WEBVTT - Riding the Crime Wave 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.080 You are listening to Waiting on Reparations production of I 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:20.320 Heart Radio. Sir, Waiting on reparations. Yeah, yeah, we're waiting 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:28.520 on reparations. I gotta stop, but probably not enough. Caring 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.479 what the signs say. Try to keep my hand on 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.800 right so I avoid the crime wave, whether a at 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.919 a party or I'm going to a dice game. My 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.440 mom breaks your time space for those who try and play. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.120 I escaping hot from Jake trotting like a fisting. They 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.960 stopped the frisking and tell the nigga stopped persistent, and 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.440 I'm only one man. Don't gotta shot against them. The 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.360 will ship all unite, everybody stopped the friction. Stop dropping listen. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.239 I'm on a mission. Can't take the heat. Get out 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:57.040 my mama's kitchen. I said, you can't take the heat, 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:03.840 get out my mom's kitchen. Yeah yeah, what up y'all. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.839 My name's Dope Knife Lingo Franca And we are waiting 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:15.520 on reparations to this day, to this day, to this day. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.520 How you doing, Mac, I'm good. I'm good. I had 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:25.160 a very sloppy fourth July weekend, but you know, I'm healthy, 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:30.760 I'm alive. Everything's intact as it were Oh snap. I 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.560 worked on a bunch of new music stuff over the 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:38.000 weekend too. That was fun, um surprisingly, putting together this 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:42.560 show every week and trying to make an album. It's uh, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.440 it's hard, it's hard. How are you doing? How's how 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.760 are you? A week removed from your first performance of 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.400 I'm in markedly less pain than I was the night 0:01:55.560 --> 0:02:03.960 of uh whatever that was? Yeah? Up, Yes, I came 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.640 home and I was in an unspeakable pain, um from 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.800 just jumping around stomping and flailing and ship. But I 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.160 got in the pool, went over my friend's pool yesterday 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.680 and floated and definitely was a far more therapeutic than 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.800 I had expected. I was like, my doctor recommended not 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.080 getting the pool, like that must be some kind of 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.480 placebo like duh, m you you're you know you have 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.240 a headache, drink more water, you know that kind of 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.160 ship like thanks bro. But no, I actually got in 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:37.000 the pool and it felt like it was zero fourth 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.160 of July where the July was. I um actually had 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.280 a baby shower and so I had a fucking shipped 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.960 out of people over my house. It was very it's 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:50.240 very overwhelming. I'm still getting used to that. Um. But 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.760 that was good, didn't really blow up anything. I'm not 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.240 super into that ship for myself particularly, you know, I've 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:04.000 never really been like that celebrity celebratory. Is that the 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.960 word of Fourth of July? It's always kind of you know, 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.400 Fourth of July and Thanksgiving just personally have always been 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.720 kind of holidays that are about family and friends, but 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:19.200 not necessarily about what they're meant for to me anyway, 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.000 take the excuse to get together with family. But I 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.000 don't want to talk about freedom like I mean, you know, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:32.360 I think of our Pilgrims influenced. Like I remember Iced 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.760 Tea when I was a kid and they used to 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.560 listen to him. He always used to like mention that 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.600 in a couple of albums you'd be like, yeah, man, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.880 bullshit as Thanksgiving, we was in chains back then, that ship, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:48.840 you know exactly. But um yeah, let's get into it. 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.520 We got a pretty dope stacked show for you today. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.360 We are going to be talking about a little theme 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.600 that has been recurring lately on the show in the 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.760 last few episodes, which has been in the increase in 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:08.280 violent crime and shooting that's been crime wave. Yeah, I 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.440 mean the violent crime or the murder thing at least 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.680 you know it's real, it's in the data. But like 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.000 one thing we know for certain is that the right 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.000 wing in this country is definitely going to start using 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.320 that whole spectra of mura I just said, crime wave 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.640 and that whole narrative, so they can like use that 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.360 as part of their strategy for the mid terms, whether 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.000 and even not just the midterms, but like local elections 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.680 that are going on now, might be going on in 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.520 town that you're in right now, listen to the show. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.040 So it's like important that we monitor these things and 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.320 prepare ourselves because who knows where they're gonna take it. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.640 You know, the Democratic Democrats there, you know they're gonna 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.279 go with the wind on it. So if the Republicans start, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.599 you know, effectively tagging them with that whole soft on 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.440 crime narrative, we know where this where they can go. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.280 It happened in the nineties, and we've got the fucking 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.800 dude who did it as president right now. So the 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.600 way I see it, if the messaging is good enough 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.159 to scare enough people that Republicans start taking office again, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.479 and they're doing it all on the campaign of crime 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.719 is getting out of control, we need more cops. We 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.440 need cops to have even longer relation. They need to 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.320 be able to do more things and stopping first nationwide 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.880 all that search ship. I personally don't have any evidence 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:32.200 that suggests the Democrats wouldn't eventually go with that. It's 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.960 just further shifting that Overton window of everything being like 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.800 some fucking right wing nightmare, you know. So I think 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.280 it's something important to address, Yeah, for sure. So we're 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:47.080 talking about some crime statistics from around the country, our 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.120 thoughts on like why this is happening, as well as 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.240 a very variety of perspectives of those you know, with 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.680 various political agendas as well, and how they're kind of 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.720 spending the data towards their personal ends, um along the way. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.080 So yeah, in the music discussion, we're gonna dig into 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.040 some songs where m c s paint narratives and portraits 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.040 to maybe you know, get into the mindset of how 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.080 some of these violent situations happened in the first place. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.040 And all right, we'll get to all that after the jump. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.479 All right, so, you know, just a little recap because 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.000 we have been mentioning it in some episodes before, but like, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:29.640 how has this recent I guess surge in some of 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.240 this violent crime effected you and and where you're at 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.320 I mean I um, I would say the uptick in 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.280 violent crime as as as a commissioner I was hit 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.240 home for me in a number of ways, both in 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.400 terms of just interpersonally one on one with constituents, hearing 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.200 some of the stories they've told and how that's impacted 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:53.279 me emotionally, and then like in terms of community organizing. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.600 So on the one side, it's been really hard for me. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.880 And you know, particularly when we saw our big space 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.840 of shootings back maybe a month and month and a 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:07.000 half ago, getting calls every day from mothers who were 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.320 trying to relocate their children because their house that got 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.680 shot at the night before, talking to families of folks 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.720 who had not survived violent exchanges of gunfire. Um, and 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:18.800 these kids being very young and sort of just like 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.920 UM hearing I guess like one of the most impactful 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.080 things is hearing all the positive things as you see 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:29.120 in the newspaper, like oh, you know, you know thug 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.600 had like you know, previous gun chartists, whatever kind of 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.240 bullshit has drawn straight from the police report, and we 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:35.680 know the police lie. We know the police want to 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.040 tell the full story and so getting to hear from 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.840 these families about how like all the potential of these 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.800 young men had and like what they meant to their communities, etcetera. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.120 Like it on top of just like you know, it's 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.720 my job to like do constituent services, but like it's 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:56.600 sucking hard sometimes. And then I mean, particularly we've got 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.920 the violent crime in the community. But what's really unaccounted 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:02.680 for and on the day that we're gonna talk about 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:07.440 today as well as just um and in the national 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.200 rhetoric around this quote unquote carme wave is the amount 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.160 of like police violence and whether or not it has 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.920 gone up or down um during this time has a 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.920 different kind of harm For people who take on very 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.640 tough on crime stands, you know, siting community violence, they're 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.080 also leaving out like this other form of state violence 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.440 that then just perpetuates cycles of harm. Like you've got 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.560 people out here rob and stealing the salton people, and 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.800 then you got the police out here robbing people people. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.280 That's one of the things that you know, has me 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.920 particularly concern because it's like every every point within the 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.200 last like sixty years that we've had these sort of 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:52.560 like national upticks in crime or whatever, it has resulted 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.720 in police getting their leash, you know what I mean, 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.800 getting a longer a longer leash to to do their ship. 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.080 It's stuff that it's like, you know, policies that were 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.160 set in place back in like the sixties and eighties 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.640 and stuff like that. We're still like dealing with the 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.360 effects of that stuff now, you know what I mean. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.319 So it's like we don't want to have like another 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.560 you know round of that sort of stuff being institutionalized 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.679 and ingrained. Yeah, but I brought up a rise in 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.880 police violence, which I don't have any tats. I don't 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.320 know where we are at with regards to whether we 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.000 are seeing a decline or an increase or a stagnation. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.160 But I mean, honestly, the thing that impact me the 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.880 most is when that man was killed by the cops, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.240 like around the corner from my house. I also probably 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.840 about a month and a half ago, um, because like 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.160 it stays with me to this day thinking about, like 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.800 I found his Facebook be the man that lost his life, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.640 Like two days before this happened, he was posting on Facebook, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.640 like you know, can somebody cash at me in dollar 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.920 so I can go to the gas station and like 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.160 get some chips, like he was so desperate, like you know, 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.880 no likes, no comments or anything. And then you see 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.920 like in this is earlier, like as as you get 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.960 closer to when the ship went down, his sense of 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.360 aggravation that like nobody had his back, that he couldn't 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.680 get ahead in this world, that he couldn't provide for 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.760 his family. And then he then then there's a point 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.800 where like he posted a video where like it's kind 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.080 of clear he's snapped. And it stays with me, man 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.320 that like Nigga just as just need wanted a dollar 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.240 from somebody, reached out to the internet and not and 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.240 not a soul had his bag. And when we get 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.400 later into um and so eventually, yeah, like he was 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.439 rolling around the streets of the shotgun and tried to 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.800 rob the pool from the corner from my house, ended 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:47.040 up getting shot at police. Um. But yeah, when we 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.480 get into preventative solutions and prevention and solutions later, we'll 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.760 take a little bit more into the linkage between that 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.160 economic pecurity and the emotional state. Then people get in 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.360 and how it ends up with sad things like these 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.680 people people in our communities killing each other or people 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.480 were getting killed by the cops. Well, it's good that 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.360 you brought up, you know, checking the sources of some 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.480 of these numbers in statistics. So, American City saw thirty 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.480 three increase in homicides last year. And according to a 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.080 report produced by the Major Cities Chief Association, which is 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:24.520 this organization that's comprised of police executives representing the largest 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.880 cities in the United States and Canada. According to them, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.560 sixty three of the sixty six largest police jurisdictions saw 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.240 increases in at least one category of violent crime, in 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:41.440 which included homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault. Now this is 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.880 contested because like what's happening with with homicides isn't necessarily 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.640 part of the quote unquote crime wave. It's actually many 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.959 crimes from larceny to robbery to rape have all dropped 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.000 during that They all dropped during the pandemic, and they've 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.160 continued to fall during the first you know, a few months. 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:04.200 Also really important contextualize this in the in the historical 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.640 lens of the last forty or fifty years, because crime 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.880 is down from the nineties still um and so we 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.240 are seeing like we are seeing an uptick in some 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:20.680 forms of violent crime. Relative to like two thousand and nineteen. UM. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.959 But and it seems like, you know, because we've all 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.079 been in these little boxes for a year and a half, 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.160 Like it's shocking when it goes up a little bit 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:29.960 and like you're hearing about a lot of shootings in 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.360 the community, but news cycle and like how you know, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.640 you just you see more stuff now you see remember 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.440 what it was like in the nineties, Like you kind 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.400 of like either you get nostalgic about it and like 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.079 kind of look at it from that lens, or just 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.720 like it's hard to like recall how bad it used 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.600 to be. I mean for me, I was barely even 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.400 alive back then. Um, And so I've grown like during 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.320 the course of my life, crime has just fallen and 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.880 fallen and fallen in most major cities u um, the 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.320 entire time I've been alive. And so it's like, um, 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.079 I think it's hard for people to remember how far 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.640 we have come with regards to violent crime. UM, because 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.000 it's so shocking when it does slightly uptick as it 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.520 has in this like transition out of the pandemic time. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.640 Well a lot of it is messaging too, That's what 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.480 you know. I was barely alive back then too, But 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.839 I was a kid, you know, I mean like a 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.720 little kid, and it's like from what I remember comparing 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.280 it to now, is it was just the messaging of 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.880 it was a lot more deliberate back then, and now, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.920 whether it's deliberate or not, it's just more ubiquitous now, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.960 you know, like back then in order to like be 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.000 ginned up and scared about, like, oh, crime is increasing, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.679 crime is increasing. It's like you have to be watching 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.640 the news, you know, and it's like now you've got Facebook, 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:51.160 you've got um Twitter, you've got Instagram, and it's like 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.360 you you know, if you just like scroll in it 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.439 or you look at the trending topic, is like depending 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.200 on what city you're in, like stuff is gonna be trending. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.480 Local news stories are gonna be trending. And it's just 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.960 like a saturation of it that if you spend even 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.400 a few minutes looking at it, you're like, oh, man, 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.800 ship is out of control. There's just like there's just 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.280 like people are going crazy left and right. It's like, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.839 you know, when it's really just isolated stories, but you're 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.160 getting bombarded with all these different all this you know, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.200 different media and messaging that you kind of go along 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:21.840 with the flows, like, oh, man, I guess we have 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.360 a crime wave like that. I mean, so I guess 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.720 the broader category of violent crime has only really increased 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.480 about three percent this year according to preliminary data from 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.400 the FBI on a large subset of cities, But it's 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.960 homicides in particular that have increased as other crimes. Foll. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.320 I think with this the fact that like, yeah, it 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.040 seems like things are going crazy because like one homicide 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.840 is enough, Like there's no acceptable number of people to 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.600 lose their lives ever. Um. And so if you hear 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.800 about you know, six, it might be less than you 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.640 had heard about growing up. But I mean, from my perspective, 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.480 it's like that's six families at six schools that lost 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.800 the student, the six churches that lost you know, a member, etcetera. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.280 It's a whole bunch of lives ruined. Yeah. And and 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.880 then beyond that, beyond like the very real impact of 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.520 like yo, I'm not I'm not downplaying this because homicide 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:22.120 is incredibly um, it's just incredibly painful for a community 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:27.520 to experience. Um. Also the fact that it gets clicks 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.520 when things like people are scared so when they hear 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.760 of always homicides like this, stay glued to their TV 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.640 and not to see their ducal acts, commercial or whatever 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.480 because they're like fucking freaked out that it seems like 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.440 the crime surgy. So I wanted to run this by you. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.960 It's something that I came across in CNN, and it 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.040 just I just wanted to get what your thoughts were 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.280 about it, all right, So in this article in CNN, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.360 they were saying, experts point to a perfect storm of 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:00.920 factors economic collapse, social anxiety from the pandemic, d policing 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.680 in major cities after protests that called for the abolition 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.440 of police departments, shift in police shifts and police resources 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.240 from neighborhoods to downtown areas because of those protests, and 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.000 the release of criminal defendants pre trial or before sentences 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.960 were completed to reduce the risk of COVID spread in jail. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.920 All may have contributed to a spike in homicides. Now, says, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:28.200 COVID has seemed to exacerbate everything. Officers sometime had to 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.080 quarantine because of exposure to cases in their ranks, reducing 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.440 the number of officers available in patrol. The reason that 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.400 I wanted to ask you about your thoughts of that 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.160 is like as an abolitionist, like what do you say 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.160 to like something like that, say to what part specifically? 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:50.240 So specifically the you know, the rationale that officers having 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.280 to quarantine during COVID, so they're having to reduce the 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.240 number of officers out their fault because these dumb asses 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.760 don't wear any fucking masks anywhere they go. No, no, no. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.920 But I was saying, like them saying that contributed to 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.240 an increase of crime. I mean I don't believe. I 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.320 don't believe police prevent crime, and so I don't believe 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.760 that excuse. Um they I mean, it might have affected 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.040 their response rates with regards to following up after crimes 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.120 have already occurred, because that's all they fucking do. Um, 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.480 But I don't think that. I don't buy. I don't 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.480 buy that excuse because I think it's it's propaganda to 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.320 get some more money. That's what they want you to think. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.920 The same thing with the whole the policing arguments, like well, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.040 we were all demoralized and you all didn't want the 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.800 cops around, so we you know, we pulled up, you know, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.400 we like you know, rolled up our carpet and went home, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.119 took our ball, went home, and that caused an increasing crime. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:47.000 It has study done in Kansas City. I can't remember 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.000 quite when it was pretty old, and you know, I 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.240 don't know if it had been duplicated empirically so the 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:58.200 findings of it could be considered pulmonary, but they had 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.520 um They did an experiment to see the effects of 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.080 police visibility on crime rates and three different zones in 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.200 the city. It's an extra cops to one zone, they 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.920 kept another zone the same, and then they sent out 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.880 less cops to a third zone. And they found no 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:21.840 substantive difference in the reported rates of victimization, crime rates, 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:27.040 um increase in traffic fatalities anything like literally not like 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.640 it did not impact at all the degree to which 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.960 crime was happening or people were being victimized in these 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.560 three different areas of the city of Kansas. I don't 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.560 know why people have this like imagination that should have 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.399 fucking gangs in New York and like, you know what 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.240 I mean, there's like roaming street gangs for us to 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.240 need like patrolmen just all all over the place, you 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:47.960 know what I'm saying. It's like, what are they really 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:52.760 preventing Are they really preventing anybody from doing anything illegal 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.200 that they're going to do anyway you wait for the 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:59.879 cop car to go buy yeah, or you know, or 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.960 just do it blunt, like straight up in their face 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.920 because they ain't scared of them or like whatever. Um 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.240 and in its acts of like oh you need fear. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.720 Let's talk about how all we far we have fallen 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.639 if the we believe the only way we can get 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.480 people to not do bad things is scare them with punishment, 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.000 like that's I think it's a scess, really sassinated affairs 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.080 because a lot of people who don't do crimes because 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.879 they don't hurt other people and as an ethos that 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:32.040 we are failing through preventative means to like fully seed 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.840 in the culture. I don't think it's and I don't 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.000 think it's impermeable. I don't think's immutable. I don't think 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.800 it's like, oh, we can't change it. We have to 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.440 rely on police because people don't care about each other. 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.200 It's just like a failure to like believe that people 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.160 aren't naturally like that and it's something socialized into them 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.119 that can be socialized out in a generation or so 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.879 if we were just like focused on having that as 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:01.200 a component of education, etcetera. Anyway I'm going off are like, yeah, 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.919 I mean any sort of pretty much anything cops have 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:05.600 to say about white crimes going up. I don't care 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.480 because they're allowing to get more money and I don't 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:12.960 care about them. So so Um. In Chicago, homicides are 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.639 up thirty three in the first three months of the 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:20.320 year compared to while shootings are up nearly in the 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.399 same period year over year. In New York City, the 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:28.040 NYPD DADAS shows murders jumped by nearly fourteen percent through March, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.160 the latest number of the department is made public, while 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.920 shootings were up nearly fifty Again, those are all yeah, 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.520 police numbers also year over year numbers, so compared to 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.520 when everyone was inside and not like taking the against 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.000 the cloud or whatever. Yes, homicides are up, but let's 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.560 look at those numbers from let's say, right, um, and 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.600 so yeah, it's shocking because like life is going back 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.680 to normal. Um and but like the bottom has fallen 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.680 out of our economy and the social fabric of our communities, 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.959 and so people are you're fucking they're getting out back 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.840 in the streets and then they're killing each other dubb 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.040 bit like it's unfortunate, but like what y'all thing is 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.719 gonna happen if niggas be inside for a whole year 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.719 and a half, lost their job, have to stay at 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.760 home with their kids because the kids are aline school. 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.800 They ain't got no you know, I ain't got no money, 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.120 so they like, you know, economic that economic exactly talking 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:29.000 about the funk house, you think gonna happen. But still 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:30.720 it's not as quite quite as bad as we may 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:35.200 have seen thirty or four years ago. Um Dida also 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:40.000 show that there's the rising homicides likely translated into an 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.520 additional fourth house, and our five thousand people killed across 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.680 the country compare with the year before. According to early estimates, 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.199 cities that have never seen decreases in gun violence to 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.399 match the overall national trend were hit especially hard to 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.720 places like Philadelphia and St. Louis were clearmed returned close 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:58.880 to the historic ties for the number of people killed 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.240 in a single year, according to the Philadelphia inquir and 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.560 the St. Louis Post Dispatch. Early data suggests that the 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.680 homicides increase isn't necessarily happening at random. But that the 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:14.520 additional violence is clustered in disadvantaged neighborhoods of color, that 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.080 we're already struggling with higher gun rates of violence before 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.440 the pandemic even happened. So that's according to UH criminologist 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.480 Richard Rosenfeld, who has done who's authored multiple national reports 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:29.479 on crime and violent trends. So have you your you know, 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:34.640 obviously we talked about some of those personal UH instances, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.119 but just overall, like, have you noticed like or or 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.359 heard of any sort of UH national carry through and 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:46.359 have that affecting Georgia. Honestly, what I'm seeing is a 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.439 kid to what we see, Like we see a spiking 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.560 crime every summer, and be it kids are out of 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:56.280 school and acting up in the streets more. There's more 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:00.080 parties in the summertime, and so people get intoxicated it 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:03.639