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Speaker 1: It's Sunday, February first, twenty twenty six. Welcome to Real

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Speaker 1: America's Voice News. This is Sunday. They rode forward. Last Friday,

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of Americans marched through the streets of Washington,

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Speaker 1: d c. For the fifty third annual March for Life,

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Speaker 1: under the theme of Life is a Gift. Pro life

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Speaker 1: advocates brave the winter cold to stand for the unborn,

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Speaker 1: just as they have every January since nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 1: Three and a half years after Dobbs. The battle for

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Speaker 1: life has shifted to the States, but the marchers keep coming,

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Speaker 1: and they keep showing up year after year because abortion

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Speaker 1: is not ended in this country, and that perseverance matters

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Speaker 1: now more than ever, because we're not just facing another year,

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Speaker 1: We're facing a pivotal moment in America. The twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six mid term elections are nine months away. In control

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Speaker 1: of Congress hangs in the balance, immigration, pol economic security,

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Speaker 1: national security. All of these issues will be on the ballot. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court docket is loaded with cases that will

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Speaker 1: shape religious freedom, freedom of speech, and the marriage and

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Speaker 1: family for decades. The stakes couldn't be higher as Christians,

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Speaker 1: we must be faithful and realize that life is not

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Speaker 1: a short sprint, but it's a long haul. In the

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Speaker 1: direction of faithfulness, we must be faithful over the entirety

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Speaker 1: of our lives, no matter the season. It's what Eugene

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Speaker 1: Peterson calls long obedience in the same direction. Our scripture

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Speaker 1: reading today comes from Galatians Chapter six, verse nine, and

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Speaker 1: let us not grow weary of doing good, for in

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Speaker 1: due season we will reap if we do not give up.

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Speaker 1: As always, we want to be an encouragement to our

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Speaker 1: viewers to hold fast to the unchanging word of God

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Speaker 1: and to persevere in faithfulness. I'm Ryan Helfenbiinden filling in

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Speaker 1: for Tim Clinton. I'll be your host today.

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Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 2: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Matt Staver. He's a constitutional lawyer

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Speaker 1: and a former dean of Liberty University School of Law.

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Speaker 1: He's also the founder and chairman of Liberty Council, an

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Speaker 1: organization dedicated to nonprofit litigation, education, and policy organization to

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Speaker 1: advance religious liberty, the sanctity of human life, and the

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Speaker 1: marriage and family. Thank you so much Matt for joining

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Speaker 1: Sunday the road forward is great to see you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Ryan. Always good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Of course you are doing so much work across the country,

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Speaker 1: and when it comes to the sanctity of life, I

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Speaker 1: cannot help but speak about the fact that the March

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Speaker 1: for Life happened. It was the fifty third annual march.

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Speaker 1: I actually took about one thousand Liberty students up to Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C twenty buses and certainly it's very historic when

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Speaker 1: you can do something like that. We're so thankful for Dobbs.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of losses, key losses that we've

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Speaker 1: experienced in the past couple of years. You are certainly

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Speaker 1: carrying on that battle when it comes to the courts.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about what we can learn

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for taking the Liberty students. They were certainly

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Speaker 3: visible because they were clearly identified and pro life. And

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Speaker 3: in fact, the majority of the people that are there

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Speaker 3: are in their twenty somethings, the young generation that is exciting,

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Speaker 3: that's pro life and they're carrying the torch. But yes,

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Speaker 3: post Dobs twenty twenty two, it's an amazing situation where

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Speaker 3: the Dobbs decision overturned Row versus Weight and planned parent

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Speaker 3: versus case, a great decision. We all rejoiced in that decision.

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court actually cited Liberty Council's brief in that

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Speaker 3: historic decision. But then since Dobbs, the issue has gone

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Speaker 3: from the Supreme Court, from the federal level to the states,

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Speaker 3: and that's where the battle has been mixed. We've won

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Speaker 3: a lot of battles on the state level, but unfortunately

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Speaker 3: there's also some state constitutional amendments that have gone the

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Speaker 3: wrong way, and there's even one right there in Virginia

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Speaker 3: that's on the ballot, and many other states that are

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Speaker 3: doing the same thing. So we have to really be vigilant, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: because the battle has intensified. Hasn't gotten less since Dobbs.

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Speaker 3: It's gotten more intense because instead of fighting it at

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Speaker 1: You know, for those who think, hey, you know, we

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we're all abolitionists. We all want to

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Speaker 3: don't think anybody in the pro life movement does. The

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Speaker 3: question is how do you get there? Do you build

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Speaker 3: And so I think you have to go one brick

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Speaker 3: out of time. That's how Dobbs was ultimately the case

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Speaker 3: that overturned Row versus Way, one brick out of time,

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Speaker 3: one piece of legislation at a time. Some were struck down,

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Speaker 3: some were upheld. The foundation of Row was weakened, and

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Speaker 3: to do. And we're all in this with the same objective.

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Speaker 3: It's just how do we get there. I think if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could not agree more. Tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about though, turning our attention just some of the

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Speaker 1: cases that you're working on at Liberty Council. Looking forward

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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty six, some of these things are coming

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: One big case is Zenski versus Liberty University. I'm going

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Speaker 3: Appeals on March the seventeenth. It's a huge case. It's

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Speaker 3: about an individual who really tried to set Liberty up.

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Speaker 3: Began taking female hormones four months before applying, then applied

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Speaker 3: to Liberty in the IT department that interacts with students, faculty,

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Speaker 3: and staff signed off on the doctrinal statement, which Liberty's

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Speaker 3: doctrinal statement is really an example for every university, every

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Speaker 3: Christian employer, for profit and for profit to fillow. It's

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Speaker 3: very clear. It says God created us in his image

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Speaker 3: male and female, and that anyone who identifies as a

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Speaker 3: a sin. Very clear. He signed off on that, then

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Speaker 3: then he says, you know what, I'm quote transitioning. I

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Speaker 3: quote unquote woman. Of course, that violates Liberty's doctrine. That

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Speaker 3: and Liberty University. Let mister Zinsky go. He then, with

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Speaker 3: the help of the ACO, you filed a lawsuit. Now

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Speaker 3: other universities of a wide variety of faiths supporting our

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Speaker 3: filed a brief to oppose us. Why because they fear

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Speaker 3: that if our religious freedom are wins, they're not going

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Speaker 3: their LGBTQ agenda and propaganda. And certainly that's true. So

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Speaker 3: this case is really pivotal because the intersection between religious

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Speaker 3: the iceberg, and this is the critical battle that we're

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Speaker 1: You know, it is fascinating you think, you know that

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Speaker 1: religious liberty would be called into question based on the

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Speaker 1: This is something that is relatively new, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was in the Biden administration. It was Anthony Blincoln

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Speaker 1: Department of State to no longer promote religious liberty when

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Speaker 1: it comes to human rights worldwide, but instead to focus

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Speaker 1: on SOGI. And it seems like that still is kind

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Speaker 1: sogi versus religious liberty, they want to see you soji prevail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the sexual orientation issues, that in fact is a

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Speaker 3: zero sum game. What I mean by that is there

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Speaker 3: is no compromise. It's not because people of faith don't

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Speaker 3: to deplatform you, and in some cases, you know, they

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Speaker 3: even want to take your life. So this is a

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Speaker 3: very significant issue. And the reason is is because it

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Speaker 3: goes to the heart of what Liberty University's doctrinal statement is.

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Speaker 3: God created us in his image, male and female. And

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Speaker 3: when you take that and you say, well, we can

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Speaker 1: I want to turn now just to talking a little

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Speaker 1: What is it about the re emergence? I thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, it actually began again around two thousand Liberty Council

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Speaker 3: wanted to post the Ten Commandments, and in fact, that

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Speaker 3: how absurd it was because they used the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 3: whether standalone or in a context of other documents. So

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Speaker 3: Fifty one years is gone. Now it's a new day,

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Speaker 3: Well, the research that we did, which was fascinating back

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Speaker 1: It is a great thing, And I couldn't agree with

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Speaker 4: Awesome, Thanks Ryan, Thanks for all you do at the

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Speaker 5: Great great group.

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Speaker 1: Well, my pleasure. I wanted to talk a little bit

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in hindsight, that's what it looks like.

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Speaker 5: You got peace.

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Speaker 4: I want peace, You want peace, The Bible wants peace,

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Speaker 4: Minnesota and at ten billion dollar range. And then we

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Speaker 4: still can't get an audit on the Ukraine War. That's

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Speaker 4: three hundred over three hundred billion dollars that went somewhere.

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Speaker 4: That's American taxpayer money. We don't know where it went.

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, the great asset of President Trump

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Speaker 4: is he he is the most transparent, doesn't matter what

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Speaker 4: people say about him. He's in front of the press

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Speaker 4: every day taking questions from forty people simultaneously on any

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Speaker 4: issue they want to discuss, and he just it's it's

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Speaker 4: pretty pretty amazing. And so, but the whole world does

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Speaker 4: need to work together right now, you know, it's some

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Speaker 4: of the trees. They act like China doesn't exist, right,

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Speaker 4: so they they want to react to bilateral lingo and

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Speaker 4: et cetera.

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Speaker 5: But then they go home and they go, oh, you know.

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Speaker 4: And so the USA has always been the best country,

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Speaker 4: right Christians, As you know, we set up human rights

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Speaker 4: language in the first place, we gave rights to all

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Speaker 4: minority groups in this country protected in the constitution, private

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Speaker 4: property rights, the rule of law. That's the Judeo Christian

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Speaker 4: West from the Book of Deuteronomy, which was the most

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Speaker 4: cited book in the Bible, and we created something great.

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Speaker 5: And so now some of that's being threatened.

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Speaker 4: The very book that gave minority rights being used by

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Speaker 4: minority rights and they want to kick that book out

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Speaker 4: of the schools, the book that gave everyone rights. And

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Speaker 4: so you're just you're scratch your head like, well, I

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Speaker 4: don't get you where you guys are going here, right,

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Speaker 4: And so it's I think we got the right cookbook.

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Speaker 4: We just need to stick to on knitting. We all

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Speaker 4: want good. What's good for every country. We need to

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Speaker 4: say that. But with that, you know, everyone, it's not

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Speaker 4: all grace. There's also law, and it's both at the

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Speaker 4: same time, you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So heading into twenty twenty six, we're in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, now January is almost over, We're looking towards

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Speaker 1: the mid terms. Everything matters, everything counts right now. And

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Speaker 1: so on the one hand, you have immigration and you

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Speaker 1: have what's taking place transpiring in places like Minnesota. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think I looked at a report. Less than two

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Speaker 1: percent of all ice activity is happening in Minnesota. The

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Speaker 1: majority of ice activity is happening in Texas, Florida, in California,

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Speaker 1: and by greater than fifty percent. You're not seeing anything

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Speaker 1: in the news about that, but instead it's all focused

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Speaker 1: there in Minnesota. So you've got the press that is

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Speaker 1: propagating a false narrative there. Meanwhile, you've got the affordability crisis,

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Speaker 1: and that's things like housing that's needing to be solved.

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Speaker 1: And part of that is because we have illegal immigrants,

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Speaker 1: and we even have temporary status migration that was granted

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Speaker 1: by the Biden administration where they're housing migrants in certain places.

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Speaker 1: How does this get solved or fixed in such a

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Speaker 1: way that Republicans don't pay a heavy price in the

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Speaker 1: midterm election.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the president, you know, I think you just

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Speaker 4: set the context pretty clear right there.

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Speaker 5: We had ten to twenty million.

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Speaker 4: Illegal immigrants, some of them commit crimes Mexico and Peter

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Speaker 4: Schwicker's new book, the Mexican elites are using pretty strong

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Speaker 4: language that they intend to do that and other cartels

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Speaker 4: around the world, et cetera. And so you got massive

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Speaker 4: crime up in Minneapolis, Minnesota. And then like you said,

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Speaker 4: where the Feds are working well with the localities, so

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Speaker 4: there aren't the issues, but when the localities say we're

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Speaker 4: not going to follow federal law, which the Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: has adjudicated very clearly that's illegal. And the folks that

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Speaker 4: are contesting ICE in public, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 4: that is not peaceful protests with people with placards just

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Speaker 4: expressing their views. It's a felony to engage violently with

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Speaker 4: federal law protectors ICE. And so that's going to be

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Speaker 4: adjudicated too. And so you know, you've got to keep.

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Speaker 5: The rule of law. If you lose.

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Speaker 4: That as a country right that the federal law can

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Speaker 4: be violated if a group opts out, you know, just

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Speaker 4: because they want to. After some young reporter shows ten

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Speaker 4: billion dollars in corruption, some young guy who's awesome, you know,

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Speaker 4: that's just stunning. It's at some point the politicians got

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Speaker 4: to say, hey, you know, if you do the right

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Speaker 4: thing and message on the American people will trust you,

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Speaker 4: and we need to go in bigger, right, they need

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Speaker 4: to cordon off these things and maybe the new head

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Speaker 4: of ICE, Homan, will we'll get an operational strategy where

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Speaker 4: we don't have these conflicts and they just you know,

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Speaker 4: arrest the folks who are violent criminals, and that he

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Speaker 4: seems to be signaling that's what he's going to do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I do think and I just saw the

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Speaker 1: post just this last week on truy Social where the

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Speaker 1: President was basically saying he had a phone call with

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Speaker 1: Governor Walls that they are going to cooperate. That Homan

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Speaker 1: is he has been mobilized. He is in Minnesota. We

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Speaker 1: saw what happened at the city's church there in Saint Paul.

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Speaker 1: Pastor Jonathan Parnell. He's got he's got ties to liberty,

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Speaker 1: he's got tied to other sister schools in the country.

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Speaker 1: We know, we know Jonathan Parnell. He's a good man.

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Speaker 1: You know this clearly is a Marxist play that's happening

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Speaker 1: to subvert federal law enforcement. And to your point, when

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Speaker 1: does the Insurrection Act get invoked at some point? When

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Speaker 1: when do you say, hey, if you're not willing to

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Speaker 1: go along and cooperate. Hopefully Walls is cooperating now, but

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Speaker 1: if you don't, you say, hey, we're going to have

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Speaker 1: to take it to another level.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I that is a tough call because this stuff

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Speaker 4: is coordinated. That's all been proven beyond a doubt now,

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Speaker 4: and the Marxist leanings are are very clear. Uh, these

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Speaker 4: these color revolutions going way back. So the tricky part

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Speaker 4: there is, you know, do you want to the Insurrection Act.

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Speaker 5: I'm all for it in this case.

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Speaker 4: Right when you have insurrection, and that's just to find

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Speaker 4: if it's as if the state local have lost control,

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Speaker 4: if they're insubordinate to the to the law, both of

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Speaker 4: those are happening, then you can invokee the the Insurrection Act.

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Speaker 4: But then the other party who wants to have a

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Speaker 4: big government, right, that's the problem, the left, the Marxist

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Speaker 4: state wanting they want the revolution to take over, and

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Speaker 4: then you're you're seeding that precedent. Probably is why they're

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Speaker 4: you know, they're waiting. They're waiting as long as they

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Speaker 4: can on that. But you know, if you lose control

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Speaker 4: of a state or of a city and it becomes violent,

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Speaker 4: and violence wins.

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Speaker 5: Right. Ice is just trying to arrest.

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Speaker 4: The most violent criminals and they're not being allowed to

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Speaker 4: do their job, and so that that is not the

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Speaker 4: violent part, right, And the folks seem to miss the

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Speaker 4: part where illegal immigrants are illegal, and so you just

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Speaker 4: go back to that.

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Speaker 5: Where did this start? It started?

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Speaker 4: Roughly speaking, when Biden let ten million folks in illegally

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Speaker 4: on purpose, and then they weren't detained and they were

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Speaker 4: let and flown into the country intentionally into certain populated

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Speaker 4: districts where they need votes, and that that.

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Speaker 5: Is the cause.

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Speaker 4: And for folks to just focus on the violent acts

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Speaker 4: in the news, is that that's not the right starting point.

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Speaker 1: Well done, Dave Bratt. Appreciate you as always in your

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Speaker 1: comments this morning. We hope to see great outcomes in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six mid terms. No one could say

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Speaker 1: it better this morning. God bless you awesome, God bless

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Speaker 5: Thanks Ryan, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Shane Winnings. Shane is a former

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Speaker 1: CEO of Promise Keepers. Shane, great to see you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining Sunday.

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Speaker 5: The Road Forward.

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Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Hey for those of us who don't know. There are

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Speaker 1: many viewers that have taken part, I'm sure in Promise

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Speaker 1: Keepers events, conferences that have happened in the past. I'm

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Speaker 1: even reminded even this morning of a march that took

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Speaker 1: place in Washington, d C. All the way back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. Founded by Bill McCartney, Promise Keepers has

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Speaker 1: done great work for decades. You're you're steering at now

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Speaker 1: you're in the leadership position, and so God bless you

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Speaker 1: for this work. But tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: Promise Keepers your history.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so we were founded in nineteen ninety same year

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Speaker 7: I was born, which is crazy to think about. Bill McCartney.

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Speaker 7: He was a college football coach for University at Colorado.

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Speaker 7: University of the Buffaloes actually won a national championship, which

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Speaker 7: is pretty cool. But he recognized, you know, at that time,

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Speaker 7: and it might be hard for people to think about

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Speaker 7: now because there's just so much out there, especially with

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Speaker 7: social media, but in the you know, in the eighties

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Speaker 7: and early nineties, there were not a lot of ministries

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Speaker 7: for men, and he saw a need there and so

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Speaker 7: he started Promise Keepers, and you know, it started with

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Speaker 7: a handful of guys meeting in a room, and it

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Speaker 7: kept doubling until eventually Promise Keepers was selling out fifteen

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Speaker 7: to twenty NFL stadiums in a year doing men's conferences,

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Speaker 7: and then, as you mentioned, in nineteen ninety seven, held

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Speaker 7: the largest gathering in US history at the National Mall

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Speaker 7: in DC, one point four million men. And we're actually

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Speaker 7: doing a thirty year anniversary gathering at the National Mall

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Speaker 7: on October second, twenty twenty seven, where we're going to

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Speaker 7: call men for a solemn assembly because we just believe,

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Speaker 7: you know, if the men of America, the spiritual leaders

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Speaker 7: of the Home and of the Church, will bow their

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Speaker 7: knee before God and repent on behalf of our nation,

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Speaker 7: we could see something supernatural happen. And we really need.

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Speaker 1: It, we absolutely do. You know, I'm reminded that, you know,

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Speaker 1: all around our country and in the Western world, there

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Speaker 1: seems to be a war on men. You know, we

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Speaker 1: hear the term thrown around toxic masculinity. While there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of pushback, you know with that term, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether you see it on social media or in the media,

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Speaker 1: you see books that are being written, we still see

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Speaker 1: a huge vacuous gap in male leadership. Men are called

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Speaker 1: to do straordinary things, not to an ordinary life, but

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary life of purpose and calling and responsibility and accountability.

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Speaker 1: But there is a gap. The gap remains. And this

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Speaker 1: is not just something I think, Shane. You know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people blame Gen Z, but it didn't start

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Speaker 1: with them. It's a it's gone for decades.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: You go from the boomer generation Gen xers. I'm a millennial,

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Speaker 1: and then you have the youngest generation, the Gen Alpha generation.

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Speaker 1: They are the most unchurched, most atheistic generation by far,

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Speaker 1: and many of them are fatherless. They have no men

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Speaker 1: in the home.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's really sad, and we can't blame the next generation.

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Speaker 7: They inherit what was left to them, just like we inherited.

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Speaker 7: What are you know, really what our grandparents left us?

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Speaker 7: And I blame it's twofold, you know, men not stepping up,

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Speaker 7: but also feminism on the rise, which is ultimately toxic

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Speaker 7: masculinity or the feminization of men and feminism or the

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Speaker 7: perversion of you know, our roles given to us by God.

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Speaker 7: They're both demonic, they're both wrong. God created male and female.

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Speaker 7: He created us equally, but we have different roles in

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Speaker 7: the home, We have different roles in society, and when

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Speaker 7: the world comes in and tries to level the playing field,

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Speaker 7: they're really just blurring the lines between male and female.

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Speaker 7: And that is why we have such a confused generation

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Speaker 7: to the point where you know, men try to become women,

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Speaker 7: women try to become men. We got to restore order.

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Speaker 7: We have to just go back to the basics, back

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Speaker 7: to Genesis, back to male and female, and then we

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Speaker 7: have to graduate from Okay, there's only two genders. Now

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Speaker 7: what does that look like? And for men, it looks

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Speaker 7: like being leaders in society, being leaders in the home,

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Speaker 7: caring for women, and so sadly, the church does desperately

679
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Speaker 7: need this education again, and that's really the gap that

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Speaker 7: PK is trying to fill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree that men need to take up

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Speaker 1: leadership in this country. Talk a little bit though, you

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Speaker 1: know your background, your former afgan that you were in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, also help people understand your profile. Before you

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Speaker 1: became CEO of Promise Keepers, you founded a group called

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Speaker 1: the Overcomers. Want to talk a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I joined the military out of college. I

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Speaker 7: went on an ROTC scholarship, So I went in as

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Speaker 7: an officer served with some great men in the first

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Speaker 7: Special Forces Group, and then after my deployment to Afghanistan,

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Speaker 7: shortly after that, I transitioned out to become a cop

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Speaker 7: and I served in Federal Way, Washington, just south of

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Speaker 7: Seattle for five years. But it was during that time

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Speaker 7: I had a radical encounter with the Lord and he

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Speaker 7: got a hold of me and I began to one,

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Speaker 7: you know, follow him, but two to preach and to minister.

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Speaker 7: And you know that eventually led to me going full

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Speaker 7: time as a missionary and then to me taking over

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Speaker 7: Promise Keepers over two years ago. And I just see

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Speaker 7: this spiritual war, you know, I've seen I've seen the

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Speaker 7: spiritual war on the front lines of what the enemy's doing.

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Speaker 7: When I was a cop, you know, because every call

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Speaker 7: we go to someone is acting out of their flesh

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Speaker 7: or doing what the devil wants them to do. And

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Speaker 7: that was crazy. But now, you know, as a full

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Speaker 7: time preacher and speaker, I see the spiritual war in

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Speaker 7: a different light. And I do see the attack on

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Speaker 7: our identity. And so I started before I took over

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Speaker 7: Promise Keepers, I started a ministry called Overcomers, and it

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Speaker 7: was just this idea that like one We're not defeated.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you're a Christian, we have the victory

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Speaker 7: in Christ Jesus, and so let's start acting like it.

714
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Speaker 7: And then let's start picking things that the enemy is

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Speaker 7: trying to kick us out of or defeat us in,

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Speaker 7: and let's overcome. And So, whether it's our identity in Christ,

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Speaker 7: whether it's our role in the home or in society,

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Speaker 7: whatever it is, I wanted people to have that mindset

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Speaker 7: of I will always overcome. And so when I took

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Speaker 7: over promise keepers, we kind of infused overcomers. And now

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Speaker 7: that's the name of our weekly men's Bible study that

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Speaker 7: happens every Wednesday night. So it's cool. We got to

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Speaker 7: hold on to a piece of that.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I can't help but be reminded. And this is a

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Speaker 1: good reminder this morning for those who are listening that

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Speaker 1: Jesus said, this is in John's Gospel. In this world

728
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Speaker 1: you will have trouble. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: times for Christians, in our identity and our walk with

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Speaker 1: the Lord, we know about the trouble, We know about

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Speaker 1: the tribulations, we know about the trials of life. We

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Speaker 1: know the persecution is going to come, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, I think people just stop with that front

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Speaker 1: end of that statement. But there's a second half. There's

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Speaker 1: a clause that comes right after that. He says, but

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Speaker 1: fear not, for I have overcome the world, and we

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Speaker 1: worship a risen, a king who died as a result

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Speaker 1: of our sin. But he knows his way beyond the grave,

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Speaker 1: and we are more than conquerors. That's in Romans chapter eight.

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Speaker 1: And nothing can separate us from the love of God.

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Speaker 1: And I think that there are a lot of Christians today,

742
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Speaker 1: Christian men who have an identity crisis. They've forgotten who

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Speaker 1: they are in Christ first, and then they forgot who

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Speaker 1: they are as men. And I don't mean men of

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Speaker 1: the flesh. I mean men in the spirit who walk

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Speaker 1: in righteousness, who need to be confident not in their

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Speaker 1: own strength, but in Christ's strength working through them, and

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Speaker 1: then confident of the mission. I mean there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of million mouthed, soft inside voices today, right, And so

750
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Speaker 1: like people who walk softly and talk tepidly about Jesus

751
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Speaker 1: and talk tepidly about conservatism or about male responsibility, we

752
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Speaker 1: need a lion's roar. And I think that's what's missing today.

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Speaker 1: Men being real men. It's good to be a man.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be a woman, and a woman is listening,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be a woman. But if God has

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Speaker 1: created you be a man, embrace that identity.

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Speaker 7: Right, and our society will thrive and people will thrive

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Speaker 7: when you step into your identity. You know, people get

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Speaker 7: into an identity crisis when they either don't know who

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Speaker 7: they are or they try to be someone else. So yes,

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Speaker 7: to women, it's like, man, be that woman of God

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Speaker 7: that he's called you to be. Step into it fully.

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Speaker 7: Men do the same, you know. Meekness is what we're

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Speaker 7: called to, not weakness. And people have this idea of this,

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Speaker 7: like gummy bear Jesus, who is just soft and he's

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Speaker 7: good with everything, and he's just a big teddy bear

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Speaker 7: and he never did anything not nice, you know, And

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Speaker 7: it's like Jesus wasn't nice. He was kind when, you know,

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Speaker 7: but he was not nice because nice people, you know,

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Speaker 7: they will become a doormat. And if you look at

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Speaker 7: how he talked, even to the Pharisees, you wouldn't describe

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Speaker 7: that as nice. But you know, rebuking it is not nice,

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Speaker 7: but it was necessary in the moment and so I

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Speaker 7: just think we're in this generation where people are afraid

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Speaker 7: because they don't know God as well as they could.

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Speaker 5: Because if we.

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Speaker 7: Truly knew who God was, and we knew who He

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Speaker 7: called us to be, then we would stand for what

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Speaker 7: He stands for, regardless of names we get called or

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Speaker 7: any kind of pushback. And you know, I just think

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Speaker 7: it's time for us to step up and to just

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Speaker 7: unashamedly lead as those men of God that were called

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Speaker 7: to And so until we do that, we're going to

784
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Speaker 7: continue to see the fractures in our society. You know,

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Speaker 7: we really need men.

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Speaker 5: To just be bold.

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Speaker 7: And it's sad that the latest statistics, I believe the

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Speaker 7: American Evangelical Church is now majority feminine. And if men

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Speaker 7: were called to be the spiritual leaders of the home

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Speaker 7: and the church, then we should be majority masculine, not feminine.

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Speaker 7: And again, it's not because we have anything against women.

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Speaker 7: It's because this is God's design and we're outside of

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Speaker 7: the way that He created us to exist and operate.

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Speaker 7: And I believe that's why a lot of these wounds

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Speaker 7: we have as people are self inflicted. So identity is huge, though,

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Speaker 7: We've got to know who we are in Christ. And

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Speaker 7: I want to say this really quickly because you brought

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Speaker 7: it up. When men are not on mission, we will

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Speaker 7: fall into the hands of the devil, or into our

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Speaker 7: own sinful desires. You know, the old saying is idle

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Speaker 7: hands are the devil's playthings. And I think about King David.

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Speaker 7: He fell because he was a man of war, but

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Speaker 7: he was back at home relaxing, and he fell into

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Speaker 7: He didn't fall into sin. He walked into sin with Bathsheba.

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Speaker 7: But I remember what he said when he repented. And

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Speaker 7: maybe anyone hearing this this could be it could strike

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Speaker 7: a nerve with you. But David said, Lord, restore me

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Speaker 7: to the joy of your salvation. And I just think about, like, dude,

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Speaker 7: that is what so many people miss. Yes, it's important

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Speaker 7: that we comment on all of these issues and politics

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Speaker 7: and culture, and we should speak to it. But at

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Speaker 7: the end of the day, if the joy of salvation

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Speaker 7: is not what drives you and makes up who you are,

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Speaker 7: you're missing it. And I pray that any man listening

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Speaker 7: would just start there like that is home base, the

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Speaker 7: joy of being saved by God. Find out more about

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Speaker 7: that and it will drive everything else you do.

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Speaker 1: Amen, so well, said I think about what hebrew says

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Speaker 1: in Hebrews chapter twelve, right after the Hall of Faith,

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Speaker 1: that we fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and

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Speaker 1: profector of faith, for the joy set before the him.

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Speaker 1: He endured the cross, despising his shame, and so now

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Speaker 1: he's seated at the right hand of the Father. He

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Speaker 1: has been glorified, he is ascended. But absolutely joy is

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Speaker 1: what should drive us. It is the pleasures of God.

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Speaker 1: Enjoying God that is a good thing. And so men, men,

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Speaker 1: men who do not derive joy from their first love,

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Speaker 1: which should be Jesus Christ and the Gospel, if they

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Speaker 1: don't derive joy there, they're going to look for it

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Speaker 1: in other places. You're exactly right. In Samuel, in the

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Speaker 1: Old Testament, David was meant as a king to lead

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Speaker 1: his people into war against too the enemy. And so

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Speaker 1: instead of going to war, he decided to recline on

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Speaker 1: his couch and stay back home. And he was not

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Speaker 1: where he was supposed to be. And so I think

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Speaker 1: when it comes to identity, it's the first know who

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Speaker 1: you are, and then what should you be doing and

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Speaker 1: where should you be missed? Right? So, hey, just final

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Speaker 1: word of advice. You might give us this morning advice

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Speaker 1: for men who are just kind of drifting right now,

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Speaker 1: not knowing their purpose or their identity. What would you

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Speaker 1: say to him?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got a talk I did at lib actually,

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Speaker 7: which is crazy. It was a twenty minute speech. It's

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Speaker 7: got almost a million views on social media. I never

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Speaker 7: thought a full speech would take off, but I think

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Speaker 7: it's because this issue is so desperately needed for people

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Speaker 7: to speak to. But I cover you know, as men,

849
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Speaker 7: what we need to be. But if I had to

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Speaker 7: break it down right now, I would say, Look, you

851
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Speaker 7: might not have the career you want, life might not

852
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Speaker 7: be going the way you want, but you need to

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Speaker 7: be working on three things, and that's becoming a priest,

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Speaker 7: a provider, and a protector. Priest be someone who is

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Speaker 7: pursuing Jesus. And if you have a family, you're leading

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Speaker 7: them to Jesus on purpose.

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Speaker 3: Every day.

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Speaker 7: Provider, you know you are practically providing. You're also providing stability,

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Speaker 7: emotional stability, and that requires you know, getting close with

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Speaker 7: the Lord so that he can work in and through you.

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Speaker 3: And then being a protector.

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Speaker 7: We've got to protect those around us, but we also

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Speaker 7: have to protect them, not just from physical harm, but

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Speaker 7: from emotional damage from bad ideology that comes in. And

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Speaker 7: so if you're working on those three things every single day,

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Speaker 7: God has the ability to.

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Speaker 5: Speak to you, to move you.

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Speaker 7: And the cool thing is, it doesn't matter what your

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Speaker 7: occupation is. Every man I believe needs to be fulfilling

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Speaker 7: those three roles. And so you know, just let that

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Speaker 7: be an encouragement, even if you're in a waiting season

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Speaker 7: or a testing season. It's not for nothing. Romans five

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Speaker 7: tells us that these tribulations come to produce character, perseverance,

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Speaker 7: and hope. And so just know that it's not for nothing.

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Speaker 7: But make sure you're in the fight and you're not

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Speaker 7: at home reclining.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, make sure you are in the fight men, wherever

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Speaker 1: you are, and make sure that Christ is the joy

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Speaker 1: of your salvation. Shane, we'll leave it there, Folks. Stick

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Speaker 1: around for final thoughts.

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Speaker 2: For more encouragement, and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 2: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: As we close today, I want to leave you with

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Speaker 1: these words from Charles Spurgeon, the great nineteenth century Baptist

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Speaker 1: preacher who understood what it meant to persevere through difficulty.

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Speaker 5: He said this.

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Speaker 1: By perseverance, even the snail reached the arc. It's simple,

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Speaker 1: but it's profoundly true. You don't always get there because

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Speaker 1: you're the fastest or the strongest or the most impressive.

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Speaker 1: You get there because you don't quit, and you keep going.

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Speaker 1: So don't quit. Don't grow weary of doing good. Keep standing,

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Speaker 1: keep praying, keep seeking the Lord. Do not quit until

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Speaker 1: next time. God bless you, my God.