1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You're not a believer in 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: nanny cams. You think it invades your child's privacy. I 3 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: hate to tell you this, but you're wrong. And this 4 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: is why two year old Decline oglesby. That's why a 5 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: two year old little boy screaming at the hands of 6 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: his babysitter while his parents see exactly what's happening in 7 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: real time. But guess what, they're an hour away. I mean, see, Grace, 8 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: this is crime story. Thank you for being with us 9 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in Sirius XM one eleven. First 10 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to our friends at WCTI. 11 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: Nanny is in custody and a family's in shock after 12 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: viewing that video. A newbern couple saw that video of 13 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: their home security cameras, the woman they hired to take 14 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,639 Speaker 1: care of their children holding down their toddler, forcing food 15 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: into his mouth, the child screaming and trying to get away. 16 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Newborn police saying that nanny is twenty five year old 17 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Lauren Rowe of newburn Tonight. She's in custody and facing charges. 18 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: When you see this video, you will agree a two 19 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: year old little boy screaming and the hands of his 20 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: own babysitter. Take a listen to this. This is the 21 00:01:50,760 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: nanny cam video. You ready and you can eat your No, 22 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: you are not doing it here? No, I don't know. 23 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: You can and eat your food. Yeah. It all starts 24 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: with the baby not wanting to eat. How many times 25 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: did that happen when I was raising the twins? How 26 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: about three or four times a day? But clamping their 27 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: mouth shut after you shove food down their throat, the 28 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: baby choking on the food, screaming when he can come 29 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: up for air, with the babysitters screaming at him. It 30 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. It's actually painful to 31 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: listen to. But this is the truth. Take a listen 32 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: to more of the nanny camp video. You want this? 33 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: Ease your booth? Do you want it? He's your booth? 34 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: Hey good? What do you want it? Take good? Do 35 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: you want this? Take her? Do you want it? Okay? 36 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: You don't. You don't want this? You don't want it? 37 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: He don't want it? Okay you can. You are hearing 38 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: a little baby declan, crying, and then the nanny starts 39 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: force feeding him as he gets the food choked in 40 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: his throat, and she holds his mouth shut. It just 41 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: so happens that mommy happens to look and see in 42 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: real time what's happening to her baby. Again, I'm Nancy Grace. 43 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 44 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to introduce you our all star panel, but 45 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 1: first I want to ask our pediatrician joining us, doctor 46 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: Free and Hess at pettymom dot com. Doctor Hass, thank 47 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: you for being with us. What is it about hearing 48 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: a baby scream? It didn't affect me before I had children. 49 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't like it, But once you have 50 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: children and you hear a baby scream, it literally it 51 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: just makes your skin crawl. What happens. It is absolutely 52 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: a parent or caregiver instinct. I think you're right people 53 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: people are bothered by it prior to but once you know, 54 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: not only am I a pediatrician and a pediatric emergency medicine, 55 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: but I am a mom as well, and I agree 56 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: it hit me differently. I saw children that had issues 57 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: and were abused or injuries prior to being a mom, 58 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: and then I saw them after, and it is very, 59 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: very different. It's just in the core of you to 60 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: have this feeling to protect and have this feeling of 61 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: anger when you see that somebody is hurting this innocent 62 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: child who has no ability to protect themselves from an adult, 63 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: and you just want to literally jump through the screen, 64 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: through the speaker, through whatever it is that you need 65 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: to jump through to help that child. That's just a 66 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: natural instinct, I think, once you start, once you have babies. Yeah, 67 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what happens, doctor Hess, but ever since 68 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: I had the twins, when I hear a child cry 69 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: it's on a plane, I mainly turn around. It's like 70 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: I can't stop myself and hearing Babe declin crying. It's 71 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: just you know, and I want to go to you 72 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: to Doug Burns joining me former federal prosecutor, prosecutor now 73 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: TV lawyer at Doug T. Burns Esquire on LinkedIn. Doug, 74 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know, have you 75 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: ever seen a prosecutor or a defense attorney act something 76 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: out or let something go in the courtroom? It's full time. 77 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: For instance, if we say, um, it takes two minutes 78 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: to choke somebody out, to strangle them dead, and then 79 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: the prosecutor, I guess we'll go with prosecutor holds a dummy. 80 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: You know, to look like a human for two minutes, 81 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: and that two minutes feels like forever in a courtroom. Yeah, 82 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: it's so interesting as that, because forget two minutes, you 83 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: could go with twenty seconds, fancy, and it's like ladies 84 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Right, you heard the twenty seconds elapsed, So 85 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: let's just take a look at that for a minute, 86 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: and now we're going to stay here for twenty seconds. 87 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: And it's an eternity and it really dramatically hits at home. 88 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: So in this particular case, when I was looking at 89 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: the fact, the amount of time that elapse is just 90 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: absolutely horrific, no question about it. And there's something about it. 91 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: Doug Burns, You've tried a lot of cases in federal court. 92 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: When you do a demonstration in court like we're about 93 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: to do right now with our listeners and viewers. I 94 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm about to play is about fifty seconds, 95 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: but it feels like fifty hours when you listen to it. 96 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Have you had that experiencing court, because I have many, 97 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: many times, and you know a number of I guess 98 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: clear lack of a description. One is you know a 99 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: picture is worth a thousand words. So the video in 100 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: this particular case. And again with any apologies for talking 101 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: X and oh, it's as opposed to the horrific emotion 102 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: of the parents and what they went through. But from 103 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: a courtroom xas and O's standpoint, the drama and impact 104 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: of this type of video would be devastating to the defense, devastating, 105 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: as you're talking. Doug Burns, Guys, Doug Burns and I 106 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: go way way back. He is a longtime federal prosecutor. 107 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: It's in his blood. His father was a federal prosecutor 108 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: as well. Wasn't he the A G and where where 109 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: he was? Thank you for asking my late dad. He's 110 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: gone to eight years now, but he was the video 111 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: Attorney General of the United States, which is the number 112 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: two law enforcement position in the country. Right, Yeah, exactly, 113 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: I knew that. You just had to refresh my recollection. 114 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: Spoken in a little bit exactly, but he was, he was. 115 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: He was a very effective deputy AG. Yeah. This thing 116 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: I want you to listen to is exactly what I 117 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: would play for a jury in an opening statement. Tyler, 118 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: if we could go out of order and you play 119 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: for me cut twenty one please m And you're hearing decline, 120 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: crying and he's having food shoved down his throat, and 121 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: then the babysittered cru the mouth shut and hover over 122 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: him with the fish stuck in his throat. I have 123 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: an all star panel for you, but let me go 124 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: right now to a very special guest joining us. Laura 125 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: Oglesby is baby Declan's mother. Laura. Thank you for being 126 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: with us, Thank you for having me, Laura. I want 127 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: to take this in the order of what you saw 128 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: that day, what's the first thing you saw on the 129 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: nanny cam, and what led you to look at the 130 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: nanny cam. So it's not necessarily a nanny cam. It's 131 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: those security cameras that I have throughout the house, and 132 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: she's all aware of them. I checked them religiously because 133 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: I've normally not away from my kids. I've had them 134 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: since they were born. We're just doing renovations, so I 135 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: was unable to have them in the bars. It's unsafe, 136 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: but every break I have I normally check on them. 137 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: While whenever I pulled up my camera, it was facing 138 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: the front door, but I could hear screaming, so I 139 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: turned by camera and she actually had him in his 140 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: booster seats at the kitchen table and was yelling at 141 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: him and trying to force feed him in the booster seat. 142 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: And that's when we started running out of the bar. 143 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: And then she picked him up by his wrist. This 144 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: is all not shown on there yet. She picks him 145 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: up by his wrists and sticks him in his brother's 146 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: high chair, his little brother's won sticks him in his 147 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: little brother's high chairs to have more control over him. 148 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: And that's whenever the video starts. That's when the recording starts. Okay, 149 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: picking up by the wrist. Back to you, doctor Hess, 150 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: I've heard of I think it's called nanny's arm nursemaid's elbow. 151 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: And will you pull a child by the arm by 152 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: the wrist of the arm, and it actually loosens their 153 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: arm at the socket. It dislocates their radius at their elbow. Yeah, 154 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: it's actually a really common injury. Can happen pretty easily. 155 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: But you, I mean, doing something like that with full 156 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: weight can not only cause the nursemaid's elbow, but can 157 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: also cause fractures of the risk I mean, and that's 158 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: just the beginning of it. You know the part that 159 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: I saw where his arms are being pinned behind him, 160 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: that can cause significant physical injury. The part where he's 161 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: getting food shoved into his mouth not only can cause choking, 162 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: but because he's screaming and crying during it increases the 163 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: risk of aspiration where food can get down into his lung. 164 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: There is so much physical damage that can happen here, 165 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: and that's not even including the psychological damage. That's just 166 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: the physical damage that can happen here. It's horrifying. And 167 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: speaking of psychological damage, I was just about to go 168 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: to Doctor Teresa guil PhD, Professor Psychology, psychotherapist, twenty five 169 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: years working with child a beach and trauma victims. She 170 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: is also an author and you can find her at 171 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: Teresa guil PhD dot com. Doctor Gill. One of the 172 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: happiest moments that we have in our lives is when 173 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: we all get together for supper after we've been working 174 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: in at school, and I look forward to it all 175 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: day long. When the children were younger, I looked forward 176 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: to giving them their baths and eating. It wasn't really 177 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: supper time because they would you know, they didn't like 178 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: high chairs, so we would set them in their stroller, 179 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, totally surrounded by blankets and feed them a 180 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: double stroller twins, you know, at their pace, and it 181 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: meant a lot to me. And I wonder sometimes, doctor Gil, 182 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: if people don't have as they grow up eating disorders 183 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: because of the way they were fed when they were 184 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: a baby. I've never even seen a study on that, 185 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: but I've wondered about it. But doctor Gil, what does 186 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: this do to a child? Not only can kill the child, 187 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: but emotionally like single lot of what they talk about 188 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: today is that if a child feels scared and they 189 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: don't feel connected and safe, that it actually changes for 190 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: that period of time their autonomic nervous system and they 191 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: go into a stress response. Now what I saw that 192 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: was really lovely. So I've done studies on what makes 193 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: people resilient and not resilient, both in childhood as well 194 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: as adults. There were two parents that love this kid. 195 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace and back to Laura Oglesby, 196 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: this is Deacon's mom. When you saw that happening, what 197 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: went through your mind? We are not a lot of 198 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: people want to say that they would have you heard 199 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: the one They wanted to get home and get the 200 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: knee any whatever. That's the last thing I was on 201 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: my mind. I could care less about the nanny The 202 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: only thing that I was worried about is my children 203 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: getting to safety, like somebody getting there, getting the nanny 204 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: as far out of my house as possible, and then 205 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: being taken care of. Guys, take a listen to our 206 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: cut for the nanny camp video, or at least part 207 00:15:20,800 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: of it. You ready him and then come down done 208 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: hi you and then be all done, yeah, Hi, hi, Hafi? 209 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: Do you want to be all here? Ye? All hi 210 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: until you'll beat that, you all. And when you hear 211 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: Decline yelling out, addie, addie, he's calling for his daddy, daddy, 212 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: and you can hear where he starts actually choking and 213 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: gurgling up the food. This as mommy Laura Oglesby spots 214 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: what's happening on their security cameras and me tries to 215 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: rush home to save her two year old little boy, Declin. 216 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: You know I'm listening. Let me introduce the rest of 217 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: our panel. With me, of course, is Declin's mother, Laura Oglesby, 218 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: but also with me. Tampa Chiery, America's leading personal safety 219 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: expert and author of the Personal Protection Handbook. You can 220 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: find him at Tampa chery dot com. Doug Burns, former 221 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: federal prosecutor veteran trial lawyer, Doctor Teresa Gill, professor's psychology doctor, 222 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: free and hes pediatrician at pettymom dot com. Chris Buyers 223 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: joining US former police chief John's Creek, Georgia, twenty five 224 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: years on the beat, now private investigator at Chris Buyer's 225 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: investigations in polygraph dot com and Crime online dot com. 226 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Levi Paige to you, Chris Buyers, did you 227 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: ever see One flu over the Kuckoo's Nest? Did you 228 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: ever see that movie? Okay? Do you remember Nurse Ratchett? 229 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: Do you remember Nurse Ratchet? Do you remember what she 230 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: would speak to other people? She would be perfectly calm 231 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: and normal, but she was crazy and evil. Do you 232 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: remember her? Have you ever dealt, on all your years 233 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: in the force with somebody that when they're talking to you, 234 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: they're perfectly calm and normal, but you find out in 235 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: the course of your investigation they are pure evil. Yeah. Absolutely, 236 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: been in the interrogation room many of times and gotten 237 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: a completely different side of somebody than you know the 238 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: other testimony and video proved. So yes, been face to 239 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: face with that many times. You know how, I've seen 240 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: it a lot of times. Chris is in child abuse 241 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: cases where people would burn their children cigarette butts and 242 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: beat them into a coma child sex predators, but really 243 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: like parents or caregivers that beat the children or harm 244 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: the children. And I've seen it in domestic abuse, typically 245 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: with a husband or the male partner. They're so charming 246 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: and polite and kind when they're talking to you, but 247 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: then you look over at the woman or the child 248 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: and they're totally covered in bruises and broken bones and 249 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: fat lips. Something is not right, Buyers. Yeah, absolutely, and 250 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: you're exactly right. Domestic violence cases more often than not 251 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: have that exactly They present themselves just like that as 252 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: this charming person, and then you get to see that 253 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: other side. And child predators. I think it's just it's 254 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: part of their mo o that they do, is just 255 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: this overcharming of people outside of what is happening in 256 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: the private home and in private life. You know, we've 257 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: got a lot I've really educated people on our as 258 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: guests today, and I find out the more college education 259 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: you get, the less you believe in good and evil. 260 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: I really believe in good and evil. I think there's 261 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: good and bad in the world, and that good people 262 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: can somehow end up doing evil, horrible things like what 263 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: happened to baby Decline And if it had not been 264 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: for the mother who's with us today, Laura oglesby having 265 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: those security cameras in her home, we would never know 266 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: what happened. Baby Decla's not old enough to articulate. You 267 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: can't even say daddy correctly in this video. Anyway, he 268 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: couldn't tell mom what was happening. Tom pa Terry with Me, 269 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: America's leading personal safety expert and author of the Personal 270 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: Protection Handbook. Tom tell me about security cameras. I call 271 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: them all nanny cams. We've got our home totally tricked 272 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: out with nanny cams. Well, let's let's talk about what's 273 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: out there, all right, So there aren't the nanny cams 274 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: the best start of the the new pinhole cameras. You can 275 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: put them all over your house. You can use them 276 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: anytime I'm clicking on your phone and check in balance. 277 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: The key is whether you want people to know or 278 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: not know. So the old security adage is you know, 279 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: you keep from covert, you don't tell anybody. But the 280 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: new theory is if you have somebody, especially if they're 281 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: watching your kids or something, let them know they're in spotlight. 282 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: Let them know you can hear and see everything in 283 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: every minute, you know, So if you see something on 284 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: that camera, get on the phone, say what are you doing? 285 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: You know, and do it check in balance. But that's 286 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: one phase of it. And you know, you do the background, 287 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: that's another phase. But let me tell you what people 288 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: are doing now. You have the neighborhood watch. Right now, 289 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: people are calling a neighborhood responder. So all the parents 290 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: get together and say, okay, I'm working on this day, 291 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm off on this day, I'm you know, and they 292 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: figure out who's around. So let's say, in what happened 293 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: in this young lady's case, she has somebody she trusts. 294 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: She can now make the call for somebody to get 295 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: over that house now and check, you know, what's going 296 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: on and get ready to call the police. So people 297 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: are using their own resources of people they trust them 298 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: love to protect our kids. Remember, as parents, we are protectors. 299 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: So we're protective parents, but we need help. And help 300 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: is putting things in spotlight and using the people you 301 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: know and trust to help. You know, I'm like you, 302 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: Laura Oglesby, when the twins still had babysitters during the day. 303 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: I told the babysitters right up front, there's an anniecam. 304 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: I've got them all over the house. Just know that. 305 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: And I didn't suggest that they were going to do 306 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: anything bad or wrong. I just, you know, wanted it 307 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: very clear. I had my eyes on them. Twenty four seven, 308 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: three sixty five. Thank God in Heaven. Guys, take a 309 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: listen to our cut five. This is justin Lunday. W 310 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: I t N. I wanted to kick, I wanted to 311 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: come here, and I wanted to pin her down, and 312 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: I wanted to put foods in her mouth. That was 313 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: Laura Oglesby's initial reaction when she and her husband Max 314 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: took a people their out home security camera while that 315 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: worked Tuesday night to discover their nanny, Laura Rode, restraining 316 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: their crying two year old son, Declan and appearing to 317 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: force feeder. In the video, you can hear Declan struggling 318 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: against Rope as she appears to try and push chicken 319 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: pot pie into his mouth. Did you ever suspect your 320 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: nanny of doing something like this? No, of course, I mean, 321 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: you don't leave your child with someone who suspect would 322 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: harm them. So we had no thought process that she 323 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: would do anything like this or any complete shot, complete shot. 324 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to figure out, Laura Oglesby, when 325 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: you were racing home, trying to get home, what was 326 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: going through your mind? My child safety. I was wondering 327 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: what else was going on. I also was still watching 328 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: it live, so yeah, I mean I was just I 329 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: was at a loss. Guys, we are talking with Declan's 330 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: MoMA Oglesby. Leave pays joining me Crime online dot Com 331 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: investigative reporter or leave I take it from the top. 332 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: What happened? So? Max and Laura Oglesby lived in Newborn, 333 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: North Carolina, and they're renovating a bar that they owned 334 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: forty five minutes away in Washington, North Carolina. They took 335 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: a break from renovating, they decided to look at the 336 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: security cameras they have set up in the house and 337 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: October twenty six US when this happened. They discovered two 338 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: year old Declan screaming, no crying out for his daddy, sobbing, 339 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: and the nanny forced feeding him chicken pot pie. She 340 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: was also holding his arms behind his bat and also Nancy. 341 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: The most disturbing part to me is when she put 342 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: her hand over his mouth after forcing food into it. Okay, guys, 343 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: pinning a child's arms behind, it's back right there, Chris Buyers. 344 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of child abuse cases. When you're 345 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: pinning a child's arms back, that should be an internal 346 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: bill of alarm to you that what you're doing is wrong. Yeah. Absolutely, 347 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: Just you know, as a parent, I just cannot imagine 348 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: doing that to a child. And as a caregiver, she 349 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: knew exactly what she was doing that was injuring that child, absolutely, 350 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: And what is that joining us? Our psychologist psychotherapist, doctor 351 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: Teresa guil To exert to want to exert power and 352 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: control over your child. And I don't mean when they misbehave, 353 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: you don't swat them on the booty or give them 354 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: time out or take away a privilege. I'm not saying 355 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: don't discipline your child. They have to know don't run 356 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: out in the road, don't jump out of the car, 357 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: wear your seatbelt. They have to know certain rules to live. 358 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: But when you physically exert control over them, what is 359 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: that need inside an adult to do that to a child. 360 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: I think the thing that stood out for me the 361 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: most when I watched the video was how calm she was, 362 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: and unaffected by his cries. And she really believed the 363 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: word control comes up again. If you don't control you're 364 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: two year old, he will walk all over you. And 365 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe, and I've seen this before and working 366 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: with mothers or parents who have been abusive, that they 367 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: have any recollection nor any idea of what they have. 368 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: What they're doing is actually abuse. I'm sure if you 369 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: talk to her, she would say, I was disciplining him, 370 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: and I was teaching him right for wrong, and I 371 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: was making sure that he ate. And I was looking 372 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: at some of the Facebook comments from people and a 373 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: number of the Facebook and I usually go to Facebook 374 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: comments just to kind of gauge how people are thinking 375 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: on things. And one woman said that nanny was in 376 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: control and not abusive. He was just a spoiled child 377 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: and she just wanted him to take one bite. You know, 378 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: that's so interesting that you said that, doctor Gil, because 379 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: we recently covered the case where a cop and his 380 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: new wife took his natural son that he had from 381 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: his first wife and to discipline the child would make 382 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: him go sleep out in the garage at night to 383 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: discipline him, and he died. He died of hypothermia. It 384 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: was later discovered that he had been disciplined with beatings 385 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: and withholding food, all sorts of discipline that ended up 386 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: with the boy dead. And I have heard that same 387 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: sad song about just disciplining the child from so many 388 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: murderers that it actually makes me feel nauseous to hear 389 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: some uninformed person on Facebook say that. And just because 390 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: it's done in control, and it's not done with screens, 391 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: and it's done with thinking ahead of exactly what you 392 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: want to do, they think parents that it's not abuse, 393 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: it is punishment and teaching them right from wrong. Okay 394 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: to you, Laura, uncle spy, you're hearing what our Facebook 395 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: friends have to say about this. What's your reaction to that, Laura? 396 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: I I was trying to take everybody's comments with a 397 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: grain of salt. I mean, there's something that are really supportive, 398 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of people out there that 399 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: are saying like that mother shouldn't work, that they should 400 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: be at home taking care of their children, and that 401 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: nobody else should be taking care of your children for you, 402 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: and that my child is a brat, and that several, 403 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean several mean things have been said, but I'm 404 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: just trying to go let it brush off my shoulder 405 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: because clearly a lot of those people probably don't have kids. 406 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, Laura Ugglesby you says you're going 407 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: to take it with a grain of salt, as I 408 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: like to say, I'll take it with a box of 409 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: salt on that one. Guys, take a listen to our 410 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: cut seven. This is Kate Hussey WCTI. The couple's emotions 411 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: still running high thinking about the moment. Laura just happened 412 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: to pull up her home security camera footage on her 413 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: phone well at work Tuesday night to see their nanny, 414 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: who police confirm is twenty five year old Lauren Roe, 415 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: holding their child down in his highchair, forcing food into 416 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: his mouth. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys in this 417 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: case appearance race home to get to the scene as 418 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: quickly as they can. Take a listen our cut eight 419 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: News Channel twelve. The couple filed a police report with 420 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: a Newburn police the very next day. She came highly 421 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: recommended our background was clear and there were no red 422 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: class I'll until that point, no Row even had a 423 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: profile oncare dot com. The company tells me the background 424 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: check all caregivers a process that includes running a social 425 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: Security number trace, checking national sex offender public websites, performing 426 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: multi jurisdictional criminal database searches, and going through both federal 427 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: and county criminal records. To you, Laura Oglesby, how did 428 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: you find this babysitter? So? I went on to a 429 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: Facebook mom's group and I saw that she had been 430 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: recommended in there as a swim teacher for infants, and 431 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people were recommending her for that. And 432 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: then wherever I actually reached out to her to see 433 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: if she did nanny, she said that she had done 434 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: it for three years back in California. So we brought 435 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: her in for an inner view, and then after the interview, 436 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: I pree checked oncare dot com to make sure that 437 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: she's verified and everything, and she was, and so then 438 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: we ended up higher on you know, Doug Burns. We 439 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: have covered severalcare dot com cases, sure, and usually they 440 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: did not end up the way this case ended up. Guys, 441 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut fifteen. This is Heather 442 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: Lee a k m EG Fox forty four October twenty nine, 443 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: thirty three year old Rochelle Sap was watching three year 444 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: old Autumn Eldersma at her in home daycare center. A 445 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: court document, Sap called Autom's mother around nine o'clock that 446 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: morning to tell her Autumn had fallen down the stairs. 447 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: She said she would keep a close eye on Autumn 448 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: and give her some tile In all, not even twenty 449 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: minutes later, Sap called Autom's mother again to tell her 450 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Autumn was quote way out of it and that she 451 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: thought her neck was heard. Autumn's mother rushed to SAP's house. 452 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: Autumn was taken to Orange City Hospital, but because her 453 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: injuries were so bad, she was airlifted to a hospital 454 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: in Sioux Falls. Doctors there diagnosed her with the school 455 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: fracture and brain swelling. She died of her injuries October 456 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: thirty first. Sam's initial claimed that Autumn fell down the 457 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: stairs didn't match up with a medical opinion that the 458 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: little girl's injuries were not consistent with that kind of fall. 459 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: Stap later told police she threw the girl down hard 460 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: on the floor, causing her to hit her head because 461 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: she was frustrated with Autumn, who was having trouble getting 462 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: her jacket off. To Laura Oglesby the Autumn case, Little Autumn, 463 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: who died after being thrown down the stairs by her 464 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: babysitter after they had had an escalating argument over where 465 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: this little three year old, whether the little girl three 466 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: years old would wear her coat. And it's amazing how 467 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: an adult with a child, a two or three year 468 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: old child can have an argument escalate and the child 469 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: ends up dead. When you think back on what you 470 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: saw on your home surveillance cam, the argument escalating between 471 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: your baby, Declan just two years old, and Lauren Row, 472 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: the twenty five year old babysitter, can you imagine what 473 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: could have happened? Yeah, I mean that was honestly the 474 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: first one of the first things in it through my 475 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: head is that she could end up killing him like 476 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: that was one of the main reasons that I wanted 477 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: somebody here to take care of him and hurt on 478 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: because I didn't know what she was capable of after 479 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: that point. And we do have stairs at our house, 480 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: and she literally had no problem with sticking her hand 481 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: over his mouth and plugging his nose while he's also 482 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: sick and has a running nose so he can't breathe 483 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: out of it anyway. Laura, how has Decline behaved after 484 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: this incident? Every night since it all happened. She's been 485 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: waking up in the middle of the night, and it's 486 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: not a normal like toddlers sometimes will wake up in 487 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: fus He screams the bloody murder to the point where 488 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm almost scared to go, and there's I'm scared somebody's 489 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: in there with him. Then also now he if you 490 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: try to go up to him to like hand him 491 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: anything or ask him to come here, he'll run and hide. 492 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: I'll hide behind the couch, He'll hide behind if you're outside, 493 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: he hide behind the trees. And he has been attached 494 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: to my hip since this all happened. I cannot even 495 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: get out of his eyesight without him freaking out, you know, 496 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder what has happened before you 497 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: saw it on the video? What may have happened outside 498 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: the video eyeline? And that's what I was asking you earlier. 499 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: Tampa TII Safety Expert author Personal Protection Handbook. Where should 500 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: you place the videos? I call him all in Annie 501 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: cams a home surveillance secure videos. Where should they be? 502 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: You got to put them in direct angles where you 503 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: could cover the whole room. You know, most people see 504 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: exterior cameras. They may have one or two inside. But 505 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: for the cost of cameras today, and as small as 506 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: they are, I mean it's very cost effective. But when 507 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: they're placed or at the highest angle, that opens up 508 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: the whole room so you could see everything. Mommy races 509 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: home to try and save her two year old little 510 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: boy decline. Not everybody has been as lucky as Laura 511 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: oglesby Take a listen to our cut sixteen, A nanny 512 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: camera captures shocking images of a nanny named Dana Cash 513 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: allegedly shaking a one year old girl. Child's mother who 514 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to be identified and spoke to us exclusively. 515 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: I was appalled, She says. She first found this video 516 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: after her eight year old son, who witnessed the attack, 517 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: told her about it. After the mom found the video 518 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: and watched it for herself, she then showed it to Cash. 519 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: That baby was saved, much like Laura Ogles's baby was saved. 520 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: But we haven't all been so lucky. Take a listen 521 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: to our cut seventeen. When a mother checked in on 522 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: her two year old special need son from the nanny 523 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: can app on her phone. Something didn't seem right. I 524 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: saw her just looking at him, and I'm not doing 525 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: anything while he's screaming and crying, and I thought that 526 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: was odd. What Diana co was about to see next 527 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: would shake her to her core and change her life forever. 528 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: Diana quickly figured out the nurse who was supposed to 529 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: be caring for her son was beating him. The nurse's 530 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: abuse gets more savage. At one point, she rolls up 531 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: a magazine and uses it as a weapon. The excruciating 532 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: scene played out as Diana watched it live. She and 533 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: her husband were at least twenty minutes away. Diana and 534 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: her husband called nine one police race to the scene. 535 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: You see them arrive and arrest the nurse, making this 536 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: all the more horrific. You were hearing our friends just 537 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: then at cbslam before at ABC seven. Now take a 538 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: listen to our cut eighteen. ABC seven. Maria Gonzalez is 539 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: facing child's abuse charges after Livermore PD says the twenty 540 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: ye old nanny was caught on camera. Neighbors describe Gonzales 541 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: as smiling and bubbly. According to charging documents, on February eighteenth, 542 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: Gonzalez was caring for a thirteen month old boy. When 543 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: the boy's mom came home, she discovered abuse when she 544 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: watched nanny cam video. Specifically, Gonzalez was attempting to calm 545 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: the baby. When she placed her hands closer to the 546 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: baby's face, his cries went from clear and audible to muffled. 547 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: The baby began to squirm and kick and then went limp. 548 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: She was strangling and smothering the baby. All this was 549 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: revealed on nanny cam to Laura Oglesby, baby Declan's mother, 550 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: what do you have to say to those nonbelievers about 551 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: security cams? I think it's incredibly important because outside of 552 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: even if you don't have a nanny, you can still see, 553 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: like if your child somehow falls down and hits their 554 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: head and something's wrong with them, you can replaced back 555 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: the film and you can see what happened, and no 556 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 1: better on what you can tell doctors and emergency people 557 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 1: that come responders. I've all together. A security system is 558 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: so important in our day. So leave my page. What 559 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: is happening with this case? Well, Nancy, that nanny, Lauren Row, 560 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: twenty five years old, was arrested. She was charged with 561 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 1: misdemeanor child abuse, and thirty minutes later she posted bond 562 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: and was released two thousand, five hundred dollars and in 563 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: the state of North Carolina for misdemeanor child abuse. The 564 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: max that she can get is one hundred and fifty 565 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: days and Nancy her trial is scheduled to start March eight. 566 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfals. Nancy Grace comes to signing 567 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: off goodbye friendsh