WEBVTT - Interview Only: Fox News Host Will Cain and Black Star Network's Roland Martin breaks down Trump vs Musk, and how it impacts American citizens. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.000 I have two guests, a conservative and a liberal, to 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.160 break this all down. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.479 We'll start on a rite with the conservative. He hosts 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.080 the Will Kine Show on Fox News. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:18.320 I believe it is every weekday at four pm on 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.160 Fox News. He's used to work with me at ESPN. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.799 He's a friend of mine. I love him to death. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.159 I haven't seen him in a while. He's crazy. We 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.520 don't usually agree, but I got love for him, the 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:29.600 one and only Will Kane. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:30.240 What's man? 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:30.800 How you doing? 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.040 What do you mean you believe it is at four 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.680 pm Eastern time? You dann will better know it's at 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.280 four pm Eastern time? I mean I've learned. I've learned 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.360 from the best. If you don't sing your praises, I 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.760 don't know who will. So let me just say, if 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.760 you don't know what, you need to join the millions 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:47.960 to do. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.600 We're setting ratings records over here at four pm. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.200 We're rivaling in prime time, So tune in and join 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:54.760 Stephen A right. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:57.960 Well, listen, man, I've caught you. Know. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.000 My schedule is busy, but I've caught your show seven 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.400 times because it's you, and i'd love to tell you. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.520 I'm surprised at the great job you're doing, but I'm 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.840 not I love the fact that you got your own show. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.720 I think that you're going to eventually be in prime time. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:10.360 I'm making that. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.360 Prediction personally speaking. I think you should be in prime 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.520 time already. I'm just gonna give you that kind of love. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.560 But I'm proud of you, my man. You're getting better. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:17.319 You're getting better. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.440 I have to give it to you. Well, let me 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:20.440 get right to it. Man. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.959 Yesterday on your show, you broke down the timeline of 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.920 the heated feud between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump, saying, quote, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.920 this is not a story that we wanted today for America. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.679 Is this good or bad for the Republican Party? 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.280 And your estimation will well, there's no doubt about it 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.319 that it's bad. There's no doubt about it. This is 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.600 not just bad for the Republican Party, stephen A. This 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.560 is bad for America. The only people left snickering today 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.959 and enjoying the ride of those that wish for the 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.640 downfall of Donald Trump or think that Elon Musk is 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.640 the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler, And of course both of 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.720 those are absurd propositions. I think we have seen something 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.480 truly remarkable, And I've been watching your commentary. I've been 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.120 watching your I hope evolution not towards the right, but 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.080 towards being in the right over the last several months. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.000 And the truth of the matter is, when the world's 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.400 richest man, in the world's most powerful man can share 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.560 the stage, and they did, steven A in remarkable fashion, 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.080 in very generous and humble fashion. When they can share 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.440 the stage, that in itself is remarkable for America. And 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.960 I can only hope with the end of this roller 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.600 coaster it coasts in for a beautiful ride. I hope 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.239 that they can make amends and get back on the 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.760 same team. 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:35.520 Will educate my audience as to specifically why has it 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.320 come to this with their personal relationship. 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.080 We can speculate, we can read. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.840 Various news reports, but from your understanding, what was the 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.200 tipping point that pushed Elon Musk over the edge to 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.280 get to this point where he's been so a cerbic 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.119 and so abrasive towards the president, Because I definitely would 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.520 accuse him of being that towards the President in this 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:56.440 particular instance. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.160 Yeah, Elon Musk looks like he's crashing out, looks like 0:02:59.240 --> 0:02:59.800 he's lost it. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:00.919 He's unstable. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:06.480 In this particular episode, the last twenty four hours, there's 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.120 the substance and there's the style. Let's start with the substance, 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.119 stephen A. It is the most boring, but it's also 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.360 the most important. Elon doesn't like the big beautiful bill. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.799 Elon has taken it upon himself over the last several 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.880 months to dig in to the government's finances, dig into 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:28.400 every department with of course, doge. Look, Elon is a genius, 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.520 steven A. I mean, he's a Thomas Edison level individual 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.000 that will go down in history as one of the 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.840 most important men to grace this planet. He simply is. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.880 But Elon is also someone quirky, used to getting things 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.520 done solely sometimes or at least through his singular vision, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.600 and that's just not going to be possible in government. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.400 It's certainly not going to be possible in democracy. Democracy 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.920 is messy and full of people of different opinions, and 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.720 some of those are even within what people think is 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.040 a monolith one party Republicans. But it's not a monolith. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.680 It's a mix. So Elon comes in. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:07.560 He sees the. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.480 Dire financial straits of the United States. He knows we 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.040 can't continue to run these kind of deficits over six percent, 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.240 seven percent of GDP year over a year. It's unsustainable, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.599 thirty six trillion dollars in debt, and he wants to 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.919 do something about it, and he wishes he had the 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.599 reins just get it done. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:24.320 But you don't. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.880 You just don't in a democracy, and so he doesn't 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:32.080 like the big, beautiful bill. For his part, I do 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.520 believe that Donald Trump is getting the best possible bill 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.000 that he can get, and that is because it is messy, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.479 as I keep saying democracy. Of course, democrats aren't going 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.760 to participate in anything that reduces the size of government. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.920 But even on the right, even among Republicans, Steven Height, 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.279 you got New York and New Jersey and California democrats, 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.280 it probably will do something you want, which is institute 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.680 salt state and local tax deductions to your federal taxes. 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.240 Guys like you that live in New York and New 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.440 Jersey or in California, you want that. You don't want 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.960 to pay the FED for stuff you're having to pay 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.240 the State of New Jersey. I'm sure I lived up 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.480 there with you. I'm sure I liked it. But now 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.240 that I live back home in Texas. I don't want 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.800 to subsidize. You're bloated in fat and inefficient government in 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.039 New York and New Jersey. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.080 And that's what I'm doing. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.200 I'm subsidizing it when you get to write it off 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.240 of your federal taxes. But Donald Trump has to deal 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.360 with it because there are Republicans from New Jersey and 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.919 New York and California. In the Senate, there's Republicans that 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.400 like parts of the Green New Deal, and it means 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.280 something to a senator from North Dakota. So the point is, 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.000 Steven A. He's got to make a deal. And that's 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:36.240 what Donald Trump does. He makes deals. And Elon Musk 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.760 doesn't like the deal. So that's the substance, okay, But 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.960 real quickly, then there's the style, okay, and that's important 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.760 as well. It's the personalities. And I don't know what's 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.599 going on with Elon. You know, I think he, like 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.080 I said, is is quirky. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:51.839 I don't know Elon. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.920 I think I don't even know that we've shaken hands. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.520 We've been in the same room once or twice. But 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.120 you know, I think he has a grand vision. I 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.080 appreciate his vision. I think that he is a different 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:03.919 kind of dude. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:04.400 Stephen A. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.800 I really do, and I think it speaks volumes to 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.919 Donald Trump that not only have they gotten along, but 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.000 he's welcomed him in and shared the stage and managed 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.359 to be good partners for America. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.039 But in the same breath where we can't sit here 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.159 and act like Donald Trump has done everything right. I 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.599 certainly understand and outside with you from the standpoint that 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.480 you know, with his big, beautiful deal everything in there, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.360 everybody is not going to like you have to acquiesce 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.200 to some of the demands. Like you said, He's about 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.440 making a deal whatever it takes to get a deal 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.520 done and get some of the things that he wants, 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.600 primarily preserving those twenty seven tax cuts and making sure 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.039 they extend to now and they don't get canceled out. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.080 The flip side to that, however, is that he brags about. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.279 Having these individuals, hiring the very very best, the greatest 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.880 innovative minds, people who have the country's interests best, and 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.760 stuff like that. And when we see this kind of 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.360 erratic behavior from an Elon Musk, and we see him 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.039 and the President of the United States go back and forth, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.559 some people will say it's beneath Donald Trump. I happen 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.480 to believe what Donald Trump said hasn't been that bad 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.320 against Elon Musk. To me, has been coming from Elon 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.040 Musk in terms of the extreme statements that he has made, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.280 which I won't repeat. My point is is that it's 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.680 still somebody that Donald Trump not only embraced, but empowered 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.520 Department of Government efficiency cuts. People lost their jobs, et cetera. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.280 And folks, particularly on the left are looking at this 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.760 now and saying, see, it's exactly what we warned y'all about. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.440 Look at this mess that's going on within the Trump administration, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.800 because no matter which way you slice it, because it's 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.360 Elon Musk, that is what he has perceived as, because 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.240 that is what he has. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.920 Been a part of the Trump administration. What do you 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:39.400 say to that. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.559 Way, First, you won't say, but I will. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.960 And I see you're showing some of what Elon Musk 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:47.680 had to say on screen. But let's deal with the 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.200 most solatious in the biggest broadside attack. And that is 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.920 the reason the Epstein files weren't released is because Donald 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.520 Trump is in the Epstein files. Well, first of all, 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.880 it's not breaking news that Donald Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.320 It's nothing new or nothing salacious to say there are 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.800 records that show he might have been at times flying 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.760 with Jeffrey Epstein, but there's no evidence there's anything more 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.640 than that relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And if there were, 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.160 Steven here, I would suggest to you, I would suggest 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.480 to you that the Department of Justice under Joe Biden 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.240 would have the FBI under James Comey would have aired 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.720 that stuff against Donald Trump. They did everything possible to 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.240 take down Donald Trump. And I say this with love. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.240 Even you have been talking about the level of lawfare 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.880 against Trump. So do you think they would have kept 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:33.559 that ace of. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:34.640 Spade in their pocket? 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.240 Not and not played that card had they had it 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.280 against Donald Trump? 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:39.640 It's simply unbelievable. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.920 Pause before you go on, I want to make sure 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.920 that I'm letting my audience know. I think it's agreedous 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.800 to just say something like that without proof. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:47.880 So I'm glad you're. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.600 Touching on it, but I want them to know the 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.959 reason I haven't done it is because I'm not gonna 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.840 be unfair to Donald Trump like that. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:54.959 That's why I didn't want. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:55.400 To do that. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:55.679 That's why. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.120 I just want to let the audience know that, because 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.080 I think it's irresponsible to just throw that out there 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.480 the way Elon must dia, but go ahead, right, Well. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.000 I just think it's and it's okay for us. It's 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.959 okay for us discuss it in terms of its lack 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.680 of credibility. What more, it's not the flex that Elon 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.240 thinks it is that if he knew that information, he 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.000 was going to keep it as well under his cap 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.720 as long as he liked the spending cuts. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:17.959 So now he doesn't like the. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.600 Spending cuts, soho, he's willing to expose one of the greatest, salacious, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.840 most indicting things you could say about somebody. I just 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.200 think it shows it has no credibility that particular broadside. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.440 Now to your point about everyone looks at Donald Trump 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.640 saying he hires the best and the brightest, and look 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.600 at the method it's created. Well, look, you know, it's 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.480 a little bit like criticizing It's I'm trying to think 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.600 of the right sports metaphor, stephen A. It's a little 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.439 bit like criticizing the New England Patriots run the incredible 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.600 dynasty put together between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, and 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.680 then for us all to think the bigger story is 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.240 the relationship between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:58.439 So what I mean by that. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.160 Is not necessarily that Elon Muskin Donald Trump put together 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.240 a historical dynasty, but it is historical to bring these 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.440 types of figures together. So what I mean, Okay, you 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.960 know this, if I might stephen A, you know something 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.880 about big egos, not just your own, but others. You've 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.440 been around a lot of big egos. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.640 Yours too, yours too, damnit. You ain't getting away with that, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.319 you too. Go ahead, go ahead, man, go ahead, man. 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.520 Our relationship, Our relationship is a testament to the power 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.280 that sometimes big egos can coexist, get along and even 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:31.840 be friends. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.760 But don't don't get it twisted. That's rare. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.280 How often are the world's richest man in the world's 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.000 most powerful man partners in a shared vision. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:41.800 It is super rare. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.520 So you start from a historical point, you can't really 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.319 think the story is wow, it didn't last, or it's 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.839 a mess. It's incredible whatever existed in the first place. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.280 Look at Donald Trump literally shared the Oval office. Let 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.000 Elon Musk stand there for hours on end and coming 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.200 dear the cameras. I watched those and I thought, Man, 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.440 Donald Trump is not the guy people think he is. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.760 He is not the attention hound and the credibility seeker 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.199 that everybody thinks he is. He's perfectly willing to share 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.400 the stage. And I think that is historical. It's truly historical. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.400 Now posit that, Okay, it's messy, it's transparent, everything's playing 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.439 out before our eyes, and it's not always gonna go well. Now, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.839 posit that against what we've had, not just for the 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.440 last five years, stephen A, but I would offer you 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:32.280 through most presidential administrations, highly coordinated, highly produced, fake fake kumbaya, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.160 everybody on the same page, everybody parroting the same spin. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.680 And in the end, what do you get? You get 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.640 something like Karine Jean Pierre, three months out of the office, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:42.960 of being the biggest spinster. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:44.920 Oh no, get me started with her. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.080 I know, but oh I can't wait to see her. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.920 I can't wait to see her. Go ahead, I'm sorry, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.760 I'm sorry. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:51.920 Go fly. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.240 She wasn't willing to spin for Joe Biden. And then 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.840 three months later, you know what, I'm not a Democrat anymore. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.800 That right there could suggest to everybody in America. Maybe 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.320 we could use a little more messy transparency instead of 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.479 manufactured and polished fate kumbaya. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.480 That's a damn good point. And don't get me started 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.000 with that. You're not even a Democrat anymore. And now 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.120 you're out of office, and you're out of the White. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.080 House and now we're going to profit And oh, I 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.000 can't wait to see her. God, God bless her for 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:20.720 telling her book. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.959 But I can't wait to see her to ask about 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.600 that stuff because stuff that she said in the White 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.200 House is one thing that was your employer. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:27.240 But then you went on a. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.720 View after you left the White House and you said 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.080 some of the same stuff. You could have gave everybody 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.080 a heads up then and you didn't do it. So anyway, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.240 we'll get back to that another time. You said it's 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.600 hard to see a path forward for these two. Donald 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.199 Trump and Elon must to repair a relationship after Musk 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.360 slammed the president's proposed spending bill. Is I mean, is 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.120 this a few the party created or do you just 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.319 put it solely on Musk? 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:52.559 What are your thoughts about that? 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.160 Well, if the Party helped create or few fuel this feud, 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.880 it's that Elon Musk doesn't like what happens when you 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.680 pour action into the messy democratic process of a bunch 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.000 of congressmen and senators and get the result that he 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.280 doesn't like. But the truth is, I think this is 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.560 more about personalities. Now, normal personalities would say you've crossed 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.000 the rubicon. This is irreparable. You accused me of being 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.719 in league with Jeffrey Epstein, and he also endorsed a 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.560 random user saying impeach Trump and install JD. 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:28.040 Vance. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.080 He also did that, and for most people that would 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:30.800 be a bridge too far. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.400 We're not going to fix this. I don't think that's 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:34.000 Donald Trump. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.560 I'm being real with Stephen, and now I do know 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.280 this man somewhat where I said I don't know Musk 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.680 as well. I do know Donald Trump, but you don't 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.880 have to know him to see this. He's actually forgiving. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.200 He actually moves beyond. He doesn't hold grudges. Oh, he'll 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.160 come hard at you if you go at him, but 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.040 given time and space and the opportunity to heal, he's 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.719 shown over and over that he's willing to do so. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:54.400 I mean JD. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.280 Vance one time referred to him as Hitler and J. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.760 D Vance he's the vice President of the United States. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.800 You have said hard things about Donald Trump. I wouldn't 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.800 be surprised if you told me right now he's called you. Actually, 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.760 i'd be surprised if you said he's never called you. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.000 I bet you've heard from Donald Trump, and you've said 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.920 hard things about Donald Trump. He he looks past it 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.600 when he needs to. He's not as sensitive, or at 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.160 least he doesn't hold grudges like you would think. And 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.800 so I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.840 that we could see a beautiful, big reunion from Musk 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:25.240 and Trump. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.960 I would tell you this, I've never you know, as 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:29.520 far as i'm sor, and I've never said anything that 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.360 I owe Donald Trump an apology for I can tell 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:32.760 you that much because I've never called him out his 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:33.480 name or anything like that. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.240 I just don't like the way he behaves. And I 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:35.920 think you don't have to. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:37.720 You know what the funny thing is, you don't have 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.120 to apologize. You don't have to apologize to be on 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.240 good term for Donald Trump. Look at Bill Maher. You 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.320 don't have to. It's just he's not the media has 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.880 created such a caricature of Donald Trump. If you only 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.240 ever watched CNN or MSNBC or NBC or ABC or CBS. 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.800 You just have a cartoonish, characature vision of who the 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.880 man actually is and you don't know reality. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.680 How worried are you for the Republicans in the twenty 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.520 twenty six midterms in light of Musk, you know, basically 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.280 threatened to formulate a third party, basically threatening to finance 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:08.520 Democrats the way that he did. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.040 Some Republicans, especially Trump. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.840 Twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight, could be in trouble 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.280 for the right based on all this noise we've been 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.280 seeing you concerned about that bit. You're concerned about. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.920 That will I'm not. I'm not. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.800 Look, you can do two things at the same time. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.440 You can give Elon Musk a ton of credit for 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.040 the role he played, the money he spent in electing 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.400 Donald Trump. But I personally think Donald Trump would have 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.440 trounced Kamala Harris without Elon Musk and right now, and 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.800 I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility that 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.320 Elon Musk does go out there, maybe he does give 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.400 money to third parties, maybe he even gives money to Democrats. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.720 But you could give all the money in the world 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.240 you could give. How about that. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.720 I don't want to give you any ammunition, so I'm 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:52.960 not gonna use the Dallas Cowboys. 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.640 But you could give all the money in the world too. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:56.800 I don't know. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.680 Pick your lowest level franchise and it doesn't gonna make it. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.800 It's not gonna make them an overnight champion. And right now, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.840 the problem with the Democratic Party is there's nobody put 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.480 money behind. There's just simply no talent on the bench. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.200 There's not any in triple A, there's not any in 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.320 double A, and there's certainly not any in the majors. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:12.400 You show me. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.040 Where the biggest level talent is, I might be talking 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.160 to him. I might be talking to the biggest talent 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:18.240 on the bench for Democrats. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.720 Did you go with just that? Did you go with 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:21.280 your stuff? 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.360 I will tell you this, though I agree with you 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.480 as as it pertains to a national figure. But when 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.520 you're talking about some of these congressional districts, when you're 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.920 talking about some of these districts that the senators are 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.320 fighting for as well, I think he has an opportunity 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:35.120 to make in roads. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.280 I think, don't I don't. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.000 Know if you can definitively say that the GOP has 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.480 a strong hold on the House and the Senate. In 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.720 that regard, as you sift through this country, he might 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:45.960 be able to make some in roads there. 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.680 Yeah, that's fair. It's a slim margin. It's a slim 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.160 margin in both the House and the Senate. And let's 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.040 not get it mixed up the charm and charisma and 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.720 pull of Donald Trump. Not every politician can even come 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.520 close to scraping the surface. So doesn't matter if they 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.359 have an R by their name. But it's not just 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.120 the people. Politics is two things. And you know, one 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.720 thing I appreciate about and people. I don't want people 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.360 to think I'm gratuitously, you know, buttering you up, because 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.280 I have on my program at times criticized you. And 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.040 whether or not you're aware, I'm sure you're a big 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.560 boy enough to not care. And politics is two things, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.239 and one of them you still have to work on. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.159