing another 862 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: big thing, even if it's like a slam dunk oscar Win, 863 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: even if I'm right for it, or even I would 864 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: even want to do it, I'm not. And Leo too 865 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: did like that weird movie The Beach instead of like 866 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,760 Speaker 1: probably anything else, like well, both of them are real actors, 867 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: are like thought that they could be. And so they 868 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: were like, let me not continue this grand journey because everything, 869 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: like you just said, everything about it was so grand, 870 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was, it was. It was strangely 871 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: meaningful to me. Can you like go one concentric circle 872 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: in and can you pinpoint it to Leo specifically or 873 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: does Leo have to go with Titanic? Yeah, what's the 874 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: sense memory you get from talking about it, like what 875 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: do you smell? It's like a little bit it's for 876 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: sure a little bit sexual, whatever the sense for. It's 877 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,959 Speaker 1: like it's like a little bit like Okay, this, yeah, 878 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: this is a feeling I want more of. I am 879 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: Kate Winslet this is happening to me. I will like 880 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: I will run down to the lower decks and like 881 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: swim through the water and like chop off the like 882 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: the handcuffs with like and I am stunning and I 883 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,879 Speaker 1: will survive. But don't you think that like when when 884 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: when Rose was kissing and licking Jack's fingers in the car, 885 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: that you were kissing and licking Jack's fingers in the 886 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,800 Speaker 1: car and he could smell the sweat after the handprint, 887 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, like I was, yeah, I was in that 888 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: old car and you could kind of hear the creaking 889 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: of the ship and then I but I also feel 890 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: like I don't know if it's the one thing that 891 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: I can pinpoint because there's also and this is almost 892 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: sexual too, there's also like I'm really into like machinery 893 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: and like big things and also like things in history, 894 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: like I truly am and like mostation and so like 895 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: I not only was obsessed with the Titanic movie. I 896 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,399 Speaker 1: also had this CD ROM like first person video game 897 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,879 Speaker 1: like on my power map that was like going through 898 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: the Titanic, So I also knew like the map of 899 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,919 Speaker 1: the Titanic and the floors and just something about like 900 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: the machine and it was like it was like I 901 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: had an orgasm with Leo and then like double when 902 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: it's like when the captains like engage these engines, it's 903 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 1: like that that whole thing. I don't know why. It's 904 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: the it's the perfect convergence of all your interests, which 905 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: is Leo, history, machinery, glamour, glamour. Titanic was the container 906 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: for too many amazing things that people love and nothing 907 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: will be bigger than it in the Cure and there 908 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: will never be a greater director than the great James Cameron, 909 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: and the fact that the fact that his his like 910 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: most iconic follow up to Titanic is something that had 911 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: to they had to invent new technology for and there's 912 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: gonna be seven of and it's like just as long 913 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: and just as crazy and just as like going for 914 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: it in terms of emotion, even though we can all 915 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: agree like like no one will care, No one will care, 916 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: as much, but like we will be They're like I'll 917 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: buy a ticket to Avatar or nine for sure. But 918 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,720 Speaker 1: it's just like that the only thing that could top 919 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: Titanic is to like literally leave this world and go 920 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: to another one and create like another thing, because this 921 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: was maximalism. The house down it was because you talk 922 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: about like it got little kids or teens at the 923 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 1: time to literally learn just the nuts and bolts of 924 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: how this thing sank. I remember having a and splicit 925 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,400 Speaker 1: understanding of what happened when the iceberg scraped the side, 926 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 1: how the water filled all those containers, how why they 927 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: were on and it could only cover five watertight doors 928 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: but not the six. Yes, and it goes over the 929 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: six then she'll break in half, yes, which she did, 930 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: which she did, which she did. And also the the 931 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: I remember like reading up on the decision making that 932 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: was like essentially those life boats were really just for show. 933 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: There were not enough, like they never stood a chance, 934 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: and like the the like ego centrism of like you know, 935 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: what was it um John Jacob astar Um, you know, 936 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: and like all of that, Like I just knowing these 937 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: names and like researching the characters in terms of who 938 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: they were based on and can get in contrast of 939 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,800 Speaker 1: how they were portrayed, etcetera. The Victor Garber of it all. 940 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just so you you couldn't read 941 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: or know enough about. And I feel like it was 942 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: also so smart because it was like it existed in 943 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,399 Speaker 1: that space of like this is an awful tragedy where 944 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: you can watch people like screaming and like praying for 945 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: their lives and like fully hurt die, but like far 946 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: enough away and far enough gone that it's like entertaining 947 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 1: or something, or like there's something like it's somehow can 948 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: be also entertaining and you can like eat popcorn during it. 949 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: Like it's not like you know what I mean, I 950 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: don't know. Just the Titanic, guess the only trash that 951 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: lives in that's the thing. But at the time there 952 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 1: were fully survivors, Like there's no longer any survivors now, 953 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,240 Speaker 1: like they're all gone, but at the time of the release, 954 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: like people that had been on that trip were alive, 955 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: but they but they saw the movie as Wow, like 956 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: what an incredible thing that like and we can speak 957 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: to this experience. I feel like that was no one 958 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: spoke out against it, right, I don't know, I wondered, 959 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: because remember this is a time when the media was 960 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: much more controlled by but by what they wanted the 961 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,960 Speaker 1: narrative to be. So I don't know that everyone felt 962 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,240 Speaker 1: like that. I would actually be hard pressed to believe 963 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: that every single person that was on that ship was like, Wow, 964 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: what a commemoration and not an honor. What an honor 965 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: to have Leo do that by Jeremy's right though, because 966 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean not to bring this up, but like, there 967 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 1: were a few people who like sent me messages after 968 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,759 Speaker 1: I did the Iceberg on update. They were like, that's 969 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,880 Speaker 1: that's how Jesus And I'm like, okay, a ship and 970 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: and but I like, I was just like, I think 971 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: I think with that like that, I think you're right. 972 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: It's like it's just like we we all ate popcorn 973 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,920 Speaker 1: and like jerked off to a movie about this, you know, 974 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: Like I think there's been enough distance from it now, 975 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: and if there is such a thing, I don't know. 976 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: I just there's not. There's not. I mean, tragedy is 977 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,480 Speaker 1: always tray tragedy, and it's a mystery to me. I 978 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: don't mean to interrupt you, sorry, I just no, no, no no, 979 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't I was throwing it over to you. I'm 980 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,880 Speaker 1: like right like like like like this is what you're saying. 981 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: I think so I think just I don't have the answer, 982 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: but just somehow Titanic, somehow, just that one thing is 983 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 1: like in the pop like people are so fascinated with 984 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: it and it becomes this thing that's like there's probably 985 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,840 Speaker 1: like a ride at Disney that's like Titanic. It's like 986 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: in that kind of space, you know, totally totally um 987 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I just know that it is. 988 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 1: I just I also think something that is so important 989 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,880 Speaker 1: that we have to say is it is such an 990 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,359 Speaker 1: important choice to have her hair be read It is 991 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: such an important shade of hair color because it is 992 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,879 Speaker 1: she I think she's the only person on that ship 993 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: besides her mother who has that color hair, right, like 994 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: like she is the beauty of the ship. She's she's 995 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: literally her name is literally Rose and she's got red hair. 996 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:28,239 Speaker 1: Like even that is just so funny. Like I find 997 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: it incredibly genius. And the script is the mind of 998 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: James call Yeah, but that's another thing too, is like 999 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 1: you almost have to hand it to the script, like 1000 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 1: because we all watch it and we're like l O L. 1001 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: This script is so bad, like like the fact that 1002 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,799 Speaker 1: she's going to be the one that's like, yes, I 1003 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: noticed that there are enough lifeboats nor singable. But that 1004 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,959 Speaker 1: is how you speak to everyone by dumbing it down 1005 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: so much. It's like everyone's gonna get this. It's Star 1006 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: Cruss lovers. He's poor, she's read. They fall in love, 1007 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: they find each other, they finally vocalize it. The ship 1008 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: sinks and it's a tragedy and it's it's it's based 1009 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,400 Speaker 1: in reality. It's like and there's a big song, you know. 1010 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: And the arc is the arc is the first time 1011 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,359 Speaker 1: you see her, she's in a big fucking hat yep, 1012 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: coming out of a car. And then the last time 1013 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,399 Speaker 1: you see her, she's in rags, you know, on the 1014 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 1: s s on the Carpathia looking at the Statue of Liberty. 1015 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,040 Speaker 1: That's that's that's the arc. That is the ark for you, Yes, exactly. 1016 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 1: And she's so miserable, you know, she's just got everything 1017 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: but nothing at the beginning. And you have like the 1018 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 1: great Bill Paxton scenes where like he he occupies such 1019 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: a special place in movies where he's always like walking 1020 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: next to a truck explaining something like how it works, right, 1021 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm just really you buy it rest in peace because 1022 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 1: he's in another one of my favorite maximalist movies of 1023 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 1: the night you twist, twister, twist, I mean, and never 1024 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: forget how how one Hunt relates this, because I remember 1025 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: being a little fag watching the Oscars that year and 1026 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: thinking it's a Titanic is gonna win all the Academy Awards. 1027 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: I can't wait for Kate winsle to win her Oscar 1028 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 1: for her portrayal of Rose. And then Helen Hunt walked 1029 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: up there a TV star and takes the Oscar for 1030 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 1: as good as it gets, which probably, looking back, is 1031 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,760 Speaker 1: the performance of the year. I probably, but I remember 1032 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 1: being so pissed off that that happened to Kate because 1033 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 1: I had attached her. Yeah, where we're not? Were we 1034 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,800 Speaker 1: not devastated that Leo did notch it up to the 1035 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: Oscars that year, not nominated, not even nominated. It was 1036 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: a controversy. It was like really the beginning of the 1037 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: end for him and he he of course, he of 1038 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: course was a prior nominee for his um you know, 1039 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: portrayal of someone with with with mentally handy. He remember 1040 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,399 Speaker 1: that this this is also and I'm gonna I'm gonna 1041 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,400 Speaker 1: use the word and it's just because this is what 1042 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: everyone was at the time. Literally, people in the nineties 1043 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,840 Speaker 1: would just be like and Leonardo DiCaprio's incredibly brave performance 1044 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 1: as a retarded child, like just they just the word 1045 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 1: retarded was being thrown out around so much, Like, so, 1046 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: you played a retarded kid in the movie, and you 1047 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,359 Speaker 1: were so good as being retarded. So can you talk 1048 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,320 Speaker 1: a little bit about how you've studied to be retarded? 1049 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,400 Speaker 1: He was like, well, when I've tried to be retarded, 1050 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: it was just like it was just so funny and 1051 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 1: you would never do it now, and it's such a 1052 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: relic of the past. It's but the fact that he 1053 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 1: he clearly wanted it so bad, you know, for his 1054 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: entire life he has wanted going all the way back 1055 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,680 Speaker 1: to his true youth, when he did truly something that 1056 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 1: you would never do now, which is the most oscar 1057 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: bait thing in Gilbert Grape to like play a mentally 1058 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,480 Speaker 1: handicapped person, which we allowed and allowed and allowed, and 1059 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,399 Speaker 1: it never stopped until he finally got his oscar. Like 1060 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 1: the lengths he would go to get one, so of 1061 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,240 Speaker 1: course he didn't show him this. This is obviously always 1062 00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,240 Speaker 1: been so paramount to him. I never put that together. Oh, 1063 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 1: he's wanted it so bad for soul. Really I didn't. Yeah, 1064 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,359 Speaker 1: that's yeah. I think you're right. Yeah, and I think 1065 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 1: I think we can print that. Yeah, it's printed. It's 1066 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: actually real culture number seventeen. Leonardo. He's wanted, said, um, 1067 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 1: I think I could spend hours talking my Titanic truly. 1068 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's also so many iconic scenes that are 1069 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,200 Speaker 1: only iconic to gay people, such as the scene where 1070 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,520 Speaker 1: um Rose's mother puts her in the corset. Ah. Yeah, 1071 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean you know the line, wait when gone? Our 1072 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 1: choices are never easy gone? Of course I know, of course, 1073 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: I know they's gone. You want me to go back 1074 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: to being a seamstress stress? This is the most iconic couplet. 1075 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: You would see me working, You would see me working here. 1076 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: It is Why are you being so selfish? Selfish? Amazing? 1077 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,360 Speaker 1: The whole scene is absolutely epic. I mean, it's just 1078 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 1: it's just I can't. And Francis Fisher is her name 1079 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 1: of the mother and she never got the credit, never 1080 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 1: got the credit, and she was an amazing episode of 1081 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: Grace Now and during season two amazing episodes of Graz 1082 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 1: season two. Who was She? Who was she? In Gras 1083 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: and season two? Remember remember there was a story at 1084 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: the end of the season where a family of like 1085 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: Hillbillies got hit by a truck and um, you know, 1086 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: the pregnant mother was dying and they had to save 1087 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: the baby. And but Francis was so good at it. 1088 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,880 Speaker 1: That is that is a performance that that she says 1089 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: it lost to the winds. She just lost to the winds. 1090 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 1: I mean, she can't bring it in Titanic. She she 1091 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 1: did to the evil like she served the fucking story. Yeah, well, 1092 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,840 Speaker 1: I just want to say Billy Zane, like, abe, what Jeremy, 1093 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: what's your Billy Zane moment? I for something? I like 1094 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 1: when he was on in the movie, I'd be like, okay, 1095 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking back, like next next you were not. I 1096 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,360 Speaker 1: don't know what I was not. I was not. I 1097 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: was like, I think I didn't both didn't like the character. 1098 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 1: But then I also something was like I don't want 1099 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,200 Speaker 1: to watch this man. I don't know why because he 1100 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 1: wasn't because he was he was, thank you. That's exactly 1101 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 1: probably right. He also slaps her, yes, and people forget 1102 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 1: that he slaps her across the face and screams in 1103 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,760 Speaker 1: her face, flips the table, flips the table a tray 1104 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 1: or something, and it pretends to get out. Yeah, oh god, 1105 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: that's right. Terrible guy. Also at the end, at the end, 1106 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: the stock market crash and he put a he put 1107 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,560 Speaker 1: a bullet in his mouth. He put a pistol in 1108 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: his mouth, like you find out of that. And also 1109 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,640 Speaker 1: like her performance the Old Woman's performance George and Academy 1110 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Award nominee for sitting in a chair and being like yeah, yeah, 1111 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Niconic Titanic even at one point I think it was 1112 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: that as now I don't remember. We never wrote it, 1113 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 1: but it was we had a sketch idea for you know, 1114 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: like the the like the court to string quartet keeps 1115 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,880 Speaker 1: playing as like as the bow goes down. It was 1116 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: like that on the Titanic, and it's thinking that happens, 1117 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,560 Speaker 1: and then he pan over and there's like an improv 1118 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:45,560 Speaker 1: troup that's going to keep doing take a suggestion there 1119 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 1: is so like I'm not actually not surprised, Like it's 1120 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 1: funny that Bowen's iceberg thing popped off so much on SNL. 1121 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I also was doing a Titanic themed bit for years, 1122 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's actually still in my stand up every 1123 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,600 Speaker 1: now and then. I feel a little self conscious doing 1124 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 1: it now because I feel like people are going to 1125 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, here he is doing a good 1126 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,520 Speaker 1: Titanic thing, even after Boonen did the Iceberg, but I 1127 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,960 Speaker 1: hadn't doing this. I will say about the Iceberg, there's 1128 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: no way. It wasn't. Not that there's no way, but 1129 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: it's like it popped off because it's Titanic, because of course, 1130 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: obsessed because of you, because of what you mean. I mean, 1131 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: it's fucking Genia. There is something about being a gay 1132 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 1: person who like is obsessed with this like that you 1133 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,080 Speaker 1: can't help but think of like sketch situations around it. 1134 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: Like I remember I had written a bunch of Titanic 1135 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 1: team sketches in college when I was in Hammercats with Sudi, 1136 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,080 Speaker 1: And then in my stand up, I do like like 1137 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: a gay guy who was like convinced to go to 1138 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: on the Titanic with his like gay friends for their 1139 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: cruise trap and he wanted so badly to be on 1140 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: the Mauritania because it had better night life and enough 1141 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 1: life boats and there weren't gonna be kids, and now 1142 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 1: here they are sinking, and like he's so piste off 1143 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,400 Speaker 1: that he's so cold, even though he said this was 1144 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 1: not the boat, and like he's just so pissed off 1145 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,400 Speaker 1: because like the violinists are playing and you can't even 1146 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: dance to this music. It's so it's so fucked up, 1147 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,400 Speaker 1: and he's just mad at his gay friends. But I 1148 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,000 Speaker 1: remember like being on like a like a gay trip, 1149 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: like it was like a Palm Springs trip or whatever, 1150 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,320 Speaker 1: and like those little squabbles that pop up a hashtag 1151 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 1: Fire Island and thinking like what about a group of 1152 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,840 Speaker 1: gays that were on the Titanic together thinking it would 1153 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 1: be fun and it's just like like they tried to 1154 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,280 Speaker 1: say third class and now they're like an absolutely sink, 1155 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: and like fucking why they Leo didn't even talk to them. 1156 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 1: There had to be one gay group on the Titanic. 1157 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: The gays on the Titanic were so fucking pissed, Like 1158 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,960 Speaker 1: Oscar Wild and boy Douglas Okay he said, he's a history. Okay, 1159 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: here he is. We we're going to figure out if 1160 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,000 Speaker 1: his last name was less or not. But in the 1161 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,840 Speaker 1: meantime we're gonna do I don't think so, honey, And 1162 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,959 Speaker 1: this is our sort of iconic segment, Jeremy, Um, where 1163 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,280 Speaker 1: we sort of pop off for one minute and you've 1164 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,720 Speaker 1: done it. You've done a live show. I've seen you 1165 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: t we do sixty seconds of cant believe I get 1166 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: to witness the two of you doing this right now 1167 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,960 Speaker 1: and see your face's privileged. Sorry, go ahead, prepared to prepare. 1168 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Um always so um, Okay, I have one want you 1169 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,520 Speaker 1: want to go first today because I think I need 1170 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,840 Speaker 1: a second? Yeah, I have one waits has been real 1171 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,840 Speaker 1: popped off? No, okay, there's been no real That's okay, 1172 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: thank god, Okay, thank god. Um, but I was really 1173 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,440 Speaker 1: nervous there because I've been so engaged in the conversation. 1174 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,439 Speaker 1: I almost forgot to be real. I was being real here. 1175 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 1: We were too busy being real here to be real 1176 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 1: over there. And sometimes that's going to happen with the adamit. 1177 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 1: Do you have be real, Jeremy? No? In fact, I um, 1178 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: I truly didn't know what the funk you were talking about. 1179 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,960 Speaker 1: And I, as we were talking beforehand, I google it 1180 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 1: and I look at it now and I I'm seeing 1181 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it like literally as we speak and 1182 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 1: are you not in it's not for me, it's not 1183 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 1: for you. I think I think it's for everyone because 1184 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 1: it actually like it solves so many problems that are 1185 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,080 Speaker 1: so like disgusting about social media, about Instagram specifically, where 1186 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: it's like it feels to like it's a brochure. Yes, 1187 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 1: it's a brochure, and so be real. It's just like 1188 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: you see how boring you see how everyone is just 1189 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 1: as boring as you are. I'm gonna get on it. 1190 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat my words actually and get on it. 1191 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,480 Speaker 1: And I definitely am entreated. I don't want to pressure, 1192 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 1: like control over my image is like very very scary 1193 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: to me. I get I understand it's benething with people. 1194 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm not interested in that. Okay, Okay, 1195 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,560 Speaker 1: then maybe it isn't for you, But I think I 1196 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,040 Speaker 1: think it could be liberating. Like I found it very liberating, 1197 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,120 Speaker 1: and and so you felt like you follow people and 1198 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,880 Speaker 1: they follow you and then and it's so so what 1199 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. So every there's a there's a time, 1200 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,600 Speaker 1: a random time that every single day where it goes 1201 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,640 Speaker 1: you have two minutes to po it's your be real, 1202 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,480 Speaker 1: and it's a front facing camera shot and your face 1203 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 1: camera shot, and so and so you just wherever you are. 1204 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,400 Speaker 1: It's so nice too. And everyone was looking to feed 1205 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,840 Speaker 1: the same time of each other's be reals as people 1206 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,000 Speaker 1: walking down the street or cooking or just sitting around 1207 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 1: their house. It's just it's just it's actually, that's actually 1208 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,600 Speaker 1: kind of genius. So genius. You're gonna love the way 1209 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,760 Speaker 1: you look, guarantee it. This is I don't think so, honey. 1210 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,520 Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Us 1211 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,920 Speaker 1: not getting to see Darcy and Perry fuck, and I 1212 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 1: love that for you. You just see them make out 1213 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,800 Speaker 1: and kiss and that's it. I wanted to see these 1214 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,720 Speaker 1: two hot. My friend is hot and John O Wilson 1215 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 1: is hot. White men? Fuck, why can't you give that stile? 1216 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to see that. And then you and then 1217 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,320 Speaker 1: you get Matt Rodgers taping up a box with a 1218 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,960 Speaker 1: smile on his space in the next scene, no show 1219 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,920 Speaker 1: me skin flapping on skin. I want, I want, I 1220 01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,600 Speaker 1: want these two men to work with it into these 1221 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,800 Speaker 1: into MS coordinator and have a good time and respecting 1222 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,880 Speaker 1: others boundaries. And Jono Wilson I met him very briefly 1223 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,000 Speaker 1: at a screening once. He was so lovely. I just want. 1224 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,480 Speaker 1: I want more Jona screen time in addition to more 1225 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,600 Speaker 1: Matt Roger screen time. I can't wait to see how 1226 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,440 Speaker 1: this story ends up. I can't see. I can't wait 1227 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,720 Speaker 1: to see where the story ends. Um, but I just 1228 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,080 Speaker 1: give us five set scenes in TV. It's showtime. Come on, 1229 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,480 Speaker 1: it's a Hunter parishes ass every season on fucking Weeds, 1230 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: and that's I have to agree, honestly, what my my 1231 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,720 Speaker 1: dream for a season two is just it opens on uh, 1232 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,440 Speaker 1: Perry and Dar fucking just parts, just body parts, fucking 1233 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,880 Speaker 1: for an unbroken five minute shot, and have to have 1234 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,120 Speaker 1: Bethan there. Why not just if if it's like, oh, 1235 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 1: we can't have two guys like we can have anal, 1236 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,120 Speaker 1: then like have like one of we can't have anal. 1237 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,160 Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually in my track essentially in my 1238 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,680 Speaker 1: showtime contract that I have to show my ass if 1239 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,959 Speaker 1: you ask. Okay, So I'm just saying yeah. I spoke 1240 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,120 Speaker 1: with my lawyer about it. They were like, you have 1241 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,960 Speaker 1: to show your ass a showtime and I was I 1242 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:18,640 Speaker 1: was like, I'm good with it, but my my I 1243 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,600 Speaker 1: have many hopes and dreams for That's my contract, right. 1244 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: I remember reading in the script that that was going 1245 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,640 Speaker 1: to happen and we were like, we're going to shoot it. 1246 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,600 Speaker 1: And I remember coming to you and I think you 1247 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,320 Speaker 1: remember this, I asked you. I was like, so, do 1248 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: you think that they fuck in this product closet? And 1249 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,720 Speaker 1: then you were like, I think that they do, like everything, 1250 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,360 Speaker 1: but fucking I think that, like they don't fuck explicitly, 1251 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 1: but like I think they have a good time. And 1252 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,800 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, cool, and I just have to 1253 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 1: like fill in the blanks for myself, like and what 1254 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: happened and that I had a fun I had a 1255 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 1: fun time doing that. I like I pictured it that 1256 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,000 Speaker 1: it was like that. It's like that moment where you 1257 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,560 Speaker 1: finally which I definitely like in college had with somebody 1258 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,760 Speaker 1: in a scare well or something where you're like we 1259 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,720 Speaker 1: are going to go there and this is not the 1260 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:09,480 Speaker 1: place right now, but like this is hot TBD. What 1261 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,520 Speaker 1: what's what's background? Was he like a is he comedy guy? 1262 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:22,439 Speaker 1: Did he done? Great? He's a fucking genius. He really 1263 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,720 Speaker 1: is so funny and he's so he's just so good 1264 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,880 Speaker 1: at the character and he's great energy to the point 1265 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,479 Speaker 1: where like I remember, like we shot a scene earlier 1266 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,800 Speaker 1: in the season where it was just like get me 1267 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: getting like a video testimonial for him from Ally's characters, 1268 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,200 Speaker 1: like Anniversary. I remember we went back and forth a 1269 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,960 Speaker 1: couple of times, and like I did have a little 1270 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,840 Speaker 1: bit of butterflies in my stomach because I do think 1271 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,320 Speaker 1: he's so funny and handsome. And I walked away and 1272 01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,080 Speaker 1: Jesse Klein came over to me and she was like, 1273 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,000 Speaker 1: I think there was a little bit of chemistry there, 1274 01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, do you think? And then I 1275 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,679 Speaker 1: didn't think about it until the end of the season, 1276 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,160 Speaker 1: and then I truly like had such a friend crush 1277 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,800 Speaker 1: on him. I loved him so much. And then I 1278 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,720 Speaker 1: read in the script that it was gonna happen, and 1279 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,000 Speaker 1: I remember my stomach went to my feet because I 1280 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Oh no, I hope he's 1281 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,240 Speaker 1: like cool with this. I hope he doesn't like mind like, 1282 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,720 Speaker 1: because he's a strict guy. You know, I've never I've 1283 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:17,000 Speaker 1: never done kissed, and he was like, no, I've never 1284 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,040 Speaker 1: done it on screen kiss before, and he was my 1285 01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,200 Speaker 1: first on screen kiss, and so I was just like, 1286 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, Like I was so nervous. I was 1287 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,400 Speaker 1: really nervous. Man. It's so funny. It's so it's just 1288 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 1: it's so funny. I love it too. Well, that's that's 1289 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:36,160 Speaker 1: my I don't think Mack, you have one. Yeah, sure, okay, 1290 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,160 Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His 1291 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Top Gone, Maverick, Mama. 1292 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,280 Speaker 1: I really tried super hard for this, Honestly, I don't. 1293 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,920 Speaker 1: I think it takes a really long time to get good, 1294 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,240 Speaker 1: and I am standing. But the thing is, like, I 1295 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. The fact that they had like 1296 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,240 Speaker 1: this like beach volleyball scene that they tried to recreate 1297 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,479 Speaker 1: with like a beach football scene, and it was nearly 1298 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: gay enough. The thing that's so good about Top Gun 1299 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,200 Speaker 1: is you have that insane scene event playing beach volleyball 1300 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,920 Speaker 1: and their greased up and the men are so fucking 1301 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: hot and the camera lingers on their body and it 1302 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,040 Speaker 1: feels homo erotic. Was this I don't think, so, honey. 1303 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,719 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's because now Tom Cruise 1304 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,080 Speaker 1: all in his head about being called gay like so 1305 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: many years later, and he wasn't in his head about 1306 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,120 Speaker 1: it then. But the fact is like the cuts were 1307 01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,599 Speaker 1: so short and sharp, and you didn't get to linger 1308 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,679 Speaker 1: on the hottest men in America j Ellis, Glenn Powell, 1309 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,559 Speaker 1: Miles Teller, and you're gonna float away from them. No, 1310 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I needed more. I needed more. 1311 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 1: I needed more of Jennifer Connelly, like with her perfect 1312 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,639 Speaker 1: hair after a sailboating. I needed more. It wasn't gay 1313 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,240 Speaker 1: enough for me. I don't think so, honey. The thing 1314 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: about Top Gun is it's like it's like a gay 1315 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,120 Speaker 1: homo erotic movie on top of being frustrate red, and 1316 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: that's what brought everyone together to enjoy it, mono culture. 1317 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 1: And I just feel like the thing that was missing 1318 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,320 Speaker 1: was like I was watching it the whole time, waiting 1319 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,479 Speaker 1: for the climax, and then in the process of watching 1320 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,720 Speaker 1: and I'm like, where's the gay ship? You know what 1321 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean? And like just having the Lady Gaga score 1322 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,080 Speaker 1: in the background is not enough. Like I wanted more 1323 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,080 Speaker 1: visceral homo erotic ship. That is what brings me to 1324 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Top Gun, and and as a result, Top go on 1325 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,960 Speaker 1: Maverick and I feel like they chicken out of it. Yeah, 1326 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,000 Speaker 1: you have a good you have a decent point. Yeah, 1327 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,479 Speaker 1: but I loved the movie. Yes you loved it? I did, Yes, 1328 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,439 Speaker 1: what did you like about it? I just love Tom Cruise. 1329 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,400 Speaker 1: I love Tom cres. I think he's a perfect movie star. Um, 1330 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:35,679 Speaker 1: he's got so much going on. He makes the most simple, 1331 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,400 Speaker 1: like ridiculous little things feel so high stakes, like one 1332 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,360 Speaker 1: minute it's it's And the way he listens and he's 1333 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,840 Speaker 1: sort of like clenching his jaw when he's listening and 1334 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,840 Speaker 1: you see a little like muscles in the side of 1335 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,120 Speaker 1: Space movie. He's just so so in the world of 1336 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,960 Speaker 1: make believe that you're like, you can't help but only 1337 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,960 Speaker 1: believe the reality that he's presenting to There's no way 1338 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,479 Speaker 1: to look away from it. Totally. I think the last 1339 01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,840 Speaker 1: great Tom Cruise movie I saw it was unfortunately, Edge 1340 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,720 Speaker 1: of Tomorrow, and that was like ages ago. Well, that's fantastic. 1341 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,360 Speaker 1: The thing about Tom Cruise is he is a great actor, 1342 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,679 Speaker 1: and you actually, as an actor, can learn a lot 1343 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,720 Speaker 1: from watching him because because he is so crazy that 1344 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,479 Speaker 1: he is like an active listener and everything feels very 1345 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 1: watchable when he's on screen because he is so in it. 1346 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,840 Speaker 1: My problem is not with him, and I understood, I 1347 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,640 Speaker 1: understand that in Dragging Top Gun Maverick, you sort of 1348 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,400 Speaker 1: do drag Tom Cruise because he is so involved in 1349 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the fabric of making it like it's everything is always 1350 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,000 Speaker 1: a Tom Cruise production, etcetera. But for me, it's just 1351 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,960 Speaker 1: like I feel the movie shied away from one of 1352 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,240 Speaker 1: the elements that, whether they want to admit it or not, 1353 01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: made it really great, and you want to see j 1354 01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,439 Speaker 1: Ellis great stuff like kind of wrestling with another good 1355 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,519 Speaker 1: with Glenn or something. And also too many characters, like 1356 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,759 Speaker 1: just too many characters that I didn't I didn't care about, 1357 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,080 Speaker 1: like j Ellis's character at all. I didn't really when 1358 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: Glenn Powell ex oiler alert seconds eeen seconds when Glenn 1359 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,960 Speaker 1: Powell comes in and like saves the day at the end, 1360 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,320 Speaker 1: Like I get that he and Miles Teller like had 1361 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,400 Speaker 1: like a like a like a rivalry that sort of 1362 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 1: mirrors the one that Val Kilmer had with Tom earlier, 1363 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,759 Speaker 1: but like it wasn't lived in enough, Like I didn't 1364 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,439 Speaker 1: feel the stakes of it. I also really don't like 1365 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,599 Speaker 1: and this should have been in the I don't think so, honey, 1366 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,559 Speaker 1: But I don't like what they did with the Meg 1367 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,519 Speaker 1: Ryan character, Like she dies off screen they barely mentioned her, 1368 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 1: and I feel like it was giving sexism that they 1369 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,120 Speaker 1: didn't have her back. And also, like, what happened to 1370 01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,200 Speaker 1: Kelly McGillis what happened to her character? I know she 1371 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,920 Speaker 1: wasn't asked either. They just like moved on with Jennifer Connolly, 1372 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,280 Speaker 1: who's like, I guess character's name is mentioned in the original. 1373 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,519 Speaker 1: But that's not really enough for me. I wanted a 1374 01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,439 Speaker 1: little bit more connection to the original, for the gays 1375 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,080 Speaker 1: and for the women who also enjoy top gun. This 1376 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,040 Speaker 1: movie was aggressively hetero in a way that I feel 1377 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 1: was like hetero drag fun maximalism, but the grandeur of 1378 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,240 Speaker 1: the homo eroticism I was missing, and I thought that 1379 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,840 Speaker 1: they could have made that gesture. They would have been 1380 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,080 Speaker 1: amazing if like when John Hamm walks up to him 1381 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 1: on the beach, is like, we have like one week 1382 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,240 Speaker 1: left for training. What what are you out here playing football? 1383 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,559 Speaker 1: What are you doing? He's like, you want a team, 1384 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,559 Speaker 1: there's your team. You just cut to them and it's 1385 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:16,600 Speaker 1: just full orgy. Just yeah, exactly exactly. That could have 1386 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,160 Speaker 1: been great, Thank you. So it is time for Jeremy 1387 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,160 Speaker 1: Byler's I don't think so. Honey, are you ready, sir? Okay, 1388 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm ready, Okay, Jeremy Butler's I don't think so, honey. 1389 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 1: His time it starts now, Okay, I don't think so, honey. 1390 01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,400 Speaker 1: QR code menus okay. And this is a phenomenon that 1391 01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,720 Speaker 1: has been has made it to Europe. I think we 1392 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:44,960 Speaker 1: have read you cannot catch COVID from a piece of paper. 1393 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,639 Speaker 1: I want hand me a piece of I don't want to. 1394 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to click through to the to the 1395 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,679 Speaker 1: correct tails and then click back to the appetizers. Can 1396 01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,920 Speaker 1: I please like order like a ferrata or or like 1397 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,640 Speaker 1: an avocado without having to use face I D and 1398 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:12,599 Speaker 1: by the way, classes okay, uh ages, okay, my parents 1399 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,080 Speaker 1: are know how to use a QR code. Not everybody 1400 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,759 Speaker 1: is on the tim cook tea like flowing your thumbs 1401 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,840 Speaker 1: on a little like little rectangle of glass all day 1402 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,040 Speaker 1: like a fucking t rex. Can I just want a 1403 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,480 Speaker 1: warm glow? I want to be with my my husband's fellowshipping. 1404 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't want blue light. This is not a blue 1405 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,720 Speaker 1: light place. I don't think so. And that's you know what? 1406 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,240 Speaker 1: That was topical, timely and truthful. Thank you. Well, there 1407 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: was a real anger within me. All you want is 1408 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,680 Speaker 1: your husband and fellowship? Is that what you said? Gorgeous 1409 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,360 Speaker 1: fellowshipping friends? You know, just a candle light glow? And 1410 01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,320 Speaker 1: is there anything more relatable than a complaint about a restaurant? Absolutely, 1411 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,559 Speaker 1: we all understand that this time. But here's the thing. 1412 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,320 Speaker 1: You are so correct. You can't get COVID from it now. 1413 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,599 Speaker 1: It's like you know what's going on. It's like, oh wow, 1414 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,720 Speaker 1: we've really like reduced the like wasting paper, the footprint, 1415 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,800 Speaker 1: and now I don't think we will ever go back. 1416 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,679 Speaker 1: I think that's one of those things that with COVID 1417 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,880 Speaker 1: has changed forever. I really do. Is it also the restaurants? 1418 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,919 Speaker 1: Is it restaurants being like, oh, this is just easier, 1419 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,120 Speaker 1: like maybe we have to do anything. We just like 1420 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,720 Speaker 1: take this to the table and then we put it 1421 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,519 Speaker 1: online and like whatever. Like it's I guess it's more 1422 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,439 Speaker 1: tedious to have the menus, but it does for me. 1423 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,760 Speaker 1: It takes away from the service aspect a little bit. 1424 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I want I want to be like 1425 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I want for someone to reach over me and hand 1426 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,320 Speaker 1: me something or take some one and hand me a 1427 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,000 Speaker 1: thing that's been that's been printed in my It is 1428 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,519 Speaker 1: just it's a lot to negotiate, like like the scrolling 1429 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,519 Speaker 1: back and forth between like brunch, lunch, dinner, drinks. It's 1430 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,040 Speaker 1: like to be able to like check your email while 1431 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:52,120 Speaker 1: you're ordering. But you know, it's, yeah, I'm happy, like 1432 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,080 Speaker 1: I've been trying to, like notice when I have like 1433 01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,880 Speaker 1: little feelings like deep within and when I pull out, 1434 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, when I pull out the take the QR code, 1435 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 1: it's like there's something happening, something happening right, and you 1436 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,760 Speaker 1: let that out. I'm so glad, and I wonder thank 1437 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,240 Speaker 1: you for thank you for affording me the opportunity. I 1438 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,960 Speaker 1: hope that restaurants here, this restaurant matters here. This I 1439 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,640 Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the industry listen to 1440 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,880 Speaker 1: this podcast, and I what I want is I want 1441 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,479 Speaker 1: people to start unionizing, shaking things up at their restaurant. 1442 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,000 Speaker 1: I want servers, bus boys, bar backs. You guys are 1443 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,320 Speaker 1: the backbone of these restaurants. So it's your voice that matters. 1444 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Let's during the next staff meeting, let's say something, okay something, 1445 01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,400 Speaker 1: Let's make this bottom up. Okay, Let's make this bottom up, 1446 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,439 Speaker 1: not top down, top down, bottom up. This has been 1447 01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,400 Speaker 1: a top down, bottom up, absolutely fantastic episode of Lost 1448 01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:44,080 Speaker 1: culturest this Jeremy, Oh my god, thank you so much, 1449 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,479 Speaker 1: thank you for inviting me here, Jeremy. It was a 1450 01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,240 Speaker 1: lot of fun the best. I feel like I got 1451 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,439 Speaker 1: called to the to like the fun the fun person table, 1452 01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:59,840 Speaker 1: Like I really feel was it fun? Fume? Do you guys, 1453 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,920 Speaker 1: do you gonna have fun anymore? Doing these we have? 1454 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,519 Speaker 1: We always have fun. But you're in Spain while your 1455 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,559 Speaker 1: husband is like in the yard, Like that sounds like 1456 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,400 Speaker 1: more fun to me. Well, but here's the thing. We're 1457 01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,800 Speaker 1: parked for like a long for like weeks. I'm like, 1458 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm having all my long days reading my books. Now 1459 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,559 Speaker 1: is my moment to like connect with the real world 1460 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,200 Speaker 1: and see people that I love. And uh, this was 1461 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:29,080 Speaker 1: actually perfect And I'm gonna go, oh my god, your 1462 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:34,080 Speaker 1: gorgeous husband god in Spain, what the aspirational life? Um? Well, 1463 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,680 Speaker 1: we love you so much. And the season finale of 1464 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,040 Speaker 1: I Love That for You is airing this weekend. You 1465 01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,640 Speaker 1: can stream it on Friday and then forever and you 1466 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,240 Speaker 1: can watch it when it airs linear on Sunday at 1467 01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:49,520 Speaker 1: eight thirty on Showtime. But this has been great, Thank you, motherfucker, 1468 01:18:49,800 --> 01:19:11,759 Speaker 1: and every episode with the song yeah go to listen 1469 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,880 Speaker 1: to the rest of that. You can get the VHS 1470 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,439 Speaker 1: tape of Titanics away in your parents closet somewhere and 1471 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,920 Speaker 1: sort of fast forward to the end of the second 1472 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: cassette and wait for their credits by