1
00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,240
Speaker 1: It's time take cats at cheater Only.

2
00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,720
Speaker 2: On the Jubile Show, Crystal is on the phone today

3
00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,080
Speaker 2: for to catch a Cheater. She's been dating her boyfriend

4
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,520
Speaker 2: Bryce for over a year now. They live together, but

5
00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,720
Speaker 2: now she thinks something might be going on, so we'll

6
00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,239
Speaker 2: see if we can help her out. Hey, Crystal, why

7
00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,840
Speaker 2: do you think that Bryce might be cheating?

8
00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

9
00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,160
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, thanks for having me. Yeah, so,

10
00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,080
Speaker 4: my uh my boyfriend Bryce, he goes on a lot

11
00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,160
Speaker 4: of business trips, right, and every time he comes back,

12
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,920
Speaker 4: he comes with new clothes like that aren't like clothes

13
00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,960
Speaker 4: that seem like he just bought them, you know, like

14
00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,360
Speaker 4: they seem worn in, but clothes that don't that we

15
00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,040
Speaker 4: don't have it at our place, And he doesn't want

16
00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,440
Speaker 4: to be intimate the first few days that he's back,

17
00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,239
Speaker 4: which just seems like really sketchy to me.

18
00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,560
Speaker 3: And ever since we started dating, I knew that he

19
00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,720
Speaker 3: would be traveling a lot, and it wasn't really a

20
00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,200
Speaker 3: big deal.

21
00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,560
Speaker 4: Like, you know, we both take our work pretty seriously,

22
00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,360
Speaker 4: and he travels like every other week, and sometimes it's

23
00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,919
Speaker 4: a couple of days and sometimes it's for the whole week.

24
00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:10,560
Speaker 3: He works in sales.

25
00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if I if I mentioned that, but yeah,

26
00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,840
Speaker 4: and like he used to just be so excited to

27
00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,320
Speaker 4: see me when he got back, and like, you know,

28
00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,520
Speaker 4: we would always be intimate, like he couldn't keep his

29
00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,560
Speaker 4: hands off me, and he used to like check.

30
00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:23,959
Speaker 3: In more with me while he was on the road.

31
00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,640
Speaker 4: And now it's like way less frequent and I can't

32
00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,000
Speaker 4: get a hold of him. Like it's just there's so

33
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,720
Speaker 4: many seemingly red flags here.

34
00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,679
Speaker 5: Do you think it's like the evolution of the relationship.

35
00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,959
Speaker 6: You know, in the beginning, it's always like, oh, I

36
00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,920
Speaker 6: can't wait see you, and then it just kind of

37
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,960
Speaker 6: is like, Okay, well, I trust you. We don't need

38
00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,360
Speaker 6: to talk every five minutes. Like is it kind of

39
00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,240
Speaker 6: that or do you feel like it's more than that.

40
00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,120
Speaker 3: I feel like it's more than that.

41
00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,440
Speaker 4: Something in my gut tells me it's more than just

42
00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,440
Speaker 4: like you know, being out of the honeymoon phase.

43
00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,240
Speaker 2: Like, so, you guys have been together for a year

44
00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,240
Speaker 2: over a year. How long has this been going on?

45
00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to like track exactly. I mean, he's

46
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,080
Speaker 4: been traveling the whole time we've been together. But I

47
00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,399
Speaker 4: feel like in the last maybe six months or so

48
00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,600
Speaker 4: it's gotten weirder.

49
00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,720
Speaker 5: So back to that coming back with new clothes. Is

50
00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,160
Speaker 5: he a thrifter? Huh No.

51
00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,640
Speaker 4: I'll even ask him like, oh, I haven't seen that

52
00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:21,920
Speaker 4: shirt before, like where did.

53
00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,160
Speaker 1: You get that?

54
00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,720
Speaker 3: And he'll be like oh yeah, you know, like he

55
00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:25,600
Speaker 3: just kind of brushes it.

56
00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,640
Speaker 2: If he's anything like me, he doesn't pack things or

57
00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,760
Speaker 2: loses things and then has to buy new stuff on

58
00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:32,040
Speaker 2: the road.

59
00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,480
Speaker 5: Is he like that hat? Yeah?

60
00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,880
Speaker 3: Yes, but like again, these don't seem like new clothes.

61
00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,400
Speaker 5: Okay, he's like Warren stuff.

62
00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,920
Speaker 6: I think we're all in agreement that there's a little

63
00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,200
Speaker 6: bit of a flag going on here.

64
00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does seem true.

65
00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

66
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,760
Speaker 5: Do you know where he goes when he goes on

67
00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:49,480
Speaker 5: his work trips?

68
00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like most of I mean,

69
00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,120
Speaker 4: he's in sales, so he's like, you know, doing a

70
00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,840
Speaker 4: lot of like interfacing with different clients, potential clients and

71
00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:02,359
Speaker 4: things like that.

72
00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,799
Speaker 3: So he's like all over the place.

73
00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,480
Speaker 2: Nice he Ever, do you know anything about his past relationships?

74
00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,359
Speaker 2: Is he ever cheated before or been honest about that?

75
00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,320
Speaker 4: To my knowledge, he has not, Like because that would

76
00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 4: be something that I would really be cautious of going

77
00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,240
Speaker 4: into if I knew that someone had a.

78
00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:18,919
Speaker 3: History of cheating.

79
00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,120
Speaker 6: Sure, everything else in your relationship is fine other than

80
00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,359
Speaker 6: those first couple of days when.

81
00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:23,880
Speaker 5: He comes back.

82
00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I feel like after those few couple of

83
00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,040
Speaker 4: days when things are weird, like, yeah, we settle back

84
00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,960
Speaker 4: into a rhythm, but then he's traveling again.

85
00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,639
Speaker 5: Okay, well, you told us what grocery store.

86
00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,080
Speaker 2: He's a rewards card member, so we'll do the usual

87
00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,160
Speaker 2: and call and pretend to be from the grocery store

88
00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,200
Speaker 2: and tell him that every single month, we choose one

89
00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,240
Speaker 2: rewards card member at random who gets free flowers delivered

90
00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,760
Speaker 2: from our four old department, and we'll see if he

91
00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,760
Speaker 2: sends those to you or to somebody else.

92
00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,640
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, thank you.

93
00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,920
Speaker 2: Plays I'll come back and then call him and see

94
00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,600
Speaker 2: if we can catch him with to ketch it cheater.

95
00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,320
Speaker 2: Right after this, right in the middle of to Catch

96
00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,360
Speaker 2: a Cheater, if you're just joining us, Crystal is on

97
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200
Speaker 2: the phone and she thinks that her boyfriend of one

98
00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,120
Speaker 2: year named Bryce might be cheating. So in just a minute,

99
00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,640
Speaker 2: we're about to call him and pretend to be from

100
00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,120
Speaker 2: the grocery store where he's a rewards card member and

101
00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,680
Speaker 2: say that every single month, we choose one rewards card

102
00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,640
Speaker 2: member who gets free flowers delivered to anybody that they want.

103
00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,600
Speaker 2: Will seev sends them to her or to somebody else

104
00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,680
Speaker 2: in just a second. But first, Crystal, why don't you

105
00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,480
Speaker 2: refresh everybody's memory about your situation?

106
00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:19,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

107
00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,080
Speaker 3: So, Bryce and I live together.

108
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,680
Speaker 4: We've been together for over a year and living together

109
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,520
Speaker 4: for the past six or so months. And he travels

110
00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,560
Speaker 4: a lot for work because he works in sales, And

111
00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,920
Speaker 4: whenever he comes back from his trips, like he seems

112
00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,600
Speaker 4: to have like new clothes on or like in his

113
00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,320
Speaker 4: bag that I haven't seen before, and he doesn't want

114
00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,360
Speaker 4: to be intimate with me for like the first few

115
00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,239
Speaker 4: days that he's back, and it just feels really really bizarre.

116
00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,840
Speaker 5: Okay, and it's definite change.

117
00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,839
Speaker 3: In behavior, absolutely. Yeah.

118
00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,719
Speaker 5: All right, Well, are you ready for us to call him?

119
00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

120
00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:54,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Here we go.

121
00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:06,400
Speaker 4: Hello.

122
00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,520
Speaker 2: Hey, this is Jorden calling from So I was looking

123
00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,359
Speaker 2: for a rewards card member named Bryce.

124
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's rue.

125
00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,119
Speaker 2: Bryce. Please don't hang up. This is not a marketing

126
00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 2: phone call. I'm calling to tell you congratulations here this

127
00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,000
Speaker 2: month's big winner.

128
00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean, what did I the game certificate

129
00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,360
Speaker 7: or what what's the deal.

130
00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,840
Speaker 2: Maybe you aren't aware, but every single month, we choose

131
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,800
Speaker 2: one Rewards Card member to say thank you very much

132
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,720
Speaker 2: for being such a loyal customer and for shopping with

133
00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,800
Speaker 2: us by giving them free flowers delivered straight from our

134
00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,960
Speaker 2: flooral department to anybody that they want in the entire

135
00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,680
Speaker 2: United States of America. You've just won thirty six longstem

136
00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,000
Speaker 2: red roses, a box of candy, and a card to

137
00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,560
Speaker 2: be delivered to anybody that you want.

138
00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:44,800
Speaker 3: Wow.

139
00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,760
Speaker 1: I assume that comes with a vase.

140
00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:49,400
Speaker 5: Yes, it does.

141
00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay, if you know who you want to send them

142
00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,960
Speaker 2: to right now, I can take the information in just

143
00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,359
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes over the phone.

144
00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 1: Actually, good, timely, I got a good I got a

145
00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,080
Speaker 1: good solid five minutes.

146
00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,240
Speaker 5: Great, right, well, let's hop to it.

147
00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,919
Speaker 2: Then if you just the name of the person you

148
00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,360
Speaker 2: want to send them to, and then what you would

149
00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,560
Speaker 2: want to put on a card, and then I will

150
00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,320
Speaker 2: get the address. All right, yeah, first will be the

151
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,920
Speaker 2: first and last name of the person.

152
00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,200
Speaker 1: Got you, Meredith.

153
00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,200
Speaker 5: Anything you want to put on a card for Meredith?

154
00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,760
Speaker 1: Uh, let me think.

155
00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,239
Speaker 7: Uh uh maybe like to my wife.

156
00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,760
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm sorry, I have to I have

157
00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,440
Speaker 4: to cut you off.

158
00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,400
Speaker 3: I have to cut you off. This is Crystal.

159
00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,440
Speaker 4: I'm sorry you did you just say wife? I'm nearing

160
00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,320
Speaker 4: you correctly, you said Meredith is your wife.

161
00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,360
Speaker 5: This is actually the Jubile Show. It's a radio show.

162
00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,640
Speaker 2: We do a thing where we try to catch people

163
00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,880
Speaker 2: cheating by saying where they'll send flowers, and that is

164
00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,800
Speaker 2: your girlfriend, Crystal.

165
00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,039
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go ahead and let's sea back out of

166
00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:51,600
Speaker 5: the conversation.

167
00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,920
Speaker 3: This is a sorry.

168
00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm having right now.

169
00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,719
Speaker 4: Yes, how can you not understand that you have a

170
00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,680
Speaker 4: wife and I'm your girlfriend? Like? Is it when did

171
00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:06,440
Speaker 4: you get married?

172
00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,000
Speaker 3: Was that not something you thought I should know? Crystal?

173
00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, You're I'm like, this is a thousand miles

174
00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,760
Speaker 1: an hour. I have no idea. What's happening in my

175
00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,160
Speaker 1: head is spinning. I don't understand.

176
00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,720
Speaker 3: Okay, don't play a phone call. And you're on the

177
00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,640
Speaker 3: phone here, You're.

178
00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,920
Speaker 4: You're playing dumb. Okay, you know what our relationship is,

179
00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,080
Speaker 4: and clearly you know that you have a wife, and

180
00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,840
Speaker 4: I'm asking you to explain to me when you got

181
00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,480
Speaker 4: married and why you thought it was okay to keep

182
00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:30,920
Speaker 4: that from me.

183
00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,320
Speaker 7: Oh god, Crystal, I I didn't want to have to

184
00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,880
Speaker 7: talk about this in this way.

185
00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,000
Speaker 3: Here we are.

186
00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,600
Speaker 1: And I got married five years ago, but.

187
00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,200
Speaker 7: Five years ago, but I was separated when I met you,

188
00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,400
Speaker 7: and I and I did not know what was going

189
00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,680
Speaker 7: on in life, and I did not know I was

190
00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,920
Speaker 7: going to fall for you, and the relationship with you

191
00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,480
Speaker 7: and I have is a real thing.

192
00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,400
Speaker 1: I just did not.

193
00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:12,080
Speaker 2: And I'm constantly why are you sending flowers to your wife?

194
00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 5: Then?

195
00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,480
Speaker 1: Because I have been spending more time in Arizona with

196
00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,960
Speaker 1: Meredith and I have been kind of living this this

197
00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,880
Speaker 1: double This sucks, dude. I can't believe this.

198
00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this sucks for you.

199
00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,320
Speaker 4: Hello, I'm the victim here.

200
00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,080
Speaker 3: Let's not let's not play the victim.

201
00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,600
Speaker 1: I know I did not know what.

202
00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,320
Speaker 7: Was happening, and then I needed distance from her, and

203
00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,800
Speaker 7: then you and I started obviously working out, which gave

204
00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,800
Speaker 7: me like distance from her, which made me realize that

205
00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,720
Speaker 7: that relationship could work. And then in the last few months,

206
00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,959
Speaker 7: I guess that I have been with her and.

207
00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,440
Speaker 1: Connecting with her.

208
00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,680
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's where you've been going to Arizona to

209
00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,880
Speaker 4: be with your wife that I didn't know existed, and

210
00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,000
Speaker 4: that's why when you come back, you have new clothes

211
00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,640
Speaker 4: and you don't want to have back. Is that right?

212
00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,760
Speaker 3: Just making sure I have that right? Yes, okay, right, Well,

213
00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,560
Speaker 3: if this is a situation.

214
00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,520
Speaker 4: Then I'm going to send you a bill for half

215
00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,600
Speaker 4: of our rent for the last eight months and you're

216
00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,520
Speaker 4: gonna pay it, and honestly, I'm gonna block your number.

217
00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,520
Speaker 4: I never want to hear from you again. So yeah,

218
00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,120
Speaker 4: thank you for showing me who you really are.

219
00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:37,480
Speaker 3: Jesus.

220
00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Crystal, I'm sorry.

221
00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,000
Speaker 4: No, no, I don't want to hear that.

222
00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,520
Speaker 3: That's that's ridiculous.

223
00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,280
Speaker 5: I hung up on him, Crystal, so he's gone now.

224
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,280
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Oh my gosh, that's ridiculous.

225
00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,600
Speaker 2: So sorry, no, thank you. Well, I guess you got

226
00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,920
Speaker 2: your questions answered and now you can move on and

227
00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,000
Speaker 2: remember in your future relationships, somebody being married and having

228
00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,199
Speaker 2: a whole nother life is pretty rare.

229
00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,040
Speaker 5: So that's true.

230
00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,760
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, obviously, protect yourself, but try to

231
00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,040
Speaker 2: do your best to make this situation this situation moving forward.

232
00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:18,679
Speaker 5: It'll be hard, but.

233
00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and I know you don't want to hear this,

234
00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,040
Speaker 6: and I know you already know, but the Internet is

235
00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,800
Speaker 6: your best friend. Sometimes I wonder why people are always

236
00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,640
Speaker 6: doing background searches.

237
00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,960
Speaker 5: Oh hello, that makes more sense. Sorry, let us know

238
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,280
Speaker 5: if you need anything. Okay, I'm sorry. You have some peace,

239
00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,920
Speaker 5: all right? Good luck.

240
00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,120
Speaker 3: The Jewel Shows To

241
00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,320
Speaker 1: Catch a Cheater