1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w. Chuck, Brian over there aloha. 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Uh and Jerry's out there somewhere aloha. And um, this 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: is Stuff you should Know. How Melaka laki laka that's announced. Yeah, 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: that's actually a little known fact. That's the Hawaiian way 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: to say Merry Christmas to you. I didn't know the story, 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: by the way, this is pretty interesting. Um yeah, yeah, 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: I have to say, Chuck. Before we get started. We 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: have to give a huge shout out huge to a dude. 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't know his name, but he's on Instagram as 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: people Kanaka Kai. Okay, well maybe that's his name, so 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: what maybe so? Or it could be Kai Kanaka who knows. 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: He calls himself the Hawaiian Hillbilly, but he had is 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: every time we post an episode, he goes on and 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: comments Hawaiian overthrow episode please. He's been doing it for 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: like years, So Kanaka Kai, this one is for you man, 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: and that long last and now he doesn't have to 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: jump into the big woo right. So what I'm hoping though, 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: is that he's not like super well versed in this 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: is just going to be inevitably disappointed. Hopefully, it's just 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: something he wants to know more about, so he's been 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: asking for it for that one. Well, I'm glad he 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: trolld us for years because this is a really interesting 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: and not at all surprising story. No it's not. And um, 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: basically what we're talking about today is the overthrow of Hawaii. 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: And it turns out that Hawaii one of the most 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: beautiful states in the Union, probably the most beautiful state 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: in the Union, the state where you me and I 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: got married. In fact, sure, sure, if you're into tropical paradise, 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: is there's not much better. Somebody for Montana might be like, 32 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: you can have it with these mountains. Although I could 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: see Montana people going to Hawaiian being like, I've been wrong, 34 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: so wrong all my life and these boots are really uncomfortable. Right. So, um, 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: it is a beautiful state. But if you go back 36 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: not too very far, you will find that, um, there's 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: a lot of arguments you could make that it should 38 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: not be a state in any way, shape or form. Yeah, 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: and I'm curious about the about the current temperature of 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: native Hawaiian people and how they feel about that now. Yeah, yeah, 41 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that eventually. Do you know, I 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: don't know about the temperature of the Hawaiian people, but 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: I know about some some proposals to help kind of 44 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: reverse r undo some of the damage. I understood. That's 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: for the end. Well, I guess we should go back 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: some many thousands of years and talk about the settling 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: of the Hawaiian islands by the Polynesian people about you know, 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: years ago, maybe a thousand years ago, somewhere in there. 49 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: And for many, many hundreds of years there were the 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: control of of Hawaii was by chiefs and then sub chiefs, 51 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: and these chiefs claimed that they were divine in origin, 52 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: and they said, we have a set of very strict 53 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: religious um rules that we should follow, called the cop Who, 54 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: And that you know wasn't so popular over the years. 55 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: Well it depends. I mean, like if you were born 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: into that society and that was what you knew, that 57 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: was just what you knew. But I get the impression 58 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: that over the centuries some chiefs and sub chiefs enforced 59 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: the cop Who more than others. And um. One of 60 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: the big bases of the cop Who laws, is that 61 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: there was a strict separation of men and women, and 62 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: men were divine and women were profane, and that they 63 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: represented kind of like light and dark and you have 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: to have you can't have one without the others, so 65 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: they need each other. But also men were still definitely 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: favorite and respect. But then if you also go look 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: through Hawaiian history, there are also plenty of female rulers 68 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: as well, so it's a it's really interesting. Kapu could 69 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: probably get its own episode, and I'm sure now we 70 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: know what Kanaka Kai will be commenting on all on. 71 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: But it was so they had their own like very 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: strict social um stratification and religious laws for sure. Yeah. 73 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: I think if Emily heard that, she would say, Chuck 74 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: is not divine, but I am profane, So we're halfway there, right. 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: Non profane women rarely make history. So speaking of making history, 76 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: this is where a man named James Cook enters the picture. 77 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: In the late seventeen hundreds, the very famous British explorer. 78 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: He was the most notable. Uh, some people say the 79 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: first European to visit Hawaii. UM, definitely the most notable 80 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: because there is some um. You could make an argument 81 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: that the Spanish were there before him at some point. Yeah, 82 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: they have maps that appear to be Hawaii from like 83 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: the sixteenth country. Yeah, so the Japanese as well. But um, 84 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: Cook was the first person to go as an Englishman, 85 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: which was a big deal as a colonizer and say, 86 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm charting this island or these islands, are going to 87 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: name them the Sandwich Islands. Not a great name now, 88 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: because well James Cook was well known for loving sandwiches, 89 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: so sure he was so crazy actually that it was 90 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: named for the Earl of Sandwich, John Montague. It's the 91 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: very same Earl of Sandwich though the sandwiches are named for, 92 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: So that guy was really he was an influencer in 93 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: Hawaii's known for their sandwiches. Yeah, poise sandwiches. So Cook visits, Uh, 94 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: he visits a few times, um, and kind of did 95 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: a lot of traveling while he was there. So he 96 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: he makes one visit and then just starts sort of 97 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: exploring the islands around Hawaii. Eventually comes back kind of 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: on that same trip and gets really aggressive at that point. Um, 99 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: not a nice fellow, trying to do sort of the 100 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: the colonizer thing here. Let me make a deal with you. Um, 101 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: let me trade something that isn't very valuable for something 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: that is very valuable, which is to say, your land, right, Um, 103 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, he was just basically doing the standard euro 104 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: explorer thing, which trash explorer exploitation, trying to get everybody 105 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: into Kraftwick, that whole thing, right. So um, so cook, 106 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: I guess he overstepped his bounds finally and he was 107 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: actually killed in a major battle, um after some of 108 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: his his men kidnapped um a Hawaiian chief. Well, he 109 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: he did it personally from what I saw, was that right, 110 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: okay said by his own hand. Not a good move, 111 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: not a good not a good move, um. Because one 112 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: thing about the Hawaiian islands, they were ruled by those 113 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: chiefs and sub chiefs, like you said. But I get 114 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: the impression that, um, they were, they were united largely 115 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: when it came to the kidnapping of any Hawaiian chief 116 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: by a European outsider. Yeah. Like, you can fight with 117 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: your brother, but if someone else picks on your brother, 118 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: then you gotta you gotta join forces. Who would ever 119 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: pick on Scott? Well? I was thinking of you and me, 120 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: But sure, brother like real brothers too, write well and 121 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: bloods I still have that scar on my palm. I 122 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: actually mine was a squib. I faked it. I thought 123 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: that tasted like a high fruit toast corn. So yeah, 124 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: you're like chuck his sweet blood so sweet like Scott. 125 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, Cook is uh kidnaps this guy. They they 126 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: did not respond very kindly to that, so they sent 127 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: a faction down there too attack him in his boats. 128 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: They were on the beach and that's where he died, 129 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: faced down in in shallow water. He was bonked on 130 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: the head by one chief I think, and then stabbed 131 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: by that chiefs um kind of attendant, right right, So um, 132 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: this is a This is a huge battle, a momentous 133 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: battle in the history of of Hawaii. It was very important, 134 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: and not just because James Cook died, but because there 135 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: was a one of the I guess low level warriors 136 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: there or middle middle class warriors I guess by the 137 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: name of Camea Maya fought quite bravely in that battle, 138 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: and Camea Maya actually went on to become the first 139 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: genuinely influential Hawaiian chief, maybe the most significant Hawaiian chief 140 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: of all time, because while he was there fighting the Europeans, 141 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: He's like man, these guns, they they work really well. 142 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: And you know, these Europeans are willing to sell him 143 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: to you. And he figured out that if he could 144 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: amass some European UM support and European weapons, he could 145 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: get all of Hawaii basically under himself. And that's what 146 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: he said about doing over the course of a couple 147 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: of decades. Yeah, reading this stuff, this was the Grabster 148 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: that helped us with this one. It seems I'm sorry, No, 149 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: it was James Mishner. Oh really, no, you remember James 150 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: Mischner would write those thousand page epics about like I 151 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: think he wrote went on Hawaii basically. But this this crabs. 152 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: So James misterrs this author could write these exhaustive historical fictions, um, 153 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: and one of them was why. But they would be 154 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: like a thousand pages easily. And I was making a 155 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: jokey comment on Grabster's research skills. Yeah, English major over 156 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: here flew right over my head. And by the way, 157 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: a little quick side note that I wanted to mention, 158 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: I am speaking of epic tones. I'm reading the Beatles 159 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: biography from Bob Spitz that's like a thousand pages, and uh, 160 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: one thing I wish we could have mentioned. I know 161 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 1: you hate the Beatles, but one thing I wish we 162 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: could have mentioned in the pirate radio thing was Radio Luxembourg. 163 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: There would have been no Beatles without them because independently, Paul, 164 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: George and John we're all on their own listening to 165 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: Radio Luxembourg and that's what turned them onto that's cool, 166 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: turn me on Radio Luxembourg. And uh wow, I did 167 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: not see the Beatles making an appeance in this episode. 168 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: So where are we now? Oh? I know what I 169 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: was gonna say, was um a thread through this I 170 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: found is that back then, uh Hawaiians were largely under armed. 171 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: In most cases, that's a big thing. And then also, 172 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: just like with all other um colonizations from outside European forces, 173 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: disease basically paved the way for imperialism. Sure where even 174 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: even if they were under armed and they didn't typically 175 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: have standing militaries, um, I should say the Hawaiians didn't 176 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: even if they had. There was like a plague that 177 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: came around in eighteen oh three that killed off half 178 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: of the population. They think it was yellow fever. Um. 179 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: There was another measles outbreak about fifty years later that 180 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: killed off another quarter of the population. So when you're 181 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: dying off in like numbers like this, how could you 182 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: possibly defend yourself, especially against people who have these superior 183 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: weapons like guns, germs, and steel. As Jared Diamond put it, Yeah, 184 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: I mean it's the it's the same story as as 185 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: America and the native population here. You know, it's like, Hi, 186 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: we're outsiders and we have guns, and here's some smallpox. 187 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: But but God decreed that this this should be our 188 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: land because he killed all of you off with these 189 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: small pox right because you have no immunity. It's the 190 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: same depressing story over and over again. It is. Um. 191 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: So when Kameya was was ruling Hawaii, which was really 192 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: he was firmly entrenched by the almost turn of the century, 193 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: late seventeen hundreds. Uh, he was pushing and you know, 194 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: so much of this boils down to money and class, 195 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: and he was really pushing for trade with Europe. Um. 196 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: He wanted the elite landholders of Hawaii to kind of 197 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: remain in that position. Um. He was traditionally religious with 198 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: the Kapu and supported that. But he was very much 199 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: you know, like let's let's enrich ourselves as sort of 200 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: the ruling class. For for sure, but he also and 201 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: he was also very open to the idea of exploiting 202 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: European influence for you know, to strengthen his his kingdom, 203 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: his house, I guess, is what it's called. He actually 204 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: had two advisors, Isaac Davis and John Young, uh englishman 205 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: and a Welshman um who were his closest advisors. And 206 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: apparently I can't remember which one it was, but when 207 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: one of them, whenever they would part company, Kamahomyo would 208 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: just begin sobbing because he just knew one day that 209 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: they he was going to leave, and he just loved 210 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: him that much. Yeah, it is very interesting. It's one 211 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: of those things where you know, we were raised as 212 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: like Anglo Euro American boys in the eastern seaboard of 213 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: the United States, right in the Midwest. So when you 214 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: research history like this, it's just like Hawaiian chief did this, 215 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: and then this Hawaiian chief came along. But when you 216 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: start to look into him as we were older, it's 217 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,119 Speaker 1: it's just always so fascinating to me just how complex 218 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: and complicated history really is, you know, and just how 219 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: boiled down typically is presented as Yeah, totally, that's because 220 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think teachers do a good job 221 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: as they can. But when we were in school, the 222 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: history we were taught was pretty, uh, pretty simplified. It is. 223 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there's also like a real um advantage to 224 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: dehumanizing the people that you've done wrong to over the centuries, 225 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: especially when they live in a state of yours. Still 226 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: that's a good point. So, uh, under his rule, he 227 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: managed to sort of sort of unify the Kingdom of Hawaii. Um, 228 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: it wasn't like everyone was completely on board with what 229 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: was going on, especially with the kapu and human sacrifice 230 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: and some of that stuff that happened, but they did 231 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: live under his rule whether they liked it or not. 232 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: He was a very strong king, yeah, because he had 233 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: guns finally, and people didn't and so they couldn't rise 234 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: up against him. But after he died, as when things 235 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: got really complicated, because then you had Hawaiian landowners, you 236 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: had white people that owned land, and then you had 237 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: this third group, this really large working class. Even though 238 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: many were killed off, still a lot of people, and 239 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: that really complicated the whole situation. And maybe we should 240 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: take a break there. We should all right, we'll take 241 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: a break and we'll talk about what complicated that even 242 00:14:42,480 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: more right after this, So, Chuck, we have this this 243 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: kind of like a brief sketch of what's going on here. 244 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: We have a native group, the native Hawaiians who live here, 245 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: and they are autonomous and running their own show. But 246 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: then the European explorers have showed up and they are 247 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: trying to make headways in exploiting this area as best 248 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: they can commercially. Um for agriculture, at first it was 249 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: sandal wood, and then it moved on to I think cattle, 250 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: and then finally like sugarcane um. And then those European 251 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: white landowners in Hawaii started bringing in tons and tons 252 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: of migrant workers in basically like slave labor conditions. So 253 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: you have these three groups kind of coming together in Hawaii, 254 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: only one of which was originally there. Yeah, And another 255 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: thing came in, which was missionaries from Europe, Protestant missionaries 256 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: for the most part, and they did what missionaries do, 257 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: which was say, hey, you should be Christian and not 258 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: worship whatever, uh you know, Hawaiian God you worship. And 259 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: this was a big deal because there were you know, 260 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Hawaii had a long, rich tradition, um, a very sacred 261 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: tradition of religion and this was not that at all, 262 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: but like they do, they um were pretty forceful in 263 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: making sure Christianity took hold among some of the people, 264 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: and it became a pretty big deal in Hawaii by 265 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: like the sort of mid eighteen hundreds, Yeah, for sure. 266 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: So and just like with other places where the missionaries 267 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: were kind of like the leading edge of the spear 268 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: as far as imperialism goes. So they just were the 269 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: first to kind of brave this and bring Christianity and 270 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: a you know, air quote civilization to the area. So 271 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: after they started to make headway and started to change 272 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: the culture it made, it allowed greater entree for for 273 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: more like commercial interest to have definitely to do with religion. 274 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: They were just coming to to work the land kind 275 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah. And forty this is when Kamayama's grandson, 276 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: Kamaama the third UM wrote the first real legit Hawaiian constitution. 277 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: There would be many more to follow, don't worry, right, 278 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: this is just the first one. And this one basically 279 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: kind of kicked Kapu law to the side. Was a 280 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: little more Christian, a little more western for lack of 281 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: a better word, and basically said all right, um, you 282 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: can now vote over here, and this is kind of 283 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: the first entree of what democracy would look like there. Yeah, 284 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it created a judicial branch, a legislature like it. 285 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: It sounded awfully familiar really as far as constitutions go. 286 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: And it was a huge watershed moment because, like you said, 287 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: it replaced Kapu with like you said, Western style democracy 288 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: basically or some version of at the beginnings of it, 289 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. And it also would would establish this 290 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: this framework, this foundation for people to point to and 291 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: be like, oh no, no, we want to we want 292 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: to go further and further towards the constitution, not back 293 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: toward the old ways. So it was like a goal 294 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: post that was set there that could be pointed to 295 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: as we don't want the monarch anymore. Remember, we want 296 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: this legislature in the judicial branch and all this this 297 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: stuff that Americans and Europeans are accustomed to working within. Yeah. 298 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: And also money was a big complicating factor. Um. Like 299 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: we said, anytime money is introduced and there's very valuable land, 300 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: it's going to get pretty gravy. And that's what happened 301 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: when the white Europeans and Americans said, Wow, this soil 302 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: over here in the climate of here is great for 303 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: growing stuff and we're not there. You know, they don't 304 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: have workers uh rights laws here, so we can really 305 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: really get cheap cheap labor if not um, like you said, 306 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: basically enslaved people essentially uh from Asia to work over 307 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: here and not really paying much money, like bring them 308 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: over under false pretense, say how great it is, how 309 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: much money they're going to make, and then kind of 310 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: build them back. Is it's sort of like signing a 311 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: record contract and build you back for all the expenses 312 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: of getting over there and overcharging for their living quarters, 313 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: which were terrible. But it's you know, it's exploitation that 314 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: we've seen time and time again. Um yeah, if it's 315 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: still going on today, you know, like that it's basically 316 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: human trafficking, is what they were doing. Yeah. So, um 317 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: one thing about Kamehameha, the House of Kamehameha when the 318 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: first Kamayo Maya, which is an awesomely fun word to 319 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: say and also just reminds me of Magnum p I 320 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 1: because that was the club that Rick managed, the King 321 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: Kamayama Club. Wo remember that? Oh man? Uh So, anyway, 322 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: I would just kill to like bee hanging out at 323 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: the bar, the beach bar in that club. But anyway, 324 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: um Kamayama, despite their being like up people, basically every 325 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: time it's successor died, UM he managed to establish a 326 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: dynasty that lasted until the eighteen seventies, I believe, UM. 327 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: And the problem was that there were no strong succession laws. 328 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: So when the monarch died in a few instances, there 329 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: were these periods called the interregnums, which is basically like, hey, 330 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, the government, it doesn't actually exist technically right now. 331 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: It's kind of a free for all while we figure 332 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: out what comes intact. We gotta we gotta get this 333 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: together and decide how to move forward. And in this case, 334 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: they would have the legislature vote for the ruler and UM, 335 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: this wasn't super popular. It led to rioting. UM. Hawaiians 336 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: were like, no, we we need uh we kind of 337 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: didn't mind the monarchy and we need these succession laws 338 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: to be kind of ingrained. I think that that's a 339 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: real um, a real telling, revealing tell about how the 340 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: Hawaiians felt that They were like, no, we don't forget 341 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: the legislature, we just need better law is to say 342 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: who succeeds who as far as the monarchs are concerned, 343 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: because I think that's what they were used to and 344 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: that's what they wanted, you know. Yeah, but what this 345 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: ended up doing was kind of there was a real 346 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: divide here when um, eighteen seventy four, I think was 347 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: when uh kala ka oh, calliko call ka I practiced 348 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: a million times Kaleika kalika ua. I mean, I love 349 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: these words are so much fun to say, um, even 350 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: though we're probably butchering them. But no, I'm pretty sure 351 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: it's kaleika Ua alright. Kalaika Ua was the new king 352 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: voted on in eighteen seventy four, and this was the 353 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: first real wedge because he had this faction that supported 354 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: Queen Emma and a real like opposition party was in place. 355 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: Like people were very, very divided at this point. Yeah. 356 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: Queen Emma was the wife of Comma the fourth, so 357 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: she had a pretty alid claimer on the throne. But 358 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: the legislature said, no, kalika who is definitely our guy. 359 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: He's now your your king and your monarch. And he 360 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: was an interesting cat too. He was known as the 361 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: Merry Monarch. He was a bit of a bomb avant 362 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: um hula had been banned by the big buzz killed 363 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: missionaries for decades, I mean hula dancing. Yeah, So so 364 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: kalika Ua said, hey, it's my birthday, let's bring hula back. 365 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: So he was kind of beloved for that. He played 366 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: the ukulele, but he was also very corrupt, like he 367 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: took a hundred and thirty thousand dollar bribe from some 368 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: Chinese businessmen who wanted an opium license, and very importantly 369 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: his whole jam was little by little, the power of 370 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: the monarch has been eroded to well, now it's finally 371 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: my turn, and I'm basically is a figurehead here. I 372 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: want the power back, so I'm going to do that. 373 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: And instead, there was some white interests that had formed 374 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: a group known as the Hawaiian League, and they were 375 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: basically made up of landowners, businessmen, people who had but 376 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: who were all like white European and American people who said, 377 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: we actually don't like that idea, and in fact, we're 378 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: going to make you form sign a new constitution into law, 379 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: um and where you're gonna do it basically at the 380 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: at the at gun point, and it's going to be 381 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: called the Bayonet Constitution. Historically speaking, yes, the Hawaiian League. 382 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: They were. They had a bunch of different names. Initially 383 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: they were the um the Missionary not in the Missionary League, 384 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: the Missionary what the Missionary Party. The Missionary thought that 385 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: was too sexy, right, So Missionary Party became the Hawaiian League, 386 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: eventually became the Reform Party because who doesn't like reform? 387 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: And they eventually became because as we'll see, they pushed 388 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: more and more towards annexation. Uh. And I don't know 389 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: if it was were they officially called the Annexation Party? 390 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Was that sort of like a I I I honestly 391 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: don't know the way that they were introduced. I think 392 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well either way, what they did was 393 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: they said, all right, we um know that not many 394 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: people we were an under armed society, so if we're 395 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: gonna do this, we're gonna get um the guns on 396 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: our side. And that was where they got the support 397 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: of the Hawaiian Rifles, which was a volunteer military unit 398 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: um all white people. And like you said in in 399 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: July seven is when those Hawaiian Rifles got involved and 400 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: said signed this new constitution. They did, and so it 401 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: basically said, you know how you thought you were a 402 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: figurehead before. Now you are a genuine, bona fide figurehead. 403 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: Your power is completely at the um pleasure of the legislature, 404 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: which by the way, is no longer appointed by you, 405 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: but elected. And also further, by the way, um we 406 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: Europeans and Americans now have voting rights because you have 407 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: to be a landowner in literate to vote. So not 408 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: only do we have voting rights now to elect the 409 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: legislature to basically do whatever we want, but we've also 410 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: just excluded all of those migrant Asian labors that we 411 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: just brought over because they don't own any land and 412 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: probably a lot of them can't read. So it's so facto. 413 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: You go play some ukulele for a while, kalika uha, 414 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: and thank you very much for Hawaii. Yeah, I mean 415 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: I got the impression that it was under the guise of, hey, 416 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: democracy is great and voting is how things should go, 417 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: but like, but we're going to be the ones voting, 418 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: by the way, exactly. Yeah, And I mean it definitely 419 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: was presented like that, like they were trying to liberalize 420 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: the island. But yeah, ultimately it was for their own interests. 421 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: When you when you really got down to brass tacks, 422 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: which is Cockney rhyming slang for facts as we went. 423 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: So I didn't think that was gonna show up either. 424 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: So in one that is when he died the aforementioned Kalakaua, 425 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: right Cali Kaleikaa, and he was succeeded by someone Keito's 426 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: his sister. How are you gonna make me queen Lily 427 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: Uoh Kalani? Yeah, man, all right, I think that's right. Yeah, 428 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: so yeah, and so she if if Kaleika had a 429 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: problem with being a figurehead, Lily Oh Koalani was definitely 430 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: um opposed to the idea of just being like Queen Elizabeth, 431 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: you know, we're just showing up for um state functions 432 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. Like she was. She considered 433 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: herself the ruler of Hawaii. She was the monarch who 434 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: who was meant to succeed um kaleika Ua fair and square, 435 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: and had a real problem with this. And but by 436 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: the problem was that within the four years that Kaleika 437 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: who assigned the Bayonet Constitution, the doors have been thrown 438 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: so far open for Western intra business interests in Hawaii 439 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: that she basically faced an insurmountable challenge and undoing just 440 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: the changes that had come in in the last four years. 441 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: It had been slowly creeping up over the decades, but 442 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: from that Bay and that constitution forward over those four 443 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: years between then and when she took over, the changes 444 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: were insurmountable. Basically, Yeah, married to an American too. Incidentally, 445 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: Well that that that shows you, like just how how 446 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: intermarried American politics in European politics were with Hawaiian politics. Literally. Yeah, 447 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: and I don't think we mentioned like this whole time. 448 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: There are both American and British warships in Honolulu Harbor. Yeah, 449 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: so like they've been there the whole time there the military, 450 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: and I didn't get the idea that they were active 451 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: at that point. They were just there kind of parked there. Yeah, 452 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: I think just more to send a signal, but also 453 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: to keep other interlopers out. I think the British and 454 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: the Americans basically considered Hawaii There's right, unofficially, but moving 455 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: toward officially, because when you said the door was thrown 456 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: wide open and change was afoot, it was the Hawaiian 457 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: League that was really um you know, they had flirted 458 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: with annexation a little bit, but by this point they 459 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: were really uh, and this is where they took on 460 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: the name the Annexation Club. Like I mentioned earlier, they 461 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: were really really headed towards annexation, which is where we 462 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: have to kind of go back over to America and 463 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: talk about the Terriff Act of eighteen ninety or the 464 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: McKinley Tariff, which was basically a very protectionist thing. Um, Hey, 465 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: we need US goods to be an industry here to 466 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: be ramped up, so we're gonna charge huge tariffs on 467 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: goods imported into the US, and that meant Hawaiian goods 468 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: and um, landowners in Hawaii said this is not good 469 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: for us because this is gonna make us raise prices. 470 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: Sales are gonna go down, our profits are gonna go down. 471 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: And um, while they were you know, the annexation was 472 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: making hay about democracy being a good thing, it really 473 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: kind of came down to money. Yeah, that's exactly right 474 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: with that. That in that McKinley tariff like really kind 475 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: of forced everyone's hand. Um, because like you said, I mean, 476 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: Hawaii was a sovereign nation and so there were tariffs 477 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: on the import. Didn't matter that they were American companies 478 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: and stuff was being produced in Hawaii, so when it 479 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: came into America, there was a huge tax slapped on it. 480 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: So they started saying, Okay, we need to figure this out, 481 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: like we need to we need to get Hawaii and 482 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: next and the so I get the impression that the 483 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: um the Hawaiian League kind of went from There were 484 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: some people in there that have been saying the whole time, annexation, annexation, 485 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: it's definitely the way to go to. Where that was 486 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: like the point of the Hawaiian League from that moment 487 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: forward was getting annexed um fortunately for them. Uh lially 488 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: Huo Kalani, whose name just flits in and out of 489 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: my capability to pronounce she um. She said, Hey, you 490 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: know what, I don't like all this. I don't like 491 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: where this is going. I'm going to rewrite the constitution. 492 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to restore the power of the monarchy. And 493 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, your legislature, your legislature can go sit on 494 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: it because I'm passing this by royal fiat, just by 495 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: me decreeing that it's true. It's true. And when that 496 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: came out, that news came out that she was planning 497 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: on doing that, the Hawaiian League said it's go time. Yeah, 498 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: And as far as the US goes, you know, they um, 499 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: they didn't outright say they wanted to annex. It was 500 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: kind of a tricky situation for them. They didn't want 501 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: anyone else to get in there in front of them, 502 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: of course, but they also didn't and they didn't want to. 503 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: I feel like they didn't want to be too aggressive 504 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: with it, like well, hey, if you're open to it, 505 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, but we're not gonna ask you 506 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: to dance, right, But it wasn't out of any respect 507 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: or deference necessarily to Hawaiian. It was because they didn't 508 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: want to tick off the British. So um so yeah. 509 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: So when Lilio man So, when Lily Uo Kalani said, 510 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: um that she was going to to rewrite the constitution 511 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: and this came out, the opposition was really strong, and 512 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: she actually backed down and she announced, Okay, I'm definitely 513 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: not going to do it by royal fiat, but I'm 514 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: gonna do it through normal channels and and really kind 515 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: of took the any hostility out of the move. But 516 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: it was it was too little, too late as far 517 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: as the Hawaiian League was concerned. And like I said 518 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: they decided it was go time, and Chuck, I say, 519 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: it's go time for us to go to commercial. Let's 520 00:31:36,840 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: do it, alright, So it's go to time in Hawaii. Uh, 521 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: Queen Lily Okolani has drawn a line in the sand. 522 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: H White men in Hawaii were super worried all of 523 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: a sudden, and so that annexation club that has now 524 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: changed names four times, changed their names again and said 525 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: all right, now we're the Committee of Safety. And by 526 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: Committee of safety, I mean we're going to lead a 527 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: military coup, right, which are typically very safe. Yeah. So, um, 528 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: there was a a move basically to collect um arms, 529 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: specifically to depose Liliu o'collani. Like that was the point 530 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: that that this this um, this this group had I 531 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: guess it was pretty if it wasn't like overt Basically 532 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: everyone knew about it so much so that uh loyalists 533 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: to um Liliuokolani. His name was Charles B. Wilson. Yeah, 534 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: he was a loyalist, which we should say, so his 535 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: name sounds pretty um America, and that's for good reason, 536 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: because he was American. And if you go back a 537 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: couple of monarchs, um, you will start to see like 538 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: Germans and Americans and British people in their cabinets like 539 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,719 Speaker 1: as like foreign minister or Secretary of Finance, like just 540 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: just like it's just you know, some normal thing. Um, 541 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: that's how intrenched everything was. So. Charles B. Wilson was 542 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: to Liliuokalani um the Marshal of Hawaii, which, as ed put, 543 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: is kind of like the head of the FBI and 544 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: the head of the Department Offense all rolled into one. 545 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: But he was in charge of the national police basically, 546 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: and he found out about this plot and he wanted 547 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: the plotters arrested for treason. Yeah, he called it out 548 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: and said arrested the committee or whatever they're calling themselves today, 549 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: And the American members of the cabinet said, no, we're 550 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: not gonna do that because this could break out in violence, 551 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: so let's all chill out. Um. That all changed on 552 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: January seventeenth, when there was a shooting. A Native Hawaiian 553 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: policeman was shot trying to prevent a delivery of some 554 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: weapons to the Annexation Club. Um, he didn't die, but 555 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: he was shot, and there wasn't like a lot of 556 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean, James Cook obviously died pretty in a grizzly way, 557 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: but there wasn't a lot of like actual violence and 558 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: bloodshed that was riding and stuff over the years. But 559 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: I get the feeling that this shooting was kind of 560 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: a big, big thing at the time. It was. I mean, 561 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: it was the only shooting in the entire overthrow of Hawaii, 562 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: in this entire coup, which makes it significant. But I 563 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: get the same impression that you had that Hawaiian society 564 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: was generally rather peaceful, and so to shoot somebody was 565 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: a very very big deal. Um. So much so that 566 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: the cop got two hundred dollars for his his wounds 567 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: collected by the local community. Pretty nice, pretty good scratch 568 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, I don't I didn't look it up 569 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: on West Egg. We should have. Uh. So the Committee 570 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: of Safety goes to you know, mentioned the warships in 571 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: the harbor. Uh They go to our the the USS 572 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: Boston that's parked there, and go to Captain Wilts and say, hey, 573 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: you know what, um, they're American citizens on the island there. Now, 574 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: you guys are having a good time, just kind of 575 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: hanging out and playing cards, but there's property that's in danger. 576 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: There's American citizens that are in danger and there are 577 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: armed troops. UM like, we need you guys in your 578 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: guns to come on the island. And he went, well, 579 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: all right, uh, come on, guys, let's go. And they 580 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: all put down their cards and a hundred and sixty 581 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: two soldiers went ashore. And that was sort of the 582 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: real turning point as far as an actual American military 583 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: presence in their supposedly defending property and American citizens from danger. 584 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: But it really ratcheted things up as far as conflict goes. Well, yeah, 585 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: and particularly for Liliuokalani. To her, she saw American troops 586 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: coming ashore, um establishing a full were like a couple 587 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: of hundred yards away from the Imperial Palace and and 588 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: basically creating a presence on native sovereign Hawaiian land. And 589 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: this was at the same time that the UM the 590 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: Committee for Safety, had run up on the steps of 591 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: the Capitol building read a proclamation that the queen had 592 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: been overthrown, that the monarchy didn't exist any longer, and 593 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: that she had been deposed and that UM they were 594 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: now in charge. And combine that, from her point of 595 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: view with the presence of American troops, She's like, okay, 596 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: I guess the Americans just overthrew me. She didn't know 597 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: who was working with who. She just knew there were 598 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 1: armed troops. She didn't really have any kind of standing 599 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: army or anything like that. So she made a very 600 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: wise and in my opinion, very noble decision to say, 601 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I will. I will surrender for the 602 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: moment because I don't want to. I want to avoid 603 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: any unnecessary bloodshed, Like anybody who fights for me is 604 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: going to get wasted by these American marines, and I 605 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: don't want to see that happen. So I will surrender, 606 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: but I'm not surrendering my position to the provisional government. 607 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: All surrender to the United States of America temporarily until 608 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: they can restore my position, because this is b S. Yeah, 609 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: And in in her statement, we won't read the whole thing, 610 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: but at the end she essentially says I'm doing this 611 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: for now, until which time I will be reinstated as 612 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: the authority, at which point everyone just kind of patted 613 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: her on the head and said, that's that's adorable that 614 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: you think that's actually gonna happen. She said, ps B S. 615 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: And I don't think we mentioned this new provisional government said, 616 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: all right, we have a president now, and his name 617 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: is Sanford Dole. Uh if that name sounds familiar, um. 618 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: Sandford's brother James founded the Dole Fruit Company in Hawaiian 619 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: So really no surprise how how that worked out, right, 620 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: So so let's just recap real quick. Okay, So there 621 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: was a group of American in Europe in white business interests, landowners, 622 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: businessmen who overthrew like during this, during this, a little 623 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: melee after a cop was shot, ran up onto the 624 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: capital steps read a proclamation that they were in charge. 625 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: John John Stevens, who hadn't mentioned he was the American 626 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: Minister to Hawaii. He was very much in on this 627 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: and in league with the Hawaiian League UM. And he said, I, 628 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: as official representative the United States officially recognized you, the 629 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: provisional Government, as the true government of Hawaii. I no 630 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: longer recognized the monarch. And that was it. All of 631 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: a sudden, this island kingdom of Hawaii that had been 632 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: around for a thousand or more years and had been 633 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: organized since for a couple of hundred years or a 634 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: hundred or more years, UM, just didn't exist anymore. Poof 635 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: because an American minister recognized a group of other Americans. 636 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: We just said, we claim this place basically as our own. Yeah, 637 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: and they said, you know, we're voting for this now. 638 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: Dole is president, like I said, but the Royalists are 639 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: boycotting the elections. So the Annexation Party, which eventually became 640 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: the American Union Party, they just were winning the elections 641 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: because it was no contest basically, Yeah, which is I mean, 642 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: it's a problem. You're in such a pickle with that, 643 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, like you're like, I reject that these elections 644 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: are even valid on their face. Um, but but then 645 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: if they just keep pulling these elections and other people 646 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: keep recognizing them as valid, then you're you're s o 647 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: l you know it. It was a really sticky, terrible 648 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: situation for the Native Hawaiians and their their monarch. Yeah. 649 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: So Dole and and the gang are firmly entrenched at 650 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: this point, and this is when they can really really 651 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: start to go after annexation. Um. So over in America, 652 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: you have Grover Cleveland in office and he's like, wait 653 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: a minute, this this all sounds very kinky and illegal, 654 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna send an envoy. James Blunt to Hawaii. 655 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: You put together a report and and report back to 656 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: me and let me know what's going on. Blunt went 657 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: over put together as report and he said, yeah, it 658 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: was super illegal what happened. And so Cleveland said, all right, queen, um, 659 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: if you want, will send troops in there to over 660 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: overthrow the republic and UM put you back in in 661 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: in a position of queen. But what you have to 662 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: do is is you got to offer amnesty to that 663 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: Committee of Safety that overthrew you kind of using our 664 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: soldiers to begin with. And she probably had whip flash 665 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: at this point, but she was like, uh, no, I'm 666 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 1: not going to do that, and actually those guys should 667 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: be beheaded, um, if I'm really being completely honest. And 668 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: so Cleveland kind of slunk down and said, all right, well, 669 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: I guess we uh we're not going to do that. Then, yeah, 670 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: he said, beheadings are gonna it's gonna be tough to 671 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: get past Congress. So I guess we don't have anything 672 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: to say here, but you have to kind of hand 673 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: it to Lily uh Kolani that um, I mean, she 674 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: stuck to her principles and she could she could have 675 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: been restored as monarch maybe even back to like the 676 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: pre figurehead version of the monarchy. And she said, nope, 677 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm cutting their heads off if if you put me 678 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: back as as queen. Yeah. At the same time, the 679 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: US Congress gets involved. They said, you know what, we're 680 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: the ones who investigate people. So listen to over our guy, 681 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: John Tyler Morgan. And Morgan went over and his report said, 682 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: you know what, this was not some illegal coup. This 683 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: was just Hawaii being Hawaii. This is their politics, this 684 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: is how they do things. We didn't really do anything wrong. 685 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: No blood on our hands. It's Hawaii. This is what 686 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: they do. No big deal. So the Congress is like 687 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: good enough for us. UM. By this time, also, UM, 688 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: Cleveland had been replaced by who is Cleveland's successor? Mley? Okay, 689 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: so the McKinley tariff came before all this, huh there 690 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: came after all this. No. I got the idea that 691 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: maybe it was as a senator or something. Okay, I'm 692 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: completely wrong though, No, but that would make way more sense. 693 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: But the point is is that McKinley UM was much 694 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: more in favor of annexation, uh than Cleveland was, and 695 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: so the the United States officially annexed Hawaii as a 696 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: territory in and this was exactly exactly what all of 697 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: those American and European landowners wanted, because, especially in America, 698 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: no longer were they subject to these high tariffs for 699 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: the imported goods because Hawaii was an annexed territory. But Chuck, 700 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: they also were in a state, which means that they 701 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: weren't subject to US laws like immigration, which meant that 702 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: they could continue up their their human trafficking, which meant 703 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: that as an annexed territory, their profit margins were as 704 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: wide as they've ever been. Basically, yeah, I mean those 705 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: were uh, I mean, they were terror doble in reality, 706 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: but those were the golden years if you're a plantation 707 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: owner in Hawaii, because you're you're basically just making money 708 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: hand over fist with no oversight. Right. And by the way, 709 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: I just looked at real quick. McKinley was a House 710 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: representative when that terrifact came out. Not thank you. That 711 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: was a really great in show correction. We usually don't 712 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: do this. Uh So, when does statehood come on the scene, 713 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: Because Hawa I didn't become a state until nineteen fifty nine, 714 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: which was not that long ago. No, it was, and 715 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: it was a full sixty plus years after it was annexed. 716 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: And because they were just fat cats and they were 717 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 1: loving it. That's that's exactly right. The powerful interests who 718 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: basically ran the legislature said, hey, you know, we we 719 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: were really like Chuck said, we're making money hand over 720 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: fist and somebody said, who's Chuck. They said, just give 721 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: it a couple of decades, you'll see it's gonna knock 722 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: your socks off. But they had no, no desire to 723 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: be a state, because then that meant that they're immigration 724 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: laws would be imposed and they'd have to follow a 725 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 1: lot more um, social and cultural more's that America had established, um, 726 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: and it was going to be a bad jam for them. 727 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: The other thing was here at home, and it was 728 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: just straight up like racist xenophobia. Yeah, um, you know, 729 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: I think I don't know if we said to put 730 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,439 Speaker 1: a pin in it, but we were talking about all 731 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: these migrant workers who you know, had kids and stuff, 732 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: and those kids were born there eventually became a non 733 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: white majority in Hawaii, and they were like, you know 734 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: what if we make this place of state, he said, 735 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna actually these microworkers are gonna gain real voting 736 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: power and they have a non white majority, and we 737 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: really don't want those people in our congress. In Congress, 738 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: that was basically the reason that kept Hawaii from being 739 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: a state until nine. People didn't want people of Asian 740 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: or Native Hawaiian descent in in d C. And Congress, 741 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,439 Speaker 1: I guess. And that nuts. Yeah, So it took until 742 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: March eighteenth nine to find become a state, and then 743 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: it took until for Congress to pass an apology bill. 744 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: And this is hysterical and it's so believable, but it 745 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: points out that they were, uh, it was disputed because 746 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: they were literally arguing about either the Blunt Report or 747 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: the Morgan Report being more accurate, like a hundred years later. Yeah, 748 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: can you do Clinton apologizing? Oh what do I have 749 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: to apologize for? That was great. So so that bill 750 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: actually said that Hawaii or the Native Hawaiians quote, never 751 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: directly relinquished to the US their claims to their inherent sovereignty. 752 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: The US said, in in some in in so many words, 753 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: like the United States stole Hawaii. Hawaii is the state 754 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: because we took it basically back in eighteen ninety. That 755 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: or the eighteen eighties. Pretty great story. It is so 756 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: that you were asking about the pulse of Hawaii today. 757 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: There's a bill that was introduced in two thousand by 758 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: Senator Daniel k Akaca, and he's since retired, I believe, 759 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: but the Acaca Bill is still around, and it basically 760 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: would extend sovereignty to Native Hawaiians and virtually the same 761 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: way that um Native American tribes in the continental US 762 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: have their own tribal nations. They have their own governments 763 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: that make decisions for them, and they have their own 764 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 1: laws and all that um and there's it's just never 765 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: been passed. There's I don't think there's quite enough support 766 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 1: for it or what the hold up is, but it's 767 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: still languishing right now. I haven't been. I gotta go 768 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: at some point. Oh dude, I would like to live 769 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: there one day. Yeah. That's good. A place where you 770 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: you and you meet to retire. It's a it's amazing. 771 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: So uh and maybe I'll meet up with Kanaka Kai, 772 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: the Hawaiian hillbilly while we're there. I think with your 773 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: magnum obsession, you were destined to just while away with 774 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: a coconut with a straw on it in your hand. 775 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: Who do I have to kill the cu to refill 776 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: his coconut? I used to be somebody. How do you 777 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: think I got this rainbow helicopter? That's right, oh man, 778 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: I've been to the Magnum house before you metok me, 779 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: does not surprise me, it's neat Um. Well have you 780 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: got anything else about the overthrow of Hawaii? Well, if 781 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: you wanted more about the overthrow Hawaii, there's a lot 782 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: more out there. It's pretty interesting story in Hawaiian culture 783 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: is pretty interesting too, now that we dug into it. 784 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 1: And since I said that it's time for a listener mail, 785 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this anvils. And by the way, this 786 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: um this is from Nolan. Nolan did not point this out, 787 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: but we heard from many people who said that the 788 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: Smithy was not the Blacksmith, but the place, uh their 789 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 1: workshop is called the Smithy and I can't know that smithy, 790 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: Like that's the Blacksmith. Yeah, that's what I thought. I 791 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: think they're the smith Okay, not the Smith's. That's Morrissee 792 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: and Johnny morn Company. That's right. Hey, guys, love the 793 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: episode on Blacksmith thing. I've been to Blacksmith since I 794 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,280 Speaker 1: was nineteen when I bought my first anvil. I started 795 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: listening stuff you should Know during grad school and my 796 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: anvil was sadly packed away. I had no time to 797 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: use it, but thankfully it isn't on the shelf any longer, 798 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,280 Speaker 1: and I found myself sitting next to it while listening 799 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: to your episode. Uh. Seems silly, but these things have 800 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: a real personality to them. They're like old friends. I 801 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: met mine close to a decade ago, and it's a 802 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,720 Speaker 1: one dash, zero dash, sixteen and twenty eight pound Peter Wright. 803 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: That means something to Smithy's. I was impressed by the 804 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: Peter right. Yeah, he's He's a legendary anvil list Smithie. 805 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: So Uh. One thing on the show I thought I 806 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: mentioned is about anvil's Josh said, you want to attach 807 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: the anvil to a stump to disperse the hammer strike 808 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: to the earth, which is partially which is partially correct, 809 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: but missed one beautiful thing about a good anvil, which 810 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: is it's rebound. Uh. An anvil's quality can be measured 811 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,879 Speaker 1: by the rebound. This is how much force pushes back 812 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: at you when you strike. Because this is a good anvil. 813 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,839 Speaker 1: I'm sorry because of this, a good anvil hits back 814 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: when you strike it, and a good blacksmith uses this 815 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: to effectively forge both sides of a workpiece at the 816 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,280 Speaker 1: same time. I also one thing I also saw somebody 817 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: else right in to say that that helps you um 818 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: and swinging a ten pound hammer like like working the 819 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: rebound to your advantage to totally. He said, you can 820 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: tell if you have a good anvil by the rebound 821 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: by dropping a ball bearing on it or lightly dropping 822 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: a hammerhead and seeing how high it bounces. A dead 823 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,280 Speaker 1: anvil will have no bounce and only gives a soft thud. 824 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: A good anvil bounces back a lot and leaves a 825 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: ringing in the air. And this is actually where the 826 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: phrase has a nice ring to it comes from. Oh 827 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: really about that? I love that stuff. It was a 828 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: blacksmith in phrase. So great job, guys, as always keep 829 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: it up. I always love tuning into these shows. Can't 830 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 1: wait hear more. And that is Nolan. Thanks Toland, you 831 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: really quenched our thirst for etymology big time. Appreciate Nolan, 832 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody, all of the smiths who wrote in to 833 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: let us know all the stuff we got wrong, but 834 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 1: also say, hey, you generally got it right. So in 835 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: Farriors we heard from farriers. Yeah, tons of farriers out there, 836 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,359 Speaker 1: So we appreciate all of you and we're fascinated by 837 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: the work you do. If you want to get in 838 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 1: touch with us, you can send us an email. 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