Speaker 1: I have two guests, a conservative and a liberal, to
Speaker 1: break this all down.
Speaker 2: We'll start on a rite with the conservative. He hosts
Speaker 2: the Will Kine Show on Fox News.
Speaker 1: I believe it is every weekday at four pm on
Speaker 1: Fox News. He's used to work with me at ESPN.
Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine. I love him to death.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a while. He's crazy. We
Speaker 1: don't usually agree, but I got love for him, the
Speaker 1: one and only Will Kane.
Speaker 3: What's man?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 4: What do you mean you believe it is at four
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Speaker 4: four pm Eastern time? I mean I've learned. I've learned
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Speaker 4: Stephen A right.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, man, I've caught you. Know.
Speaker 1: My schedule is busy, but I've caught your show seven
Speaker 1: times because it's you, and i'd love to tell you.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised at the great job you're doing, but I'm
Speaker 1: not I love the fact that you got your own show.
Speaker 1: I think that you're going to eventually be in prime time.
Speaker 2: I'm making that.
Speaker 1: Prediction personally speaking. I think you should be in prime
Speaker 1: time already. I'm just gonna give you that kind of love.
Speaker 1: But I'm proud of you, my man. You're getting better.
Speaker 1: You're getting better.
Speaker 2: I have to give it to you. Well, let me
Speaker 2: get right to it. Man.
Speaker 1: Yesterday on your show, you broke down the timeline of
Speaker 1: the heated feud between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump, saying, quote,
Speaker 1: this is not a story that we wanted today for America.
Speaker 2: Is this good or bad for the Republican Party?
Speaker 4: And your estimation will well, there's no doubt about it
Speaker 4: that it's bad. There's no doubt about it. This is
Speaker 4: not just bad for the Republican Party, stephen A. This
Speaker 4: is bad for America. The only people left snickering today
Speaker 4: and enjoying the ride of those that wish for the
Speaker 4: downfall of Donald Trump or think that Elon Musk is
Speaker 4: the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler, And of course both of
Speaker 4: those are absurd propositions. I think we have seen something
Speaker 4: truly remarkable, And I've been watching your commentary. I've been
Speaker 4: watching your I hope evolution not towards the right, but
Speaker 4: towards being in the right over the last several months.
Speaker 4: And the truth of the matter is, when the world's
Speaker 4: richest man, in the world's most powerful man can share
Speaker 4: the stage, and they did, steven A in remarkable fashion,
Speaker 4: in very generous and humble fashion. When they can share
Speaker 4: the stage, that in itself is remarkable for America. And
Speaker 4: I can only hope with the end of this roller
Speaker 4: coaster it coasts in for a beautiful ride. I hope
Speaker 4: that they can make amends and get back on the
Speaker 4: same team.
Speaker 1: Will educate my audience as to specifically why has it
Speaker 1: come to this with their personal relationship.
Speaker 2: We can speculate, we can read.
Speaker 1: Various news reports, but from your understanding, what was the
Speaker 1: tipping point that pushed Elon Musk over the edge to
Speaker 1: get to this point where he's been so a cerbic
Speaker 1: and so abrasive towards the president, Because I definitely would
Speaker 1: accuse him of being that towards the President in this
Speaker 1: particular instance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Elon Musk looks like he's crashing out, looks like
Speaker 4: he's lost it.
Speaker 5: He's unstable.
Speaker 4: In this particular episode, the last twenty four hours, there's
Speaker 4: the substance and there's the style. Let's start with the substance,
Speaker 4: stephen A. It is the most boring, but it's also
Speaker 4: the most important. Elon doesn't like the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 4: Elon has taken it upon himself over the last several
Speaker 4: months to dig in to the government's finances, dig into
Speaker 4: every department with of course, doge. Look, Elon is a genius,
Speaker 4: steven A. I mean, he's a Thomas Edison level individual
Speaker 4: that will go down in history as one of the
Speaker 4: most important men to grace this planet. He simply is.
Speaker 4: But Elon is also someone quirky, used to getting things
Speaker 4: done solely sometimes or at least through his singular vision,
Speaker 4: and that's just not going to be possible in government.
Speaker 4: It's certainly not going to be possible in democracy. Democracy
Speaker 4: is messy and full of people of different opinions, and
Speaker 4: some of those are even within what people think is
Speaker 4: a monolith one party Republicans. But it's not a monolith.
Speaker 4: It's a mix. So Elon comes in.
Speaker 5: He sees the.
Speaker 4: Dire financial straits of the United States. He knows we
Speaker 4: can't continue to run these kind of deficits over six percent,
Speaker 4: seven percent of GDP year over a year. It's unsustainable,
Speaker 4: thirty six trillion dollars in debt, and he wants to
Speaker 4: do something about it, and he wishes he had the
Speaker 4: reins just get it done.
Speaker 5: But you don't.
Speaker 4: You just don't in a democracy, and so he doesn't
Speaker 4: like the big, beautiful bill. For his part, I do
Speaker 4: believe that Donald Trump is getting the best possible bill
Speaker 4: that he can get, and that is because it is messy,
Speaker 4: as I keep saying democracy. Of course, democrats aren't going
Speaker 4: to participate in anything that reduces the size of government.
Speaker 4: But even on the right, even among Republicans, Steven Height,
Speaker 4: you got New York and New Jersey and California democrats,
Speaker 4: it probably will do something you want, which is institute
Speaker 4: salt state and local tax deductions to your federal taxes.
Speaker 4: Guys like you that live in New York and New
Speaker 4: Jersey or in California, you want that. You don't want
Speaker 4: to pay the FED for stuff you're having to pay
Speaker 4: the State of New Jersey. I'm sure I lived up
Speaker 4: there with you. I'm sure I liked it. But now
Speaker 4: that I live back home in Texas. I don't want
Speaker 4: to subsidize. You're bloated in fat and inefficient government in
Speaker 4: New York and New Jersey.
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I'm subsidizing it when you get to write it off
Speaker 4: of your federal taxes. But Donald Trump has to deal
Speaker 4: with it because there are Republicans from New Jersey and
Speaker 4: New York and California. In the Senate, there's Republicans that
Speaker 4: like parts of the Green New Deal, and it means
Speaker 4: something to a senator from North Dakota. So the point is,
Speaker 4: Steven A. He's got to make a deal. And that's
Speaker 4: what Donald Trump does. He makes deals. And Elon Musk
Speaker 4: doesn't like the deal. So that's the substance, okay, But
Speaker 4: real quickly, then there's the style, okay, and that's important
Speaker 4: as well. It's the personalities. And I don't know what's
Speaker 4: going on with Elon. You know, I think he, like
Speaker 4: I said, is is quirky.
Speaker 5: I don't know Elon.
Speaker 4: I think I don't even know that we've shaken hands.
Speaker 4: We've been in the same room once or twice. But
Speaker 4: you know, I think he has a grand vision. I
Speaker 4: appreciate his vision. I think that he is a different
Speaker 4: kind of dude.
Speaker 5: Stephen A.
Speaker 4: I really do, and I think it speaks volumes to
Speaker 4: Donald Trump that not only have they gotten along, but
Speaker 4: he's welcomed him in and shared the stage and managed
Speaker 4: to be good partners for America.
Speaker 1: But in the same breath where we can't sit here
Speaker 1: and act like Donald Trump has done everything right. I
Speaker 1: certainly understand and outside with you from the standpoint that
Speaker 1: you know, with his big, beautiful deal everything in there,
Speaker 1: everybody is not going to like you have to acquiesce
Speaker 1: to some of the demands. Like you said, He's about
Speaker 1: making a deal whatever it takes to get a deal
Speaker 1: done and get some of the things that he wants,
Speaker 1: primarily preserving those twenty seven tax cuts and making sure
Speaker 1: they extend to now and they don't get canceled out.
Speaker 2: The flip side to that, however, is that he brags about.
Speaker 1: Having these individuals, hiring the very very best, the greatest
Speaker 1: innovative minds, people who have the country's interests best, and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And when we see this kind of
Speaker 1: erratic behavior from an Elon Musk, and we see him
Speaker 1: and the President of the United States go back and forth,
Speaker 1: some people will say it's beneath Donald Trump. I happen
Speaker 1: to believe what Donald Trump said hasn't been that bad
Speaker 1: against Elon Musk. To me, has been coming from Elon
Speaker 1: Musk in terms of the extreme statements that he has made,
Speaker 1: which I won't repeat. My point is is that it's
Speaker 1: still somebody that Donald Trump not only embraced, but empowered
Speaker 1: Department of Government efficiency cuts. People lost their jobs, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And folks, particularly on the left are looking at this
Speaker 1: now and saying, see, it's exactly what we warned y'all about.
Speaker 1: Look at this mess that's going on within the Trump administration,
Speaker 1: because no matter which way you slice it, because it's
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, that is what he has perceived as, because
Speaker 1: that is what he has.
Speaker 2: Been a part of the Trump administration. What do you
Speaker 2: say to that.
Speaker 5: Way, First, you won't say, but I will.
Speaker 4: And I see you're showing some of what Elon Musk
Speaker 4: had to say on screen. But let's deal with the
Speaker 4: most solatious in the biggest broadside attack. And that is
Speaker 4: the reason the Epstein files weren't released is because Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is in the Epstein files. Well, first of all,
Speaker 4: it's not breaking news that Donald Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4: It's nothing new or nothing salacious to say there are
Speaker 4: records that show he might have been at times flying
Speaker 4: with Jeffrey Epstein, but there's no evidence there's anything more
Speaker 4: than that relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And if there were,
Speaker 4: Steven here, I would suggest to you, I would suggest
Speaker 4: to you that the Department of Justice under Joe Biden
Speaker 4: would have the FBI under James Comey would have aired
Speaker 4: that stuff against Donald Trump. They did everything possible to
Speaker 4: take down Donald Trump. And I say this with love.
Speaker 4: Even you have been talking about the level of lawfare
Speaker 4: against Trump. So do you think they would have kept
Speaker 4: that ace of.
Speaker 5: Spade in their pocket?
Speaker 4: Not and not played that card had they had it
Speaker 4: against Donald Trump?
Speaker 5: It's simply unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Pause before you go on, I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that I'm letting my audience know. I think it's agreedous
Speaker 1: to just say something like that without proof.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you're.
Speaker 1: Touching on it, but I want them to know the
Speaker 1: reason I haven't done it is because I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be unfair to Donald Trump like that.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't want.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 1: I just want to let the audience know that, because
Speaker 1: I think it's irresponsible to just throw that out there
Speaker 1: the way Elon must dia, but go ahead, right, Well.
Speaker 4: I just think it's and it's okay for us. It's
Speaker 4: okay for us discuss it in terms of its lack
Speaker 4: of credibility. What more, it's not the flex that Elon
Speaker 4: thinks it is that if he knew that information, he
Speaker 4: was going to keep it as well under his cap
Speaker 4: as long as he liked the spending cuts.
Speaker 5: So now he doesn't like the.
Speaker 4: Spending cuts, soho, he's willing to expose one of the greatest, salacious,
Speaker 4: most indicting things you could say about somebody. I just
Speaker 4: think it shows it has no credibility that particular broadside.
Speaker 4: Now to your point about everyone looks at Donald Trump
Speaker 4: saying he hires the best and the brightest, and look
Speaker 4: at the method it's created. Well, look, you know, it's
Speaker 4: a little bit like criticizing It's I'm trying to think
Speaker 4: of the right sports metaphor, stephen A. It's a little
Speaker 4: bit like criticizing the New England Patriots run the incredible
Speaker 4: dynasty put together between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, and
Speaker 4: then for us all to think the bigger story is
Speaker 4: the relationship between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: So what I mean by that.
Speaker 4: Is not necessarily that Elon Muskin Donald Trump put together
Speaker 4: a historical dynasty, but it is historical to bring these
Speaker 4: types of figures together. So what I mean, Okay, you
Speaker 4: know this, if I might stephen A, you know something
Speaker 4: about big egos, not just your own, but others. You've
Speaker 4: been around a lot of big egos.
Speaker 2: Yours too, yours too, damnit. You ain't getting away with that,
Speaker 2: you too. Go ahead, go ahead, man, go ahead, man.
Speaker 4: Our relationship, Our relationship is a testament to the power
Speaker 4: that sometimes big egos can coexist, get along and even
Speaker 4: be friends.
Speaker 5: But don't don't get it twisted. That's rare.
Speaker 4: How often are the world's richest man in the world's
Speaker 4: most powerful man partners in a shared vision.
Speaker 5: It is super rare.
Speaker 4: So you start from a historical point, you can't really
Speaker 4: think the story is wow, it didn't last, or it's
Speaker 4: a mess. It's incredible whatever existed in the first place.
Speaker 4: Look at Donald Trump literally shared the Oval office. Let
Speaker 4: Elon Musk stand there for hours on end and coming
Speaker 4: dear the cameras. I watched those and I thought, Man,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is not the guy people think he is.
Speaker 4: He is not the attention hound and the credibility seeker
Speaker 4: that everybody thinks he is. He's perfectly willing to share
Speaker 4: the stage. And I think that is historical. It's truly historical.
Speaker 4: Now posit that, Okay, it's messy, it's transparent, everything's playing
Speaker 4: out before our eyes, and it's not always gonna go well. Now,
Speaker 4: posit that against what we've had, not just for the
Speaker 4: last five years, stephen A, but I would offer you
Speaker 4: through most presidential administrations, highly coordinated, highly produced, fake fake kumbaya,
Speaker 4: everybody on the same page, everybody parroting the same spin.
Speaker 4: And in the end, what do you get? You get
Speaker 4: something like Karine Jean Pierre, three months out of the office,
Speaker 4: of being the biggest spinster.
Speaker 2: Oh no, get me started with her.
Speaker 5: I know, but oh I can't wait to see her.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see her. Go ahead, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Go fly.
Speaker 4: She wasn't willing to spin for Joe Biden. And then
Speaker 4: three months later, you know what, I'm not a Democrat anymore.
Speaker 4: That right there could suggest to everybody in America. Maybe
Speaker 4: we could use a little more messy transparency instead of
Speaker 4: manufactured and polished fate kumbaya.
Speaker 1: That's a damn good point. And don't get me started
Speaker 1: with that. You're not even a Democrat anymore. And now
Speaker 1: you're out of office, and you're out of the White.
Speaker 2: House and now we're going to profit And oh, I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see her. God, God bless her for
Speaker 2: telling her book.
Speaker 1: But I can't wait to see her to ask about
Speaker 1: that stuff because stuff that she said in the White
Speaker 1: House is one thing that was your employer.
Speaker 2: But then you went on a.
Speaker 1: View after you left the White House and you said
Speaker 1: some of the same stuff. You could have gave everybody
Speaker 1: a heads up then and you didn't do it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll get back to that another time. You said it's
Speaker 1: hard to see a path forward for these two. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Elon must to repair a relationship after Musk
Speaker 1: slammed the president's proposed spending bill. Is I mean, is
Speaker 1: this a few the party created or do you just
Speaker 1: put it solely on Musk?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 4: Well, if the Party helped create or few fuel this feud,
Speaker 4: it's that Elon Musk doesn't like what happens when you
Speaker 4: pour action into the messy democratic process of a bunch
Speaker 4: of congressmen and senators and get the result that he
Speaker 4: doesn't like. But the truth is, I think this is
Speaker 4: more about personalities. Now, normal personalities would say you've crossed
Speaker 4: the rubicon. This is irreparable. You accused me of being
Speaker 4: in league with Jeffrey Epstein, and he also endorsed a
Speaker 4: random user saying impeach Trump and install JD.
Speaker 3: Vance.
Speaker 4: He also did that, and for most people that would
Speaker 4: be a bridge too far.
Speaker 5: We're not going to fix this. I don't think that's
Speaker 5: Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: I'm being real with Stephen, and now I do know
Speaker 4: this man somewhat where I said I don't know Musk
Speaker 4: as well. I do know Donald Trump, but you don't
Speaker 4: have to know him to see this. He's actually forgiving.
Speaker 4: He actually moves beyond. He doesn't hold grudges. Oh, he'll
Speaker 4: come hard at you if you go at him, but
Speaker 4: given time and space and the opportunity to heal, he's
Speaker 4: shown over and over that he's willing to do so.
Speaker 5: I mean JD.
Speaker 4: Vance one time referred to him as Hitler and J.
Speaker 4: D Vance he's the vice President of the United States.
Speaker 4: You have said hard things about Donald Trump. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be surprised if you told me right now he's called you. Actually,
Speaker 4: i'd be surprised if you said he's never called you.
Speaker 4: I bet you've heard from Donald Trump, and you've said
Speaker 4: hard things about Donald Trump. He he looks past it
Speaker 4: when he needs to. He's not as sensitive, or at
Speaker 4: least he doesn't hold grudges like you would think. And
Speaker 4: so I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility
Speaker 4: that we could see a beautiful, big reunion from Musk
Speaker 4: and Trump.
Speaker 1: I would tell you this, I've never you know, as
Speaker 1: far as i'm sor, and I've never said anything that
Speaker 1: I owe Donald Trump an apology for I can tell
Speaker 1: you that much because I've never called him out his
Speaker 1: name or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I just don't like the way he behaves. And I
Speaker 2: think you don't have to.
Speaker 4: You know what the funny thing is, you don't have
Speaker 4: to apologize. You don't have to apologize to be on
Speaker 4: good term for Donald Trump. Look at Bill Maher. You
Speaker 4: don't have to. It's just he's not the media has
Speaker 4: created such a caricature of Donald Trump. If you only
Speaker 4: ever watched CNN or MSNBC or NBC or ABC or CBS.
Speaker 4: You just have a cartoonish, characature vision of who the
Speaker 4: man actually is and you don't know reality.
Speaker 1: How worried are you for the Republicans in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six midterms in light of Musk, you know, basically
Speaker 1: threatened to formulate a third party, basically threatening to finance
Speaker 1: Democrats the way that he did.
Speaker 2: Some Republicans, especially Trump.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight, could be in trouble
Speaker 1: for the right based on all this noise we've been
Speaker 1: seeing you concerned about that bit. You're concerned about.
Speaker 5: That will I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 4: Look, you can do two things at the same time.
Speaker 4: You can give Elon Musk a ton of credit for
Speaker 4: the role he played, the money he spent in electing
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. But I personally think Donald Trump would have
Speaker 4: trounced Kamala Harris without Elon Musk and right now, and
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility that
Speaker 4: Elon Musk does go out there, maybe he does give
Speaker 4: money to third parties, maybe he even gives money to Democrats.
Speaker 5: But you could give all the money in the world
Speaker 5: you could give. How about that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to give you any ammunition, so I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna use the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: But you could give all the money in the world too.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Pick your lowest level franchise and it doesn't gonna make it.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna make them an overnight champion. And right now,
Speaker 4: the problem with the Democratic Party is there's nobody put
Speaker 4: money behind. There's just simply no talent on the bench.
Speaker 4: There's not any in triple A, there's not any in
Speaker 4: double A, and there's certainly not any in the majors.
Speaker 5: You show me.
Speaker 4: Where the biggest level talent is, I might be talking
Speaker 4: to him. I might be talking to the biggest talent
Speaker 4: on the bench for Democrats.
Speaker 2: Did you go with just that? Did you go with
Speaker 2: your stuff?
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, though I agree with you
Speaker 1: as as it pertains to a national figure. But when
Speaker 1: you're talking about some of these congressional districts, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about some of these districts that the senators are
Speaker 1: fighting for as well, I think he has an opportunity
Speaker 1: to make in roads.
Speaker 2: I think, don't I don't.
Speaker 1: Know if you can definitively say that the GOP has
Speaker 1: a strong hold on the House and the Senate. In
Speaker 1: that regard, as you sift through this country, he might
Speaker 1: be able to make some in roads there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. It's a slim margin. It's a slim
Speaker 4: margin in both the House and the Senate. And let's
Speaker 4: not get it mixed up the charm and charisma and
Speaker 4: pull of Donald Trump. Not every politician can even come
Speaker 4: close to scraping the surface. So doesn't matter if they
Speaker 4: have an R by their name. But it's not just
Speaker 4: the people. Politics is two things. And you know, one
Speaker 4: thing I appreciate about and people. I don't want people
Speaker 4: to think I'm gratuitously, you know, buttering you up, because
Speaker 4: I have on my program at times criticized you. And
Speaker 4: whether or not you're aware, I'm sure you're a big
Speaker 4: boy enough to not care. And politics is two things,
Speaker 4: and one of them you still have to work on.
Speaker 4: If any of this stuff about you is real, then
Speaker 4: there's still and you admit this holes in your game.
Speaker 5: It's a combination of two things.
Speaker 4: It's personality, charm, persuasion and the ability to connect with people.
Speaker 4: And you have that, You've got that okay, and Donald
Speaker 4: Trump has that, but you also have to have policy.
Speaker 4: You have to have things people care about, and right
Speaker 4: now the Democratic Party has no policy, stephen A. That
Speaker 4: even an Elon Musk funded run presents to me a
Speaker 4: real threat. Now that doesn't mean he couldn't pick off
Speaker 4: a House seat or two, or maybe a Senate seat
Speaker 4: or two, and it is a slim margin. But the
Speaker 4: big issue for the Democrat Party right now isn't money,
Speaker 4: and it is in part personality, but the biggest problem
Speaker 4: is the policies and ideas. They're simply not just bad,
Speaker 4: stephen A, They're really really unpopular.
Speaker 2: Let me say this to you on a personal note.
Speaker 1: There's been a plenty of times where people have come
Speaker 1: up to me and they said, did you see Will Kane.
Speaker 2: He's criticized your I said no, and I don't give
Speaker 2: a damn it.
Speaker 1: Here's the reason why, because I'm quite sure is Will
Speaker 1: Kane disagreeing with something that I said. He's not attacking
Speaker 1: me on my character. That's the relationship we have. I
Speaker 1: don't care if he disagrees with me, and that's all.
Speaker 1: I've always been that way.
Speaker 4: Now and you're the same way. This is one of
Speaker 4: the reasons we've gotten along. I would not say something
Speaker 4: into a microphone or behind your back that I would
Speaker 4: never say to your face. And that is like, our
Speaker 4: relationship is not predicated on liking everything each other have
Speaker 4: to say. The relationship is predicated on the integrity of
Speaker 4: telling one another where and where we do not agree
Speaker 4: or disagree.
Speaker 1: That's right and where we stand. And that's why we
Speaker 1: got love for one another. Let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1: What you've heard that Steve Bannon, you know, obviously a
Speaker 1: Trump loyalist, somebody that used to work in the White
Speaker 1: House no longer does so. But he basically called for
Speaker 1: Elon Musk to be deported. He said, quote, they should
Speaker 1: initiate a formal investigation of his immigration status because I
Speaker 1: am of the strong belief that he is an illegal
Speaker 1: alien and he should be deported from the country immediately.
Speaker 1: Now see, well, this is one of the problems, right
Speaker 1: This is one of the problems right here, because I
Speaker 1: had somebody look it up and I was informed Elon
Speaker 1: Musk is a naturalized US citizen. He became a citizen
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two after moving from South Africa
Speaker 1: to Canada in nineteen eighty nine. And then to the
Speaker 1: United States in the early nineteen nineties. His journey included
Speaker 1: various visas, culminating in US citizenship through the legal naturalization process.
Speaker 1: As a US citizen, Musk is protected under the Constitution
Speaker 1: and cannot be deported without due process. Deportation of a
Speaker 1: naturalized citizen is extremely rare. If I know that, damn it,
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon knows that. What do you think when you
Speaker 1: hear somebody like Steve Bannon say those words.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, that's a question, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if you too have talked I think.
Speaker 2: That you have, and that's yes, I interviewed them.
Speaker 5: I thought that was right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's a question for Steve Bannon. So I'm
Speaker 4: glad you looked that up because I was wondering that
Speaker 4: last night. I saw what Steve had to say. And
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say a couple of things. Uh, Steve is
Speaker 4: incredibly smart, and Steve is worth listening to. And there
Speaker 4: are things that Steve and I is definitely on the
Speaker 4: same page about. And I have no problem saying, like,
Speaker 4: I believe in the United States of America and the
Speaker 4: culture and the form of government and the protection of
Speaker 4: the United States of America, and Steve, I believe, is
Speaker 4: very skeptical of anyone who he thinks might question those
Speaker 4: foundational elements of the United States of America. I wondered
Speaker 4: last night the same thing that you just educated me on.
Speaker 4: I wondered, what is ELNs uh? What is Elon's citizenship status?
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you clarified for me and the audience.
Speaker 4: He's a citizen of the United States, and you can't
Speaker 4: deport a citizen of the United States, to my knowledge,
Speaker 4: and I would love to hear Steve's argument for why
Speaker 4: Steve's always been skeptical of Elon. And I don't think
Speaker 4: Steve's skepticism of Elon, by the way, is unfair. I
Speaker 4: think he's skeptical towards all of tech, towards everyone that
Speaker 4: thinks that a country is like a company ready to
Speaker 4: be optimized. That's not what a country is. We're not
Speaker 4: a business. We're not here simply to get rich and wealthy.
Speaker 4: We're here to be what we have been throughout our history,
Speaker 4: and that is the world's leader in way of life.
Speaker 4: And this is where we can always diverge into conversations
Speaker 4: about where we've fallen short and our mistakes that we've
Speaker 4: made throughout our history, all of which are true and
Speaker 4: need to be acknowledged. But still we're special. We're special
Speaker 4: on the face of humanity, and I'm with Stephen protecting
Speaker 4: that above all.
Speaker 2: I hear you on that.
Speaker 1: What is special about the big, beautiful bill in your
Speaker 1: estimation that the country should look forward too, that the
Speaker 1: country should like? Since Elon Musk has spoken against it,
Speaker 1: what about those who have spoken for it?
Speaker 2: What are they saying this big and beautiful about it?
Speaker 4: Okay, that's a tough question. I'm not sure there is
Speaker 4: a lot that is special. Do you ever get to
Speaker 4: special by compromise? Do you ever get to special by
Speaker 4: the messy issue of making a deal. But I do
Speaker 4: think there are very smart people who are singing its praises.
Speaker 5: I'll give you two.
Speaker 4: I think Stephen Miller is brilliant. I think Scott Bessant,
Speaker 4: Treasury secretary, is brilliant. And they lay out three things
Speaker 4: tax cuts, wasting fraud cuts, not to the level that
Speaker 4: Elon wants, but wasting fraud cuts and potifying the protection
Speaker 4: of the border. Those are three things they like. Now
Speaker 4: on the most important thing is if you're gonna have deficits,
Speaker 4: but you want to try to reduce those. The argument
Speaker 4: is the way you do that is growing your economy
Speaker 4: and the tax cuts grow the economy. Bessant believes we
Speaker 4: can run deficits at three percent by growing the economy
Speaker 4: three percent, and by cutting taxes, we supercharge the economy
Speaker 4: into growth of three percent. That's the way you reduce deficits,
Speaker 4: even if it's not the cuts that someone like Elon
Speaker 4: Musk wants through Doge.
Speaker 5: There's one more thing, steven A.
Speaker 4: And if you're really in the business of educating your audience,
Speaker 4: it's a little bit boring, but you have to understand
Speaker 4: a reconciliation bill is not a budget bill. It's not
Speaker 4: an appropriations bill. There's only so much you can do
Speaker 4: through reconciliation. There are other places to make cuts. Two
Speaker 4: of them are recision. That's what the President says to
Speaker 4: the Senate, I want you to make these cuts. They
Speaker 4: go back and they formalize them. There's one right now
Speaker 4: for nine billion, which is not enough, and that's tiny
Speaker 4: in the grandscupe of things, and the other's appropriations and
Speaker 4: all those great people you mentioned that Trump hires heg Seth.
Speaker 4: That's where I've taken issue with you. By the way,
Speaker 4: steven A, my friends, Pete hagg Seth, a Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 4: Sean Duffy oft Transportation, on and on, every secretary of
Speaker 4: every cabinet looks for cuts, asks congressome, this is the
Speaker 4: budget that I need. Institute these cuts and that's what
Speaker 4: we'll get through areas. It's not the end of the story,
Speaker 4: just because it's not in the one big beautiful bill understood.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm gonna save your platform to
Speaker 1: bring up Pete Hagig Sith when you call me on
Speaker 1: your show, you you do that. I got no problems
Speaker 1: with the man. I haven't land based at the man
Speaker 1: at all. I've just talked about what his ascension represented.
Speaker 1: There was a bigger deal. If I saw Pete Haigseth,
Speaker 1: I'd walk up to him and say them, I have
Speaker 1: nothing to get you. You served our country with on
Speaker 1: that distinction. I got no problems with you, my man.
Speaker 1: I was just talking about what it represented. I mean, damn,
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. But we'll talk about that another day.
Speaker 1: My last question to you, because I know you gotta
Speaker 1: go and I gotta go as well. If this elon
Speaker 1: Musk and Trump fiasco brew haha, doesn't simmer down if
Speaker 1: it gets ugly. Are you've already said this is not good?
Speaker 1: How bad could it possibly get for Trump and the
Speaker 1: administration and our government? If Elon goes nuke per se
Speaker 1: and somehow gets even worse than he has already gotten,
Speaker 1: especially considering the fact that Trump acknowledged all the access
Speaker 1: that he had throughout the White House, access to files
Speaker 1: and things of this nature, What the hell of that?
Speaker 2: What if that happens? Will Kane? What if Elon Musk
Speaker 2: gets uglier?
Speaker 4: I think there's limited damage for Trump. There's a floor
Speaker 4: on the amount of damage that Musk can do to Trump,
Speaker 4: and there is much more potential loss for Musk. First
Speaker 4: of all, Musk does have government contracts. I don't think
Speaker 4: he cares as much about ev tax credits. He's incredibly
Speaker 4: passionate about space and NASA and SpaceX, and he stands
Speaker 4: to lose on one of his biggest passions should he
Speaker 4: make a complete enemy of the President of the United States.
Speaker 4: I also think Musk will run into a credibility issue
Speaker 4: if he keeps doing things like the accusations around Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Epstein or impeachment and Donald Trump. Look, the American people
Speaker 4: voted for Donald Trump. They didn't vote for Elon Musk.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean there's a lot of people that might
Speaker 4: have been persuaded to his side because of the influence
Speaker 4: of Musk. But in the end, he is the man
Speaker 4: that's elected to the president of the United States, and
Speaker 4: I think there's a floor on the amount of damage. Look,
Speaker 4: how about this, Stephen a name. This is you and
Speaker 4: me and other sports metaphor standing at the plate. We're
Speaker 4: batting against I don't know. We're batting against Garrett Cole,
Speaker 4: and he's thrown every pitch he's got what's left In
Speaker 4: the end, we're hitting everything. Donald Trump has seen every pitch,
Speaker 4: every single pitch. Are you telling me Musk has one
Speaker 4: that hasn't already been thrown. I think there's a floor
Speaker 4: on how much damage.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we don't know that Will Will the man
Speaker 1: is worth over four hundred and fifty billion dollars and
Speaker 1: he got close to Trump and close to the White
Speaker 1: House administration.
Speaker 2: I'm saying I don't know. I mean, I get the point.
Speaker 1: It's a legitimate question that you've asked, albeit rhetorically. I'm
Speaker 1: saying the possibilities of a potent answer might be out there.
Speaker 2: It might be something we haven't seen. We don't know
Speaker 2: what this guy, we don't know.
Speaker 4: For the record, just for the record, as we're putting
Speaker 4: this down, just prepare yourself because more likely as an
Speaker 4: outcome is you have one big, beautiful makeup session and
Speaker 4: these two guys get back together.
Speaker 1: I got you, the one and only Will Kane, The
Speaker 1: Will Kane Show, four pm Eastern Standard Time, Fox News,
Speaker 1: got ratings already rivaling Prime Time doing this thing, And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come on your show soon because i owe
Speaker 1: you so. I've been on the road the last two
Speaker 1: damn months.
Speaker 2: I owe you. I owe you an appearance on your show. Man,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking time out of your business.
Speaker 5: Sched it all right, thanks Steven, Ah.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, you take it easy. Interesting respector right
Speaker 1: there from Will Kane. Obviously he thinks it's a relationship
Speaker 1: that could be amended, things could get better.
Speaker 2: Who knows. Donald Trump has forgiven people before, so the
Speaker 2: likelihood is that he'd.
Speaker 1: Be willing to forgive a man worth about four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty billion dollars that donated over two hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars to his campaign and that of other GOP members.
Speaker 1: This is what Donald Trump is capable of doing. After all,
Speaker 1: or president vice president in the United States of America
Speaker 1: once said some very incendiary things about him, and he's
Speaker 1: the vice president of the United States of America. Said
Speaker 1: some really ridiculous things about Donald Trump in the past,
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump gave him.
Speaker 2: So that's what That's what their position is. Now. Let's
Speaker 2: hear from the other side.
Speaker 1: My next guest has been called the voice of Black America.
Speaker 1: He hosts the daily political show Rolling Martin Unfiltered.
Speaker 2: He's been here many times. He's a friend.
Speaker 1: God love for him, even when he gets after me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the one and only.
Speaker 2: Rolling Martin in the house. What's up, big Time? How
Speaker 2: are you man? How's everything going?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 6: I wore the coldest in the BDHUS fraternity shirt today
Speaker 6: just for you.
Speaker 1: There you go, there, you go with yourself. I'll leave
Speaker 1: it alone. I'll leave it alone because we got Musk
Speaker 1: and President.
Speaker 3: That's the Flyway signal seesus.
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you. Listen with Trump and Musk.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts when you saw this spat unfolding
Speaker 1: everywhere yesterday.
Speaker 3: Well, we always we knew it was gonna happen.
Speaker 6: When you take to narcissistic, egotistical, deranged individuals, they are
Speaker 6: going to clash.
Speaker 3: It was inevitable.
Speaker 6: Donald Trump can't stand anybody that gets more attention than
Speaker 6: he does. And here's a guy who gets more attension,
Speaker 6: owns his own social media platform. We know true social
Speaker 6: is a joke. Uh.
Speaker 3: And he's got way more money than Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: They were going to class and so I was sitting
Speaker 6: here watching chickens coming home to roost, and I was really,
Speaker 6: this is really, this is how I was operated all day.
Speaker 6: I was sitting here going, Okay, what's next, what's next?
Speaker 2: That's what you were doing?
Speaker 3: That's what Oh yeah, cause it was. It was.
Speaker 6: It was beyond lafel to watch these two idiots going
Speaker 6: back and forth. And it shows you that Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: I do not call him president. He is he twice impeached,
Speaker 6: criminally convicted, fella conbin and she uh. And it goes
Speaker 6: to show you that he does not have the demeanor
Speaker 6: nor the.
Speaker 3: Authority to sit in that Oval office chair.
Speaker 6: They can yell all they want to about Joe Biden
Speaker 6: and his mental acuity and his cognitive decline. But guess what,
Speaker 6: you didn't see a grown man who occupies the Oval
Speaker 6: office acting like a spoiled little brat, going back and
Speaker 6: forth with a with a donor.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that donor for a second. That
Speaker 1: donor also happened to be the head of DOGE Department
Speaker 1: of Government Efficiency, who facilitated billions of the But you
Speaker 1: talk about you know they what did they say?
Speaker 2: One point seventy five billion.
Speaker 6: They claim that's the same they saved that. But then
Speaker 6: when you actually said, when you actually get what actually
Speaker 6: came down, most even Republicans say it was barely one
Speaker 6: hundred billion in so called savings.
Speaker 1: Now I only bring that up to ask this question, Roland.
Speaker 1: He wasn't just somebody mouthing off. He's a guy that's
Speaker 1: worth over one or four hundred and fifty billion dollars.
Speaker 1: He's an individual that was empowered by Donald Trump himself
Speaker 1: and the Trump administration. Obviously, some of the decisions that
Speaker 1: he made led to federal employees being cut. Let's make
Speaker 1: sure we recognize that. So he's been harmful to some degree.
Speaker 1: So with all of that being said, how bad do
Speaker 1: you think this situation could deteriorate into because it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like it's just back and forth Banta or whatever.
Speaker 1: It seems like some real damage could be done. I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: what damage do you think could be done to Trump?
Speaker 1: What damage do you think will be done to the
Speaker 1: country in light of what's going on right now, if
Speaker 1: anything at all.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 6: First of all, it's not gonna be damage to the country,
Speaker 6: because let's just be perfectly clear. If you're Eli Musk
Speaker 6: from a business standpoint, your business does it exist without
Speaker 6: federal dollars? And I broke this thing down on my show,
Speaker 6: like I love these people. I love these black people
Speaker 6: to talk about, Man, we got due for sale, due
Speaker 6: for sale, pull ourselves up by bootstraps. And I said,
Speaker 6: you've been seeing them thirty two billionaires through thirty two
Speaker 6: corporate CEOs who went to Saudia Ranger with Trump.
Speaker 3: So elon Musk, SpaceX Tesla.
Speaker 6: When you talk about the loans that he got the contract,
Speaker 6: so he needs In fact, his company Testa loses money
Speaker 6: last year without the government.
Speaker 3: If the government doesn't buy the.
Speaker 6: Vehicles of his vehicles, he loses money last year, So
Speaker 6: he needs the government. Okay, his tax breaks that he
Speaker 6: gets from states and from cities as well.
Speaker 3: Now, who's done on Trump? What do you lose?
Speaker 6: He can't afford to have a high profile person who
Speaker 6: can we know who has manipulated the Twitter algorithm to
Speaker 6: turn that against him, and so he was greatly aided
Speaker 6: by that. And so when you have these two people
Speaker 6: clashing and then it's dominating the news cycle, all these
Speaker 6: things happen. So don't be shocked to see Republicans and
Speaker 6: other domers trying to broker a peace deal a daytime
Speaker 6: because you got Speaker of Mike Donson trying to get
Speaker 6: this big beautiful deal, which one of my paelents call
Speaker 6: a BBL a big beautiful lie going through the Senate
Speaker 6: and then back to the House. And so it's in Paeril,
Speaker 6: and so that's what's happening right now. So this becomes
Speaker 6: the centerpiece. Oh, it's gonna be great chaos and I'm
Speaker 6: just gonna sit here and enjoy my popcorn.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I think you're gonna do more than that,
Speaker 1: because you are a preeminent voice in America, not just
Speaker 1: Black America. As far as I'm concerned, I love talking
Speaker 1: to you, and I know that you ain't gonna just
Speaker 1: sit back eating your popcorn, even though you clearly eat
Speaker 1: my brother.
Speaker 2: You do eat man, you big boy. But here's my
Speaker 2: question to you.
Speaker 1: How do you feel, we know how to right feels
Speaker 1: about this big beautiful deal.
Speaker 3: What's your issue.
Speaker 2: With the big beautiful deal.
Speaker 1: Educate my audience to the specifics about why the deal
Speaker 1: may be may not be big and beautiful at all
Speaker 1: in your mind and in the minds of liberals.
Speaker 6: The first and first and foremost, and the position that
Speaker 6: I take is I've never called myself a liberal or conservative.
Speaker 3: I call myself a voter.
Speaker 6: And I look at this purely through a I can
Speaker 6: look at this through a human lens. The people that
Speaker 6: will greatly benefit from this bill are the richest people
Speaker 6: in the country. The people that will be hurt are
Speaker 6: the poors. When I listen to look, I am a Christian.
Speaker 6: The Catholic Church that I grew up in was founded
Speaker 6: in my grandparents' living room. My wife and is an
Speaker 6: ordained minister. I'm a Christian book author. And when I
Speaker 6: look at evangelicals who are silent, who are saying nothing
Speaker 6: about the massive cuts on how it's going to impact
Speaker 6: the poor that it's greatly offensive to me. That's why
Speaker 6: I stay at Bishop William Barber and Repairs of the
Speaker 6: breach and the Poor People's Campaign and their efforts against this.
Speaker 3: When you look at.
Speaker 6: The cuts to snap benefits, when you look get the
Speaker 6: cuts to eight hundred and eighty billion dollars to medicaid,
Speaker 6: when you look at the impact when it comes to
Speaker 6: women having children, all of that is real to what
Speaker 6: to be able to make permanent the Trump tax cuts
Speaker 6: from twenty seventeen that benefited the richest in the country. Please,
Speaker 6: is that actually what they need? When you look at this,
Speaker 6: that's what it speaks to. When you've got Republicans who
Speaker 6: are voting on a bill that prevents states from regulating
Speaker 6: AI for at least a decade. I'm sorry, how did
Speaker 6: that get in the bill? The other day I was
Speaker 6: reading that the assertion in the bill that will required
Speaker 6: banks to pay back crypto investors before they paid back
Speaker 6: depositors if there's an issue with that bank.
Speaker 3: But when you start looking at this bill and looking.
Speaker 6: At all of the perks in there for the rich
Speaker 6: and how it hurts support, it's a problem. If you
Speaker 6: cut eight hundred and eighty billion for Medicaid. You're going
Speaker 6: to be impacting rural hospitals. You know that's gonna hurt
Speaker 6: a lot of the white folks who voted for Trump
Speaker 6: in rural America. Not just rural black folks in black
Speaker 6: ones in rule America, but rural white folks. We saw
Speaker 6: what happened when this took place in North Carolina. I'll
Speaker 6: never forget. Bishop William Barber was at a parade and
Speaker 6: is redneck with a Confederate flag.
Speaker 3: Drinkeed over his shoulder.
Speaker 6: Walked up to Bishop Barber, and he said, with a
Speaker 6: tear in his eye, Bishop, you know, I gotta be
Speaker 6: honest with you. I don't agree with a whole lot,
Speaker 6: but thank you for trying to save out hospitals. And
Speaker 6: so the problem we have is the brokest, stickest places
Speaker 6: in America are the reddest. So people always talking about
Speaker 6: black folks vote against their interests, probably all these white
Speaker 6: conservatives who are voting.
Speaker 3: Against their interests.
Speaker 6: They're cutting education, they're cutting health care, they're cutting government benefits.
Speaker 6: Who takes advantage of that more than anybody else? Broke
Speaker 6: white people in America West Virginia, Mississippi, Arkansas, North Carolina,
Speaker 6: South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia.
Speaker 3: So those folks.
Speaker 6: Should be up at arms, because trust me, they are
Speaker 6: going to be severely hurt if this bill gets through Congress.
Speaker 1: One could easily argue, based on everything you just broke down,
Speaker 1: that it should be easy for people in this day
Speaker 1: and age to see the light and to rally up
Speaker 1: against what we're seeing from this quote unquote big beautiful
Speaker 1: bill and what we're seeing from the Trump administration thus far. Nevertheless,
Speaker 1: when you talk to the folks on the right, they
Speaker 1: seem to be not worried at all about.
Speaker 2: Folks on the left because they accused of votes.
Speaker 1: On the left for not having any kind of vision
Speaker 1: for America whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Talking about the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: Ain't talking about Roland mart And they're talking about the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: What do you say to that?
Speaker 1: Do you believe that this is an opportunity for the
Speaker 1: Democrats to pounce on, to capitalize off of the gate
Speaker 1: we gain some seats in the House and the Senate,
Speaker 1: or is this one of those city situations where you
Speaker 1: think that the Democrats will miss the boat and drop
Speaker 1: the ball and not take advantage of this particular moment
Speaker 1: where Trump and the GOP seem a bit more vulnerable.
Speaker 6: Well, it's what you're sitting right now. First and foremost,
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty six election is a long way away,
Speaker 6: and so what you have to do is and I've
Speaker 6: been telling people that's why I don't waste breath on
Speaker 6: twenty twenty eight. Even right now twenty twenty six, I
Speaker 6: FoST in twenty twenty five. You've got state races happening.
Speaker 6: You've got googlatorial races in Virginia. You've got mag Lieutenant
Speaker 6: Governor Winston Sears, a black woman running against former congress
Speaker 6: Woman's van Burg. On the Democratic side, the Democrats right
Speaker 6: now control the House and the Senate. If they control
Speaker 6: if they keep control of the House, Don Scott, my
Speaker 6: Alpher brother Pleasure in Texas, A and m Pile mccron
Speaker 6: remain Speaker of the House, Luise Lucas remains in control
Speaker 6: of the money in the Senate. If Democrats control the
Speaker 6: governor's mansion, they now have the trifecta. And now they
Speaker 6: can actually pass a deal that will then enshrine and
Speaker 6: the return of voting rights for the formerly incarcerated. So
Speaker 6: as a perfect example, now New Jersey, their good latorial
Speaker 6: primary is on Tuesday. Mayor Rosbaraka is running, then you,
Speaker 6: of course down it's a very blue state. But that's
Speaker 6: right now. Now, what then happens after they got a
Speaker 6: mayor only election in New Orleans. We've seen major elections
Speaker 6: and other places around the country. So look, you saw
Speaker 6: a black Democrat being a white Republican in Omaha, Nebraska,
Speaker 6: and that person was a two tournament combany.
Speaker 3: So you've seen what Republicans have actually lost some seats.
Speaker 6: Here's what Democrats have to do. You can't just say
Speaker 6: Trump is full of crap, which she is. You can't
Speaker 6: say the Republicans are all about the rich, which they are.
Speaker 6: I mean, the facts are the facts. You also have
Speaker 6: to lay out what your agenda is. And if you
Speaker 6: look at polling that polling data shows that a lot
Speaker 6: of people are not happy at all with national Democrats.
Speaker 3: But when you start going down ballot, that changes.
Speaker 6: What has to happen right now is you're gonna see
Speaker 6: for twenty six where you're gonna have individual candidates.
Speaker 3: Do I believe Democrats are gonna take back the House.
Speaker 3: The answer is yeah, the Republicans only have a three or
Speaker 3: four seat majority.
Speaker 7: But so you're gonna have individual key. You think the
Speaker 7: Democrats gonna take back the House. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 7: Democrats gonna take back the House. Okay, right now, go ahead.
Speaker 7: You have some you have Republicans.
Speaker 6: You have you have Republicans who are in purple seats
Speaker 6: districts that that Biden won that they are very concerned
Speaker 6: about losing, which you have now. And Democrats are doing
Speaker 6: very smart by going to Republican congressional districts and holding
Speaker 6: town halls because the Republicans don't want to hold the
Speaker 6: town halls for fear of getting cussed out by their
Speaker 6: own voters. So basically be doing a lot more of that.
Speaker 6: But you also have to be articulating what is your agenda. Frankly,
Speaker 6: Senator Chuck Schumer of the Centiminari leader has been very
Speaker 6: weak on this. I haven't heard a lot you see
Speaker 6: a little bit more from a Democratic House. In the Hai,
Speaker 6: King Jeffries, his problem is he doesn't have He can't
Speaker 6: do much. Schumer could literally stop appointments. They can stuck
Speaker 6: they You can do a lot more with the Senate rules.
Speaker 3: You can in the House.
Speaker 6: What the House has to do with Jeffries has to
Speaker 6: do and get his Caucus to be doing, they've got
Speaker 6: to be far more vocal. And as Congresswoman Maxine water
Speaker 6: centerm on the show last night, she said, we should
Speaker 6: be taken to the streets leading protests, doing sit ins
Speaker 6: because you have to raise awareness of what is happening
Speaker 6: when you talk about the destruct the destructive path that
Speaker 6: we're seeing the you know right now, stephen A, they
Speaker 6: are threatening with to stut down the education department that
Speaker 6: is gonna impact a program I had him on last
Speaker 6: night where first generation students, mostly people of color.
Speaker 3: Uh, they will be losing those benefits.
Speaker 6: The program is one point two billion dollars and it's
Speaker 6: gonna impact at more than a half a million first
Speaker 6: time college students. So don't you think we would want
Speaker 6: first generation folks being able to reach the American dream.
Speaker 3: They're gonna cut that program out if they shout down
Speaker 3: a Department of education.
Speaker 6: That's the brain dead stuff that happens. And the hard
Speaker 6: part is that when it's being talked about. That's why
Speaker 6: I can't watch the cable networks because they talk about
Speaker 6: process process. No, on my show, I talk about real people,
Speaker 6: how a regular person is going to be impacted.
Speaker 3: Your students, student loans.
Speaker 6: We're talking about mothers, fathers, single dads, single moms, So
Speaker 6: we have to talk about policy that impacts the regular person.
Speaker 6: As my man, the late Joe Madison said, you got
Speaker 6: to put in where the goat can get it.
Speaker 1: Democrats times I use that, you know, have you had,
Speaker 1: if you've heard, if you've watched me on first take,
Speaker 1: I've used that line several times, you know, crediting the great,
Speaker 1: the late great Joe Madison, godrest. So give it to
Speaker 1: them where the goats can get it, no question about that.
Speaker 1: Real quick answer to this question, what should folks prefer,
Speaker 1: like whether it's the Democrat or the Republican party, what
Speaker 1: should the folks prefer?
Speaker 2: More seats in the House or more seats in the Senate?
Speaker 1: If you had to get one, particularly these mid terms
Speaker 1: coming up over a year from now, which one.
Speaker 2: Would you prefer to have? The House of the Senate?
Speaker 3: No Senate.
Speaker 6: The reason the Senate because the Senate is the one
Speaker 6: that confirms federal judges. Those are lifetime appointments, so that
Speaker 6: always the Senate over the House. The problem is the
Speaker 6: map does it benefit Democrats and benefits Republicans?
Speaker 3: When you look at the seats they're going to be
Speaker 3: opened now.
Speaker 6: Republicans are desperate to get a strong Republican to run
Speaker 6: against Senator John Osof in Georgia. They want to take
Speaker 6: that seat. Governor Brian kimp has Alread announced he's not running.
Speaker 6: They thought he was going to be the best choice.
Speaker 6: Democrats should really be focusing like a laser on Tom
Speaker 6: Tillis in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: And if they do that, they better.
Speaker 6: Take their asses to the Black Belt in North Carolina,
Speaker 6: which is east North Caro Carolina. Vice President Kamala Harris
Speaker 6: made a huge mistake so that President Joe Biden Democrats
Speaker 6: keep doing this. They keep going to western North Carolina.
Speaker 6: You split the North Carolina map, they always go West Charlotte,
Speaker 6: Mecklenburg County, Riley Dorm. But guess what the votes are
Speaker 6: in black Belt in East North Carolina.
Speaker 3: So you got that going on as well.
Speaker 6: You've got potentially a Democrat could run against Susan Collins
Speaker 6: in New Hampshire, but the matt favors Republicans, so the
Speaker 6: likelihood Democrats have a better shot at retaking the House,
Speaker 6: and they do the Senate, but they could pick up
Speaker 6: some games. And again Republicans they want to take Osoft
Speaker 6: off out in Georgia, and so I can tell you
Speaker 6: right now, put a number on it. You're gonna see
Speaker 6: minimum minimum one hundred and fifty million, two hundred million
Speaker 6: spent in Georgia alone to take Center osoft off out.
Speaker 6: He knows that, and he's preparing for it. And Democrats
Speaker 6: got a gourd for that battle.
Speaker 1: Let me get to a subject near and dear to me,
Speaker 1: because I only got you for a few more minutes,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get this out of the way.
Speaker 1: Back in January of twenty twenty four, I was one
Speaker 1: of the first to say on this very show that
Speaker 1: I thought Joe Biden was too old to serve a
Speaker 1: second term. It wasn't just age, it was what I
Speaker 1: was seeing. And of course I got blasted. You were
Speaker 1: one of the people that blasted me. Yes, my man,
Speaker 1: Roland Martin, God on me, ladies and gentlemen. Now Jake
Speaker 1: Tapper has the book out, Original Sin with Alex Thompson.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've read about that, talking about the president's
Speaker 1: the former president's decline per se, anything you want to
Speaker 1: say about that, Roland Martin, In, fact that you know
Speaker 1: now people are looking at you got Karenne Jean Pierre
Speaker 1: coming out with her book and she wants to lead
Speaker 1: a Democratic party and now she's saying she's an independent,
Speaker 1: And all we're gonna hear about is some of the
Speaker 1: things that we thought we were seeing with the human
Speaker 1: eye from President Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: What do you want to say about any of that?
Speaker 1: Roland Martin, While I got you on this show, it
Speaker 1: is unfiltered here too, by the way, so feel free.
Speaker 6: First thing, I don't give a damn about Jake Tapper
Speaker 6: at Alec Thompson's book.
Speaker 3: I really don't. I don't really care.
Speaker 6: Here's the reality here that I will say, and this
Speaker 6: goes to any politician, and we've actually seen this. If
Speaker 6: you look at the last ten politicians that have died
Speaker 6: in office, eight of them have been Republican excuse me,
Speaker 6: any of them have been Democrats. We just saw Congressman
Speaker 6: Jerry Connelly who ran for reelection his cancer came back.
Speaker 6: We saw my frat brother Loved Them Dearly Houston, former
Speaker 6: Houston Mayor's Vester Turner, who ran to replace to take
Speaker 6: the scene of congom with Suba Jackson Lee, who ran
Speaker 6: herself and then later died of pin created cancer, and
Speaker 6: so politicians need to be honest and people around the
Speaker 6: me to be honest.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's time to.
Speaker 6: Go, so you can actually leave with dignity and grace.
Speaker 6: And my concern is that like the images of Robert
Speaker 6: Bird and strom thurmon Ben wheeled around and held.
Speaker 3: Up I mean, we know what those images looks like.
Speaker 6: And so I hope politicians need to be honest to
Speaker 6: learn and let go of power, but people around them
Speaker 6: also have to have to actually be honest. Do I
Speaker 6: believe Do I believe that Joe Biden was an effective president?
Speaker 6: The answer is yes. But here's the issue which you're
Speaker 6: talking about. People are raised the American presidency. It's not
Speaker 6: just about how you can make decisions in an office out.
Speaker 3: Of the way.
Speaker 6: It's also about the projection of power. It's also about
Speaker 6: how you agree. It's also about I mean, people don't
Speaker 6: people don't understand how much the presidency it's really about
Speaker 6: that what Americans want, and he was one of the
Speaker 6: biggest races of all time. But the reality is what
Speaker 6: Americans want. Americans want John Wayne in the old office.
Speaker 6: They want when the American president walks in, they want
Speaker 6: to see it. One of the reasons why we've always
Speaker 6: lected Paul presidents. People don't understand how these things are impact.
Speaker 6: So part of the issue for President Joe Biden was.
Speaker 3: The appearance of being feeble, taking his time mumbling.
Speaker 6: We know he also was a stutterer, and the reality
Speaker 6: that image doesn't fit the image of how Americans see
Speaker 6: a president.
Speaker 3: We know Trump is nuts and crazy.
Speaker 6: People like, oh, he's brash, he does this here and
Speaker 6: even though he says crazy.
Speaker 3: Stuff all the time and me doesn't focus.
Speaker 6: On He is all about the image of strong, tough vigor,
Speaker 6: and that's what we have to recognize. And that was
Speaker 6: a huge, a stomach block for people around Biden and
Speaker 6: for him and.
Speaker 3: Jill as well, and they didn't see it.
Speaker 6: And whether he likes it or not, they can get
Speaker 6: mad all they want to with being forced out.
Speaker 3: And it was an.
Speaker 6: Awful three weeks, but that debate was huge, usually problematic
Speaker 6: and vote lost confidence. And guess what when people lose confidence,
Speaker 6: whether you are the American people or a husband and
Speaker 6: a wife, whether you're a player and your coach Tom Thibodeau,
Speaker 6: guess what when the people lose confidence in you leading,
Speaker 6: you can't roll.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you this, I got to tell
Speaker 1: you this before I get on out of here. I
Speaker 1: got to tell you this. My problem with the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party right now. What I'm seeing is I like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Wes Moore Maryland. I think that
Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro should have been a VP selections.
Speaker 2: It's in Waltz. That's my personal that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: And we know that we've got governors from the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party that can run for office, that could possibly, that
Speaker 1: likely do a hell of a job. I don't see
Speaker 1: anybody on the left having a national presence to win
Speaker 1: an election. I know you ain't thinking about twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 1: but I'm bringing it up now because I'm thinking. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just a I'm saying that. I know you didn't
Speaker 1: want to bring up twenty twenty eight. You said you
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: So so let me unpack that. Let me unpack that.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just looking. I'm just looking at you.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, good, please go ahead, all right.
Speaker 6: Study the last forty years. The last forty years, very
Speaker 6: few individuals who become president have a national presidence.
Speaker 3: So again, let's take this thing back.
Speaker 6: Reagan runs for Reagan becomes the governor of California. Okay,
Speaker 6: he runs for president. He runs for president and he loses.
Speaker 3: Okay. Carter was the governor of Georgia. He wins.
Speaker 6: Reagan wins in eighty after being the governor of California,
Speaker 6: ran for president lost.
Speaker 3: George H. W.
Speaker 6: Bush is the only one. Yeah, long time ago memory.
Speaker 6: He was a member of Congress, he was vice president.
Speaker 6: You go to ninety then you go Bill Clinton, governor
Speaker 6: of Arkansas. He gave it speech at the Democratic National
Speaker 6: Convention in eighty eight. People thought his career was dead.
Speaker 6: He wins the president in ninety two. What happens in
Speaker 6: two thousand? Texas Governor George W.
Speaker 3: Bush.
Speaker 6: Obama was a state senator and trust me, the only
Speaker 6: reason all those bills got passed.
Speaker 3: They credit him. That was the Senate President e. Neil Jones.
Speaker 3: So he was a state senator, becomes a US senator.
Speaker 6: So the reality is the people that become president, they
Speaker 6: never have a national presidence two three years out that
Speaker 6: actually deals when they announce and then you begin to
Speaker 6: run nationally.
Speaker 3: That's just what hasn't.
Speaker 2: Has it that changed? But has it?
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying has it that changed?
Speaker 1: People keep talking about the climate. We never thought there's
Speaker 1: nowhere else with the years of Gary Hart and John
Speaker 1: Edwards and all this stuff. There's nowhere on earth that
Speaker 1: anybody ever thought that a guy like Donald Trump would
Speaker 1: be the president of the United States.
Speaker 2: But here he is, not just once, but twice.
Speaker 1: And so when you look at it from that standpoint
Speaker 1: and you see the maga right in the influence they
Speaker 1: appear to have, don't need doesn't it need to be
Speaker 1: something a little bit different in order for the Democrats
Speaker 1: to reclaim their position?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: No, because the reality is Trump is an aberration one
Speaker 6: he was. He was created by Jeff Ducker and NBC
Speaker 6: with The Apprentice, that false notion.
Speaker 3: He's also created by New York tabloids. Okay, only reason we.
Speaker 6: Even knew about Donald Trump because they kept putting them
Speaker 6: in the media.
Speaker 3: Steven, I'll tell you this point blank thing. But then
Speaker 3: when I was said, when I was at CNN, I'll never.
Speaker 6: Forget he Woo Woodson was interviewing him, and I went
Speaker 6: to the one of the bookers, Tephany contoob I was like,
Speaker 6: why the hell y'all got him on? And oh, whatever,
Speaker 6: he's on he does great rating.
Speaker 3: I said what I said, he's full of crap, and
Speaker 3: actually I was awful. You got to trip out for this.
Speaker 3: This is no line.
Speaker 6: I was on with Heidie Phillips on CNN. We were
Speaker 6: talking about it and I said, this is what I said. Now,
Speaker 6: wish my folks at CNN will find a.
Speaker 3: Clip that sent it to me.
Speaker 6: I said, anytime Donald Trump comes on CNN, we should
Speaker 6: run a crawl at the bottom that said for entertainment
Speaker 6: purposes only. The executive vice president of Seeing in Ken
Speaker 6: Jout sent me in email said, don't be critical of
Speaker 6: Trump when he's coming on our air. Donald Trump was
Speaker 6: a media creation. You can't find any other person that
Speaker 6: the media, national media, newspapers, magazines.
Speaker 3: Would prop up.
Speaker 6: So the reason Trump is so different is he didn't
Speaker 6: have to go a normal route because national media created
Speaker 6: Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And so if you look at.
Speaker 6: From twenty eleven when he was flirting for running, he
Speaker 6: runs in sixteen, that was five years he had already
Speaker 6: had this national persona that was already created.
Speaker 3: So he is a media creation.
Speaker 6: There's nobody else the media has elevated in that way
Speaker 6: who I.
Speaker 3: Believe can do what he has done in running for
Speaker 3: the Obal Office.
Speaker 1: So I'll let you get on out of here. You
Speaker 1: heard Steve Bannon call for Elon Musk to be deported.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 3: South afric don't one of his ads. So you know what,
Speaker 3: here's the deal. Sure, sim to el Salvador. Uh again
Speaker 3: Steve Bannon, Steve Bannon also his credit. He called this
Speaker 3: and and and he.
Speaker 6: Saw what was going on there because Steve Bannon was
Speaker 6: Elon was Elon Musk for Elon Musk. Trump ran him
Speaker 6: out as well because he was getting too much attention. Uh.
Speaker 3: And so again it's it's hilarious to see what's going on.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, Bannon is an anti globalist. He thinks that
Speaker 3: that's what Musk is.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: I'm more concerned about uh. And I gut it is
Speaker 6: probably stop now. Pro Publica had an amazing article Stephen
Speaker 6: Ali cent Toia where the Trump administration was pressuring African
Speaker 6: nations to sign contracts with Elon Musk star Leak. Gambia
Speaker 6: was like, absolutely not. They were pressuring that small nation.
Speaker 6: And that's what Trump did to the South African president
Speaker 6: when he was in the Oval office.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: And so this administration was using the power of the
Speaker 6: United States Oval Office in order to drive business to
Speaker 6: Elon Musk. Hopefully all of that now stops since these
Speaker 6: two have fallen out. But that to me was a
Speaker 6: shameful thing that a lot of people didn't talk about.
Speaker 6: I had the Republican reporter with Republica on the show. Uh,
Speaker 6: and again African nations were being pressured by Trump's team
Speaker 6: to give star Link contracts to Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: That was foul.
Speaker 3: So hey, someone else that would do it as a whaler.
Speaker 1: So so my last question to you would be this,
Speaker 1: you got this stuff. I know I ain't that true
Speaker 1: because because I'm with you, Because I'm with you, last question,
Speaker 1: I swear with this stuff with Musk and Trump?
Speaker 2: Is it going in the end? Is it going to
Speaker 2: benefit the Democrats?
Speaker 3: It will? It will? Uh, it can't hold.
Speaker 6: Look, it can benefit Democrats if what it does is
Speaker 6: it with Musk's criticism and if he uses his voice
Speaker 6: in Twitter and platform to keep exposing the negative elements
Speaker 6: with their lot in this bill, that's going to create
Speaker 6: pressure on Republicans to vote for It's already you already
Speaker 6: got gotta remember they're trying to pass it. The reconciliation
Speaker 6: they need a majority of the votes. You've got four
Speaker 6: or five Republicans who've already said I'm not supporting this bill.
Speaker 6: Senator Ron Johnson, hardcore mag out of Wisconsin again was
Speaker 6: trashing it. Sener Rampaul of Kentucky vote states that voted
Speaker 6: for Trump. So if all of a sudden, if he
Speaker 6: starts saying, look at this crap, look at this crap,
Speaker 6: look at this crap. And if he keeps saying how
Speaker 6: this is going to increase the national debt, yeah, it
Speaker 6: can be problematic. So if i'm if I'm Democrats, every
Speaker 6: single I'm doing I'm doing a David Letterman Top ten list.
Speaker 3: I'm if I'm.
Speaker 6: Speaker Jefferson, I'll Senator Schumer, I'm getting me a David
Speaker 6: Letterman top ten list. These are the worst things today
Speaker 6: in the big beautiful bill. Because you have to educate,
Speaker 6: enlighten and inform people. All we hear is big beautiful bill,
Speaker 6: massive bill. The average person, Steve to Day ain't sitting
Speaker 6: here breaking this bill apart. And you're not getting that
Speaker 6: on seeing in MSNBC and the Fox. So the Democrats
Speaker 6: should be doing that, And what that does is put pressure,
Speaker 6: Oh that y'all know this was in it, and this
Speaker 6: and this. Now call your congressman, call your senator. That
Speaker 6: has to happen, and.
Speaker 3: So most can actually do that. If he starts doing that.
Speaker 6: With Twitter, yeah no, call it X, then it could
Speaker 6: be a huge problem for Republicans to pass this bill.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this bill could very well die.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the education. Appreciate you always educating me. Appreciate you
Speaker 2: getting on sable when you love that because I kind
Speaker 2: of love it. I kind of love it. It bothers me.
Speaker 1: I know you got love for me, even though you
Speaker 1: don't want to admit it half the time.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.
Speaker 3: Now with your the white suit you had on in
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City, it.
Speaker 2: Was pretty damn fly. Stop acting like it wasn't fly.
Speaker 2: Come on, rolling that was pretty damn flaw like that.
Speaker 3: Come on, I was like, damn. I was like Steve
Speaker 3: May looked like Bennie hen.
Speaker 2: May. Get out of here, man. I told you later,
Speaker 2: the one.
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