1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up. Huddle Up. Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: NFL Network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: reporter J. P. Shadwick bring you the latest on your 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle Up starts right now. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: Welcome in. 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: It is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. It is Wednesday, 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: February eighteen. The hiatus is over. JP Shadwick, John Oser 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: in Jacksonville from the Hyundai Studios. Bucky Brooks joining us 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: from the Big Easy New Orleans, Louisiana. The HBCU Legacy 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: Bowl coming up this weekend. Bucky, it's good to be 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: back with you. The off season break is done and 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 3: we're back to football. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: Man. 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, back to the football, I mean, And this is 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 4: the best part. The clock resets, the season resets. Everybody 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 4: has a chance. We're on the twenty twenty six, so 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 4: I'm excited about it. 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 5: Well, Bucky, let me ask you this. You're I always 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 5: say on this show, you're much more tied in nationally 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 5: than we are, because look, everybody loves Bucky. So you're 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 5: always yeah, you're always talking to people around the league, 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 5: you know, and so you talk to more people with 23 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 5: other teams, et cetera. Any impressions of the Jaguars season 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 5: overall from that perspective, I mean, did it raise eyebrows? 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 5: You know? Was there? You know thirteen and four obviously 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 5: joined the elite teams, But are people worried about this team? 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 5: Is there a respect level all that stuff? You know, 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 5: I'm getting that. 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: A few different things that stood out when I talk 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: to people. One, everyone is fascinated by how the quarterback 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: finally played at that level under Liam Coin. 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: So they wanted to understand what took place, why did 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: they click, and why did they click in the middle 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: of the season because. 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: They played great after the bi week on week right, 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: it rip in those. 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: Things, So they're fascinated by that. 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: They want to understand, like how defense played at such 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: a level in terms of turnovers and making plays, and 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: even though they adopted a bit of a ben but 42 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: don't break style, it seemed like they always came up 43 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 4: big in the clubs. And then the final thing is 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 4: can they do it again? Just because of the history 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: of the franchise and those. 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: Things, how can they do it again? Is this a 47 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: thing that was a one hit wonder? Or are they 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: a team that can sustain their success. So there's a 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: bit of a wait and see. 50 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 4: Factor when it comes to the Jags because it hasn't 51 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: been a you know, the Jacks haven't been a team 52 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: that have always been in the conversation of being a 53 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 4: playoff contender or a title contendant. 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 5: Yet I don't know why. For me, this feels much 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 5: much less like a one hit wonder than either seventeen 56 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 5: or twenty two did. And maybe I'm misremembering how I 57 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 5: felt those off seasons. I think it's because I don't 58 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 5: think you can fake the last eight or nine weeks 59 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 5: that Trevor did, you know, I don't think you sink 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 5: back to interception guy from that. I don't know. I'm 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 5: not sure you can maintain the level for eight straight 62 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 5: games that he did. I mean, that's a really high 63 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 5: level that not many people reach consistently. It's always gonna 64 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 5: be errors, but that didn't feel fluky. And I guess 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 5: maybe the difference in twenty two. They're coming back every week, right, 66 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 5: you know, and everything was ten point rallies and you 67 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 5: felt like you were hanging by a thread. The last 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 5: eight weeks of this season, Trevor and the team just 69 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 5: felt like they were good. And I'm not sure that 70 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 5: you come off that back to seven and ten. I mean, 71 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: I don't know if thirteen and four is realistic. That's 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 5: a hard record to get. But this didn't feel fluky. 73 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: By not fluky at all, I mean they were Blue 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: Team twenty guys. 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 76 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: Well, I think the thing really kind of dawns on 77 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: you how good the team was when you look at 78 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 4: the playoffs and you look at all the teams that 79 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: the Jaguars had beaten, and players about the Broncos, you 80 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: think about the Niners. 81 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: You think about how competitive they were in their game 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: against the Seattle Sea Yaks ultimately won it. 83 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: And when you begin to put those things together good 84 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: points say hey. 85 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: Man, man, this team is really really close. 86 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: I mean you're talking about the Bills and the Texas 87 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 4: and all that. This team is really really close to 88 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: being there. And if you really. 89 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: Squint, you can close your eyes and say, hey man, 90 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: we could. 91 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: Have been right there in Super Bowl sixty if we 92 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: find a way to take care of. 93 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: Business against the Bills and whoever we played there on. 94 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: So that point is there where you're confident enough that 95 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: this team figured out. Now the challenge is there's no 96 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: such thing as momentum. Whatever you did the previous year 97 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: doesn't carry over to the next year. So how do 98 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 4: we build upon what we did last year, even. 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: Though it would be a completely new team. 100 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: And that's the challenge that Lin Coin and James Gladstone 101 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 4: trying to be selling. 102 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: Everybody has to take the good from this season, process it, 103 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: but then try and figure out the way to build 104 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: a better. 105 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 4: Team next year. And there's no guarantee that you're going 106 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 4: to have the same kind of luck. 107 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: That you are and the coordinators will be the as 108 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 3: they were last year. There were close calls there with 109 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: Yadinski and Campanelli both getting interviews around the league for 110 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: head coaching jobs, and that's I guess teams looking at 111 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: successful organizations and wanting a piece of whatever the Jags 112 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: were doing. But it didn't work out this year. You 113 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: could see that happening in the future if the success continues, though, 114 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: but status quo moving ahead. A couple other minor changers 115 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 3: on the coaching staff, but that's a good start when 116 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: you have that core group of leadership and the coaches 117 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: back together on the team. 118 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: Buck Absolutely, continuity is everything, and the longer you're able 119 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 4: to keep your coaching staff together. 120 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: The longer you're able to keep. 121 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 4: The core members of your team together, the better you 122 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 4: have consistently producing the results that we saw. 123 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: Now, the thing is when we do a self. 124 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 4: Assessment and we look at the team, can we honestly 125 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 4: look at the team, value the players correctly and also 126 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 4: look at what we did and how can we make 127 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 4: it better? Because the thing that you now know is 128 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: next season, the Jaguars on the schedule are going to 129 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 4: get everybody attention and so it's not going to be, oh, 130 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 4: here come the homecoming opponents. 131 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: We're gonna knock them off. 132 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: So they had to get used to playing teams that 133 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: will have a little different energy. 134 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: Against them because they become a bit. 135 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 4: Of a measuring sticks as opposed to like the way 136 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 4: they used to exist. 137 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: So that is going to be different. 138 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: And then you know, when you bring in new people 139 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 4: on the team and other people go, can you re 140 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: establish the chemistry and the connectivity because to me, that 141 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: was the biggest part. 142 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: They actually those one thing, but the way this team felt, 143 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: the way they were connected. 144 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: You got to make sure that you continue to establish 145 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: that and that's not always easy to do. 146 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 5: What's the process something you said about thirty seconds ago 147 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: of evaluating your team correctly. That sounds easy, but I'm 148 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 5: guessing there's a lot more to it, and it's a 149 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 5: lot more important to do it right. But it can 150 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 5: be hard to do. 151 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 4: It can be hard to do because there's an emotional 152 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: and a sentimental badge you to seeing players have success. 153 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: But what you have to do is you have to 154 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: separate the emotion from a where we at, where do 155 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 4: we want to go? And does this player help us 156 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: get there given the salary. 157 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: Cap restraints or whatever. 158 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: So are you willing to make the tough decisions that 159 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 4: may be unpopular in the public to do what's best 160 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: for the team. 161 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: And that's where you can't always run it back with 162 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: the same team. As much as fans. 163 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 4: Were like, hey, you want everyone to come back, that's 164 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 4: just not realistic. 165 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: Because you want to get better. 166 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: So you have to be able to evaluate players separate 167 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: and apart from how you feel about them, and more 168 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 4: for the production and the performance on the field and 169 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 4: how you project them to continue to perform as they 170 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: go forward. 171 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 5: It's probably more dangerous to try to always run it back. 172 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 5: The instinct is to say run it back, but if 173 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 5: you're going to be good for the long term. The 174 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 5: key is knowing how to sort of adapt to running 175 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 5: it back, because we're listening. In the NFL, you can't 176 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 5: run it back, so you have to make some changes, 177 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 5: which is probably what we're getting to a segment. 178 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: Say, guess what the franchise tag window is open. The 179 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: tag deadline is March third, and free agency is coming 180 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: up right around the corner at mid March. And obviously 181 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: the two biggest names people are concerned about are Eat 182 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: and the running back, and Devin Lloyd the linebacker. Of course, 183 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: there's a bunch of other guys that are pending free agents. 184 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: And you know. 185 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: Part of this, Bucky, is just the business of football too. 186 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: It's hard to run it back because contracts come up. 187 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: Salary cap is a real thing. Even though you can 188 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: push money around and do a lot of things with it, 189 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: the business of the game forces your hands sometimes and 190 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: some of these changes. 191 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, the business of the game forces your hand. And 192 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: so this is why it's really important to like kind 193 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: of step away from the regular season and. 194 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: Then get back to being able to evaluate it because 195 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: you go. 196 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: And make decisions right after the regular season. Everybody that 197 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: we saw have a great year. We want to bring 198 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 4: them back. But now you've had a chance to take 199 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: a deep breath, You've had a chance to look at 200 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: the way the playoffs played out, and what you're trying 201 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 4: to do is build a team that can be the 202 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: last one standing. So what do we need to do 203 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 4: to make sure that we have that kind of team? 204 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: And as much as I love Travis Atien and Devin 205 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: Lloyd and I would love them to continue to be Jaguars, 206 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 4: you have to now look at what's our solar cap situation, 207 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: where they at in their careers, what are the number 208 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 4: going to be? And then what's out there free agency. 209 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: And the draft? Can we replace them? 210 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 4: No matter how much we feel about them, are they replaceable? 211 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: And so those are the decisions and the conversations that 212 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: are taking place right. 213 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: Now, and then as we get to the combine and. 214 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 4: Free agency kicks off, then we'll see how those decisions 215 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: play out when we start executing the plans. 216 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: That are made. 217 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's interesting that those guys, You know, 218 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: most of the questions I get right now are about 219 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 5: those two and understandably so, they're popular players, high profile players. 220 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 5: They're also players who had stats, which makes them very 221 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 5: easy to fall in love with, sure, and very easy 222 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 5: to sort of comprehend. I'm not sure it's as much 223 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 5: of a matter of, you know, did they make cap 224 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 5: mistakes before they're over dead money all that stuff. I 225 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: think even if they had a relatively clean cap, you 226 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: have to look at it from a roster building standpoint 227 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 5: of are we going to pay a linebacker twenty million 228 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 5: dollars a year or whatever Devon's number, Devon's number would be, 229 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 5: And do we as a franchise pay running backs this 230 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: level of money going forward? How it affects future caps. 231 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 5: So I think it's tough in this day and age 232 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 5: Bucky to pay those two positions what it would take. 233 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 5: And I'm with you, Devin Lloyd a great kid. If 234 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 5: you spend a time around Devin Lloyd, you want to 235 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 5: be around them. Travis et in the same way. I 236 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 5: would love these guys to be long term jags. But 237 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 5: I think even even without whatever happened in the past, 238 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 5: all the dead money stuff people were talking about, I 239 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 5: just don't know if those two positions philosophically are that 240 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 5: level of position that you pay. 241 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what's interesting is making the decision on now, 242 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: who's more valuable to the team, but who fits into 243 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: the puzzle better. I think it's a lot easier to 244 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 4: potentially fit the running back into the puzzle given what 245 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: he does and the number that we're talking about. You 246 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: talk about a franchise tag on the running backs being 247 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: fourteen million, so reasonably you're trying to. 248 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 2: Find a number below that that allows you to retain Travis. 249 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: With the linebacker, the number is significantly higher. 250 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: So I think you kind of make peace with a 251 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 4: we may not be able to retain Devin Lloyd. 252 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: Let's look at the draft class. 253 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 4: Okay, the draft class have some linebacks that we may 254 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 4: be able to fit into the equation. Maybe we move 255 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 4: on from him. The running back situation is tricky because 256 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 4: when you look at the draft. 257 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: There's some players. 258 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 4: Are there some players that you want to get at 259 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 4: the right value? 260 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: How do you feel about the young players too? Than 261 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: Allen one of those guys ready to handle it. 262 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 4: So a lot of it is the conversation that you 263 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: have internally and then, okay. 264 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: Travis, what are you looking for? Like? 265 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 4: What are you looking for not only monetarily but role 266 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 4: in those things? 267 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: And so there's a ying and a yang that comes 268 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 2: to it. 269 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 4: But yeah, those positions are traditionally not the premium positions. 270 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: But you have to weigh what makes our best players better, 271 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: and we'll talking about Trevor. 272 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 4: Just Travis make Trevor a better quarterback if we keep him. 273 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: So it's fluid. 274 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised to see both of them go, 275 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: but I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them saying. 276 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: That primarily would be bettering to him. 277 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: Are you ready for another historic season at the Bank, Well, 278 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: it's time to lock in seats for twenty twenty six 279 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: by placing your deposits now. 280 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: Next season we'll. 281 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 3: Be played at every Bank stadium, but the capacity limited 282 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: due to End Bowl renovations, and the spots are going fast. 283 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: Don't miss out on your chance to see this season's 284 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: biggest matchups. Place your deposit at Jaguars dot com. Slash 285 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: tickets are called NINEO four six three three two thousand. 286 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 3: It's up with Bucky Brooks. We are back after the 287 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: off season hiatas it is pre draft season now, so 288 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: Bucky is in New Orleans, Louisiana. The HPCU Legacy Bowl 289 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: coming up this weekend and it's a city that you 290 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: love going to each and every year. You arrived on 291 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: Fat Tuesday. How was your celebration last night? 292 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 5: I think much like Patrick Swayze and Dirty Dancing, he's 293 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 5: having the time. 294 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 4: Of his life. 295 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: I bet yeah. I was probably more like Patrick Swayze 296 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: in Roadhouse. 297 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 4: It was a lot. 298 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: It was a lot to take in. I landed like 299 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: in the middle of the day, so it was noon. 300 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: It was not a primetime hour for the parades and 301 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 4: debauchery that took place. 302 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: On the streets. A lot of people being festive, a 303 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: lot of drinks, a lot of stuff milling around. 304 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 4: I'll admit I kind of stayed tucked away in the 305 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: hotel room until it all that. I woke up this morning, 306 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 4: the streets were cleared, they were sweeping everything up. 307 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: It's officially over. So now I can participate in the 308 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: New Orleans that I. 309 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 4: Love, which is the foodie like so I'm looking forward 310 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: to sampling that. 311 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: But I'm good with mighty grind on that that's not 312 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: my jam. 313 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 5: All those people were wanting to know if the Jaguars 314 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 5: were going to go defensive tackle. No, that's right in 315 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 5: the second, Yeah, they miss out. They knew Bucky Brooks 316 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 5: was there a lot of JAG's knowledge. 317 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good. I'm good with it all. I'm excited 318 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: that it's all done. Everyone can go back to their 319 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: respective areas and I can kind of have the French 320 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 4: Quarter to myself and kind of make my way around 321 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: the Tech no doubt. 322 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: Now to the actual prospects of the Legacy ball, who's 323 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: stid it out so far? I mean, what kind of 324 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: event has this evolved to be over the last few years. 325 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's a cool event just because like you have 326 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: all the black colleges. 327 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: Represented, you have a cool coaching staff. But in looking 328 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 4: at the prospects, you're talking about the lord wrong. Now, 329 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, the Jaguars were able to 330 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: get like a Deshaun Dixon who came from like north 331 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: of state and lasted on the practice squad roster for 332 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: a few years. 333 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: So there are level of players that are like that. 334 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: There's a running back t J. 335 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: Allen from Virginia Union that has So it'll be interesting 336 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: because now, just like Bowl games and everything, a lot 337 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 4: of guys are on the roster, but a lot of 338 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: guys are sitting out. 339 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: So we'll sort through it and see how it plays out. 340 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: But right now it's more of a festive event, and 341 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: we'll see if there's some. 342 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: Scouting that can be done where we can identify some. 343 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: Players that can help the Jacks and. 344 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: Others, and then next week the NFL Scouting Combine. Bucky 345 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: Brooks is a legend in Indianapolis as well. 346 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: Well. 347 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 5: I do know this the combine for Bucky, it's like Vegas. 348 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 5: You know, if you go to Vegas, if your high role, 349 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 5: you don't pay for your hotel. For Bucky, that's what India. 350 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: Would you like to penthouse suite or the Yeah, it 351 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: is all. 352 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: Kind of like I would. I would like to be 353 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: treated as the king of the combine. 354 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: There's something that comes with it, Like they've been going 355 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 4: for years. 356 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: I think I've been going since two thousand. 357 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: Like at some point it should be a goal watch 358 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 4: and some other things that land on my pillow when. 359 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: Chick into the room. 360 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 4: I mean, like there should be something for status and 361 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: stability to be able to consistently do it. 362 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 5: I will give up my gold watch this year. This 363 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 5: will be the first combine I haven't been to since 364 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 5: two thousand and one. 365 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: Matter of fact, how about that? 366 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 5: So yeah, tell everybody I said. 367 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: Hey, you're giving up, you're giving up the status. 368 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 5: Huh yeah, the uh you know, the staff's really not 369 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 5: going so Jaguars media. 370 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 4: Is really nice. 371 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: That's an interesting I'm going, uh though, I'm going on 372 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: my own how about that? So I'll see you there, Bucky. 373 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, you know, make sure make sure we connect, 374 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: get together. 375 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, be fun, no doubt. 376 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: And this is an interesting philosophy now because it's the 377 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: whole Rams thing and Ladstone we're talking about, you know, 378 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: taking personality and things out of the equation and evaluation 379 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: of your players on your own team. Well, they want 380 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: to take that out of the pre draft evaluation too, 381 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: and having all these you know moments in the off 382 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: season when you sit down with prospects and things start 383 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: with a tape. 384 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: And I guess that's the philosophy here, buck Well. 385 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: I mean it makes it makes a lot of sense, 386 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: Like if you really want to do it, there are 387 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 4: a lot of teams that have done this in the past, 388 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 4: but you don't. 389 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: Want to be overly influenced by what you see in 390 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: the workouts. And sometimes what can happen is you can 391 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: see someone run fast, jump y, dominate. 392 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 4: The underwear Olympics, and it sways the way that you 393 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 4: view them as a player. 394 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: Ultimately, you want to evaluate. 395 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: Players for how they play, how they play in pass, 396 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 4: but they look like playing. 397 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: The game, and there are no games to participate in. 398 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: So look at the tape, dig into the tape. 399 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 4: Evaluate them as players. The workout stuff is just kind 400 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 4: of like the icing on the cake. But ultimately you 401 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 4: want to pick the best players and the guys that fit. 402 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: What you're trying to build in Jacksonville. 403 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 5: This probably feels early, but since we're not really going 404 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 5: to the comment, there's not a whole lot to dig into. 405 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 5: At fifty six, Bucky, I really talked you about the draft, 406 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 5: not who are they taking, but you've seen they draft 407 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 5: fifty fifty six and then and three third round picks. 408 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 5: What conceptually for the fan who's just looking, how can 409 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 5: the Jags get better in the draft? What areas? What 410 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 5: approach do you take with those maybe four picks, the 411 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 5: Day one and Day two picks. How do you navigate that? 412 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 4: So what's interesting is as I'm looking at my trusting 413 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 4: notebook with all my prospects. Okay, so let's just talk 414 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 4: about the two positions that we mentioned when it came 415 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 4: to running back, and linebacker being positions of potential. 416 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: Need well running back like look, as we know the 417 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 2: sweet spot from running back to the second round, and. 418 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: So there can be some running back that certainly can 419 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 4: come off the board in that Like there's uh Jenerium 420 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: Price running back from Notre Dame will be in the mix. 421 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: Emma Johnson from Nebraska could potentially be there. You have 422 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 4: other guys like Jonah Coleman running back from Washington that 423 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 4: could be in place. So those are your day two 424 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 4: guys that could could fall in those categories. Same thing 425 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: when it comes to linebacker, like Cincinnati as a guy 426 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 4: Jake Golday could kind of to build and do some 427 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 4: of the things that Devin does. Anthony Hill from Texas. 428 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 4: There are a lot of people that come of fall 429 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 4: in that thing. And one of the things that we 430 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: talked about when we talked about the decision and why 431 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 4: the guys may be doing it, is because the combine 432 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: happens right before free agency. But in kind of issueing 433 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 4: going to the combat, you can have these conversations about 434 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: what does this draft have, who's available in. 435 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: Free agent, and how does that compare it to potentially 436 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: what we could be losing. The draft is strong in 437 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: some areas. 438 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: Okay, well it's strong in an area where we are 439 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: of need, so maybe we can let someone walk because 440 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: we can find the youngest player there. 441 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: Those things are there. 442 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 4: And then when we talk about the officeive line class, interior. 443 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: Office of linemen are plentiful. There's some tackles. 444 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 4: There are a lot of positions that marry up in 445 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 4: the draft to what the Jaguars potentially to need based 446 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 4: on how the roster is constructive. 447 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: After how do you? 448 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 5: It is an impossible question, but people are asking me, 449 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 5: So I'll ask Bucky, who knows more about football than 450 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 5: I do. Do you is there a chance they try 451 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 5: to package picks and move back up. That's way too 452 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 5: general and it's impossible to know. I get, but I 453 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 5: guess just philosophically, you spent more time in scouting rooms 454 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 5: and talking to gms than I have. 455 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it depends on who are 456 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: the players that you like. 457 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 4: So before you can get to moving up and making 458 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 4: those decisions is trying to figure out who are the 459 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 4: players that are wanting this draft? Okay, and if this 460 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 4: player is going to be available in this range, what 461 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: are we willing to give up? So some of the 462 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: mock drafting that you see internally is designed to be like, oh, 463 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 4: who are the clussest the players that could be? There 464 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: is anybody worth us moving up? What preliminarily would it 465 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: require us to get that? I think it's an ongoing situation. 466 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 4: In a perfect world, you want to get the players 467 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: that you want, and we've seen James is willing to 468 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: give up what he needs to give up to get 469 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 4: the target to player. We saw that last year with 470 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 4: Travis Hunters. It's just a matter of identifying who are 471 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 4: those players they deem to be the right kind of 472 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 4: guys the Jags, and then seeing where they value them 473 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 4: and do they value them enough to give up some 474 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 4: later conversation to make sure they get the guys that 475 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 4: they want, or do they have a lot of similarly 476 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 4: grated players where it doesn't really matter and they'll sit 477 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 4: and pick. So all of that comes down to. 478 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: How they evaluate the class, and then they make the 479 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: decisions based on how they evaluate the class. 480 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 5: I have one more. It might be it might be 481 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 5: a non combine question, but I lived in Indiana for 482 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 5: ten years. My son is sort of a quasi hoo's 483 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 5: your fans, so we sort of followed IU. 484 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but. 485 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 5: Is that quarterback the number one overall pickbuck? I mean, 486 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 5: I know he's gonna be, but does he translate? 487 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: I just don't know. He doesn't. So here's what happens. 488 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 4: He's the best quarterback in a class that is very, 489 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: very weak at quarterback. And the challenge that you have 490 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: is how do you evaluate him if he was stepping 491 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: it apart from this class versus the other guy. He 492 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: doesn't have what we would call transcendent talent. He is 493 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 4: in some way that if we lined him up with Trevor, 494 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 4: Trevor would check the boxers and all the categories. It 495 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 4: was the side by side tailor the tape the one 496 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 4: thing that he possesses. Look, he has great decision making 497 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 4: and processing in those things. But the arm strength isn't elite, 498 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 4: the athleticism isn't elite. 499 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: He's done a really good job playing within the system. 500 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: But if I told you like an elite quarterback last year, 501 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 4: in eleven of. 502 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: The sixteen games they played, he had nineteen or fewer 503 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: pass attempts. 504 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: If I told you he had like one three hundred 505 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 4: yard game last year for the National Champs, that wouldn't 506 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 4: excite you. Because the one thing that we don't know, 507 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: we don't know if he can carry it. And when 508 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 4: you look at him, and I think it's important that 509 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: when guys are looking at quarterbacks, compare him. 510 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: To what would play in the playoffs. 511 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 4: How would Fernando Mendozo and match up with Josh Allen, 512 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: Sevor Lawrence, how would he match up with Matthew Stafford. 513 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: I mean even like Sam Domovan Dooz. Guys, if you 514 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 4: do it alone, where does he rank? And so the 515 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 4: Raiders will likely take him number one overall, but it 516 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 4: doesn't mean that in a generational draft that he would 517 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 4: be picked number one. 518 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: He's the best of what they have and so they're taken. 519 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 4: But you have to be careful in that because whenever 520 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: you take somebody there, that comes a level of expectation 521 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 4: that they're going to do and be something else. And 522 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 4: I just don't see him as that kind of play. 523 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: With you know who. I know he matches up well 524 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 5: against Bucky. 525 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, uh huh, and every other team they 526 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 3: played this year too, no doubt about that. Pre draft 527 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: season is here, Bucky. I'll see you in Indy next 528 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 3: week and we can record something similar to huddle up 529 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 3: in radio row me and you. 530 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: How about that? 531 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: Like the good old ding. 532 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: Okay, make sure you bring your Jaguars sweatshirt. I want 533 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 2: to make sure you're properly drift. 534 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 3: I want to make sure you have yours because you 535 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: got your raiders. 536 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 5: When we know that for a fact he's a Fernando guy. 537 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently, so you know the law them out Fernando Bucky. 538 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: Thanks all but. 539 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks, John Osram, J. P. 540 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: Shadwick, thanks for listening to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.