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Speaker 1: Hello, Stuff you Should Know, Nation, Stuff you Should Know,

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Speaker 1: Army and even casual listeners. Welcome to this week's Saturday

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know Select episode. This one's from January

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Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. Are There Undiscovered People? And this

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Speaker 1: was a great one. Um. I just remember thinking at

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Speaker 1: the time, Wow, is it possible that there could be

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Speaker 1: people out there in the world that we don't know

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Speaker 1: about in this day and age, even in two thousand ten,

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Speaker 1: not even two thousand eighteen. So it was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: And it's sort of an older one at this point. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And it's just a super interesting one. Learn all about

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Speaker 1: everything we know about whether or not there could be

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Speaker 1: undiscovered people in the world. So enjoy. Are There Undiscovered People?

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Speaker 1: Right now? Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark with me as always as Charles W. Bryant.

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Speaker 1: I'm always there for you, Josh, as always, I'm contractually

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Speaker 1: obligated to do. I know, I know, I know. So Chuck,

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Speaker 1: you doing are yeah, dude, how are you doing? Pretty good?

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, it's not Friday, but it's a little gray

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Speaker 1: out for my taste. Yeah, it's sprinkling, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was like pouring rain. Is it sprinkling.

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Speaker 1: It's sprinkling. That's good. So, um, chuck, do you remember

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Speaker 1: can we go back a year or so, A two, eight?

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Speaker 1: How many years after Ghostbusters? Let's see Holen four? And yes,

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Speaker 1: we do know that there is a twenty four years

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Speaker 1: sequel coming by the way, Yes, Ghostbusters three. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: for Sigourney Weaver, which that's okay. Um, yeah, ghost by

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Speaker 1: coming out right? So where are we? So we're we're

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Speaker 1: twenty four years after Ghostbusters two? And um, the news

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Speaker 1: cycle had this kind of strange occurrence where a bunch

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Speaker 1: of undiscovered human beings were splashed across the front pages

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Speaker 1: of newspapers everywhere. Yeah, sort of. Yeah, so there's this photo.

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Speaker 1: a low flying helicopter, and they are piste. They have

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Speaker 1: the camera. Like see the picture is pretty cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like get out of here. Um and uh so yeah,

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Speaker 1: like this this whole thing made the made the news

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Speaker 1: bit of disdain for the let's see journalism that was

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Speaker 1: implied to this. Yeah, well, first of all, should we

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Speaker 1: go ahead and refute it? Why not? Because they were not,

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Speaker 1: in fact under undiscovered people. No, and there's actually a huge,

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Speaker 1: right right, But you would not know that by reading

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Speaker 1: The Independent from London, which I'm disappointed because I like

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Speaker 1: the Independence, the Guardian. Yeah, you like the Guardian, not

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Speaker 1: the Daily manil the Independent. Uh. Here's here's how the

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Speaker 1: article opens up. Beneath the picture of the you know,

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Speaker 1: of existing of one of the world's last uncontacted tribes.

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Speaker 1: So they do say uncontacted. That's good, but not everybody

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Speaker 1: did though, sure it's a little overblown. That was a

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Speaker 1: fine dramatic reading their chuck. I think the funniest thing

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Speaker 1: Um there is almost complete and total encroachment and harnessment

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Speaker 1: So there's this, there's a group actually called Survival International,

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Speaker 1: very shameful. Yeah, but they're not, Josh, the most isolated

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Speaker 1: tribe according to Survival International, aren't they know? That would

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Speaker 1: He's like Brando and Apocalypse now exactly. Um and the

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