WEBVTT - Tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>Ephemeral is production of My Heart three d Audi album

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<v Speaker 1>for Felix Vasure. Listen with that phones. The art of

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<v Speaker 1>body decoration is as old as it is eye catching,

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<v Speaker 1>and few of those decorative practices are as ancient and

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<v Speaker 1>popular as tattooing. Today. Tattoos are everywhere. You can go

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<v Speaker 1>into a shop ask for almost anything a symbol, quote, photo,

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<v Speaker 1>realistic image, and an artist will almost certainly be able

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<v Speaker 1>to a fix that image to your body. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>poignant and permanent way to express oneself. To some extent,

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<v Speaker 1>that fact has been true since the beginning of humankind.

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<v Speaker 1>From then to now, tattoos have always told a story,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes the story of one person, other times the story

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<v Speaker 1>of an entire people. Today, a thermal producer, Trevor Young

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<v Speaker 1>takes us through the rich history of tattoos, starting by

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<v Speaker 1>getting a tattoo himself. All right, all right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting at Southern Star Tattoo in Atlanta. My friend,

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<v Speaker 1>entrusted tattoo confidant Josh May picks up shifts here. Not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been tattooing for decades and his work is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>He's now finished thirteen tattoos on me over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of three years. Today I'm getting another one on my

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<v Speaker 1>right arm, a simple black symbol connected to a band

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<v Speaker 1>I like personally. I've always found the experience of getting

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<v Speaker 1>a tattoo to be exhilarating in the moment and intrinsically

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<v Speaker 1>fulfilling in the long term, more spiritual sense. In short,

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<v Speaker 1>my tattoos have become a primary source of my outward

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<v Speaker 1>identity away for me to tell my story. People committed

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<v Speaker 1>the shop in the say I need this tattoo. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not that I want this tattoo or I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get this tattoo. I need this tattoo, So there's something

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<v Speaker 1>happening there. My name is Chuck Eldridge. I'm the co

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<v Speaker 1>owner and operator of the Tattoo Archive, located in Winston Salem,

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. The Tattoo Archive is all about discovering connections

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<v Speaker 1>across different times and cultures as it relates to tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck has devoted his life to this research, and what

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<v Speaker 1>he's found is that tattoo is a time honored and

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<v Speaker 1>universally beloved tradition. Tattooing it was practiced around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a tribe or a group of

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<v Speaker 1>people anywhere in the world that doesn't engage in some

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<v Speaker 1>form of body decoration. Now sometimes it's still body painting

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<v Speaker 1>in many of those esprecially some African tribes, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course they get into scarification as well. But it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it's something in our nature. I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like it's in the d n A of our

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<v Speaker 1>body to mark our body, to have that group identity.

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<v Speaker 1>For Chuck, it's always been about community, and in his case,

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<v Speaker 1>that tattoo community came around very early on in life.

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<v Speaker 1>I was born in a little cotton mill town called Elkin,

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, and my father, my brother, my uncle's all

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<v Speaker 1>had service related tattoos, so I grew up seeing them

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<v Speaker 1>my whole childhood, and UM really liked them. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the look of them. Um. I can remember getting my

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<v Speaker 1>uncle's to tell me the stories about how they got them,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the age of eight I decided I wanted tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it was a decade when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the Navy at eighteen that I was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>my first tattoo. I did boot camp in San Diego, California,

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<v Speaker 1>and after team weeks, they gave us twelve hours of

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<v Speaker 1>liberty and two hundred dollars and turned to slose in

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego. So I was able to get four tattoos

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<v Speaker 1>that day in three different shops. The first one I

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<v Speaker 1>got with a little sailor girl on my forearm. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of the start of my collection. After

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<v Speaker 1>four years in the Navy, I came out in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>nine and probably had thirty five tattoos maybe, so the

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<v Speaker 1>collection had been growing. I was stationed in Texas, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I was aboard ship into Hong Kong and the Philippines,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I collected there. Chuck says the experience of

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<v Speaker 1>getting a tattoo was very different back then. All the

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<v Speaker 1>shops in San Diego then majority of more on Broadway,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of like the main street in San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a sailor town, so the sidewalks are just

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<v Speaker 1>full of sailors in uniform. They were literally lined up

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the tattoo shop. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the shops were in kind of large bowlden alleys shaped buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, deep and skinny. It was noisy and loud,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the tattooers were old men. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>from the Second World War, in the Korean War, there

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<v Speaker 1>were no young people tattooing, and there were no women tattooing. Stylistically,

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<v Speaker 1>tattooing itself was also very different back then. There were

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<v Speaker 1>all the specialties that we held now. There wasn't photo realism,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't black and gray, there wasn't abstract, there wasn't watercolor.

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<v Speaker 1>So tattoo was a tattoo was a tattoo. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a set group of patterns that have

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<v Speaker 1>been reproduced for, you know, hundreds of years, so there

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a uniformity to it. There was something

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<v Speaker 1>familiar and comforting to those designs. There's a reason most

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<v Speaker 1>of the tattoo clientele were originally sailors. They came to

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<v Speaker 1>the Navy more so than the Army and the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force and such as that, just because the Navy was

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<v Speaker 1>going to these exotic places. They were going into the

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<v Speaker 1>South Pacific, where tattooing was was popular and was normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever you travel, for me, certainly, I always want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring back some souvenir of that travel, and so sailors

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<v Speaker 1>board ship, you don't have a lot of room, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can't bring back anything of any kind of physical size.

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<v Speaker 1>So those tattoos worked as souvenirs. They could bring those

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<v Speaker 1>back and they would have them, and they could tell

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<v Speaker 1>the story about getting those, and so it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a souvenir that you could carry with you. Chuck's

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<v Speaker 1>path to professional tattooing after leaving the Navy was unique.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually came to tattooing later than most people. Most people,

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<v Speaker 1>if they had had all that interest when they were young,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have ended up hand poking their friends. That

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<v Speaker 1>would have been the beginning of their tattoo career. But

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<v Speaker 1>I took a different path. I ended up deciding out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Navy. I had the g I Bill for

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<v Speaker 1>four years. They gave me free education, so I decided

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<v Speaker 1>to use that. And I decided I wanted to build

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<v Speaker 1>custom bicycles. So I went to a welding school in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina and learned to weld um. I worked in

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<v Speaker 1>bicycle shops to get my mechanic skills up, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I traveled to California to try to get a job

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<v Speaker 1>with a frame builder there named Albert Eisenrout. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was pursuing that, I thought, Okay, I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a bicycle frame builder. That's my lot in life. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was still getting tattooed through this whole period, collecting

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<v Speaker 1>here and there as I traveled and owned my way

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<v Speaker 1>from North Carolina to California. I had gone through Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and I had gotten tattooed thereby a fella in Cliff

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<v Speaker 1>Raven who was a really up and coming tattooer. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I was getting tattooed by him, I mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>I was on my way to California and he says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you get out to San Francisco, look

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<v Speaker 1>up this guy named Ed Hardy if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get to tattoo. So I just kind of filed that

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<v Speaker 1>away in my brain. So once I got settled, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually started looking for Ed. So I got over to

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<v Speaker 1>his shop in San Francisco, and as soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>went in the shop, you just go, oh, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is something different. He had big Japanese style

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<v Speaker 1>body pieces and full sleeve drawings and stuff. So I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that this was the place to get all those

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<v Speaker 1>random tattoos tied together into a set of sleeves. So

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<v Speaker 1>I did an apprenticeship there. Unfortunately, there was a fire.

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<v Speaker 1>The shock was destroyed. After actually even less than a

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<v Speaker 1>year I was living in Berkeley. I just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>open my own shop. I had my own ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted a shop to look like. In seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 1>I opened that shop in Berkeley, and I kept anguishing

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<v Speaker 1>over what am I going to call this place? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it going to be Chuck's tattoo shop or I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't know. And one day, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I bicycled by this this store, the Pacific Film Archive,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an amazing film mark I've there in Berkeley,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow that day that I rode by, that word

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<v Speaker 1>archive just leaped off the side of the building into

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<v Speaker 1>my face. So I said, at that moment, Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the tattoo work. That's it. That's the one,

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<v Speaker 1>the tattoo archive. The shop eventually became a literal tattoo archive.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, with tattooing. It doesn't take a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>space to do tattooing, you know too con tattoo and

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<v Speaker 1>a tin by tin room, you know, and have a

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<v Speaker 1>nice space. So I denoted most the building the space

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<v Speaker 1>for historical stuff. I worked away there and vote newsletters

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<v Speaker 1>and wrote for other newsletters and um would do slide shows,

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<v Speaker 1>history slide shows at conventions and stuff like this, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep those old time tattoos names alive. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>we have such a clear view of what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>is because we're standing on their shoulders. Eventually, Chuck started

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<v Speaker 1>to feel more inspired by his work with the archive

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<v Speaker 1>than by his work in the shop. Tattooing was horrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's no other way to describe it. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>I never felt that I had it the thing, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. You you see some artists and

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<v Speaker 1>they can draw anything in an instant, and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at it and you go, it's perfect. I never had that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've labored over all that, and it was stressful

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<v Speaker 1>preparing all that artwork in advance. It was easier to

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<v Speaker 1>get it to where the customer was happy with it

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<v Speaker 1>than it was to where I was happy with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And my first tattoo was a little tiny ant I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget on this guy's arm. I sweated, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, it was it was. It was horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>So that improved a little bit, you know, in thirty

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<v Speaker 1>or forty years, but they were still always really stressful.

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<v Speaker 1>After the archive grew, Chuck devoted himself almost exclusively to

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<v Speaker 1>his work as a historian. If you visit the Tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>Archive website, you'll quickly see just how extensive his research is.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Chuck to take us back to the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>to the very origins of what we now know as tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>Tattooing started as body paint, and he goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>the caveman. They would take dirt, red dirt, mix it

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<v Speaker 1>with water, paint their bodies. They would take clay, mix

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<v Speaker 1>that and paint their bodies. And this would be done

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<v Speaker 1>in a ritual situation. Women would have their first child,

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<v Speaker 1>when they could be buried, when men would go and

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<v Speaker 1>have hunts and make their first kill, and all these

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<v Speaker 1>kind of things that would be celebrations around this, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bodies would be painted and there would be specific

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<v Speaker 1>images and shapes that would be painted on the body

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<v Speaker 1>to convey the specific ritual that they were celebrating. Once

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<v Speaker 1>the caveman had fire, then they actually had a pigment

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<v Speaker 1>that they could push into the skin where they actually

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<v Speaker 1>could tattoo. And that's soit it's burnt down to a

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<v Speaker 1>fine granular's form, and you mix that with water and

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<v Speaker 1>you get a porcupine quill or a bird bone that

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<v Speaker 1>had been shaped in the shape of a needle, and

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<v Speaker 1>you could literally push that sit under the skin and

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<v Speaker 1>then create a tattoo. As a specific example, there was

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<v Speaker 1>one group of nomadic people who embraced tattoo before anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really want to go back, you can go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Scythians. They were a very advanced tribe.

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<v Speaker 1>They were doing metal work. They would do really large

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<v Speaker 1>animal tattoos. They would be basically just outlines because they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have color pigment, and you know, they had crewed

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<v Speaker 1>tools for doing the tattoos, so they were mainly outlines,

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<v Speaker 1>but they covered a lot of their body. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there are the Maori tribes in New Zealand. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>today's popular tribal looking tattoos are directly inspired by the

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<v Speaker 1>Maori people's work. Although the Maori's really only tattooed their

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<v Speaker 1>face and their buttocks. That was pretty much where it

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<v Speaker 1>was limited before Captain Cook and his crew got there

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventeen hundreds into New Zealand. They actually had

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<v Speaker 1>no written language, so their face tattoos would tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of that person life, their occupation, their tribe, their

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<v Speaker 1>family connections, and all this kind of stuff would be

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<v Speaker 1>told in their tattoos. If you go back and you

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<v Speaker 1>start looking at ancient photographs of the Maoris, those tattoos

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<v Speaker 1>were so ritualistic and so family oriented that when the

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<v Speaker 1>chiefs would die, their heads would be removed and they

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<v Speaker 1>would be smoked to where they would preserve them. The

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<v Speaker 1>heads would go on display in the mattle inside their

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<v Speaker 1>homes so that the children coming up could read the

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<v Speaker 1>story of their ancestors. They had an amazing culture that way.

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<v Speaker 1>If you travel in New Zealand, it's it's a tattoo wonderland.

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<v Speaker 1>Every place you go, every gift shop, bookshop, museum. Tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>culture is everywhere. The imagery it's amazing. Another region with

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<v Speaker 1>a storied and complicated history of tattooing is Japan. Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>tattooing is a lot like American tattooing in the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a hundred and fifty or two hundred images

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<v Speaker 1>or something that's kind of been codified in their artwork,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in their tattooing, and these tattooers do these images

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<v Speaker 1>over and over and over. They rendered them in their

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<v Speaker 1>fashion and stuff, and a lot of those images come

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<v Speaker 1>from a specific woodblock series, Warrior Prints, that was done

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<v Speaker 1>I guess probably in the seventeen hundreds, maybe maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>a little earlier. But there was a series of artists

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<v Speaker 1>that specialized in doing tattoo related woodblocks and woodblocks. They

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<v Speaker 1>were like ephemera. They were printed own woodblocks and on paper.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't considered high art. They were like pop art,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, kind of pop culture. So those were fragile,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean a lot of them have survived and

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<v Speaker 1>and sell for big money now, but they were a

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<v Speaker 1>very kind of ephemeral kind of art form. But they

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<v Speaker 1>influenced the tattooers, and I just bet some of the

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<v Speaker 1>tattoos were probably woodblock artist as well. The Japanese, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>completely look at tattoos in a different set of eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will. For an American, a small tattoo is

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<v Speaker 1>an ant on your arm. For a Japanese tattoo fan,

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<v Speaker 1>a half sleeve is a start. They took the palette

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<v Speaker 1>and just enlarged it to an extreme degree, from wrist

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<v Speaker 1>to neck two ankles. With the Japanese, they've definitely advanced it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the Japanese tattoos are still on the

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<v Speaker 1>forefront of spectacular bodywork politically and socially. However, Japan was

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<v Speaker 1>very slow to embrace tattoos. Tattooing in Japan was looked

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<v Speaker 1>at as an outsider art. Today it is connected with

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<v Speaker 1>the yakaza, which is Japanese mafia, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>has hindered tattooing advancing in Japan. At one time, you

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<v Speaker 1>could literally be in Japan and walked by a tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>shop for years and never even know it was there.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no signage. You had to have introductions to

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<v Speaker 1>even get through the door of the tattoo shop. They

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<v Speaker 1>labored in obscurity in a way that has changed now

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<v Speaker 1>there are street shops in Japan, very often American looking

0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:35.680
<v Speaker 1>street shops with flashy neon and strobe lights. The Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>had kind of a mixed feeling about tattoos. They had

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<v Speaker 1>advanced it to a high degree and was respected worldwide,

0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.440
<v Speaker 1>but the straight Japanese uh they saw it as bad.

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<v Speaker 1>They saw it as gangster. You can only imagine where

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<v Speaker 1>it would gone if it had been more accepted, if

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<v Speaker 1>that had been something that would have been less underground

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<v Speaker 1>and less negative, how far would they have gone Most

0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.840
<v Speaker 1>historians will tell you that tattoo made its way to

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<v Speaker 1>North America from Europe, although as Chuck points out, that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually false. All the native tribes in North America, long

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<v Speaker 1>before the white men ever set foot on North America,

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<v Speaker 1>all had some form of body decoration. They had progressed

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<v Speaker 1>that where that was, that was normal. They were already

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<v Speaker 1>doing puncture tattooing by the time the white man got here.

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.960
<v Speaker 1>But for professional tattooing, it was actually it came from England.

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<v Speaker 1>In Germany. The early shops from the undreds and they

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<v Speaker 1>were initially in New York because that's where the immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>came in. They just got off the boat and went

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<v Speaker 1>to the bery and found the store front and set

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<v Speaker 1>up shop, and for probably a hundred years that continued

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<v Speaker 1>in that fashion. Tattooing was mainly isolated to the coast

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<v Speaker 1>where the ports were, where the navy was, and then

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<v Speaker 1>as America built more military bases in the middle of

0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the country, tattoos began to congregate around them. Generally, if

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<v Speaker 1>there was tattooing in the middle of the country, in

0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the middle of North America, it was around a military

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<v Speaker 1>base because that was your bread and butter was tattooing

0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the military. You would get a few civilian clients, but

0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.920
<v Speaker 1>not enough to pay the rent. You stayed alive from

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<v Speaker 1>pay day to pay day, and sometimes you would stay

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<v Speaker 1>open three days straight if you had the staff to

0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.960
<v Speaker 1>keep the shop going. Now it's to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a young, aspiring tattooeder, if you've got ills,

0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't even need to leave your little hometown. The

0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>world will beat a path to your door. Still, in

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<v Speaker 1>those early days, tattoo thrived primarily on the coasts. It

0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.520
<v Speaker 1>was nautical. It was around port towns. Those sailors you know,

0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:19.440
<v Speaker 1>had traveled into the South Pacific. Captain Cook's crew came

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.480
<v Speaker 1>back from the South Pacific in New Zealand and with tattoos,

0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.760
<v Speaker 1>so they brought them back. Once those islands in the

0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:31.200
<v Speaker 1>South Pacific were charted with the latitude and longitude where

0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 1>people can actually find them again, you have to realize

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.720
<v Speaker 1>that these islands were like little specks in the middle

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.200
<v Speaker 1>of this massive body of water, so you could sail

0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.879
<v Speaker 1>past it for hundreds of years and never even know

0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.840
<v Speaker 1>that the island was there. But once Cook got that

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.560
<v Speaker 1>latitude and longitude in place, the next group of people

0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to those islands were missionaries to begin with, and then explorers.

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<v Speaker 1>Those explorers would find tattooed people and bring them back

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<v Speaker 1>to England and back to America to show them for

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.600
<v Speaker 1>money to create the early side shows. That had a

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<v Speaker 1>big impact, especially in North America and in England, because

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.159
<v Speaker 1>people would go to these circuces and side shows and

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 1>they would see these tattoo attractions that had come from

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the South Pacific. Then they would go, that's cool. I think,

0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 1>what can I find one of those tattoo things? So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was kind of the beginning of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was around this time that the first tattoo machines

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>came around and they revolutionized the process. The electric machine

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.680
<v Speaker 1>was invented by a fellow named Samuel O'Reilly mid to

0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:46.399
<v Speaker 1>late eight hundreds, and he was inspired by Thomas Edison.

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<v Speaker 1>An invention that Edison had called the stencil pen, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a office tool for duplicating letters. And literally it

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<v Speaker 1>was a pen type machine that was had an electric

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<v Speaker 1>motor and a vibrating needle and you would take your

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<v Speaker 1>original copy of your letter that you needed to duplicate

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<v Speaker 1>and put it on a little phone pad and then

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<v Speaker 1>you would ride over that the needle would puncture holes

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<v Speaker 1>into the paper. Then you would take that and put

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<v Speaker 1>it on a clean sheet and then take an inked

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<v Speaker 1>roller roll over that. The ink would absorb through the

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<v Speaker 1>holes and it would give you effects simile of the document.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this is pre typewriter, so this is like

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<v Speaker 1>early office technology. It was eclipsed within a year or

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<v Speaker 1>so because the typewriter came O'Reilly was a Irish immigrant

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.600
<v Speaker 1>that came to America in the eighteen hundred. You saw

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the Edison stencil pen and goes I could tattoo with that.

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<v Speaker 1>The machine evolved along and if you were a tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>in the thirties forties, you almost had to be a

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<v Speaker 1>mechanic because you had to maintain that equipment. Sometimes the

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.960
<v Speaker 1>tours had a serious mechanical skills, and so they would

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:07.240
<v Speaker 1>just start building their own machines that have them cast

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and they would wrap the coils and the machine was

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a constant evolution. Although you look at

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 1>the tattoo machine a coil machine, and they all kind

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of looked the same, but there's subtleties inside that design.

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<v Speaker 1>My analogy is the caveman invented the wheel and it's

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<v Speaker 1>still round, so the twin coil machines still looks the same,

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:32.160
<v Speaker 1>but there's it's gotten more sophisticated, if you will. And

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.400
<v Speaker 1>many of these tattoos that had those mechanical skills actually

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 1>became tattoo suppliers. They would go into a business, and

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the supply business would begin to overshadow their tattoo business.

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 1>So this became a whole industry in itself. As Chuck

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, American tattoo design became codified into a handful

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of simple, repeatable images. I asked him to explain, with

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 1>that traditional tattoo design, it looks like it's a design

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 1>with a solid black outline. There's enough black shading in

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 1>it to make it hold up thirty years from now

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:15.640
<v Speaker 1>when all the colored dims, and then it's colored with

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:19.160
<v Speaker 1>probably three or four basic colors, black, red, green, maybe

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.679
<v Speaker 1>a little brown or yellow. To my eye, that is

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a traditional tattoo design. Obviously, the imagery

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 1>can be wild and crazy, doesn't have to be an

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:33.520
<v Speaker 1>anchor or sailor girl. But it's the way it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>rendered it kind of makes it a traditional tattoo design.

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Then that design involves with the emersions of one of

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 1>the most popular artists and styles Sailor Jerry. Sailor Jerry

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 1>was a Honolulu tattooer that actually got his start in Chicago,

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:58.120
<v Speaker 1>moved to Honolulu and tattoo. They're kind of off and on.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of took a couple of break because and

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.879
<v Speaker 1>came back in the sixties as almost kind of a

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>reinvented man and created this amazing volume of work because

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>he sat there in Honolulu between North America, which had

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in the forties, fifties, sixties had a wealth of amazing

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>tattooers working in North America in Japan. He took those

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>two influences and blended them in a way that it

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been done before. It was a good water colorist,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was able to take those images that we

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:41.879
<v Speaker 1>had seen, those codified images and reinvent them, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was extremely attractive. It was kind of the classic folk

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>art style of tattooing. There was another style that developed

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.199
<v Speaker 1>around the same time as Sailor Jerry, one that was

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>less commercially popular, but equally provocative and important, and that

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is prison tattooing. You have a group of men or

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.360
<v Speaker 1>women locked up, maybe they don't look at it as

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a souvenir of their time in prison, but it certainly

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>is a mark of their time in prison that they

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>want to have. Sometimes you're actually almost required to have it.

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have to choose sides in there, and each

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>side is going to have their markings and their logos

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.959
<v Speaker 1>and their wording and their lettering, and that associates you

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 1>with that side. Not that far removed how the Marri's were.

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:40.639
<v Speaker 1>All the parallels are sometimes mind boggling actually how it works. Obviously,

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have access in prisons to needles. I mean

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe they did sewing needles, but you know those those

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 1>were probably controlled once the guards found out that they

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>were tattooing with the sewing needles, then that they were issued.

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, they didn't have pigment. They did have once

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>again came back to the caveman burning pages of a

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>book together. Sit They had all the makings, and you know,

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>sadly a lot of tattooers were screwing up and ended

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>up in jail. So they had people that knew what

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 1>they were doing. It's impossible to say, oh, well, this

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 1>guy in this prison got the first prison tattoo on

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>this date. I mean it's it's not possible to date that,

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's certainly evolved into a very high art form.

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Much like once again the Japanese. Here it is suppressed

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>as seriously as it could possibly be oppressed, but the

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>desire to have it is overwhelming the oppression. I can remember,

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 1>if you saw somebody on the street in the seventies

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>with all this black and gray tattooing, nine times out

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>of ten they had gotten that in prison. Today, obviously

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>that's certainly not the case anymore. Now it's become a genre.

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>It's got its whole world, it's got its own series

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of tattoos, it's got its own series of pigments, which

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>like almost a separate branch of tattooing. Because of its

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 1>association with prison and many other factors, the perception around

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 1>tattoos in America for most of the twentieth century was

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>less than warm. The old analogy was sailor's prisoners and

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>loose women, that's who got tattooed. They were just looked

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>at as as an outcast and suspicious, not good, not favorable.

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Tattoo shops were isolated into adult entertainment sections of town,

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>where they had to be next to the titty boy,

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it was negative, you were a troublemaker.

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Police kept records of certain designs that were gang related,

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>so that if they arrested somebody and they had this

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>image on them, then they can make the connection of

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like it's just all that's just piled

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>up and piled up and piled up. It was not good,

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you know. I think the connection there in North America

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 1>is religion. The Bible does not have the word tattoo

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>in it, but it does talk about marking the body.

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:24.959
<v Speaker 1>I believe that that has stymied the public acceptance of

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>tattooing for ever and ever. Even today it still doesn't.

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>But as we all know, you can go into Starbucks

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 1>now and you're barre stick and they have a tattooed neck.

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, no matter how hard you push it down,

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that's still gonna rise up. That negativity started to diminish

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies and eighties once pop culture finally

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>embraced tattoos. Some of means concerts and the major bands

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>are on the road. Alice Cooper doing three It's at

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Chicago's Uptown Theater at the fifth, sixth and seventh. Music

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>industry sources are also talking about the Rolling Stones tour.

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes it is happening, although Atlantic or The Stones have

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<v Speaker 1>not confirmed it. Tremendous impact on the popularity. The current

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>popularity of tattooing was MTV came along in two man.

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I can remember watching MTV and going, jeez, man, look

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>at all these tattooed people. Look at these people coming

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>into our living room. They weren't gangsters or robbers, or

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>prisoners or murderers. TV is virtualistic in this country. You know,

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.239
<v Speaker 1>if it's on TV, it's real, especially then. It was

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe less so now, but that was the real world.

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Then led Zeppelin video would be shown every forty eight minutes,

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 1>whether it needed to be enough, So you just start

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>putting that into people's face. It's just going to begin

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to wear down those prejudice. And then along with that

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>came tattoo conventions. I mean they started in seventies. Six

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>people would show up, and everybody was amazing that there

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>weren't more fist fights between the tattooers. You know, it's

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>like it was still very underground. Getting a hotel to

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 1>even allow us to have a tattoo convention was like, oh,

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>my god, the liability insurance that you had to pay

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to even get a convention into those hotels. And then

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the tattoo magazines came. It was kind of like, almost

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>like a perfect storm. It had been building through the

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>sixties and the seventies, and so that just accumulated in

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the eighties and boom, here we are. We fear things

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>we don't understand, and once we understand something, it takes

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>some of that fear away. So I think that that's

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a classic example of what happened with the tattoo world.

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>It became less fearful to people, and MTV, the conventions

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and the magazines and all that helped relieve that angst,

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>if you will ye. Since the eighties, tattooing has blown up.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Most major cities now have dozens of tattoo shops, and

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>even small towns are sure to have at least a few.

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And along with that increased popularity came new styles, new ideas,

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and a wider palette of possibilities. Tattooing is certainly diversified.

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, back when I started getting tattooed, a tattoo

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>design was a tattoo design. It didn't have all that's

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of specialty name connected with it. Nowadays, there's a

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>plethora of unique tattoo styles to pick from. This water color,

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the super realism, this black and gray, bio mechanical, there's

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>more than I could even name off the top of

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>my head. I find that I like them. I never

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 1>were able to execute any of those. I was a

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>very traditional tattoo so they were outside of my skill set,

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate the skill that these tattoos do have.

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>But it seems like every day there's a new term

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>for another style of tattooing. And I think in the

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>long run, it opens the art form to more people

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>because traditional tattoos, which I love and there close to

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>my heart or not for everybody. Yeah, I mean, it's

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>just that I faced that fact. That's not a problem.

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 1>What it ends up doing, too is drawing interesting people,

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>really talented people into the tattoo world that maybe would

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>have never thought about that, you know what I mean.

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>That was like too weird, you know, tattooing somebody's skin.

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>But they realized that their style and their technique actually

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>can apply. I guess in the long run that's good.

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>As with any sort of art media or fashion trend,

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>there are pros and cons to the increased popularity. The

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>good thing is that that draws more people in. People

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>got to have more choices of what they do where

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 1>they're able to express that inner feeling that they're wanting

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 1>to put onto their skin. The bad thing is that

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>people are drawn into it for all the wrong reasons,

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>just to make money, be cool, be the hip cat

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you know. Chuck says that back in the day, the

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>intentions of an aspiring tattoo artist were more pure. If

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you go back to the twenties, thirties, forties and you

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.959
<v Speaker 1>were a tattoo artist, you had to have a day job.

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't enough money in tattooing to support you and

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>your family. Many of these tattooers were what I call

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>blue collar tattoos. They get tattooed for forty or fifty

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>years and have a day job that would bring them

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a salary every week, and um they could have paid

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 1>their mortgage, and they tattooed evenings and weekends. Those blue

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>collar guys. I love those the tattoos because they felt

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that they were there doing it because they did love it,

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>not because they could make it a living in There's

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a real difference in mentality there that I kind of like.

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Chuck also wonders if tattooing has gotten too popular. I

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.839
<v Speaker 1>wish we could go back the weird tattoos were kind

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 1>of taboo. I actually liked it a little better when

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>tattoos were a little more outsider art. Any Time something

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>becomes popular, it has a tendency to get overexposed, or

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it just becomes popular and it kind of loses some

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of its magic, if you will. I know a lot

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of people that were big proponents of promoting really good

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 1>tattooing in the seventies and eighties sometimes now look back

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.399
<v Speaker 1>and go, come, you know, maybe we created a monster here.

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>There are mixed feelings inside the tattoo business about that,

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and usually that comes from buddy that has enough experience

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>to know what it was like before. I asked my

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>tattoo guy Josh what he thought about the whole traditional

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>versus new debate, and also whether his style has changed

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 1>or evolved over the years. I've always kind of liked

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the roots of things, like more traditional things, so probably

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>it hasn't changed a lot other than getting way more

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>into you know, Japanese tattoo and a larger scale. But

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>definitely like the mindset of like kind of more simple

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>flat images, like things that look like it looked like

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 1>they were meant to be tattooed. Like. That's always kind

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>of I've always sort of had that mindset, but definitely

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>have evolved more into doing large scale thinking about where

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>it sits on the whole body instead of you know,

0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the American emblematic patch catch patching. Today it's easier than

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>ever to become a tattoo artist. I asked Chuck what

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the usual path for an aspiring tattoo looks like. If

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you really want to be what I think of as

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:19.879
<v Speaker 1>a professional tattoour, you need some training, some background, if

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>nothing else, just to teach you the level of respect

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 1>that you should be exhibiting for your art and for

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the tattoo art in itself and for your customers. Now,

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>how long that training should be, That depends on the person.

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.399
<v Speaker 1>You know. If you can be a sponge, you could

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>learn all of that in a month. Traditionally, tattooed apprenticeships

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>were thought of as two years, and to open your

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>own shop straight out of an apprenticeship is sometimes fool hardy,

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.320
<v Speaker 1>but it certainly happens. You gotta pay the utility bills.

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>You gotta find the space, you gotta get the license

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>if the city has you know what I mean. So

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 1>there's these formalities that you kind of have to go through.

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Then you've got to build the shop, you know. I

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>mean obviously some people put hundreds of thousands of dollars

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 1>in their shops. Some people work out of a trunk

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>set in the corner. So it's like, it depends on

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 1>how you want to present yourself. There's no set formula

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 1>for that. Back in the seventies when the tattoo Convention started,

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>tattoos would not have shops. They were on the road tattooing.

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.439
<v Speaker 1>That's how they would stay alive and and do that.

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.720
<v Speaker 1>You don't need a lot of sophisticated equipment and stuff

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>to do great tattooing. It's a very uh minimal equipment operation.

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>While getting tattooed, I asked Josh about his basic setup.

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 1>He confirmed the general simplicity of it and explain to

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 1>me how the process typically works. Yes, basically, U two

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>needle machine power supply. You have a clip chord then

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>provides power to the machine from the power supply and

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>then foot switch then turns it off and on. Um,

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So there's no like trigger on the thing. So a

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>lot a lot of guys have just a switch that

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>or it'll either turn it on or off. So if

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>either constantly going. But I just don't like to feel

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.280
<v Speaker 1>if it constantly going, I feel like it's running away

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>from me. Especially if you're like doing something like cleaning

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>off the needle a little bit or something. You don't

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 1>like that thing going and going and going. Don't. But yeah,

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 1>usually foot switch clicking it on on you and then

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>they get the ink. You have it kind of like white,

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>like dip it like a quill or something, right, exactly

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>like a quiltin like there's nothing making the ink stay

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>in there or you know what I mean. There's no

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:58.240
<v Speaker 1>apparatus like sucking up ink or or disperse the ink.

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just like you're dipping it in the in the well,

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>just like a quilton. And then it's just your poking

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.919
<v Speaker 1>holes in the skin and gravity is letting the ink

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 1>drip down into the holes. You know. It's that It's

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that simple. There's nothing like pushing it in the area. Things,

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>just the needle moving up and down. Chuck doesn't tattoo

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>as much as he used to, but the tattoo Archive

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>is bigger than ever. Well, you know, I could like

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>paper posters, postcards, photographs, business cards, catalogs, flash sheets. If

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it's on paper, I like it. I think if I

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>had my collection to start over again, could be exclusively

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 1>business cards. I think that business cards give us the

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>biggest indication of that person's sense of humor, their professionalism,

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 1>their spelling abilities, and their artistic ability, more so than

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>any other single item that's around the tattoo world. I

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 1>think the business cards are fascinating and and they're easy

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>to store. First of all, they may have a locator

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 1>next to the Greyhound bus station. They will give you

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 1>an indication of how many designs. Oh, we have a

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand tattoo designs to choose from. We work in

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>fourteen colors, we use English needles. The card just kind

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>of spiels out what the person was saying, if he

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>was describing his business to you, and it's all there

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>on that three and a half by two inch little

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 1>piece of paper. And then then sometimes on the back

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a cartoon that's clever. They're just full of information.

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Throughout the archive you'll find a vast collection of tattoo styles,

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>spanning across different time periods and distant parts of the globe.

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 1>I asked Chuck what he thinks is the common link

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 1>between all these tattoo traditions. Tattoo pigment under the skin,

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:11.320
<v Speaker 1>that is the connector for all of it, regardless of

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>what they call it, what color it is, what color

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the skin is, how well it's done, that is the

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 1>tying end point. And with that is the idea that

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the person wants to wear this, They want to have

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>this image on them for the world to see. And

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 1>that's the connector. It's elementary. It goes back to the

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:43.720
<v Speaker 1>whole d n a thing of why did these people

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>come in and say I need this tattoo? What is that?

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>What is that drive? And that drive, obviously is is

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>varied as the people walking into the shop. I believe

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>that's the link. That is the physical idea of wearing

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a tattoo and facing what you might not understand as

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 1>far as pain, healing, repercussions from your family. What's your

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 1>mother going to think? Being willing to face that and

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>go Okay, I want this mark. This mark is important.

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Those Marie tattoos, their whole life story was told on

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.799
<v Speaker 1>their face. If you could look at your tattoos and

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 1>knew what the meanings of them were to you, those

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 1>tattoos would tell the story of your life. We're all

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the same, We're still all the same. No no matter

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>how sophisticated we dress ourselves, or what clever haircut we've got,

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>or what cute accent we have, Well, we're all in

0:43:42.160 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>this boat together. Yeah, Yeah life. This episode of Ephemeral

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>was written and assembled by Trevor Young and produced with

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Max and Alex Williams. Chuck Eldridge is the founder of

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the Tattoo Archive, which you can bruise on tattoo archive

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 1>dot com. And special thanks to Josh May, the tattoo

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.959
<v Speaker 1>artist we recorded working on Trevor's arm. You can find

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Josh and his work on Instagram at j m a

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0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:52.120
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