1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Canfi I Am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. CAF 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: I Am six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: and we're on the radio from one until four, and 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: then after four o'clock it's Johnny Canon Demand the podcast. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: There is so much big news today that we just 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: got to get right into it here. 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think one of the headlines I 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: saw at the New York Post said it all mentally 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: ill gun expert goes on shootings free. Boy, that's not 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: an irony there on those first four words, mentally ill 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: gun expert. This guy was at Of course, we've learned 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: that he actually was in a mental institution this summer 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks because he was hearing voices. 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they let him out. Yeah, his voices 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: were so loud. According to an interview with The Daily Beast, 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: his family members said he got special hearing aids. I guess, 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: so we're supposed to do what I guess, so we 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: could hear the voices more clearly. 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say it. Shouldn't it be a 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: way to turn them down? 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: I know he thought they were real people. So that's 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: this is schizophrenia. So of course what you do is 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: you release a guy who's a weapons expert, a weapons instructor, 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: who's an army reservist, and he hears voices in his 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: head and you let him out of the mental hospital. 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course you get guns. 28 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Right, boy, That mental health industry is so ridiculous, is 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: so nuts they should. 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: Threaten to shoot up a nearby base. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: I think yes, he did. He did. 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: I just think the collection of these things should have 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: had him put away for a long long time in 34 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: some psych institution. So we're talking about Robert Card. As 35 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: of now, they still haven't found him. It looks like 36 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: he not only planned this, but planned an escape from 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: this because of course we're talking about Maine. There's a 38 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: lot of wilderness up there. But there's even one report 39 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: that said maybe got in a jet ski and fled. Well, 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: we're going to go to Derek Dennis, ABC News for 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: KFI with the latest on this story. 42 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: Derek, what's going on? 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 3: Hello, Well, not much as far as I can see. 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: I'm in downtown Lewiston, Maine, and it is a ghost town. 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: Every business is closed. Gas station's convenience stores, banks, very 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: minimal traffic here at what is really the beginning of 47 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: the afternoon rush here on the East Coast, And so 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: that's the scene, at least publicly, but as far as 49 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: law enforcement concerned, they are on a drag net for 50 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 3: this Robert Card, the suspect they consider armed and dangerous, 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: the one they say shot up two businesses, a local 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: bowling alley and a bar and grill, killing eighteen people, 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: wounding thirteen others last night. He is still on the run. 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: Authority believe he's somewhere in the area, but he also 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: has access to a boat, has access to other firearms, 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: and say they are actively searching for him frantically while 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: this community is on edge. 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: I guess what they have. There is a lockdown to order, 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: am I right? So everybody is told the shelter in place. 60 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: Shelter in place, and people are doing it. I talked 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: to one gentleman, one of the few people who was 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: out and about. He had a medical appointment at the 63 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: very hospital where a number of the victims are being treated, 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: Central Maine Medical Center. As soon as he left that hospital, 65 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: he got in his car and said he was headed 66 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: home to be inside where he says it's safe and 67 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: that's the situation. Really, But I got to tell you this, 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: Robert Card and you talked about it at the top. 69 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: He's an Army reservist, trained with weapons and has a 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: history of mental health issues. In fact, ABC News spoke 71 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: to a family member of his, a sister, who said 72 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 3: that he had a erratic behavior for a while now 73 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 3: and the family was concerned he may have been looking 74 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: for an next girlfriend and that may have had him agitated. 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: But we don't have a motive, at least not officially 76 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: from law enforcement. We do know that most of the 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: victims who were killed were men, but one of the 78 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: shootings happened at a bowling alley where a children's event 79 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 3: was happening, So there were families and young kids there 80 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 3: and were waiting to learn more about the ages of 81 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: all the victims and identifying all the victims. So far, 82 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: police are doing that in a slow and deliberate process 83 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: to notify next to kin. 84 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: I heard a report about the ex girlfriend and that 85 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: she or they might have bowled at that alley when 86 00:04:59,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: they were dating. 87 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: It's it's very possible. I talk to people here in 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: Lewison that it's a popular bowling alley. It's an a 89 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: bowling alley where on any given night you would see families, couples, children, 90 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 3: So this appears to be a location that was well 91 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: known and may have been specifically targeted by the shooter, 92 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: though authorities haven't said that just yet. 93 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing I heard about the restaurant too, that 94 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: was another place that they would spend time. And did 95 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: he lose a job recently? That was another story I 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: heard a couple of times. 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: You know, we're hearing a lot of those reports that 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 3: are starting to trickle out. Authorities haven't officially confirmed a 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: lot of that. We're getting a lot of it from 100 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 3: sources at ABC News as well as family members that 101 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: we've been able to talk to. So we're waiting for 102 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: official word on a lot of these details from law 103 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: enforcement before we go with it. They're being careful. They 104 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: don't want to give out two information as they are 105 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: actively searching for them right now. 106 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 107 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: So as the number still eighteen people were killed in 108 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: about thirty wounded. As it's holding it that. 109 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: Or changing, Yeah, you know, it's holding at eighteen killed. 110 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: A number of the victims who are wounded are in 111 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: very critical condition. About a handful of them are so 112 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: serious they are not expected to survive. We're told, according 113 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: to law enforcement sources talking to ABC News, some of 114 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: the victims were shot at point blank range in the 115 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: face and in the head. 116 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: So you can imagine the injuries would. 117 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: Be catastrophic, deadly if they were able to survive at all. 118 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: And what have we learned about this psychiatric treatment he 119 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: got this summer? He spent a couple of weeks in 120 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: an institution. 121 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: Right, so you know this was according to his military records, 122 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: that he was hearing voices, he was exhibiting threatening behavior 123 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: while serving as an active Army reservist, so much so 124 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: that he was ordered into psychiatric treatment. There is where 125 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: the details stopped. We don't know how that treatment went. 126 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: We don't know the circumstances from which he was discharged, 127 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: but we know he was let out at some point 128 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: and has been living and working as a normal citizen since. 129 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: So his military supervisors ordered him into mental health treatment. 130 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: Yes, that's our information, but family members tell us that 131 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: he has had psychiatric issues off and on and was 132 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: undergoing treatment for that for a while now. 133 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: And do you know if there's a law in Maine 134 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: where they would take away the weapons of somebody who's 135 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: been ordered into psychiatric treatment. 136 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: We don't know that specifically for Maine, but we know 137 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: that that is a law that's in place in many states, 138 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: especially as we see more and more of these mass shootings. 139 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: This mass shooting in Maine is the deadliest so far 140 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: this year in America, and it's a source of contention 141 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 3: for people who live here, for law enforcement who want 142 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: more laws, more stringent laws against gun control, and especially 143 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: with people who have a history of mental illness. So 144 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: that's something that we're asking authorities about. What were the 145 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: laws in place to protect this kind of thing from happening. 146 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: All right, Derek, thank you very much for that report. 147 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Sure thing, Dennis. 148 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: Deeric Dennis. He's in Lewiston, Maine, where the shooting broke 149 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: out last night, at a bowling alley in a nearby bar, 150 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: looking for Robert Card. Katie Card is his sister in law. 151 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: And here's the quote. My brother in law is a 152 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: wonderful person and a great father to his son, who 153 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: just graduated from high school. His behavior change was sudden, 154 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: and he had not previously experienced mental health issues. She 155 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: does mention, of course, this summer is stay in the 156 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: psych institution. Yeah, he said he had a severe hearing laws, 157 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: likely due to being around constant gunfire. He was in 158 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: the Army Reserve since December of two thousand and two, 159 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: but had no combat at the employments, and they've been 160 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: continually messaging him to tell him he's loved, he needs 161 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: to do the right thing. But of course they haven't 162 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: heard back from him. 163 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: What are the names of the geniuses who let him 164 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: out of the mental institution. I mean, when you have 165 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: the military telling you to go lock yourself up, then 166 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: what Cards. 167 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: Unit requested law enforcement be contacted in July because he 168 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: began behaving erradically. 169 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: You're behaving radically, you're hearing voices. The voices don't go away. 170 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: After two weeks, you might have like you might have 171 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: some kind of permanent brain damage that developed. 172 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: I says here. New York State Police responded and transported 173 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: Card to something called the Killer Army Community Hospital at 174 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: the United States Military Academy for a medical evaluation. 175 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: So two weeks, though, is a long time, because you 176 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: know here in California, if you're an imminent violent threat 177 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: to somebody, you only get seventy two hours so to 178 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: be blocked up for two weeks, whatever the main laws are, 179 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: is a long time, but obviously they thought it was 180 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: serious at the time. If the military is sending him 181 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: to the institution and he stays there two weeks, so 182 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: what changed that he would be let out? 183 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: And I've also heard I think the system law said 184 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: this too, that he was particularly bothered by the bowling 185 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: Alley because that's where he was really hearing the voices 186 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: that were saying bad things about him. So I guess 187 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 2: he went there to confront the voices and open fire. 188 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: But I find it makes sense of this is ridiculous, but. 189 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: The possible job loss, the possible girlfriend break up, those 190 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: are notoriously triggers for mental patients to go on shooting sprees. 191 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: And if it's untreated, this kind of mental illness can 192 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: get worse. The voices will get louder, they'll get stronger, 193 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: they'll be urging to do things. 194 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: The only treatment is you give the schizophrenic pills, and 195 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: most of them won't take the pills because one of 196 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,479 Speaker 1: the if he has schizophrenia, because one of the hallmarks 197 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: of that disease and some other mental diseases is the 198 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: person with it doesn't think there's anything wrong with him, 199 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: so they don't take the medication. They think they're fine 200 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: because the voices or the hallucinations are real to them. 201 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think the defining line is that he threatened 202 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: to shoot up in nearby military bass. That's when you 203 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: have to put this person away. Lots of mentally ill 204 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: people are not violent, but when someone starts talking like that, 205 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: you got to take that seriously. You got to take action. 206 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: But you know what, how many times have we ever 207 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: heard this though they just let everybody out of mental institutions, 208 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: there's always some you know, three member panelists as well, 209 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: we think he has been rehabilitated, we've given him a prescription, 210 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: and there so often they're wrong. They don't know what 211 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: they're doing. They really don't know what they're doing. But 212 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: they're such an ideology against locking people up, either in 213 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: prison or a mental institution. And then everyone goes, oh, 214 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: what a terrible tragedy. Well, of course, you're gonna have 215 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: plenty of terrible tragedies if you let the crazy, violent 216 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: people out running around free, and then you let them 217 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: have a. 218 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: Problem with mental illness, not only with the shooters, but 219 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: obviously with the homeless too. 220 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, our species. The stupidity of our species is 221 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: just overwhelming, it really is. We know exactly what to do. Yeah, identify, 222 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: I identify these guys. You lock them up, period, you 223 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: let them out. They're gonna kill twenty people. 224 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: I hope we have room for millions of people, because 225 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: that's may people what it takes by the time we're 226 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: done by. 227 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: You know, you got a choice a lot of tax money. Yeah, well, 228 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: it's a lot of a lot of tax money here. Now, 229 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: all right, we've got more coming up. Next, of course, 230 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: is your chance to win money with a keyword. 231 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken k if I AM six forty live everywhere, 232 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Acts. 233 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 234 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 3: AM six forty. 235 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: You know, the small unique thing here with this mass 236 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: shooting in Maine is that the m in the last 237 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: number of shootings is either the shooter is killed at 238 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: the scene or is caught. This one is still on 239 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: the run, which has led many to believe he planned 240 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: this well in advance, despite his mental condition and hearing voices, 241 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: and he had an escape plan well which he found 242 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: his car. They found his car, but they have not 243 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: located this man. And you know this part of New England, Maine, Vermont, 244 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: that whole area in New Hampshire, a lot of wooded 245 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: areas that he could run to. There's even reports that 246 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: the Coast Guard is looking just in case he's trying 247 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: something at sea. This of course, happened in Lewiston, Maine. 248 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: Most of Maine is woods, very rural. Yeah, yeah, I 249 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: mean it's really an empty state. Lewiston, Maine when this 250 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: happened is I think thirty seven thousand people and it's 251 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: the second largest city in the state. Yeah, thirty six 252 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: thousand people doesn't get you much in southern California for 253 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: a town. 254 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: So there these are these are even the big cities 255 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: are really small towns. 256 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: And didn't we just do a story last week that 257 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: Maine had some of the safest towns and cities. 258 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: A lot of New England did well, they do well. 259 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: This is almost a year's worth of murders in one night. Annually, 260 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: Maine has an average in the teens. Last year it 261 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: was it was high. It was twenty nine for the 262 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: whole year, and this guy killed eighteen and probably a 263 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: few more are going to die. Yeah, last night they 264 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: had it to twenty two. I mean, this is also 265 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: a rare circumstance with the number went down, which is good. 266 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: I guess I saw twenty two all night, But the 267 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: way Derek Dennis was talking, they expect several more critically 268 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: and very critically injured. And it's a bad number. It 269 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: is roughly a year's worth of murders in one night 270 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: by this guy. And he's had what twenty years of 271 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: army training. 272 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only a forty year old and. 273 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's young, in good shape. Most likely he's 274 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: got he knows how to live outdoors for a long 275 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: period of time. 276 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: And how much weaponry does he have? I wonder that 277 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: he's taken with him now he left his car behind. 278 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: What did he get into another car that he has 279 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: to have some other motive transit or is the only 280 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: one walking? 281 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: You know he had he had a white car last night, right. 282 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one they found. 283 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 284 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Right, Well, I read one report today, and of course 285 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: you can't trust any of the reports verbatim. 286 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: Okay, sometimes the initial reports are not real, right. 287 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes the second like I said, wait three days, 288 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: Well I can't wait three days and looking for a 289 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: mass shooter. Well no, they Well, this morning, one of 290 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: the reports had him in a suburban so, uh, I 291 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: imagine he had maybe a series of cars that he 292 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: was going to uh behind into. 293 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that they set up cars in places that they 294 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: can get to sure, I mean, well that would be frightening. 295 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: One resident who grew up in the area where Robert 296 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: Carr and his family lived told NBC News people knew 297 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: to avoid him. Liam Kent said people knew to stay 298 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: away from Robert Card as well as his whole family. 299 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: So as well as the whole family, that's what the 300 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: man told NBC News, the whole family. Of course, the 301 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: sister in law is the one that's talking. She married 302 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: Card's brother. Yeah, that's all we're hearing. She's in deep 303 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: down but yeah, but she's the one telling us about 304 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: what a wonderful, wonderful dad Robert Carr is. 305 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I wish there was a way to get a 306 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: law against relatives speaking about how wonderful these mass killers 307 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: really are if you just got to know them. 308 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: Well, there's another report circulating that a manager at the 309 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: bar and again Cards started with a bowling alley, then 310 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: made his way to a local bar and Grill did 311 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: try to stop Card with a knife, but he was 312 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: killed His father is confirming that he learned that his 313 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: son died in the hospital and likely tried to stop card. 314 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: But knife versus gun, and. 315 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: That often doesn't work, especially you know those semi automatic 316 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: guns that these that these killers typically have. 317 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the white flags, red flags? 318 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: All these laws? Well, what's the point of the laws? 319 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: The laws don't work if you don't execute the procedure. 320 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: What's the point when the military says, hey, this guy's 321 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: really crazy, even by military standards, he's nuts. I mean, 322 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: he's trained to kill, and we don't want to be 323 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: around him. Right, We're all trained to kill, and we 324 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: don't want to be around him. So put him in 325 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: a mental institution. Two weeks later, he's out. He's hearing voices, 326 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: He's hearing voices, and he wanted to kill everybody at 327 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: the at the army base. Yeah, let them go. It's 328 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: not fair. So are we ever going to hear the 329 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: names of the people who let him go? I'd love 330 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: to hear there. I want to see the weasels like 331 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: on this. So they got to show the. 332 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: Records and his capment and what happened when he was 333 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: at that psych hospital. 334 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: The hearing voices, it's most likely schizophrenia. And there's nothing 335 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: you can do about schizophrenia but pump him up with 336 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: a lot of pills, and they don't take the pills. 337 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: So we're stuck with all these schizophrenics and you know, 338 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: a little tiny percentage of them are going to go 339 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: off and we're gonna go, oh, what happened. We know 340 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: what to do, we just don't do it. And that's 341 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: true in so much these days. We know what's wrong, 342 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: we know what to do, we refuse to execute the 343 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: obvious plan. 344 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: We just refuse to I guess we're going to find 345 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: out just how well he planned his escape here, because 346 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 2: he could be gone for quite a while if he 347 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: did a quite a job at figuring out how he 348 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 2: could remain undetected. I've seen for all the voices in 349 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: his head drive him to do something that makes him 350 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 2: more publicly appearing. 351 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: I've heard stories that they're looking to see if he 352 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: went off on a boat, if he went off on 353 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: a jet ski. I mean everything, because he had access 354 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: or owned all of these possibilities. 355 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was looking at Lewiston, mate, it's not 356 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: that far from the water. So when he made his 357 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: way to other towns, but all right, we got more 358 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: coming up. 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If 366 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: there is anything new on the hunt for the mass 367 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: shooter in the state of Maine, we'll bring it to you. 368 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: But as of right now, that whole area is in 369 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: a lockdown. People are sheltering in place, and there's hundreds, 370 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: hundreds of police and other officials searching for this man 371 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: by the name of Robert Card who killed eighteen they believe, 372 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: and wounded at least thirty. So anything happens between now 373 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: and the time we're all our show today, we'll bring. 374 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: You the updates. 375 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: We'll probably talk about this a bit later on too. Yesterday, 376 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: during this hour, of course, our big story was the 377 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: press conference from the La County District Attorney Gasconne where 378 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: he walked out there and announced that there were four 379 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: counts of malice murder and four counts of gross vehicular 380 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: manslaughter against the twenty two year old Fraser Michael Bohm, 381 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: who drove his car they say, at one hundred and 382 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: four miles per hour on Pacific Coast Highway at Malibu, 383 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: lost control and ended up hitting a bunch of cars 384 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: and killing four Pepperdine students. That was the big story 385 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: at one o'clock. Well, in the last hour of the show, 386 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: three o'clock, the attorney from Boom came on the show, 387 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: Michael Krout, and he put a twist in the story, 388 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: claiming number one, the car wasn't traveling that fast, and 389 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: claiming number two, his client was a road rage victim 390 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: and was trying to get away from a crazy person. 391 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: Some incident happened at a traffic light in front of 392 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: Duke's restaurant. And if you can believe this story from 393 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: the defense attorney and he says it's a bomb. Story 394 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: is that Bom is sitting at the light and he's 395 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: texting and he looks to the side and there's an 396 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: angry guy in the car next to him. He's angry 397 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: that Bam is texting. 398 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: People are like that yep, light turns green. 399 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: Boom takes off and this guy follows him closely and 400 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: they hit high speed. Boem thinks he's being chased, and 401 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: then Boom gets sideswiped, nudged hit and that loses control, 402 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: loses control, and that sent him into the parked cars 403 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: and then the parked cars hit those four girls and 404 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: killed them. Now that's the story, and the attorney, Michael 405 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: Krapp said they know who this other driver is, that 406 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: he's got a history of aggressive road rage acts, and 407 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: that he was trying to give this information to the 408 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: Sheriff's deputies and the DA's office and nobody was listening 409 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: to him. 410 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 411 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: The story is also that he told a family member 412 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: when he saw the story, oh that's yeah, I got 413 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: involved in that. Yeah, when he saw the story about 414 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: what Boem did with the car. 415 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: Now are the Sheriff's deputies investigating that angle? Is gascone 416 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: putting the brakes on this case? 417 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: All he said at the news conference is there welcome 418 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: to come and bring their information. And then I heard 419 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 2: it also last night as well. They'd have to prove 420 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: what they're saying. Of course, our case against Boem. If 421 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: they want to show us that something else happened, they 422 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: have to bring the proof. 423 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's got to prove their case, right. 424 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: But I mean if you also think the Sheriff's department 425 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: investigators should have been thorough and yeah, checked out that lead, right, 426 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: I know the story they said Boehm was trying to 427 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: tell them, and they did. 428 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: They werone a bit of it in the report, but 429 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: somehow it didn't rise to the level of a full 430 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: investigation before they charged the crimes. We reached out to 431 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: some people in the in Gasco and well in the 432 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: District Attorney's office, and I'm not going to mention any names. 433 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to read any of the messages we got. 434 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, but you want to know this, do you 435 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: remember Let's see, this goes back to August. There was 436 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: a speeding driver who collided with an Uber vehicle. This 437 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: would have been the August thirtieth, roughly, and three women died. 438 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: The driver who precipitated the collision is Gregory Black and 439 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: he killed Juvelin Arroyo, Veronica Amazzola and Kimberleary as Cordero. 440 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: And he was speeding in a white Mercedes Benz early 441 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: Saturday morning, ran multiple red lights. He t booned the 442 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: uber with the three women in it at the corner 443 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: of Century in Vermont. He was traveling at one hundred 444 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: miles an hour in a thirty five mile zone. Everybody 445 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: died at the scene. Now, Gregory Black survived, but the 446 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: three girls died at the scene. The quote from the 447 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: LAPD detective Ryan Marino, It's obvious when you see these videos, 448 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: it's vehicular homicide all the way. It looks like a 449 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: bomb went off. This guy also has a he was 450 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: on probation, and he's got an extensive criminal history and 451 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: a gang member. Why did Gregory Black get vehicular homicide 452 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: charges and Fraser Bone get murder charges? Now, in this 453 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: case you have Gregory Black is black, the the victims 454 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: are Hispanic, and in the case of Trevor Boom, he's white, 455 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: wealthy from Malibu. Is this a sign of Gascon's uh 456 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: disparity when it comes to charging people? 457 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh? 458 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: But what what? What? What? 459 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 5: Was? 460 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: What is significantly different about these cases of anything? The 461 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: Gregory Black case is worse because he has a long 462 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: criminal history, because he was on probation and uh, he 463 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: ran multiple red lights. What did they charge him with 464 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: vehicular manu vehicular manslaughter, gross vehicular manslaughter. 465 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: They charged Boom with that in addition to murder. That's 466 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: like I remember when Gascon was asking the jury pick 467 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: and he said they can take both or either or right? 468 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: So why why the disparity here? 469 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: And I don't know, they're saying that that Boehm had 470 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: a complete disregard for life. He knew this stretch of pch, 471 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: he knew he was speeding. He admitted these things. So 472 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 2: did Black you run multiple red lights at I don't 473 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: know what Black said to them though, see right, sounds 474 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: like Bohm was talking to investigators at the scene. 475 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, but when you're going one hundred miles an hour, 476 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: you know that you're driving at a speed that shows 477 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: indifference to human life. Oh, he should have been charged 478 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: with Yeah, it's it's it's the same case. So I'm wondering, 479 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: is it is it some kind of a race issue 480 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: with Gascon because everything about him has been about race 481 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: for the for the whole three years that he's been 482 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: DA Did He's come out with a big press conference 483 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: over that arrest of that guy that I remember remember now, 484 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: we did cover that story brief a couple of times, 485 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: right brief because we knew there was a gang member 486 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: on the probation. So here we go again. Did that 487 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: play into the charges? Whatever Gascones prejudices are. And it 488 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: is also now running for reelection, so he does the 489 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: tough guy press conference. If there's there's got to be 490 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: something to the story of the second driver, and there's 491 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: something about them putting this case together in five days, 492 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: And during the press conference, reporters are going, well, what 493 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: about the road rage? R ch k t l A 494 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Channel five was just in here, So I'm not being 495 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: on the four o'clock newscast on Channel five about what 496 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: we just talked to recipes. 497 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: Which I heard you say thanks to somebody. So yeah, 498 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: they left your mic on there during the break, yeah, going, oh, 499 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: thank you very much, Like, oh yeah, I know that's right. 500 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: Good things, nothing nasty slipped out. 501 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: I know. You know what, right one day now they're 502 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: asking about the ten Freeway where the had those thieves 503 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: pile out of a car and rob the driver on 504 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: the side of the road. 505 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: Oh that story, okay, you know it's weird. We were 506 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: going to talk about that in a few minutes. Oh, first, well, 507 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 2: we want to tell everybody the exciting news first, all right, 508 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 2: so holvery we will you get the trumpets out. For 509 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: the fifth year in a row. LA is the number 510 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: one city in the nation when it comes to organize 511 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: retail theft. 512 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: Woo, Yeah, how about that. 513 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: The annual report comes to the National Retail Federation, which 514 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: surveyed one hundred and seventy seven brands. I guess those 515 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: are stores found the average shrink rate climbed from one 516 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: point four percent and twenty one to one point six 517 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 2: percent in the last year. And shrink, of course, is 518 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: the theft industry term for lost inventory. They say it's 519 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: about thirteen billion dollars and losses eighteen billion dollars. 520 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: They should say losses. 521 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're number one, right, and all that stuff 522 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: is resold, so maybe a day scout, but that's still 523 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: billions of dollars that the thieves are making, which is 524 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: why they do it, because none of them go to 525 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 2: jail or they don't go very long. Yeah, that's why 526 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: it's fashionable because again these are low level, non serious, 527 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 2: non violent crimes, so we just treat those with the 528 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: see you later if we touch people, and I think 529 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: that's the thing now, I don't think a lot of 530 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: them are being reported. There's really real sense. 531 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: No, No, that's why all the statistics are fake. But 532 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: that's by design. They know if they allow mayhem. And 533 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: there are so many thefts that eventually the store managers 534 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: are going to stop reporting them. Why bother because it's 535 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: not a crime anymore. You could still you know, it 536 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: could still almost one thousand dollars worth of stuff. You're 537 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: not going to jail. Nobody's gone to jail for stealing 538 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: less than a thousand dollars. 539 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: We beat out San Francisco, Oakland they were number two, 540 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: then Houston, New York, Seattle, Atlanta, the usual place. So 541 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: if you have a theft gang, think of the economics 542 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: of this, because the people running these theft gangs they're 543 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: pretty smart businessman. You send thirty guys out there to 544 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: steal thousands and thousands of dollars worth of stuff, You 545 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: dress them identically in hoodies, black clothing. They all scurry 546 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: out and jump into cars and take off in all 547 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: different directions. How are you ever going to round them 548 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: all up and figure out who stole what? It's brilliant, 549 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: you're not. 550 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: So you get one hundred percent of the revenue here 551 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: you give those guys, you know, a nominal amount because 552 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: they're just local street goons. Right. 553 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they drive to some warehouse and just dump all 554 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: the stuff on somebody who sells it as fast as possible. 555 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: Right. Much of it is resold online too, so it's 556 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: a great business. 557 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 558 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: If you're buying this stuff online, you are adding to 559 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: the problem. That's the only thing. 560 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Guess going We'll say, or some of these idiot politicians 561 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you know, you really got to 562 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: be careful where you're buying these goods from when you 563 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: go online. Yeah. Right, it's our fault, you got us. 564 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 5: Huh. 565 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're the criminals. We're the bad guys, sure, because 566 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: we buy something online and we don't check the pedigree 567 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: where it's from. 568 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: Eighty eight percent of retailers report that shoplifters overall are 569 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 2: somewhat more or much more aggressive and violent compared with 570 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: just eight year ago. And that's the people with the 571 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: smashing and sometimes the weapons that come charging in. 572 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: And that is the California legislature, the governor, the city councils, 573 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: the county supervisors here and everywhere, the George Gascons of 574 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: the world, the week police departments, the week police chiefs 575 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: like Michael Moore, the week sheriffs like Robert Luna week 576 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: week week. Let them, oh, wait, we're going to have 577 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: a blue Ribbon panel commission. And then they you know, 578 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: they'll arrest you know, ten to fifteen guys and they'll 579 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: get thirty days in jail and bill they'll be back 580 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: in business in a month. 581 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's play this story from ABC seven 582 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: reporter Jasha Patel, because you kind of come buying things 583 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: here cars southern California, the freeways, chases and what do 584 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: you know, now, an intentional crash followed by a robbery. 585 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: It's a really weird story. And here it is, I 586 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: got everything. 587 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 4: A driver or passenger in a passing vehicle recorded this 588 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 4: video and you can see four masked people wearing dark 589 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: clothing get out of a minivan and run towards the car. Accident. Now, 590 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: HP says the driver of a black Dodge Caravan intentionally 591 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 4: crashed into a black Alpha Romeo sedan right before the robbery. 592 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 4: You could see the driver of the car kneeling with 593 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 4: both hands in the air as the suspects began stealing 594 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 4: things out of his car. SHP says, The suspects were 595 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 4: armed with a hammer and crowbar, and a witness who 596 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: doesn't want to show his face on camera, spoke with 597 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 4: Eyewitness News about this robbery. 598 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 5: It seems like they knew who what he had in 599 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 5: his car. I felt really bad for him. I thought 600 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 5: they was over for him. But he did the right thing. 601 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 5: He put his hands up, he let them take what 602 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 5: they took, and that's that's the safest way he could 603 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 5: have done it. I thought it was on the movie 604 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 5: scene or something. I thought it was a ought to 605 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 5: get paid for acting or something. But it was real 606 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 5: as it gets, because that's how it is in Los Angeles. 607 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 4: HP says the suspects got away in a white Chevrolet 608 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 4: Malibu and were last scene traveling eastbound on the ten. 609 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 4: Fortunately no injuries were reported, but the suspects have not 610 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 4: been found. It's unknown at this time what exactly was 611 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: stolen from the car or if there's a connection between 612 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 4: those suspects and the victim. 613 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: And if you look at the video, it does almost 614 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: look like it's a movie scene because they're all a 615 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: dressed in these dark hoodies and the way they run 616 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: up to the Alpha Romero and just start taking stuff 617 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: out of it. 618 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: So this is going to happen more and more because 619 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: for the bad guys who haven't thought of this idea, 620 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, right, sure, you have an expensive luxury 621 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: car flying down the highway, let's bump them, pull them. 622 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: He pulls over to the side of the road because 623 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to be charged with hit and run, right, 624 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: and then you surround him. Big burly guys come out 625 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: and you're standing there terrified. 626 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: Do you think though, that they knew who he was 627 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: and what he might have in that car. 628 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: He's got an expensive car. He's got it now from 629 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: area Romeo. 630 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: Maybe he's carrying cash from some business or something that 631 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: they knew about. They can't steal the car. 632 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: They banged the car, But if you target rich cars, 633 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: you're going to find a rich person inside. He might 634 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: take a watch. 635 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: Off of him. It's like they took stuff out of 636 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: the car. 637 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if they identified you 638 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: might be right. They might have identified something he brought in. 639 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: Maybe they followed him from an expensive shopping mall. 640 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: That's pretty common now, especially if people are carrying like 641 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: maybe they have a business and they're carrying deposits to 642 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: the bank, but from the bank. 643 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: But all this has been legalized. In effect, it's been 644 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: legalized because there's no prosecutions. There's no jail sentences. If 645 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: you get a jail sentence'ro out early. There's no effective deterrent, 646 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: there's no consequences. 647 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: So we have diversion. 648 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: Yes, we have diversion. Oh, we're gonna put them in 649 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: a diversion. 650 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: Pro versions like equity is that word we hate? 651 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, because all these words are BS words. They're 652 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: all nonsense concepts. They're all absurd concepts that people have 653 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: been bullied into embracing and acknowledging and repeating. This is 654 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: all nonsense. It has been it is allowed criminals to 655 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: run free and terrorize it. I'm not stopping. If somebody 656 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: bumps me, no, I will not. 657 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: I'm going under bender. Now you're gonna keep going. I'm 658 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: gonna keep going. 659 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna you go drive to the police station, to 660 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: the police station, or if the police come over the house, 661 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: I'll tell my story. But I what are they gonna 662 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: do to me compared to what those four guys can 663 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: do to me? 664 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: All right, more coming up. Johnny ken Cafi am six 665 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app. Hey, you've been listening to 666 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: the John and Ken Show. 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