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<v Speaker 1>M Hey everyone, it's me Josh, and for this week's

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<v Speaker 1>s y s K Selects, I've chosen our episode on

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<v Speaker 1>X rays. It's from December two thousand fourteen, because what's

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<v Speaker 1>more Christmas Eve than discussing electrons changing orbits. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this one because it's a great example that me and

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck can do anything we put our minds to. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just some great bare knuckle s y s K explaining.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope you enjoy our episode how x rays work.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant as always, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry over there fiddling around with stuff. So it's stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know the podcast, not stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>The movie. That's right. You know, we were sworn to

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<v Speaker 1>secrecy about that. They'd be a good movie, that'd be

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<v Speaker 1>a bad movie. I don't know, man, it could go

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<v Speaker 1>either way. I always see I imagine it like Strange Brew.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yes they could. Uh, they could base it

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<v Speaker 1>on the Stuff you Should Know, Tell all book I'm writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that would be exciting, that would be very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to that book like a Lifetime movie

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<v Speaker 1>of the Week. Do you like, um switch people's names

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<v Speaker 1>like a my um Joe Joe Clack? Yeah, exactly. No. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like, uh like did you see the

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<v Speaker 1>Say by the Bell movie? Oh? Yeah, I didn't Screech

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<v Speaker 1>write a book. It was based on a book by Screech. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't it like all sex and drugs and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it was. You know, it was a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers in Hollywood, So sure there was some of that

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<v Speaker 1>in there, but it was I didn't read the book.

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<v Speaker 1>But the movie was bad and not nearly as salacious

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<v Speaker 1>as he wanted it to be. Right. I remember a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people being disappointed, and I remember, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I recalled it like two weeks ago when people were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it when it came out. It's stunk. Watch Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll watch some of those, um just terrible, terrible

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<v Speaker 1>biopics occasionally on TV and it's it can be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we watched the who was the one actor? Brittany Murphy?

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<v Speaker 1>The Brittany Murphy story? Oh really, does she have a

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<v Speaker 1>heck of a story. Is she alive still or did

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<v Speaker 1>she die? She passed away because under kind of weird circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>because she and her husband both passed away within weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of each other, and there were all these strange claims

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<v Speaker 1>that her house was poisoned, that they were poisoned, and um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was fun. What's your take on it? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You just that the movie wasn't very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Who played Brittany Murphy? Do you remember someone who didn't

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<v Speaker 1>look very much like Brittney Murphy Julie Bowen. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was right. The Ashton Kutcher guy was pretty good, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say Steve Jobs played him. They should have

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<v Speaker 1>just gotten Ashton Kutcher to play himself. He's not doing much.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not my two and a half men. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that got to require fifteen minutes of work a week.

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<v Speaker 1>He's selling cameras. Do you remember when the whole two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half man thing was going down? We were

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<v Speaker 1>in l A And for the one and only time

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<v Speaker 1>in my entire life, I see John Cryer that day. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>during the Charlie Sheen meltdown, like the day of the meltdown,

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<v Speaker 1>like it happened at night, and within eight hours I

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<v Speaker 1>saw John cryer for the first time in Personette McDonald's

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<v Speaker 1>did you heal Duckie? No? I left him alone. He

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<v Speaker 1>looks stressed out. Well, yeah, he's probably like, my career

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<v Speaker 1>is going down the tubes, but little did he know

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<v Speaker 1>he's a survivor. His career is just fine. So X rays. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're talking about, right, Yep, the lightest part

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast. I like this one. This one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things where if you can just hang

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<v Speaker 1>on by your fingernails, it can click and then you

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<v Speaker 1>lose it again, but that means that it could click

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<v Speaker 1>again later on. That's what I like about it. Good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll leave that to you. I got lots of other

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about it, but I totally understand good. Good. Um, So,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever broken anything and needed an X ray

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<v Speaker 1>or has it all just been dental stuff? You know? Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>never broken a bone? Knock on wood? Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I've had My injuries were always um stitches. I was

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<v Speaker 1>always getting busted open rocks and sprinklers, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>always getting cut and sewed back up. But I never

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<v Speaker 1>broke a bone. That's great. Yeah, you should probably knock

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<v Speaker 1>on wod one more time, just to be safe. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so, yeah, all of my X rays to have

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<v Speaker 1>been like just going to the dentist or whatever. You

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<v Speaker 1>never had a bone broken. I don't want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>because I I don't even know if knocking on wood

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<v Speaker 1>will do it on lambing it ikea. It would just

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<v Speaker 1>be so horribly interesting if both of us broke a

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<v Speaker 1>bone after this. Yeah, and we're at the age where

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<v Speaker 1>like you should break bones when your kid were you

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever, I get a cast at this age, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a drag. Yeah. I remember reading like a Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Clancy novel and like some kid got an arm torn

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<v Speaker 1>off or whatever, and one of the surgeons was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if the arms in the same room as the kid,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be yield. That doesn't hold true in your

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Clancy's age now, So, um, you are familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>X rays, so you've seen them before You've watched the

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<v Speaker 1>er surely, Yeah, I mean I've had X rays for

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<v Speaker 1>like the dental ones, like you said, and then um,

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<v Speaker 1>just other various like uh like chess X rays for

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<v Speaker 1>sicknesses and things like that, which I think maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little frivolous, to be honest, Yeah, and kind of dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>really conceivably, which we'll get into later. But um did

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<v Speaker 1>you were you familiar with X rays it all beyond that?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that they were invented or discovered accidentally? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I did know that. Um, I did not. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the few things I know. I thought I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a little like Quickie short on something like it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been actually Science Channel. I looked all over. The

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<v Speaker 1>most I could find was a dude on siemens Um

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<v Speaker 1>just describing it in the most flat affic. I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>his video. Yeah, I got to five and five wind

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<v Speaker 1>Low and I was like, forget this. Yeah, if I've

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<v Speaker 1>never loaded for me, I watched the other fourteen though,

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole time I was going, man, these are

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<v Speaker 1>a minute long, please join them all together into one

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<v Speaker 1>six minute video. No, it was so weird. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty silly. But and he was he was good.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just very dry. Yeah, and they spent zero

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<v Speaker 1>pennies on any kind of soundtrack or anything like if

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<v Speaker 1>he grabs papers, you hear papers wrestling in the classrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was pretty straightforward. Yes, but that's a

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<v Speaker 1>very wind about, roundabout way of getting to uh. It's

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<v Speaker 1>discovering by German physicist named Wilhelm uh Rundgan, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was testing whether cathode rays could pass through glass and

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<v Speaker 1>he saw that the fluorescent screen was glowing when he

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<v Speaker 1>turned on his electron electron beam, which wasn't a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was like, wait, this got cardboard around it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there shouldn't be any visible light escaping, which is silly

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<v Speaker 1>to think of. Now, well, yeah it is, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have to put yourself in his shoes like X rating

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<v Speaker 1>had been to discovered because he was literally on the

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<v Speaker 1>verge of discovering them, right then that's right, and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So he was like, this is very curious that this

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<v Speaker 1>is fluorescing. Yeah, and he noticed other things were glowing,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually he started putting other objects between the tube

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<v Speaker 1>and the screen. They glowed the screen did that is

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<v Speaker 1>finally put his hand there. I read his wife's hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, he's like, either come in here for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to try something. It saw bones projected

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<v Speaker 1>and then I guess probably poo pooed his pants. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I think, come onto something here. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was really that quickly. He was like immediately the application

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<v Speaker 1>was clear. It wasn't one of those things where it

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<v Speaker 1>took twenty years. He's like, hold on, you can see bones.

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<v Speaker 1>This could be really helpful, and he want a Nobel

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<v Speaker 1>prize very rightfully, so the first one ever for physics.

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<v Speaker 1>And he named him X rays because he didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck it was, no exactly kind of signing

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<v Speaker 1>your name. He probably right. I think he assumed that

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<v Speaker 1>later um future scientists would fill in the blanks, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, no, we're cool with X rays. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he probably thought that someone would eventually call it like

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<v Speaker 1>the Rundkin ray for something. He wasn't much of a

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<v Speaker 1>self promoter. He was just like all this calum X

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<v Speaker 1>rays as a placeholder. And he didn't patent any anything,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. He never like made money off that. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then just as his wife had hand cancer as

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<v Speaker 1>a result. Really, oh, I was laughing, but no she did.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be it was. It was just a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>You can proceed with the la plus I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of hand cancer. It's got to be out there. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a couple of years later they were already

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<v Speaker 1>using it um in the Balkan War was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time it was really put to practical use. The First

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<v Speaker 1>Balkan War, the one around World War One. Well no,

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<v Speaker 1>oh that Baltimore. Um, I didn't know that existed until

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<v Speaker 1>just now. Yeah, and they said we can see bullets

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<v Speaker 1>and trapnel and stuff now, um, which is helpful. It

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<v Speaker 1>is extremely helpful. So like this guy Rundkin discovers X

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<v Speaker 1>rays and their most practical application in one fell swoop basically,

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<v Speaker 1>and a little further study revealed the X rays are

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<v Speaker 1>actually just another part of the electromagnetic spectrum, of which

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves, microwaves what we call visible light. Um, what

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<v Speaker 1>else is on there? Uh? Well, I've got handy wallet

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic spectrum card, and X rays fall between gamma rays

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<v Speaker 1>and ultraviolet rays on that spectrum, which are all below.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you say below, I don't know if it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really an above or below situation visible light and

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<v Speaker 1>then infrared, microwave and radio waves, so it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a higher or lower frequency, because that's how the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing is divided. Yeah. So, like the visible spectrum of

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<v Speaker 1>light consists of electromagnetic radiation that has a frequency a

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<v Speaker 1>wavelength that our eyes are sensitized too, so we can

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<v Speaker 1>pick up visible light. There's plenty of other stuff on

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<v Speaker 1>the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation, and all of it is

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<v Speaker 1>delineated by the frequency the wavelengths. So at the highest

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<v Speaker 1>end you have gamma rays. They're like, yeah, that means

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<v Speaker 1>the squiggly line is very close together exactly. And then

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<v Speaker 1>on the farthest end you have radio waves are like,

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<v Speaker 1>and that means the squiggly line as far apart exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is called chuck science. That's good stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So back in my wallet X raight right next to

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<v Speaker 1>the what else you have in there? I just have

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<v Speaker 1>my PEPs Blue Ribbon membership, which actually do do you really? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've had it for like twenty years. When you

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<v Speaker 1>you got it when you're like seven eight, flatter me. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>X rays fall, I guess we're about in the well, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the higher and they have a higher frequency as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the electro magnetic spectrum goes. But the point is

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<v Speaker 1>is that it is ultimately the same thing to It's

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<v Speaker 1>a type of electro magnetic energy that is carried on

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<v Speaker 1>a photon, which is a particle of what we would

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<v Speaker 1>call light. Yeah, and we talked about photons a plenty

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<v Speaker 1>in the show, and uh, the same, like photons produce

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<v Speaker 1>the visible light that we can see photons blast out

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<v Speaker 1>from the Sun. How long does it take? Like it

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<v Speaker 1>takes like a hundred years to get from the core

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<v Speaker 1>to the surface and then like eight minutes to get

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<v Speaker 1>from the surface to Earth. That's right, man, that's I

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<v Speaker 1>love that fact. So this is the only part I understand,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll lead with it. If you want to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>um an atom, a nucleus of an atom and rings

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<v Speaker 1>around that adiom atium and adam as orbitals. Uh, when

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<v Speaker 1>an electron drops to a lower orbital, it releases energy

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of a photon, and the electron will

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<v Speaker 1>always drop to the lower orbital. That's right. So like

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<v Speaker 1>if an orbital is if an electron is kicked off

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<v Speaker 1>of a lower orbital and allow trn in the higher

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<v Speaker 1>orbital goes yet and drops down to that one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and depending on how far it drops is going to

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<v Speaker 1>determine the energy level of that photon. That it's that

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<v Speaker 1>it releases his energy when it drops, right, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have to, you know, drop more than one orbital.

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<v Speaker 1>You can skip down I don't even know how far,

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<v Speaker 1>but a long way, yeah, I can. And like you

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<v Speaker 1>said that, the greater the distance between the two orbitals

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<v Speaker 1>are the greater the energy differential, the greater the energy

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<v Speaker 1>that photon when released will have. Right, that's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, photons are the energy carriers of the

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic spectrum. And depending on that energy or the frequency

0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the wavelength of that photon, that determines what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>photon it is, right, whether it's a radio photon or

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<v Speaker 1>a an X ray photon, or a photon that we

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<v Speaker 1>can see that's in the visible spectrum. That's right. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes when these photons are flying around, they will collide

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<v Speaker 1>with other atoms, and sometimes those atoms absorb that photons

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<v Speaker 1>energy and then kick it up to that higher level again, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But it has to be from what I understand, and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that there's like of course it's science, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's like atomic science, so there's little exceptions did this

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<v Speaker 1>and that. But from what I could see, Chuck, there

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<v Speaker 1>is the energy of that photon has to exactly match

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<v Speaker 1>the energy differential between one orbital and another on an

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<v Speaker 1>atom so that it can kick it up, so that

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<v Speaker 1>it hits that one electron in the lower orbital kicks

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<v Speaker 1>it up to the higher orbital and thus transfers its energy,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that atom just absorbed that energy that that

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<v Speaker 1>photon was carrying. Right, But if it's a little less,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to have the energy to kick that

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<v Speaker 1>electron up, which makes sense to me, right. But if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little more, this is what doesn't make sense

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<v Speaker 1>to me. It doesn't kick the electron up, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the photon carries on in a diminished energetic state. It

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't do anything. It doesn't interact with that. It

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<v Speaker 1>has to be exactly, say, like the energy differential between

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<v Speaker 1>orbits is eight, So a photon has to have an

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<v Speaker 1>energy of eight or else it's not gonna do anything

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<v Speaker 1>with the atom, that's right, Okay, uh, And so depending

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<v Speaker 1>on the um. Well, let's say you have a radio wave.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have very much energy, so they can't move

0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.520
<v Speaker 1>electrons between these orbitals. They just passed through things. X

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<v Speaker 1>rays are super powerful. There's lots of energy, so they

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<v Speaker 1>can pass through things, which is key if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to check out your bones from outside of your body.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, so we're back chucking. You tantalized everybody by

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<v Speaker 1>saying that this, this difference in absorption is what produces

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<v Speaker 1>X rays, Right? Was that tantalizing? I was tantalized and

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<v Speaker 1>I even know it's coming. All right, that's how excited

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<v Speaker 1>I mean about X rays. So consider this, Like different

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<v Speaker 1>atoms have different atomic weights, they have different densities, they're

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<v Speaker 1>just different. Like different atoms are different, and atoms also

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<v Speaker 1>have what are called differences in radiological density. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>a really high energy, high atomic weight, very dense atom

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be able to absorb a lot of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Smaller atoms that maybe are looser and have a lower

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<v Speaker 1>atomic weight are going to get kicked around by any

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<v Speaker 1>old photon that wants to come along. Yeah, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's key. Like I said, if you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>bones because you're soft tissue, if you've ever noticed when

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<v Speaker 1>you have an X ray, you'll see the bones, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know the rest is just sort of a grayish

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<v Speaker 1>black mess exactly because your soft tissue has smaller atoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Your bones, uh, calcium adams are much larger, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna absorb those X ray photons. It's exactly right to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, really well exactly. So um imagine you have uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, Chuck, let's go back and hang out with

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<v Speaker 1>Tuck Tuck. Right, Oh man, let's get back in the

0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:33.840
<v Speaker 1>way back when she's been a while. Okay, look at

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<v Speaker 1>him over there. So here we are in France in

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<v Speaker 1>this cave, um Tuck Tuck has his hand up against

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<v Speaker 1>the cave wall, as you'll see, and in his other

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<v Speaker 1>hand he's got that little straw filled with pigment, red pigment.

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<v Speaker 1>He's blowing it on his hand, right, And now that

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<v Speaker 1>he moves his hand away, there's the outline of his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called a stencil, right exactly. He's just made an

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<v Speaker 1>early stencil. He's like banks He basically like a caveman Banksy.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at the back of Tuk Tuk's hand,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get too close, but look at the back of

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<v Speaker 1>his hand, it's covered in red pigment, right, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you can, if you want to equate this to an

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<v Speaker 1>X ray, the hand absorbed all of that pigment, and

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that passed through left the picture on the cave.

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<v Speaker 1>All that's kind of what happens with an X ray,

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<v Speaker 1>except with an X ray photograph. The X ray photons

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<v Speaker 1>are absorbed by the denser calcium rich bones and they

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<v Speaker 1>passed through the softer tissue. So the picture that we

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<v Speaker 1>have is the outline the silhouette of the bones because

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<v Speaker 1>the X rays made it through the tissue, didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>it through the bones. They made it through the tissue

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<v Speaker 1>and onto the X ray plate, which absorbed the picture

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<v Speaker 1>in negative. That's right. And I'm glad you said picture,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's all it is. On the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the human being. You know that they're shooting the X

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<v Speaker 1>ray at there's a camera and you're just gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>a regular negative, and they could make it a positive,

0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.480
<v Speaker 1>but they leave it as a negative because you really

0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.439
<v Speaker 1>don't need the positive image. Uh, And that's what they'll

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<v Speaker 1>put on that little screen to show you your cracked

0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.800
<v Speaker 1>femur exactly. And they can see the crack because some

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<v Speaker 1>of those X rays will make it through the gap,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, right, So all you're seeing is the result

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<v Speaker 1>of X rays that made it through the tissue were

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<v Speaker 1>absorbed by the bone, so those don't make it to

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<v Speaker 1>the plate. The ones that make it to the plate

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<v Speaker 1>cause the chemical reaction that gives you your negative, your

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<v Speaker 1>X ray. And it's it's pretty simple, really like if

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, at least in principle. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinarily difficult to conceive of. But if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>understand like the principle behind it, it makes uttering complete sense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a pretty focused shot that they're using there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like they don't fill the entire room with

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<v Speaker 1>X rays. You know, They've got a thick lead shield

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<v Speaker 1>around the whole device, and and it, you know, contains

0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.199
<v Speaker 1>contains everything. It's got a little small window that's just

0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna let that narrow beam pass through, uh, through a

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<v Speaker 1>series of filters and basically hit you wherever they want

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<v Speaker 1>to hit you. Yeah. And the reason that the they

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<v Speaker 1>use lead is because lead is an extremely dense uh

0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.360
<v Speaker 1>yeah element, yes, right, sure, oh god, I hope so

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<v Speaker 1>with a with a very high atomic number, which means

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<v Speaker 1>it can absorb tons of energy. Right, Yeah, that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna wear a lead apron. Um if you're not,

0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're getting your skull done, you're probably

0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna wear an apron in your chest. Let's say, sure,

0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 1>so you're you're so, this lead is being bombarded with

0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.160
<v Speaker 1>X ray, photons and electrons and it's just taking it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine, and it's not being able to it's not

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<v Speaker 1>able to pass through because it doesn't have high enough energy. Um.

0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.480
<v Speaker 1>But yes, they when they put that little window in

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<v Speaker 1>the X ray generating machine, it passes right through there

0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 1>in a concentrated beam. And Chuck, let's talk about the machine, right,

0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.159
<v Speaker 1>So and and this is basic what we use as

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:05.240
<v Speaker 1>X ray machines is essentially what root Can was made,

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.520
<v Speaker 1>what made was experimenting with when he accidentally discovered them.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you look for X rays like they're they

0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:16.000
<v Speaker 1>propagate naturally. But I think like the X rays on

0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Earth come from humans. Really, Yeah, Like we generate a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of X rays. They don't. They don't come like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't find them normally on Earth. They're coming from

0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:29.800
<v Speaker 1>outer space to us, hence X ray astronomy. But the

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<v Speaker 1>ones here on Earth that are generated on Earth, they don't.

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.800
<v Speaker 1>It's not like rocks put out X rays or something

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.160
<v Speaker 1>like that. We do. We humans do. Humans and light

0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.760
<v Speaker 1>aprons put out X rays and they use this machine

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<v Speaker 1>like root Can made. Yeah, what you have in the machine,

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<v Speaker 1>you have an electrode pair, cathode, and an anode and

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<v Speaker 1>that's inside a good old fashioned glass vacuum tube, which, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing how vacuum tubes are still like the best

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.880
<v Speaker 1>way to do many of these things. Well, it allows

0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.199
<v Speaker 1>things to travel at the speed of light easily. It's right,

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.199
<v Speaker 1>and allows guitar amps to sound great. I didn't know

0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 1>these vacuums and that Oh is that a cathode tube? Yeah? Yeah,

0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.040
<v Speaker 1>like a like the best amps are still made with

0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tubes. You can get solid state amps, but they're

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:14.919
<v Speaker 1>just the sound isn't as rich, So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like this old technology that's still superior. They're all pumped

0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 1>out by hand by a ninety year old man in Tennessee,

0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Mr Marshall. Yes. Uh so. The cathode is a heated filament,

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.399
<v Speaker 1>just like you might see in a light bulb, and

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the machine's gonna pass a current through that and heat

0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.200
<v Speaker 1>that thing up, and then it's gonna spit electrons off

0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that surface, and it's gonna hit a disc made of

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 1>tungsten and it's gonna draw those across the tube. It's

0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.479
<v Speaker 1>basically the tube is sort of the key piece, right,

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.400
<v Speaker 1>because you've got the positive and the and the negative

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.800
<v Speaker 1>charge the cathode and the anode, right yeah. Um, and

0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:57.720
<v Speaker 1>that difference that electrical charge draws as electrons down to

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<v Speaker 1>the anode. Yeah, with a lot of force. Yeah, And

0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that forest means that when those electrons hit the tungsten anode,

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.639
<v Speaker 1>it knocks a bunch of electrons off, creates a bunch

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 1>of X rays in the process, and um, you have

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 1>a whole box filled with X ray radiation. That's exactly

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:21.439
<v Speaker 1>what it is, like you're just I mean there, there

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 1>might as well be like a foot crank to this thing,

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 1>like an old sewing machine. For as as technologically advanced

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 1>as it is, there may be for all I know,

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what goes on in that other room, right, Yeah,

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.880
<v Speaker 1>there's some dude in there with like his right leg

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 1>is three times more muscular than his left leg because

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the only one he uses. So um. In addition,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said to to X rays being created, the

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the other X rays, other photons can go on and

0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.320
<v Speaker 1>knock more electrons off. So you you have what's like

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.879
<v Speaker 1>a process of chain reactions starting. Right. It's not like

0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.440
<v Speaker 1>one gets hit and then that's it, and the photons

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.440
<v Speaker 1>creating it just hangs around until it's beamed out. But

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you're just generating this huge amount of X rays, and

0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the X rays are also continuing to propagate themselves because

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>they're knocking more electrons free, and the more free electrons

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.160
<v Speaker 1>you have, the more interactions you have, right, So one

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that more electrons can be knocked off.

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 1>You don't even need a direct transfer of energy where

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a photon is absorbed or knocks an electron from one

0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.880
<v Speaker 1>orbit to another, or knocks it loose entirely. A photon

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>actually has this really cool um capability of just orbiting

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.440
<v Speaker 1>close by the nucleus of an atom, and when the

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:40.239
<v Speaker 1>nucleus basically draws it into its orbit, the photon just

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.320
<v Speaker 1>takes a hard left turn, just bumps it off its course.

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.560
<v Speaker 1>But even like the dodge viper has to like slow

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 1>down to take a left turn, slow a little bit right,

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 1>just a little, just a little, But that little bit

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:57.880
<v Speaker 1>in the photon world means a transfer of energy from

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the photon outward an X ray. Yeah, and then the photon,

0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>like the photon takes that left turn and and the

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 1>energy is transferred to the atom. Yeah. And one of

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the byproducts, h If this sounds like it's gonna create

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of heat, it's because it will. And in

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>order to combat this, they rotate this anode to keep

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it. It It would just melt down if you kept it

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:22.639
<v Speaker 1>in place. And apparently there's a cool oil bath that

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 1>helps absorb heat as well, which I never have heard

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 1>of that either. It sounds oily cool oil bath. Yeah,

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:30.639
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't sound refreshing at all. It sounds like the

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 1>opposite of refreshing. Yeah. Cool and oil don't really go together. Yeah,

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and I misspoke. That's an electron that can be drawn

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>too into the nucleus of an anom appropriately enough because

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>they orbit nuclei anyway. But it doesn't have to hook

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>hook up with that atom. When it takes that hard left,

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>it admits the photon like you said, that's right. And

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 1>like I said earlier, there's a camera on the other

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>side of the patient and it's going to record that

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 1>pattern of light when it passes through the body. And

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:01.919
<v Speaker 1>it's not so different from a regular camera. Um. And

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:03.679
<v Speaker 1>then the and you're just gonna get a picture, like

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, a negative image. Yeah. And if you hook

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>it up with a computer that allows you to take

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.439
<v Speaker 1>X rays basically in slices, you can come up with

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:16.360
<v Speaker 1>community computerized tomography. If you make a c T right,

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 1>let's set scan exactly. Um. If you uh, if you

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>use if you get a breast exam, you're using a

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>type of X ray called momography, um, and then there's

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a fluoroscopy, which the man in the extraordinarily dry presentation

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>from Siemens said, um was basically like moving picture. It's

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>like a movie exactly. And then he showed us what

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the movie is with a flipbook, right, that old flipbook trick.

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>And if you listen to this podcast, I'm sorry, I

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 1>just want to apologize for both of us. Semens. Guy.

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, uh, like, hats off to you for doing

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>that at all. Yeah, um, because he's probably saying, well,

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>at least I was correct and everything I said exactly.

0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 1>It's a good point, sir um. But with fluoroscopy, it's

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>basically like a movie of an X ray movie, and

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>you would do this to make sure like a heart

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>is beating correctly because you wanted to see it. But

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you have to have an additional um instrument because, as

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>we've said, X rays will pass through tissue like heart

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.119
<v Speaker 1>tissue and muscle tissue and all and blood vessels and

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff you want to get pictures of using

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>an X ray, so you have to use something called

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the contrast media for it. Yeah. Um. A contrast agent

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>is basically more dense than the soft tissue. So if

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>you want to, uh, let's say, swallow, it's usually like

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>a barium compound. If you want to examine like your

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>blood vessels or your circulatory system, you're sometimes they can

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>inject that, or you might drink it to see if

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you're doing like a gastro intestinal like a GI tract,

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna swallow that stuff, which I've never had to do.

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I think my dad had to do that. Yeah. I

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's super pleasant. I get the impression not

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>too but my dad did as well. Yeah, it's an

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>old dying Yeah, so I should be getting one soon. Uh.

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>And then it allows you, you know, to see him

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>moving image. Uh, basically how that liquid is if there's

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>any blockage. Uh. There's all sorts of applications for it. Yeah,

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>because you're that liquid has a high radiological density, which

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>means that the X rays don't just pass right through

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>your the tissue that it's being suspended in, like your

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>blood vessels, It absorbs it for it. So you get

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a picture of your blood vessels, your circulatory system, which

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>is pretty cool. It's pretty clever. It's also extraordinarily elementary

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and principle my dear Watson. Uh, and that single picture

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I think we know we mentioned CT and momography and

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 1>all that in philoscopy, but the single picture is just

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>called standard radiography. And that's when you're you know, taking

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 1>a photo of your skull or your lungs, or your

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>bones or your teeth and so so. Speaking of the

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>lead apron thing, man, it's always made me kind of nervous,

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Like if I the rest of my body has to

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 1>wear lead apron, and but you're shooting an X ray

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 1>into my head? Am I going to be? Okay? Well

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>we'll answer that right after this message. All right, X

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>rays are they bad for you? The answer is yes, uh,

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty unequivocally. Um, But like all things, it's it's in

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>moderation is the key. Uh. In the nineteen thirties and

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>forties and into the fifties, they had X ray machines

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>at shoe stores. They can extra your feet to get

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>a better fit, and um, they didn't realize at the

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>time that they were X raying people way way too much. Yeah,

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>talkative kids in class, they just shoot him with an

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>X ray and they probably did I've got you like twice. Well,

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>now I would believe that like Hey, let's look at

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>his brain. There may be a mouse running around side

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of it. Um. People in the thirties were dumb. Well,

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>it's basically radiation sickness. Um, it's a form of ionization

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>or ionizing radiation. So what can happen? Like, if just

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>normal light hits an atom, is no big deal. But

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>when an X ray hits an atom, it knocks electrons

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>off of it creates an ion, which is an electrically

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>charged atom, and basically anything from uh, cellular death to

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>mutation can happen at that point, and mutation can spread

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and it can cause cancer. Right because stable atoms are neutral, right,

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>because they have an equal number of protons and electrons.

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>You lose an electron all of a sudden, you have

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a positively charged ion and that negatively charged electron running

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>around and it just causes trouble. And you said light,

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Visible light can be absorbed and it's no big deal

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>because visible light is exists on a wavelength that's about

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>in tune with the soft tissues of our body, right,

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 1>so we know how to absorb it and it makes

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>us tan and that's cool, right. But Um, with these

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>ionized atoms, these positively charged atoms like going around in

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>your body. It can cause a lot of problems like

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>mutations like cancer. Right. Yeah, I mean if you break

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>that DNA chain, that's not good. No, it is. And

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the results is the d The DNA can

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>basically lose its ability to regulate itself and the cell

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>replicates more frequently than it should and all of a sudden,

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you have a tumor on your hands and that can spread.

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>It can also be a problem if that d NA

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>break occurs in utero, because then that can lead to

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>birth defects, which is why pregnant women shouldn't get X

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>rays um. And it can also just lead to plain

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 1>old cellular death. If you have cellular death, then the

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>tissues that are made up by those cells breakdown, and uh,

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>you have a problem on your hands with that as well.

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>So here's the deal. We get exposed to radiation every

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>day just walking around on the planet. Yeah. Um, it

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>depends on where you live. But every year, um, the

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>average person is going to be exposed to anywhere from

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>one to four Uh. It's measured in millisieverts per year um.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, depending on where you are. I think

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>in higher elevations it's less then at sea level. So

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>if you live in Denver, Colorado, you're going to be

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>exposed to less well yeah, because definitely you're higher up

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 1>in the atmosphere and that makes a difference. Exactly you

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>have less protection, right Yeah. So, um, you know what

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>they what they want to do medically speaking, they want

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>to use, or they're supposed to use the minimum amount

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>to achieve the pictures you need. It's not like the

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>old days where they're just like, let's twenty X rays. Yeah, like,

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>let's do the minimum amount we need to get the

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>information that we need. A CT scan can can get

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>your you know, you lay down in the tube and

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>it rotates around you and your whole body can be

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>photographed in less than five seconds days. But um, you

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>know there are concerns if you get too many X

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>rays still, uh like a dental panorama. I think would

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I say one to four millisy verts per year and

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it's cumulative to you should like, it's not. It's not

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>like you get one and then you know, eight months

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>later you get another one and that first one went away,

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Like it accumulates over the course of a year. Yeah.

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>So here's just a few examples of how much radiation

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>you're being exposed to with X rays. UM, a dental

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>panorama is going to be point zero one millisy verts,

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>so not very much. UM, Like two chest X rays

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>might be point one mam or grammars around point four. Uh,

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>your pelvis point six, your back, upper back maybe one

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 1>point zero. Uh. I wonder why because there's so maybe yeah,

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe you have to do with exposure to Yeah, that

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. I got a ton of bone of my

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>upper back. A full CT scan, it depends on what

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you are, UM, it depends on what you're X raying.

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>But CT scan is obviously more like an abdominal or

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>pelvis c T CT scan because be as many as

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>ten millis everts. So that's like up to two or

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>three years worth of radiation in a single CT scan,

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>which can be problematic, which is why they don't say

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>get in the CT machine like every other week. UM.

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But you know some of the reasons you might if

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>you had a traumatic injury, they're gonna X ray you

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times for disease confirmation. They'll use an

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>X ray machine. Uh. During surgery as a visual guide,

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Like if you do endoscopic surgery, the surgeons actually needs

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>to look at something, so sometimes the X rays for

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>that or to monitor your healing process. Um, you know,

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>when you break a bone, it's not just that first

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>X ray. You're gonna keep getting them to see how

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you're healing up video. Huh no, it isn't. Okay, I

0:33:57.880 --> 0:33:59.239
<v Speaker 1>don't think so. I mean I look at so much

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff at all other cumulative research. So, uh, I did

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>a brain stuff on siverts and how many we can

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>take and uh, yeah, it's it's kind of like it's

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a little alarming. Sure how much radiation we're expposed to.

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 1>People who fly a lot too, are exposed to tons

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>of radiation because you're again higher up in the atmosphere,

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>so you're less protected by the atmosphere. Speaking of flying,

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>of course, baggage that is X rayed. The food industries

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>is X rays a lot. Um archaeologists use it if

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to like destroy an object and they

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>want to see what's inside, or earth sciences will use

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 1>X rays for rocks to see what kind of mineral composition.

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>So there's all sorts of applications. It's not just medical.

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Um space, yeah, X ray telescopes out on on satellites

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>apparently you can see a lot um. You can see

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>things you can't detect from an earthbound telescope because X

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>rays are absorbed by our atmosphere, so he can't like

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 1>shoot it into space like that. So this article makes

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good point if you ask me, it says like, yes,

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>X rays are like are bad for you, and you

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>should use them with care and caution. And one one

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>good point is to always ask if there's an alternative

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.959
<v Speaker 1>to an X ray, just to basically say, hey, doc

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 1>or dennists, slow your role. Let's is there another way

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>we can get this information without an X ray. I

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>know it's the easiest, but what are the alternatives? But

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>then the article makes the point like it's still safer

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>than the ultimate alternative, the thing that X rays replaced,

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>which was exploratory surgery. Yeah, back in the day, if

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>you they thought you had cancer, they would cut you

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>open and see and this is definitely better than that

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>or broken bone. Imagine getting that arm cut open just

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>to see how it's doing. They're like, no, it's not broken, right,

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And we haven't invented anesthetic yet. So good luck with

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>your dentist. By the way, because um, I always get

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the feeling that the dentists are like, No, your insurance

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>allows us to build for so many per years, said,

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that's how many you're going to get? These X rays

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 1>are putting my kid through college. Yeah. Uh, you got

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>anything else on X rays? No, that was a fine

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>amount of stuff. I'm feeling good about it. You feel

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.879
<v Speaker 1>good about this one? Sure I do too. Yeah. Uh.

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more about X rays, you

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>can check out this really informative article on how stuff

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>works dot com. It's got some great diagrams that explain

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the stuff we were saying visually. Uh.

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>And you can type x ray into the search bar

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>how stuff works and it will bring that up. Since

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I said search parts. Time for listener mail. Uh, this

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 1>is from my buddy Poppy and Vancouver. Uh stuff you

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>should don't listen to them, meant while I was there,

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and um, Poppy as this is say, he's got a

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool job. He listened to the PTSD show and

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to write in about another option that he works with.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>He's a registered acupuncturist in Vancouver with special training and

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>trauma and addictions. He's a program called Neurotrophic Stimulation Therapy

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>h n T. S T and a large part of

0:36:57.120 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the program uses ear acupuncture and electro acupuncture to promote

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>neuroplasticity in the brain. He says, you can't necessarily directly

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>fix the brain, but you can stimulate the ear nerves

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and will help the brain reregulate certain functionality so it

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>can heal itself. He's been treating trauma and PTSD patients

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 1>for several years and the evidence for his efficacy is high.

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>It can be done with acupuncture needles alone or in

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 1>combination with a mild electrical stimulation UM. Remember we talked

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 1>about UM. Transcranial electro magnetic stimulation. Yeah, transdermal cranial stimulation.

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>He says that's one of the things that he's also

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<v Speaker 1>using to treat PTSD, which is pretty cool, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said it makes cognitive behavioral therapies so much easier to

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<v Speaker 1>introduce because it promotes neuroplasticity and the results help a

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<v Speaker 1>PTSD suffer to be more open to and able to

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<v Speaker 1>receive positive social programming. So he has a program we

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<v Speaker 1>want to promote. If you want to see all the

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<v Speaker 1>components in action in his program, you can visit Last

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<v Speaker 1>or Recovery Society at Last Door dot org, slash nt

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<v Speaker 1>s T or you can donate funds to help purchase

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<v Speaker 1>a brain scanner so that they can scientifically measure the

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<v Speaker 1>results of the program, which would really help show the

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<v Speaker 1>validity of the therapies. And if you're interested in helping

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<v Speaker 1>out Poppies, cause there because he's really big on treating

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<v Speaker 1>veterans in Canada in the US, um I shortened his

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<v Speaker 1>and that is from Poppy and he says, no mistay,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks a lot, Poppy. Is it Poppy with the O

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