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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast, and today

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Speaker 1: we have got to go through exactly what is going

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Speaker 1: on with Michelle Obama. You know what, generally I don't

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Speaker 1: touch what's happening with Michelle Obama. She is a first lady.

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Speaker 1: I have great respect for the first ladies of this country.

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Speaker 1: But when they don't have respect for you, and they

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Speaker 1: continuously go out and tell you they have never had

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Speaker 1: respect for you, it's kind of hard to not address it.

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Speaker 1: So we thought we would bring in an expert on

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Speaker 1: this issue, and that is Stacey Washington because she is

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Speaker 1: an expert on all things pop culture, what's happening, current events.

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Speaker 1: She is the host of Stacy on the Right on

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM Patriot Channel. And I thought you would be

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Speaker 1: the best person to talk about this with because I

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Speaker 1: needed another woman.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am a cisgendered meaning real woman, and I'm

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Speaker 2: glad to be here with you another real, actual biological woman.

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Speaker 2: So I was watching these things from the perspective of

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Speaker 2: someone who you know, you wake up in the morning

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Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, you know, my ankle hurts, or

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Speaker 2: you know I have to do this or that that

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Speaker 2: I didn't do yesterday. Whatever your thing is, maybe you

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Speaker 2: have some real serious problems, like you have health issues

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Speaker 2: or something about in your family, and it's the first

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Speaker 2: thing that hits your brain in the morning.

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Speaker 3: And so as I was watching some of the clips of.

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Speaker 2: Her, the first thing I thought was, you wake up

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Speaker 2: in the morning, the former first Lady of the United States,

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Speaker 2: and the first thing you think about is that white

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Speaker 2: people have made you keep your hair straight, and so

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Speaker 2: you can't swim. I'm not sure if she's saying she

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Speaker 2: can't swim. She was saying black people can't swim because

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: And I know that. So first of all, let's listen.

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Speaker 3: We have the clip. We can play it so people

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Speaker 3: can hear. I can know what what I'm talking about here.

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Speaker 1: It's because I actually, weirdly enough, I woke up this

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Speaker 1: morning and I was like, I didn't know that we

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Speaker 1: were forcing anyone to do their hair a certain way.

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Speaker 1: It was like the first time I had heard that.

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Speaker 1: So listen, listen to her.

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Speaker 3: You have been a power tutor.

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Speaker 1: I know, I really, I was like, and I did

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Speaker 1: feel guilty about it, and then I was like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is the crotchiest rich lady ever. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to here we go. Here's the crotchety rich lady.

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Speaker 3: Here she is.

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Speaker 4: Oh, And the decision to get my hair braided was

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Speaker 4: primarily a continuation of that freedom. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like a lot of people want to know what

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Speaker 3: doo braids mean? What does she mean? Look y'all, we should.

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Speaker 4: Mean it, you know, I mean, that's what white folks are.

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Speaker 3: It's like, what does that mean? What are you saying?

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Speaker 3: We were saying nothing except.

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Speaker 4: I just don't want to have to do my hair

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Speaker 4: every day and I want to I.

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Speaker 3: Want to go swimming.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to have to worry about it.

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Speaker 3: Let me explain something to white people.

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Speaker 4: Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a

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Speaker 4: curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your

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Speaker 4: beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why

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Speaker 4: so many of us can't swim and we run away

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Speaker 5: People won't go to the gym because we're.

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Speaker 4: Trying to keep our hair straight. For y'all, it is exhausting,

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Speaker 4: and it's so expensive, and it takes up so much time.

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Speaker 3: Braids are for.

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Speaker 4: Y'all, so we can work harder and focus on the work.

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Speaker 4: So Why do we need an act, an act of

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Speaker 4: law to tell white folks to get out our hair.

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Speaker 4: Don't tell me how to wear my hair, don't wonder

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Speaker 3: Just don't it just is? So what did I miss?

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Speaker 1: Was there a time when people were ripping on her hair?

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Speaker 3: I don't know why she's saying this.

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Speaker 2: Well, there were some really rough comments about some braids

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Speaker 2: she'd had put in before she and and the girls

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Speaker 2: went on vacation while he was still in office, and

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Speaker 2: on beach vacations or Caribbean vacations, and there were some

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Speaker 2: negative comments. It was it was like it was mainstream

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Speaker 2: big names, some of them. But it was an acknowledgment

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Speaker 2: And it's true that because I had a relaxer when

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Speaker 2: and so. But what she's talking about is a perspective

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Speaker 2: Hair freedom became a thing in the nineties. She's also

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Speaker 2: referring to a law that had to be passed because

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Speaker 2: on active duty in the military, you actually had to

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Speaker 2: have a certain hair standard and afros were not it.

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Speaker 2: If you had an afro, it had to be under

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Speaker 2: a certain number of inches, which were women. Meant you

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Speaker 2: had to have hair like a man, so you'd have

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Speaker 2: to have your hair pulled back. You had to wear

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Speaker 2: your hair in a ponytail if it's passed your ears

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Speaker 2: in the military, if your hair is longer than basically,

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Speaker 2: once it graises the shoulder, it has to be pulled back.

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Speaker 2: So she's referring to a lot of different things there.

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Speaker 2: I thought what she said was kind of funny in

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Speaker 2: a way because for the audience, a lot of them

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Speaker 2: identified with it. But it's not actually something that most

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Speaker 2: white people know about that in some workplaces it is

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Speaker 2: actually frowned upon to have natural hair, especially the higher

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Speaker 2: up you go in corporate America. But the issue that

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Speaker 2: I have with what she said is that's the seventies

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Speaker 2: and the eighties, and it is the year of our

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Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty five where one of our Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: justices has sister locks, Katanji Brown Jackson. Now, I know

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Speaker 2: it's a question as to whether or not she should

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Speaker 2: We're wearing their hair naturally everywhere now, so it is

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Speaker 2: not only mainstream. It's kind of It's kind of like

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Speaker 2: when you have an argument with your husband and it's

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Speaker 2: still hanging on to whatever that fight was, and you

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Speaker 2: keep bringing it up again and again, and he's like, dude,

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Speaker 2: I haven't I haven't done that to you in like

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Speaker 2: eight years, And then you stop for a second. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: have you fixed this problem? Because I'm still that's worse.

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Speaker 2: I'm still living there. She's still living in the seventies

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Speaker 2: I kind of expect someone who used to live at

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Speaker 2: sixteen hundred Pensylvania Avenue. It's one of my favorite buildings

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Speaker 2: I've been to some pretty amazing places. I've been in

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Speaker 2: Avenue is one of the most pristine, amazing architectural marbles

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Speaker 2: in the entire world. It is our house, but she

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Speaker 2: got to live there for eight years, and so I

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Speaker 2: kind of feel like, at this stage of the game,

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Speaker 2: I want her to elevate her conversation above the kind

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Speaker 2: of things you hear at beauty shops, the conversation you

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Speaker 2: just saw her have with that other multimillionaire, that other

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Speaker 2: lady whose mother was exact Sannah Ross, that other one

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Speaker 2: her actual mom, her biological mother is Diana Ross. So

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Speaker 2: the two of them are sitting there having a conversation

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Speaker 2: about black hair. I would rather she talked about some

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Speaker 2: of the things that Americans. These are cultural problems all

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Speaker 2: Americans are facing with the breakdown of the family, a

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Speaker 2: we've allowed ourselves to slip into as a culture as Americans.

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Speaker 2: That foreigners are beginning to notice that we have a

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Speaker 2: rampant single parent culture here, that a lot of us

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Speaker 2: are struggling with weight and health issues in a country

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Speaker 2: where you can buy everything organic, even your cat food

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Speaker 3: Right. There are a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Things that she could be speaking into and still be

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Speaker 1: She's not breakable. I can get on her hair or

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Speaker 1: argument too. If it's like a Hey, as women, we

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Speaker 1: kind of face a different standard than we do men.

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Speaker 1: Men don't have to do their hair at all, and

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Speaker 2: Men don't have to wear makeup and they look some

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Speaker 2: of them like they're wearing it until you get up

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Speaker 3: Why don't the women have the same skin as the men?

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Speaker 2: As my question, I want to know my son also

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Speaker 2: has eyelashes that stick out like tabletops, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't have them, your dad, your sisters don't have those.

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Speaker 2: You are the only one who has those. What is

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Speaker 1: And your husband is ready in five minutes and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I'll be there in an hour. Yeah, this is not

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Speaker 1: a white versus black thing. And that's where I feel

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Speaker 1: like a lot of women could have seen her as

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Speaker 1: this huge champion for women, even with these conversations. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: when I was twenty years old, my hair started to

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Speaker 1: go gray. When I got cancer, my hair went really gray.

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Speaker 1: And it is every I have to go to the

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Speaker 1: salon every three weeks and have my whole lot on.

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Speaker 3: And then when you run.

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Speaker 1: For office, which I see her as a similar situation

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Speaker 1: because as the first lady, you're really running alongside your husband. Man,

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Speaker 1: everybody has an opinion on what you wear. My jeans

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Speaker 1: I wear the jeans? I was told? And I have

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Speaker 1: someone in the background laughing right now because she knows

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. How could you wear those jeans?

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Speaker 1: You look like an idiot. It's like people are not kind.

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Speaker 1: It's not a white versus black thing. It is a

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Speaker 1: public opinion and you have to be presented. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's for women. It is a lot different men

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Speaker 1: can wear. You as a man can wear the same shirt,

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Speaker 1: the same vest, the same jeans everywhere on the campaign trail.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's like, that's the same thing you've been wearing for

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Speaker 3: If I did twice, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And that's not even that's not just for or like

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Speaker 2: if you're running for office, So you ran for major office,

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Speaker 2: state office, statewide, you had to meet millions of people

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Speaker 2: and they were all judging you on your appearance and

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Speaker 2: your attributes, your qualifications. It was a double whammy. They

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Speaker 2: didn't just say, what is Tutor Dixon's background? Then when

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Speaker 5: I remember when I realized that clothing, my hair, and

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Speaker 3: She's desperate to kill we don't want it, we don't

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Speaker 2: You'd never see me again if I had a house

438
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Speaker 2: on Martha's vineyards. But she's constantly in our faces.

439
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Speaker 1: It's just but she's in She's in our faces and

440
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Speaker 1: saying she doesn't want to be there, which is ridiculous

441
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Speaker 1: to see someone who goes out on tour across the

442
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Speaker 1: country and says how much she hates it. Her disdain

443
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Speaker 1: for being first lady just there. When you saw in

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Speaker 1: that clip when she asks her about that and not

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Speaker 1: how I see it at all. Think of what she

446
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Speaker 1: could have shaped in that position. Like you said, she

447
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Speaker 1: is an attorney. She could have gone into that position

448
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Speaker 1: and been like, look, we are a power couple. And

449
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Speaker 1: I think that's what we expected to see. She didn't

450
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Speaker 1: like the spotlight, she didn't like the White House. Now

451
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Speaker 1: we know, well the reason we didn't see her more

452
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: active out there was because she hated every minute of it.

453
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Speaker 1: She's said that in her podcast since then. She's come

454
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Speaker 1: out she's just like me, me, me, show me to

455
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Speaker 1: talk about how much I hated the United States. But

456
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Speaker 1: you're right, it's very race focused. But the first time

457
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Speaker 1: we heard her in that clip being asked, you know

458
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Speaker 1: what about the presidency, and she says, clearly, we are

459
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Speaker 1: not ready for a woman, and I'm not going to

460
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Speaker 1: step into this nobody.

461
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Speaker 3: She couldn't win.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't believe anyway, because she's been so nasty

463
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Speaker 1: to people, But she still wants people to say you're

464
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Speaker 1: the only one that can win, just so that she

465
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Speaker 1: can come out and say you're not ready for a woman.

466
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Speaker 1: And I thought the funniest part about this is she goes,

467
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Speaker 1: we clearly just saw that the United States is not

468
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Speaker 1: ready for a woman.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, that's not what that was.

470
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Speaker 1: We're not ready for Gombla.

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Speaker 3: Harry, You're right exactly, that's not what that was.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like also the conversation gets dumbed down

473
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Speaker 2: when we refer to who needs to be the next

474
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Speaker 2: president as we need a woman president. What we need

475
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: every time we're electing a president is someone who understands

476
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Speaker 2: the history of this country, the founding, and appreciates the

477
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: heritage that we all carry as Americans. And that person

478
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Speaker 2: needs to be America focused. And that's a struggle because

479
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: the world has become used to us being more focused

480
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Speaker 2: on them than ourselves, and so it's a struggle for

481
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Speaker 2: the commander in chief to actually execute on that. But

482
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Speaker 2: we need someone who's focused on that. And if that's

483
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Speaker 2: a woman, amazing. If that person's black, okay, I'm main

484
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Speaker 2: mainly obsessed with and focused on that person's personal attributes

485
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Speaker 2: and qualifications more so than the package that they come in.

486
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Speaker 2: And I think as long as we have that same

487
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Speaker 2: kind of focus, especially on the right side of the aisle,

488
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Speaker 2: like the ticket for twenty twenty eight, people are talking

489
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Speaker 2: about that in tutor, I actually think and I was

490
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Speaker 2: having a bunch with a friend who is in town.

491
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Speaker 3: Over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: My husband and I met him at this little restaurant

493
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Speaker 2: and he suggested that if we're looking for a woman

494
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Speaker 2: who also has those attributes and qualifications, it might be

495
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Speaker 2: Sarah how could be Sanders? And I was so excited

496
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Speaker 2: by that because I love her and I think she

497
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Speaker 2: is very qualified. She's also a governor, which is a great.

498
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Speaker 3: Thing to have.

499
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Speaker 2: She could run with Rubio. So we could have Rubio

500
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Speaker 2: Sanders and it would be pretty epic. But if it's

501
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Speaker 2: not going to be Sarah Hawkaby Sanders or some other

502
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Speaker 2: woman who is absolutely qualified beyond being a woman, then

503
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Speaker 2: it's you know, maybe it's Rubio Vance, or maybe it's

504
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Speaker 2: Vance Rubio. I know, there are a lot of different iterations,

505
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Speaker 2: and people have their you know what they want. So

506
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Speaker 2: there are people who are still talking about the Santas

507
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Speaker 2: He's about to leave the governor's mansion. But in all

508
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Speaker 2: of these conversations, if the the genitalia of the person

509
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Speaker 2: is the first consideration, like the Democrats, we lose. They

510
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Speaker 2: lost because they were focused on Kamala Harris being a

511
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Speaker 2: woman and they didn't remember four years of word salad.

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Speaker 1: I mean but let's say they were happy with her

513
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Speaker 1: as vice president, nobody was happy with her as president,

514
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Speaker 1: and they are now going right back to the slick

515
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Speaker 1: white guy with Gavin Newsom politicos saying he's the twenty

516
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Speaker 1: twenty eight front runner. I mean, she can't be complaining

517
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Speaker 1: about white Republicans when that's what Democrats are gonna put up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Tutor, your lips to God's ears,

519
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: because I think Gavin Newsom is eminently beatable because he

520
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 2: can't control his temper, right, He's actually easier for us

521
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Speaker 2: to beat than if they run someone who was less known.

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Speaker 2: And I believe I've never believed, So let me just

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Speaker 2: be clear before I make my statement, Tutor, I have

524
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Speaker 2: never once believed that Michelle Obama was running. I had

525
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Speaker 2: a guy on my show like four or five times

526
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Speaker 2: who has written a book and done a documentary about

527
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Speaker 2: how she's going to run for the presidency and how

528
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Speaker 2: she's been groomed to do it since she was like

529
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Speaker 2: a little girl, and I debunked every one of his

530
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Speaker 2: assertions and we had fun debates. But I never believed

531
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Speaker 2: it until I was at the Barnes and Noble picking

532
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Speaker 2: up my book club selection for the month, which I

533
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: was very late in getting to and rushing around, and

534
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Speaker 2: on the center paid tables was Michelle Obama's book. I

535
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Speaker 2: flipped through it. It's a glossy coffee table book. It's oversized,

536
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Speaker 2: it's beautiful. So, first of all, because I'm a person,

537
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Speaker 2: I love appreciating beauty.

538
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Speaker 3: I love it so much. I have an interior design

539
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Speaker 3: is my hobby.

540
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Speaker 2: I'm constantly buying things and refurbishing them and also collecting things.

541
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Speaker 3: I know beauty when I see it.

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Speaker 2: And this book was designed to help you forget all

543
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Speaker 2: of the horrible things she's said about America and focus

544
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Speaker 2: on her clothing, her hair, the images that are previously

545
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Speaker 2: unreleased from the archives at the White House of their

546
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: time in DC State dinners, her looking very demure and

547
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Speaker 2: very much a woman, very very slinky outfits, her seated

548
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Speaker 2: in places where these are images we haven't seen. Because

549
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Speaker 2: I've been on the White House press list for the

550
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Speaker 2: entire all the Obama the years, I've seen these pictures.

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Speaker 3: I've not seen these in this book.

552
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Speaker 2: I get my book, I go up to the front

553
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Speaker 2: table at the front to actually check out, and right

554
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Speaker 2: there in front of me is the cover of People magazine.

555
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: She's on that, so this is a cleansing tool or

556
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: she's on I believe it's going to go on for

557
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: three years, and I think she's going to announce. Now

558
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: she says she's not, but she didn't. She didn't ask

559
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: the clip they played the clip. She didn't say, I'm

560
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: not running. She said, you're not ready for a woman president.

561
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: So maybe she's turning on getting us ready right, So

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Speaker 2: I don't want her to run. It's not that I

563
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: want her. But James Carvel said on his podcast or

564
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Speaker 2: on the pod pod, the you know the one that

565
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: they the pod guys whatever it is, that is the

566
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: liberal big podcast. He was on there with that guy

567
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Speaker 2: and he said, we're going to win in twenty twenty eight,

568
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Speaker 2: and we're going to pack the Supreme Court and we're

569
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Speaker 2: going to legalize thirty million, uh you know, migrants. So

570
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Speaker 2: we're gonna we're going to set the reset the table

571
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Speaker 2: and make everything right again. He said, we're going to win. Well,

572
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Speaker 2: I believe they've gotten her to agree to run. I

573
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: don't know what they had to give her. Maybe they're

574
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Speaker 2: going to own an island or a small nation that

575
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Speaker 2: we don't know the name of. They're just going to

576
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: give it to the Obamas. I don't know, but I

577
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Speaker 2: believe she's gearing up for that, because otherwise, why do

578
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Speaker 2: we have to listen to her? Like you said, why

579
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Speaker 2: is she doing a podcast? If she hates the spotlight?

580
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Speaker 2: Why is she doing a pod has with her brother?

581
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: Why is she now doing this coffee table book?

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Speaker 3: Now? It could be just a vanity thing. I could

583
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Speaker 3: be wrong. I mean, you know, I'm a human being, but.

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Speaker 2: There's something different about the way like that that things

585
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: she was just doing there where she's trying to identify

586
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Speaker 2: with all the people in the country who aren't white,

587
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: and so you still need white people to vote for you.

588
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: But they have enough college educated moms who are on

589
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: the left to kind of buttress what they're doing. What

590
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: they're going to focus on is socialism and the alliance

591
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: with these these disparate factions like AOC and Bernie Sanders,

592
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Speaker 2: and their obsession with communism because they call it socialism

593
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: but it's communism. They're going to cobble those things together

594
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 2: and try to recreate what mom Donnie did in New

595
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: York City, which is due largely and he was elected

596
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: because Republicans didn't turn out. We have to learn how

597
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: to turn out when Trump's not on the ballot. That's

598
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: that we have some own, our own systemic issues to

599
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: deal with. But Tudor I sometimes when I when I

600
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: see people talking about her or see her trending again,

601
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a woman who hates the spotlight.

602
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: She hates America. She has enough money to leave. You

603
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: know a lot of people who found America to be

604
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: too racial, they just moved to France.

605
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: They moved.

606
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: Tina Turner took up residency in Italy and died there,

607
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: like she didn't even die in America. There are Americans

608
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Speaker 2: who are famous who whatever they don't like, they leave,

609
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: even Ella Ella and degenerous and Portia de Rossi moved

610
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: to Great Britain, bought a mini castle there which prompably

611
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: flooded and now they're having all kinds of issues with

612
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: their property. But I mean they left the country. They

613
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: said they couldn't be here because of Trump. So why

614
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: don't the Obamas leave if they hate it here so much,

615
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: if it's so horrible.

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Speaker 1: And for those who are listening, you've been watching politics

617
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Speaker 1: for a very long time, this is meaningful. The nuances

618
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: that you see the changes that you see are meaningful.

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Speaker 1: You're getting messages that the average person might not see.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

621
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just telling you that.

622
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: When we see someone who says I hate it here,

623
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: but they're constantly in our faces. She's paying people, right,

624
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: you don't just end up on a stage in front

625
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: of a thousand people who like you and have this

626
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: woman who's not really political. Tracy Ellis Ross is not.

627
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: She's on the left. Right, she's obviously on the left.

628
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: She does that in her television show Blackish. But Tracy

629
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: Ellis Ross is kind of you know, she's not out

630
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: at campaign events, but she's interviewing the former First Lady

631
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: and they're talking about hair. They're trying to make her relatable.

632
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: What she doesn't understand is for most of us, that's

633
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Speaker 2: not relatable. I actually laugh in natural hair when I

634
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: hear Michelle Obama talking about hair, because she has a

635
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Speaker 2: stylist who probably charge her eight hundred dollars an hour

636
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: to make her hair straight. And that's fine. I don't

637
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: begrudge her anything that she has. I just I'm kind

638
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: of tired of her complaining about it. When you have

639
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: that level of access where you can call any Hollywood

640
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: celebrity because they're all on the left, they're all her

641
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: best friends. When you can fly on a jet and

642
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: be anywhere you want in the world, and you know,

643
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: any amount of time when you could do anything you want,

644
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: and all you choose to do is complain, I'm like,

645
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: isn't there some shopping that needs to be done? Isn't

646
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: aren't there any chairs at your house that need to

647
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: be reupholstered. Shouldn't you be sitting with the designer and

648
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: paing out fabric, or maybe doing a new landscape plan

649
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: for the beach that you cordoned off from all the

650
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Speaker 2: regular people in on your property in Hawaii the Magnum

651
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: p I House. Don't you have something there that needs

652
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: remodeling or doing, or some people you could order around?

653
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Speaker 2: Maybe open up the house in Chicago. You haven't been

654
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Speaker 2: there in a while. Maybe open it up and go

655
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Speaker 2: host a party there. What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: What what all of us.

658
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: Want to entertain with a team? I want twenty five

659
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: people to do what I want and make my parties rock.

660
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: Instead I'm doing it myself. Bec I'm a regular person.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't you using any of these fun things? Like

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Speaker 2: she obviously has been working out with a trainer. Did

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Speaker 2: you see her legs in that shot?

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Speaker 3: I know, I was like a zep's a tricky thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who.

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Speaker 1: How did people get so thin so fast?

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Speaker 3: Amazing? So why not just go with that? I mean,

668
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Speaker 3: why are you still doing it? But there is a

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Speaker 3: glow up.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. She can say that this is

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Speaker 1: expected of her, but she is choosing a glow up

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Speaker 1: right now. And I'm saying from that standpoint of being

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Speaker 1: suddenly very physically fit. She is out there on the

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Speaker 1: front stage every and I didn't nobody. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: her hair is such an issue, why does she keep

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Speaker 1: doing it that way? Why doesn't she lead the trend

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Speaker 1: of doing her hair differently?

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's yes, exactly, So that's the other thing.

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Speaker 3: First, lady, she has the power to do that.

681
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: She could just have said I got so much flak

682
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: from wearing braids to try to protect my relaxed hair

683
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: that I went natural and so you should too, and

684
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: everybody would be on the bandwagon, and people like yourself

685
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, I realized this was an issue.

686
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: But she's leading the charge natural hair could be wrong with.

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Speaker 1: That because it could have been presented in a way

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Speaker 1: to make women go kind of like, oh my gosh, yes,

689
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Speaker 1: we're in this with you. This is the patriarchy.

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Speaker 3: We need to you know. She just has to jab

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Speaker 3: she was deeper. But there's so much to be in

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Speaker 3: common with.

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Speaker 2: Because when I sit around with my friends at lunch

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Speaker 2: and we start talking about hair, and most of my

695
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: friends are white, they're complaining about their hair in the

696
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: same way that I'm.

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00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: Complaining about my My hair is dry, I'm deep conditioning.

698
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: I've had some breakage, and they're like, oh, well, you know,

699
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Speaker 2: I go and get mine died and she got it

700
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Speaker 2: the wrong color and I'm like it looks good to me,

701
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: and They're like, no, I've been back twice to fix it.

702
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, did you get charged. So

703
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: we're complaining our skin, what are you using? I'm using

704
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: this peel I've been you know, we all share the

705
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: same dermatologist, oddly enough, so we we all go to

706
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: the same lady and we're all getting different things done,

707
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: and it's like this it's just women talking about how

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Speaker 2: hard it is to try to be presentable. And the

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Speaker 2: other part is if you're rich, if you're worth one

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, why don't you just throw on a

711
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: pair of really expensive like better than Lululemon or whatever

712
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: that is, some leggings, a good top, a ghost sit

713
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: outside with you like beer or you like tea or

714
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: whatever you like. Just go sit on one of your big, huge,

715
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: expansive ocean front decks. You have five properties to pick from.

716
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: Take a jet to one of your properties, go sit out,

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00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: snap your fingers, and whoever it is that your current

718
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: butler or cook will come, have them make you something,

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Speaker 2: and just enjoy your life. Like why are you complaining

720
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: to us? All of us have real problems, Like I

721
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: actually buy my own groceries and I pop my own gas.

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Speaker 2: I've been reveling and how cheap gases and how Porterhouse

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Speaker 2: steaks have come down about twenty percent, which is really

724
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Speaker 2: great because I make a mean Porterhouse steak and my

725
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: husband loves it, and I hate paying twenty eight dollars

726
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: per steak. It's really great to have them back down

727
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: to like nineteen bucks. So I'm I'm like, why don't

728
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Speaker 2: you just go do something rich people do?

729
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Speaker 1: Like there was some but that's a good point. She's

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Speaker 1: staying out there. She wants us to see her. I

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Speaker 1: love your insight there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm right, but I got the

733
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Speaker 2: sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because I've

734
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Speaker 2: always believed she's not running, and for the first time ever, ever,

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Speaker 2: since I've been doing any of this stuff, I feel

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Speaker 2: like she could be getting ready to run, Like I

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00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 2: feel like this is it's never been real before. Maybe

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Speaker 2: she just does this pr thing and then fades to

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Speaker 2: black and we can all take a sigh of relief.

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Speaker 2: But Democrats really want to recreate what they had with

741
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Speaker 2: the Obamas. Remember the hope and change. It was no

742
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Speaker 2: real message.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right, because I mean you are

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00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: right because they are flailing for a message right now.

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Speaker 1: If they can bring that feeling back, that nostalgia back,

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Speaker 1: and they have this powerful woman in that place, they

747
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Speaker 1: they hit, they kill multiple birds with one stone. I mean,

748
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Speaker 1: they're they're back in the game and they're.

749
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Speaker 2: Like anybody the memory of Kamala right because that was

750
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: such a disaster, and they can get Charlemagne back on board.

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00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: You know, he's been very critical, He was very very

752
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: critical of Kamala and he set her political careers over.

753
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: They can also squash that bug because you know, she's

754
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: still circling thinking maybe I should run one more time,

755
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: and the Democrats are like, no, because we still have

756
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: campaign debt from your last run. We're still paying you

757
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Speaker 2: off really honestly. So you know, Judter, we just have

758
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Speaker 2: to pray that the Lord will prevent like it's because

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00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: it's the Obama's the first time they were a curse

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00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: on us. They were a curse on our country and

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Speaker 2: the way they tried to convince us that horrible people.

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Speaker 2: And we survive that because Americans are very resilient. Our

763
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Speaker 2: country is resilient. But another four years or eight years

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Speaker 2: of Obama's constantly down talking us. The Obamas are that

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Speaker 2: person where if you lose thirty pounds, that person comes

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Speaker 2: up to you and says.

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Speaker 3: You look good, but you still have a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a poonch.

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Speaker 2: You know, you still have a little of a stomach,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, I've I just burned off thirty human

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Speaker 2: pounds and my body looks amazing. And everyone else is

772
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Speaker 2: like you look so good, and you look down You're like,

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Speaker 2: I barely see anything.

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Speaker 3: Do you see a stomach.

775
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 2: Now all day long, you're thinking about your stomach instead

776
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Speaker 2: of thinking about having lost thirty pounds. That's the Obama's

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00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: They will literally tell you what's wrong with you, even

778
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Speaker 2: when you're like at your highest moment.

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Speaker 3: We have Americans need more high moments, we.

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Speaker 1: Need They are the ultimate bullies. And I think when

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00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: you hear people talk about malicious empathy, this is what

782
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Do not sit in the corner and

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00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: feel bad for Michelle Obama because she has it.

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Speaker 3: Made she is.

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00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: This is a manipulation. This is how bullies work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is like a bad marriage. We're in with them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's exactly what it's like. Because in a

788
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: bad marriage, you never let go of the slights. In

789
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: a good marriage, you have to put things behind you

790
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: because you realize it's a long haul and your husband

791
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: is gonna make mistakes.

792
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: You're gonna make mistakes.

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00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: Thank God, my husband doesn't hold all my mistakes against me,

794
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: and so I therefore shouldn't hold heads against him.

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Speaker 3: I should let them go.

796
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: And sometimes you have to go without apologies, You have

797
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: to go without acknowledgements because you have kids to raise,

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00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: you have a business to run, You have whatever it

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00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: is that you are working on. If it's nothing but

800
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: just getting what are we having for dinner? My gosh,

801
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: we have to decide that every day. It's ridiculous how

802
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: we have to eat dinner every night and we have

803
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: to pick it so we you know, we we have

804
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: mountains to climb, we have dragons to slay, and the

805
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: Obamas won't let us be great. That's my problem. They're great,

806
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: They're worth millions of dollars. Why can't we be great, tutor?

807
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: Why can't we just like, why can't we just acknowledge

808
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: that our hair is no longer a big deal for

809
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: us as black women, that all old women sometimes wear

810
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: weaves and wigs, that we are all really we have so.

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Speaker 3: Much in common.

812
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: Like white women are not sitting up thinking about oppressing anybody.

813
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: They're thinking about their thighs and cellulite and creatine, which

814
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: is a new thing.

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Speaker 3: They're menopause, well, the menopause. They're thinking about grandkids.

816
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: You're thinking about, oh, my gosh, well will my children

817
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: ever get married and have grandkids? You're thinking about all

818
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: kinds of things, and we're thinking the same thing most

819
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: of us. As I will just speak for black women

820
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: who are on the right side of the political aisl

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00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: there are millions of us.

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Speaker 3: We're thinking about the same things. I have never once

823
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 3: gotten up and thought, oh, it's so hard, my hair

824
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: is so hard.

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00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: I've never thought that is the first thing out of

826
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: her mouth every time she speaks is about race or

827
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: hair or black people not being able to swim. That's

828
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: also that's not true anymore, it used to be true.

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00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: Now most elementary school programs in the South where this

830
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: was a problem have a swimming course that they offer

831
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: during the school year and in the summer to close

832
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: that gap. So it's like, what what decade is she

833
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: living in?

834
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Speaker 3: In America? Today?

835
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: Most black people can swim. Most black people choose the

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00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: hair that they want. Women and men wear the hairstyle

837
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: that they want. If you're on active duty, you do

838
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: have some different things that you have to abide. Bye,

839
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Speaker 2: But that is so you can serve the country.

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00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: And that is regardless of who you are. Also, I

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00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: mean men women were.

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00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: To no, no, they can't, and so everybody in the

843
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: military is subject to the same standard. So I I

844
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Speaker 2: just I ask, as you do, tutor, why is she

845
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: out here?

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00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 3: Why?

847
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: And we're going to have to figure it out because

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Speaker 2: if she runs, oh wow.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, But if she runs, I'm having

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Speaker 1: you back on because I love this conversation.

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Speaker 3: I love talking to you, Stacy, how much you are awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Great to be on your show.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's it's been a pleasure, honestly a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: It was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: And thank you all for listening to us at the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast. Remember to check us out on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts and

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Speaker 1: Rumble or YouTube, and make sure you join us next time.

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Speaker 3: As always, have a blessed day.