1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: You are listening to Waiting on Reparations production of I 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Sir, Waiting on reparations. Yeah, yeah, we're waiting 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: on reparations. I gotta stop, but probably not enough. Caring 4 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: what the signs say. Try to keep my hand on 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: right so I avoid the crime wave, whether a at 6 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: a party or I'm going to a dice game. My 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: mom breaks your time space for those who try and play. 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: I escaping hot from Jake trotting like a fisting. They 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: stopped the frisking and tell the nigga stopped persistent, and 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm only one man. Don't gotta shot against them. The 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: will ship all unite, everybody stopped the friction. Stop dropping listen. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: I'm on a mission. Can't take the heat. Get out 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: my mama's kitchen. I said, you can't take the heat, 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: get out my mom's kitchen. Yeah yeah, what up y'all. 15 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: My name's Dope Knife Lingo Franca And we are waiting 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: on reparations to this day, to this day, to this day. 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: How you doing, Mac, I'm good. I'm good. I had 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: a very sloppy fourth July weekend, but you know, I'm healthy, 19 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm alive. Everything's intact as it were Oh snap. I 20 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: worked on a bunch of new music stuff over the 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: weekend too. That was fun, um surprisingly, putting together this 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: show every week and trying to make an album. It's uh, 23 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: it's hard, it's hard. How are you doing? How's how 24 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: are you? A week removed from your first performance of 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm in markedly less pain than I was the night 26 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: of uh whatever that was? Yeah? Up, Yes, I came 27 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: home and I was in an unspeakable pain, um from 28 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: just jumping around stomping and flailing and ship. But I 29 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: got in the pool, went over my friend's pool yesterday 30 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: and floated and definitely was a far more therapeutic than 31 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: I had expected. I was like, my doctor recommended not 32 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: getting the pool, like that must be some kind of 33 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: placebo like duh, m you you're you know you have 34 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: a headache, drink more water, you know that kind of 35 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: ship like thanks bro. But no, I actually got in 36 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: the pool and it felt like it was zero fourth 37 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: of July where the July was. I um actually had 38 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: a baby shower and so I had a fucking shipped 39 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: out of people over my house. It was very it's 40 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: very overwhelming. I'm still getting used to that. Um. But 41 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: that was good, didn't really blow up anything. I'm not 42 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: super into that ship for myself particularly, you know, I've 43 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: never really been like that celebrity celebratory. Is that the 44 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: word of Fourth of July? It's always kind of you know, 45 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: Fourth of July and Thanksgiving just personally have always been 46 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: kind of holidays that are about family and friends, but 47 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily about what they're meant for to me anyway, 48 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: take the excuse to get together with family. But I 49 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about freedom like I mean, you know, 50 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: I think of our Pilgrims influenced. Like I remember Iced 51 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Tea when I was a kid and they used to 52 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: listen to him. He always used to like mention that 53 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: in a couple of albums you'd be like, yeah, man, 54 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: bullshit as Thanksgiving, we was in chains back then, that ship, 55 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: you know exactly. But um yeah, let's get into it. 56 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: We got a pretty dope stacked show for you today. 57 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: We are going to be talking about a little theme 58 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: that has been recurring lately on the show in the 59 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: last few episodes, which has been in the increase in 60 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: violent crime and shooting that's been crime wave. Yeah, I 61 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: mean the violent crime or the murder thing at least 62 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: you know it's real, it's in the data. But like 63 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: one thing we know for certain is that the right 64 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: wing in this country is definitely going to start using 65 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: that whole spectra of mura I just said, crime wave 66 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: and that whole narrative, so they can like use that 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: as part of their strategy for the mid terms, whether 68 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: and even not just the midterms, but like local elections 69 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: that are going on now, might be going on in 70 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: town that you're in right now, listen to the show. 71 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: So it's like important that we monitor these things and 72 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: prepare ourselves because who knows where they're gonna take it. 73 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: You know, the Democratic Democrats there, you know they're gonna 74 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: go with the wind on it. So if the Republicans start, 75 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: you know, effectively tagging them with that whole soft on 76 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: crime narrative, we know where this where they can go. 77 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: It happened in the nineties, and we've got the fucking 78 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: dude who did it as president right now. So the 79 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: way I see it, if the messaging is good enough 80 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: to scare enough people that Republicans start taking office again, 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: and they're doing it all on the campaign of crime 82 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: is getting out of control, we need more cops. We 83 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: need cops to have even longer relation. They need to 84 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: be able to do more things and stopping first nationwide 85 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: all that search ship. I personally don't have any evidence 86 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: that suggests the Democrats wouldn't eventually go with that. It's 87 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: just further shifting that Overton window of everything being like 88 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: some fucking right wing nightmare, you know. So I think 89 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: it's something important to address, Yeah, for sure. So we're 90 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: talking about some crime statistics from around the country, our 91 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: thoughts on like why this is happening, as well as 92 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: a very variety of perspectives of those you know, with 93 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: various political agendas as well, and how they're kind of 94 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: spending the data towards their personal ends, um along the way. 95 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, in the music discussion, we're gonna dig into 96 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: some songs where m c s paint narratives and portraits 97 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: to maybe you know, get into the mindset of how 98 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: some of these violent situations happened in the first place. 99 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: And all right, we'll get to all that after the jump. 100 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: All right, so, you know, just a little recap because 101 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: we have been mentioning it in some episodes before, but like, 102 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: how has this recent I guess surge in some of 103 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: this violent crime effected you and and where you're at 104 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean I um, I would say the uptick in 105 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: violent crime as as as a commissioner I was hit 106 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: home for me in a number of ways, both in 107 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: terms of just interpersonally one on one with constituents, hearing 108 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: some of the stories they've told and how that's impacted 109 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: me emotionally, and then like in terms of community organizing. 110 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: So on the one side, it's been really hard for me. 111 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: And you know, particularly when we saw our big space 112 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: of shootings back maybe a month and month and a 113 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: half ago, getting calls every day from mothers who were 114 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: trying to relocate their children because their house that got 115 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: shot at the night before, talking to families of folks 116 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: who had not survived violent exchanges of gunfire. Um, and 117 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: these kids being very young and sort of just like 118 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: UM hearing I guess like one of the most impactful 119 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: things is hearing all the positive things as you see 120 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: in the newspaper, like oh, you know, you know thug 121 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: had like you know, previous gun chartists, whatever kind of 122 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: bullshit has drawn straight from the police report, and we 123 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: know the police lie. We know the police want to 124 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: tell the full story and so getting to hear from 125 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: these families about how like all the potential of these 126 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: young men had and like what they meant to their communities, etcetera. 127 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: Like it on top of just like you know, it's 128 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: my job to like do constituent services, but like it's 129 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: sucking hard sometimes. And then I mean, particularly we've got 130 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: the violent crime in the community. But what's really unaccounted 131 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: for and on the day that we're gonna talk about 132 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: today as well as just um and in the national 133 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: rhetoric around this quote unquote carme wave is the amount 134 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: of like police violence and whether or not it has 135 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: gone up or down um during this time has a 136 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: different kind of harm For people who take on very 137 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: tough on crime stands, you know, siting community violence, they're 138 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: also leaving out like this other form of state violence 139 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: that then just perpetuates cycles of harm. Like you've got 140 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: people out here rob and stealing the salton people, and 141 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: then you got the police out here robbing people people. 142 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: That's one of the things that you know, has me 143 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: particularly concern because it's like every every point within the 144 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: last like sixty years that we've had these sort of 145 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: like national upticks in crime or whatever, it has resulted 146 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: in police getting their leash, you know what I mean, 147 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: getting a longer a longer leash to to do their ship. 148 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: It's stuff that it's like, you know, policies that were 149 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: set in place back in like the sixties and eighties 150 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We're still like dealing with the 151 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: effects of that stuff now, you know what I mean. 152 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: So it's like we don't want to have like another 153 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: you know round of that sort of stuff being institutionalized 154 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: and ingrained. Yeah, but I brought up a rise in 155 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: police violence, which I don't have any tats. I don't 156 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: know where we are at with regards to whether we 157 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: are seeing a decline or an increase or a stagnation. 158 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, honestly, the thing that impact me the 159 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: most is when that man was killed by the cops, 160 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: like around the corner from my house. I also probably 161 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: about a month and a half ago, um, because like 162 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: it stays with me to this day thinking about, like 163 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: I found his Facebook be the man that lost his life, 164 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Like two days before this happened, he was posting on Facebook, 165 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: like you know, can somebody cash at me in dollar 166 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: so I can go to the gas station and like 167 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: get some chips, like he was so desperate, like you know, 168 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: no likes, no comments or anything. And then you see 169 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: like in this is earlier, like as as you get 170 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: closer to when the ship went down, his sense of 171 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: aggravation that like nobody had his back, that he couldn't 172 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: get ahead in this world, that he couldn't provide for 173 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: his family. And then he then then there's a point 174 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: where like he posted a video where like it's kind 175 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: of clear he's snapped. And it stays with me, man 176 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: that like Nigga just as just need wanted a dollar 177 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: from somebody, reached out to the internet and not and 178 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: not a soul had his bag. And when we get 179 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: later into um and so eventually, yeah, like he was 180 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: rolling around the streets of the shotgun and tried to 181 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: rob the pool from the corner from my house, ended 182 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: up getting shot at police. Um. But yeah, when we 183 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: get into preventative solutions and prevention and solutions later, we'll 184 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: take a little bit more into the linkage between that 185 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: economic pecurity and the emotional state. Then people get in 186 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: and how it ends up with sad things like these 187 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: people people in our communities killing each other or people 188 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: were getting killed by the cops. Well, it's good that 189 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: you brought up, you know, checking the sources of some 190 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: of these numbers in statistics. So, American City saw thirty 191 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: three increase in homicides last year. And according to a 192 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: report produced by the Major Cities Chief Association, which is 193 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: this organization that's comprised of police executives representing the largest 194 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: cities in the United States and Canada. According to them, 195 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: sixty three of the sixty six largest police jurisdictions saw 196 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: increases in at least one category of violent crime, in 197 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: which included homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault. Now this is 198 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: contested because like what's happening with with homicides isn't necessarily 199 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: part of the quote unquote crime wave. It's actually many 200 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: crimes from larceny to robbery to rape have all dropped 201 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: during that They all dropped during the pandemic, and they've 202 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: continued to fall during the first you know, a few months. 203 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: Also really important contextualize this in the in the historical 204 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: lens of the last forty or fifty years, because crime 205 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: is down from the nineties still um and so we 206 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: are seeing like we are seeing an uptick in some 207 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: forms of violent crime. Relative to like two thousand and nineteen. UM. 208 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: But and it seems like, you know, because we've all 209 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: been in these little boxes for a year and a half, 210 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: Like it's shocking when it goes up a little bit 211 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: and like you're hearing about a lot of shootings in 212 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: the community, but news cycle and like how you know, 213 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: you just you see more stuff now you see remember 214 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: what it was like in the nineties, Like you kind 215 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: of like either you get nostalgic about it and like 216 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: kind of look at it from that lens, or just 217 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: like it's hard to like recall how bad it used 218 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: to be. I mean for me, I was barely even 219 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: alive back then. Um, And so I've grown like during 220 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: the course of my life, crime has just fallen and 221 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: fallen and fallen in most major cities u um, the 222 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: entire time I've been alive. And so it's like, um, 223 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: I think it's hard for people to remember how far 224 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: we have come with regards to violent crime. UM, because 225 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: it's so shocking when it does slightly uptick as it 226 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: has in this like transition out of the pandemic time. 227 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Well a lot of it is messaging too, That's what 228 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: you know. I was barely alive back then too, But 229 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: I was a kid, you know, I mean like a 230 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: little kid, and it's like from what I remember comparing 231 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: it to now, is it was just the messaging of 232 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: it was a lot more deliberate back then, and now, 233 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: whether it's deliberate or not, it's just more ubiquitous now, 234 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, like back then in order to like be 235 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: ginned up and scared about, like, oh, crime is increasing, 236 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: crime is increasing. It's like you have to be watching 237 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the news, you know, and it's like now you've got Facebook, 238 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: you've got um Twitter, you've got Instagram, and it's like 239 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: you you know, if you just like scroll in it 240 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: or you look at the trending topic, is like depending 241 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: on what city you're in, like stuff is gonna be trending. 242 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: Local news stories are gonna be trending. And it's just 243 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: like a saturation of it that if you spend even 244 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: a few minutes looking at it, you're like, oh, man, 245 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: ship is out of control. There's just like there's just 246 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: like people are going crazy left and right. It's like, 247 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: you know, when it's really just isolated stories, but you're 248 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: getting bombarded with all these different all this you know, 249 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: different media and messaging that you kind of go along 250 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: with the flows, like, oh, man, I guess we have 251 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: a crime wave like that. I mean, so I guess 252 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: the broader category of violent crime has only really increased 253 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: about three percent this year according to preliminary data from 254 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: the FBI on a large subset of cities, But it's 255 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: homicides in particular that have increased as other crimes. Foll. 256 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: I think with this the fact that like, yeah, it 257 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: seems like things are going crazy because like one homicide 258 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: is enough, Like there's no acceptable number of people to 259 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: lose their lives ever. Um. And so if you hear 260 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: about you know, six, it might be less than you 261 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: had heard about growing up. But I mean, from my perspective, 262 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: it's like that's six families at six schools that lost 263 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: the student, the six churches that lost you know, a member, etcetera. 264 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: It's a whole bunch of lives ruined. Yeah. And and 265 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: then beyond that, beyond like the very real impact of 266 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: like yo, I'm not I'm not downplaying this because homicide 267 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: is incredibly um, it's just incredibly painful for a community 268 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: to experience. Um. Also the fact that it gets clicks 269 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: when things like people are scared so when they hear 270 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: of always homicides like this, stay glued to their TV 271 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: and not to see their ducal acts, commercial or whatever 272 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: because they're like fucking freaked out that it seems like 273 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: the crime surgy. So I wanted to run this by you. 274 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: It's something that I came across in CNN, and it 275 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: just I just wanted to get what your thoughts were 276 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: about it, all right, So in this article in CNN, 277 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: they were saying, experts point to a perfect storm of 278 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: factors economic collapse, social anxiety from the pandemic, d policing 279 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: in major cities after protests that called for the abolition 280 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: of police departments, shift in police shifts and police resources 281 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: from neighborhoods to downtown areas because of those protests, and 282 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: the release of criminal defendants pre trial or before sentences 283 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: were completed to reduce the risk of COVID spread in jail. 284 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: All may have contributed to a spike in homicides. Now, says, 285 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: COVID has seemed to exacerbate everything. Officers sometime had to 286 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: quarantine because of exposure to cases in their ranks, reducing 287 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: the number of officers available in patrol. The reason that 288 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about your thoughts of that 289 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: is like as an abolitionist, like what do you say 290 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: to like something like that, say to what part specifically? 291 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: So specifically the you know, the rationale that officers having 292 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: to quarantine during COVID, so they're having to reduce the 293 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: number of officers out their fault because these dumb asses 294 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: don't wear any fucking masks anywhere they go. No, no, no. 295 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: But I was saying, like them saying that contributed to 296 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: an increase of crime. I mean I don't believe. I 297 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: don't believe police prevent crime, and so I don't believe 298 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: that excuse. Um they I mean, it might have affected 299 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: their response rates with regards to following up after crimes 300 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: have already occurred, because that's all they fucking do. Um, 301 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: But I don't think that. I don't buy. I don't 302 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: buy that excuse because I think it's it's propaganda to 303 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: get some more money. That's what they want you to think. 304 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: The same thing with the whole the policing arguments, like well, 305 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: we were all demoralized and you all didn't want the 306 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: cops around, so we you know, we pulled up, you know, 307 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: we like you know, rolled up our carpet and went home, 308 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: took our ball, went home, and that caused an increasing crime. 309 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: It has study done in Kansas City. I can't remember 310 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: quite when it was pretty old, and you know, I 311 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: don't know if it had been duplicated empirically so the 312 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: findings of it could be considered pulmonary, but they had 313 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: um They did an experiment to see the effects of 314 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: police visibility on crime rates and three different zones in 315 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: the city. It's an extra cops to one zone, they 316 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: kept another zone the same, and then they sent out 317 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: less cops to a third zone. And they found no 318 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: substantive difference in the reported rates of victimization, crime rates, 319 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: um increase in traffic fatalities anything like literally not like 320 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: it did not impact at all the degree to which 321 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: crime was happening or people were being victimized in these 322 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: three different areas of the city of Kansas. I don't 323 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: know why people have this like imagination that should have 324 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: fucking gangs in New York and like, you know what 325 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there's like roaming street gangs for us to 326 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: need like patrolmen just all all over the place, you 327 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like, what are they really 328 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: preventing Are they really preventing anybody from doing anything illegal 329 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: that they're going to do anyway you wait for the 330 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: cop car to go buy yeah, or you know, or 331 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: just do it blunt, like straight up in their face 332 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: because they ain't scared of them or like whatever. Um 333 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: and in its acts of like oh you need fear. 334 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about how all we far we have fallen 335 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: if the we believe the only way we can get 336 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: people to not do bad things is scare them with punishment, 337 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: like that's I think it's a scess, really sassinated affairs 338 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: because a lot of people who don't do crimes because 339 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: they don't hurt other people and as an ethos that 340 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: we are failing through preventative means to like fully seed 341 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: in the culture. I don't think it's and I don't 342 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: think it's impermeable. I don't think's immutable. I don't think 343 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we can't change it. We have to 344 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: rely on police because people don't care about each other. 345 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: It's just like a failure to like believe that people 346 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: aren't naturally like that and it's something socialized into them 347 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: that can be socialized out in a generation or so 348 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: if we were just like focused on having that as 349 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: a component of education, etcetera. Anyway I'm going off are like, yeah, 350 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: I mean any sort of pretty much anything cops have 351 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: to say about white crimes going up. I don't care 352 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: because they're allowing to get more money and I don't 353 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: care about them. So so Um. In Chicago, homicides are 354 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: up thirty three in the first three months of the 355 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: year compared to while shootings are up nearly in the 356 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: same period year over year. In New York City, the 357 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: NYPD DADAS shows murders jumped by nearly fourteen percent through March, 358 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: the latest number of the department is made public, while 359 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: shootings were up nearly fifty Again, those are all yeah, 360 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: police numbers also year over year numbers, so compared to 361 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: when everyone was inside and not like taking the against 362 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: the cloud or whatever. Yes, homicides are up, but let's 363 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: look at those numbers from let's say, right, um, and 364 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's shocking because like life is going back 365 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: to normal. Um and but like the bottom has fallen 366 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: out of our economy and the social fabric of our communities, 367 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: and so people are you're fucking they're getting out back 368 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: in the streets and then they're killing each other dubb 369 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: bit like it's unfortunate, but like what y'all thing is 370 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: gonna happen if niggas be inside for a whole year 371 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: and a half, lost their job, have to stay at 372 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: home with their kids because the kids are aline school. 373 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: They ain't got no you know, I ain't got no money, 374 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: so they like, you know, economic that economic exactly talking 375 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: about the funk house, you think gonna happen. But still 376 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: it's not as quite quite as bad as we may 377 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: have seen thirty or four years ago. Um Dida also 378 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: show that there's the rising homicides likely translated into an 379 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: additional fourth house, and our five thousand people killed across 380 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: the country compare with the year before. According to early estimates, 381 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: cities that have never seen decreases in gun violence to 382 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: match the overall national trend were hit especially hard to 383 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: places like Philadelphia and St. Louis were clearmed returned close 384 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: to the historic ties for the number of people killed 385 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: in a single year, according to the Philadelphia inquir and 386 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: the St. Louis Post Dispatch. Early data suggests that the 387 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: homicides increase isn't necessarily happening at random. But that the 388 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: additional violence is clustered in disadvantaged neighborhoods of color, that 389 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: we're already struggling with higher gun rates of violence before 390 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: the pandemic even happened. So that's according to UH criminologist 391 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: Richard Rosenfeld, who has done who's authored multiple national reports 392 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: on crime and violent trends. So have you your you know, 393 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: obviously we talked about some of those personal UH instances, 394 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: but just overall, like, have you noticed like or or 395 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: heard of any sort of UH national carry through and 396 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: have that affecting Georgia. Honestly, what I'm seeing is a 397 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: kid to what we see, Like we see a spiking 398 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: crime every summer, and be it kids are out of 399 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: school and acting up in the streets more. There's more 400 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: parties in the summertime, and so people get intoxicated it 401 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: and then emotions get high. Um or it's just a 402 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: fucking weather. It's hard to know, but it feels like 403 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: every single summer we see a spike and shootings. Um 404 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: And so I am seeing these patterns in my district. 405 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: But I am also able to put them somewhat more 406 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: into like a recent historical perspective of like a cycle 407 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: that we free we continue to experience because we keep 408 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and never again expecting different 409 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: results with regards to crime prevention. UM. So, the the 410 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: spike that I feel like we are seeing, like I 411 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: feel like I've seen this before, Like I feel like we're, oh, 412 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: we're back here now. Definitely I've seen an increase, but 413 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: it's like, except for last summer, I mean two thousand, 414 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: eighteen seventeen, I feel like I feel like it's summer 415 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: has always felt like this when it comes to violent 416 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: crime in the districts. Well as we're gonna get into 417 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: in a second, um, some of this might you know, 418 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: definitely is going to have a relationship to guns. You know, 419 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: it's a Erica, so everything kind of comes down to guns. 420 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: A preprint study from researchers at the University of California, Davis, 421 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: which has not yet been peer reviewed, just so that 422 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: you know, UM suggested a spike in gun purchases during 423 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: the early months of the pandemic was associated with with 424 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: the nearly eight percent increasing gun violence from March through May, 425 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: or about seven seventy additional fatal and non fatal shooting 426 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: injuries nationwide. The Researchers found that states that had lower 427 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: levels of violent crime pre COVID saw a strong connection 428 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: between additional gun purchases and more gun violence. And that 429 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: is from the Guardian. So places that didn't have long 430 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: guns before, some people wouldn't buy guns, and then exactly 431 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: if everyone has guns. And community groups say that the 432 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: pandemic forced them to shutter prevention programs and created huge 433 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: challenges for the work of violence interrupters, who rely on 434 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: close relationships and in person interventions with people at risk 435 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: of shootings are being shot. Yeah, so even in the 436 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: preventative measures that at places it started to you know, 437 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: expand on or see you know seed and then let 438 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: a later grow um or even things that aren't explicitly 439 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: crime preventative but like do help strengthen the social fabric 440 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: of the neighborhood. Stuff like a lot of our tutoring programs, UM, churches, UM, 441 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: different kinds of leatra services, activities for the young folks, 442 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: like without those around, like people isolated and they go 443 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: a little stir crazy and start making decisions and and 444 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean, but even this work of like 445 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: these inner personal relationships, these folks working within like violence 446 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: interruption cultivate like you know, social distancing mass everything all 447 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: of that ship fell apart. So what did you think 448 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: was gonna happen? I don't want to repeat myself because 449 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I've said this the last two episodes, 450 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: but I just don't I don't even understand how even 451 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: like the most bad faith person or right wing but whatever, 452 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know how understand how you can even 453 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: be like genuinely susceptible to like not understanding what's going on. 454 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, we all lived through the pandemic, 455 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like how many people do 456 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: we know? Or if you're not one of them who 457 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: lost the job, you know what I'm saying, So we 458 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: like all know how hard this last year was. And 459 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: it's like I'm I personally, I don't like I don't 460 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: like making excuses for people who kill people, you know 461 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like there's never a reason to 462 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: take a life life like all that ship. But at 463 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: the same time, it's like, like you said, what do 464 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: you expect is going to happen? Like billions of people 465 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: went out of work, everyone was inside, everyone was nervous. 466 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: There was a point in time when we didn't know 467 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: if this ship was about to be fucking outbreak times too, 468 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Then then like the turmoil 469 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: over in the summer happened. It's just like all of 470 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: it to me seems like you know, one plus one 471 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: equals too. I mean, like, I mean, we did a 472 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: bunch of there were a bunch of like kumbaya, we're 473 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: all of this together as fucking like celebrity or I 474 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: don't know what, you know what I mean, like there 475 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: are sounds of like, oh, you know, we all have 476 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: finished pandemic. We know it's like like for some people, 477 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: a lot bed for a bunch of rich conservatives that 478 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: are clutching their pearls about roving gangs of blm an tifa, 479 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, riding through their Bagonians in the freyard um. 480 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: They don't. They didn't live in the same world we 481 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: did for the pandemic in terms of like seeing like 482 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: losing jobs, losing income, seeing friends lose income, seeing friends 483 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: get sick and not be able for to go to 484 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: the hospital like um get seeing friends and family, you know, 485 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: become homeless because they couldn't afford childcare. There's nowhere to 486 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: send their kids and their kids doing online school, so 487 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: they had like quit their jobs, and then you know, 488 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: they're having money they if they couldn't pay rent and 489 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: they could get the house. Like also all this kind 490 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: of christ stuff. There's tons of people who did not 491 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: see any of that. M who and most of them 492 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: are But I would say a lot of people who 493 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: are making a lot of the decisions for our country 494 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: have no proximity to the reality of the pandemic for 495 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: low income people whatsoever. Um, They're so yeah, it does 496 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: not occur to them. It's like, Oh, it wasn't that bad. 497 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: We always worked from home, right, It's like, uh, non niggasm. 498 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: People was working in public and like didn't have any 499 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: health insurance and are dead now. And that is just 500 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: because you know, like should just starting to open back up. 501 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that people aren't going to be feeling the 502 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: effects from everything that you know, we just went through 503 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: for years to come, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. 504 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: Some police officials and their allies have asserted that last 505 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: summer's big, volatile protests against police violence diverted police resources 506 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: and attention away from their normal patrols, and they have 507 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: also suggested that demoralized angry police officers might be less 508 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: proactive or effective in dealing with violent crimes. I think 509 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: called bullshit. UM and Jeff Asher, a crime analyst who 510 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: writes extensively about homicide trends, um An examined sixty cities 511 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: and found no correlation between the number of Black Lives 512 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: Matter protests in the size of the city's homicide increase. UM. 513 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: I've also read UM that there's that you know, crime 514 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: has increased in gop led cities as well as democrat 515 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: led cities, small towns as well as big cities. Places 516 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: was very huge protests, Places with no protest movement whatsoever. UM. 517 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: Places where they defunded the police, you know, the very 518 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: few that did love to be clear. UM, places where 519 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: they increased with this budget. So like none of these 520 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, if people want to say, oh, they want 521 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: to blame it on BLM, like what about places that 522 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: didn't have that movement happened? Yeah, like okay, bro um 523 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: and so Asher explained, well, he warned that any policing 524 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: focused explanation for the homicide increase needed to also explain 525 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: why the change would have only affected serious and deadly violence. 526 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: But I think it's a good point It's like, why 527 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: if it has to do with policing and the effectiveness 528 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: of like proactive patrols, etcetera, why is it only only 529 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: violent crime and no other kind of crime that is 530 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: being an impacted by this There there isn't a clear 531 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: explanation for them. Yeah, he said, most crime is down, 532 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: including most felonies serious crime. If deep, if the deep 533 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: policing argument is correct, why did it only affect the 534 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: uptick and violence and that other street crimes. Yeah, it 535 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Bron Well, 536 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: let's get into sort of the way that uh or 537 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: partisan corporate oligarchy is fucking spending the ship to break 538 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: in fundraising dollars in So we've got GOP operatives in 539 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: Washington's who see this whole debate with the rising crime 540 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: ship is like, you know, a potent centerpiece of how 541 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: they're going to start running their campaigns for Senate next 542 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: year in the mid term elections. It motivates the base 543 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: party voters, as evidenced by the primary fight in Mississippi's 544 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: fourth district where Mike Easel, How you say that, who's 545 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: a Golf Coast sheriff is centering his primary challenge against 546 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: his incumbent, REPS Stephen Palazzo, on defund the police or 547 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: his opposition to it. And he's doing this even though 548 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: the nigga he's running against shares the same sentiment is 549 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: the Mississippi. I love the ship. It cracks me up 550 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: when like the Republicans had to be like Democrats wanted 551 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: to fund the police. I'm like, I fucking wish brother ay, 552 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: even unlessil neither like y'all, y'all all on the same team. 553 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: Don't even try to play with me about it. So 554 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: this guy as well, he was saying, in some districts, 555 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: we focus on to fund the police and the broader 556 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: cultural fight. He didn't say the Republican operatives, But in 557 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: many suburban districts, we took to fund the police and 558 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: turned it into a public safety issue about whether there 559 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: should be increase or discrease and police in your neighborhoods 560 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: and what public safety officials do to keep people safe. 561 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: In another state, Iowa, Republican Governor Kim Reynolds had promised 562 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: additional checks on police conduct after the whole George flight. 563 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: Think you remember there was a point in time when 564 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: the Republicans were pretending that it was like, oh, yeah, 565 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, George Floyd dying is bad and cops maybe 566 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: aren't perfect, but they've all there was this brief glimmering 567 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: moment where they yeah, they got so fucking jawed jaw 568 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: jack you know there, So um, she didn't. She did 569 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: say all that ship and paid that whole lip service 570 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: during that whole thing. But now she plans on making 571 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: it harder to sue police on the job. It's part 572 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: of her re election strategy. And just like the further 573 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: Republican regression to the mean and then Biden of course 574 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: rejected the framing of the defunded police movement during for 575 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: the White House, calling for additional resources for st in 576 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: local law enforcement. It's been really funny to me to 577 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: see like my boomer parents that like were very down 578 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: with the authorizing. My dad said some crazy ship like 579 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: when they burned on the windows. He was like, well, 580 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: we burned, we built this country. Uh so what if 581 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: we burned to the ground. I was like, what, I 582 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: have never heard you say something like that before. What, 583 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, damn, what the fuck? So like, but 584 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: now like h like sharing memes about oh past the 585 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: George Floyd Justice and Policing Act, like not realizing it 586 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: gives like was seven hunty million more dollars to the 587 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: police to specifically to so that they can investigate themselves 588 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: when they kill us, so not to prevent them from 589 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: killing us, just like, oh, to have more money to 590 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: find that get to the bottom of it. Like we 591 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: know what happens when they get to the bottom of 592 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: it if I get protect each other. Uh. And I'm 593 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: saying that they did nothing wrong, so anyway, Um, it's 594 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: just it's just like correct family does. It's just yeah, exactly, Um, 595 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, the lack of clarity about where the White 596 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: House stands on policing was side is the cost for 597 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: the just supporting results in several congressional races or I 598 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: guess there would be right House at the time during 599 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: presidential election and theocratic democratic activist groups. You're trying to 600 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: figure out how best to respond, if at all, to 601 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: the Republican line of attacked. I just think that uh, 602 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean one infirm it looks make you like a 603 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: fucking stupid baby, like, oh, no, I want to give 604 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: the cops more money. Opposite of what he said. It's 605 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: just like, why are you letting them run the debate 606 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: for pure on a pure reactionaries man on a purely 607 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: political end of it. It's like, why are you drawing 608 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: attention to Like I'm just this is just you know, 609 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: purely like thinking like political nuts and bolts. It's like 610 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: you can't control what activists say, you know what I mean. 611 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't even know. It's like the 612 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: fact that they're so worried about it and they want 613 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: to like squirm themselves and twist themselves and pretzels over 614 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: something that they know that they don't agree with. You 615 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I don't. I don't even It 616 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: just seems like you're you're playing into their hands to 617 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: begin with, you know what I'm saying. And I mean, 618 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is effective politicking or not, 619 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: but I just feel like morally it makes the most sense. 620 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: And this is an analogy. Um, I guess I would say, 621 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: got a friend who's running from mayor and like a 622 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: moderate size city in North Georgia, and um, people are 623 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: trying and he's the unity Democrat. People trying to like 624 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: put him in the corner because it's more of a 625 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: rural red leaning area about CRT we're like, oh, what 626 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: do you think about the RT? Like he's running to 627 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: be mayor. He's not running to be your school principal 628 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: or your superintendent or teacher gym class. He's going to 629 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: be mayor. And so I keep telling him over and 630 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: over again, and people come at you with that stuff. 631 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: Pivot back to what the mayor does and what you're 632 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: really about, and how embarrassing that these like GOP dudes 633 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: are making it about the culture war when like, literally 634 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: people can't afford housing, people can't afford food. You know, 635 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: our environment is our fucking oceans are on fire, Like 636 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: can we talk about some real ship? And that, honestly 637 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: is what my advice to Democrats would be, like, Oh, 638 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: are you trying to defind the police? Like, you know what, 639 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: that's a local issue. You know what happens with police 640 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: departments is a local thing. And it's embarrassing that y'all 641 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: are trying to like bring it back to this when 642 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: the reality is people need jobs, we need infrastructure, we 643 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: need climate action, and y'all are trying to make this 644 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: about like cultural war slogans. Again, Yeah, I mean, but 645 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: I just I have like this really bad feeling in 646 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: the pit of my stomach that this ship is working. Well, 647 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry Uma. During the election, when like Kenosha went 648 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: down and Democrats are starting to get a little scared about, oh, 649 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: this whole Trump law and order message is gonna start sticking, 650 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: I personally wasn't really sweating it because you know, I mean, 651 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: I just I saw that that that's what they were doing, 652 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: but I didn't think it was going to be effective. 653 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: But now I think, you know, I think the culture 654 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: war issues are gonna stick a little bit more hartially 655 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: due to a lot of factors. But you know, I 656 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: think there definitely is a good amount of the population 657 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: that's susceptible to it. Well, we should probably get to 658 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: this in a future episode sometime soon, with like the 659 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: Ocean Beyond Fire ship. I don't even think, like I mean, 660 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: I like I am, I am concerned about it about 661 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, obviously asked like as an abolitionist, this is 662 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: like a key framework through which I, like, you know, 663 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: sift policy and policy decisions. But like, yo, we also 664 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: at the same time, like we're all about to like 665 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: literally burn and die exactly. I don't even know. It 666 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: is very hot. People are dying in our infrastructure is 667 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: melting like and so I just remember when it was 668 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: so when So I guess I say that though, because 669 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: when people get to be like, oh, what the impact 670 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: could I have on the mid terms, and I like 671 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: Cam even I'm just like, none of these people are 672 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: gonna save us. Holy sh it, Like I almost don't 673 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: even give a fuck. But in terms of some of 674 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: the quote unquote crime wave prevention, what are some effective 675 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: things that you feel that like, you know, fun the 676 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: policy and like what are what are some effective things 677 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: that you think that people can do in their communities 678 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: themselves to like reduce reduce some of the violence that 679 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: we are seeing, I mean in Athens particularly, And I 680 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 1: think this is I mean, it's it's as exacerbated here, 681 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's true if many countries around there, 682 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: around there many cities around the country. Um, we have 683 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: a we have a working property problem. We got h 684 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: thirty eight percent poverty rate, but you know, like a 685 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: threecent unemployment rate, So we got thirty percent of the 686 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: city who are working full time and still can't make it. 687 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: To mean, so why wouldn't you go rob somebody of 688 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: the dash and maybe getting to shoot out or if 689 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: you get home from your you know your you. You 690 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: worked all day at school and now you're gonna go 691 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: ride the Santation trucks tonight. You get home and you 692 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: get into a dispute with your wife. Why wouldn't it 693 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: come to hands when you're stressed out about how you're 694 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: gonna feed five kids working eighty hours week. Like, um, 695 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: I think the issue is just like if people have 696 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: more economic security, they'd be able, they'd be more liberated 697 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: to make choices for healthier choices for themselves, be that 698 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: escaping an abusive relationship because they can afford their own housing, 699 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: or going back to school just for the hell of 700 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: it's to find your passion and what you love and 701 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: enjoy um, or seeking out mental health counseling, or does 702 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: any other things that like maybe easier breathe, Like money 703 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: can't buy happiness, but yeah fuck that, yes yeah I can. 704 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: But fuck that, yes it can. Um. And so I 705 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: think the economic stability is a crucial point there. Um. 706 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: And so through that, like you know, I've been working 707 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 1: with this organization. We're trying to provide opportunities for you 708 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: to help sort of help them grow into productive and 709 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: healthy adults. You know, just see a path like, oh yeah, 710 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: it's cool to be into other things and not that 711 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, aren't the streets. But also we're trying to 712 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: get people, you know, young men trained up to get 713 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: their CDL license so that they can fill in some 714 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: of these bus driver shortages, etcetera around town and not 715 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: only take these less of them in wage jobs, but 716 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: trained up enough of them where they can go in 717 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: as a bargaining unit from the jump and say, Yo, look, 718 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: y'all got a shortage of ten drivers, ten of us 719 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: apply for this job. We'll we'll all take it. We'll 720 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: end your driver shortage right now if we get a 721 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: five thou dollar like salary increase over what y'all are 722 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: offering us. So stuff like that ways of like not 723 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: only giving people that economic empowerment, but like really like 724 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: super charging it by teaching folks these um these um 725 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: the value of collective out to bargaining from the jump, 726 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: Like we don't get you a good job, but also 727 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna bring you in with a squad such that 728 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: you'll have leverage to get the working conditions and the benefits, etcetera. 729 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: The trove rely deserve UM. I think that's a fundamental 730 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: piece and I could go on and on. I mean, 731 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: like I think with UM, I mean exercise I do 732 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: frequently with people who are like, well what about X 733 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: y Z crime, sort of like asking them, Okay, well, 734 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,919 Speaker 1: why do you think someone did that? Oh you're scared 735 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: someone gonna break into your house to a TV? Why 736 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: would he do that in the first place? And getting 737 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: out of the roots of like, oh, is he a 738 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: drug addict? Does he need treatment? So? Okay, your house 739 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't have got broken into if you if he had 740 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: gotten drug treatment, or oh he broke into your house 741 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: because you need money because he can't be his kids. Well, 742 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: let's address that situation in your house wouldn't even get 743 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: broken into, etcetera. I think there's a lot of directions 744 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: that can go in, but very often I feel that 745 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: it falls down to economic empowerment, having that the liberty 746 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: to make choices for yourself, um and and choose healthy 747 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: ones rather than being caught cycles of of of harmony 748 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: and community that you're just forced into by nature of 749 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: not having resources. Well, yo, do you want to listen 750 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: to some rap songs? Never? I hate rap. Let's get it, 751 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: let's get it. We'll be right back with the music. 752 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: Discussion after the joke. Okay, so we are back. So 753 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some rap songs that provide a 754 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: little bit of a narrative that kind of gets you 755 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: into some of these situations that we've been speaking of where, 756 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, everyday things are going on 757 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden violence breaks out, and 758 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: then it's a statistic that we're reading that's part of 759 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: some number, you know, in some cities somewhere. So I 760 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: tried to lean for stuff on the more serious and 761 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: with me saying that the first song we're gonna listen 762 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: to is a song big Els Casualties of a Dice Game. Now, 763 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: for some of you who have heard Casualties of the 764 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: Dice Game, you'll know that at the second half of it, 765 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: it kind of gets pretty crazy and turns into a movie. 766 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: It is not like the realistic scenario that which I'm describing, 767 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: But the first half of it very much is like, 768 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, some like a real narrative that very much 769 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: feels like, oh man, this could be the whole story 770 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: for something that you just see as a news headline, 771 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So let's check out this 772 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: is Big l casualty of a dice game and why not. 773 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: Quick's the story of a character going to a dice 774 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: game and he's armed because everybody's they're going to have 775 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: lots of money on them, and he's going to have 776 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: lots of money on him too, and you never know 777 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: what could happen. He goes, he starts winning the game, 778 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: and then on his way home, he's being followed by 779 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: the dudes who he won the money from and a 780 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: shootout occurs, leaving everybody injured, dead or whatever. Yeah, innocuous, 781 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: just like someone saw an opportunity to get some quick 782 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: cash through you know, probably an I legal dice game 783 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: happening on the corner. And then someone's like, yo, that 784 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: my fund just left some ship. Um, let's let's get him. 785 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: Let's get that money word. And if you listen to 786 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,479 Speaker 1: the rest of the song, like I was saying, Big 787 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: l gets real nuts with it, and it becomes kind 788 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: of like a fantasy crime story at that point. But 789 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: that opening part of it, it definitely struck me as 790 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: something that was rooted in Oh man, that sounds like 791 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: a real situation. For the next joint, we have a 792 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: song by Mers called Walk Like a Man let's check 793 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: out a little bit of this drop top stop complete 794 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: what I've seen with construct reality. When if two girls 795 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: scream and so, yeah, I mean like a very simple 796 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, they're paying a really vivid portrait of a 797 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: very simple altercation and misunderstanding. It seems escalating and the 798 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: violence when it's really and it's really easy to get 799 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: that form when everybody got guns. So in the story, 800 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: he's talking about him and his friend on the strip. 801 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: They see some girls that they go in holler at, 802 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: and they didn't see that there was a guy in 803 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: the car. So when they went and knocked on the door, 804 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: the dude thought that they were trying to rob him 805 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: and he got out. Altercation occurred and the rapper, the 806 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: rapper's friend ended up getting killed. So you know, just 807 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: like you said, everybody's everybody's arms. So something that's a 808 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: misunderstanding that at worst could have could have been a fight, 809 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it could have been a 810 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: fistfight or some ship. Yeah, ends with some idea. Now 811 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: this next track, I struggled with including it solely just 812 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: because you know, I feel like we've been having a 813 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: lot of NAS songs. I mean, yeah, I hang, I never. 814 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: I just I just you know, we are not paid 815 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: by NAS, but damn it, the man writes some good songs. 816 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna check out this track that I think should 817 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 1: probably be more popular of something in his catalog than 818 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: it is. But it is the track off of his 819 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,399 Speaker 1: Stillmatic album I think that was back in two thousand one, 820 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 1: and it is the song rewind. Let's check that out 821 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: real quick. Back with the starts at the end and 822 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: the bullet goes back in the gun, the bullet holes 823 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: close in his chest up with nick, and now he's 824 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: back to square one, screaming shoot don't please. Yeah, like 825 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: the unique the unique thing about the song is that 826 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: he tells the story in reverse, but it's it's just 827 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: that was that's probably like the standout aspect of the song, 828 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: but in terms of the overall stories telling, it's just 829 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: a simple story of you know, some some gangster guys 830 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: having a night that turns into somebody seeing a person 831 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: that's a target and then they go after him. Yeah. 832 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: I was actually never understood that that song was all 833 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: going backward. I was like, I was like, no, it's 834 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: just being fucking wild, just like just being wild with it, 835 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: Like I gotta say that album is definitely not my 836 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: favorite album, but that song is one of his best songs. 837 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: I think that ship needs to get more props than 838 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: it does. So, ladies and gentlemen, that is it for 839 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: the week. That's it. That's it. Stay safe, love one another, 840 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: build community, networks of care so we can just like 841 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: just keep ourselves safe. It's it's wild out here. It's 842 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: wild out here between stay violence and violence and intracommunal violence. Man. 843 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard times as we recover from the 844 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: economic fallouts of the year that has been. But if 845 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: we watch each other's back, support each other, and we 846 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 1: can get out of this together. And we're gonna help 847 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: you out by giving you some dope rhymes. Hey, Joel, 848 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 1: why don't you drop a drop a beat for us? 849 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: Pretty please? I'm walking with a d bost s big ego. 850 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: Now give me all you see those please bags empty? 851 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: I don't really see no cheese. These niggas wrapped like 852 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: they're working with the gop is dope. Let me give 853 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: you nothing. I am a little bit of front. And 854 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: we was at a house body the last of six 855 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: or something. One guns, everybody sticks and busting we out 856 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Everybody rips and touch and it's disgusted it. 857 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: Instead of going giving people healthcare, they just gave us 858 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of shots. Now we're watching shell slid. Hell yeah, 859 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,240 Speaker 1: now you say he's really in the pitch hundred pound 860 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,760 Speaker 1: dudes talking about they really with the ships on the knife. 861 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: I don't need a Macmillie with the clip. I just 862 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: soli podcast activity when I spit, and I must admit 863 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm ice trade. But I gotta say bucks to six 864 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: don't watching them miss NBC and looking at the crime 865 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: rates cops and from a nothing just telling me it's 866 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: crime wave higher than the sky scrape. How many people 867 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: got today between the COVID and the kids up to 868 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: another and I right, but it's really popping off like 869 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: the nine page. It doesn't really help the networtive the 870 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: billions that were spending jailer kids and someone Pepper did 871 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: instead of giving it to their parents and school. So 872 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 1: unless everyone on some temprity give them jobs making twenty 873 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: dollars an hour, because the safety some place, it's always 874 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 1: economically in power. Watching with them like a week bunch 875 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: of flowers, like a flower. It's a policy decision. The 876 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: options always out. We are waiting on reparations next time 877 00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: see UH. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I 878 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 879 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: M HM.