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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, a

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Speaker 1: show about cool people in history, especially rebels and nonconformists

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Speaker 1: and activists and people who threw bombs and dictators and

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Speaker 1: ship like that. This week we're more on the nonconformist

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Keildroy, and my guest this week

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Speaker 1: is my friend Garrison Davis, who is also a cool person.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm a certified cool person. I believe I

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Speaker 1: have declared myself the arbiter of cool, which was never

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Speaker 1: my intention, but you are among them. I have you

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Speaker 1: down as an investigative journalist, the co host of It

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Speaker 1: Could Happen Here, and generally just an appreciator of really

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Speaker 1: weird ship. That's fair. That's fair, Yes, most most of

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Speaker 1: the bases. I'm doing great. And we also have our

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Speaker 1: producer Sophie licht Erman on the show, best known for

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Speaker 1: her work raising a dog named Anderson. Little known fact,

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Speaker 1: she's also a podcast producer. How are you, Sophie, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm yeah. Excellent for you, thank you, credible lack

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Speaker 1: of adjectives. I'm getting better at this against the tyranny

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Speaker 1: of the adjective new essay forthcoming, not the tyrannous adjectives. Um,

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Speaker 1: the main reason people have been asking me if the

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Speaker 1: main reason that Sophie is on the show is to

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Speaker 1: cover for me when I don't get pop culture references.

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Speaker 1: And that is true. Well, yeah, that does happen all

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Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. So, Garrison, today we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about it's a very famous year in American history, and

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Speaker 1: in this very famous year. One of guess what the

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Speaker 1: most important thing that happened in the year seventeen seventy

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Speaker 1: six was, oh, man, seventeen seventy six. So I'm Canadian,

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Speaker 1: I by birth, so let me let me think. Um,

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Speaker 1: I didn't people like make make a piece of paper

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was going to talk though, about

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Speaker 1: the most important thing that happened, which was that it

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Speaker 1: was the birth of Public Universal Friend. In seventy Public

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Speaker 1: Universal Friend was born. Harrison, have you ever heard of

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Speaker 1: Public Universal Friend? I think so. I'm it's that it

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Speaker 1: sounds it sounds familiar. Yes, Well, it's not every year

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Speaker 1: that a genderless servant of the Lord comes down from

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Speaker 1: is reborn as basically the nicest peace and love transgender

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Speaker 1: cult leader you could ever hope to meet. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that cult definitely gender fucking It's probably not a gay

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Speaker 1: sex cult. I couldn't promise you it's not a gay

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Speaker 1: sex cult. I'll let you decide, since the history books

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Speaker 1: sure don't want to tell you. So to start off,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to talk about pronouns in gender, right,

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Speaker 1: because that's one of the central points of today's topic,

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Speaker 1: and that means we need to start where all conversations

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Speaker 1: about pronouns and genders start with furry porn. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're not as rung as you should be. Um,

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Speaker 1: but continue, Yes, okay, So have you ever seen the

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Speaker 1: geek hierarchy. It's this chart from two thousand two. Yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So at the top of it, At the top of

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Speaker 1: and then it descends down through all of various people

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Speaker 1: At the very bottom, there's fan fiction writers, but below

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Speaker 1: geek hierarchy is people who write erotic versions of Star

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Speaker 1: of themselves as the star of the story. Yes, very

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Speaker 1: very relatable experience. Yes, So what would you say if

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Speaker 1: by a poet named William. The book is called William

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Speaker 1: the Werewolf. It's a romance. It's about a guy named

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Speaker 1: And I know you're thinking, but how is this going

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Speaker 1: to be fan fiction, Margaret, Well, it's a retelling of

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Speaker 1: how little our culture has changed. Yeah. Yeah, our type

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Speaker 1: whose gender is not known or is not being revealed

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Speaker 1: by the speaker. Right, like in the sentence, I saw

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Speaker 1: I'm not describing the specific gender of the person or

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Speaker 1: Twitter at I write Okay, yes, yea. So, but the

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Speaker 1: singular days, I suspect you might be aware, is used

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Speaker 1: there's also a movement interwoven within all of that where

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Speaker 1: So you was the plural, and thou and thee were

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Speaker 1: our universal friend, our public universal friend. The person who

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Speaker 1: the women who foughfer the revolution they managed to, you know,

424
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, we're we're shifting our gender roles around

425
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: all of that, and they absolutely end up structurally worse

426
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: off at the end of the war. The promises of

427
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: liberty like voting, improperty rights do not apply to them.

428
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: Women are supposed to go home and make babies to

429
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: raise up the next generation of good American manly man soldiers,

430
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: and even religiously, this doesn't work out. Women start off

431
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: at the forefront of starting a lot of these new

432
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: sects and new religious ideas and the Great Awakening, which

433
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: is a period of religious turmoil before the Revolution, and

434
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: then those sex formalized and women were cut out of

435
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: the picture, and then even men get sucked over by

436
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: patriarchy and being forced into gender roles. Right during the

437
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: Great Awakening, before the Revolution, there were like men and

438
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: women both moving towards this concept of being brides of Christ,

439
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: which included yeah, yeah, yeah, Um, I'm actually curious. I

440
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: hadn't run across this much before. I think you have

441
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: more of a religious background than I do, and so

442
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I mean, my my like experience is with

443
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: the religious background is more evangelical. We don't have as

444
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: much of like the bright of Christ type thing because

445
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: that that's generally more like traditional uh, like congregations are sex,

446
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: Evangelicals are generally not. But even you definitely within the

447
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: Christian milieu, you hear stuff about that concept a decent amount. Yeah,

448
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: that this might tie into this whole thing. So it's

449
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: basically like so religious men were moving away from these

450
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: like masculine traits like pursuit of wealth, physical violence, and

451
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: drinking alcohol. These were seen as like masculine traits, but

452
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: they were moving away from those things to become brides

453
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: of Christ. After the Revolution, Nope, no more bride of Christ.

454
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: Enter the Christian soldier. Times of flat circle yep, and

455
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: a good manly Christian soldier knows that his wife knows

456
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: her place subordinate to him, no more equal in the

457
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: eyes of God. Ship. Yeah, I don't know if my

458
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: cynicism of the US is coming across well enough in

459
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: this script, might have made it too subtle. So Jemimah

460
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: Wilkinson's come back to her. She's not around much longer

461
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: in this story. She dies soon. Jemima Wilkinson is still

462
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Jemima Wilkinson. In seventeen seventy six, she was a twenty

463
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: four year old, unmarried woman. Some historians are like, Wow,

464
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: she must have been so worried that she hadn't gotten

465
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: married and had kids yet. But I have a feeling

466
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: that was not a burdensome arrangement for her. Uh. Not

467
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: getting married was also a fairly common thing among Quaker

468
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: women anyway, something like ten percent of them never bothered,

469
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: And Jemima was cheating on Quakerism. Half of her family

470
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: had been kicked out, so I don't really blame her.

471
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: She was hanging out with the New Light Baptists as well,

472
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: which was a reform movement within the Baptist Church, and

473
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: they were into this idea that divine insight came from

474
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: divine revelation. The Quakers didn't like that she was cheating

475
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: on them, and she joined four of her siblings and

476
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: being kicked out of her local society of friends. Then

477
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: less than a month later, she got sick. There's a

478
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: Continental Navy ship called the Columbus that decided to live

479
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: up to its namesake while docked in Providence, Rhode Island,

480
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: and it brought disease to the people living there. This

481
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: disease was probably typhus and it was called Columbus fever.

482
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Typhus is a bacterial disease that used to kill the

483
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: ship out of people all over the world, but it's

484
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: pretty much under control with antibiotics. Jemima Wilkinson was living

485
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: at home when she got sick on October five. By

486
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: the sixth, she was sick as fuck. The doctor came

487
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: and was probably like, I don't know, sorry, kids, you're

488
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: living in the wrong century. There's nothing we can do. Yeah,

489
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's that's exactly what doctors said back then. Yeah, totally,

490
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: Like once we figure out biotics, we're going to figure

491
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: out antibiotics and we're gonna be in such better shapes

492
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: or just hold on for a couple hundred, like two hundred,

493
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: three hundred years, and it'll be slightly better unless it's

494
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: a virus than you're still fucked. So yeah, whatever, Yeah,

495
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: here's some leeches. I actually don't know enough about exactly

496
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: where they were at with their medicine at the time. No,

497
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, yeah, Graham would be later on,

498
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: and oh boy. In terms of fun Christians, I think

499
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: I think everyone's everyone's pretty pretty familiar with with. No,

500
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't know who Graham is. Oh, the guy who

501
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: invented the Graham cracker and people the bloodletting baths and

502
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: all of all the stuff. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. In

503
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: terms of like fun like Christian doctors, Yeah, what do

504
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: you think is going to be the stuff the stuff

505
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: from right now that people two years late from now

506
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: we're going to be like, oh my god, I can't

507
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: believe they did that. That's something I wonder a lot

508
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: of the time, actually, and I don't. It's always it's

509
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: always hard to say, right because whenever you start getting

510
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: sure of yourself, that's just like hubris and foolish um.

511
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: But it's something I definitely contemplate a lot, like what

512
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: types of things we do now? Will people eventually be like, whoa,

513
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: look at those lunatics. I I hope that we look

514
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: back at cancer the way that we currently look back

515
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: at like things that antibiotics fixed. God, I hope. So yeah,

516
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean that would that would be great. As someone

517
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: who was supposed to many cancers chemicals the past two years,

518
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: I would that would be nice. Yeah, well those are

519
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: good for you. That's that's what the doctors and the

520
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: bodies to say. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with tear gas.

521
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: It's it's actually used to treat um a lot of

522
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: unruling nous. Nothing wrong with the harsh, the harsh metals

523
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: and the tear guess canisters that were older than I was.

524
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: That doesn't take much. Sorry, but I know definitely there

525
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: were there were a few of them that were like

526
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: banned from the military because they kept killing people in

527
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: the military dirty during like basic training. Yeah, you're like, oh,

528
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: they were just using those on kids. Yeah, that makes sense.

529
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: It's exciting. It is exciting. Everyone gets to be part

530
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: of a grand experiment. So the grand experiment of Typhus

531
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: is um it's kill and Jemima on the tent, you know,

532
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: five days into into her illness. The family is basically

533
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: like figuring out what the fun her funeral is going

534
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: to be, like, she's she's not coming back. And then

535
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: on the eleventh she died at least to hear the

536
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: Public Universal Friend tell it. The doctor claims otherwise. The

537
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: doctor claims that this person recovered. But on October eleven,

538
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: the person in bed wasn't sick anymore. They got up,

539
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: told everyone that Jemima had died, her soul had gone

540
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: up to heaven, and God put a genderlest divine spirit

541
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: into the body to reanimate it. The spirit was named,

542
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: of course, the Public Universal Friend, a holy prophet who

543
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna, yeah call puff. I mean I have, I

544
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: have had similar experiences when I've had intense, intense fever

545
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: dreams before. So I can, I can, I can kind

546
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: of see how you could get there. Oh yeah, no, totally.

547
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like honestly, the wildest part about this is

548
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: picking a name that isn't a name. As far as

549
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm concerted, like I thought my friends were, you know,

550
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: interesting that they call themselves like raccoon or squid or something.

551
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: But um, Public Universal Friend, that's a you know there,

552
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: I've never heard such a non binary name before. I know,

553
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is much more aspirational than just

554
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: naming yourself after whatever the closest in inanimate object is. Well,

555
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: today I'm Cup because that's the cup that I'm looking at.

556
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: And to be clear, my name is Magpie also, And

557
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: I am not attempting to speak badly of people who

558
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: name themselves after I just think it's funny. I think

559
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: it's a nice trend. Yeah, exactly. At this moment, realizing

560
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: that like, you know, we're people who don't know us

561
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: might might think. Okay. So, while they died, two angels appeared, with,

562
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: in Puff's own words, golden crowns upon their heads. Clothed

563
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: in long white robes down to the feet. The angels

564
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: announced that there was room, room room in the many

565
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: mansions of eternal glory for the and for everyone. They

566
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: said that everyone will come, may come and partake of

567
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: the waters of life freely, which is offered to sit nurse,

568
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: without money and without price. Oh, and that the world's

569
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: gonna end, okay, I mean, yeah, sure, yeah, in less

570
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: than four years, the world's gonna okay. Well yeah, um,

571
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: so it's the it's the last chance for sinners to

572
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: get absolved and live forever, and puff is like, hey,

573
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: and all you gotta do to get saved is follow me.

574
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: And new sects and even people experiencing a new birth

575
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: before heading off to preach, or those claiming direct messages

576
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: from God were the style of the time. So this

577
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: wasn't as weird as it sounds. And I mean, well, okay,

578
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: it was as weird as it sounds. It's just it

579
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: wasn't as a regular Yeah, yeah, totally. And so friend

580
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: is a word for Quaker, right, but public friend was

581
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: a word that Quakers were using for their itinerant preachers.

582
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: So a public friend with someone who goes around and

583
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: spreads the good word or whatever. And I'm reasonably sure

584
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: that universal is a nod to the universalism concept that

585
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: was in spite of the time. That's that was. That

586
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: was the next thing I was going to ask, because

587
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: that would that was also where my brain was heading,

588
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: which I you know, it's like I I I grew

589
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: up lapsed Catholic and I'm still there and so I

590
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: don't know everything about all this stuff, but as far

591
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: as I can tell, universalism is basically like everyone eventually

592
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: gets into heaven? Is that more usually? Um, I mean

593
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot of different sects. I mean, there's

594
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: like a philosophy of universalism, but for Christian ones. Yeah,

595
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: it's like we kind of all have our path that

596
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: we're going to end up inside, inside, inside someplace that

597
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: we're like meant to be. It's not, it's not it's

598
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: it's not like Calvinism and like it's not like determinism,

599
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's definitely more of a softer look

600
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: at it. I believe I could be wrong, but I

601
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: thought Jefferson was a big universalist. I I will take

602
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: your word for it. I definitely remember that when I

603
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: was more into the pology. Okay, yeah, yeah, I learned

604
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: about this ship as it relates to people like this.

605
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: So it's like a little bit interesting to me that

606
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: Puff is going for universalism basically since they're they're saying

607
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: you have to get to heaven through my teachings, and

608
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: I personally just hate the heaven health things so much

609
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: that it kind of rubs me the wrong way everywhere.

610
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, whatever, So Puff isn't the first Quaker

611
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: to rise up from their deathbed and head off to preach.

612
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm mostly including this other person because their name is Margaret,

613
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: and I like including Margaret's in the story whenever possible.

614
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: Margaret Brewster was a Quaker who a hundred years earlier,

615
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: in six seventy seven, rose up from her deathbed from

616
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: illness and decided to head off to Boston to preach.

617
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: And Boston at the time was violently anti Quaker, like

618
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: in a it's illegal to be a Quaker or be

619
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: friends with Quakers kind of way, like a break down

620
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: the doors of every Quaker gathering and arrest everyone way

621
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: because sucking Puritans. I just looked up something on Thomas

622
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Jefferson and he was He was, in fact not a Universalist.

623
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: He was instead a Unitarian, which is a much worse,

624
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: much worse theology than universalism. Um and universalism does have

625
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: disagreements on whether hell exists or what it is. Between

626
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: different sex generally they don't believe in like an eternal hell.

627
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: They generally if there is. If if there is a hell,

628
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: it's like more of a like a it's like a

629
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: purgatory that you like spend being punished for any kind

630
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: of bad deeds on on your way to like your

631
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: place of happiness and fulfillment. But it's not something that

632
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: you like stay forever. Okay, No, that that makes sense.

633
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: So our girl, Margaret, she's risen up from the dead, right,

634
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: and she throws on a burlap sack, and she paints

635
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: her face black with ashes. But this is hundreds of

636
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: years before black face is a concept in US society

637
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: appeared and Quakers would basically sometimes dress in sacks and

638
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: paint themselves with ashes to show how humble they were whatever,

639
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: which is it's not a practice that age as well, right, No,

640
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: But but she she dresses up like this, and she

641
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: and four others storm into a Puritan church in Boston,

642
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: and people shrieked and shouted and fainted, which rules she

643
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: was arrested, strip naked and drawn through town tied behind

644
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: a cart while being whipped. People really didn't like the

645
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: Quakers in Boston at that point. But anyway, that's that's

646
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: the Margaret who was the other Quaker comes back from illness.

647
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: But let's talk about puff. But before we talk about puff,

648
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: we need to talk about wholesome products. Do you have

649
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: a wholesome product that you would like to plug here?

650
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: For example, we have previously plugged potatoes as a concept,

651
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: half water as a concept, a good comb as a concept.

652
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know in terms of a concept that is truly,

653
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: truly pluggable to be upon this platform. Um, I don't know.

654
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: There's there's there's there could be a lot of a

655
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of things that are plug worthy, you know. Oh, no,

656
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: these are plugs. These are advertisers. We're we're sponsored. We're

657
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: sponsored by the concept of potatoes. So yeah, so they're

658
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: paying us. Oh that's totally different then, Um, in that case,

659
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: we are sponsored by the the rough concept of cr gas,

660
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: which I keep. I keep. I keep a canist I have.

661
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I have a little dome that I keep a saint

662
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: canister of next to where I do work. And I've

663
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: been told by quote unquote scientists that I shouldn't do

664
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: that because me being exposed just to the canister where

665
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: the metals were could have quote unquote health consequences. Now

666
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't really trust quote unquote scientists. Like where do

667
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: they get their authority from? I don't know. So there's

668
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: no system by which to find out where they come

669
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: up with their information. There's no record of how they

670
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: how they No, so come on, Yeah, it's a little

671
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: bit iffy, but yeah, see our gas. I think eventually

672
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: I might just use it as like a pipe. I

673
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: think it would be a good a good way. So

674
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: if you want to have a good time, invest in

675
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: some ce our gas or any of the other products

676
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: and services that support this show. And we are back

677
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: now that we've all heard about both good things and

678
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: then the things that Garrison mistakenly believes are good and

679
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: the things that advertisers are trying to sell you, which

680
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: may be anywhere on the spectrum between those things. So

681
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: so Puff, for her part, waste no time to start

682
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: preaching their new religious sect. First they try at their

683
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: local Society of Friends, of course, but the Quakers are

684
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: not having it. Within Yeah, like, well wasn't wasn't Were

685
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: they like just excommunicating Yeah yeah yeah pretty recently. Yeah,

686
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: I think that they showed the feeling I get is

687
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: that they showed back up, being like I'm back from

688
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: the day and now I'm the public universal friend and

689
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: like they're like nah yeah, like one by one everyone

690
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: stands up and it's like get out. Um. So so

691
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: instead they go to a Baptist church and they go

692
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: to the service, and then after the service they give

693
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: a sermon of their own under the tree outside, and

694
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: the sermon was the thing that's cool about Puff is

695
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: less they're like groundbreaking theology. One I only half care

696
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: about theology. Into what they were saying was not wildly original.

697
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: The public universal friend was like, virtue is good, sin

698
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: is bad, repentance is good. Also, the world's ending. So

699
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: all the same ship that you hear everywhere at the time,

700
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: but they are not the usual preacher is the big difference.

701
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: So they start preaching at home on their father's farm.

702
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: Their father, their family was their first converts, and soon

703
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: their dad was thrown out of the Quakers for believing

704
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: his kid. This whole family gets kicked to the Quakers.

705
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: It's three more of their siblings are soon to follow.

706
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, I think the single most utopian thing,

707
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: like the part that's the hardest to believe about this

708
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: entire thing is that Puff was like, I'm not your

709
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: daughter anymore. I'm neither a man nor a woman. And

710
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: their family was like, all right, like I know what happens,

711
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: but it doesn't even happen to most people, now, you know. No,

712
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: it was yeah, I mean, they must have been very

713
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: convincing about how God sent them a new, a new

714
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: spirit to inhabit their body. It was like, really sold

715
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: that because it seems hardy. They they were really good

716
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: at this thing that they did. Um, the abolitionist Moses

717
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: Brown came to see them speak, and incidentally so so.

718
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: John Brown's death kicked off the Civil War. But apparently

719
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: his guy, Moses Brown, had a brother also named John Brown,

720
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: and his arrest for torching a British customship in seventeen

721
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: seventy two was a big part of kicking off the

722
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: Revolutionary War. So I think the lesson is, don't arrest

723
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: people named John Brown unless you're ready for war, or

724
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: the lesson is that fucking everybody used to be named

725
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: John Brown. Yeah, I'm not sure Whigy Puff starts getting popular.

726
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: People liked the strange, generalist preacher who said things they

727
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of already agreed with. Puff also advocated celibacy. Celibacy

728
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: wasn't mandatory. Even married couples were encouraged to not funk

729
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: if they could help it, And I get the feeling

730
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: that this was actually a fairly big part of their

731
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: draw not necessarily from a self denial point of view,

732
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: but like, let's say you just don't want to fuck,

733
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: or especially you don't want to suck your spouse in

734
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: a time when marriage is not something that you always

735
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: have a ton of control over or you don't want

736
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: like thirteen kids. Yeah, if you don't want thirteen kids,

737
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: you hang out with Puff. Maybe you're gay, maybe your ace,

738
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't like your husband, maybe don't wan any

739
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: more kids, maybe you don't like babies. It's everyone's welcome, yeah, exactly,

740
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: everyone's welcome. And then the way that gay ship gets

741
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: written out of history. It's hard to read between the lines,

742
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: right because like history books are like, and there were

743
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: no gay people until you know, nine until stone Wall

744
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, and like, you know, the statistically

745
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: a ton of these people are gay, So it's it's

746
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: always just a weird trying to read between the lines.

747
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: Later on, Puff is going to live in a big

748
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: house full of unmarried women and occasionally get caught with

749
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: them in in their bed, but they just sound like

750
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: good friends to me. Yeah. Um, history books are just

751
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna put that in as like throw away one liners

752
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: without any context or analysis. They'll be like and then

753
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: one person accused them of having a girl in their

754
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: bed or whatever, but al pals Yeah either way. Puff

755
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: preaches against lustful sex and if you're going to have sex,

756
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: and let's face it, people are going to have sex,

757
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: it better be with your spouse. Okay, sure, So that's

758
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: that's there. That's their party line, right. Puff is also

759
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: really into lane dress on paper, but they definitely had style,

760
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: and they were always wearing new clothes and nice clothes,

761
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: not like fancy clothes, but they had good style, and

762
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: they wore clothes specifically designed for androgyny. They wore a while.

763
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: All right, so this is what the kids would call.

764
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: They would say that public universal friend has dripped is

765
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: what is what? Yes, I believe you. I've heard this before.

766
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: I am old enough that if I said this it

767
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: would sound like fake, so I won't. Uh. Their drip

768
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: was that's all just making fun of market really quick.

769
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: But then all right, so they wore a wide brimmed

770
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: hat like male Quakers, like the dude from the Quaker

771
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: Oats logo, and then they paired it with clothes of

772
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: various clergy like robes and cloaks and ship plus a cravat,

773
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: which is like what later develops into a necktie. I mean,

774
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: that's basically how I treat Yeah, yeah, no. Garrison started

775
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: off this call with a huge, wide brimmed hat and

776
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm currently wearing one of my biggest cloaks. Yeah, trans

777
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: non binary fashion has not aged a day. Well. They

778
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: also and this is literally what I wore before. I

779
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: actually would still wear this, but my um. They wore

780
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: skirts paired with waistcoats. Oh I was doing that, Yeah

781
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: now I was one of my favorite looks. Um and Uh.

782
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: Basically they wore a mix of men's clothes, women's clothing,

783
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: and priests clothes. But then priests closed from all different denominations.

784
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: Oh they just like me. Yeah, maybe you are the

785
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: reincarnation of Puff. I couldn't prove it, so yeah, you

786
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: who knows most scandalous lee. They never wore a cap

787
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: like women were supposed to wear inside and outside, and

788
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: most people actually mistook them for a man. They were tall,

789
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: and they spoke with a deep voice and signal mask

790
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: ualinity in their dress more than femininity. So and when

791
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: they were asked if they were a man or a woman,

792
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: Puff generally replied, I am what I am. That's great.

793
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it gets better. When people gave them ship

794
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: for how they dressed, they apparently replied, I am not

795
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: accountable to mortals. Jesus Christ treads cultures do age today,

796
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: it's exactly the same, and so so a lot of

797
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: the women in her congregation picked up on the style,

798
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: and at least one place claims that in private, a

799
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: bunch of the women took on the names of male

800
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: profits say this whole culture that's cross dressing and taking

801
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: names of other genders. A lot of Puff's outfits, especially

802
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: the clerical elements, seemed designed to hide their body, which

803
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: I absolutely wholeheartedly respect. Yeah, it's the it's the trans

804
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: person wearing a baky hoodie trumph. Yeah. Yeah, but just

805
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: was clerical, which I'm literally wearing right now. Before I

806
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: was fully out as trans, and I was just a

807
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: frostressing man named Margaret. One of my friends asked me

808
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: kind of politely, is your gender identity, Wraith, and and honestly, yeah,

809
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: I could see. I could see it. Yet, Yeah, that's

810
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: not not my gender identity. That's yeah, that's it's not wrong,

811
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: it's just incomplete. Yeah. And then I started a band

812
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: called Feminale School. I mean, like, um, I don't mind

813
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: the race thing. Uh So even the men among them

814
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: moved slightly towards drogyny, although less in clothing and more

815
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: in mannerism, and sure, yeah, and these definitions of a

816
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: feministy were really revolutionary wartime ship. They they showed emotion.

817
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: That's what people complained about the most. Oh that's fun

818
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: sissy men. They're being impacted emotionally by the world. Fucked them.

819
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: Even worse, they would ask Huff for help on how

820
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: to do things. Men should not ask a quote woman

821
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: for help. What's wrong with them? Some of the men

822
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: even let women be their equals or run their households.

823
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: So scandal. Yeah. Soon Puff is preaching throughout Rhode Island

824
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, fitting with their role as a doomsayer. They

825
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: particularly like speaking at funerals and executions. Trans culture is

826
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: not ageedis tingle today? There was a there's a war

827
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: on so death preaching is kind of a boom industry, right,

828
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: And they would they would pray for the souls of

829
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: the condemned and the executioners, and they end up getting

830
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: called the friend of sinners, which is yeah, I mean,

831
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: this is this is just like trans person goes on

832
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: a first date of this a cemetery trip. Yeah, okay.

833
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: And so their mannerisms were just odd enough and their

834
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: voice was eerie and otherworldly and masculine enough, which I

835
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: have a feeling was an affectation. Everyone kept being like

836
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: their voices so eerie and I'm like the rules they're

837
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: just putting on a voice. But who knows, and it

838
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: it leans, it lends credits to their claims of divinity,

839
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean, or there whatever like or their voice changed

840
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: completely when you know they died in a spirit of

841
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: the Lord entered their body. Who knows. In seventeen seventy eight,

842
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: they converted the entire family of a Justice of the

843
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: Rhode Island Supreme Court, William Potter, Penelope Potter, and their

844
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: thirteen kids, Puff moved out of their dad's farm and

845
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: into Judge Potter's mansion in a town called Little Rest Potter.

846
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: Potter started building onto the mansion too to make room

847
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: for everyone, and since Puff's doctrine was abolitionist, Potter freed

848
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: all of the people he'd have been enslaving. And Okay,

849
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: in the yeah, like in the grand scheme of things,

850
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: like cults are sketchy, slavery is worse. So in the

851
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: paper Rocks scissors, that is, cult beats slavery than cult.

852
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: Find by me, it's not actually paper rocks as or

853
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: slavery doesn't beat anything, it's just bad. And and also

854
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: people are allowed to come and go freely, so it's

855
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: actually more of a sect than a cult. And I'm

856
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: just going to use the terms interchangeably because I'm not

857
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: a proper story and i don't really care. Quakers started

858
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: pouring into Puffs group, and Quaker authorities were like, you're

859
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: not even allowed to go to a meeting because of

860
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: how many Quakers were jumping ship on Quakerism and joining Puff. Well,

861
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: it has a name later later is the Society of

862
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: Universal Friends. And most of their converts are people who

863
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: got hawked out of the Quakers. Because the Quakers are

864
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: throwing everyone out left in right, thousands of people start

865
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: coming to their events, all led by this genderalist preacher.

866
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: In seventeen seventy nine, Puff published the first pamphlet with

867
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: the evocative title of some Considerations propounded to the several

868
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: sorts and sex of this age. Transperson makes a zine

869
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: drove and and it's complete plagiarism. Ok. Yeah, trans culture

870
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: has an age today. To quote from the book The

871
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: Public Universal Friend by Paul by Moyer and to avoid

872
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: plagiarism of my own by admitting I'm quoting here. The

873
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: publication is a bald faced act of lagerism, having been

874
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: taken almost word for word from two classic Quaker texts,

875
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: the works of Isaac Pennington and William Sewell's SEO History

876
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: of the Society of Friends That's That's Wonderful by Seen

877
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: eighty three. The sect has a name, the Society of

878
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Universal Friends, and they start building churches. Women and men

879
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: are both joining, and about equal number, most young, like

880
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: in their twenties and thirties, but some old folks are

881
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: joining too, and a statistically significant portion of them are unmarried.

882
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: Like it's something like five of adults weren't married in

883
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: the greater population, and it was like ten to within

884
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: within the society. Nice, and so all these people are

885
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 1: joining the sect that is not theologically different from anything else,

886
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: And so it has to be about the sense of

887
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: community that they fostered. I just wish I knew what

888
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: the community was actually like. They probably weren't like gay

889
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: within any kind of modern sense of that word, but

890
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I at least on like a sect wide level. But

891
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: members tracked their dreams, and a lot of them had

892
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: anxiety dreams about marriage. I read one history sting. Yeah,

893
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: that like one of the things that they all kept

894
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: dream journals, which fucking rules. And I read one historian

895
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: say that this is because they were anxious about their

896
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: marriage to God. But I don't think that's why they

897
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: had anxiety about dream before they like they joined a

898
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: like celibacy cult like this doesn't. Most of the followers

899
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: were white, but there were numerous black followers as well,

900
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: including folks born free and folks escape slavery, and some

901
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: who had been freed by other followers. And I couldn't

902
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: tell you how common it was for these new sects

903
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: to be to have significant black membership other sects I

904
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: don't know. A bunch of the followers of preaching in

905
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: their own right, including women, and Puff had a right

906
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: hand woman, Sarah Richards, who after joining, was with them

907
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: for the rest of her entire life. Gal pals yeah,

908
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: not binary gal pals, yeah, sure. And so the whole

909
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: history of the society is buried under rumors and accusations

910
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: that may or may not mean anything. So like, so

911
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: many people hate them that it really muddies up the

912
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: record about them. But Puff did work as a mediator

913
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: of conflict and oracle of prophecy and a stage. People

914
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: would come and be like, how do I run a farm?

915
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: How do I cook? How do I make clothes? So

916
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: both worldly and other worldly affairs. You could go to

917
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: the public Universal Friend to find out one thing that

918
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: I think people are getting wrong, and at least in

919
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: some of the stuff I read about it, like some

920
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: of the kind of quicker stuff, especially the stuff that

921
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: wants to talk about how great Puff is. People like,

922
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: I've read some stuff that claims that it was like

923
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: fairly free form and anti authoritarian, but I don't think

924
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: that that was true. Um In Puff published an eight

925
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: page list of rules and it was called and I

926
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: swear they are not good at names. The Universal Friends

927
00:53:54,239 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: advice to those of the same religious society. They really

928
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: like alogate all of their titles, which I mean, to

929
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: be fair, was the style at the time. It's like,

930
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: why all those books are so cool? Like the book

931
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: title is just like here's what the book is about,

932
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: you know. And in this book of rules it says

933
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: things like ye cannot be my friends except ye do

934
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: whatsoever I command you. Yeah, not not the best. No,

935
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: this is this is where Puff starts to losing me

936
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: a little bit. Some of the rules were all right,

937
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: like don't lie to people, don't lie about people, don't

938
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: spread rumors. Others were like, don't talk nonsense, only talk

939
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: when there's a reason too. Or children and servants, Oh

940
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: obedience to their superiors and superiors, Oh justice to their subordinates.

941
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: Or church service starts at ten, got to be on time. Um,

942
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: you're allowed to drink a little bit, but not to excess.

943
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Puff would drink wine sometimes. And you're allowed to funk

944
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: every now and then if you like really need to,

945
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: but better if you don't. And you gotta be married

946
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: to Buck, of course, and I'm the only one who

947
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: can give you permission to get married, so I control

948
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: gets the fuck uh. And you should avoid all nonbelievers

949
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: and make interactions with them short and Kurt, And of course,

950
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: believing me is the only way to go to heaven.

951
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: So this is this is like all of my least

952
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: favorite stuff about that Puff all of one paragraph. Yeah,

953
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: that's the kids would say, that's a lot of elves. YEA.

954
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: At some point that you're just going to start lying

955
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: to me and tell me about things that the kids

956
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: would say that are not true. So I'm decided I'm

957
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: not gonna believe you about any of these anymore. But hey,

958
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: and and then the other thing is that that but

959
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: all of these rules it actually, I mean this is

960
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: completely like they still are less suboletarian than most of

961
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: the other religions around. Like, yeah, but I think that's

962
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: where we're gonna leave it today. You've got this new

963
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: sect is just starting to come into power. Uh, Garrison,

964
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the Society Universal Friends so far?

965
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I do like that it carries on the

966
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: great tradition of people who are like what we would

967
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: in modern day call quote unquote trans having really interesting

968
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: ontological spirituality because of how they refer to their own

969
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: ontology and their own sense of being in self and

970
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: how that relates to how they see external reality. I

971
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: think that I like that it carries on that tradition.

972
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely one of my This type of

973
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: thing is like my entire alley. So yeah, I thought

974
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: you might be the right person for this episode, Gared.

975
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: Do you have any things you'd like to plug here

976
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: at the end? Um, let's see you can. You can

977
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: look at me post pictures of my new cat on

978
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter dot com at hungry bow tie. Uh, let's

979
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: see if if you're in Portland, there's gonna be a

980
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: rad Pride on June. I will be tabling some pretty

981
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: ridiculous zines as is our great as is our great tradition.

982
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: It will probably have already happened by the time people

983
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: hear this. Unfortunately. Well, I kind of thought we would

984
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: throw it in near this time so that we could

985
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: get it in for Pride. Okay, well, I take it back.

986
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: You all are maybe even hearing this in June. Oh wow. Well, anyway,

987
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: if if you want some ridiculous zines about gender and occultism,

988
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: then is find find me there and and Margaret anything

989
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: you want to plug at the end here, I have

990
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: a new book that may or may not be available

991
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: for pre order by the time you hear this. It's

992
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: called We Won't be Here Tomorrow and it is short

993
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: stories about trans girl who feeds men to a mermaid

994
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: lover and hackers who troll CEOs into quitting with drones

995
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's available from a k Press.

996
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: And I also would like to plug the fact that

997
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm buying time because I forgot my Instagram handle. My

998
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: Instagram handles, what's so funny is your Instagram handle. It's

999
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: literally yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But so you can

1000
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram at Margaret Killjoy, say almost at

1001
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: Magpie killed Joy. But that's how you can follow me

1002
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: at Twitter is Magpie kill Joy because I made that

1003
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: one a long time ago and I haven't changed it

1004
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: for no good reason. And that's how you can follow

1005
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: me on the Internet. And you can hear more about

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Speaker 1: public Universal Friend on Wednesday. Cool People Who Did Cool

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