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Speaker 2: Well come, welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3: So y'all you know we're continuing this conversation that we
Speaker 3: began uh on the original pod and we just y'all know,
Speaker 3: we keep.
Speaker 1: Talking, we keep uh, we keep it moving, keep it going.
Speaker 3: And the topic of conversation was really being about how
Speaker 3: it is what will it take for us to feel
Speaker 3: the impact of what's happening in our country and our communities.
Speaker 3: What will it take for us to get up and
Speaker 3: respond and not just respond when it's all the way
Speaker 3: in our house, but respond as a.
Speaker 1: Way to prevent the problem coming and hitting us directly.
Speaker 1: And Angela, you you were, you were, you were offering
Speaker 1: some perspectives, Tiffany, obviously you you as well. Angela.
Speaker 3: The thing I was going to say in response to
Speaker 3: where your comment had left off, when you were giving
Speaker 3: examples of sort of the beloved community, the building of
Speaker 3: the beloved community, growing your own food, living amongst each other,
Speaker 3: Tiffany refers to it as you know, the building of
Speaker 3: our wakanda. And the truth is is I believe and
Speaker 3: I don't think that this is in disagreement with y'all,
Speaker 3: but I just wanted to call out that some of these.
Speaker 1: Ideas will feel luxurious.
Speaker 3: To some of the folks who are on the listening
Speaker 3: end of it, Like I can't wait to get to
Speaker 3: the point where I can, you know, invest, buy some
Speaker 3: property in the south and move. I want to get
Speaker 3: out of my rental situation right now and start to
Speaker 3: own a home.
Speaker 1: Really is my next step. But I'm not in position
Speaker 1: to do that right now.
Speaker 3: And the only point I was going to make around
Speaker 3: the various ideas of how we yes keep ourselves safe
Speaker 3: and stay safe and build safety for our community is
Speaker 3: that the battle is happening on all sides. It is
Speaker 3: coming down on us left, right, front, back. The stuff
Speaker 3: we haven't even gotten to yet, but we see it
Speaker 3: coming down the pipeline, so much so that the dizzying
Speaker 3: feeling that I think many people feel that causes us
Speaker 3: to just pull back and check out is exactly the intent.
Speaker 3: That's the purpose of the speed at which the enemy
Speaker 3: is moving. It is intended to disorient us. It's intended
Speaker 3: to throw us off our game and to even in
Speaker 3: some way absence us from the problems that we know
Speaker 3: we gotta face right now today on the belief that
Speaker 3: maybe this is a bad nightmare, and tomorrow when we
Speaker 3: wake up, it's going to be different. I only throw
Speaker 3: this out to say I'm in full awareness that my
Speaker 3: fight about fam you may feel very passionate and personal
Speaker 3: to me, even if I feel like that fight is
Speaker 3: impacting all of us, because that's what I've got, that's
Speaker 3: where my energy lies right now. But that's not to
Speaker 3: say that if you're not fighting that fight, that you're
Speaker 3: not fighting. You're fighting, but you're fighting your own different set.
Speaker 3: And I don't want anyone to walk away thinking that
Speaker 3: we're attempting to judge your level of involvement engagement because
Speaker 3: you're not on my fight. You may not be on mind,
Speaker 3: but I assure you you might be. You're probably on
Speaker 3: your own. And I was feeling in our conversation that
Speaker 3: the approach felt more like judgment, even if that judgment
Speaker 3: comes out of a place of love.
Speaker 4: I have a little bit rather than I had a
Speaker 4: little bit of judgment for people who are like well,
Speaker 4: that they voted for and who cares, and that ain't
Speaker 4: my problem.
Speaker 5: Like I do have a little bit of judgment. It
Speaker 5: may not be a good thing and.
Speaker 3: Should reminded you that that was what you both were
Speaker 3: saying as well as a different points.
Speaker 5: It's also just not true.
Speaker 1: It's just it's I think I think it was what
Speaker 1: you were saying.
Speaker 2: I'm irritated because it's not true.
Speaker 1: And I am what's not true.
Speaker 2: It's not true that that's what they voted for, Like
Speaker 2: I think, I oh at that point, I think that
Speaker 2: what we have to.
Speaker 6: Come to terms with is that we are all going
Speaker 6: to reap the collective consequences, whether we voted for it
Speaker 6: or not, or whether we voted at all or not.
Speaker 6: And I think that is the frustration, that is the
Speaker 6: point of irritation for.
Speaker 1: Me, and on you always telling us that you can't
Speaker 1: disqualify person's feelings. These are my.
Speaker 2: Feeling these are my feelings. I'm telling you my feelings
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 6: I'm irritated by it, and I'm also saying I really
Speaker 6: do feel concerned for all of us.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 6: I think that my biggest feeling right now is fear
Speaker 6: for all of us, because I'm seeing a lot of people,
Speaker 6: some who, because of their consistent like no reprieve from suffering,
Speaker 6: don't see this moment as any different so that's concerning.
Speaker 6: Am I fear for the people who are checked out
Speaker 6: because they some of them are remarkably talented and resourced
Speaker 6: and strategic, and we can utilize.
Speaker 2: Them right now.
Speaker 5: And I feel.
Speaker 6: Afraid for like our elders and the youngers who are
Speaker 6: kind of helpless and not like they can't think or
Speaker 6: anything like that, but they they're relying on the strong
Speaker 6: ones to kind of pull through. So I think I'm
Speaker 6: I'm feeling the convergence of all those emotions.
Speaker 5: Your own safety, which we'll talk about next week.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I still feel like even above my own safety,
Speaker 6: like to me, La Monica is more in direct harms
Speaker 6: way than I am by far, you know.
Speaker 5: So I just I'm just like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's she's been charged by the Department.
Speaker 4: Of Justice, right, but I just I don't know if
Speaker 4: that's true. I don't want to get into because I
Speaker 4: don't want to say anything I'm not supposed to say.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you for a fact that's true based on
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 4: Don't I don't know, that's all I'm saying. Well, I'm
Speaker 4: telling unless you know I'm worried about y'all equally, Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: if you know about a warrant for my arrest, then
Speaker 4: tell me on air, but I don't know one, And
Speaker 4: I say, but I'm based based on what I know
Speaker 4: from legal and everything else. I am not in harm's
Speaker 4: way like that, So I just am saying it's it's
Speaker 4: a it's disheartening because where we are is we've created created.
Speaker 4: I won't I don't even want to say we some
Speaker 4: of us, some of our folks, have created an unnecessary,
Speaker 4: hierarchical us versus them. And I think some of it
Speaker 4: is our own blindness and our own ignorance over time,
Speaker 4: and how we've approached our folks, like the most important
Speaker 4: thing they could do is vote, when you trying to
Speaker 4: pay feed your kids is not a good strategy. So
Speaker 4: I just think and it's and it's it doesn't.
Speaker 6: It's not feel with compassion either, So I just I
Speaker 6: really hope that we can pivot in this moment.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, it's interesting the outlook about that. Well,
Speaker 4: I'll ask you about your situation. We'll talk more about
Speaker 4: that next week, because I feel like we're having an
Speaker 4: inside conversation and I viewers don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4: But we'll talk more about that next week, So be
Speaker 4: sure you guys tune in next week. And while we're
Speaker 4: at it, please be sure you're liking and subscribing and
Speaker 4: listening to this content and telling friends about it. But
Speaker 4: I think you know a part one. I want to say,
Speaker 4: see you, Andrew. I hear you in the sense that
Speaker 4: people like, oh, maybe I can invest it by a
Speaker 4: house in the South, but that's luxurious.
Speaker 5: I got to tell you. I've been touring neighborhoods all
Speaker 5: across the South.
Speaker 1: The past January.
Speaker 4: I haven't been back to Florida, but there are actually,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to say where, there are actually
Speaker 4: black towns that exist like this, where they are growing
Speaker 4: their own food.
Speaker 5: I've seen I don't sync with my eyes and talk
Speaker 5: to them with my ears or talking to them my
Speaker 5: ears talked to them.
Speaker 2: That's good, talking on the.
Speaker 5: Ears, exactly.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, it's a message in that.
Speaker 4: But those towns exist, and I remember saying, like, gosh,
Speaker 4: I want to profile you guys. I want to talk
Speaker 4: about this now. I want to talk about the things
Speaker 4: y'all do. Y'all got black owned grocery stores that like
Speaker 4: the whole town, and they've been saying no you shouldn't like,
Speaker 4: why do they want to be on the radar like that?
Speaker 4: And so it's angel I think we talked about this
Speaker 4: early on, about moving in silence. You know, you don't
Speaker 4: have to tell everybody your plan, yes, and so I'm
Speaker 4: not getting too detailed in my plan, but I've been
Speaker 4: doing serious research, writing and looking into what it would
Speaker 4: look like. And Charles Blow wrote a great book about
Speaker 4: it about reshaping political power, which is, to be honest,
Speaker 4: is not where my.
Speaker 5: Mind is right now. My mind is on safety. I
Speaker 5: don't know exactly.
Speaker 2: Right now, that's right.
Speaker 4: In my first book, I wrote about the fact that
Speaker 4: people look at black folks as commodities, you know, like
Speaker 4: we're just voters, and even they are saying like if
Speaker 4: you don't vote, you don't count.
Speaker 5: You know, the double is a line like I count
Speaker 5: because I'm a human being. I count.
Speaker 4: If I don't contribute anything to this world, I count.
Speaker 4: And so it's hard for me to fingerwag at people
Speaker 4: who feel frozen in this. But I share your frustration
Speaker 4: and irritation, Angela, because one, I've just never been able
Speaker 4: to check out. But even being so checked in like that,
Speaker 4: being pummeled with information every day, and what's happening every day,
Speaker 4: It's like what the fuck? Like, I don't even know
Speaker 4: what to do, And so the only thing I could
Speaker 4: think to do is like, I'm gonna go out and
Speaker 4: look for safety. Where can we build? Where can we create?
Speaker 4: What does that look like?
Speaker 5: So I don't know, y'all. Can I tell you? Who
Speaker 5: were asking? I don't? The answer is, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you this?
Speaker 2: Andrew?
Speaker 5: I want and I want to hear from you.
Speaker 6: It's just I want to just point out the fact
Speaker 6: that us talking about creating safety and insulation for black
Speaker 6: folks is not new. Black folks have been doing this
Speaker 6: since the beginning of time. And even when we did
Speaker 6: that that was threatening to white folks, they tore it down,
Speaker 6: they burned it down, they put highways through it. We've
Speaker 6: been talking about that on the tour or killed it,
Speaker 6: been saying that every single week. She is we rebuked
Speaker 6: that spear of death. But yes, I'm telling you, like,
Speaker 6: this is not new. And we have so many communities.
Speaker 6: We were in one in Durham, Black Wall Street in Durham,
Speaker 6: we were in where were we just the other day
Speaker 6: in Richmond where that was another Maggielina Walker look her up.
Speaker 6: Like black folks were starting banks and when we were thriving,
Speaker 6: they ran a highway through the thing. So we've always
Speaker 6: been doing this, but we have to figure out a
Speaker 6: way when we do it this time that it doesn't
Speaker 6: get destroyed by a white accusation. Right, gentrification, transportation infrastructure
Speaker 6: that doesn't serve us, imminent domain, adverse possession airs, property.
Speaker 2: Law, like all of the things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying like we have to be
Speaker 6: mindful of the fact, like we're not talking about doing
Speaker 6: nothing new and innovative.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, my friend, that's not a lesson for me.
Speaker 2: I was saying it for you. I was just saying, like,
Speaker 2: for every.
Speaker 1: Want to communicate a thing. I visit those hamlets and venues.
Speaker 3: Very often with family, both in Alabama and in Georgia
Speaker 3: and even in parts of Florida. Rosewood, don't forget that
Speaker 3: was also Florida. So I don't just qualify that. I
Speaker 3: think that is exactly where we ought to be thinking
Speaker 3: and planning. But I also think we've got to be
Speaker 3: thinking and planning everywhere right now. If your fight is
Speaker 3: how we build the beloved community, and mine is how
Speaker 3: do we make sure we keep institutions of higher learning
Speaker 3: open since they have been the largest singularly the largest
Speaker 3: shifter and wealth amongst Black people over the arc of
Speaker 3: history of our people. It's how we've moved into middle
Speaker 3: classes and beyond, and by our example is how our
Speaker 3: cousins and them have moved right behind us in those
Speaker 3: same directions. So everything feel urgent and if there and
Speaker 3: I don't think we're out of solutions of what we
Speaker 3: can tell people specifically what you can do. You may
Speaker 3: not like what that specific thing may be, but there
Speaker 3: are a lot of specific things that you can do.
Speaker 3: I mentioned protests. Maybe that wasn't sexy enough, but guess
Speaker 3: what it is getting results? Lawsuits? Again, maybe not sexy,
Speaker 3: but it's yielding lawsuits. When you think about the number
Speaker 3: of executive orders that Trump has has signed himself, and
Speaker 3: how many of them he can probably count on one
Speaker 3: hand how many haven't been struck down or not in
Speaker 3: some legal limbo right now, right he can count on
Speaker 3: one hand, probably how many are not every other one
Speaker 3: of them is caught up in these in the in
Speaker 3: the coils of the wheels. So so it isn't true
Speaker 3: that we're not winning. In fact, when we have pushed
Speaker 3: back in regardless of the venue we have one or
Speaker 3: are in are in the process of winning and are
Speaker 3: on the winning count right now. Your silence certainly doesn't help.
Speaker 3: But you standing on the corner repeatedly or calling you
Speaker 3: a member and letting them know that you expect more
Speaker 3: of them and you expect them to be your representative
Speaker 3: and not the presidents. You do that repeatedly, and then
Speaker 3: your neighbors do the same thing is having impacts. So
Speaker 3: it may not be the sexiest thing, and it may
Speaker 3: not be the thing you want to do. Everybody's not
Speaker 3: going to be the Internet sensation. Everybody not going to
Speaker 3: become the celebrity activists. That ain't your ministry right now.
Speaker 3: But everybody has something they can do. Should they choose
Speaker 3: to do it, should life lend itself to them being
Speaker 3: able to do it, that's it. I don't have a complaint.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even prioritize which is most urgent and most important,
Speaker 3: because that's not for me to decide for anybody. You
Speaker 3: know what issues you are facing are that are most
Speaker 3: urgent and important?
Speaker 1: Who am I? But we all have urgent and important
Speaker 1: going on right now.
Speaker 4: I think Angela's frustration, which I may share is do something,
Speaker 4: you know, like this idea like I'm resting. One is
Speaker 4: the idea of I'm resting, and two it's the idea
Speaker 4: of fuck everybody else because they didn't vote how they
Speaker 4: should have.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to I want to welcome both you
Speaker 3: and Angela to Andrew's philosophy since before and then after
Speaker 3: the election. And all I'm simply saying is that we
Speaker 3: have to make room for welcoming others onto that ship
Speaker 3: because a lot of people were there.
Speaker 4: But there's also which I'll talk about this at some
Speaker 4: point this summer, but there's about what I'm writing about.
Speaker 5: But there's a lot of heartbreak that happened that election.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just why I'm not in judgment, right, No, I
Speaker 4: know you and I don't think any of us are
Speaker 4: incomplete judgment.
Speaker 5: I got a little judgment.
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping to call you up. I call you out.
Speaker 1: And I was.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like one or two, it was one
Speaker 4: after the next, like f them, that's the voting for
Speaker 4: who cares? I know the well you know, and you
Speaker 4: say any of them were bot farms, it was too many.
Speaker 2: It was tiff Tip Wing check the page and see
Speaker 2: if they.
Speaker 1: Chill on no public siment through TIFFs. So she's my vent.
Speaker 4: People Sometimes on Instagram you can tell their bots and
Speaker 4: you can go to their page and sy but the YouTube,
Speaker 4: these are consistent listeners because and I know that, because
Speaker 4: they will say, Tiffany, You're getting all my nerves with
Speaker 4: your doom and gloom.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, oh, you're.
Speaker 4: Judgingly a long time, right completely, And these these people
Speaker 4: been listening a long time. And to be honest, I'm
Speaker 4: still not out of my doom and gloom. I mean,
Speaker 4: a part of men is like we're about to go
Speaker 4: through some ship like this is we are back to
Speaker 4: like reconstruction days. This is back to Jim Crow days.
Speaker 4: And I'm worried about bracing myself. I'm worried about my
Speaker 4: immediate family. I'm worried about my friends, like all of
Speaker 4: those things. And so for me, I do not do
Speaker 4: well when it's and I'm running around and flapping my
Speaker 4: arms in the circle. That is not how I approach.
Speaker 4: I just can't function that way. Like, if it's chaos
Speaker 4: around me, I'm gonna remove myself from it. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: sit in quiet. Then I gotta think through ship myself.
Speaker 4: Other people can act in haste. I always scold it
Speaker 4: again for saying this person's name. I'm gonna say it again. Albert,
Speaker 4: Like Albert is one of those people like if things
Speaker 4: happen on the hill, but he's juggling, he can quiet
Speaker 4: the noise in real time and act and hate. I
Speaker 4: think angela maybe is something a skill you learn in
Speaker 4: law school. Survival maybe, But it just seems like a
Speaker 4: lot of people who are jaded have that skill, you know,
Speaker 4: where it's like, give me the bullet points and then
Speaker 4: I'm gonna figure something out.
Speaker 1: In some cases, they if it were quiet and calm,
Speaker 1: they might create the tornado.
Speaker 2: And be like and be like, now, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Somebody the tornado.
Speaker 5: I can't take it. If it's a tornado, I'm going
Speaker 5: the other ways.
Speaker 1: Even I think their personal I do think that's a person.
Speaker 1: I think their personality. Some people thrive well. And by
Speaker 1: the way, thank god, because some of us I just said,
Speaker 1: shut completely down. It's like the world has got to happen.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 6: About I give away if I think about with MSNBC,
Speaker 6: you know, or Andrews like stuff with the campaign, like
Speaker 6: what I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 2: If I'm watching y'all stand there, I'm like, come on, hell,
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna turn you.
Speaker 5: That is because I'm worried. That's such a good example
Speaker 5: after MSNBC.
Speaker 1: Space that we can't feel for ourselves, can't.
Speaker 2: You're in the middle of the forest. All you can
Speaker 2: see is the branches in front of you.
Speaker 4: You can't figure that hell of a tornado. I just
Speaker 4: I was frozen, you know, I was literally frozen. Angela
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, let's go. We're gonna talk to this
Speaker 4: person issuing a statement. We're doing this, this, and this.
Speaker 4: Like if it were up to me, I would have
Speaker 4: just laid on my couch probably for a week, you know,
Speaker 4: like I can't even it was too much incoming. My
Speaker 4: world had been devastated, My finances have been devastated. So
Speaker 4: that is a great example of I don't thrive in chaos,
Speaker 4: even when it's my own chaos. If I can't, I
Speaker 4: need people who thrive in chaos at that moment.
Speaker 6: But here's the only thing I'm gonna tell y'all because
Speaker 6: I think and I think this is true for both
Speaker 6: of y'all too. Like I have actually seen y'all see
Speaker 6: somebody else's chaos and you bust the damn move.
Speaker 1: So that's not true.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 6: But I was gonna say, like with Tiff, I can
Speaker 6: understand why Tiff is very regimented and structured. Andrew is
Speaker 6: in that unless he's losing his phone, but he's like
Speaker 6: that in most ways. He's right, he's ambidextrious, he's right.
Speaker 6: But Tif, the thing that is remarkable about you is
Speaker 6: I think in chaos you'll still be like, Okay, now
Speaker 6: here's the structure. I can understand in this instant instance,
Speaker 6: because it is chaos on every side, Like everything that
Speaker 6: we could lean up against for safety is now in upheaval.
Speaker 6: I can understand why you're like, well, the structure that
Speaker 6: I will put in place is even disoriented and disorienting
Speaker 6: for me. So I can't build where there's no foundation.
Speaker 6: So I didn't understand how that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're that. But I would say this, I would
Speaker 2: challenge you in your research, in your writing, when you're
Speaker 2: going to the South for safety, to make sure that
Speaker 2: you look at and I'm sure you probably already are
Speaker 2: the things that we built historically, why did they crumble?
Speaker 6: Right? And that's one of the things that's helping me
Speaker 6: right now with the tour stuff, and then going to
Speaker 6: our Baltimore National convenient what worked about Gary? Y'all watch
Speaker 6: the Nation Time documentary at home if you haven't already,
Speaker 6: And what didn't Why did they give up or did
Speaker 6: they give up after this that last meeting we met,
Speaker 6: We met the youngest delegate in Gary Larry Ham in Newark, Right,
Speaker 6: what are the things that we can do to learn?
Speaker 6: That is why we cannot discard our elders, because they
Speaker 6: hold the keys and the blind spots that we would
Speaker 6: have if we don't take the time to listen to
Speaker 6: what happened these young people, the bravery they have, the
Speaker 6: gust of like let's just go, We're just gonna go
Speaker 6: figure it out. Yes, y'all start running, but let me
Speaker 6: also go back over here and check with this elder
Speaker 6: about what might have went wrong and what we could
Speaker 6: avoid going forward. So I would say, even while we're
Speaker 6: building and talking about the migration and talking about farming
Speaker 6: and talking about cooperative economics, we still got to figure
Speaker 6: out where the loopholes and the challenges that have been
Speaker 6: in the past. I suspect one of the big ones
Speaker 6: is the people who were economically strong in those different
Speaker 6: eras thought that they were invincible, and we're starting to
Speaker 6: see some of that for the folks who felt like
Speaker 6: they were invincible politically. The folks who thought they were
Speaker 6: invincible invisible economically, and they're getting hit too. So now
Speaker 6: they want the poor folks who've been experiencing the struggle
Speaker 6: to carry the weight of what they're now experiencing too.
Speaker 6: And these meds like we've been told y'all mother, like,
Speaker 6: where y'all being? Yeah, you know, so we got to
Speaker 6: figure out the balance. I think that some of that
Speaker 6: may just be an apology for the blind spot. And
Speaker 6: now we do have to build together because we ain't
Speaker 6: got no choice. That is the position we're in. And
Speaker 6: you could choose to sit at home and not do anything,
Speaker 6: and you could choose to keep building with your rich friends,
Speaker 6: or you could choose to keep building just with the hood.
Speaker 6: But I will submit to you that is not sufficient
Speaker 6: in the air we're in because we're all on equal footing.
Speaker 6: If there was ever a democracy where we're all on
Speaker 6: the same footingever, it is right now, real.
Speaker 4: Quick, because we gotta go nigga our producer niggas like
Speaker 4: we gotta got in the bay. But what Angels said
Speaker 4: is so good because the Cole Post is something like this.
Speaker 4: But it's like, it's only so much we gonna learn
Speaker 4: from social media. Now is the time for reading and
Speaker 4: when you say what went wrong when we're trying to
Speaker 4: figure out it was next one, if you read about
Speaker 4: what happened, then you can anticipate what's about to You
Speaker 4: can anticipate what's happening and what's about to happen, and
Speaker 4: two learning those infrastructures and what went wrong. And I
Speaker 4: have to just give a really quick shout out to
Speaker 4: our friendship circle on this podcast and beyond, because in
Speaker 4: some of this reading, Cleveland Seller's name comes up a lot,
Speaker 4: and I think about our brother Bakari, Michael Harriet's family
Speaker 4: who's distantly related to Jim Clyburn and his family worked
Speaker 4: with the Seller's family. And Van Newkirk, who is an
Speaker 4: amazing writer at The Atlantic, whose dad is an AHBC president,
Speaker 4: who Angela knows and works with, and the fact that
Speaker 4: our elders produce these children, and we are all friends
Speaker 4: now and Bakari is on the front. He doesn't talk
Speaker 4: about it a lot, but Bakari is on the front
Speaker 4: lines with so many fights. So I love that brother
Speaker 4: for the work that he's doing. Michael Harriet is still
Speaker 4: like he's another like thinker and researcher. Like it's time
Speaker 4: for the thinkers, the doers, the writers, the ideas people
Speaker 4: like all of that is happening, and I feel so
Speaker 4: blessed to be in community because that right now is
Speaker 4: the only thing I can't I don't want to fix
Speaker 4: this government right now. I can't trust of government right now.
Speaker 4: The only thing I can trust is us, and so
Speaker 4: to be enveloped by us, I just love y'all and
Speaker 4: thank y'all for that, and it encourage you to read.
Speaker 5: That's my CTA read.
Speaker 6: I think that's a good time to say welcome home,
Speaker 6: y'all because this will always be a safe space and
Speaker 6: we were gonna keep building. We're gonna figure it out
Speaker 6: because you know, what we don't have is any other choice.
Speaker 5: How about that? Welcome home now.
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