Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: and the officials Dallas Cowboys app. Hello, you always do that? Hello,
Speaker 1: This is weird. I don't know if we've ever had
Speaker 1: this lineup before on any show. Maybe one of those
Speaker 1: Happy Hours, I don't yeah, it could be. How about Yeah,
Speaker 1: your MIC's off? Wow, sterling starts. There you go, Rob,
Speaker 1: Here we go, Here we go. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Rob show. All right, so you were listening to the
Speaker 1: Talking Hanging with the Talking Cowboys break. I think sure.
Speaker 1: To my right is Rob Phillips from Talking Cowboys. Correct.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Rob. It's been Talking Cowboys group. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of To your right is our grumpy little buddy,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman. That's fair. Hey, how's it going from the break?
Speaker 1: How are you doing, Dave? I'm doing good man? How
Speaker 1: are you break? Before it hits for you? One on
Speaker 1: five and hits for one of these guys got a
Speaker 1: lot of titles. I liked that little hits on one
Speaker 1: on five They some good stuff. And then to your right,
Speaker 1: my left is my buddy from our show Hanging with
Speaker 1: the Boys? Name are you doing? Are you grumpy Nate today?
Speaker 1: I'm saying all I'm saying, I'm gonna be quiet. That's
Speaker 1: that's a lie. One more day until what Yeah, you
Speaker 1: said that when you got these the new head coach
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboy Man, tell them who that is?
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett for life? Jason Garrett for life? Y'all know
Speaker 1: something we don't know? Or is that just a prediction?
Speaker 1: I know? Why would you for this man that you
Speaker 1: care so much about and and you're letting him say
Speaker 1: all of his farewells? That was the rumor at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the week, and then it went to he
Speaker 1: was hugging people and getting numbers and he guess what
Speaker 1: that was on Monday, then Tuesday, and then Wednesday. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna take off because it is important to find it.
Speaker 1: It's not important to find a head coach or left
Speaker 1: the head coach that you care so much about. Go
Speaker 1: find another job, because every day is pretty important when
Speaker 1: you were unemployed, especially in the NFL, because there's only
Speaker 1: a certain amount of jobs. Right now, you're meeting with
Speaker 1: this man again all this just to fire him on
Speaker 1: Thursday or Friday. I don't buy it. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: fire him. They don't be the coach, they don't have to.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna let him go. You can't convince me
Speaker 1: that anything that's happened this week changes anything. Honestly, you can't.
Speaker 1: I mean and listen, I could be wrong. Nobody. The
Speaker 1: one thing I know is that literally nobody knows what's
Speaker 1: going on. That's true unless your name is love and
Speaker 1: I love it. I don't. I love it. I'm ready
Speaker 1: for because all these people that they know what's going on,
Speaker 1: they're reporting, and then they're backtracking, and then this has happened.
Speaker 1: No way that didn't have I love it. I love Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw a gift. Somebody replied to somebody with a
Speaker 1: guy on a bicycle going backwards in the circle, that's
Speaker 1: kind of where we are right now. Suck. It sucked
Speaker 1: for you too, because you guys have to write stories
Speaker 1: about the end of the season anything, but you can't
Speaker 1: really do anything until this cloud that's hanging over the
Speaker 1: star out here sitting here in limbo, mate, mates, like
Speaker 1: I don't have any of you, just for the first
Speaker 1: time on the same page. Yeah, that didn't happen. Often
Speaker 1: doesn't hardly ever, hardly ever. I just want to hear
Speaker 1: what you two guys. Well, I do have some news today. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: oh god, Cowboys signed Clayton come on future contract, Come on,
Speaker 1: but keep your duties waiting responsibility and second guys to
Speaker 1: the reserve future lists. The season ended. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to keep that is it's it's fascinating because, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the type of stuff that happens in January when you're
Speaker 1: not in the playoffs, and normally it's worth talking about.
Speaker 1: But forgive me, I'm no offense to Clayton Thorson, but
Speaker 1: I just don't really care until we know who's going
Speaker 1: to be coaching. What position does he play at? Quarterback?
Speaker 1: He's quarterback? Is he number five? Yes? Yes, the guy
Speaker 1: that we had in camp. They know he didn't come
Speaker 1: to camp. They signed him after the Sea he would work.
Speaker 1: Who did we sign I thought for real? No, he
Speaker 1: was the practice squad quarterback squirrel. He was drafted by
Speaker 1: the Eagles. They cut him after training camp. He's been
Speaker 1: here all year. They like him a lot, and they
Speaker 1: signed him so they can keep him around. We just
Speaker 1: don't know who his coach is going to be. Okay,
Speaker 1: my point was to piggyback off what you said. Nobody
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. It's for sure we do people, No,
Speaker 1: we don't need which here's and here's the thing, Like
Speaker 1: I get it, and there's a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are following y'all's train of thought. This is actually business
Speaker 1: as usual, it really is. Last year, offense is terrible.
Speaker 1: They had a bad game in the Division round of
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Obviously the defense didn't play well either. That's
Speaker 1: not the point. Everybody Scott Scotlandhan's public enemy number one.
Speaker 1: Everybody's convinced he's got to go. Did it happen Monday? No?
Speaker 1: Did it happen Tuesday? No? Wednesday, Thursday? It happened that week.
Speaker 1: It finally happened on Friday, Your coordinator a little bit
Speaker 1: different than about coach. How about the quarterback? How about
Speaker 1: Tony Romo? He gets benched for Dak Prescott. Everybody, I mean,
Speaker 1: his time with the Cowboys is done any day now.
Speaker 1: They're gonna cut him, They're gonna trade him all through January.
Speaker 1: When did that finally happen April? April? How about Dez Bryant, like,
Speaker 1: let's not act like this. Let's not act let's not
Speaker 1: act like this is unusual your head coach it, why
Speaker 1: do you need three meetings with him just to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what what went wrong this season? Thank you, coach? Okay,
Speaker 1: three days of that. You could convince me that they're
Speaker 1: doing it to get the conversation at a fever pitch,
Speaker 1: which is kind to what's happening right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: does that not sound like something the Cowboys would do.
Speaker 1: I have a theory this may bring it completely insane. Okay,
Speaker 1: it probably is. I pitched us a few of these
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, and none of them have been proven
Speaker 1: wrong yet. No, you're right, Yeah, you're right. Okay. Here's
Speaker 1: my theory. I think that from from mister Jones's comments
Speaker 1: that he made towards the end of the year, especially
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, about really having to
Speaker 1: reevaluate a lot of different things on different levels. I
Speaker 1: think what these meetings are is there in a room
Speaker 1: just like say, if you're a CEO of a company, right,
Speaker 1: and which he is, and you know your company hasn't
Speaker 1: been performing well and you want to haven't right, and
Speaker 1: you want to figure out what can we do as
Speaker 1: an organization and a company to get better. I'm going
Speaker 1: to call in the CEO. Right, I'm the owner of
Speaker 1: this company. I'm going to call them the CEO, and say,
Speaker 1: where did we Where did we mess up as as ownership?
Speaker 1: Where we where do we have our hands in the
Speaker 1: cookie jar too much? Where do we not have enough?
Speaker 1: Where did we not allow you to do certain things
Speaker 1: for the next person that comes in? How do we
Speaker 1: fix that? How do we make it a better situation
Speaker 1: for them? How do we get better as an organization?
Speaker 1: We want you to walk us through this. And as
Speaker 1: you start walking through these things, and you start saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is I would have done this, and then here's
Speaker 1: the result, and this is a domino effect, and this
Speaker 1: is what would have happened, and this would have gotten
Speaker 1: better in this area. And you and as you're having
Speaker 1: these conversations, you start going, you know what, damn, if
Speaker 1: we'd have done that, this wouldn't happen, If this wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: we'd have been better on offense, if we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done this, this this would have been better here here, here, here, here,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you need a third day
Speaker 1: to talk about this, because you start talking yourself into
Speaker 1: you know what, if we give this one more try
Speaker 1: one more try and do it the right way, the
Speaker 1: way that this person is telling me they can succeed.
Speaker 1: Let's go do it. Let's get in here and figure
Speaker 1: out how to make it happen. That's my theory. Shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been a conversation that happened last year when Garrett
Speaker 1: was coming up on the last year of his contract.
Speaker 1: Needed new offensive coordinator, needed, you know, not how many
Speaker 1: coaches have they hired over the last two years, replaced
Speaker 1: the whole staff. You would assume you would assume, we
Speaker 1: don't know, but you would assume they gave Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: a lot of input on That makes an ass out
Speaker 1: of you and me. One thing Jerry has said towards
Speaker 1: the end of the season or near at the end
Speaker 1: of the season, was, you know, he ultimately put that
Speaker 1: staff together, like final sign off on the assistance and
Speaker 1: the roles and those things in conjunction with Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: And he said, I'd take some blame on you know,
Speaker 1: we had some inexperience on the staff. And he talked
Speaker 1: about youth on the staff being a good thing well.
Speaker 1: Ultimately it didn't work out in a playoff Berth. So
Speaker 1: he's taking some blame and some ownership of why things
Speaker 1: didn't go well. Now is that part of the discussion
Speaker 1: this week? What could they have done different? He does
Speaker 1: that anyway, though, like Jy, Jerry is not afraid of criticism.
Speaker 1: I think he like he uses himself as a lightning
Speaker 1: rod a lot because he can handle it. I guess
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that much. I guess my point is
Speaker 1: he's pointing all the blame at Jason Garrett. I think
Speaker 1: one of the things that has happened is ever since
Speaker 1: probably Thanksgiving when they lost to Buffalo, everybody just assumed
Speaker 1: he was gone, just assumed, and not only would he
Speaker 1: be gone, it would be the day after, right, and
Speaker 1: nobody knows a minute after. Just be mocking y'all. Great points.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like around nobody knows other than the
Speaker 1: Joneses and maybe Jason too, what's gonna happen here. Nobody
Speaker 1: has had with complete certainty what's going to happen until
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones makes a decision and announces it. Sure, And
Speaker 1: that's why I don't think anything you throughout any theory
Speaker 1: you want but I don't until it happens, right. I
Speaker 1: mean the guys on the one to five three of
Speaker 1: the fan I said last week, they said, so you're
Speaker 1: saying he had made his mind about Jason. Yes, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure because Jerry has not said
Speaker 1: anything and he and he said after the game nothing
Speaker 1: was off the table. And this is a man who's
Speaker 1: been in the organization for ten years and there's a
Speaker 1: close bond there. Let me let me say this. Yes,
Speaker 1: mister dude, you've been kind of quiet. Yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: loving it. I'm loving it. I wish I have. I
Speaker 1: loved being being being because hell man, listen to me here, sir. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just checking to see if theories have been proven right around. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm laughing because the goal was clear and simple from
Speaker 1: both the owner and his son NFC Championship. All else
Speaker 1: is off. That was the goal. Thing. There's one for
Speaker 1: you there, But that was If that was the goal,
Speaker 1: why is Jason still here? It's mystifying. I don't have
Speaker 1: an answer for you. Let me ask you this day.
Speaker 1: If that's not my theory, If that's not what's going on? What? What?
Speaker 1: What are they talking about? Over three days? What can't
Speaker 1: you your thoughts? So I really I don't know if
Speaker 1: I had to guess again, And you know what, I
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. It's like people assumed it was
Speaker 1: going to happen. If you're smart, I would hope you
Speaker 1: realize better than that. Because the Cowboys have a track record.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this again. He's not under contract.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be fired to go away. It
Speaker 1: can just run out, Kyle, Kyle, it can just run out.
Speaker 1: They could be they could be asking Jason for his
Speaker 1: input on why things went wrong. They could be talking
Speaker 1: to Jason about what can we do to help you
Speaker 1: with your next landing spot? Setting things up well for you?
Speaker 1: They can I mean, there's nothing stopping them from investigating
Speaker 1: people they want to talk to. We haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: concrete about that. That doesn't mean it's not happening exactly,
Speaker 1: And so it could be a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: It could be a ton and and just for the record,
Speaker 1: for all I know, they could be talking about bringing back.
Speaker 1: But there's a million things that it could be that
Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean he's getting announced as having an extension tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Made It could be a two dozen different things. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but you bring up a good point ding that the
Speaker 1: fact that he is has an expiring contract, the coach
Speaker 1: has an expiring contract. You don't have to, I think
Speaker 1: everybody's waiting on this announcements. Have to make an announcement,
Speaker 1: you have down a press conference or a press release
Speaker 1: or anything. What do we do in free agency when
Speaker 1: when guys are free agents on the roster right off
Speaker 1: into the site just walk away. Cowboys don't announce when
Speaker 1: a free agent leaves the team. They announce when a
Speaker 1: new one comes in. So there will be at have
Speaker 1: to really talk about this, you know, and if they
Speaker 1: don't all waiting for them too, and because it help
Speaker 1: us out on this show, but we don't, you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing new to talk about it because this contracts
Speaker 1: through what January fourteenth, that's the report, Well, Jake Glazer
Speaker 1: had to report that that was the first which that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be too supposed to been whiz I'm
Speaker 1: gonna write, I heard on Wednesday. I heard Wednesday, and
Speaker 1: then I also heard the fourteen. I've heard. Seems more
Speaker 1: logical that I would be the fourteenth. They say, whizzed
Speaker 1: it was his cutoff day. But they say that the
Speaker 1: NFL and this coaches have kind of unwritten rule for
Speaker 1: two weeks. You know, you kind of honored it, like
Speaker 1: yeah to the fourteenth, so that if you're trying to
Speaker 1: leave or if you they trying to renegotiate with you,
Speaker 1: that they would had a grace period. Right, still get paid.
Speaker 1: But typically, I mean, if you if you want to
Speaker 1: part way as with your coach in the NFL, it
Speaker 1: is almost unilaterally done in the Monday after the regular season,
Speaker 1: so it's uncharted territory. I don't know what that means,
Speaker 1: but like I mean, I would not be shocked. Let's
Speaker 1: say Jason Garrett is leaving, which is still what I
Speaker 1: think is ultimately what's going to happen. We might not
Speaker 1: hear anything about it until it's like Jason Garrett is,
Speaker 1: you know, interviewing with the Cleveland Browns once. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that that could be it. Yeah. I really don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna make some grand announcement. Yeah, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: you guys, you robbing Dave. If it happens, I don't
Speaker 1: expect them to have this press conference that hey, we're
Speaker 1: parting ways. I think you smoke coming out of the
Speaker 1: Vatican and all that kind of stuff, Like, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't I think you would just hear rumors of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are talking to these people, purse sources, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: is talking to these teams, purse sources, and then it
Speaker 1: just kind of takes, you know, kind of goes. But
Speaker 1: as we know, we like the show around here. We
Speaker 1: like to take the show pony and trotted around the track.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, whatever is happening,
Speaker 1: it's not in in the cowboys mind preventing great, it's
Speaker 1: not preventing them from from another step, the next step
Speaker 1: in their mind. It's not They're not now being rushed
Speaker 1: to make a decision on a new coach if that's
Speaker 1: the way they go. And apparently it's not hindering Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's future either one way or the other or the record,
Speaker 1: because it's been what it's been four days, I think
Speaker 1: that's true. By the way, is like if again look
Speaker 1: at the reports Josh McDaniels, the New England OC, he's
Speaker 1: gonna do all of his interviews on January tenth, that's
Speaker 1: a week from tomorrow. Um, who's the other guy? Eric
Speaker 1: bi enemy the chiefs OC he's gonna wait and do
Speaker 1: his stuff. Uh this, I think he's gonna interview like
Speaker 1: this weekend and next week, like there's still time. It
Speaker 1: feels like I think with him, he's got a he's
Speaker 1: on a team with a buy, right, so he's got
Speaker 1: to do it this week, right. But McCarthy, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: is another one stuff schedule around the league elsewhere some
Speaker 1: of these guys aren't scheduled to even interview for these jobs,
Speaker 1: and that's a first interview. A lot of times you
Speaker 1: see two or three for some of these guys. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of these hires aren't going to get made
Speaker 1: in the next seven or so days, which that doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like a long time, but think about how long
Speaker 1: the last four days have felt for all of us.
Speaker 1: So the fact that there's no movement on Thursday, I
Speaker 1: don't think hinders their ability to do anything. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's take a break when we come back, let's have fun.
Speaker 1: Let's start the new year. You don't think this is fun.
Speaker 1: I think this is probably the most fun I've had
Speaker 1: on a show outside of the season ever, just because
Speaker 1: no one knows and it's so great what you got Nate,
Speaker 1: I was just one more day. I'm sorry, Okay, one
Speaker 1: more day. Do you think this goes into tomorrow and
Speaker 1: the next day and next week? We'll be right back
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys out. Wow, okay, w a clown show. Hey, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not used to this. I'm not used to these intros.
Speaker 1: We don't have any live reads for this week. Wheels
Speaker 1: are just completely off the bus, like it around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it kind of fits what's happening right now. No, no,
Speaker 1: come on, he positive a clown car. It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's just weird, that's all. But like our group, our
Speaker 1: wheels are always off. That's true. We wing it. We're
Speaker 1: our best when we wing it, when we bulldog it,
Speaker 1: right Dave, Yes, yeah, well that's always been my strategy.
Speaker 1: Let's have fun. Speaking of fun, pay David, I did
Speaker 1: something fun yesterday, not together, but we were in the
Speaker 1: same place. Yeah, we went to the Winter Classic yesterday.
Speaker 1: We did what is that? That was the hockey game
Speaker 1: outside Okay All Stars and the Predators. That was actually
Speaker 1: a really cool sports experience. That's one of the probably
Speaker 1: top five coolest things I've ever done. I would agree
Speaker 1: top five. Yeah, just because it was so well, it
Speaker 1: was so out of place being in the it was
Speaker 1: a wold fact. Yeah, I've never been in the Cotton
Speaker 1: Bowl for the spirits whole lot. Don't don't cut some.
Speaker 1: It was just the just just for you to have
Speaker 1: a girl that you go around with and be seen
Speaker 1: with that is a wild factor. That's probably top things
Speaker 1: out with me and puts up with my stuff. Before
Speaker 1: we go any farther, I would like to ask one question,
Speaker 1: just one shoot. Did he give you our pete a
Speaker 1: year ago? Yeah? Yeah, I know his way out. I know.
Speaker 1: It's crazy talking about the day that I left early
Speaker 1: on a Friday and oh yeah, yeah, thank you. Was
Speaker 1: it good? We split it up between our staff. Like
Speaker 1: the guy he listens to y'all show, right, he sent
Speaker 1: y'all like ten pieces. You were already out of the office,
Speaker 1: so we divvied it up. I think I got two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was good. Ten pieces. They were like individually rapped,
Speaker 1: okay from it was like coal fired. It was good,
Speaker 1: throw it in the oven. He sent it to us
Speaker 1: on the show, and I Kurt was gone left early.
Speaker 1: I left early. Dave was. It was on a Friday,
Speaker 1: I think in the off season or it was a
Speaker 1: holiday or something, and Dave was the only person up
Speaker 1: here and it was in dry ice on my desk
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, you gave me a slice. Johnathan called
Speaker 1: me and was like, hey, this is on your desk.
Speaker 1: It says dry ice. I don't think it's gonna keep
Speaker 1: through the weekend. So I called Dave, and Dave unpacked
Speaker 1: it and I think handed it out and I just
Speaker 1: want was tasty. So back back to the show and
Speaker 1: that we don't know anyone. I was gonna say. I
Speaker 1: love the thought of like just die hard cowboys fans
Speaker 1: tuning in for like, what what's the word pizza? Talking
Speaker 1: about dry packaged pizza that we ate a year ago?
Speaker 1: What we do? That's what we do, all right? So
Speaker 1: let's start with you, Nate. Okay, what is what is
Speaker 1: the one the bright spot of this season? If there
Speaker 1: is one. If you don't have one, then say there
Speaker 1: wasn't one. What what would you think? Or anybody jump
Speaker 1: in here? What what is a positive to come out
Speaker 1: of this season? A player? Um, a moment, a situation.
Speaker 1: Not everybody jump in here once a lot of dead
Speaker 1: air there. Yeah, I'll go um and people can roll
Speaker 1: their eyes at me if they want to. I know
Speaker 1: they went eight and eight. I know that he wasn't
Speaker 1: always perfect, and I know that some of his stats
Speaker 1: were kind of hollow. But Dak Prescott paid well enough.
Speaker 1: I said paid. That's probably because that's what's on my mind.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott played well enough that I feel comfortable making
Speaker 1: him the quarterback of this franchise going forward at what costs,
Speaker 1: preferably slotting him where is thirty four would be great
Speaker 1: if I could give him a little bit more than
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and Jared Goff, certainly not as much as
Speaker 1: you know Russell Wilson or Big Ben or what the
Speaker 1: other guys are gonna make, which will be more. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Patrick Mahomes could flirt with forty a year
Speaker 1: when he's when he's ready to do that, which could
Speaker 1: be as soon as the Chiefs are done playing. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do that, and that's that's gonna be
Speaker 1: one of the big storylines of the season, is where
Speaker 1: do you come down on that? How hard or you know,
Speaker 1: or the cowboy's gonna play hardball or Dak and his
Speaker 1: team really going to hold out and try to break
Speaker 1: the bank. I don't know, but assuming you can get
Speaker 1: that deal done and not set the market, I feel
Speaker 1: perfectly comfortable with that, And I honestly which this will
Speaker 1: make people feel some type of way too, but like
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to me that this is happening after
Speaker 1: an eight and eighth season. That's when Tony Romo signed
Speaker 1: his last really big contract. He got whatever it was
Speaker 1: at the time, one hundred and five million in the
Speaker 1: weeks following an eight and eighth season that saw them
Speaker 1: get knocked out in the final week of the year.
Speaker 1: So obviously, you know Dak had he didn't deliver this year,
Speaker 1: they didn't make the playoffs. I get all of that,
Speaker 1: but there were enough positive signs for me and his youth.
Speaker 1: I think he's only going to get better and I
Speaker 1: would be very comfortable pulling that trigger. Only glit No,
Speaker 1: ye do this started franchise stage. Just say hey, this
Speaker 1: is where we started it and that may be what
Speaker 1: they end up doing if they can't get to an agreement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only problem I had I love Dak as a human,
Speaker 1: as a leader. I think the big blood coming well
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, Well, the Cowboys haven't really given themselves much
Speaker 1: of a choice. They've kind of backed themselves into a corner.
Speaker 1: And I think that's you're really your only option because
Speaker 1: they remember far too well the days of Quincy and
Speaker 1: Chad Hutchinson and the big gap between. If you want
Speaker 1: a devil's advocate, I mean, you could franchise Dak and
Speaker 1: draft the quarterback you like, what kind of what kind
Speaker 1: of locker room would that be? Sure? That that dynamic
Speaker 1: that would be I don't think it would be a
Speaker 1: good idea, but you I mean you could. You're not
Speaker 1: married to him, that's the whole point. But I think
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the reason why they didn't bring in
Speaker 1: a One of the reason why they didn't bring an
Speaker 1: established veteran in is because you didn't want that controversy
Speaker 1: or that you know. But I would have liked to
Speaker 1: have seen Dak a couple of times this year when
Speaker 1: they needed him to put the team on their back,
Speaker 1: him go win a game. Yeah, And I didn't see
Speaker 1: that this year. I saw it last year, the year
Speaker 1: before and the year before, but this year, like when
Speaker 1: you really needed him strap it up. New Orleans was
Speaker 1: an example. A couple of other games, like go go
Speaker 1: win us a couple of games, and I don't know
Speaker 1: that could have been play calling, that could have been coaching,
Speaker 1: that could have been talent around you, whatever. I just
Speaker 1: when you go pay that kind of money, I feel
Speaker 1: like Russell Wilson's gonna win you two or three a year.
Speaker 1: I feel like Drew's gonna win you two or I
Speaker 1: feel like Aaron Rodgers gonna win you five or six
Speaker 1: a year. So yeah, but you know, on the flip
Speaker 1: side of that, one thing I've for Dad when his
Speaker 1: numbers haven't been as good as they were this year,
Speaker 1: even in the past, the thing that I always felt
Speaker 1: like with him, I feel like he's a pretty clutch
Speaker 1: quarterback when he has the ball in his hands lad
Speaker 1: in games throughout his career, I've always felt pretty good
Speaker 1: about it, and on top now it kind of flipped
Speaker 1: this year because I think his numbers are better, but
Speaker 1: the wins aren't there. Yeah, So I think he's still
Speaker 1: young enough in his career to what piggyback on what
Speaker 1: Dave said, I think he continues to get better. But
Speaker 1: one thing you said about the backup situation, I think
Speaker 1: they've gone young because they just they they've brought in
Speaker 1: veteran backups before and it's been not great. It's been
Speaker 1: the disaster at times, but those guys have had to play.
Speaker 1: But rather go young backups on a reflection of how
Speaker 1: good your team is. Like Pittsburgh Steelers, they got a team,
Speaker 1: big being come back. It's gonna be a nice ain't rolling.
Speaker 1: They got a team, and I think we have a team.
Speaker 1: But the issue, the issue here is, and I'm with
Speaker 1: Hellman and I'm gonna go a little bit deeper. You
Speaker 1: start at the franchise tag and you work it slowly
Speaker 1: from there. Do not feel like you have to rush
Speaker 1: just in case they go against Min Shannon wishes. They
Speaker 1: go against Min Shannon wishes because the new coach may
Speaker 1: see that in a different light. So that I think
Speaker 1: about that all the time. I mean, if Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: is not the coach, and that's the thing is a
Speaker 1: new coach shows up, and it's uncanny how quickly you
Speaker 1: can transform a roster when you do a regime change
Speaker 1: like that. John Gruden just did it a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. I keep thinking about him, and there are
Speaker 1: they're in position to do that this year because they've
Speaker 1: got thirty something guys that could be free agents, Bud
Speaker 1: just over half the roster. I think a prerequisite for
Speaker 1: any hire they would make would be that the coach
Speaker 1: has to be convicted that Dak as the guy. Totally agree.
Speaker 1: I can't think they're sold. Times have changed in the
Speaker 1: last what five, six, seven, eight years to where you
Speaker 1: gotta have a coach that's committed to the quarterback and
Speaker 1: can you win with this guy? And if you can't,
Speaker 1: and we really want this coach. You've seen it several
Speaker 1: times the last few years, the quarterbacks gone and they
Speaker 1: bring their own guy. You saw it with McVeigh, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that to me, it doesn't seem like it
Speaker 1: used to be that. The Cardinals they go, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you saw it. Kingsbury not so much. McVeigh.
Speaker 1: Goff was already the wrong coach. But this this is
Speaker 1: my issue. When y'all talk about Dak and we sit
Speaker 1: here on our show and he shouted her and he
Speaker 1: said a million times Dak has to take from his
Speaker 1: past what is successful and blended in with the new.
Speaker 1: He became a passing machine. And we saw Dak twice
Speaker 1: this year. Go back and look at the films. We
Speaker 1: saw him against Philadelphia and we saw him against the
Speaker 1: Red Skins, where he did everything, ran uninvited. I'm trying about.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about let his instincts. Let him keep his instincts.
Speaker 1: A lot of this this year he's just sent back there.
Speaker 1: First were first wall bundles thirty four, third and three,
Speaker 1: third and five, and we're dropping back passing. Okay, was
Speaker 1: nothing wrong in the offensive line. We still had Zeke
Speaker 1: and Dak said, okay, there's three yards. Well he tried
Speaker 1: to throw. I'm saying myself, is he lost it? What
Speaker 1: is he thinking? Is he over coach? Now? Because I
Speaker 1: know North Turner, but that was a different deal with
Speaker 1: Troy Troy like, hey, we're gonna throw the ball. With
Speaker 1: Troy that hey, you sometimes you have to stand back
Speaker 1: then make something happen. But I didn't see that with Dak.
Speaker 1: And when you see that with Dak, now we got
Speaker 1: the games closer and were going down the stretch, and
Speaker 1: I see that type of day. I didn't see that
Speaker 1: Dak this year. I think that's fair. I mean, the
Speaker 1: late game heroics were not there. He had a chance.
Speaker 1: If he's if he's a little bit better, maybe they
Speaker 1: beat Minnesota. You know, they had the ball before, even
Speaker 1: if you change the play. That's the question that's Philly
Speaker 1: obviously is the most recent one where I mean, he
Speaker 1: could have stepped up in that situation and potentially tied
Speaker 1: the game. You didn't see it this year, and that's
Speaker 1: it's a very fair criticism. I just people always say,
Speaker 1: like they're like, you want to pay for what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do, not what you have done, Like you're paying
Speaker 1: for the future. And I feel comfortable that he will
Speaker 1: continue to grow and be a better quarter. All that
Speaker 1: said that, the team itself wasn't as good last year.
Speaker 1: The defense didn't get the takeaways for the short fields
Speaker 1: to allow Dak maybe more comfort running the offense. The
Speaker 1: special team, the fuel position wasn't there for the offense.
Speaker 1: The overall team wasn't as good, and how many you know,
Speaker 1: some of it slow starts on offense, but how many
Speaker 1: times I mean, I think in the last month Dak
Speaker 1: was averaging forty five pass attempts a game that's not
Speaker 1: his game, that's not the offenses game, and that's some
Speaker 1: of that's play calling. But someone's just a product of
Speaker 1: how the team is playing, and they weren't. They didn't
Speaker 1: get themselves in position to maximize his abilities and run
Speaker 1: the offense they like to run it. This is what
Speaker 1: I do know, Rob, This is what I do know
Speaker 1: two years ago, and last year and a year before that.
Speaker 1: For the last six years, we have not been a
Speaker 1: team that turned people over, right, We have not been
Speaker 1: a interception team that follows on the term. But what
Speaker 1: we were and we would never second guess, was the
Speaker 1: ability to tackle. Yes, that is that. One number one
Speaker 1: thing that crushed this team this year is their ability
Speaker 1: to tackle. And if they fixed just that one thing
Speaker 1: and little little things that were cropped up down the
Speaker 1: street last eight games of the season, the screen game,
Speaker 1: trying to just get plays made in space, just fundamental stuff.
Speaker 1: Just winning football you have to play. They didn't do
Speaker 1: that consistently this year at all. Yeah, I mean, you're right,
Speaker 1: like though, I mean, they haven't gotten takeaways the whole
Speaker 1: time I've covered this team, But they forced to tackle, man,
Speaker 1: they forced teams to kick field goals. They get off
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, I mean, how many amazing like sideline
Speaker 1: to sideline tackles did vander esh and Jalen make last
Speaker 1: year that didn't get made this year. Let's take it
Speaker 1: in that direction. Date, So you're sounds like your biggest
Speaker 1: thing they have to improve on to be a better
Speaker 1: team next year's tackling. If they do that, I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 1: this is automatically, this automatically a one or two win
Speaker 1: better team just about tackling. Even last year, they would
Speaker 1: have threw an eighty yard bomb. Again, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the Jets, but they wouldn't have made it to the
Speaker 1: end zone. I guarantee you we would have got them.
Speaker 1: We would have would have got That was the hallmark
Speaker 1: of Marinelli's defenses for years, is that those type of
Speaker 1: players didn't happen. That's right, brother, and I believe that
Speaker 1: because is that coach Marinelli is that. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you, how do you? I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: fix that? I mean you're changing coaches back there now? Hellman,
Speaker 1: I could answer to Jason Garry question quicker than I
Speaker 1: can serious sick. What went wrong? It was it? The players?
Speaker 1: The coaches are both Yeah, what's what's something Nates is tackling.
Speaker 1: I think mine, mine is I think going into this year,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there were too many games where you
Speaker 1: gave up on the run too early and calls Dak
Speaker 1: to throw forty plus times the game. Like, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I was speaking to, And it's it's not
Speaker 1: all play callings, it's the way the game went. But yeah, Zeke,
Speaker 1: Zeke had a hell of the last stretch of the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were blowing people off the ball at
Speaker 1: times in the running game, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: they were as balanced as they would like to be.
Speaker 1: Certainly weren't as balanced as they've been the first three years.
Speaker 1: With that, it's almost like they would get scared. They
Speaker 1: would they would panic once they were down to seven. Coordinator.
Speaker 1: That was the youthful offensive coordinator. That's all I'm calling
Speaker 1: it how it is. See Jason Garrett, you have to
Speaker 1: press him, but he easily said our coordinator is calling
Speaker 1: the plays. The first time he said, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: the second time he said, my officeive coordinators calling the plays.
Speaker 1: Then you digg a little deeper and find out that
Speaker 1: mister Jones, say, hey, you would office coordinator called these plays.
Speaker 1: We pay you for your aggressiveness, for your creativity, we
Speaker 1: ain't paying you for your experience. And then you know
Speaker 1: when it came home for me was when we played
Speaker 1: Philadelphia three and out. They got our defense on the
Speaker 1: field for five minutes. Then we come back knowing we
Speaker 1: need to do something to save our defense. We go
Speaker 1: three and out again. Did we come out again? They
Speaker 1: hold the ball? Did we come back again? And the
Speaker 1: only thing that the reason we got five plays called
Speaker 1: we connected on the forty one yard but after that
Speaker 1: we was out of the game. Our defense got sloted
Speaker 1: for thirty four minutes. You can't do that as officsive coordinator.
Speaker 1: You have to save your team. Now that goes straight
Speaker 1: to the head coach, but your office a coordinator making
Speaker 1: these calls. No brother tackle and run in play, special teams,
Speaker 1: special team. So there's another one. I'd say takeaways. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just Nate said it. It's been years and years
Speaker 1: where they're midpack to bottom of the league. I think
Speaker 1: they were tied for the fourth FEUs. They've just got
Speaker 1: to make more plays on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: They have talent on defense. Now they've got there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of changes on defense. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think there's like six guys that are headed front restrictor
Speaker 1: free agency that started games this year. Whether you know,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown counts as a third coin, Anthony Brown, Robert Quinn,
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, Jeff Heath, Shawn Lee, UM coach man, Antoine
Speaker 1: Woods is going. He's gonna be an exclusive exclusive rights
Speaker 1: so he's probably not going anywhere. But it's a lot
Speaker 1: at every level of their defense. I mean, there could
Speaker 1: be changed, but Joe Thomas not a starter out Thomas,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that can help Dak in the offense is
Speaker 1: more than anything. I mean, you see some of these
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions in the past few years. They haven't
Speaker 1: necessarily had great defenses, but they took the ball away
Speaker 1: and that that they almost need to reconfigure the ratings
Speaker 1: for defenses because the Cowboys finished I think top eleven twelve.
Speaker 1: But if you're not getting takeaways, that is such a
Speaker 1: critical part of what you do defend. Which but like
Speaker 1: you can yeah, those stats are misleading, but you can
Speaker 1: go look at like efficiency like DVOA they were like
Speaker 1: twenty fourth in the league. Okay, awful. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: for me I know the offense had inconsistencies. They have
Speaker 1: bad games. There were stretches where they looked pretty terrible,
Speaker 1: But that offense perform, That offensive performance all sixteen games
Speaker 1: gets them to the playoffs with a better season from
Speaker 1: your defense, especially especially with the hype that we put
Speaker 1: on them, like every I mean the hot boys got
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that phrase ever again. Now
Speaker 1: they took that in San Francisco, we don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about seriously, they I mean, they didn't play up
Speaker 1: to the hype you got. You thought guys would make jumps.
Speaker 1: That didn't do it. Tackling ninety two yard touchdown against
Speaker 1: the team that won six games. I mean, come on.
Speaker 1: I mean the two games where they played lights out
Speaker 1: the best they played all year, first game against Philly
Speaker 1: and the Rams, and they got takeaways, impactful plays defensively
Speaker 1: that helped their offense out. To me, that's the biggest
Speaker 1: key going forward. Because Dad's not going anywhere, Zeke's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. They've got the pieces still on offense. They're
Speaker 1: coming back. I'm gonna tell you some fellas you know,
Speaker 1: and I love having fun, but it's Jason garretting. But
Speaker 1: one thing I do know, whoever is the coach, you
Speaker 1: have a window here. Of course, talent, if directed in
Speaker 1: the right way, for the next three years, all we
Speaker 1: should be talking about is ten plus win seasons. This
Speaker 1: was one. That's what makes this frustrating. That was this
Speaker 1: was a year off the window. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They needed to make some hey here before all these
Speaker 1: contracts come home to roost, because that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem in the next two or three years. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about contracts and free agency. I want to get you'all thoughts. One.
Speaker 1: I want to just take Dak out of it. We'll
Speaker 1: take a break when we come back. Think about it
Speaker 1: in the break. Who's the one guy besides Dak that
Speaker 1: is a free agent that you have to get back
Speaker 1: on this team. And then also let's look at the
Speaker 1: wide receiver group and what you would do with that.
Speaker 1: You know, Maury's a free agent, do you have to
Speaker 1: bring him back? Or is Gallop ready to take the
Speaker 1: next step? And then you go get another guy in
Speaker 1: a draft. You also need back end help on the defense.
Speaker 1: What do you do with that draft pick. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: little bit free agents. Let's talk about the wide receiver
Speaker 1: group first, obviously Amari. Do you have to sign Amari?
Speaker 1: Or are you good with the one thing? The one thing?
Speaker 1: I love him Mark, he might be my favorite receiver
Speaker 1: that's ever been here. I think I might like him
Speaker 1: more than Daz. I just wish he had a little
Speaker 1: bit of Deaz in him. I wish he had a
Speaker 1: little bit more dog in him. Yeah, just a little
Speaker 1: a little more. Hey, when it's when it's time to go,
Speaker 1: like go and I don't take me out of the game, right, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not coming out. You have to pull me. My
Speaker 1: farm has to be hanging off my b Yes, I
Speaker 1: love I love him Mary. I hope he's back because
Speaker 1: I love watching him run routes. I love his demeanor.
Speaker 1: I like him. He just calm, He'll answer any question
Speaker 1: in the locker room. But I just kind of almost
Speaker 1: like I wanted Dak to take the team and put
Speaker 1: him on his back a couple of games. I wanted
Speaker 1: to Mary to take the team and put him on
Speaker 1: his back a couple of games. But I hope he
Speaker 1: comes back. What are y'all's thoughts as far as are
Speaker 1: you signing ah Mari? Is it come down to if
Speaker 1: you got the money. Is it got to be the
Speaker 1: right deal or is he a guy you just go
Speaker 1: pay no matter what. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, Davy.
Speaker 1: But if the CBA remains in place, by the speak
Speaker 1: can use both tags. They can use two tags. They
Speaker 1: could if they have to, they can tag Dak and
Speaker 1: they can take and tag them both. So I don't
Speaker 1: I mean, I see him being back next year. I
Speaker 1: completely know. Whether it's a long term deal, we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like Dak. It's going to
Speaker 1: depend on the money. But I think he's back, and
Speaker 1: I think I think he had a good year this year.
Speaker 1: I think you have to also take an account the
Speaker 1: guy played through a lot of stuff this year, um,
Speaker 1: and I think it affects now. He told us he
Speaker 1: can't healthy, but I don't think he was completely He
Speaker 1: told us on Monday that he was healthier the second
Speaker 1: eight games than the first, which really kind of disconcerting
Speaker 1: because he was because he wasn't like his worst games
Speaker 1: of the season all happened in the final five or
Speaker 1: six weeks, right, So if he was feeling better, that's
Speaker 1: not great. And he wasn't even on the injury report
Speaker 1: in the Philly game, where everybody is wondering what happened there, Um,
Speaker 1: so you can't blame it on injuries. But I think
Speaker 1: he's back and and but there's no question getting act
Speaker 1: that chemistry that he and Dak has on a consistent
Speaker 1: basis road home that's a huge must for twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Dak and Amari are pretty funny because they both had
Speaker 1: really good seasons, but not seasons that where you're just like,
Speaker 1: pay them whatever they want, break it, like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's reservations about both, and I think they're fair.
Speaker 1: I agree. You know, you'd like to see some more
Speaker 1: dog from him. You'd like to see him play well
Speaker 1: on the road if he's gonna get top three money,
Speaker 1: Like I need a guy that doesn't get taken out
Speaker 1: of a game two or three times a year and
Speaker 1: that well, So me and Derek had this conversation out
Speaker 1: of the game physically, but out of the game like
Speaker 1: shut down no, and well, Derek and I had this conversation.
Speaker 1: I think I think people, you know, you focus so
Speaker 1: much on one team, I think you can find yourself
Speaker 1: in a bubble because that happens with you're only seeing
Speaker 1: other receivers on Sports Center and You're like, oh, another
Speaker 1: great game from him, like he never gets shut down.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really true. I think Michael Thomas
Speaker 1: never gets shut down, DeAndre Hopkins and maybe who Leo Jones.
Speaker 1: But like the rest of the wide receivers in this league.
Speaker 1: But that's not bad. But the chalk up a twenty
Speaker 1: two yard perform. But that's what I'm saying. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna command top one money, I need you to play
Speaker 1: like a top three guy every week. I would be
Speaker 1: happy to pay a Mario a long term contract if
Speaker 1: I can slot him in at eighteen or nineteen million
Speaker 1: a year, like if he wants to top Michael Thomas's deal.
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable with that. Okay, fair enough, Nate,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. It's like we're the ones doing
Speaker 1: the talking, and fuck for us to be talking about
Speaker 1: amor a guy that said, oh, I'm okay, Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't even know why he was okay. He just
Speaker 1: said I'm okay, I'm good. So I'm gonna wait. I
Speaker 1: want him back, but I can let's see what he
Speaker 1: let's for us see what he what are asking for?
Speaker 1: Do we have a bottom line of what he's asking
Speaker 1: for we knew at one point, we thought we knew,
Speaker 1: but what that actually turned down to thirty five million
Speaker 1: on a contract? Yeah, I don't. I don't think the
Speaker 1: talks with the Maria had the same type of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think they got us far. Yeah. No, And
Speaker 1: there's that, So there's some stuff going on there where
Speaker 1: like he changed representation. There was like some time over
Speaker 1: at his agency. I don't know. I will say, like,
Speaker 1: if you don't feel comfortable signing him long term, lets
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say they tag him and it's another
Speaker 1: one year deal, you better do some aggressive work on
Speaker 1: your wide receiver corps. Because I love Michael Gallup. I
Speaker 1: think he's one of the feel good stories of the season.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put that strain on him a
Speaker 1: number one to be the guy. And Randall Cobb's a
Speaker 1: free agent, he was fine. A lot of missed opportunities
Speaker 1: there for him. I mean, Tavon Austin, that's like, there's
Speaker 1: exactly no, I know, there's not a lot of pieces here.
Speaker 1: What like, you look at it right now, you're like
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper, Randall cop and Michael Gallup. That's pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden if Cooper's not part
Speaker 1: of it, you're like, we got Michael Gallup and some dude.
Speaker 1: And I've heard the argument if you look at the
Speaker 1: draft show seasons coming up. But if they, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a long look at like not necessarily slot receivers,
Speaker 1: but receivers that can move inside and outside, I think
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's a deep class, at least at
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. It absolutely is. But the
Speaker 1: thing about that is it's like you say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they could just go do that, spend a top pick, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: what about tight end? What about defensive tackles, what about safety?
Speaker 1: What about corner? What was Byron Jones's future? There is
Speaker 1: a ton of You can go down the list of
Speaker 1: positions on his roster and say, oh, they I could
Speaker 1: see that, I could spend them picking it. I could
Speaker 1: see them spending the top yeah draft pick on this position.
Speaker 1: Exposition sound it's really fun to draft one of those
Speaker 1: freaks out of Alabama or God, there's there's a kid
Speaker 1: in Colorado that's awesome, Like they could do some damage
Speaker 1: with this wide receiver, Claus. Do you really see them
Speaker 1: they having spent a first round pick on them, Maury Cooper.
Speaker 1: If they're not going to give him a long term deals,
Speaker 1: maybe they should. I just don't see if he's on,
Speaker 1: if he's tagged and you don't know what his future
Speaker 1: looks like, then maybe you should. What's wrong they? I
Speaker 1: love it. Great discussion, but comes but no, no, no,
Speaker 1: a great discussion because man, you just ain't that. I've
Speaker 1: been saying the same thing for two weeks, but it
Speaker 1: always get back to this right here, whether we want
Speaker 1: it to a not And I know we don't draft
Speaker 1: a need, so you could make the case that they
Speaker 1: kind of and they've done that and messed up. But fellas,
Speaker 1: I think maybe with the fifth pick I would draft
Speaker 1: the offensive player our defense is find to go through it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, So you're a lot of potential train
Speaker 1: We do not fix our defense. I promise you we'll
Speaker 1: be looking at the same season again next year. The
Speaker 1: top sack guy, Robert Quinn is going to be a
Speaker 1: fair ag Are they gonna pay him? And if they don't,
Speaker 1: who's playing opposite Tank Lawrence. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of let's take it, let's take it another level, Okay,
Speaker 1: until we get some clarity on this coaching situation. You
Speaker 1: don't even know what kind of scheme they're gonna run.
Speaker 1: I don't think they could switch to three four next year?
Speaker 1: Why not if if I'm just what if they hire?
Speaker 1: What if they hire? Like I mean, let okay, we don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe Jayson Garretts come back tomorrow, he's going back, Okay
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, it's almost two o'clock. If what if
Speaker 1: they get there? What if they get a home run
Speaker 1: higher And it doesn't matter who the name is, but
Speaker 1: he's just like, I do a three four. I'm a
Speaker 1: three four guy. I want that. That's what I That's
Speaker 1: what I want. It's hard to do, I know, the same.
Speaker 1: Even Parcels waited two years before he got to his
Speaker 1: three four, which it's true, you got to spend a draft,
Speaker 1: a couple of drafts doing it. But but you, like,
Speaker 1: my point is like right now, we're like, well, they
Speaker 1: got to find a way to keep Byron Jones. They
Speaker 1: have to. He's he's played so well the last two years.
Speaker 1: New new DC comes in under a new coach, He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't need that guy. That guy doesn't feel with Dave.
Speaker 1: Since you're talking, who's your guy, who's your guy outside
Speaker 1: of Dad that you have to keep free agent. Oh goodness, UM,
Speaker 1: I would probably go, I mean, this is boring, but
Speaker 1: I'd probably say Amari followed by Byron. I don't know
Speaker 1: how realistic that is. I think Byron's gonna unless they
Speaker 1: were to tag him. I think Byron's gonna price himself
Speaker 1: out of here because he's gonna get money. I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: he doesn't get picks, but good cornerback play as a
Speaker 1: valuable commodity in this Yeah, and so I think that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough contract to keep up with UM
Speaker 1: after Amari. I mean, if you can find a way
Speaker 1: to get Quinn back, I would love that. I you know,
Speaker 1: I think about the deal DeMarcus Ware signed after we
Speaker 1: cut him. He went to Denver and signed three years
Speaker 1: for thirty million. Quinn's turning thirty, he's been through the league,
Speaker 1: he's gotten paid. If you could sign him to a
Speaker 1: deal like that, I'd be all for it. But but
Speaker 1: that I mean, as always, that depends on the market.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody else could offer him twice as much,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, we did our best, but you
Speaker 1: gotta be responsible too. Who's your gaff? Rob? I agree
Speaker 1: with everything Dave said. I'll throw out Sean Lee. I
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be thirty four, but coach, well, he
Speaker 1: may want to keep playing. And if he does, I
Speaker 1: think given Layton vander Esh's status coming off the surgery
Speaker 1: and they say he'll be ready in the offseason program.
Speaker 1: But having Sean not in a monster role, but he
Speaker 1: played the role he played, and and that veteran presence
Speaker 1: in the locker room, I think that's important. He wants
Speaker 1: to play in football. Has there ever been a player
Speaker 1: coach probably in like the nineteen forties, Yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: Hustle on the Celtics, you know, eighteen ninety nine Rutgers
Speaker 1: like he was the court, he was the half back, quarterback,
Speaker 1: defensive end and coach or something like that. Who's your guy, Nate,
Speaker 1: Who you gotta keep? The reason I want to keep
Speaker 1: this guy because I still don't know who he is.
Speaker 1: It's Blake Jardan, I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know who he is, but I would like to find out.
Speaker 1: And we cannot. We cannot keep losing tight ends, and
Speaker 1: and that that position is not prosperous for us. That
Speaker 1: used to be a killer position when when our guy
Speaker 1: was uh uh five years younger that that was a
Speaker 1: gimme almost a thousand yards team ten touchdown. This disposition
Speaker 1: is suffering, whether we want to agree with it or not.
Speaker 1: And I once I get past Blake Jarred, I'm going
Speaker 1: with this man, you better keep one of these corners
Speaker 1: and preferred to the one that we think we're gonna
Speaker 1: get man, because if you deplete your backfield, what in
Speaker 1: the world are we gonna do? Byron Jones doesn't have picks,
Speaker 1: but he's the most he's the most consistent corner you got,
Speaker 1: you better do something. I'm d I will gladly. The
Speaker 1: man didn't have an off season or a training camp.
Speaker 1: He wasn't perfect, he didn't he's not gonna be all
Speaker 1: pro like he was last year, but he was solid
Speaker 1: and didn't have an off season to get himself right.
Speaker 1: I think that's really impressive. And guys don't throw at
Speaker 1: him as much. That's part of it too. They stay
Speaker 1: away from some of you. They don't test him all
Speaker 1: that much game the game. We're not saying that this
Speaker 1: kid is great, but if you don't think that this
Speaker 1: kid is good or solid, what the other side show
Speaker 1: ain't proved to be and I don't. And I love Cheeto.
Speaker 1: He came out as a playmaker, Cheeto Woozia came to
Speaker 1: college as a playmaker? Is it him? Are the coaching good? Question? So? Wow? Hey,
Speaker 1: but it's money too. I mean we just talked Dakamari Byron.
Speaker 1: At some point, you know who's who gets lost? Man?
Speaker 1: Tag is nice? Yeah, that's what the tag is there?
Speaker 1: Fun man, I'll tell you. I'll say this though, And
Speaker 1: you know, I get anybody that wants to be glass
Speaker 1: half empty. I get it. It was a disappointing season,
Speaker 1: but it was a coaching change that saved Byron Jones' career. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna close the book on Cheeto Xavier Woods.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, both of those guys probably didn't
Speaker 1: live up to the preseason hype. But they're under contract.
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna change the coaching staff, which I
Speaker 1: still think is likely, who knows? So can we all
Speaker 1: agree to disagree? Or where we're at with Jason too
Speaker 1: far and undecided's over here, right, I'll tell you right now,
Speaker 1: even if he comes back, it won't be tomorrow. Well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna drag this thing out for a little while.
Speaker 1: But I'm not say if we get an announcement this week, great,
Speaker 1: but I'm not holding my Let me ask you if
Speaker 1: they if they do call a press conference, is that
Speaker 1: is that announcing that he's coming back? Is that? Is
Speaker 1: it a is it a we moved in a different direction?
Speaker 1: Or is it just a endo the year recap like
Speaker 1: we always have but we haven't had yet this There
Speaker 1: is no way in hell they're gonna do an end
Speaker 1: of the year recap and talk about it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: hard to see, Okay, So that they're talking about the pressure,
Speaker 1: y'all know how these press conference announcements come down to us.
Speaker 1: It's we're sitting here, everybody's about to leave, and then
Speaker 1: PR walks by and says we're having a press conference
Speaker 1: at four and it's three twenty, and then we all
Speaker 1: scramble and try to figure it out. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you were going to do an end of the year, okay,
Speaker 1: that's the game, So that that would have been. So
Speaker 1: if there is a press conference announcement, just so the
Speaker 1: fans know, what, what what's your money on? Is it
Speaker 1: he's coming back or we've moved on? They're not gonna
Speaker 1: have a press conference to say that the day's moved on.
Speaker 1: I could see. I could see a situation where Jerry
Speaker 1: and Stephen hold a press conference to Native's actually calling
Speaker 1: Jane on her right, she's right outside. Dave Campo did
Speaker 1: that right? Didn't they have a press conference when Camp's
Speaker 1: left you? It's I wouldn't hear, but I think it happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, David. I can't see them doing
Speaker 1: a press conference that they announced their parting ways. Maybe
Speaker 1: they do a press conference where Jerry and Stephen recapped
Speaker 1: the season and and talk about why they parted ways.
Speaker 1: But man, I don't know, all right, So I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'll say, Like, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's coming back. I don't know why it takes
Speaker 1: sixteen meetings to figure that out. I was with you
Speaker 1: until Monday, and I smooth taught myself r I didn't
Speaker 1: do this, doesn't make this way. I'm gonna put my
Speaker 1: feet up on the desk and when they tell me,
Speaker 1: they tell me, I'm I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: find out. This was fun, Rob, Thanks for hanging out
Speaker 1: with each other day. You guys good I can't reach you.
Speaker 1: I got short arms. Good to get the band back
Speaker 1: together for show day, wowny as always. It was awesome
Speaker 1: that we will be back. I guess next week at
Speaker 1: eleven am. We don't know what show is, what day.
Speaker 1: We don't know anything. We don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Hopefully our keys work tomorrow when we get to work.
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