1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: with Reasoned Choice Media. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: Well come, welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: So y'all you know we're continuing this conversation that we 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 3: began uh on the original pod and we just y'all know, 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 3: we keep. 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: Talking, we keep uh, we keep it moving, keep it going. 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: And the topic of conversation was really being about how 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: it is what will it take for us to feel 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 3: the impact of what's happening in our country and our communities. 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: What will it take for us to get up and 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 3: respond and not just respond when it's all the way 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: in our house, but respond as a. 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: Way to prevent the problem coming and hitting us directly. 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: And Angela, you you were, you were, you were offering 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: some perspectives, Tiffany, obviously you you as well. Angela. 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: The thing I was going to say in response to 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: where your comment had left off, when you were giving 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: examples of sort of the beloved community, the building of 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 3: the beloved community, growing your own food, living amongst each other, 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: Tiffany refers to it as you know, the building of 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: our wakanda. And the truth is is I believe and 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: I don't think that this is in disagreement with y'all, 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: but I just wanted to call out that some of these. 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: Ideas will feel luxurious. 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: To some of the folks who are on the listening 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: end of it, Like I can't wait to get to 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: the point where I can, you know, invest, buy some 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: property in the south and move. I want to get 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: out of my rental situation right now and start to 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 3: own a home. 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,279 Speaker 1: Really is my next step. But I'm not in position 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: to do that right now. 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: And the only point I was going to make around 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: the various ideas of how we yes keep ourselves safe 36 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: and stay safe and build safety for our community is 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: that the battle is happening on all sides. It is 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: coming down on us left, right, front, back. The stuff 39 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: we haven't even gotten to yet, but we see it 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: coming down the pipeline, so much so that the dizzying 41 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: feeling that I think many people feel that causes us 42 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 3: to just pull back and check out is exactly the intent. 43 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: That's the purpose of the speed at which the enemy 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: is moving. It is intended to disorient us. It's intended 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: to throw us off our game and to even in 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: some way absence us from the problems that we know 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: we gotta face right now today on the belief that 48 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: maybe this is a bad nightmare, and tomorrow when we 49 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: wake up, it's going to be different. I only throw 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: this out to say I'm in full awareness that my 51 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: fight about fam you may feel very passionate and personal 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: to me, even if I feel like that fight is 53 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: impacting all of us, because that's what I've got, that's 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 3: where my energy lies right now. But that's not to 55 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 3: say that if you're not fighting that fight, that you're 56 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: not fighting. You're fighting, but you're fighting your own different set. 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: And I don't want anyone to walk away thinking that 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: we're attempting to judge your level of involvement engagement because 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: you're not on my fight. You may not be on mind, 60 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: but I assure you you might be. You're probably on 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: your own. And I was feeling in our conversation that 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: the approach felt more like judgment, even if that judgment 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: comes out of a place of love. 64 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: I have a little bit rather than I had a 65 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: little bit of judgment for people who are like well, 66 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: that they voted for and who cares, and that ain't 67 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 4: my problem. 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 5: Like I do have a little bit of judgment. It 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 5: may not be a good thing and. 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: Should reminded you that that was what you both were 71 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: saying as well as a different points. 72 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 5: It's also just not true. 73 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: It's just it's I think I think it was what 74 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: you were saying. 75 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: I'm irritated because it's not true. 76 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: And I am what's not true. 77 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: It's not true that that's what they voted for, Like 78 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: I think, I oh at that point, I think that 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: what we have to. 80 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 6: Come to terms with is that we are all going 81 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 6: to reap the collective consequences, whether we voted for it 82 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 6: or not, or whether we voted at all or not. 83 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 6: And I think that is the frustration, that is the 84 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 6: point of irritation for. 85 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: Me, and on you always telling us that you can't 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: disqualify person's feelings. These are my. 87 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: Feeling these are my feelings. I'm telling you my feelings 88 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: right now. 89 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 6: I'm irritated by it, and I'm also saying I really 90 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 6: do feel concerned for all of us. 91 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 4: I do. 92 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 6: I think that my biggest feeling right now is fear 93 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 6: for all of us, because I'm seeing a lot of people, 94 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 6: some who, because of their consistent like no reprieve from suffering, 95 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 6: don't see this moment as any different so that's concerning. 96 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 6: Am I fear for the people who are checked out 97 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 6: because they some of them are remarkably talented and resourced 98 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 6: and strategic, and we can utilize. 99 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: Them right now. 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 5: And I feel. 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 6: Afraid for like our elders and the youngers who are 102 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 6: kind of helpless and not like they can't think or 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 6: anything like that, but they they're relying on the strong 104 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 6: ones to kind of pull through. So I think I'm 105 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 6: I'm feeling the convergence of all those emotions. 106 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 5: Your own safety, which we'll talk about next week. 107 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I still feel like even above my own safety, 108 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 6: like to me, La Monica is more in direct harms 109 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 6: way than I am by far, you know. 110 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 5: So I just I'm just like that. 111 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: I mean, there's she's been charged by the Department. 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 4: Of Justice, right, but I just I don't know if 113 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: that's true. I don't want to get into because I 114 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 4: don't want to say anything I'm not supposed to say. 115 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: I'm telling you for a fact that's true based on 116 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: what I. 117 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: Don't I don't know, that's all I'm saying. Well, I'm 118 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: telling unless you know I'm worried about y'all equally, Okay, Well, 119 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 4: if you know about a warrant for my arrest, then 120 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: tell me on air, but I don't know one, And 121 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: I say, but I'm based based on what I know 122 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 4: from legal and everything else. I am not in harm's 123 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 4: way like that, So I just am saying it's it's 124 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 4: a it's disheartening because where we are is we've created created. 125 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: I won't I don't even want to say we some 126 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 4: of us, some of our folks, have created an unnecessary, 127 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: hierarchical us versus them. And I think some of it 128 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 4: is our own blindness and our own ignorance over time, 129 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: and how we've approached our folks, like the most important 130 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 4: thing they could do is vote, when you trying to 131 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 4: pay feed your kids is not a good strategy. So 132 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 4: I just think and it's and it's it doesn't. 133 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 6: It's not feel with compassion either, So I just I 134 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 6: really hope that we can pivot in this moment. 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 4: And I think, you know, it's interesting the outlook about that. Well, 136 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: I'll ask you about your situation. We'll talk more about 137 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 4: that next week, because I feel like we're having an 138 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 4: inside conversation and I viewers don't know what's going on. 139 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: But we'll talk more about that next week, So be 140 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: sure you guys tune in next week. And while we're 141 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: at it, please be sure you're liking and subscribing and 142 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 4: listening to this content and telling friends about it. But 143 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 4: I think you know a part one. I want to say, 144 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: see you, Andrew. I hear you in the sense that 145 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: people like, oh, maybe I can invest it by a 146 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: house in the South, but that's luxurious. 147 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 5: I got to tell you. I've been touring neighborhoods all 148 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: across the South. 149 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: The past January. 150 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: I haven't been back to Florida, but there are actually, 151 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: and I don't want to say where, there are actually 152 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: black towns that exist like this, where they are growing 153 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: their own food. 154 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: I've seen I don't sync with my eyes and talk 155 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 5: to them with my ears or talking to them my 156 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 5: ears talked to them. 157 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: That's good, talking on the. 158 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 5: Ears, exactly. 159 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 6: Right. 160 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: I was going to say, it's a message in that. 161 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: But those towns exist, and I remember saying, like, gosh, 162 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: I want to profile you guys. I want to talk 163 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: about this now. I want to talk about the things 164 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: y'all do. Y'all got black owned grocery stores that like 165 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: the whole town, and they've been saying no you shouldn't like, 166 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: why do they want to be on the radar like that? 167 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 4: And so it's angel I think we talked about this 168 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: early on, about moving in silence. You know, you don't 169 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 4: have to tell everybody your plan, yes, and so I'm 170 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: not getting too detailed in my plan, but I've been 171 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: doing serious research, writing and looking into what it would 172 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: look like. And Charles Blow wrote a great book about 173 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 4: it about reshaping political power, which is, to be honest, 174 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 4: is not where my. 175 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 5: Mind is right now. My mind is on safety. I 176 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 5: don't know exactly. 177 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: Right now, that's right. 178 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: In my first book, I wrote about the fact that 179 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: people look at black folks as commodities, you know, like 180 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: we're just voters, and even they are saying like if 181 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: you don't vote, you don't count. 182 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 5: You know, the double is a line like I count 183 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 5: because I'm a human being. I count. 184 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: If I don't contribute anything to this world, I count. 185 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: And so it's hard for me to fingerwag at people 186 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: who feel frozen in this. But I share your frustration 187 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: and irritation, Angela, because one, I've just never been able 188 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 4: to check out. But even being so checked in like that, 189 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: being pummeled with information every day, and what's happening every day, 190 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 4: It's like what the fuck? Like, I don't even know 191 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 4: what to do, And so the only thing I could 192 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 4: think to do is like, I'm gonna go out and 193 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: look for safety. Where can we build? Where can we create? 194 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 4: What does that look like? 195 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 5: So I don't know, y'all. Can I tell you? Who 196 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 5: were asking? I don't? The answer is, I don't know. 197 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: Can I tell you this? 198 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: Andrew? 199 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 5: I want and I want to hear from you. 200 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 6: It's just I want to just point out the fact 201 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 6: that us talking about creating safety and insulation for black 202 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 6: folks is not new. Black folks have been doing this 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 6: since the beginning of time. And even when we did 204 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 6: that that was threatening to white folks, they tore it down, 205 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 6: they burned it down, they put highways through it. We've 206 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 6: been talking about that on the tour or killed it, 207 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 6: been saying that every single week. She is we rebuked 208 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 6: that spear of death. But yes, I'm telling you, like, 209 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 6: this is not new. And we have so many communities. 210 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 6: We were in one in Durham, Black Wall Street in Durham, 211 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 6: we were in where were we just the other day 212 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 6: in Richmond where that was another Maggielina Walker look her up. 213 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 6: Like black folks were starting banks and when we were thriving, 214 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 6: they ran a highway through the thing. So we've always 215 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 6: been doing this, but we have to figure out a 216 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 6: way when we do it this time that it doesn't 217 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 6: get destroyed by a white accusation. Right, gentrification, transportation infrastructure 218 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 6: that doesn't serve us, imminent domain, adverse possession airs, property. 219 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: Law, like all of the things. 220 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying like we have to be 221 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 6: mindful of the fact, like we're not talking about doing 222 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 6: nothing new and innovative. 223 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: Oh oh, my friend, that's not a lesson for me. 224 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: I was saying it for you. I was just saying, like, 225 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: for every. 226 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: Want to communicate a thing. I visit those hamlets and venues. 227 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: Very often with family, both in Alabama and in Georgia 228 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 3: and even in parts of Florida. Rosewood, don't forget that 229 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 3: was also Florida. So I don't just qualify that. I 230 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: think that is exactly where we ought to be thinking 231 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: and planning. But I also think we've got to be 232 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: thinking and planning everywhere right now. If your fight is 233 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: how we build the beloved community, and mine is how 234 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: do we make sure we keep institutions of higher learning 235 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: open since they have been the largest singularly the largest 236 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: shifter and wealth amongst Black people over the arc of 237 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: history of our people. It's how we've moved into middle 238 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: classes and beyond, and by our example is how our 239 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: cousins and them have moved right behind us in those 240 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: same directions. So everything feel urgent and if there and 241 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 3: I don't think we're out of solutions of what we 242 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: can tell people specifically what you can do. You may 243 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: not like what that specific thing may be, but there 244 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: are a lot of specific things that you can do. 245 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: I mentioned protests. Maybe that wasn't sexy enough, but guess 246 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: what it is getting results? Lawsuits? Again, maybe not sexy, 247 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: but it's yielding lawsuits. When you think about the number 248 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: of executive orders that Trump has has signed himself, and 249 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 3: how many of them he can probably count on one 250 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 3: hand how many haven't been struck down or not in 251 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 3: some legal limbo right now, right he can count on 252 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: one hand, probably how many are not every other one 253 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: of them is caught up in these in the in 254 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: the coils of the wheels. So so it isn't true 255 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: that we're not winning. In fact, when we have pushed 256 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: back in regardless of the venue we have one or 257 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: are in are in the process of winning and are 258 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: on the winning count right now. Your silence certainly doesn't help. 259 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 3: But you standing on the corner repeatedly or calling you 260 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: a member and letting them know that you expect more 261 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: of them and you expect them to be your representative 262 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: and not the presidents. You do that repeatedly, and then 263 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 3: your neighbors do the same thing is having impacts. So 264 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: it may not be the sexiest thing, and it may 265 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: not be the thing you want to do. Everybody's not 266 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: going to be the Internet sensation. Everybody not going to 267 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: become the celebrity activists. That ain't your ministry right now. 268 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: But everybody has something they can do. Should they choose 269 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: to do it, should life lend itself to them being 270 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: able to do it, that's it. I don't have a complaint. 271 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: I wouldn't even prioritize which is most urgent and most important, 272 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: because that's not for me to decide for anybody. You 273 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: know what issues you are facing are that are most 274 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: urgent and important? 275 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: Who am I? But we all have urgent and important 276 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: going on right now. 277 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 4: I think Angela's frustration, which I may share is do something, 278 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: you know, like this idea like I'm resting. One is 279 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 4: the idea of I'm resting, and two it's the idea 280 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 4: of fuck everybody else because they didn't vote how they 281 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: should have. 282 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: Well, I want to I want to welcome both you 283 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: and Angela to Andrew's philosophy since before and then after 284 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: the election. And all I'm simply saying is that we 285 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: have to make room for welcoming others onto that ship 286 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: because a lot of people were there. 287 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: But there's also which I'll talk about this at some 288 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 4: point this summer, but there's about what I'm writing about. 289 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 5: But there's a lot of heartbreak that happened that election. 290 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: You know. 291 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: It's just why I'm not in judgment, right, No, I 292 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: know you and I don't think any of us are 293 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 4: incomplete judgment. 294 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 5: I got a little judgment. 295 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm just hoping to call you up. I call you out. 296 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: And I was. 297 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: So it wasn't like one or two, it was one 298 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: after the next, like f them, that's the voting for 299 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 4: who cares? I know the well you know, and you 300 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: say any of them were bot farms, it was too many. 301 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: It was tiff Tip Wing check the page and see 302 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: if they. 303 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: Chill on no public siment through TIFFs. So she's my vent. 304 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 4: People Sometimes on Instagram you can tell their bots and 305 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 4: you can go to their page and sy but the YouTube, 306 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 4: these are consistent listeners because and I know that, because 307 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 4: they will say, Tiffany, You're getting all my nerves with 308 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 4: your doom and gloom. 309 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 5: So I'm like, oh, you're. 310 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 4: Judgingly a long time, right completely, And these these people 311 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 4: been listening a long time. And to be honest, I'm 312 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: still not out of my doom and gloom. I mean, 313 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: a part of men is like we're about to go 314 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: through some ship like this is we are back to 315 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: like reconstruction days. This is back to Jim Crow days. 316 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: And I'm worried about bracing myself. I'm worried about my 317 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: immediate family. I'm worried about my friends, like all of 318 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 4: those things. And so for me, I do not do 319 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: well when it's and I'm running around and flapping my 320 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 4: arms in the circle. That is not how I approach. 321 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 4: I just can't function that way. Like, if it's chaos 322 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: around me, I'm gonna remove myself from it. I'm gonna 323 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: sit in quiet. Then I gotta think through ship myself. 324 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: Other people can act in haste. I always scold it 325 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: again for saying this person's name. I'm gonna say it again. Albert, 326 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: Like Albert is one of those people like if things 327 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: happen on the hill, but he's juggling, he can quiet 328 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: the noise in real time and act and hate. I 329 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 4: think angela maybe is something a skill you learn in 330 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: law school. Survival maybe, But it just seems like a 331 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: lot of people who are jaded have that skill, you know, 332 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: where it's like, give me the bullet points and then 333 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: I'm gonna figure something out. 334 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: In some cases, they if it were quiet and calm, 335 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: they might create the tornado. 336 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: And be like and be like, now, what's going on here? 337 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: Somebody the tornado. 338 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 5: I can't take it. If it's a tornado, I'm going 339 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 5: the other ways. 340 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Even I think their personal I do think that's a person. 341 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: I think their personality. Some people thrive well. And by 342 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: the way, thank god, because some of us I just said, 343 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: shut completely down. It's like the world has got to happen. 344 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: Let's go. 345 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 6: About I give away if I think about with MSNBC, 346 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 6: you know, or Andrews like stuff with the campaign, like 347 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 6: what I'm not gonna do. 348 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: If I'm watching y'all stand there, I'm like, come on, hell, 349 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: like I'm gonna turn you. 350 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 5: That is because I'm worried. That's such a good example 351 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 5: after MSNBC. 352 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Space that we can't feel for ourselves, can't. 353 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 2: You're in the middle of the forest. All you can 354 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: see is the branches in front of you. 355 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: You can't figure that hell of a tornado. I just 356 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 4: I was frozen, you know, I was literally frozen. Angela 357 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 4: was like, Okay, let's go. We're gonna talk to this 358 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 4: person issuing a statement. We're doing this, this, and this. 359 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: Like if it were up to me, I would have 360 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 4: just laid on my couch probably for a week, you know, 361 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 4: like I can't even it was too much incoming. My 362 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 4: world had been devastated, My finances have been devastated. So 363 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: that is a great example of I don't thrive in chaos, 364 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 4: even when it's my own chaos. If I can't, I 365 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: need people who thrive in chaos at that moment. 366 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 6: But here's the only thing I'm gonna tell y'all because 367 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 6: I think and I think this is true for both 368 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 6: of y'all too. Like I have actually seen y'all see 369 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 6: somebody else's chaos and you bust the damn move. 370 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: So that's not true. 371 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: That's true. 372 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 6: But I was gonna say, like with Tiff, I can 373 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 6: understand why Tiff is very regimented and structured. Andrew is 374 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 6: in that unless he's losing his phone, but he's like 375 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 6: that in most ways. He's right, he's ambidextrious, he's right. 376 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 6: But Tif, the thing that is remarkable about you is 377 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 6: I think in chaos you'll still be like, Okay, now 378 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 6: here's the structure. I can understand in this instant instance, 379 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 6: because it is chaos on every side, Like everything that 380 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 6: we could lean up against for safety is now in upheaval. 381 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 6: I can understand why you're like, well, the structure that 382 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 6: I will put in place is even disoriented and disorienting 383 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 6: for me. So I can't build where there's no foundation. 384 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 6: So I didn't understand how that. 385 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're that. But I would say this, I would 386 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: challenge you in your research, in your writing, when you're 387 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: going to the South for safety, to make sure that 388 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: you look at and I'm sure you probably already are 389 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: the things that we built historically, why did they crumble? 390 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 6: Right? And that's one of the things that's helping me 391 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 6: right now with the tour stuff, and then going to 392 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 6: our Baltimore National convenient what worked about Gary? Y'all watch 393 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 6: the Nation Time documentary at home if you haven't already, 394 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 6: And what didn't Why did they give up or did 395 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 6: they give up after this that last meeting we met, 396 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 6: We met the youngest delegate in Gary Larry Ham in Newark, Right, 397 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 6: what are the things that we can do to learn? 398 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 6: That is why we cannot discard our elders, because they 399 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 6: hold the keys and the blind spots that we would 400 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 6: have if we don't take the time to listen to 401 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 6: what happened these young people, the bravery they have, the 402 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 6: gust of like let's just go, We're just gonna go 403 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 6: figure it out. Yes, y'all start running, but let me 404 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 6: also go back over here and check with this elder 405 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 6: about what might have went wrong and what we could 406 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 6: avoid going forward. So I would say, even while we're 407 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 6: building and talking about the migration and talking about farming 408 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 6: and talking about cooperative economics, we still got to figure 409 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 6: out where the loopholes and the challenges that have been 410 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 6: in the past. I suspect one of the big ones 411 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 6: is the people who were economically strong in those different 412 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 6: eras thought that they were invincible, and we're starting to 413 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 6: see some of that for the folks who felt like 414 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 6: they were invincible politically. The folks who thought they were 415 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 6: invincible invisible economically, and they're getting hit too. So now 416 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 6: they want the poor folks who've been experiencing the struggle 417 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 6: to carry the weight of what they're now experiencing too. 418 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 6: And these meds like we've been told y'all mother, like, 419 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 6: where y'all being? Yeah, you know, so we got to 420 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 6: figure out the balance. I think that some of that 421 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 6: may just be an apology for the blind spot. And 422 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 6: now we do have to build together because we ain't 423 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 6: got no choice. That is the position we're in. And 424 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 6: you could choose to sit at home and not do anything, 425 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 6: and you could choose to keep building with your rich friends, 426 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 6: or you could choose to keep building just with the hood. 427 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 6: But I will submit to you that is not sufficient 428 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 6: in the air we're in because we're all on equal footing. 429 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 6: If there was ever a democracy where we're all on 430 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 6: the same footingever, it is right now, real. 431 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: Quick, because we gotta go nigga our producer niggas like 432 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: we gotta got in the bay. But what Angels said 433 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 4: is so good because the Cole Post is something like this. 434 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 4: But it's like, it's only so much we gonna learn 435 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: from social media. Now is the time for reading and 436 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 4: when you say what went wrong when we're trying to 437 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 4: figure out it was next one, if you read about 438 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 4: what happened, then you can anticipate what's about to You 439 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: can anticipate what's happening and what's about to happen, and 440 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 4: two learning those infrastructures and what went wrong. And I 441 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 4: have to just give a really quick shout out to 442 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 4: our friendship circle on this podcast and beyond, because in 443 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 4: some of this reading, Cleveland Seller's name comes up a lot, 444 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 4: and I think about our brother Bakari, Michael Harriet's family 445 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 4: who's distantly related to Jim Clyburn and his family worked 446 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 4: with the Seller's family. And Van Newkirk, who is an 447 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: amazing writer at The Atlantic, whose dad is an AHBC president, 448 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: who Angela knows and works with, and the fact that 449 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 4: our elders produce these children, and we are all friends 450 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: now and Bakari is on the front. He doesn't talk 451 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: about it a lot, but Bakari is on the front 452 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 4: lines with so many fights. So I love that brother 453 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: for the work that he's doing. Michael Harriet is still 454 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: like he's another like thinker and researcher. Like it's time 455 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 4: for the thinkers, the doers, the writers, the ideas people 456 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 4: like all of that is happening, and I feel so 457 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 4: blessed to be in community because that right now is 458 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: the only thing I can't I don't want to fix 459 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 4: this government right now. I can't trust of government right now. 460 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: The only thing I can trust is us, and so 461 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 4: to be enveloped by us, I just love y'all and 462 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: thank y'all for that, and it encourage you to read. 463 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 5: That's my CTA read. 464 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 6: I think that's a good time to say welcome home, 465 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 6: y'all because this will always be a safe space and 466 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 6: we were gonna keep building. We're gonna figure it out 467 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 6: because you know, what we don't have is any other choice. 468 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 5: How about that? 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