1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Body Doors with Joseph Scott More. There's an old adage 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: that says, throughout history, the victors write the story, that 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: they essentially put forth the narrative from their perspective of 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: how things happened. And you know, it can be stated 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: that that comment, if you will, that adage applies primarily 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: to the rise and fall of civilizations and to wars. 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: But there was a smaller war, very smaller war that 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: took place back in the thirties in Middle America. And 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, even though the quote unquote good guys prevailed 10 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: in the end, history doesn't exactly reflect the truth today. 11 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 1: Looking back, we're going to discuss a period in time 12 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: ninety years ago. Today, we're going to talk about the 13 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: deaths of multiple police officers at the hands of two 14 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: of the most infamous cop killers in American history, Bonnie 15 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: and Clyde. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Packs. 16 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: Dave mc my friend. When I hear the name Bienville, 17 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: it evokes memories of my hometown of New Orleans. 18 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: And how far is it from New Orleans. 19 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: Well, Bienville itself, there's multiple streets, are multiple locations in 20 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: New Orleans, that have the name Beingville and it's a 21 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: uniquely French name. But the odd thing about it is 22 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Benville Parish, and Benville Parish 23 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: is nowhere near New Orleans. As a matter of fact, 24 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: it would probably take you, because there's not a really 25 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: good director out. It probably takes you about four hours 26 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: to get there from from New Orleans. It's the parish itself. 27 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: And remember, you know, in my home state, they don't 28 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: have counties that parishes, and Benville Parish actually is closer 29 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: to the Arkansas border than it is Gulf of Mexico, and. 30 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: It's that can be a much better idea. 31 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: And it's not near the Mississippi River. As a matter 32 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: of fact, if you were to show up in Benville 33 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Parish day and ride through, and all of North Louisiana 34 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: has this kind of reputation, it doesn't remind most people 35 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: of what you commonly think of when you think about Louisiana, 36 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: which is swamps and Cajun culture and Creole culture. You 37 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: feel like you're in Texas, like an annex of Texas. 38 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: In North Louisiana. Along the Eye twenty corridor running through there, 39 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: there's horse farms, everywhere, and rolling hills. Now they're not 40 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: huge hills, but it's rolling hills. The soil is red clay. 41 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: It's not that dark, dark gumbost that they call it 42 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: gumbo soil that's down there, you know, that's associated with 43 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: the decay of vegetation and that sort of thing, very swampy. 44 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: It's not like that. It looks like more like you're 45 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: heading to Texas, and you are, because this is not 46 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: too far from Shreeport. And you know that Shreeport on 47 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the E twenty corridor is kind of the gateway out 48 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: of Louisiana into Texas. You continue on down that road 49 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: out of Report headed westbound, and you'll be in Texas 50 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: pretty soon. So but you know, Benville Parish is where 51 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker actually met their end in 52 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: a halo of gunfire. And I think that most people 53 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: understand that. And you know the infamous you know, desert 54 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: colored sedan that they were in that was bullet ridden. 55 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: But I got it. I know I've been prattling on, 56 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: but I got to tell you what initially got me 57 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: interested in this, other than the fact that it took 58 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: place in Louisiana and and I actually have seen that car. 59 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: It used to when I was little, That car that 60 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde died in used to be placed up 61 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: on the back of a flatbed truck and they take 62 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: it all over the South to fairs and people could 63 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: see it. It's kind of a gruesome kind of thing. 64 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: But you know, that's compared to the world that we 65 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: inhabit now, it's kind of tame when you begin to 66 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: think about it. 67 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: You know, you can still see the car. Yeah yeah, 68 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: John Champ play at the Prim Valley Resort and Casino. 69 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, isn't that something? And I was telling you 70 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: about my son Noah the other day. Up in I 71 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: guess Ripley's, I think the Crime Museum or something up 72 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: in Pigeon Forge, you can see Ted Bundy's car right there, 73 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: the Volkswagen and John Wane Gacy's clown suits and all 74 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So it's rather macabre, but yeah, 75 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fascinating bit of certainly crime history, 76 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of woven its way through through 77 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: our tails. I think, you know when you think about. 78 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: It, well, when you mentioned the color of it, Joe, 79 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: most of us don't know because we've only seen black 80 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: and white photos unless you've seen it in person. I haven't. 81 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: I've only seen it in pictures, and some of the 82 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: pictures that we've seen or that have been shown are 83 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: pretty graphic in terms of the bullets in the car 84 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: and the shots that were on Bonnie and Clyde. I 85 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: know there have been some over the years, not leaked 86 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: to the press, but published by newspapers all over the 87 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: country because this was at the era in the early 88 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: thirties where the Great Depression had set in and banks 89 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: were in disfavor with most Americans at the time. The 90 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: banks were blamed for a lot of the undoing of 91 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: our financial structure in this country. And so at first, 92 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: when you had these people that Bonnie and Clyde, Dillinger, 93 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: pretty Boy Floyd, you know, you had a. 94 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Whole litten baby face Nelson. 95 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: Yes, they all had nick they had nicknames that just 96 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: you know, there was they were celebrities in a way. 97 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: There were no not no, you're absolutely right. And Capone, 98 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean Capone, I mean, and I know 99 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: that that's a little bit different, but they're all kind 100 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: of swirling around that same toilet bowl. Yeah, yeah, you're 101 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: absolutely right. 102 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: And when this one on Capone was in Alcatraz by then, 103 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: by the thirties, wasn't he. 104 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: I think it was. It was a little bit later 105 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: in the thirties or maybe the early forties. 106 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 107 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: Of course he wound up. Of course he wound up 108 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: dying of syphilis. 109 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: Why is the you and I go right there every 110 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: time he died of the things they warned us about 111 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: in health class in seventh or eighth grade. There you go, 112 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: all right. Anyway, Bonnie and Clyde, they were very young. 113 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when they started their life of crime. Bonnie 114 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: had already been married and actually was currently married when 115 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: she met Clyde Barrow. I think she was like nineteen, 116 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: she was nineteen, yeah, yeah, and she was already married 117 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: and her husband was in jail, and they hit it off. 118 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: But Clyde ended up in the clink very shortly after 119 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: he met Bonnie. He ended up in jail and she 120 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: actually they met and just connected. You You hear of 121 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: stories of people talking about love her sight and things 122 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, Bonnie and Clyde very close to that. Again, 123 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: she was already married to somebody else. He's in prison. 124 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: Clyde had been in and out of jail. By the way, 125 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: to give you an idea of how old they were, 126 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: Clyde was twenty five, Bonnie was twenty three when they 127 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: were killed. 128 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not talking about a huge amount of time. 129 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: No, very short window here. And it was Bonnie Parker 130 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: that smuggled a gun into Clyde in prison for him 131 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: to break out of jail. Yeah, that's they just connected 132 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: so fast and boom. She didn't do that for her husband, 133 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: but she did it for Clyde. 134 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: Did it for Clyde and he was and he's a 135 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: little bidial guy. Yeah, she was tiny as well. I 136 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: think that people build these folks up so that they're 137 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: you know that you think that they're giants walking the earth, 138 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: and they're really not. And when you think about how 139 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: much devastation they reaked that it was roughly a two 140 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: year period. 141 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: Like twenty month. There's a twenty one month span from 142 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: the beginning to the end of killing. And by the way, 143 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: they were not good thieves, you know, they were not 144 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: bank robbers that made a lot of money. They'd never 145 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: actually scored a lot of money. I think their average 146 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: take was like eighty bucks. But what they were was 147 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,479 Speaker 2: they were soulless, merciless killers who killed more police officers 148 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,479 Speaker 2: than civilians. 149 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: Think about that. Yeah, they did, And I think that's 150 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: an extension. And I've heard this reported before. You know that. 151 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: You know Clyde Apparently he wound up in prison as 152 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: a result. They hooked him up on a beef over 153 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: a stolen chicken. That's kind of his first entree into this. 154 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: No pun intended there. And then I think he failed 155 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: to return a rental car of all things. But here's 156 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: what happened when he got in side with the penitentiary 157 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: or the jail in Texas. He wound up getting raped 158 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: multiple times inside of that institution. And so and like 159 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: I said, he was a really tiny guy and he 160 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: probably had a really hard time defending himself. There was 161 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: a prison guard that is counted on his scorecard as 162 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: a result of a death, you know, And so that 163 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: extension of police officers if you've crossed his path, Because 164 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: let's face it, heat this is kind of an interesting take, 165 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know if people have really thought about this. 166 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about serial killers, and we have 167 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: now for decades. Can you, Dave Mack, my friend, remember 168 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: any serial killer that targeted police officers. 169 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: Wow. 170 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: No, and he found a compatriot in Bonnie. 171 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 172 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: And they were out to kill cops. I mean, and 173 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: these these are young, young fellows that they're killing, and 174 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: many of them had families. 175 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: And you know, you mentioned young Joe. Very quickly the 176 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: tide turned on Bonnie and Clyde because of the killing 177 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: of a police officer on Easter Sunday who was on 178 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: his second day on the job. Up until then, they 179 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: were folk heroes, you know, they were robbing banks that 180 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: had you know, destroyed people's lives, killing police officers. I 181 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: don't know what the I don't know what the average 182 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: take was on that in the nineteen thirties. I don't know, 183 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: but I do know this after there was, like before 184 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: the killing of the police officer on that Easter Sunday, 185 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: there was kind of a groundswell of support entertainment value 186 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: of watching the Shenanigans of Bonnie and Clyde in the 187 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: Barrow game. After that murder for no reason, killing these 188 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: two police officers, not in the shootout, not in the shootout. 189 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: That was when people Okay, these are evil people. We 190 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: got to get them, you know, we have to take 191 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: them out now. And that's what led to the beginning. 192 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the end. Granted they were 193 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: being hunted, but. 194 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were, and they became you know, they used 195 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: to love to use the term mad dog. Yeah, dog killer. 196 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: And there was actually a guy who's associated with the 197 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: New York Underworld. 198 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: Underworld. 199 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: I think it was mad Dog McCall was his name. 200 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: And a matter of fact, I think the movie The 201 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Cotton Club back in the eighties, maybe eighty four, Nicholas 202 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: Cage actually played a character that's based on that guy 203 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: and went by that name, and so they used that 204 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: term mad and I think and it's an easy you know, 205 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: when you're a rural person and you've got a dog 206 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: out in the yard that's foaming at the mouth, that's 207 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: baring its teeth, and you know what's going on. It 208 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: not just indicates danger, but it also indicates a disease, 209 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: a level of lethality that you know that if you 210 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: don't put them down, they're not gonna stop. Dave, I 211 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: got a question for you, brother, have you have you 212 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: ever done something that felt wrong when you were doing 213 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: it but it really wasn't wrong, but yet you had 214 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: this kind of feeling, you know, like and if somebody 215 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: saw me doing this or getting caught with this, I'd 216 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: be in trouble. Has that ever happened to you. I'm 217 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: not asking to reveal any deep dark secrets here, but. 218 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: Boy okay, I'll go along with that and say yes. 219 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: And that's all I'm going to get out of you. 220 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Oh look, man, this is I tell you, this is bogus. Man. 221 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: I was really hoping we were going to open the 222 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: vault here on Dave mac No. 223 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: I can't you know what, Joe, I look at now 224 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: a statue of limitations. You know, if you start thinking 225 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: about I always said if I ever ran for office, 226 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: my slogan would be yes, I did you know? 227 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: Just because well, I gotta tell you something real quick 228 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: that I felt I had that feeling about myself when 229 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: and it has to do with Bonnie and Claude. 230 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 231 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: I guess it was probably nineteen eighty eight or eighty seven. 232 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: I can't recall. Went to a state corners convention in Louisiana, 233 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: where I was working at the time, and it's kind 234 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: of that's as you can imagine, that's kind of an 235 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: interesting event to go to, particularly if you were not 236 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: in that world. If you were an observer and you 237 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: could come in because you can imagine all of the 238 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: stories that are being told in this environment. I think 239 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: that it might make some people at crime con blush 240 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: more than likely because they you know you, and particularly 241 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: during that time period, all those years, all those years ago, 242 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: there were you know, so many things that were going 243 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: on relative to serial killings and just horrible crimes that 244 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people had never heard of because you 245 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: didn't have the vast media coverage. But back to my 246 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: big reveal here. When I was there, I was with 247 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: my mentor. It was my first first time I'd ever been, 248 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: and it was my mentor that had trained me as 249 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: a death investigator. Arguably, in my opinion, probably the best 250 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: forensic scientist and practitioner I've ever been around in my life. 251 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: Name was Bill. Bill introduced me to a group of 252 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: people that were Corners from North Louisiana. Now remember we're 253 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: down in New Orleans and we're chatting and I met 254 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: the corner from being vill Perish and he tells Bill, 255 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: I've got something for you, but don't tell anybody. You know. 256 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: Bill says, you know, he's like talking to me, and 257 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know what he's got, but he says, 258 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: I can't tell anybody, but I'm telling you. And the 259 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: next thing I knew, Bill's like waving me over to 260 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: the side, right, and this is we went we were 261 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: tired somewhere for drinks, all right, and we're kind of 262 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: hold up in a lounge and he says, you're not 263 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: going to believe what I've got. I was like, okay, 264 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: hit me, I said, does this have something to do 265 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: with the guy from being Vilpairs? He's like, yeah, You're 266 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: not gonna believe what I got. I was like, okay, 267 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: what have you got? He says, I've got a copy 268 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: of the Corners records from body and Cloude's examination post mortem. 269 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: I was like what, because you know, back during that time, Dave, 270 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: as you well know, you've been in the You've been 271 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: in media for quite quite a while. You remember, back 272 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: you didn't have access to this kind of stuff. Now 273 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: you cann't just go online like you can. And if 274 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: you go online now you can actually see the Corner's 275 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: jury report that's written out in longhand it looks like 276 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: it's written in pencil. It's the same one that I 277 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: was given all those years. Now and now it's everywhere, 278 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, and it's been transcribed because I remember sitting 279 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: down day when I got this thing, because day day, 280 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Bill made a copy of it for me 281 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: when we got back, and it's on legal, legal sized paper, 282 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: so you had to load legal paper into the copier. 283 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: He made me copies of this thing, and I actually 284 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: had to take a magnifying glass out and try to 285 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: make out because this is all written in longhand none 286 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: of this stuff was typed up, and all of a sudden, 287 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: the world kind of burst open for me because for 288 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: the first time I'd seen images, you know, in publications 289 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: and all these sorts of things. I'd heard the tales 290 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: as a kid, I'd seen the car. But when you 291 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: have that document in front of you that recorded this 292 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: event and these people that were there and they're actually 293 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: relaying what they saw in regards to bonding Clyde, it 294 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: was It was quite amazing, It really was, because you 295 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: had a clothing description, you know. The only only point 296 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: of reference I had I don't know about you was 297 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: Faye Dunaway and Warren Baby, you know, in that movie 298 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 1: from back in the sixties, which is horrible because I 299 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: think that it you know, it further propagated this idea 300 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: that these people were were heroes and isn't that isn't 301 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: that horrible? You know kind of how they painted this 302 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: relative to these people. And we've had this this evolution 303 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: over a period of time, and I hope that it continues. 304 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: But you know, in addition to for folks that have 305 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: never been to that area up there, it's it's beenvil 306 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: perish and it's it's obviously not populated by the most 307 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: wealthy people in the world. They're salt of the earth 308 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: people that grind a life out. They make their they 309 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: make their living, you know, in aggra based stuff or 310 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: their pulp witters. And here's something fascinating that that I 311 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: discovered because I went out to the site the location 312 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: of where the ambush took place, because you know, Kim 313 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: and I we were on the road and we were like, hey, 314 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: here's Gibbsland, because that's the address that it carries. But 315 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: it's actually about eight miles outside of Gibbsland, and so 316 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: it's a two lane state highway and it's got new 317 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: growth pine forest on both sides of the road that 318 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: has obviously been harvested for pulpwood. Over the years, and 319 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: there is this stone monument that sits in this kind 320 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: of dusty red clay area just off the shoulder of 321 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: the road, and over the years it's been chipped away. 322 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: There's chunks of it that are missing because people show 323 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: up with a hammer or chisel and they'll take a 324 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: piece of it. And there's weird poetry that's been scribbled 325 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: or left in bottles that kind of occupies this space 326 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: around there. And then when you look across the road 327 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: from where this thing is, and this was kind of interesting, 328 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: there are these tiny, these tiny little wellheads that are 329 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: capped off that the field is just populated with and 330 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: those are natural gas wellheads, right, and you know, and 331 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: I find that there's a bit of irony, I think 332 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: in that regarding their deaths. You know, they saw it, 333 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: they sought this fantastic, you know idea that yeah, we're 334 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: gonna murder cops, we're gonna try to pick up some 335 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: money along the way, and here they are, you know, 336 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: they're just absolutely riddled there in that spot, allegedly. And 337 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: then across the way is a field that is representative 338 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: of all the money in the world that you could 339 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: ever want if you had access to it and so 340 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know Serve God or Mammon, I guess, 341 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: but you know, you look there and you see that 342 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: and it's kind of kind of a fascinating bit. But 343 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: it's isolated, Dave. This location is so far out there. 344 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: And you know when when Hamer, who is the retired 345 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: UH Texas ranger. 346 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: Frank Hammer and many Gault, they were out. 347 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: There, yeah, in many Galt and they they went out 348 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: there with a posse and it was it was a posse, 349 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: uh and they they they sat and waited in that 350 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: brush line. And you know there's been reports. I don't know, Dave, 351 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: if you've ever gotten gotten covered in red bugs at 352 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: any point in time in your life, these guys had 353 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: red bugs on them. It's May, it's North Louisiana. It's hot, 354 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: it's humid, you're dehydrated, and you don't know when these 355 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: people are going to show up. Because they were going 356 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: actually to the home of the parent of one of 357 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: their compatriots. 358 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: It was actually Henry Methven. It was just Body and 359 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: Clyde at this point, and the Frank Hamer and many 360 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: Gal knew that they were probably going to be paying 361 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: a visit to Henry metfin Or his family just didn't 362 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: need a place to sleep because Bonnie had been hurt 363 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: in a car accident in June of nineteen thirty three. 364 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: Her face was burned, her arms were burned, her chest 365 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: was caved in. According to Blanche, she had injuries from 366 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: this accident that she never recovered from, and they had 367 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: to take time for her to get off the road 368 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: for a little while. And that's where they thought they'd 369 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 2: be heading to Henry Methven's dad. And that's why Frank 370 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 2: hammer Hamer and Manny Galt actually camped out and waited. 371 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: And it was not hours, it was days. 372 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: It was days. 373 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: And you mentioned the bugs, And that's the one thing 374 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: that was written about these guys, Hammer Galt and a 375 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: couple other guys. They're waiting, They're waiting in the bushes. 376 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: They're waiting for Bonnie and Clyde to come driving by. 377 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: So let me ask something. Do you know why they 378 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: were were waiting? Do you know why they were willing 379 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: to endure that heat and that humidity and red bugs 380 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: and skeeters and all manner of everything else that was 381 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: up in the brush there along along with them, maybe 382 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: copperheads and battlesnakes and everything else that's in that area. 383 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: You're talking about Spring. They had had it up to hear. 384 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: I think what it comes down to is that Frank 385 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: Hamer and his posse wanted to be on one level 386 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: that reassurance that they were wearing white hats and that 387 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: they were going to do whatever they possibly could to 388 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: bring a resolution to this horror and quiet the public. 389 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: Because it's one thing for some newspaper and some far 390 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: flung place away from Beingville Parish, Louisiana up in New 391 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: York or Chicago at the time, or maybe even La 392 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: to write a piece about how romantic this all is. 393 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: But when you're down on the ground and you're a 394 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: cop store owner or maybe working in a bank, you 395 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: live your life in terror. Hey, Dave, you remember a 396 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago we did an episode of body 397 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: Bags on the Corner System. Yeah, do you recall that. 398 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: I remember studying after the fact. That was the most 399 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: enlighten I learned so much on that episode, and a 400 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: number of people have actually sent in emails about how 401 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: much we all learned. It was like being in class. 402 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: But I just remember when you and I I went okay, 403 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: I got to figure this out. 404 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a weird world that you 405 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: enter into when you walk to the door with Joseph 406 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I'm sorry for I'm sorry for any trauma 407 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: that it was awesome. 408 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: I had no idea, Joe. I mean, it was one 409 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: of those things where I had no you know, one 410 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 2: of the things you don't know what you don't know. 411 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 2: I had no idea what I didn't know. 412 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: Well, the corner system in Louisiana is interesting. It's interesting everywhere, 413 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: but you know, unlike other states, in Louisiana there are 414 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: a couple others, but specifically I'm speaking to Louisiana. In 415 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: order to run for the office of corner there, you 416 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: have to be a physician, and that has always been 417 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: the case. It's not that's not something new under the sun. 418 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: And you know, when there was a uh an exam 419 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: that had to be conducted on the remain means of 420 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde, it was it fell to the corner 421 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: of being parish at that particular time to you know, 422 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: to facilitate that had to make it happen, and it was, 423 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, it was it was done. Doctor Wade was 424 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: actually the corner there, and you know, go, hey, let's 425 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: the old country doctor. 426 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: When you have like a case that is this big, 427 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: that has national, you know, international coverage of this these people, 428 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: is there not a way to bring in somebody at 429 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: the fact, you know, bigger, more educated. I mean, I 430 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: know that the law requires that it is handled like 431 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: right here, but kind of like when JFK was killed 432 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: thirty years later, they took his body out of Dallas 433 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 2: and got it to Washington, d C. Granted he was 434 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: the president, but these people are famous criminals. They've broken 435 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: the law in several states. Was there any thought that 436 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 2: we need to bring somebody else in to do the 437 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: autopsy or was it just get it done and get 438 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: them out. 439 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, hang on for a minute, because I got to 440 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: tell you, relative to JFK, they did not take take 441 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: him certainly to the finest that was available. They went 442 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the barrel. As far as I'm 443 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: concerned with. With Bonnie and Clyde, however it was. It 444 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: was the office of corner and being Vialparish, you know, 445 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: reflecting back, I told you about the about the you know, 446 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: the report that that I'd been given, you know, all 447 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: all these many years ago that I wanted to talk 448 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: about and this sort of thing. And the thing is 449 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: is handwritten. 450 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I could not understand when you 451 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: told me you got a magnifying glass. I looked at it. 452 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: I looked at this bayer going over and I'm like, 453 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: how did you read that? 454 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's something to see 455 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: and look, anybody can see it. I recommend you know. 456 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: All you got to do is is you know, uh 457 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: is Google search? Yeah, Google search office. You know, the 458 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 1: the Corners Report of the bodies of Bonnie and Clyde Parker, 459 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: and you'll find it. It's there, and it's really it's 460 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: very difficult to kind of decipher. But you know, looking 461 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: back in time and when I saw this thing, I 462 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: thought that they did a pretty good job. But you 463 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: know what's really interesting about body in Clyde's case, Davis, 464 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: they didn't actually do an autopsy. I don't know if 465 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: you know that. No, they did not actually do an autopsy. 466 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: You had what was impaneled back then. It's called a 467 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: corner's jury, and it was a collection of men. Corner's 468 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: juries are a thing, and it's almost like, I don't 469 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: know how to describe it other than kind of like 470 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: a grand jury where you're trying to where a grand jury, 471 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: you're trying to decide if there is enough information to 472 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: indict somebody, if you're going to true bill or no 473 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: true bill. A case, right, a criminal case with a 474 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: corner's jury. Their purpose was to be there for the 475 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: corner to present evidence to them that how they were 476 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: going to rule the death. Okay, what are they going 477 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: to call this? Are they going to call this homicide? Suicide? 478 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: You know, what are they going to call this? And obviously, 479 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, we sit here and we think about, uh, 480 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: well it was pretty obvious, you know how Bonninge died there. Yes, 481 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: it is. This is a homicide. Yeah, absolutely, I mean 482 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing that wasn't accidental. It's not suicide. Uh you know, yeah, yeah. 483 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: And it's just like just like a you know, uh, 484 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: an execution in a state penitentiary is a homicide. Okay, 485 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: you can't call it anything else, period. And so they 486 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: impaneled a jury, a corner jury, and it's not that 487 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: they had trouble determinant. But it goes back to an 488 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: interesting statement you made just a moment ago. This is 489 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: going to be the official record going forward forever and 490 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: ever and ever and ever. Amen. And the fascinating thing 491 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: is that when they're looking at this, you've got all 492 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: of these men that are impaneled on this jury with 493 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: a corner being the leader of it, and they're there 494 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: to verify because who else is going to verify? Remember 495 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: the world that they're living in. They're living in a world, 496 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: Dave that news. I mean, it doesn't move move at 497 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: the speed that say the Pony Express moved at. But 498 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, you're still working with telegraphs, they're using telephone. 499 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: I think there may have been a rudimentary facts by 500 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: that by that point in Tom, I think they called 501 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: it something else. But you still it moves slowly. You 502 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: had to have somebody there that would that would verify 503 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: that these people were in fact dead, And it's better 504 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,959 Speaker 1: than just having one person to verify the death. Now 505 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: you got a whole group of people. And not only 506 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: do you have a group, all these guys are signing 507 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: off on this, and you can see the list of 508 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: their signatures. You know, when you look down, when you 509 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: look down the page on this thing, they're all there 510 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: and their names are affixed to this documents as odd 511 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: as it is. There were looking at it physically looking 512 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: at it right now. There's five people that have signed 513 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: onto this, in addition to doctor Wade who was there. 514 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: And you know, they go into, you know, great detail 515 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: about describing the bodies and the injuries. You know, Bonnie, 516 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: Bonnie actually received the worst of it. Not that what 517 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: Clyde had received wasn't wasn't bad, But there's a story 518 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: that goes on out there relative to Bonnie's body. And 519 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: just imagine this. She was hit so many times. And 520 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: I'll go into kind of the nastiness of these wounds 521 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: in just a second, but just kind of let me 522 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: set this up. She was shot so many times that 523 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: they actually had a very difficult time embalming her body. 524 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: So just imagine we have to think about the way 525 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: the embalming process works. It's a profusion of embalming fluid, 526 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, in the major vessels of the body. The 527 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: bodies on a table, it's kind of tilted from the 528 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: head down. They've got these trow cars that they go 529 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: into the body with and they start their little pump. 530 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: In days gone past, the mortician would use a foot pump, 531 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, to infuse the body with embalming fluid. Well 532 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: can you imagine that? And they still have to do 533 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: this today with multiple gunshot one cases, but they had 534 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: she was springing leaks and let that set in just 535 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: for a second. So you've got the vessels that carry 536 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: the blood obviously are now being perfused with embalming fluid. 537 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: And the way the thing works is through gravity. You're 538 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: as as the body is being profused with the embalming fluid. 539 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: Traditionally you can see the line coming out of the 540 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: body and the blood is being pushed out of the body. 541 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: It's being replaced by embalming fluid. Well, it wasn't getting 542 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: to that point. The holes were there and the body 543 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: had to be plugged in order to take on the 544 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: embalming fluid. 545 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 2: Joe I was looking at the list of these injuries 546 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: and it was listed out on Bonnie. Okay, on Bonnie. 547 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: I actually had to look at this several times because 548 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: you mentioned probably written in pencil. Yeah, the penmanship is weak. 549 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: But shot in the left breast going into chest. This 550 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 2: was a description of a bullet wound. Shot four inches 551 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 2: below the ear, another shot entering above the right knee, 552 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: two shots front leg, two shots right leg, gunshot wound 553 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 2: around edge of hair one and a half inches above 554 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: the left ear. Another threw the mouth on the left side, 555 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 2: exiting at top of jaw, another at middle just below 556 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 2: left jaw, Another above clavical left side, going into the neck, 557 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: Another entering chest two inches below the inner side of 558 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: the left shoulder. Two shots about two inches below the 559 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: left shoulder, fracturing the bone. Another wound on the elbow 560 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: of the left arm. Another entering left chest above the heart, 561 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 2: breaking ribs. Six shots entering three inches on back region 562 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 2: left side. Five pellet wounds about the middle of the 563 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: left side. Cuts from glass on the ankle, cut on 564 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 2: top of left foot, apparently from glass cut on center 565 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: of right thigh, cut six inches in leg about three 566 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: and a half inches center of right leg. Eight metal 567 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: fragments centering across the front of face. 568 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: There you go, wow, So it's yeah, it's. 569 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: Now, I see, I get that. By the way, that's 570 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: not the complete list. 571 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: No, No, it goes on. And you know, Clydes is 572 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: almost as robust. But you know they wanted obviously the 573 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: purpose here was to make sure that they were I 574 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: used the term neutralized just a month ago, and that's 575 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: a very clinical term, but they wanted They were mad dogs, 576 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: and they knew the importance of putting them down. First off, 577 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: I think probably and this is me projecting, because I 578 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't presume to get inside their mind, 579 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: but you know, I think that any right there's right 580 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: thinking person would probably conclude that not only did they 581 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: need to neutralize this threat, but they needed to send 582 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: a message. They need to send a message to those 583 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: individuals that thought that they could go out and randomly 584 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: do whatever they wanted to do, which includes murdering police officers. 585 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: And of course they brought this to an end. And 586 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: right quick, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body 587 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: Backs