WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: Are there undiscovered people? 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.040 Hello, Stuff you Should Know, Nation, Stuff you Should Know, 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.639 Army and even casual listeners. Welcome to this week's Saturday 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.360 Stuff you Should Know Select episode. This one's from January 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.440 two thousand and ten. Are There Undiscovered People? And this 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.480 was a great one. Um. I just remember thinking at 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.920 the time, Wow, is it possible that there could be 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.239 people out there in the world that we don't know 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.200 about in this day and age, even in two thousand ten, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.440 not even two thousand eighteen. So it was pretty interesting. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.320 And it's sort of an older one at this point. Uh, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.640 And it's just a super interesting one. Learn all about 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.360 everything we know about whether or not there could be 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.960 undiscovered people in the world. So enjoy. Are There Undiscovered People? 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:55.760 Right now? Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House 0:00:55.800 --> 0:01:04.400 Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.520 I'm Josh Clark with me as always as Charles W. Bryant. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.520 I'm always there for you, Josh, as always, I'm contractually 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:19.040 obligated to do. I know, I know, I know. So Chuck, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.760 you doing are yeah, dude, how are you doing? Pretty good? 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.600 It's Thursday, it's not Friday, but it's a little gray 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.600 out for my taste. Yeah, it's sprinkling, by the way, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.039 I thought it was like pouring rain. Is it sprinkling. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:34.280 It's sprinkling. That's good. So, um, chuck, do you remember 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.840 can we go back a year or so, A two, eight? 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:45.760 How many years after Ghostbusters? Let's see Holen four? And yes, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.640 we do know that there is a twenty four years 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.840 sequel coming by the way, Yes, Ghostbusters three. That's gonna 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.360 be awesome. Should be the entire original cast, believe except 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.920 for Sigourney Weaver, which that's okay. Um, yeah, ghost by 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.880 coming out right? So where are we? So we're we're 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:08.880 twenty four years after Ghostbusters two? And um, the news 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:14.080 cycle had this kind of strange occurrence where a bunch 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.600 of undiscovered human beings were splashed across the front pages 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:23.920 of newspapers everywhere. Yeah, sort of. Yeah, so there's this photo. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.480 There are several photos of these people living in um 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:32.160 primitive huts actually primitive longhouses is what it looks like. Uh. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.079 And they are the it's an aerial photo taken from 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.080 a low flying helicopter, and they are piste. They have 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.000 their like aiming their bows and arrows at the at 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:43.959 the camera. Like see the picture is pretty cool. Yeah, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.480 like get out of here. Um and uh so yeah, 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.560 like this this whole thing made the made the news 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:53.440 cycle and Chuck, I imagine I take from what you 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.160 said before we started recording that you have a tad 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.560 bit of disdain for the let's see journalism that was 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.200 implied to this. Yeah, well, first of all, should we 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.720 go ahead and refute it? Why not? Because they were not, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.760 in fact under undiscovered people. No, and there's actually a huge, 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:16.360 huge distinction between undiscovered people and uncontacted or isolated people, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.720 right right, But you would not know that by reading 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.920 The Independent from London, which I'm disappointed because I like 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.239 that paper. No, I'm sorry, I could care less about 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.800 the Independence, the Guardian. Yeah, you like the Guardian, not 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.080 the Daily manil the Independent. Uh. Here's here's how the 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 article opens up. Beneath the picture of the you know, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:39.880 clearly savage and everything, with the arrow pointing at the helicopter, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.440 three near naked figures are visible in the forest clearing. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.960 Two of them are in their bodies daubed with a 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.080 red dye, and they are aiming their bows at the sky. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.920 A third figure appears to be a woman, her body 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.080 black end and only her pale hands and face, betraying 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:59.400 her natural color. This remarkable photograph is the first proof 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.920 of existing of one of the world's last uncontacted tribes. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.440 So they do say uncontacted. That's good, but not everybody 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.520 did though, sure it's a little overblown. That was a 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.320 fine dramatic reading their chuck. I think the funniest thing 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.000 that would have happened is if he would have shot 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.960 that arrow and it would have somehow disrupted the propeller 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.800 of the helicopter and it would have you know, landed 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.280 safely on the beach for them to be eaten. That 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.039 would have been a nice ending. There are tons of 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.719 rumors of cannibalism about undiscovered people, right um. In this 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.400 specific case, there was a guy named Carlos dos race Moreles. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.440 My Spanish is a little rusty, but I think that's 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.840 about right. Um. And uh he is an Indian expert. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.520 I just made air quotes and these photos were taken 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:49.440 in Brazil, right um. This guy lad the search for 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:54.839 this tribe, right and um as the as I guess 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.880 he kind of watched with horror, hopefully as they were 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.760 described as undiscovered and knowing it or found them before 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.839 He's he came out and was like, wait, wait, now 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.359 I've been following these people for the last twenty years, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.920 so they're not undiscovered. See I thought he that was 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.080 part of the ploy for him. That was he taken 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.640 aback by that, you think, I thought, maybe that's how 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.720 we got the funding to get the research team, by 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.880 saying that either way we'll find out. Well, let's talk 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:23.560 about it. Is it even possible to be undiscovered? Well, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.720 that's what this podcast is about, buddy. And you know what, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.840 it's kind of impossible these days. Yeah. We have things 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.160 like GPS, we have things like heat sensors that can 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.800 be attached to airplanes which you know, body heat sensors. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:41.240 Um there is almost complete and total encroachment and harnessment 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.520 of any square parcel of land on the planet. Yeah, 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:50.160 most everywhere, most, But that doesn't mean that there aren't 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.440 people who are who live outside I guess the French, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:59.880 who live primitively and remain in a I guess primitive state. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.479 These are the uncontacted people. Yeah, isolation that basically they 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.359 first they called them undiscovered, then they say uncontacted, and 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.680 then they finally settle on isolated, which means more than anything, 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.359 is they don't want any part of us. Yeah, and 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.920 that we don't want a part of them because we're 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:21.960 always interested, we are, and usually with um murderous results. Right. Yeah, 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.960 these people have learned the hard way. Um. And some 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.800 of these uncontacted tribes also, we should say, I don't 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.120 even we have no idea what they call themselves. Right, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.600 So there's this, there's a group actually called Survival International, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.599 and they are dedicated to preserving indigenous ways of lives 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:44.520 these tribes, for these for uncontacted tribes who have rejected modernization. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.440 Right indeed, because that's the thing you think about it 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.200 when it's undiscovered or they're uncontacted. You you kind of 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.440 pointed out, we just tend to think like, oh, they 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.720 don't know about civilization or you know, these poor fools 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.680 they don't know about you know, television or running with 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.680 theft auto six. And it would clearly be better off 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.159 if we gave them TV or made them Christians or 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:12.760 or did whatever you know, made them slaves, Yeah, which 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.960 we have a fine, fine tradition of doing. And um 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.240 in this Uh, who's this kid who wrote this? Patrick Kaiger? Yeah, 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.760 never heard of him. I hadn't either, but he's pretty good. Yeah, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.560 he does say that it goes back to Columbus, it 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:28.120 goes well back before that. Um. The Portuguese in particular 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:33.400 love to enslave Africans, and actually African tribes used to 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.040 enslave one another. They had a completely different method in 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:42.200 system of slavery. Uh. Slaves were treated much better among 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:47.440 African tribes, especially West African tribes um so where they 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.560 would eat at the same table as the people that 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.000 own them. And of course the Romans used slaves. The 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.600 jew spent a good portion of their history as slaves 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.440 to the Egyptians. So I mean whenever we come upon 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.360 new people or subjugate them, we we have a history 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.480 of enslaving them. Like yeah, we tend to conquer. Like 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.680 Chris Columbus met the very friendly Arowack people and instead 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.520 of saying, well we can learn from them, he thought 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.000 they would make really good servants rights, how hard working 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.360 they are and they don't even speak English, so who cares? Right? Exactly? Well, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.040 they were also looked upon as savages are less than human, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:27.440 which definitely aided the subjugation of their their I don't know, blood, right, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.400 do you know why? Why? Because back before everything was 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.600 discovered and there was still a lot of undiscovered land 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.480 and they were making maps. The map makers would often 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.160 chart these undiscovered lands as being filled with you know, 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.080 mutant human beings and scary beasts for some reason, like 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.559 here there be monsters because we haven't gotten around the 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.320 mapping this area yet. Just assume that there's some sort 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.640 of water serpent that's going to eat your boat. Yeah, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.280 I guess I don't know why they tended to strike 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.600 fear into people and two explorers instead of saying there 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.040 might be very friendly people, maybe caution fear of the 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:04.440 unknown things. So but Josh, these days, virtually every corner 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.520 of the Earth has been explored, except for obviously parts 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:13.240 of Antarctica. And a map which I had never heard of, 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:18.160 where's in Brazil? And they said that this territory in 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.480 northern Brazil is still unexplored forest. Right, so it's possible 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.240 there are undiscovered people out there. Maybe, right, If there 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.320 are undiscovered people out there, they are in big trouble 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:33.120 because if the uncontacted or isolated people are any indication 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:37.000 in their plight, um, then yeah, any undiscovered people are 0:09:37.480 --> 0:10:11.440 really kind of screwed. Um. You know, we talked about 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:16.000 Chris Columbus and subjugating people. And actually, uh, Columbus is 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.000 quite the little genocidal maniac he was. We covered that 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.360 in one of the other podcasts we did. We did 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.400 um because not only did he enslave them, he killed them, 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.400 had them killed like the entire groups of people are 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.160 assumed to have been wiped out by European colonization, and 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.280 not just through brute force, but this, uh, this type 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.319 of genocide, and especially if you look at a genocide 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.599 as the the by its definition that it's the systematic 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.320 wiping out of a group, right, like a people or 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.440 a population, then it's still continues today as recently as 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.120 the uh the eighties, the nineties in Brazil. Are you 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.480 talking about the microbes or are you talking about outright 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.120 violence violence specifically against the kun Zoo, Yes, Josh, the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.240 akun Zoo, who seemed like a friendly tribe that grew 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.800 corn and hunted and remote Brazil for thousands of years 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.920 until they were discovered and it was discovered that their 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.160 land could be used for soy cultivation and cattle, right 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:21.200 so uh and logging actually right, so the companies put 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.480 in logging roads and into these this virgin territory where 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.400 the kun Zoo lived and they actually came upon them. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:33.200 And it's part of Brazil's constitution that, um, the moment 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.880 you meet an uncontacted tribes person or an undiscovered person, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.319 all work stops. So with the logging companies and the 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:47.800 soybean farming concerns and the cattle ranchers did was higher 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.720 assassins like death squads when they did meet the accun 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.000 suit uh and sent them in and actually massacred them 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.760 with guns. These people used bows and arrows, and these 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.520 guys came in with machine guns and killed all but 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.120 seven of the entire tribe. Yeah, then they fled, sadly 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.280 they fled and and to just last year a newspaper 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.840 reported that there were only five living a koon zoo 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:18.520 in the world and that was that wasn't you know, 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.079 very shameful. Yeah, but they're not, Josh, the most isolated 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.480 tribe according to Survival International, aren't they know? That would 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.000 be the Sentinelies. Have you ever heard of these guys? Now? 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.760 I hadn't, and I saw that video you sent me. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.760 There's a clip on you tube. Yeah, I think what 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.560 did you just search the Centinnalise and came up there 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.599 was a couple of eclips. I think nat g I 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.600 went down there and they did the same thing. They 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:45.040 came out of the jungle onto the beach, and what 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.320 it looked like in the video, or that is their interpretation, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.120 was they were making friendly gestures. UM. I did see 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.040 another one where they had the bow and arrow out 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.680 and um I was laughing that. When I was watching 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.319 it earlier, part of me expected like hippie Rob to 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.360 come out as their leader. Yeah, he's like the god, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.760 He's like Brando and Apocalypse now exactly. Um and the 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.720 sentinels Josh where they They are believed to be descended 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.000 from the very first humans in Africa, and technically we 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.960 all are, but these people are directly descended from the 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.360 first group that migrated out about sixty thousand years ago. Right. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.360 They live on the and Aman Islands the Indian Ocean. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.000 And did you notice how clear that water was and 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.640 how white those beaches were. I wouldn't leave either, dude. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.319 It was gorgeous and it's TV and Xbox when you've 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.160 got that, you know, right, So these people will come 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.520 out of the jungle if you throw coconuts into the 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.960 water at the beach. That's what they were doing, right, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.800 what was it. Yeah, these this group of people were 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.200 sitting there throwing coconuts into the water and the UH 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.720 sentinelales came out and we're like, thanks for the coconuts. Well, 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.200 they probably thought it's raining coconuts from the giant monster. Yeah, 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.800 but they are actually not primitive Stone age folks from 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.760 what they say. Survival International says they're actually do make 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.640 tools and weapons from recovered metal from shipwrecks. Right, pretty cool. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:11.640 They are actually not threatened. They're very isolated and relatively uncontacted. Um, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.920 but they're not threatened. They live on an island that 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.720 no one really has any interest in, right, Yeah, exactly. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.800 But as we saw with the Akunzo though, um, if 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.120 there is money to be made off of the indigenous land, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.520 you're you're in trouble. Soy oil, yeah, cattle. Survival International 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:34.000 actually named all of those oil um farming, cattle and 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:40.040 logging uh as the the dominant threat to uncontacted tribes. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.880 So sad there's supposedly an estimated hundred uncontacted tribes in 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.480 the world. Yeah, I was kind of surprised. That's a lot, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.320 and it's sad that these people are around for sixty 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.400 thou years doing their thing, doing their thing long before us, 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.200 and um, we just come in and say, hey, this 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.000 would make a great soy farm, so I'm going to massacre. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.280 Yeah they heard, they heard about the bail out and 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.320 they're like, we're staying here for us now. So, um, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.160 there's five regions that are under the greatest threat right 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:15.000 now and they're in Brazil, Paraguay, and Peru. And actually 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.200 there's tons of evidence there's groups dedicated like Survival International 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.560 UM and other n g o s. And then there's 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:28.480 actually government ministries set up in Brazil and in Peru 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.960 and I think Paraguay UM that are in charge of 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.120 keeping track of these uncontacted tribes, which is really difficult 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.800 to do. Uh. And a lot of times these uncontacted 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.200 tribes are slivers offshoots of other tribes that have had 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.760 their land disturbed by logging or um mining, oil companies. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.600 So they would join up with another tribe and you know, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.120 they just take off into the forest and no one 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.920 would know how many there were. That kind of thing, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.440 but yeah, they would be living primitively, but they're getting 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.680 pushed for and further out or being massacred, or they're 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.360 coming into contact with disease. Right, Yeah, that's what I'm 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.920 talking about with the microbes. Violence is obviously a big threat, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.000 but they say that a bigger threat are uh these people, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.640 that these tribes that lack communities to these awful diseases 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.080 that that twentieth century man has twenty one century man. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.840 Excuse me, sure it's the future. Yeah, uh yeah, there's 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.520 actually uh that favorite book of mine, Charles C. Man 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.160 talks about how there's an estimated hundred million people living 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:39.280 on in the America's uh in four and then I 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.880 think nine were wiped out by smallpox, thank you, like 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.720 within a few decades. And Josh, it didn't just happen 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.040 way back then, like you said. In the eighties, the 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:55.200 some Christian missionaries made contact with the Zoe tribe in 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.040 Brazil and in pretty short form, forty five members of 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.000 that tribe die from the flu, malaria, and respiratory diseases. 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.720 Just like that. And uh more recently, in nine six, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:13.199 half of the Maroon whoa ma maroona whoa tribe I 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.160 think in Brazil. Uh, they were contacted by illegal loggers 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.280 and half of the tribe was wiped out um from 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.560 respiratory illnesses I think awful. So it's not like to 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.919 bring up one of our favorite movies. Again, it's not 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.320 like bringing orange soda to the Waponi Woo. Joe Versus 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.080 the Volcano. Oh yeah, it's not like that in real life. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.240 I thought you were talking about, um, the gods must 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.919 be crazy. No, another good one though, But it's not 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.800 like the Joe Versus Volcano. It's not all happy, go lucky. 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.720 They usually make contact with them. And even in the 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.600 case of the Christian missionaries who were trying to do 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.320 good I guess, and ended up killing a lot of them, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.840 and the Brazilian government stepped in and actually kicked them out, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.240 the religious group and said, now you gotta get out 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.400 of here. Yeah. And apparently even when the thing is 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.560 when contact is made as safely as possible and there's 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.600 a medic old contingency plan in place, uh, it's expected 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.040 that a lot of the tribes people will die. But 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.800 if there's if it's if they're made through illegal loggers 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.520 or a Christian missionary group that doesn't know what they're doing, 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.560 then uh, yeah, a lot of people die, if not 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.000 the entire group, right, That tribe did recover, though we 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.600 should know, yeah, which is good news to get out 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:50.600 of here Christian missionary so we can live peacefully and helpfully. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.440 So Chuck, is a good to even contact these people? Well, 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.600 it can be good and bad because obviously if you 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.720 make contact and you know a little bit about their way, 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.040 why if you can protect them. But it's also like 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:07.000 this newspaper article, it also opens them up to uh 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.320 being invaded or watched or in this case, what was 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.639 the the tourism trip? Tell him about that? That's awful 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:19.119 savage tourism. Yeah. Actually the guy who Um was responsible 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.200 for leading the expedition that produced those photographs that made 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.879 the paper in two thousand and eight was apparently approached 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.439 by travel agents who wanted him to set up a 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.800 savage tourism trip. Which can't you just see a bunch 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.879 of like fat white Germans and Americans like who I 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.600 want to touch you right now? Your whole tribes wiped 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.240 out And now let's get back on the cruise ship 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.240 and look at the ice sculpture. Like like I said, Um, 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:48.240 the Brazil has it in has mentions uncontacted and undiscovered 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.720 people in its constitution, in large part because that unexplored 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.479 forests in that just that one territory they have a 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.320 real You don't have that in America, Like, we don't 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.480 have to worry about, you know, how to treat undiscovered tribes. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.760 We figured out how to treat the ones we're familiar 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:11.680 with badly enough, right. Um. But so Brazil apparently recognizes that, like, hey, 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.679 this is your land, right and you legally own it. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.520 If you're an uncontacted or isolated tribe, nobody can touch it, 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.600 but then has a really terrible history of following through 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:26.280 on stopping people from going in logging in oil. Peru's 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.960 history is even worse. They have some uncontacted tribes and 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.919 threatened uncontacted tribes, and Peru's president is like, I'm not 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.680 even sure they exist. And by the way, the French 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.720 oil company that's working in this area where they supposedly exist, 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.480 I've now just decreed that their work is a national necessity. 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.320 So when you when you're an uncontacted tribe in your 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.480 butting heads with an oil company, you're gonna lose. But 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:57.600 I will say Paraguay, hats off to Paraguay, because they 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.800 actually the environmental nice chucked just took his head off 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.720 to the environmental ministry provoked the license of a ranching concern. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.879 That was just decimating And I don't mean in the 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.760 literal like removing tem per cent term, right, I mean 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:17.640 like decimating all Latin speakers out there the um the 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:22.880 this land that technically belongs to the indigenous uncontacted tribes there. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.400 So so they booted them out or they just took 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.639 away their permits. They took away their permits, which is 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:31.200 pretty much tantamount to booting them out. Awesome. Yeah, it's 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.600 just so sad that when you know, such a modernist 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:37.440 point of view to see these undiscovered or uncontacted people 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.480 and think that their savages and that their way of 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.920 life is is savage and primitive. It's just they were 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.000 here first. Well, I mean we were were We were 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.680 all here first, we were all here at the same time. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.000 But it's just a complete lack of recognition of other 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.960 people's choices. Yeah, and in respect for other other cultures 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.200 and ways of life. And because again didn't fly around here. 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.119 There's no theft auto in the jungle. No, there's not. 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.359 There's no auto. If you want to learn more about 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.200 people undiscovered or otherwise, you should try typing in people 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.800 in the Andy serge bart how stuff works dot com. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:16.760 It brings up a hidden sub channel. Really yes, uh 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.679 and uh, I guess since I said hidden sub channel, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.920 that means it's time for what Chuck Listener mail, Yes, Josh, 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:24.399 it is. And before we do that, we want to 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:29.080 send a thank you to Dan of the pottery Dan 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:33.560 Dan Made, Dan Made. He has a little uh etsy website, 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.159 Dan Made dot et s y dot com and he 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.399 makes pottery. And he sent us some really awesome coffee mugs. Yes, 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.399 Dan made, very cool muggs. And actually it's my my 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.200 work mug. Now that's what he use. I noticed cool detail. 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.720 You've got an octopus on yours with a pipe smoking 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.120 a pipe. I can't tell what mine is some little dude, 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.480 but it's just got cool details, got swirls in the bottom, 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.600 little intentions, and only some parts of it are glazed 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.640 and others raw. It's really Dan Made knows what he's doing. 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.000 So thanks Dan, and you know what you wanted to 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.040 bring up people who have been sending us little gifts. 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.360 And it's just really nice to come into work and 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.399 have someone you know, uh what was her name that 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.480 sent us the twinkie, the homemade Twinkie the Kid shirts. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.119 I don't remember. Her name was like Kaya or something 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.000 like Kyla. I believe she should write in because I 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.720 told her that I would mention her little website too. Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:22.840 we got Twinkie the Kid t shirts because remember we 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.760 talked about how badly we wanted something. So with that 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:32.639 listener mail, all right, I'm gonna call this, uh, organ 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:37.560 donation details from someone who knows. Uh. Hi, Josh and 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:42.280 Chuckers and Jerry. I'm an anesthesiologist who specializes an organ transplantation, 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.280 specifically livers and kidneys. In fact, we performed a liver 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.240 transplant just last night and I'm home resting after what 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.680 is always an exhausting procedure. Ah, he thought we might 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.000 want a few more details about organ donation. So he 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.560 says this, um, they do not get to meet the 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:02.560 donor and the recipient until after a period of time, 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.800 usually a year, and only after both agreed to meet. 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:07.520 But we also had people that wrote in and said 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.280 they met like weeks later, so it might vary by 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.120 hospital or state. Yeah, I'm not sure, or maybe there's 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.439 just an agreement you go into. But he says they 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:19.560 can trade letters and get very basic, unidentifiable information about 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.000 each other, but it all gets censored by the organ 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.760 procurement organization. This is because of this recipient does not 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.320 live or the organ fails, the recipient or donor won't 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.439 blame the donor or in their families. Also, if the 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.840 organ works, they don't want the parties involved feeling unduly 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.240