WEBVTT - Zorro! That guy with the sword! 0:00:01.490 --> 0:00:05.070 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.230 --> 0:00:13.990 Olay and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's 0:00:14.130 --> 0:00:17.880 Chuck and Jerry's here too. We call Jerry Zorro all 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:22.440 the time because Zorro is Spanish for box. And this 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:23.500 is Stuff You Should Know. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.020 Did you, has Zorro ever said olay? Is that a 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:28.460 Zorro thing? 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:33.580 No, that is a bumbling, stereotypical American thing to say. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.420 Oh, I would have said. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:40.000 Oh, yeah, that would have been much better. 0:00:40.020 --> 0:00:43.529 I don't think so, because I didn't even do a Z. 0:00:43.590 --> 0:00:45.409 I just did three lines. I did it wrong. 0:00:49.790 --> 0:00:54.090 So, yeah, we're talking Zorro today. And I have a 0:00:54.130 --> 0:00:55.100 question for you, Chuck. 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:56.220 Oh, boy. 0:00:56.300 --> 0:01:00.810 You know, people are. Before you go, there's actual Reddit 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:06.120 threads about people loving the age-old Joshism of things like, 0:01:06.819 --> 0:01:09.360 have you ever eaten a peanut or whatever? 0:01:09.380 --> 0:01:12.030 Have you ever seen a grown man naked? 0:01:13.110 --> 0:01:14.350 All right, fire away. What's this one? 0:01:15.050 --> 0:01:18.150 Chuck, have you ever heard of Zorro? 0:01:18.170 --> 0:01:18.290 No. 0:01:21.630 --> 0:01:22.639 That was not. 0:01:23.510 --> 0:01:23.970 Oh, no. 0:01:24.130 --> 0:01:27.010 Anything else would have been a letdown. That was perfect. Yeah, 0:01:27.030 --> 0:01:29.490 I know Zorro, and I guess I was into Zorro 0:01:29.510 --> 0:01:33.520 at one point because after, at least like an hour ago, 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.480 after two days of kind of looking into this, I 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.760 remembered suddenly out of the blue that I went to 0:01:38.780 --> 0:01:40.700 Zorro for Halloween when I was a kid one year. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:41.660 Oh, really? 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.420 Yeah. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:43.800 That's pretty great. 0:01:44.420 --> 0:01:47.600 I was Zorro one year, and then I also remember I. 0:01:49.210 --> 0:01:51.530 I'm sure it's not a movie that I hate the 0:01:51.570 --> 0:01:54.300 term age as well, but I'm sure there's all sorts 0:01:54.330 --> 0:02:01.140 of terrible stereotypical homophobic jokes in it. But boy, when 0:02:01.180 --> 0:02:03.620 I was a kid, I loved Zorro the Gay Blade 0:02:03.900 --> 0:02:04.220 a lot. 0:02:04.780 --> 0:02:07.320 I think it's one big homophobic joke, isn't it? 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.780 Well, I mean, the plot is that Zorro is injured 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.870 and his twin gay brother shows up to town to 0:02:16.090 --> 0:02:16.970 take care of business. 0:02:17.330 --> 0:02:18.290 And what's his brother's name? 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:21.300 Oh, God. 0:02:22.810 --> 0:02:25.150 Bunny Periwinkle? No, what is it? 0:02:25.730 --> 0:02:26.690 Bunny Wigglesworth. 0:02:26.750 --> 0:02:27.929 Bunny Wigglesworth. 0:02:28.910 --> 0:02:29.570 So dumb. 0:02:29.590 --> 0:02:31.770 I would like to check it out again. I wonder 0:02:31.810 --> 0:02:34.029 if there's any sort of forward-thinking humor at all. 0:02:35.050 --> 0:02:38.040 I don't get the impression there is. I watched it 0:02:38.060 --> 0:02:39.739 when I was younger, too, but everything was just ridiculous. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.910 Right over my head. I was like, that guy talks funny, basically. 0:02:43.940 --> 0:02:46.410 I was about that age. And so I went back 0:02:46.470 --> 0:02:50.299 and read the Roger Ebert, like 1981 review of it. 0:02:50.310 --> 0:02:51.549 Oh, what did Ebert think? 0:02:51.889 --> 0:02:54.109 He thought it was pretty dumb. He said that like 0:02:54.150 --> 0:02:56.690 they played it in all the wrong ways, that it 0:02:56.730 --> 0:02:59.510 could have been funnier, but the whole premise was just 0:02:59.590 --> 0:03:02.910 not good because none of it was played straight. It 0:03:02.950 --> 0:03:05.650 was all played jokey in that they didn't pull it off, 0:03:05.690 --> 0:03:07.790 you know? So he gave it a two out of four. 0:03:07.970 --> 0:03:10.070 So I guess he halfway liked it. Yeah. 0:03:10.350 --> 0:03:14.830 Well, maybe he liked the one brother because George Hamilton 0:03:14.850 --> 0:03:17.389 played both. Yeah. 0:03:17.570 --> 0:03:22.530 Yeah, maybe. He's like, I like the Bunny Wigglesworth character, 0:03:22.590 --> 0:03:23.410 but the Zorro. 0:03:24.889 --> 0:03:28.070 And then I was also in the theaters for the 0:03:28.070 --> 0:03:32.650 1998 and Antonio Banderas version and really enjoyed it. So 0:03:32.710 --> 0:03:34.330 I guess I was into Zorro at one point. 0:03:35.060 --> 0:03:38.550 Was that because you had seen Desperado, the sequel to 0:03:38.690 --> 0:03:41.790 El Mariachi, and were like, I like this Antonio Banderas cat? 0:03:42.450 --> 0:03:44.250 Which one was first? Was that Zorro? 0:03:45.230 --> 0:03:47.570 Zorro came after Desperado, like three years after. 0:03:47.590 --> 0:03:47.950 Did it really? 0:03:48.210 --> 0:03:48.570 Oh, okay. 0:03:49.110 --> 0:03:50.850 I mean, I liked all that stuff. That was peak 0:03:50.950 --> 0:03:52.090 Antonio Banderas for me. 0:03:52.590 --> 0:03:56.970 Yeah, I think Desperado launched Antonio Banderas to his peak, 0:03:57.030 --> 0:03:58.010 if I'm not mistaken. 0:03:58.430 --> 0:03:59.510 Great movie. I loved it. 0:03:59.970 --> 0:04:03.300 So good. So good. Although I've always felt bad for 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.180 the guy who was in the first El Mariachi that 0:04:06.220 --> 0:04:11.380 Robert Rodriguez traded up to Antonio Banderas from. Yeah. 0:04:11.540 --> 0:04:13.770 And it was a weird sort of sequel, sort of remake, 0:04:13.830 --> 0:04:16.130 but I liked them both. El Mariachi is great. 0:04:16.870 --> 0:04:17.880 I don't know if I ever saw it. 0:04:18.390 --> 0:04:22.670 It's really good. And he made it for like $ 8, 000 0:04:21.190 --> 0:04:21.550 or something. 0:04:21.930 --> 0:04:25.410 No, I know. That's like the legendary indie film movie 0:04:26.350 --> 0:04:28.610 production story. That's what I was after. 0:04:28.690 --> 0:04:29.740 You got there. 0:04:30.890 --> 0:04:33.980 So, yeah, let's get back to Zorro. And Antonio Banderas 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.180 wasn't the biggest tangent we've ever been on because he 0:04:36.220 --> 0:04:38.300 did play Zorro and he did kind of bring Zorro 0:04:38.380 --> 0:04:42.300 back for a whole new generation. But Zorro, my friend, 0:04:42.740 --> 0:04:46.640 has been around for more than 100 years. Zorro recently 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.780 celebrated his 107th birthday, Chuck. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.130 That's right, because it came about for the first time 0:04:55.150 --> 0:04:59.150 in a Pulp Fiction serial in 1919 called The Curse 0:04:59.170 --> 0:05:05.410 of Capistrano. And All Story Weekly written by Johnston McCulley. 0:05:05.470 --> 0:05:06.210 Not what I expected. 0:05:07.170 --> 0:05:10.669 No. Irish-American journalist. I think he was a political journalist 0:05:10.730 --> 0:05:14.270 and he just wrote fiction on the side. And he 0:05:14.290 --> 0:05:19.660 had basically, I guess, heard stories and legends of real-life 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:25.460 bandits and banditos everywhere. In California's history, specifically, there is 0:05:25.620 --> 0:05:29.059 a whole big podcast just waiting for us to do 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:39.190 on the transition from Spanish-Mexican rule to Anglo-American rule of California. 0:05:39.330 --> 0:05:42.250 Because that was a rough and ugly transition, it turns out. 0:05:42.850 --> 0:05:48.349 And that's essentially where Zorro takes place. Because of those transitions, 0:05:48.370 --> 0:05:51.060 because of all the injustice, it was a little bit 0:05:51.180 --> 0:05:54.880 mixed and different, muddled up, I guess, as we'll see 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.620 by Macaulay. But the stuff that he based it on 0:05:57.660 --> 0:06:01.460 was taking place around that time. And actually, a lot 0:06:01.500 --> 0:06:03.539 of this stuff did happen in real life, although there 0:06:03.580 --> 0:06:05.020 was no actual Zorro. 0:06:05.670 --> 0:06:08.050 Yeah, for sure. I don't think we have to go 0:06:08.070 --> 0:06:11.470 over all of these people that it was perhaps based on, 0:06:11.570 --> 0:06:14.550 unless you want to. But we should definitely talk about... 0:06:15.150 --> 0:06:20.950 Joaquin Murrieta, because that actually shows up in the Antonio 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.300 Banderas movie version. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.620 Yeah. Oh, OK. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:24.860 Yeah. 0:06:24.900 --> 0:06:28.839 So it's me. So Joaquin Murrieta is. 0:06:29.260 --> 0:06:30.580 Wait, did you not get your script this week? 0:06:31.140 --> 0:06:33.600 No, I didn't. I didn't get that. What do they 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.120 call the last minute revisions? 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:35.779 Sides. 0:06:36.140 --> 0:06:36.560 Sides. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.219 Yeah. All right. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:43.440 Momo ate them. Oh, no. So Joaquin Murrieta, that's probably 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.140 my favorite first name in the whole world. I like it. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.940 He may not have actually existed. He was definitely a 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.479 figure from legend. There is some support that he actually, 0:06:56.940 --> 0:07:00.030 that he might have existed. But for the most part, 0:07:00.089 --> 0:07:02.630 everything we know about him is legend and then was 0:07:02.690 --> 0:07:05.950 based on a fiction novel that was based on the legend. 0:07:06.390 --> 0:07:08.570 But the legend goes essentially like this, that he was 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:14.100 born in Sonora in Mexico in 1830. And when he 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:19.830 was 18, he went to California to become a minor 48er, 0:07:19.890 --> 0:07:24.970 I guess, in the gold brush. And he became one 0:07:25.010 --> 0:07:29.450 of many Mexican prospectors who had a claim and had 0:07:29.470 --> 0:07:32.270 his own little mine, did his mining there. And everything 0:07:32.310 --> 0:07:35.660 was going just fine for two years until California became 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.820 a U.S. state. And the Anglo-Americans were like, this is 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.239 our state now. Give us your mine. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.900 Yeah. I mean, this stuff has been going on a 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.920 long time, all the way back in 1850. They said, hey, 0:07:47.140 --> 0:07:49.620 even though you've been here forever, we are here now. 0:07:50.270 --> 0:07:52.250 So that makes you a foreigner, even though you're in 0:07:52.270 --> 0:07:54.550 your homeland. And so we're going to pass the Foreign 0:07:54.590 --> 0:07:59.230 Miners Act. And that basically rids us of you because 0:07:59.290 --> 0:08:02.270 what it did is it required non-citizens to pay a 0:08:02.370 --> 0:08:05.030 lot of money to be able to mine in the 0:08:05.070 --> 0:08:09.130 state of California, which I imagine it wasn't every last 0:08:09.190 --> 0:08:12.300 Mexican prospector, but probably most of them had to hit 0:08:12.330 --> 0:08:15.870 the road. And As we'll see why this is, you know, 0:08:15.900 --> 0:08:21.770 possibly a Zorro influence. Murrieta was one of those guys. 0:08:21.830 --> 0:08:23.230 And he was like, you know, it's kind of a 0:08:23.290 --> 0:08:24.790 Robin Hood type story. He was like, you know what? 0:08:25.510 --> 0:08:28.630 I'm not taking this sitting down or standing up. I'm 0:08:28.650 --> 0:08:31.720 going to start robbing you guys for a little payback. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.400 And the governor saw this and he's like, all right, well, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.819 now you have a price on your head. And, you know, 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.970 depends on whether you believe this is true. But there 0:08:39.990 --> 0:08:42.650 was a California Ranger like this is the real historical record. 0:08:43.530 --> 0:08:47.140 In 1853, a California ranger said, you know what? I've 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.940 got him right here. But part of him only. I've 0:08:50.980 --> 0:08:53.840 got his head, actually. And it's here in this pickle jar. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:54.820 And this is Murrieta. 0:08:55.260 --> 0:08:58.550 Yeah. Everybody's like, that's gross. You carry that around with you? 0:08:58.570 --> 0:08:59.670 He's like, yeah, check it out. 0:09:00.010 --> 0:09:01.210 Yeah. 0:09:01.470 --> 0:09:04.890 And yes, that is the only thing we know that's 0:09:05.290 --> 0:09:08.050 on the historical record. The governor did put a bounty 0:09:08.130 --> 0:09:11.569 on his head and a ranger did. have a head 0:09:11.630 --> 0:09:14.330 in a pickle jar. And he said was Marietta's right. 0:09:14.350 --> 0:09:17.540 That's all we know. Everything else we just said was, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.319 was legend. And the reason, um, his legend continued is 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.390 that in 1854, a novel came out that basically, um, 0:09:26.429 --> 0:09:31.050 turned him into a folk hero. This legend, possibly real person, 0:09:31.090 --> 0:09:34.130 Joaquin Murrieta, became a folk hero because of the novel. 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.360 And then because the novel was written in 1854, as 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.620 time wore on, stuff people knew from the novel became 0:09:42.059 --> 0:09:44.980 embedded into the legend and maybe was taken as true. 0:09:45.620 --> 0:09:50.180 And just the fact that he existed, we know, likely 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.180 influenced Macaulay. in creating Zorro, like for certain that's the 0:09:55.220 --> 0:09:58.310 guy who's most associated with him. I do feel like 0:09:58.350 --> 0:10:02.250 we should talk about Solomon Pico, though, real quick, because 0:10:02.330 --> 0:10:05.390 he was he definitely did live and he was a B.A. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:06.600 All right. 0:10:06.700 --> 0:10:10.400 So Pico was born in the San Juan Valley in 1821, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.319 and he was actually cousin of Pio Pico, who was 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.020 California's last Mexican governor. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:16.579 Right. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:18.900 And he was given a land parcel. And this, you know, 0:10:18.940 --> 0:10:20.840 like we said, this is all true stuff. He was 0:10:20.860 --> 0:10:24.880 given a land parcel in 1844 and lost that land 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.069 when that transition that you were talking about happened from, 0:10:28.330 --> 0:10:33.350 you know, Mexican California to Anglo California. And he did 0:10:33.410 --> 0:10:37.010 like Zorro would later do and like Murrieta did. He's like, 0:10:37.150 --> 0:10:40.090 all right, it's vengeance time. And not only that is 0:10:40.450 --> 0:10:42.450 I'm going to wear your ears around my neck in 0:10:42.490 --> 0:10:42.890 a necklace. 0:10:43.730 --> 0:10:47.980 Yeah, he's known as like probably the most violent outlaw 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:52.000 or bandito who ever lived, who actually who did live. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.620 So he would just basically go around killing Anglo-Americans as 0:10:55.660 --> 0:10:58.430 he came across them. And that actually led to his 0:10:58.490 --> 0:11:02.330 execution because he saw what he thought was a white 0:11:02.370 --> 0:11:04.890 American guy in a restaurant. And he went up to 0:11:04.929 --> 0:11:06.790 him and stabbed him to death. And that guy was like, 0:11:06.970 --> 0:11:12.320 I'm British gov. And that was the end of Pico. 0:11:12.750 --> 0:11:15.300 So those two guys, and by the way, we just 0:11:15.340 --> 0:11:18.540 spoke about Pico in a very crisp and economical manner. Chuck, 0:11:18.580 --> 0:11:20.600 congratulations on that. 0:11:20.820 --> 0:11:24.739 And I think Pico's last words, was he executed for that? Yeah. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.680 I think his last words were, what's the difference? 0:11:28.990 --> 0:11:33.890 Right. So, yeah. So those two guys and then probably 0:11:33.950 --> 0:11:36.550 at least a couple others were At the very least, 0:11:36.610 --> 0:11:41.040 they're legends and stories. Somehow Macaulay heard about these and 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.260 that's what he based Zorro on. I think that's the 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:44.859 upshot of what we're trying to say here. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.580 Yeah. And as we'll see and we'll kind of get 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.100 to why in a minute. Also, the 1905 novel, The 0:11:51.140 --> 0:11:51.980 Scarlet Pimpernel. 0:11:52.260 --> 0:11:52.540 Yeah. 0:11:53.090 --> 0:11:56.010 I've definitely seen that that's pretty much verified by Macaulay himself. 0:11:56.750 --> 0:12:00.790 But he's still alive. No, I don't. I don't think 0:12:00.830 --> 0:12:01.650 Macaulay is still alive. 0:12:01.990 --> 0:12:02.250 OK. 0:12:03.030 --> 0:12:04.310 But he verified it when he was alive. 0:12:04.550 --> 0:12:04.970 I got you. 0:12:05.340 --> 0:12:09.390 His last words were, it was partially the scarlet pimpernel. 0:12:11.170 --> 0:12:14.370 And his widow went, I knew it. I knew it. 0:12:15.450 --> 0:12:18.530 So for his book that he wrote, The Curse of Capistrano, 0:12:18.570 --> 0:12:21.849 you mentioned earlier that he took some sort of license. 0:12:22.110 --> 0:12:24.370 I guess it wasn't really licensed because he was just 0:12:24.390 --> 0:12:27.950 making a story up based on legend. But he said 0:12:27.990 --> 0:12:31.380 it a few decades earlier before It wasn't during that 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.719 transition from Mexican California to Anglo California. It was still 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.280 a Spanish colony at the time that he set the 0:12:37.300 --> 0:12:40.780 first Zorro story. And in this case, he really changed 0:12:40.820 --> 0:12:45.860 it up because Zorro is defending the indigenous population there 0:12:46.300 --> 0:12:49.010 from Spanish authorities, not Anglo Americans. 0:12:50.030 --> 0:12:50.270 Right. 0:12:50.450 --> 0:12:50.610 So. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.360 That makes Zorro even more noble because he's not indigenous. 0:12:56.500 --> 0:13:00.760 He is white. He is directly of Spanish descent with 0:13:00.820 --> 0:13:04.880 no indigenous blood in him. So him defending the rights 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.890 of indigenous people from the Spanish authorities really kind of 0:13:08.950 --> 0:13:13.490 makes him like a hero character even more, you know? 0:13:13.970 --> 0:13:14.270 Yeah. 0:13:14.429 --> 0:13:18.490 And for McCulley's side, he gets to avoid just the 0:13:18.530 --> 0:13:22.350 sort of mess of telling the story of the Anglo 0:13:22.390 --> 0:13:23.510 takeover of California. 0:13:23.890 --> 0:13:26.569 Yeah, because he was writing this stuff for like an 0:13:26.630 --> 0:13:27.950 American audience, right? 0:13:27.970 --> 0:13:28.250 Yeah, exactly. 0:13:28.270 --> 0:13:31.790 So he just kind of, you know, rejiggered a few things, 0:13:31.890 --> 0:13:32.270 I guess. 0:13:33.620 --> 0:13:34.260 Should we take a break? 0:13:35.120 --> 0:14:09.870 Yeah, and then we'll talk about the curse, Capistrano. Capistrano. Chuck, 0:14:10.170 --> 0:14:12.309 we're back. I want to give a hat tip to 0:14:12.610 --> 0:14:14.809 Julia because she did a really great job of getting 0:14:14.890 --> 0:14:21.290 across the action-adventure sense of Zorro in her article that 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:26.090 she sent us. So hat tip to you, Julia. Okay, 0:14:26.110 --> 0:14:28.050 I just wanted to get that done. Let me check 0:14:28.090 --> 0:14:28.730 that off. Great. 0:14:29.150 --> 0:14:32.530 Yeah, we tip our sombrero to you. And if you're thinking, sorry, 0:14:32.550 --> 0:14:35.330 I didn't wear a sombrero, we'll just hold on to 0:14:35.370 --> 0:14:37.740 your sombrero because he actually did it first. 0:14:38.460 --> 0:14:44.060 Yeah, in The Curse of Capistrano. It's set in Southern 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.400 California around Los Angeles around the mission of San Juan Capistrano, 0:14:48.860 --> 0:14:51.860 which is where the name comes from. And again, The 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:57.190 Spanish authorities are pushing the indigenous Mexican population around, taking 0:14:57.230 --> 0:15:02.590 their land, trampling their rights, like just basically being terrible people. 0:15:02.650 --> 0:15:05.630 And they're all doing this because the governor of California 0:15:05.730 --> 0:15:07.310 is instructing them to. Right. 0:15:07.770 --> 0:15:07.930 Yeah. 0:15:08.030 --> 0:15:13.660 So there's the mayor of Los Angeles is his son 0:15:13.900 --> 0:15:17.300 is named Don Diego Vega. His first name is not Don. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.070 Don is honorific that you would honor. call somebody out 0:15:22.110 --> 0:15:25.660 of respect, like sir or lord. So his first name 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:31.240 is Diego, not Don. Yeah, like in The Godfather. Yeah, exactly. 0:15:31.780 --> 0:15:34.520 That's exactly right. I never put those two together. 0:15:34.540 --> 0:15:35.600 Did you really not? 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.280 Zorro and The Godfather are basically the same movie. 0:15:40.420 --> 0:15:41.720 Zorro the gay blade in The Godfather. 0:15:41.740 --> 0:15:45.720 That's right, yeah. So Don Diego Vega, he's the heir 0:15:45.740 --> 0:15:48.740 to the family fortune. I'm not sure how the mayor 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.300 made a fortune, but He is not Zorro. He's the 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.230 antithesis of Zorro, Don Diego Vega is. Mm-hmm. 0:15:56.690 --> 0:15:59.030 In modern parlance, you might call him soft. He lives 0:15:59.090 --> 0:16:01.250 a life of privilege. He's kind of a dandy fop. 0:16:01.690 --> 0:16:02.230 Yeah. 0:16:02.250 --> 0:16:04.490 And his dad is like, oh, gosh, this guy, this 0:16:04.530 --> 0:16:09.170 son is so disappointing to me. The women don't even 0:16:09.210 --> 0:16:12.920 like him. But this is all a ruse, everybody, because 0:16:13.380 --> 0:16:16.220 he is secretly Zorro at night. He's kind of doing 0:16:16.260 --> 0:16:19.020 that thing where, you know, you play the opposite of 0:16:19.060 --> 0:16:21.400 who you are as a masked figure during the daytime 0:16:21.460 --> 0:16:24.150 so no one can, you know— No one would ever 0:16:24.250 --> 0:16:25.870 suspect that you are he. 0:16:27.130 --> 0:16:29.910 Yeah. I mean, if there's this isn't like the Los 0:16:29.990 --> 0:16:32.630 Angeles of today is still fairly small. So I'm sure 0:16:32.670 --> 0:16:35.860 there's a small pool of potential suspects who could have 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.280 been Zorro. So he really had to take some some 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.300 real steps to throw him off of his trail. And 0:16:43.060 --> 0:16:45.980 that's what he did. It worked too well, as we'll see. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.100 That's right. 0:16:47.610 --> 0:16:49.910 So he's Don Diego during the day, and then at 0:16:50.050 --> 0:16:51.910 night he goes down to the cellar. He meets with 0:16:51.970 --> 0:16:57.170 his trusty assistant, Bernardo, and he puts on Chuck. 0:16:58.110 --> 0:16:59.570 He puts on that sombrero, baby. 0:17:00.490 --> 0:17:03.390 He puts on a sombrero. I imagine, I'm not sure 0:17:03.410 --> 0:17:05.609 if this is in there, but the kind of sombrero 0:17:05.650 --> 0:17:10.450 with like the little colored balls that hang around down. Okay. 0:17:11.430 --> 0:17:14.110 That's the kind of sombrero I see when I imagine 0:17:14.150 --> 0:17:14.770 a sombrero. 0:17:15.780 --> 0:17:18.800 Oh, see, I immediately pictured like the Three Amigos style, 0:17:19.660 --> 0:17:21.000 but I like both. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.560 I think that I'm kind of talking about that. 0:17:25.260 --> 0:17:25.480 Okay. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.260 The little colored like fabric balls hanging around the rim 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:31.820 of the brim. 0:17:32.260 --> 0:17:34.399 Hey, I know what you're talking about. Those things have 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.080 got to have a name. I just don't know it. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:37.260 Right. 0:17:37.780 --> 0:17:39.520 If the things that are on the ends of a 0:17:39.580 --> 0:17:41.900 shoelace have a name, those have to have a name 0:17:41.940 --> 0:17:42.340 for sure. 0:17:42.940 --> 0:17:45.600 Yeah, exactly. So he also wears a purple cape in 0:17:45.619 --> 0:17:50.219 this initial iteration. His mask, black mask, completely covers his 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.350 entire face in this iteration. Yeah, weird. He travels by horse, 0:17:54.450 --> 0:17:58.510 something that would carry over. And he's a swordsman, you know. 0:17:58.650 --> 0:18:01.610 He does a little bit of whipping here and there, 0:18:01.650 --> 0:18:05.489 but his real calling card is that sword. And even 0:18:05.510 --> 0:18:07.470 though it's not as big of a deal in the book, 0:18:07.530 --> 0:18:11.730 it is in the book that he cuts that Z into– 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.919 Maybe somebody's butt if they're bent over and you want 0:18:13.940 --> 0:18:17.590 a little comedy. Or maybe into their clothing or something. 0:18:18.490 --> 0:18:21.010 And if you want a little piece of trivia, Zorro's 0:18:21.050 --> 0:18:23.690 horse was Tornado. Tornado. 0:18:23.990 --> 0:18:26.250 That's right. Put that in your pocket, everybody, because that'll 0:18:26.330 --> 0:18:27.659 come in handy at Bar Trivia one day. 0:18:27.670 --> 0:18:31.890 That's right. Someday. Okay, so I said that the daytime 0:18:32.060 --> 0:18:35.420 thing is starting to get problematic, posing as this lazy 0:18:35.540 --> 0:18:39.290 fop Don Diego. The reason why is that he's played 0:18:39.330 --> 0:18:42.129 it too well. His father is like, you're not going 0:18:42.150 --> 0:18:45.570 to inherit the fortune. I can't give this fortune to you. 0:18:45.630 --> 0:18:50.720 You're a giant disappointment. You're a planetismal at best. And 0:18:51.220 --> 0:18:53.659 he says, how about this? If you marry and basically 0:18:53.700 --> 0:18:56.320 get off the couch and go do something and marry somebody, 0:18:57.869 --> 0:19:00.830 you can be my heir again. And so he starts 0:19:00.869 --> 0:19:04.190 looking around and he trains his sights on Senorita Lolita, 0:19:04.510 --> 0:19:06.909 who is quite lovely, but she doesn't think very highly 0:19:06.950 --> 0:19:07.800 of Don Diego. 0:19:08.420 --> 0:19:14.340 No, she doesn't. She, well, he's a very off-putting person 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.780 during the daytime, so she should not be attracted to him. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.450 You know who she likes? She likes a couple of people. One, Zorro, 0:19:20.609 --> 0:19:24.470 which is kind of problematic. And then Captain Ramon Ramon. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:30.240 who is one of the governor's henchmen, basically. So he's 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:31.960 in a bit of a pickle here because he's like 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.510 this lady senorita that I love actually loves the real me, 0:19:35.570 --> 0:19:36.250 who is Zorro. 0:19:36.510 --> 0:19:36.810 Right. 0:19:37.010 --> 0:19:38.889 And this act that I'm doing during the day is 0:19:38.950 --> 0:19:41.510 really turning her off. And now Captain Ramon is moving 0:19:41.570 --> 0:19:41.850 in on her. 0:19:42.390 --> 0:19:45.390 Right. I don't have the impression that she particularly liked 0:19:45.570 --> 0:19:48.650 Captain Ramon, but I'm guessing he seemed like a good 0:19:48.690 --> 0:19:51.260 alternative to Don Diego. at the time, right? Because he 0:19:51.300 --> 0:19:52.480 had his S together. 0:19:52.500 --> 0:19:53.400 I think, yeah. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:58.820 Even worse, there's now a bounty on Zorro's head and 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.940 a bounty hunter's shown up in Los Angeles looking to 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.660 basically capture Zorro. So All of a sudden, Don Diego's 0:20:06.700 --> 0:20:10.160 life has just really gotten complicated. He's starting to rethink 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.390 this social justice warrior thing. And then Bernardo, I think 0:20:14.470 --> 0:20:18.669 his presence really kind of steals and grounds Zorro because 0:20:19.109 --> 0:20:23.470 he is a he's a Native American. He's indigenous. He's 0:20:23.690 --> 0:20:26.830 deaf and mute. And yes, he's a servant, but he's 0:20:26.890 --> 0:20:31.890 also a trusted sidekick who helps Zorro remain Zorro. 0:20:32.900 --> 0:20:35.680 That's right. And in that book, he does all those 0:20:35.740 --> 0:20:39.070 Zorro things. He robs from the rich, gives to the poor, 0:20:39.990 --> 0:20:43.389 returns land to people who had their land taken from them. He, 0:20:43.590 --> 0:20:46.429 of course, whips the butt of that bounty hunter who 0:20:46.470 --> 0:20:48.990 came to get him. He takes care of Captain Ramon 0:20:49.190 --> 0:20:52.150 in short order. And then at the end, the mask 0:20:52.170 --> 0:20:55.070 comes off, baby. Look who it is, everybody. It's really 0:20:55.130 --> 0:20:58.909 Don Diego. And Lolita is like, perfect. This is all 0:20:58.930 --> 0:20:59.490 I ever wanted. 0:20:59.510 --> 0:21:00.109 Right. 0:21:01.090 --> 0:21:04.150 Too good to be true. And that's it. Ta-da! That's 0:21:04.250 --> 0:21:07.410 the Curse of Capistrano. I don't know if we said 0:21:07.430 --> 0:21:12.070 his foes called him the Curse of Capistrano. Yeah. 0:21:12.450 --> 0:21:13.790 I don't think we did, but that makes sense. 0:21:14.190 --> 0:21:18.170 It does. So that was the first Zorro. And again, 0:21:18.210 --> 0:21:21.530 you said that the Scarlet Pimpernel, which came out 14 0:21:21.530 --> 0:21:27.530