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Please keep in mind 19 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: that all of my guests are nonness, so list again 20 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: this week's episode. So I am super excited about speaking 21 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: to my guests tonight. My guest is an internationally known 22 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: motivational and inspirational speaker, trainer, consultant, a certified team and 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: family life coach. Her mission for over thirty years has 24 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: been to invest hope, courage, and endurance in the lives 25 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: of our audiences. She is the president the president of 26 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: the Speaks, a life investment company that brings messages of hope, 27 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: inspiration and empowerment to the lies of youth, families, communities, 28 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: and those in the workplace. And most importantly, she is 29 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: a mother to Lynn and Jay Bias. So to my guests, 30 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: how are you doing. I'm doing wonderful this evening. Thank 31 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: you for asking, of course, thank you for being a 32 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: part of the PhD podcast. Well, it's an honor and 33 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: the privilege to have an opportunity to um be interviewed 34 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: on these new platforms. For me, I am older, so 35 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: covid has thrown everything into another space and you younger 36 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: women are getting me used to being on these platforms. 37 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: So it's an on an a privilege for me. Yes, 38 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: when I was on my research, I saw you all 39 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: over YouTube. You have a podcast. I said, okay, now, wow, 40 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: I do what I can. I do what I can 41 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: in the doors that and for me to have an 42 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: opportunity to share messages of encouragement and resilience and pressing 43 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: through pain to power those types of messages. And we're 44 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: in such difficult um times today. Uh, everyone is trying 45 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: to keep from raveling the pieces. You know, it's so 46 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: much going on and in the news, it's always one 47 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: thing after another and you don't know whether you're going 48 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: or coming, And me coming through the depths of my 49 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: two sons, as you mentioned earlier, God has given me 50 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the strength and the faith to move forward to encourage 51 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: other people. Well, I feel like a lot of my 52 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: God friends are like really super excited to hear this 53 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: interview because they want to know so much about your 54 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: son's Linda Jay, especially Limb, being that he was one 55 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: of the greatest basketball players ever. But I thought that 56 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: it was important to also know more about you. Yes, 57 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I I love your message in 58 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: terms of bringing anonymous Afro American um black females on 59 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: your program, and I was excited about about that curve 60 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: that you take in terms of your interviews. So it's 61 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: an honor. As I said earlier, oh thank you. I mean, 62 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure everybody know who you are I don't know. 63 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I watched like ten of your 64 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: interviews and I was just very inspired by you. And 65 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: I know that you hear this all the time, but 66 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: to me, you are really like a national treasure. Wow. 67 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I loved on your 68 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: motivational speeches is when you talked about the four things 69 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: you learned about the life that limits will give you, okay, 70 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: the four things in life that lemons will give you. Okay. Um. 71 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: I have to think, I really have to think you're 72 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: you're speaking of lemons lemonade. Mm hmm. One of it 73 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: was you were saying, how how at first we think 74 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: we want to says of a good life? Oh oh yes, yes. Um. 75 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: The first thing is I might throw back, yes, um 76 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: on what one of the ways that I give my 77 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: introduction of myself is I um give a little testimony 78 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 1: in terms of how the Bias family. What I learned, 79 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: what I learned about life, and that is that we 80 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: are all in the time of the good life. And 81 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: when we're in the good life, we think that everything 82 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: should be well. But what I learned is that they're 83 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: levels in the good life that still should be grateful 84 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: for because when you're in the good life, you don't 85 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: realize that even when everything isn't going the way you 86 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: wanted to go, you don't realize that you were in 87 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: the good life until the second thing comes, and that's 88 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: the nightmare. And the nightmare is where you can breathe. 89 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: You can't think, you you can't imagine, um, how did 90 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: this happen to me? And just looking at our current events, 91 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: when we look at Miami, Florida with the collapse of 92 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: the condo, all of a sudden, people were doing life 93 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: and then the nightmare comes, and that's where the unthinkable happens. 94 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: And you you keep trying to wake up from this dream. 95 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: You keep shaking yourself and shaking yourself, but the dream 96 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: continues on. So what I like to share are in 97 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: terms of taking life's lemons and make lemonade, is that 98 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: we all have lemons in our lives. We have things 99 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: that we don't like, but those lemons if you use 100 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: them in the right way. I was on an interview 101 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: with someone earlier and they gave the analogy that when 102 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: years ago the lemons and I'm sorry, um, the lemon 103 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: and the sugar go together used to be a remedy 104 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: years ago when people weren't feeling well or like me, 105 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: when they have a call for something like that. So 106 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the lemon and the sugar goes together. And that's the 107 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: balance that is in life. And we think sometimes today 108 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: that there is a place that we can find in 109 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: life where I won't have to deal with anything. These 110 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: challenges won't happen to me. I can void the pitfalls 111 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: that that people are going through. But the reality is 112 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: is that life will find you. You cannot hide from life. 113 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: Money can't do it, position can't do it. Life will 114 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: catch up with you. Now it may not be publicly 115 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: like it was with me, but um in the depths 116 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: of my two sons. But life will catch up with 117 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: you and other areas of your life that you're dealing with. 118 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: So we have the good life, we have the nightmare. 119 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: And the fourth point is life after death, And and 120 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: life after death means that how do I gather the 121 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: pieces together? My God, how do I start over? How 122 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: do I even get my mind in a place where 123 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: where I can think to move on? How How can 124 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: I do that? And and then when when some people 125 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: like to rush the process, Oh no, I can get 126 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: over this. I can keep it moving. But as I 127 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: said earlier, if you don't deal with life, life will 128 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: deal with you. And it takes the time that it 129 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: takes to go through these processes that are required for 130 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: us to rebuild and refocus and reset and move on. 131 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: And the fourth and final point is UM. I think 132 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: it is is that the best is yet to come. 133 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: And I can remember being a woman of faith when 134 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: I prayed and prayed and ask God, Uh, what happened 135 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: to my life? I thought the best was yet to come, 136 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: and I heard, Yes, the best is yet to come. 137 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: And here I am thirty five years later, speaking on 138 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: your platform, encouraging other people. So so many times in 139 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: life we look at the fruit of the marketable, the 140 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: things that you can see, the substances money, things, stuff. 141 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: But our reality is in life what I have learned, 142 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: the best is yet to come in the non marketable, 143 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: the things that money cannot buy that are within all 144 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: of us. I just think that UM, peace and love 145 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: and joy and courage and perseverance and confidence, persistence, all 146 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: of these are non marketable UM tools that we have 147 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: within us to help us through. And some of the 148 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: lemons that life presents are there to stir up the 149 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: gifts within us, to uncover those gifts, to move on 150 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: not by yourself, but with strong support systems like plat 151 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: forms of your own mm hmm, yeah, I really love that, 152 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: especially the last part. The best is yet to come. Yes, 153 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: we have to understand that um with life. We have 154 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: to understand that life has seasons and and some of 155 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: us are just like the people down in Florida. They 156 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: they are in a winter season and and we we 157 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: are looking at Florida, but people are going through a 158 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: trauma throughout the country right now, I mean everywhere, not 159 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: one uh particular big event that is being magnified through 160 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: the media, but people are going through their own personal 161 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: um traumas every day. And we we have to understand 162 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: that everybody is going to have a winter season. Win 163 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: her is where you ache and you hurt and you 164 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: cry and you want to know what has happened to you. 165 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: But when we look at the seasons, we start with summer. 166 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: We wanted to be summertime for the people that love summer. 167 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: We don't want daylight savings time to come, I mean 168 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: to end. We wanted to stay nice and warm and 169 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: long days and at the beach having a good time. 170 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: But life isn't like that. This season will end. And 171 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: then you have people that are in summer where things 172 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: are going pretty good. And then you have people who 173 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: are in the season of fall, and that's where you 174 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: reminisce about how good the summer was. And then you 175 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: have the season of winter. And winter is where your 176 00:12:53,720 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: disappointments come in um, grief, hopelessness, I mean, trauma, you 177 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: name it. You don't even think you can breathe the game. 178 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: But our winter seasons comes to prepare us for the 179 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: next season, which is spring. And spring always means new beginnings. 180 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: But where we get confused is where there is winter 181 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: in one area of our life, we will make our 182 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: whole life winter where everything is hopeless. I I just 183 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: can't see anything but darkness. But in reality, there are 184 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: other places in our life where it's still summer, where 185 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: it's still fall and it's still spring. And if we 186 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: can identify those other areas in our life where we 187 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: have hope, because hope is not extinct, it will help 188 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: us get through our winter season. HM. When it comes 189 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: to drugs, do you think that our community he takes 190 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: prevention seriously? Absolutely not. And it's not our community, it's 191 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: the nation as a whole. Um Lendon has been dead 192 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: thirty five years, and our problems that we have within 193 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: the United States of America have quad trupleed. I believe 194 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: in of substance abuse, and if if you have no prevention, 195 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: no real intervention, then there's gonna continue to be a 196 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: multiplication of the same behaviors and conducts because the generation 197 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: before won't teach the generation that's behind. M hmm. And 198 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: I also read that you consulted with at least three 199 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: presidents on the national drug policy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 200 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: that was Bill Clinton, Al Gore and the governor, um, 201 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: the governor of Maryland, Glenn Denning. And um that was 202 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: back in that was almost twenty years ago. I did 203 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: my homework on you. Well, it was a marvelous platform. 204 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: And to be sitting next to the president, in between 205 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: the president and the Vice President at that particular conference, 206 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: and to actually be asked questions, UM my thoughts concerning 207 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: um substance abuse, it was really a privilege. It was 208 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: an honor and a privilege. So I like to stop 209 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: in the beginning because I love the story she told 210 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: about your childhood. So how is your upbringing? Uh, average family, 211 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: average family in terms of my mom and my dad. 212 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: My dad um where he was worked every day, went 213 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: to work. My mother was a stay at home mom 214 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: for years and years, and then as we got older, 215 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: she went back to work. She returned to work, and 216 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: we were just average, having brothers and sisters and just 217 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: moving on. We just had an average childhood. Yes I was, yes, 218 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: I am, Yes, I am. What don't you want to 219 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: live with? You were growing up? Because I feel like, 220 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: did you say you want to be a teacher. Well, 221 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: I thought I would be a teacher because of the 222 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: burning desire that was in me to teach. As I 223 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I was a As I mentioned earlier, I 224 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: am a woman of faith, of born again believer, and 225 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I always thought that I would teach Sunday school or 226 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: some little class something with children. I had no idea 227 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: the magnitude of UM what it would be. I had 228 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: no idea until UM. After Len's death, I was at 229 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: UM the university. They were doing a memorial service there 230 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: and the parents, the mothers of the other playists, presented 231 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: me with roses at that memorial service. UM, I guess 232 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: I gave my first public presentation and as a result 233 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: of that, UM I don't know if you've ever heard 234 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: of Pat Robinson of the Christian Christian broadcasting work. He 235 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: invited me down for an interview because people couldn't believe 236 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: the strength that I had, and I kept talking about 237 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: God and how God had given me strength, and it 238 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: took off from there. I never did another thing. People 239 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: began to ask me to speak, and I've been doing 240 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: it now for over you know, Sinceland's death, which last week. 241 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: Week before last, it was yeah yeah. And then for 242 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: the Bias family, there are four things that happened every 243 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: year regardless, and June nineteenth is the celebration of Len's death. 244 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: June is the birthday of my second son, it was murdered. 245 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: Father's Day is always in that week, and the NBA 246 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: draft Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But 247 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: because of my faith and my strength and God, I'm 248 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: able to do things that would be absolutely impossible. What 249 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: I know, um so clearly is that if if God 250 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: moved his hand from me, I would be cuckoo. I 251 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: would be just like everyone thinks that I should be. 252 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: But I know and believe that a mission was birthed 253 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: out of this for me to encourage people. And I 254 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes as people, not only Afro American people, we 255 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: become so offended by the atrocities that we have endure 256 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: personally that we we have such an um and often 257 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: we are so offensive mind that I'm sorry. We we 258 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: are so offended by what we have had to deal 259 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: with that we don't see the beauty in showing people 260 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: your wounds. We take these atrocities and say, what happened 261 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: in my life, I don't care about anyone else. And 262 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest with you, if God had um 263 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: to me and said, UM, I have something that I 264 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: want to UM, I'm gonna share with you. You're gonna 265 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: lose two sons, but you're gonna help a lot of people, 266 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: I would have said, get yourself another girl, not the kid. No, 267 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: uh no, I'm not giving up anything. So what I 268 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: have learned is is that in so many cases, um, 269 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: that people have gone through tragedies. I mean, I just 270 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: can't imagine. UM, if I could share this one story 271 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: that just came on the news last night, and even 272 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: though I buried two sons and God has strengthened me, 273 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: but it may have hit the national news where this 274 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: Afro American mother from Texas took her son to the 275 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: Naval Academy here in Annapolis because he was going to 276 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: attend there this year, and so she took him to 277 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: the academy, went back to her hotel and was sitting 278 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: on the balcony and gunfire broke out and she was 279 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: shot and killed sitting on her balcony, fifty seven years old, 280 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: bringing her baby to be And listen, can you imagine 281 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: they're going through right now? And that's what I meant 282 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: by some personal tragedies that people are enduring that do 283 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: not make the everyday news, you know what I mean, 284 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: the national news that is so. But if anyone can 285 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: recover from that to be able to have a voice 286 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: about gun violence and espacially, especially in the Afro American community, 287 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: that would be marvelous. That would be marvelous. If someone could, 288 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, come back the voice and 289 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: talk about our real issues that we have within community. Well, 290 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: I think you do a great job, because I'm telling you, 291 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: I watched a lot of your interviews and you always 292 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: just seen so regal and so like put together and 293 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: just like it's just it's it's a beautiful thing to see. 294 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: And I was even going I had a really hard 295 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: day yesterday. So even watching you and I even see 296 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: a podcast where you spoke about where you got your 297 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: faith from from being a young woman or being a child, 298 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: and now even just restore my faith with certain things. 299 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's it's a wonderful thing. When I 300 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: started the podcast, because people have asked me about my 301 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: strength for so long, I was just gonna say, um, 302 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't saved that God saved the now and saved 303 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: that very simple. But then as I thought about it 304 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: and prayed about it, God showed me no, oh no, 305 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: there were valuable seeds that were sown by your parents 306 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: and elders in the best way that they knew how 307 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: to set a foundation for you. And so we can't. 308 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we can be so critical of um 309 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: adults and and and parents those types of things, but 310 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: sometimes people only know. People do not know any better 311 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: sometimes and they're fighting their own demons and trying to 312 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: learn and still trying to press through to give you 313 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: the best them, even though you know it may not 314 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: look like it at that time. But with length of 315 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: days comes understanding about life and that you take the 316 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: meat and throw the bones away, the part that is valuable. 317 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: You keep that and as we look at life, we 318 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: always and I talk about this when I talk about 319 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: when I speak about grief, is you have to value 320 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: what remains and appreciate what remains after degree, after the grief, 321 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: what remains your family, your loved ones, and your great 322 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: support system, your health, I mean whatever, there is something 323 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: to have gratitude for in your winter season to help 324 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: you to get through um. When while you're going through 325 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: your winter season, there are other things in your life 326 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: that you can value and appreciate and have gratitude for. 327 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: M hmm. Do you feel like God was preparing you 328 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: for this journey all along? And the reason why I 329 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: asked is because I remember you saying how your mom 330 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: was telling you as a kid how God was going 331 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: to destro the world. I I think, so she dropped 332 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: the valuable seeds. That's why I had to backtrack. I 333 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: was just gonna talk about how I did and what 334 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: I did. But it wasn't that at all. My mother 335 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: told me that when she was um, when I was 336 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: two years old, she used to sit me in the 337 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: choir stand. Why why they did rehearsal. I was sitting 338 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: a little chair and all of those seeds are going in, 339 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: and I would like to encourage parents. Don't be weary 340 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: and doing well and speaking life over your children. I 341 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: don't care what it looks like. Words have power, words power, 342 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: And just to keep encouraging them, correct them because they 343 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: prefer to have comfort rather than correction. But continue to correct, 344 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: but give affirmation of who they are, where they're going, 345 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: and keep sewing those good seeds. So my mother had 346 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: used to tell my brothers and my stories, and one 347 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: day she sat down, I can remember it. She told 348 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: me that the world was going to come to an end. 349 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: God was gonna destroy the earth by fire, and I 350 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: was terrified. I can remember walking home from school in 351 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: the fourth grade, looking up at the at heaven saying, God, 352 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: is this the day that You're going to destroy the world. 353 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: So my destiny, as it says in Jeremiah, God knew 354 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: me before I was in my mother's womb, and knew 355 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: the work that I was going to do. And to 356 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: give me a beautiful husband to partner with me and 357 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: to cover me. Why I go out, Why we team 358 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: up and I go out on the mission field. I 359 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: think that the seeds are so valuable that you plied 360 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: in children. They are so valuable. And if the only 361 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: thing they hear are cuss words, m F this be this, 362 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: You're not nothing, You're not gonna be blah blah blah 363 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: blah blah, negative negative, negative. Well, words are seeds and 364 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: they go in and they will reproduce after their own kind. 365 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: But when you put good in, when you put good in, 366 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: fruit will come forth. And that's one thing that I 367 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: have been delighted about for thirty five years, is because 368 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: there's no word that I have spoken that I felt 369 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: have been insignificant or futile. When I stand before my audiences, 370 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: I stand before my audiences believing that they can do it. 371 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: You can do it. You can do it, but you've 372 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: got to press. The only way you can get oil 373 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: from in all of this to crush it. The only 374 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: way you can get juice from an orange just to 375 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: squeeze it. And the only way you can get fragrance 376 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: from a rose is to crush it. You know, life 377 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: is not a rose garden, and even when you walk 378 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: through a rose garden, there are plenty of thorns on 379 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: the rose bushes. M How long have you your husband 380 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: been married, Because you'll been there for a very long time. Right, 381 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I'll just say over fifty years, isn't it? I hope 382 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: I have that real, for real, for real, for real. 383 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: And what we have to learn about marriages is that 384 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: you have have two individuals coming together and you have 385 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: to work at through the hills and the valleys. And 386 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: the one thing is is that the marriage never goes 387 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: on the table. The issues go on the table. You 388 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Because when we put the issues 389 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: were concerned about on the table, then that leaves we're 390 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: opening up for healing. We want the best. So even 391 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: if your mate is not ready to open up, can 392 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: you endure the patients? Can you build your character? Can 393 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: can you develop patients? Do you really believe in your marriage? 394 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's warfare. It's warfare. And I'm sure if 395 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: my husband was on here he would tell you as well. 396 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: But we have a decent marriage. We're still in love 397 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: with each other. We both have a measure of health 398 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: and strength. We have six beautiful grandchildren, and God is 399 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: great and God is good, and two remaining children all 400 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: the time. And you had altogether you have four kids. 401 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: One was a girl and three boys, right, And my 402 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: daughter had the same thing, one girl and three boys. Yep. 403 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: So when did you notice that Lynn was good at basketball. Well, 404 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: we didn't find that out until he got in middle school. 405 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: Well then it was junior high school and they had 406 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: intramural games, and he took a growing Uh, he just 407 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: shot up all of a sudden, and he he was 408 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: tall and um. He took an interest in basketball in 409 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: in the seventh or eighth grade and usually they had 410 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: theater schools, and a coach from the junior high school 411 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: told the coach of the high school that there's a 412 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: young man he may be interested in coming over who 413 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: could possibly you know, had natural instincts about the game. 414 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And that's that's how it happened. It wasn't 415 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: that we took him to a A U games and 416 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: put him in all kinds of camps. That just sprouted 417 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: up with his height. It just popped up. And I 418 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: know you told a funny story about how he wanted 419 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: you to punch him in the stomach. Yeah, he was 420 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: when he was in college. Um, I want to say 421 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: that it was his um, his senior year in uh college, 422 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: senior or junior year, and he I didn't know what 423 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: a six pack was, but I can you he had 424 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: one and he said, Mom. He lifted his shirt up. 425 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: He said, hit me and my stomach as hard as 426 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: you can. And I said, boy, get out of my face. 427 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: You get none of your stomach. Go ahead, mom, for real, 428 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: for real. So I bawled up my fists and hit 429 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: him in his stomach. And Um, I hit him in 430 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: his stomach and I did, and it felt like a 431 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: brick wall. He and he started laughing. I told you, 432 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: I told you so. And I also think about before 433 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: he died, Like I said, I was a Christian. And 434 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: he came to me and talking about this song that 435 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: he liked by Um Whitney Houston, The Greatest Love of 436 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: All And he said, Mom, you should listen to it. 437 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: And you know me a holy roller back then I 438 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: don't listen to that kind of music. And Mr Ma, 439 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: you need to hear this song. And after his I 440 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: listened to it. I listened to it. He got it 441 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: for me. I listened to it. I don't know how 442 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: if we were there together, I can't remember, but I 443 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: listened to it. And that song became the anthem for 444 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: my UM presentations. As I began to travel reciting verse 445 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: by verse the Greatest Love of All? What each verse 446 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: meant that's what I used to teach. So before he left, 447 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: he left me, Um, I feel that he left me 448 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: the script to use to help young people. To help 449 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: young people, the script. He gave it to me because 450 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: the greatest love of all is the love that you 451 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: must have for yourself. I agree, mm hmmm. And then 452 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: you also spoke about how I didn't know and one 453 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: of my best friends because he loved Limbis. He didn't 454 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: know um that he was major in interior design and 455 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: he loved poetry. Oh yeah, yeah, he was an artist. 456 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Um Uh someone called us 457 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: recently and came across a picture that he had drawn 458 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: when he was in high school. Uh yeah, and he 459 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: was a poet, he was, he loved interior design. He 460 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: um was very introspective in terms of nature and the 461 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: beauty of things around him. Mm hmm. He would bring 462 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: home a rock and say, mon, isn't this a pretty rock? 463 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: Look at it, isn't it beautiful? And this is when 464 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: he was a young boy. So um, you know, he 465 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: had a lot of gifts and talents and he is 466 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: uh sorely missed, but we we um, we'll never forget him, 467 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: but we live every day anyhow, you know, we keep 468 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: it moving. We keep it moving. But and all of 469 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: his nieces and nephews, because of social media, they go 470 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: on and and they're just like both of them are living. 471 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: They talk about them just like they are living today. 472 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: That's amazing. And I could tell how much how love 473 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about Jay as well because one 474 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: thing I knows, and some of your interviews, I feel 475 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: like a lot of people didn't touch on Ja as much, 476 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's only right that we also 477 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: a lot of people know more about him as well. Yes, 478 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: my precious Jay, my precious precious and um, there are 479 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: so many people that grieve the the death of len 480 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: Bias and I can still be in the presence of 481 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: people that will speak his name and cry tears come 482 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: to their eyes. And with my son Jay, if people 483 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: felt that way, how do you think his brother felt 484 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: and just trying to make it And it was so 485 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: much cruelty and so many things he experienced in life. 486 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: And you know, as sad in our society today, it's escalated, 487 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: but people have become accustomed to being cruel and and 488 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: spreading cruelty, you know what I mean? And Jay thirty 489 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: five years ago experienced it, and we tried and tried 490 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: and tried with him just to keep him comfortable and 491 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: just tried to make it with him. But it was 492 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: a long process and he was still grieving for his 493 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: brother when he died. He was still grieving with for 494 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: his brother. Yeah. I read in one article, and I 495 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: don't want to drop ahead, but I read in one 496 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 1: article how he said like he idolizes Limb with his idol. Yes, 497 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: absolutely was his oldest brother. It was his oldest brother. 498 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,479 Speaker 1: And the fun they used to have together because we're 499 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: very close family, and um, just the things they used 500 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: to do together. I never dreamed that I would have 501 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: to drink from a cup like that. We're going along 502 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: minding our business, raising our children the best we can, 503 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: and then forty two months later you had the same 504 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: old song. And I can remember when I went to 505 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: the hospital when I was called about Jay. Um, I 506 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: asked my daughter. When we went, I went into the 507 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: waiting room of the for the loved one and um 508 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: the family waiting room. UM. I asked my daughter. I said, well, 509 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: how is Jay doing it? She said, mon, Jay is gone. 510 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: Let's say no, you're joking. I uh no, no, no, no, no, no, 511 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: no no. I could not believe it, and I was 512 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: so mad with God and with the world. I locked 513 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: myself in my bedroom for three days. People would bring 514 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: me food or something to drink, and I would take 515 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: the cup and throw it up against the wall. I 516 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: was so angry with God. But his patients indoors forever, 517 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: and he patiently waits on the fruit of the earth. 518 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: And after the third day, I got myself together and 519 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: got up, came out of the room. After I kicked 520 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: the slats out of my crib and got over, I 521 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: was able to get up and move on that God 522 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: is in control, and take up this bit of cup 523 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: and drink it and move on. I wanted here to 524 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: make his um his funeral arrangements with the help of 525 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: other friends and family. Well, I want to revisit that 526 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: because I don't wanna, because I do want to speak 527 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: more to you about Jay, because I did read some 528 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: stories about how it was. I can only imagine difficult 529 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: for him. What was draft night like for you and 530 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: your family? Because Lynn was the second overall pick for 531 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: the NBA Draft and six and he was selected by 532 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: the bosses Celtics. Are you basketball? Oh? Yes, absolutely. I'm 533 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: trying to get out of here today so I can 534 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: get home and look at the game tonight, because um, 535 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: we we follow March Madness, tennis, Wimbledon is on. We 536 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: love tennis, basketball, football, college um and professional basketball and 537 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: football as well. Mum. It's not hard for you to 538 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,959 Speaker 1: watch basketball. No, no, no, no, no no. My entire 539 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: family we enjoy sports. Mm hmm. We will all be 540 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: together and looking at um looking at NBA UM games 541 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: and we have our special players we like and this 542 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: that meather, we enjoy it. It's not hard at all. 543 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: All of this comes as more or less gifts from 544 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: God that you're going to endure. Endurance is the ability 545 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: to withstain, stress and hardship. And like I said earlier, 546 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: you have your winter seasons, but there is still you 547 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: still have to earn honor what remains. And part of 548 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: the honoring is and still enjoying the game. And we do, 549 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: we do. But draft night, um, uh, we were did 550 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: you cook? No, no, we were supposed to go to 551 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: ant and my husband was in New York with the 552 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: land and um they came back home and I was 553 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: not there. I had gone to to a meeting with 554 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: my cousin to talk about a children's program. So I 555 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: spoke to Lynn on the phone, but I never ever 556 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: saw him again until he was on that table the 557 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: next day. Did m in the hospital. But we were 558 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 1: so excited. But for me, it was like, um, there's 559 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: a gold ring right there, but you you're never gonna 560 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: get it. It was always like that for me. It 561 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: was always like that, you can see it, but do 562 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: you have it in your hand yet? Mm hmm. It 563 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: like kind of knew something was a little yes, yes, 564 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: that intuitive nature, just the process of things going down 565 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: and happening. M So. Lynn Bias died June six, two 566 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: days later after being drafted by the Boston Celtics from 567 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: a cocaine over those Were you with your family when 568 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,479 Speaker 1: you received the call? We were home. We were acutely home. 569 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: We received the call that morning early that Lennon was 570 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: sick and um, he had been taken to the hospital, 571 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: and we jumped up and ran to the hospital. We're 572 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what is he doing, what's going on? Yeah, 573 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: And when we got there, you know he had he 574 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: had not been pronounced dead, but later pronounced him dead. 575 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: And later that day a detective came and said that 576 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: he had died of cocaine intoxication. M hm, yes, And 577 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: I know that there are a lot of speculations and 578 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: theories around the death of your son, which other respect 579 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: for you and your family, I don't care to ask, 580 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: but do you think that your son would be allowed 581 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 1: today if he was around different associations? Well, what I 582 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: have learned about life and association is very important, and 583 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: if you have a plan and you have dreams, you 584 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: have to be cognizant who's in your realm of influence. 585 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: And everybody that laughs and grins in your face is 586 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: not your friend. It has never been proven to me 587 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: that that lenn took his own life. It's never been 588 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: proven to me. But the only people that would know 589 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: that are the men that were in the room with 590 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 1: him that night. So um, that's neither here nor there. 591 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: That's just my honest um perspective based on knowing my son, 592 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: not if he were perfect. Like I told anyone, if 593 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: Lennon had a drug problem, I do just like anybody 594 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 1: else would. I would do something in terms of, um, 595 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: getting them help. That's it. That's what I do. Because 596 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 1: nobody is perfect. You know, we're all becoming We're all flawed, 597 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to act like he was perfect 598 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: young man. But um, it has never been proving proven 599 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that he 600 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: took his own life. Did you think that his death 601 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: will have such a huge impact like he did? Is 602 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: still due to this day never ever, never, never, never 603 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: ever name never never. When we had his funeral, we 604 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: had it at our home church, and I just figured 605 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: it would be family people coming. But the line was 606 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 1: four blocks stop going all the way um on a 607 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: major thoroughfare, and another four or five blocks now I'm 608 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: telling you. And we received letters and card We received 609 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: cards from Ronald Reagan who was president, George Bush speak 610 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: at a house, cards, and I could not believe it. 611 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: In what happened with me was I knew him as 612 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: my son. I did not know he was a superstar. 613 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: I did not know. I did not know until his death. 614 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: And I can only imagine how many people stop you 615 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: on a daily basis that tell you because of him, 616 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: they don't um no lover used drugs. Oh yeah, well, 617 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: I I received emails and um texas and every once 618 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: in a while calls or run into people that just 619 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: say I changed my life because of your son. Your 620 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: son did not die in vain as that changed my 621 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: life here at all of the time. Mm hmm. So 622 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier how people treated um Jay once Land 623 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: passed away, because Jay was sixteen when Lymp passed away. 624 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: So how was Jay as a son. We had a 625 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,439 Speaker 1: beautiful family, not perfect. There are one thing that I've 626 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: learned in life. There are no perfect moms, no perfect dad's, 627 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: no perfect children, no perfect families anywhere. The Jones Has 628 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: may look like they have it all together down the street, 629 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: but when you go down there, they're jacked up too. 630 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: So there are no perfect families. But we were an 631 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: average family and we loved each other. My husband was 632 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: a major part in my son's all of my children's 633 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: personal development. He taught them how to play chess, He 634 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 1: wrestled with the boys, he um, He gave them lessons 635 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: of life, and Jay and Lenn would play together. We 636 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: have pictures of them with these little football uniforms on 637 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 1: that they called suicide suicide football because if they got 638 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 1: hit they would be hurt. It wasn't nothing real about it, 639 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: just these little football um these little football uniforms and 640 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 1: they would um be on this is amazing because they 641 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: would take my old tape recorder and play like they 642 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: were Howard co Sal that one would act like he 643 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: was Howard Cosal and the other would act like he 644 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: was Mohammed Ali, answering Um Casal's questions and just the real, 645 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,399 Speaker 1: real fun, very close Fani mind, my daughter and I 646 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: we the family still laughs about some of the things 647 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: that they did, some of the things that they did 648 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 1: as children. And he was amazing, and he enjoyed football, 649 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he enjoyed basketball and um and he was 650 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: the basketball player, absolutely, absolutely, he was an excellent player. 651 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,280 Speaker 1: But just trying to get back on track. Yeah, my god, 652 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: it's it's nothing easy about it. And you know, to 653 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: be absent from the body is to be president. And 654 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: I just believe he and Lena together. When I did 655 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: my research on Ja and how he was murdered, it 656 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: really broke my heart, especially since it was four years later, Yeah, 657 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: forty two months and right before Chris, Yeah, December four 658 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: and I can remember I wasn't going to um have 659 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: a I said, I'm not putting up any Christmas decorations. 660 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to have the coffin opened. I'm not 661 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,359 Speaker 1: going I was just everything. It was me, I'm not 662 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: gonna do and my daughter reminded me, month is still 663 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: Eric and I we have to, you know, because you 664 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: can get so caught up in you and what you 665 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: don't want that, like I just said earlier, that you 666 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: forget about what remains, You forget about the other people. 667 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: You're so caught up in your pain, you know. And 668 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: I did go ahead with the help of some friends 669 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: and put a Christmas tree up and put a re 670 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 1: found the door, and we did have an open um 671 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 1: and open uh viewing at Jay's funeral. But I don't 672 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: know how many of your listeners, maybe Christians or not, 673 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: but at Jay's funeral, seven hundred and ninety people gave 674 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: their life to Christ. Oh wow. Yeah, So he was 675 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: a seed life land that went down into the ground 676 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: to bring forth life. I believe that. Mm hmmm. Do 677 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 1: you mind speaking a little bit about the day. But 678 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: those who don't know about what happened to Jay, you'll 679 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 1: have to go into all details. But oh well, Jay, 680 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: his boss and another coworker, they worked at a local bank. 681 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,280 Speaker 1: They had gone to lunch. It was they were looking 682 00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: for um Christmas gifts just at a local mall. And 683 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,719 Speaker 1: it's apparently Jay walked into a store and a man 684 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 1: and a lady were having some type of disagreement. Later 685 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: to find out their husband and wife. And uh the 686 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 1: person from my understanding UM asked Jay, what are you 687 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: looking at? And um one word led to another, and 688 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,279 Speaker 1: my son's boss said, come on, let's get out of here, 689 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: and UM they left, and the individual that he was 690 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: arguing with, there were two men in a car pulled 691 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,880 Speaker 1: up beside the vehicle as they were heading back to 692 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:48,760 Speaker 1: work and fired UM ten shots from an automatic weapon, 693 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,239 Speaker 1: two of the bullet striking Jay in his back, killing him. 694 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: But the miracle is the other men weren't touched at all. 695 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. What the you have to do to begin 696 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: your journey of healing and forgiveness because that's like a 697 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: lot and this is the things that we do know. 698 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,839 Speaker 1: So I can only imagine that days that people don't 699 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,439 Speaker 1: know that your family went through behind closed doors. Well, 700 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: I can't speak for my whole family. I can speak 701 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: for me as the result of my strength. Um it 702 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 1: it's helped my family along, you know what I mean? 703 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,760 Speaker 1: But I can't say where everyone is though we're all 704 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: continuing on on our journey. But I tell you an 705 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: incident that happened, and I can only give all honor 706 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: and glory to God. And that's why I know this 707 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 1: mission I was called for, because it's no way you 708 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: can get up and just say you're gonna go save 709 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:53,240 Speaker 1: the world after you have suffered one atrocity behind the other. 710 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 1: You know, it's no way in the world you can 711 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: do it. I mean, what happened to my life, what 712 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: happened to my kids, you know? So I know that 713 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: this was a mission from God. But the forgiveness part, 714 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: I tell just told someone today for Christians that are 715 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: out there, you cannot just forgive people when you have 716 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,319 Speaker 1: been hurt. It takes the power of God through the 717 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 1: Holy Spirit to bring healing in that area. So I'll 718 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: tell you a quick story a couple of them. Years ago, 719 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,840 Speaker 1: I was asked to participate in this event with a 720 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,319 Speaker 1: group of women that I was not familiar with, and um, 721 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 1: one of my colleagues kept saying, I think you need 722 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,879 Speaker 1: to do this. I think you need to do this, 723 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: and I said, well, I wasn't feeling it, But in 724 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 1: my prayer time I heard no go forth, So I 725 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: went ahead and did the program. It was held um 726 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: in a public in a public setting, and as I 727 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,720 Speaker 1: said before, I was not familiar with the other people 728 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 1: that were a part of the team. It was a 729 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 1: Christian woman's event and um so at the conclusion of 730 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: the event, a lady approached me and told me she 731 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:25,319 Speaker 1: enjoyed um uh my presentation. And she proceeded to tell 732 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 1: me that she was the sister of the man that 733 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,799 Speaker 1: murdered my son. And I said, wow, well, how is 734 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,800 Speaker 1: your mother doing? And she said, they're all over there, 735 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 1: and it was a group of family members there, and 736 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,319 Speaker 1: I went over and greeted all of them only by 737 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 1: the power of God. By the power of God. And 738 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,879 Speaker 1: when I went back and shared with one of my girlfriends, 739 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,360 Speaker 1: she said what and what did you do? And I 740 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: told her And I was putting on women events at 741 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 1: that time, and I invited um the mother and a 742 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 1: couple of the other people women that were there to 743 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,760 Speaker 1: come over to come to my event. But the mother 744 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:18,399 Speaker 1: had other challenges and um you know, health challenges, and 745 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: she succumbed to them. But it was our two sons 746 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: that had the beast, you know what I mean, whatever 747 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,280 Speaker 1: it was, you know, God gives you understanding and gives 748 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: you the strength to endure so that you know you 749 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,359 Speaker 1: you're out here and you're putting, you're living what you're 750 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,239 Speaker 1: speaking about. Mm hm. Well, I know you have the 751 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: great to goals. I have too much questions and then 752 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: message because she has to go home to her family, y'all. 753 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 1: That's right. It is one thing you would like for 754 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: a listeners to receive from your family's legacy? What would 755 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: that be? The one legacy? The one thing that I 756 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: would like for them to receive is that life is hard. 757 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 1: It sure is. Life is hard, but it's worth fighting for. 758 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 1: Mm hm. And before we leave, one of my friends 759 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 1: want to know your thoughts on this, your son Lynn 760 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: versus Michael Jordan's. What do you think about the moments 761 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: that Lynn could have been, if not already was at 762 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: that time better than Jordan's and this mother? What do 763 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: you think? Right? No, but what what Jordan's Michael Jordan's 764 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, I mean, he set the 765 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: game at a new level. And that's why you find 766 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: these young guys that are playing ball now so good, 767 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 1: so young, because the bar has been raised and Michael 768 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: Jordan's was one of the main ones to raise the 769 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:20,800 Speaker 1: bar but Lennon was the best all around player. Mhm. 770 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,920 Speaker 1: He could play um, small forward, power ford if he 771 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 1: had to be a center, if he had even if 772 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: he had to be the center, which would happen every 773 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 1: once in a while in college. And then plus he 774 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: had a jumper. He could leap, and he could shoot, 775 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: and he could play defense. So from my perspective, they 776 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,880 Speaker 1: were both excellent. Michael is still enjoying his life here 777 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: in the earth, but Lennon for me, was the best 778 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 1: all around player. I'm like, of course, you don't go 779 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 1: with herself, why don't you act question? Well, I appreciate you. 780 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this would not be the first time 781 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 1: that we would speak, Okay, I would definitely be sharing 782 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 1: your information with my listeners. Like I said, even though 783 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 1: every guest is anonymous, I'm pretty sure people know who 784 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,439 Speaker 1: you are at this point. And however I can help 785 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,959 Speaker 1: you in your podcast or whatever projects you have doing, 786 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,000 Speaker 1: I will gladly be a part of it. Gladio sis 787 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,400 Speaker 1: you with it. Thank you so much at the name, 788 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,280 Speaker 1: and I'm proud of you. Thank you pushing and doing 789 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 1: the good work. Thank you, thank you, thank you and 790 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: enduring your time with your family and I will talk 791 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:43,120 Speaker 1: to you soon. Thank you, have a good night. I 792 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,800 Speaker 1: was super excited for you all to hear this episode, 793 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,040 Speaker 1: so if you have any comments, questions, concerns, or anything, 794 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: please make sure to email me at hello at the 795 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: PSD podcast dot com. As always, thank you so much 796 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,520 Speaker 1: for your support and until next time, everyone Later,