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Speaker 1: In the aftermath of the conviction of Derek Chafin, President

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Speaker 1: and you lead out of office if you've been in

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Speaker 1: those positions. It's so well said. And Senator Mark Begett,

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Speaker 1: strategic consulting advisor at Brownstein Hyatt Farber, and shrek from

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Speaker 1: your lips. We hope that that message gets out there

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Speaker 1: loud and clear. Thank you so much. I am Genie Schanzano,

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Speaker 1: and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg sound On on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. I am Jeanie Schanzano along with fellow Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: political contributor Rick Davis, and really happy to welcome Representative

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Speaker 1: Hayley Stevens, who represents Michigan's eleventh congressional district, and so

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Speaker 1: Representative Stevens, we were just talking about the good news

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Speaker 1: out of the Biden administration today, this sort of report card,

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Speaker 1: if you will, on COVID. But of course your state

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Speaker 1: has been particularly hard hit, so I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: you how what are conditions in the state at this moment,

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Speaker 1: and do you feel like you've hit a plateau and

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Speaker 1: things are getting better? Do I think that we are

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Speaker 1: seeing as light downward trend. But if you would have

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Speaker 1: talked to me a couple of weeks ago, I would

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Speaker 1: have said that what we are experiencing a Michigan and

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Speaker 1: still even right now, what we're experiencing is very alarming. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a total flouting of public health guidelines. Particular is

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Speaker 1: a mask wearing and social distancing and in person activities

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Speaker 1: and events. We saw a lot of spread as somewhat

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Speaker 1: unintentionally occur in younger people. On talking high school students

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Speaker 1: who didn't show symptoms and then spread it to their parents.

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Speaker 1: So we're vaccinating, We're at a good rate. We're at

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Speaker 1: about of those sixteen and up who are vaccinated. Great

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Speaker 1: place to be, but still a long way to go.

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Stevens, I wanted to follow up on that vaccination

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Speaker 1: strategy that Michigan has and asked you if the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration's plans to promote paid COVID leave for people to

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Speaker 1: make it easier for working people to take time off

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Speaker 1: to get vaccinated, what kind of impact that might have

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Speaker 1: and what are the prospects for passage. Well, I was

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Speaker 1: his appointment, means the UH had the company. He's eager

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Speaker 1: to get his whole UH workforce vaccinated. He said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'd bring you know, a mobile site over here. And

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Speaker 1: it's not as easy because of the workforce that goes

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Speaker 1: ease of getting shots in people's arms and encouraging them

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Speaker 1: eager to reward people for getting those shots and giving

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Speaker 1: them the flexibility. And we certainly don't want to see

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Speaker 1: anyone who's you know, working that more than forty hours

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Speaker 1: a week a lot of times. Right in today's age

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Speaker 1: where even in Michigan we've got a nine dollar minimum

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Speaker 1: wage and yet just a little bit above nine dollars,

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Speaker 1: and yet you know, we're trying to get higher than that.

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Speaker 1: And so people are working two jobs and then they're

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Speaker 1: taking care of things at home. So getting them and

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Speaker 1: getting their employers into the space where people can actually

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Speaker 1: get the vaccines is great, and people like that. Paid

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Speaker 1: family leave it's not just the obviously the workforce, but

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Speaker 1: it's also the small businesses. And we saw that from

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Speaker 1: our first round of coronavirus relief in the Cares Act.

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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of that's really promising. It's

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Speaker 1: burdens cost, burdens off our our employers, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: safe life, right, it gets people vaccinated and Representative Stevens

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Speaker 1: um such an important day tomorrow, and I know something

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Speaker 1: that you care about, which is Earth Day, and we

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Speaker 1: have President Biden bringing together so many world leaders and

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Speaker 1: executives and union heads for this virtual summit. You're on

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Speaker 1: the Education Labor Committee and also Science, Space and Technology.

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Speaker 1: What are you hoping the Biden administration has to offer?

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Speaker 1: And we're hearing that they may be offering some ambitious

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Speaker 1: What are you hoping to hear? And we should note

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Speaker 1: that obviously from Michigan, you've also been intimately involved with

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Speaker 1: about what you expect for tomorrow? Sure, an Earth Day

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Speaker 1: is really traditionally been a day of an engagement, right,

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Speaker 1: Uh that it's an engagement step up and support science

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Speaker 1: ways to recycle and support sustainability efforts, waits for communities

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Speaker 1: to come together. Look, I'm always optimistic about what's coming

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Speaker 1: know where at the moment of racketing when it comes

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Speaker 1: to climate change, in the overall stewardship of our planet

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Speaker 1: know that. Even if it's not you know, yeah, even

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Speaker 1: if day you know, every day, you know, our automakers

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Speaker 1: all electric future. And we're a lot of the companies

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Speaker 1: in my district, which is the largest concentration of automotive

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Speaker 1: supplier workforce and a full country. You know, they're humming

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Speaker 1: to that beat. They want to go there, and we've

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Speaker 1: got to talk about that with agriculture and the meat

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Speaker 1: and a SHAREE and aerospace and not in a way

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Speaker 1: that the scares people but also enclosed that. But I

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Speaker 1: would really say, you know, something that I've honed in

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Speaker 1: economy and developing supply chains and pipeline for materials that

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Speaker 1: we treat a single use. Plastics comes to mind, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, just throughout your plastic cutlery when really there

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Speaker 1: been on the consumer. When this, you know, when Earth

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Speaker 1: Day came about and we started promoting rigorously recycling endeavors,

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Speaker 1: we you know, put put it on the individual responsibility. Well,

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Speaker 1: the back end is what's missing here. There's no sellars

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Speaker 1: are municipalities are just sitting with tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: recycled goods, not just plastics all the time, papers another one,

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Speaker 1: you know, aluminum we somewhat figured out better than others.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm also and I'll give you guys a preview,

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Speaker 1: I'm introducing a deal tomorrow on plastics solution as part

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Speaker 1: of the co ch here of the House Plastic Solutions

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Speaker 1: Task Force. And this is really an all of government

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Speaker 1: approach to advance and awaken a supply chain and technology

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Speaker 1: opportunities so we can reclaim a part of this sillion

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Speaker 1: dollar industry that's been sitting over in China for you know,

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Speaker 1: the past twenty years. Congresswoman, I want to give you

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Speaker 1: a shout out for that. I used to own one

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Speaker 1: of the country's largest recycling businesses, and you need to

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Speaker 1: have the technology of all these various companies to come

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Speaker 1: together and find ways to recycle and and and and

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Speaker 1: actually repurpose. This commodity basket full of recyclable goods and

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Speaker 1: plastics is a great example. So kudos to you for

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Speaker 1: putting a lot of light on it, because gone are

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Speaker 1: the days of sending our recyclable material off to China

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Speaker 1: so that they can burn it for power. It's just, uh,

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Speaker 1: actually not a very virtual cycle. But Jennie mentioned Biden

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Speaker 1: administration really looking to make a big impact with this

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Speaker 1: climate Summing coming up, and they're talking about doubling Obama's

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Speaker 1: pledge on on greenhouse gas emissions, and I was curious.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even though Michigan is looking like it's becoming green.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the GM announcement on going on all electric future. Um,

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Speaker 1: what kind of businesses might be impacted in Michigan. You

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Speaker 1: have a lot of manufacturing. If if there is a

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Speaker 1: significant reduction towards greenhouse gases by well, look if this

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Speaker 1: pandemic taught us anything, Big transformations usually don't just happen

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Speaker 1: with the switch of a light. You know, you can

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Speaker 1: set the big targets and and obviously work across a

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Speaker 1: multitude of industries to work to meet them, you know,

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Speaker 1: listening to the U A W for instance, and the

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Speaker 1: workforce and also the consumers themselves. And and I asked

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Speaker 1: that of the companies because obviously they're going to be

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Speaker 1: customer driven and they're investing a lot in the R

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Speaker 1: and D in the technology transfer. But if you look

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Speaker 1: at the diesel fuel engine jobs that you know, the

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Speaker 1: the the combustion engine jobs in this country, you know,

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Speaker 1: in both those areas where they're you know, relying on

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Speaker 1: run the engine. It's it's a lot of jobs. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot of jobs. And so how do you equate,

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Speaker 1: how do you transition over? How do you transfer? Does

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Speaker 1: of a sudden people are left without jobs? It can't

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Speaker 1: go love them, it's not gonna go like that. It's

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen like that. You know, we we very well,

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Speaker 1: for the rest of our lives could see the combustion

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Speaker 1: engine in some capacity being on the road or in

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Speaker 1: certain types of rollways. And I don't say that because

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can hit these emission goals. I

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Speaker 1: just think when you look at big cultures and large cultures,

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Speaker 1: I mean, tech go down the queue, But what what

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Speaker 1: your mod the cars are they driving down there? Now

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Speaker 1: that's a yeah, right, I mean everyone goes to golf

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Speaker 1: at the vintage cars. That's not us. But on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, think about that. So in Michigan, you drive

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Speaker 1: through the Woodward Avenue, you drive down Woodward Avenue and

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Speaker 1: you've got classic cars. People, this is a long time tradition.

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Speaker 1: Drive your classic car out. You know, people give you away.

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Speaker 1: It's really exciting to see people driving their old models.

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Speaker 1: Are they also not going to be allowed to drive them?

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Speaker 1: You know, I was I worked in the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: on the US Auto Rescue. I was there for cash

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Speaker 1: for clunkers when we traded in you know, the the

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Speaker 1: the high MPG for the you know, trying to lower

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Speaker 1: the emissions with was the MPG that was coming down.

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Speaker 1: But it's the the reality is, you know, is that

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Speaker 1: not everyone did that right, and so these we've got

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Speaker 1: to set realistic benchmarks and goals and and and guide

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Speaker 1: people along with them, guide populations. And my golly, you

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Speaker 1: better have the voice industry at the table, and not

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Speaker 1: just the big three. But I'm talking all the suppliers.

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Speaker 1: And I spent I do this. I go every week

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Speaker 1: and sit down with the small to mead sized manufacturer,

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Speaker 1: partly because I get to gneet out with what they're making,

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Speaker 1: but I also did to hear and and they're readying

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Speaker 1: for this transition. You know, they're not blind to it.

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Speaker 1: The suppliers are embracing electric, they're they're diversifying into that. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I could turn your show into my soapbox, but we

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Speaker 1: we love it. Representative Steven's, we we love it, love

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Speaker 1: hearing all of these ideas. And the Big Climate Summit

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Speaker 1: is tomorrow. So I want to thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for talking with us today. That's Representative Steven's from Michigan's

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Speaker 1: eleventh district, as well as Mark Begette and of course

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Speaker 1: Rick Davis Bloomberg political contributor. I am Jeanie Schanze, No,

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Speaker 1: and this is Bloomberg