WEBVTT - It’s Giving the End of Times | MiniPod 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.040 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:05.800 with Reasoned Choice Media. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.120 Well come, welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.400 So y'all you know we're continuing this conversation that we 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.040 began uh on the original pod and we just y'all know, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:18.479 we keep. 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.640 Talking, we keep uh, we keep it moving, keep it going. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.720 And the topic of conversation was really being about how 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.200 it is what will it take for us to feel 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.200 the impact of what's happening in our country and our communities. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.159 What will it take for us to get up and 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.480 respond and not just respond when it's all the way 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.199 in our house, but respond as a. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.320 Way to prevent the problem coming and hitting us directly. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.680 And Angela, you you were, you were, you were offering 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:53.640 some perspectives, Tiffany, obviously you you as well. Angela. 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.240 The thing I was going to say in response to 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.280 where your comment had left off, when you were giving 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:03.600 examples of sort of the beloved community, the building of 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.399 the beloved community, growing your own food, living amongst each other, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.520 Tiffany refers to it as you know, the building of 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.960 our wakanda. And the truth is is I believe and 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.280 I don't think that this is in disagreement with y'all, 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.000 but I just wanted to call out that some of these. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.400 Ideas will feel luxurious. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.480 To some of the folks who are on the listening 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.480 end of it, Like I can't wait to get to 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.320 the point where I can, you know, invest, buy some 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.720 property in the south and move. I want to get 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.920 out of my rental situation right now and start to 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:36.479 own a home. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.279 Really is my next step. But I'm not in position 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.120 to do that right now. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.400 And the only point I was going to make around 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.800 the various ideas of how we yes keep ourselves safe 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:51.200 and stay safe and build safety for our community is 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.800 that the battle is happening on all sides. It is 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.640 coming down on us left, right, front, back. The stuff 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.600 we haven't even gotten to yet, but we see it 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:08.280 coming down the pipeline, so much so that the dizzying 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.320 feeling that I think many people feel that causes us 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:16.519 to just pull back and check out is exactly the intent. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.600 That's the purpose of the speed at which the enemy 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.240 is moving. It is intended to disorient us. It's intended 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.799 to throw us off our game and to even in 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.440 some way absence us from the problems that we know 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.480 we gotta face right now today on the belief that 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.480 maybe this is a bad nightmare, and tomorrow when we 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.560 wake up, it's going to be different. I only throw 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.639 this out to say I'm in full awareness that my 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.960 fight about fam you may feel very passionate and personal 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.040 to me, even if I feel like that fight is 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.760 impacting all of us, because that's what I've got, that's 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.239 where my energy lies right now. But that's not to 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.079 say that if you're not fighting that fight, that you're 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.959 not fighting. You're fighting, but you're fighting your own different set. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.880 And I don't want anyone to walk away thinking that 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:09.000 we're attempting to judge your level of involvement engagement because 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.560 you're not on my fight. You may not be on mind, 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.359 but I assure you you might be. You're probably on 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.720 your own. And I was feeling in our conversation that 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.720 the approach felt more like judgment, even if that judgment 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.040 comes out of a place of love. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.720 I have a little bit rather than I had a 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.200 little bit of judgment for people who are like well, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.040 that they voted for and who cares, and that ain't 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:33.480 my problem. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.120 Like I do have a little bit of judgment. It 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:36.320 may not be a good thing and. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.600 Should reminded you that that was what you both were 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.440 saying as well as a different points. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.280 It's also just not true. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.040 It's just it's I think I think it was what 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:47.600 you were saying. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.120 I'm irritated because it's not true. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.200 And I am what's not true. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.280 It's not true that that's what they voted for, Like 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.360 I think, I oh at that point, I think that 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:58.200 what we have to. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.080 Come to terms with is that we are all going 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:05.720 to reap the collective consequences, whether we voted for it 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.760 or not, or whether we voted at all or not. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.120 And I think that is the frustration, that is the 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.080 point of irritation for. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.400 Me, and on you always telling us that you can't 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.560 disqualify person's feelings. These are my. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:23.760 Feeling these are my feelings. I'm telling you my feelings 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:24.120 right now. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.760 I'm irritated by it, and I'm also saying I really 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.080 do feel concerned for all of us. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:31.720 I do. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.479 I think that my biggest feeling right now is fear 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.520 for all of us, because I'm seeing a lot of people, 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:45.159 some who, because of their consistent like no reprieve from suffering, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.360 don't see this moment as any different so that's concerning. 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.040 Am I fear for the people who are checked out 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.720 because they some of them are remarkably talented and resourced 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.320 and strategic, and we can utilize. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:01.480 Them right now. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:03.160 And I feel. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.400 Afraid for like our elders and the youngers who are 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.760 kind of helpless and not like they can't think or 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.680 anything like that, but they they're relying on the strong 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.840 ones to kind of pull through. So I think I'm 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.720 I'm feeling the convergence of all those emotions. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.680 Your own safety, which we'll talk about next week. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:30.320 Yeah, but I still feel like even above my own safety, 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.919 like to me, La Monica is more in direct harms 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.360 way than I am by far, you know. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:38.560 So I just I'm just like that. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.800 I mean, there's she's been charged by the Department. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.719 Of Justice, right, but I just I don't know if 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:44.960 that's true. I don't want to get into because I 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.360 don't want to say anything I'm not supposed to say. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.760 I'm telling you for a fact that's true based on 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:49.240 what I. 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.880 Don't I don't know, that's all I'm saying. Well, I'm 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.320 telling unless you know I'm worried about y'all equally, Okay, Well, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.560 if you know about a warrant for my arrest, then 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.120 tell me on air, but I don't know one, And 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.920 I say, but I'm based based on what I know 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.600 from legal and everything else. I am not in harm's 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:11.920 way like that, So I just am saying it's it's 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:17.719 a it's disheartening because where we are is we've created created. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.640 I won't I don't even want to say we some 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.480 of us, some of our folks, have created an unnecessary, 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.640 hierarchical us versus them. And I think some of it 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:33.160 is our own blindness and our own ignorance over time, 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.640 and how we've approached our folks, like the most important 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.040 thing they could do is vote, when you trying to 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.000 pay feed your kids is not a good strategy. So 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.799 I just think and it's and it's it doesn't. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.080 It's not feel with compassion either, So I just I 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.279 really hope that we can pivot in this moment. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:56.840 And I think, you know, it's interesting the outlook about that. Well, 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.200 I'll ask you about your situation. We'll talk more about 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.960 that next week, because I feel like we're having an 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.080 inside conversation and I viewers don't know what's going on. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:06.920 But we'll talk more about that next week, So be 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.680 sure you guys tune in next week. And while we're 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.640 at it, please be sure you're liking and subscribing and 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.680 listening to this content and telling friends about it. But 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.080 I think you know a part one. I want to say, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.680 see you, Andrew. I hear you in the sense that 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.200 people like, oh, maybe I can invest it by a 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.680 house in the South, but that's luxurious. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.280 I got to tell you. I've been touring neighborhoods all 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:28.360 across the South. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:29.800 The past January. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.320 I haven't been back to Florida, but there are actually, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.000 and I don't want to say where, there are actually 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.480 black towns that exist like this, where they are growing 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:40.280 their own food. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.920 I've seen I don't sync with my eyes and talk 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.400 to them with my ears or talking to them my 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:47.680 ears talked to them. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.560 That's good, talking on the. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.840 Ears, exactly. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:55.000 Right. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:56.680 I was going to say, it's a message in that. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.080 But those towns exist, and I remember saying, like, gosh, 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.200 I want to profile you guys. I want to talk 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:05.920 about this now. I want to talk about the things 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.120 y'all do. Y'all got black owned grocery stores that like 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.280 the whole town, and they've been saying no you shouldn't like, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.880 why do they want to be on the radar like that? 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.360 And so it's angel I think we talked about this 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.800 early on, about moving in silence. You know, you don't 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.160 have to tell everybody your plan, yes, and so I'm 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.280 not getting too detailed in my plan, but I've been 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.800 doing serious research, writing and looking into what it would 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.280 look like. And Charles Blow wrote a great book about 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.160 it about reshaping political power, which is, to be honest, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:35.680 is not where my. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.719 Mind is right now. My mind is on safety. I 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.080 don't know exactly. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.559 Right now, that's right. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.760 In my first book, I wrote about the fact that 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.400 people look at black folks as commodities, you know, like 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.480 we're just voters, and even they are saying like if 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:53.920 you don't vote, you don't count. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.760 You know, the double is a line like I count 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.680 because I'm a human being. I count. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.360 If I don't contribute anything to this world, I count. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.520 And so it's hard for me to fingerwag at people 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.400 who feel frozen in this. But I share your frustration 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.000 and irritation, Angela, because one, I've just never been able 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.439 to check out. But even being so checked in like that, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.160 being pummeled with information every day, and what's happening every day, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.400 It's like what the fuck? Like, I don't even know 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.679 what to do, And so the only thing I could 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.000 think to do is like, I'm gonna go out and 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.160 look for safety. Where can we build? Where can we create? 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:30.040 What does that look like? 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.440 So I don't know, y'all. Can I tell you? Who 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.319 were asking? I don't? The answer is, I don't know. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:36.360 Can I tell you this? 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:36.840 Andrew? 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.040 I want and I want to hear from you. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.080 It's just I want to just point out the fact 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.960 that us talking about creating safety and insulation for black 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.920 folks is not new. Black folks have been doing this 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.400 since the beginning of time. And even when we did 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.960 that that was threatening to white folks, they tore it down, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.719 they burned it down, they put highways through it. We've 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.679 been talking about that on the tour or killed it, 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.840 been saying that every single week. She is we rebuked 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.199 that spear of death. But yes, I'm telling you, like, 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.640 this is not new. And we have so many communities. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.280 We were in one in Durham, Black Wall Street in Durham, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.839 we were in where were we just the other day 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.280 in Richmond where that was another Maggielina Walker look her up. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.000 Like black folks were starting banks and when we were thriving, 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.240 they ran a highway through the thing. So we've always 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.679 been doing this, but we have to figure out a 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.840 way when we do it this time that it doesn't 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:40.440 get destroyed by a white accusation. Right, gentrification, transportation infrastructure 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:46.080 that doesn't serve us, imminent domain, adverse possession airs, property. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:46.840 Law, like all of the things. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.120 Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying like we have to be 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.439 mindful of the fact, like we're not talking about doing 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:53.599 nothing new and innovative. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.839 Oh oh, my friend, that's not a lesson for me. 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.280 I was saying it for you. I was just saying, like, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.040 for every. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:08.320 Want to communicate a thing. I visit those hamlets and venues. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.160 Very often with family, both in Alabama and in Georgia 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.319 and even in parts of Florida. Rosewood, don't forget that 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:23.199 was also Florida. So I don't just qualify that. I 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.800 think that is exactly where we ought to be thinking 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.520 and planning. But I also think we've got to be 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:34.480 thinking and planning everywhere right now. If your fight is 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.400 how we build the beloved community, and mine is how 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.720 do we make sure we keep institutions of higher learning 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.840 open since they have been the largest singularly the largest 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.920 shifter and wealth amongst Black people over the arc of 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.600 history of our people. It's how we've moved into middle 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.840 classes and beyond, and by our example is how our 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.120 cousins and them have moved right behind us in those 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:02.240 same directions. So everything feel urgent and if there and 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.319 I don't think we're out of solutions of what we 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.560 can tell people specifically what you can do. You may 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.640 not like what that specific thing may be, but there 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.559 are a lot of specific things that you can do. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.320 I mentioned protests. Maybe that wasn't sexy enough, but guess 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:21.240 what it is getting results? Lawsuits? Again, maybe not sexy, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:26.480 but it's yielding lawsuits. When you think about the number 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.679 of executive orders that Trump has has signed himself, and 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:31.679 how many of them he can probably count on one 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.839 hand how many haven't been struck down or not in 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.959 some legal limbo right now, right he can count on 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.320 one hand, probably how many are not every other one 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.800 of them is caught up in these in the in 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.840 the coils of the wheels. So so it isn't true 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.959 that we're not winning. In fact, when we have pushed 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.000 back in regardless of the venue we have one or 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.160 are in are in the process of winning and are 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:03.320 on the winning count right now. Your silence certainly doesn't help. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.719 But you standing on the corner repeatedly or calling you 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.800 a member and letting them know that you expect more 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.000 of them and you expect them to be your representative 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.200 and not the presidents. You do that repeatedly, and then 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.199 your neighbors do the same thing is having impacts. So 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:19.800 it may not be the sexiest thing, and it may 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:21.520 not be the thing you want to do. Everybody's not 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.559 going to be the Internet sensation. Everybody not going to 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.760 become the celebrity activists. That ain't your ministry right now. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.120 But everybody has something they can do. Should they choose 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.280 to do it, should life lend itself to them being 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.760 able to do it, that's it. I don't have a complaint. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.600 I wouldn't even prioritize which is most urgent and most important, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.920 because that's not for me to decide for anybody. You 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.920 know what issues you are facing are that are most 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.040 urgent and important? 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.840 Who am I? But we all have urgent and important 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:51.839 going on right now. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:05.959 I think Angela's frustration, which I may share is do something, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.920 you know, like this idea like I'm resting. One is 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.480 the idea of I'm resting, and two it's the idea 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.360 of fuck everybody else because they didn't vote how they 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:16.800 should have. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.480 Well, I want to I want to welcome both you 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.800 and Angela to Andrew's philosophy since before and then after 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.280 the election. And all I'm simply saying is that we 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.680 have to make room for welcoming others onto that ship 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.160 because a lot of people were there. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.120 But there's also which I'll talk about this at some 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.520 point this summer, but there's about what I'm writing about. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.480 But there's a lot of heartbreak that happened that election. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:41.920 You know. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.400 It's just why I'm not in judgment, right, No, I 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.600 know you and I don't think any of us are 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:47.560 incomplete judgment. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:48.560 I got a little judgment. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.560 I'm just hoping to call you up. I call you out. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.080 And I was. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.360 So it wasn't like one or two, it was one 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.640 after the next, like f them, that's the voting for 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.160 who cares? I know the well you know, and you 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.920 say any of them were bot farms, it was too many. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.040 It was tiff Tip Wing check the page and see 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:09.320 if they. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:14.640 Chill on no public siment through TIFFs. So she's my vent. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.880 People Sometimes on Instagram you can tell their bots and 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.560 you can go to their page and sy but the YouTube, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.480 these are consistent listeners because and I know that, because 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.920 they will say, Tiffany, You're getting all my nerves with 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:27.840 your doom and gloom. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:30.160 So I'm like, oh, you're. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.440 Judgingly a long time, right completely, And these these people 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.120 been listening a long time. And to be honest, I'm 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.880 still not out of my doom and gloom. I mean, 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.920 a part of men is like we're about to go 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.520 through some ship like this is we are back to 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.480 like reconstruction days. This is back to Jim Crow days. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.480 And I'm worried about bracing myself. I'm worried about my 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.880 immediate family. I'm worried about my friends, like all of 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.480 those things. And so for me, I do not do 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.640 well when it's and I'm running around and flapping my 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.280 arms in the circle. That is not how I approach. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.800 I just can't function that way. Like, if it's chaos 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.000 around me, I'm gonna remove myself from it. I'm gonna 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.720 sit in quiet. Then I gotta think through ship myself. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:17.040 Other people can act in haste. I always scold it 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.400 again for saying this person's name. I'm gonna say it again. Albert, 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.720 Like Albert is one of those people like if things 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.520 happen on the hill, but he's juggling, he can quiet 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.480 the noise in real time and act and hate. I 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.560 think angela maybe is something a skill you learn in 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:35.520 law school. Survival maybe, But it just seems like a 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.640 lot of people who are jaded have that skill, you know, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.680 where it's like, give me the bullet points and then 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:40.720 I'm gonna figure something out. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.960 In some cases, they if it were quiet and calm, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.680 they might create the tornado. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.640 And be like and be like, now, what's going on here? 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.760 Somebody the tornado. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.760 I can't take it. If it's a tornado, I'm going 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:56.280 the other ways. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.840 Even I think their personal I do think that's a person. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.120 I think their personality. Some people thrive well. And by 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.000 the way, thank god, because some of us I just said, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.280 shut completely down. It's like the world has got to happen. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:09.000 Let's go. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.280 About I give away if I think about with MSNBC, 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.320 you know, or Andrews like stuff with the campaign, like 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:18.600 what I'm not gonna do. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.840 If I'm watching y'all stand there, I'm like, come on, hell, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.040 like I'm gonna turn you. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.000 That is because I'm worried. That's such a good example 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.960 after MSNBC. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.800 Space that we can't feel for ourselves, can't. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.719 You're in the middle of the forest. All you can 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.200 see is the branches in front of you. 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.040 You can't figure that hell of a tornado. I just 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.199 I was frozen, you know, I was literally frozen. Angela 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.200 was like, Okay, let's go. We're gonna talk to this 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.240 person issuing a statement. We're doing this, this, and this. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.280 Like if it were up to me, I would have 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.159 just laid on my couch probably for a week, you know, 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.119 like I can't even it was too much incoming. My 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.200 world had been devastated, My finances have been devastated. So 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.000 that is a great example of I don't thrive in chaos, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.560 even when it's my own chaos. If I can't, I 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.080 need people who thrive in chaos at that moment. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.840 But here's the only thing I'm gonna tell y'all because 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.760 I think and I think this is true for both 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.800 of y'all too. Like I have actually seen y'all see 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.360 somebody else's chaos and you bust the damn move. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:16.280 So that's not true. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:19.359 That's true. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.800 But I was gonna say, like with Tiff, I can 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.879 understand why Tiff is very regimented and structured. Andrew is 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.399 in that unless he's losing his phone, but he's like 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.880 that in most ways. He's right, he's ambidextrious, he's right. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.639 But Tif, the thing that is remarkable about you is 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.000 I think in chaos you'll still be like, Okay, now 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.439 here's the structure. I can understand in this instant instance, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.560 because it is chaos on every side, Like everything that 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.560 we could lean up against for safety is now in upheaval. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.320 I can understand why you're like, well, the structure that 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.280 I will put in place is even disoriented and disorienting 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.840 for me. So I can't build where there's no foundation. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:01.480 So I didn't understand how that. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.440 Yeah, we're that. But I would say this, I would 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.600 challenge you in your research, in your writing, when you're 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.920 going to the South for safety, to make sure that 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.600 you look at and I'm sure you probably already are 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.840 the things that we built historically, why did they crumble? 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.440 Right? And that's one of the things that's helping me 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.639 right now with the tour stuff, and then going to 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.880 our Baltimore National convenient what worked about Gary? Y'all watch 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.479 the Nation Time documentary at home if you haven't already, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.280 And what didn't Why did they give up or did 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.000 they give up after this that last meeting we met, 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:44.320 We met the youngest delegate in Gary Larry Ham in Newark, Right, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.000 what are the things that we can do to learn? 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.919 That is why we cannot discard our elders, because they 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.560 hold the keys and the blind spots that we would 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.119 have if we don't take the time to listen to 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.440