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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast and now

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Speaker 1: the second half of the baseball season. It's me Tom Berducci,

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Speaker 1: my good buddy, Joe Madden. Joe, how is your All

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Speaker 1: Star Break? Did you catch any of the game?

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Speaker 2: I did. I watched I think one or two rounds

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Speaker 2: of the home run derby. Then I just passed out

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Speaker 2: long day, and then I did watch the game up

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Speaker 2: until in the latter part. That was a day of

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Speaker 2: our golf tournament to try not to suck in the

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Speaker 2: Valley Golf tournament here at the Valley Country Club. So

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Speaker 2: it was great and mistakenly, I guess during my opening remarks,

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Speaker 2: I invited everybody over my house afterwards if you'd like

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Speaker 2: to have a beer and watch the game, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of people took me up on that, so, wow,

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Speaker 2: did you have enough beer? We did? We have, like

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Speaker 2: I got the k greater working now and we had

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Speaker 2: a nice half of Corona Premiere. Everybody loved it, watched

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Speaker 2: the game. They eventually everybody left and I just passed up,

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Speaker 2: so I didn't see the rest of that. But it

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Speaker 2: was a great day. Enjoy the game. I did enjoy

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Speaker 2: the game. I like a lot of what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 2: So it was a very positive.

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Speaker 3: Day party at Joe's. I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's going to happen again next year. Folks find out

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Speaker 2: when they're trying not to suck in the valley golf

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Speaker 2: tournament is end up at my pad afterwards.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Well, Joe, you know that.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of just it's a mental and physical break,

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Speaker 1: the All Star break for mostly everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's such a long season.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like making the turn after nine holes, right,

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Speaker 1: you get a fresh start.

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Speaker 3: If things are going good, you feel refreshed.

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Speaker 1: If things are going bad, well, you need that kind

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Speaker 1: of recalibration to start anew. So it's a good time

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Speaker 1: to take a stock of the season and what I

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Speaker 1: want to do and talk to you about something that

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Speaker 1: you know really well about, and that is when you

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Speaker 1: take a losing team and make that team a winner.

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Speaker 3: So we're at that point in the.

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Speaker 1: Season where we've got some teams coming off losing seasons

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Speaker 1: it might happen for them, It's happened. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into those teams and decide whether

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Speaker 1: therefore real or not. First off, Joe, I want to

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Speaker 1: give you some numbers here. We talk about trends, all right.

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Speaker 1: If I gave you a trend stat in baseball that

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Speaker 1: twenty eight years, you'd say it's a pretty big sample size, right,

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Speaker 1: So what I'm talking about is teams that have a

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Speaker 1: since we've had the wildcard folks, essentially every year, twenty

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Speaker 1: one I call them turnaround teams in the postseason. And

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Speaker 1: in those twenty eight years, we've had sixty four such teams.

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Speaker 1: So that's an average of slightly more than two per year.

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Speaker 1: So this is where the game is. You can turn

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Speaker 1: turnaround teams, Joe Madden has two of those two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight Rays, they came off of sixty six and

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Speaker 1: establish it. At this point of the next season, did

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean one of the Wayne Dyer background hit

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Speaker 2: The two thousand and eight rays, I mean, we've talked

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Speaker 2: that was the message there. And then two thousand and fifteen,

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Speaker 2: But we had that one kind of lynchpin there, getting

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought up the point that with

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Speaker 1: weathering the season if you will, first half is just that,

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Speaker 1: it's a first half. Do you have what it takes

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Speaker 1: And that's starting with the Texas Rangers. Texas Rangers last

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Speaker 1: almost forty percent changed managers. And that includes you, Joe

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Speaker 1: And I gotta believe Joe, the Bruce Bochi has made

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is true, and there's a great impact

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Speaker 2: can't be made by a manager. I know that's kind

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Speaker 2: I've said it, and I know this. If I'm in

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Speaker 2: to be in charge of that team because they'll try

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Speaker 2: I know, his the way he converses, he's yes, like

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Speaker 2: And this track record speaks for itself. So all these

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Speaker 2: little the little nuance of all of this really connected

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Speaker 2: It's the personality, it's the experience, is the wisdom of

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Speaker 2: a big part of the turnaround.

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Speaker 1: I like everything they done in Texas, even you know,

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Speaker 1: Future Hall of Fame manager Chris Young running that organization

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Speaker 1: has done a great job. Brought in Mike Maddox as

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Speaker 2: So it's no coincidence with all that. I'm certain that

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Speaker 3: Do you believe in the Miami Marlins? Be right back

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Speaker 3: all right, Joe, talk about turnaround teams.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's been a bigger surprise than the

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sold them what I've seen to this point.

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Speaker 1: And you've seen this if you watch the Marlins play.

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Speaker 2: You said two things that already written down. They're winning

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Speaker 2: They look at their record. They got to do it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're sitting here with the odds of making the postseason.

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Speaker 2: We eventually got back to five hundred, like in the

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00:21:02,358 --> 00:21:05,718
Speaker 2: low like sixty four and six for whatever, something like that,

432
00:21:06,238 --> 00:21:07,878
Speaker 2: but then you ran out of gas. Man, it's not

433
00:21:07,958 --> 00:21:10,838
Speaker 2: easy to do that mentally and physically every day, especially

434
00:21:10,838 --> 00:21:13,198
Speaker 2: in the latter part of the season. So even while

435
00:21:13,238 --> 00:21:14,838
Speaker 2: you're doing this or trying to do this, I still

436
00:21:14,838 --> 00:21:18,038
Speaker 2: think it's important to be aware of resting people on

437
00:21:18,078 --> 00:21:21,838
Speaker 2: occasion because if you eventually, you know, burn that candle

438
00:21:22,238 --> 00:21:25,958
Speaker 2: too hotly, not just brightly, but hotly, eventually it goes away.

439
00:21:26,158 --> 00:21:28,398
Speaker 2: And so that would be my concern with those two

440
00:21:28,478 --> 00:21:30,598
Speaker 2: teams that they have not played well enough now to

441
00:21:30,678 --> 00:21:32,838
Speaker 2: this point to think you're just going to flip this

442
00:21:33,278 --> 00:21:36,038
Speaker 2: baseball switch and all of a sudden play like, I

443
00:21:36,038 --> 00:21:38,398
Speaker 2: don't know, twenty five games over five hundred the rest

444
00:21:38,438 --> 00:21:39,678
Speaker 2: of the year. That's not easy. Brother.

445
00:21:39,958 --> 00:21:42,158
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this about the Marlins too, Joe,

446
00:21:42,198 --> 00:21:45,438
Speaker 1: that I think Kim Ang and that front office there

447
00:21:45,478 --> 00:21:47,198
Speaker 1: they need to make a deal here. Sure, you know

448
00:21:47,198 --> 00:21:49,798
Speaker 1: it's not the fans and even the players in the clubhouse,

449
00:21:49,798 --> 00:21:53,198
Speaker 1: they're not used to the Marlins adding. But these opportunities

450
00:21:53,238 --> 00:21:55,838
Speaker 1: are golden right, and no matter what you plan for

451
00:21:55,878 --> 00:21:58,558
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three season, you're sitting in playoff position.

452
00:21:58,798 --> 00:22:00,998
Speaker 3: You have to take advantage of that. We mentioned the

453
00:22:01,038 --> 00:22:01,638
Speaker 3: young pitching.

454
00:22:01,678 --> 00:22:04,238
Speaker 1: I would like to see them at a veteran arm

455
00:22:04,278 --> 00:22:06,558
Speaker 1: in that rotation, maybe even add a little bit of

456
00:22:06,598 --> 00:22:08,398
Speaker 1: help for AJ Puck at the back of the bullpen.

457
00:22:08,478 --> 00:22:09,158
Speaker 3: Whatever it is.

458
00:22:09,278 --> 00:22:13,878
Speaker 1: I think that team needs to establish and send a message. Besides,

459
00:22:13,918 --> 00:22:17,758
Speaker 1: that more importantly gives some veteran innings here to add

460
00:22:17,758 --> 00:22:20,598
Speaker 1: to this rotation, to go out and make a deal

461
00:22:20,638 --> 00:22:21,518
Speaker 1: with the deadline here.

462
00:22:21,918 --> 00:22:24,798
Speaker 3: I know that's part of today's game. You know, I've seen.

463
00:22:24,638 --> 00:22:27,318
Speaker 1: Teams that have not really added on and they feel

464
00:22:27,318 --> 00:22:31,638
Speaker 1: like they're losing ground. So it's almost expected by today's

465
00:22:31,678 --> 00:22:34,918
Speaker 1: players and the fans to add on if you get

466
00:22:34,918 --> 00:22:36,078
Speaker 1: to this point.

467
00:22:35,918 --> 00:22:39,438
Speaker 2: Agreed, I mean, it does something to the clubhouse. It

468
00:22:39,478 --> 00:22:43,638
Speaker 2: definitely creates a stir. There's a believability among the group

469
00:22:44,398 --> 00:22:46,278
Speaker 2: in the in the in the clubhouse that really the

470
00:22:46,518 --> 00:22:48,958
Speaker 2: front office is paying attention to us, they really care

471
00:22:48,998 --> 00:22:51,038
Speaker 2: about us, and they're trying to make these specific moves.

472
00:22:51,358 --> 00:22:53,198
Speaker 2: Whether anybody agrees with that or not, it's just true.

473
00:22:53,278 --> 00:22:56,118
Speaker 2: That's that's the vibe that occurs. Last point. The young

474
00:22:56,158 --> 00:22:57,678
Speaker 2: picture's name for the Marlins once again.

475
00:22:57,718 --> 00:22:59,958
Speaker 3: His name is I'm sorry, Jori Perez.

476
00:23:00,118 --> 00:23:02,798
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, twenty years old, right, I mean, and

477
00:23:02,998 --> 00:23:05,678
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, we're always worried about guys getting hurt.

478
00:23:05,678 --> 00:23:07,918
Speaker 2: And I know he hasn't pitched that much. But I

479
00:23:07,958 --> 00:23:10,118
Speaker 2: know that Doc Gooden was that age. I know Jimmy

480
00:23:10,118 --> 00:23:11,918
Speaker 2: Palmer was that age. I know it's a different era.

481
00:23:12,078 --> 00:23:14,398
Speaker 2: I get it. But we're always worried about guys getting hurt,

482
00:23:14,398 --> 00:23:17,038
Speaker 2: and they get hurt anyway, Strasburg being kept out that

483
00:23:17,118 --> 00:23:19,798
Speaker 2: one year. Eventually they got their world series. But I

484
00:23:19,798 --> 00:23:21,678
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I have a hard time

485
00:23:21,678 --> 00:23:23,238
Speaker 2: with that. I don't know the kid, I know nothing

486
00:23:23,238 --> 00:23:25,438
Speaker 2: about him. I didn't see him pitch. I don't know anything.

487
00:23:25,558 --> 00:23:29,078
Speaker 2: But if he's that good and and I've heard that,

488
00:23:29,118 --> 00:23:32,478
Speaker 2: and I know you're talking about at some point, I

489
00:23:32,478 --> 00:23:34,638
Speaker 2: don't even know are they Are they talking about bringing

490
00:23:34,718 --> 00:23:36,278
Speaker 2: him back orre they kind of shutting him down for

491
00:23:36,318 --> 00:23:38,078
Speaker 2: the year. What's what's the game plan with that?

492
00:23:38,678 --> 00:23:40,478
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think he's coming back, Joe.

493
00:23:40,598 --> 00:23:42,838
Speaker 1: I think they built this in for the season, no

494
00:23:42,918 --> 00:23:45,078
Speaker 1: matter where they were in the standings that you know

495
00:23:45,118 --> 00:23:46,878
Speaker 1: you weren't going to run the kid out there thirty

496
00:23:46,918 --> 00:23:49,078
Speaker 1: times and run up two hundred innings. Nobody's going to

497
00:23:49,158 --> 00:23:51,798
Speaker 1: do that. So give him a breather in the middle

498
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:54,678
Speaker 1: of the season. I think it's a smart thing. Give

499
00:23:54,718 --> 00:23:56,278
Speaker 1: him an extra day arrest when you have it down

500
00:23:56,278 --> 00:23:59,438
Speaker 1: the stretch. But I'm with you. I've watched this kid pitch.

501
00:23:59,478 --> 00:24:02,278
Speaker 1: It's a very athletic, clean delivery. He's not a max

502
00:24:02,318 --> 00:24:06,438
Speaker 1: effort guy. Yes, he's young, but you know, don't treat

503
00:24:06,438 --> 00:24:11,198
Speaker 1: everybody the same. If he starts to show some real fatigue,

504
00:24:11,398 --> 00:24:14,278
Speaker 1: sure that's different, then you may have to shut him down.

505
00:24:14,718 --> 00:24:18,358
Speaker 1: But without signs of fatigue here, I like being proactive. Again,

506
00:24:18,438 --> 00:24:20,358
Speaker 1: you need to. You can't run him out there thirty

507
00:24:20,358 --> 00:24:23,438
Speaker 1: two times I get that, but I want this guy

508
00:24:23,438 --> 00:24:25,478
Speaker 1: in my rotation if I'm the Marlins, and in the

509
00:24:25,518 --> 00:24:27,918
Speaker 1: last certainly the last month of the season, say the

510
00:24:27,998 --> 00:24:30,118
Speaker 1: last eight weeks, seven eight weeks, so.

511
00:24:30,118 --> 00:24:31,278
Speaker 3: I think they're doing the right thing.

512
00:24:31,478 --> 00:24:34,358
Speaker 1: Back off a little bit here, you know, keep sharp

513
00:24:34,358 --> 00:24:36,838
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues by limiting some pitch counts there,

514
00:24:37,278 --> 00:24:40,958
Speaker 1: and then let him run once he comes back again,

515
00:24:40,998 --> 00:24:42,438
Speaker 1: maybe the last seven eight weeks.

516
00:24:42,758 --> 00:24:44,758
Speaker 2: So the think that my concer would be also the

517
00:24:44,758 --> 00:24:46,398
Speaker 2: fact the layoff is he going to be as sharp?

518
00:24:46,478 --> 00:24:47,558
Speaker 2: Is how long is it going to take him to

519
00:24:47,598 --> 00:24:50,198
Speaker 2: get back up and running. I know they probably did

520
00:24:50,278 --> 00:24:52,638
Speaker 2: not expect themselves to be in this position, so for me,

521
00:24:52,678 --> 00:24:54,358
Speaker 2: the better way would have been to hold him out

522
00:24:54,358 --> 00:24:55,558
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the year and just let him

523
00:24:55,598 --> 00:24:57,958
Speaker 2: run towards the end. But I'm certain that that was

524
00:24:57,998 --> 00:25:00,838
Speaker 2: not part of their overarching plan. In the beginning. They

525
00:25:00,838 --> 00:25:05,198
Speaker 2: didn't see all this happening. And even and even if

526
00:25:05,678 --> 00:25:07,878
Speaker 2: he is there now, just say in he's part of

527
00:25:07,918 --> 00:25:11,278
Speaker 2: the rotations, to skip them once in a while. You know,

528
00:25:11,518 --> 00:25:13,718
Speaker 2: there's different ways to do this. I mean, when you

529
00:25:13,798 --> 00:25:16,598
Speaker 2: just shut somebody down and expect the same kind of

530
00:25:16,598 --> 00:25:19,078
Speaker 2: results when he comes back. Listen, I hope he does.

531
00:25:19,198 --> 00:25:21,918
Speaker 2: Don't know him. I love everything I'm hearing, but these

532
00:25:21,958 --> 00:25:23,718
Speaker 2: are the kind of concerns I would have if I

533
00:25:23,758 --> 00:25:26,038
Speaker 2: was sitting in that room, because the assumption is just

534
00:25:26,078 --> 00:25:29,078
Speaker 2: by resting him it's going to be all good. And

535
00:25:29,758 --> 00:25:31,678
Speaker 2: I've already talked Tobi. I'm an advocate of rest, but

536
00:25:31,718 --> 00:25:34,398
Speaker 2: when he turned long term rest almost like an injury,

537
00:25:34,398 --> 00:25:36,998
Speaker 2: and bringing somebody back, you're not one hundred percent certain

538
00:25:36,998 --> 00:25:39,238
Speaker 2: what it's going to look like. So I get it

539
00:25:39,278 --> 00:25:41,638
Speaker 2: in a sense, but I also think there's other ways

540
00:25:41,638 --> 00:25:45,278
Speaker 2: to do this, and I am not as concerned with

541
00:25:45,478 --> 00:25:50,158
Speaker 2: injury prevention in this regard. In this way, I think

542
00:25:50,198 --> 00:25:52,518
Speaker 2: there's other ways to do it. I'm not in charge,

543
00:25:52,518 --> 00:25:56,198
Speaker 2: it's not my money, but I think they have a shot,

544
00:25:56,558 --> 00:25:58,838
Speaker 2: and if this guy's going to make that kind of difference,

545
00:25:59,198 --> 00:26:01,278
Speaker 2: I'd get him back sooner rather than later and then

546
00:26:01,318 --> 00:26:03,038
Speaker 2: try to figure it out in season.

547
00:26:03,438 --> 00:26:07,798
Speaker 1: Okay, team number three in our four teams turning it

548
00:26:07,838 --> 00:26:11,158
Speaker 1: around from losing records to a postseason position this year.

549
00:26:11,518 --> 00:26:15,238
Speaker 3: The Arizona Diamondbacks. You talk about adding pitching.

550
00:26:15,278 --> 00:26:17,558
Speaker 1: When I look at the d Backs, Joe, you know

551
00:26:17,718 --> 00:26:19,958
Speaker 1: they're twenty second and starter's era.

552
00:26:20,158 --> 00:26:21,918
Speaker 3: They're great at the front of the rotation.

553
00:26:22,038 --> 00:26:25,798
Speaker 1: They've got Zach Gallon and Merril Kelly and actually Tommy

554
00:26:25,878 --> 00:26:28,398
Speaker 1: Henry lefty out of the University of Michigan, has done

555
00:26:28,438 --> 00:26:32,758
Speaker 1: a nice job. Those three starters are twenty five and

556
00:26:32,878 --> 00:26:35,718
Speaker 1: eight for the d Backs. But when you get to

557
00:26:35,758 --> 00:26:40,758
Speaker 1: the four and five spots six and seventeen, so the

558
00:26:40,838 --> 00:26:43,078
Speaker 1: d Backs two and a half games.

559
00:26:42,878 --> 00:26:47,278
Speaker 3: Up in a wild card Berth of the break Listen,

560
00:26:47,358 --> 00:26:49,358
Speaker 3: I love watching this team play, Joe.

561
00:26:49,398 --> 00:26:52,638
Speaker 1: I mean, you watch the d Backs play, it's like

562
00:26:52,638 --> 00:26:56,038
Speaker 1: the old Milrose games, like running on the boards at

563
00:26:56,118 --> 00:26:57,078
Speaker 1: Madison Square Guard.

564
00:26:57,198 --> 00:26:59,638
Speaker 3: They run, they run, and they run.

565
00:26:59,958 --> 00:27:03,638
Speaker 1: They pressure you throughout and on defense they so athletic,

566
00:27:03,638 --> 00:27:06,518
Speaker 1: they can so much ground. So they're a fun team

567
00:27:06,558 --> 00:27:09,198
Speaker 1: to watch. I like their style of play. By the way,

568
00:27:09,198 --> 00:27:11,398
Speaker 1: the rules have really brought back that style of play

569
00:27:11,438 --> 00:27:13,278
Speaker 1: more than we've seen in a long time, which is

570
00:27:13,318 --> 00:27:13,918
Speaker 1: really cool.

571
00:27:15,238 --> 00:27:17,838
Speaker 3: But I do think with a bullpen that's been used

572
00:27:17,878 --> 00:27:21,918
Speaker 3: a lot, that the d Bacs could use some help

573
00:27:21,918 --> 00:27:24,078
Speaker 3: here in the rotation more than anything else.

574
00:27:24,758 --> 00:27:27,758
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, absolutely, it sounds that way, and well it's

575
00:27:28,278 --> 00:27:30,198
Speaker 2: I know there's going to be some guys available, and

576
00:27:30,438 --> 00:27:33,438
Speaker 2: who knows because the guys that are available, obviously there's

577
00:27:33,438 --> 00:27:35,478
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of bidding among the other teams

578
00:27:35,478 --> 00:27:38,558
Speaker 2: that feel like they're in contention too. But yes, I

579
00:27:38,558 --> 00:27:40,598
Speaker 2: love the style of play, no question. It is the

580
00:27:40,638 --> 00:27:43,278
Speaker 2: style of play that I've always embraced from the time

581
00:27:43,278 --> 00:27:45,358
Speaker 2: they began doing this as a coach in nineteen eighty

582
00:27:45,358 --> 00:27:47,598
Speaker 2: one up until present times. I really believe that's the

583
00:27:47,598 --> 00:27:51,398
Speaker 2: way to play baseball. You want it all. I wanted it all.

584
00:27:51,398 --> 00:27:53,478
Speaker 2: I wanted power, I wanted speed. I wanted guys to

585
00:27:53,558 --> 00:27:55,718
Speaker 2: not strike out. I wanted guys to accept their walks.

586
00:27:56,118 --> 00:27:57,878
Speaker 2: I wanted action on the basis I want to put

587
00:27:57,878 --> 00:28:00,718
Speaker 2: pressure on the depense. I want pitchers. You got to

588
00:28:00,758 --> 00:28:02,798
Speaker 2: have some guys that can mispatch in the strike zone.

589
00:28:03,158 --> 00:28:06,278
Speaker 2: I still want the down shift. They got the guy

590
00:28:06,278 --> 00:28:08,158
Speaker 2: that puts the ball on the ground. I like an

591
00:28:08,198 --> 00:28:12,278
Speaker 2: experienced bullpen, primarily if and and sprinkle with maybe a

592
00:28:12,318 --> 00:28:14,558
Speaker 2: couple of really strong arms. There's all these different things

593
00:28:14,558 --> 00:28:17,238
Speaker 2: that you like. I like and uh, at the end

594
00:28:17,238 --> 00:28:18,678
Speaker 2: of the at the end of the season, when you

595
00:28:18,718 --> 00:28:21,398
Speaker 2: I think you get that kind of a method of play.

596
00:28:21,798 --> 00:28:24,598
Speaker 2: And again, it's always about pitching. A defense, I think.

597
00:28:25,038 --> 00:28:27,838
Speaker 2: But when you can bind that really assertive method of play,

598
00:28:28,558 --> 00:28:30,598
Speaker 2: I promise you, man, when you when you show up

599
00:28:30,638 --> 00:28:33,558
Speaker 2: in town or you go to somebody's hometown or they

600
00:28:33,558 --> 00:28:36,558
Speaker 2: come to you and they have that pre series meeting, man,

601
00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:39,998
Speaker 2: it is it is. Uh there there's so many things

602
00:28:39,998 --> 00:28:43,238
Speaker 2: to discuss, and it confuses I talked about Brian, Brian

603
00:28:43,278 --> 00:28:45,038
Speaker 2: Butterfield that him as a coach. He talked to me

604
00:28:45,078 --> 00:28:47,438
Speaker 2: about when he's with Toronto and the and the and

605
00:28:47,478 --> 00:28:49,638
Speaker 2: the race came to town and what we did and

606
00:28:49,678 --> 00:28:51,838
Speaker 2: the prep for it and how that really bothered them.

607
00:28:51,918 --> 00:28:55,078
Speaker 2: It's true when I worked as the I was pretty

608
00:28:55,118 --> 00:28:58,078
Speaker 2: much the defensive guy with the Angels for many years.

609
00:28:58,158 --> 00:29:00,558
Speaker 2: And you know, during the moneyball era, prepping for them

610
00:29:00,598 --> 00:29:02,198
Speaker 2: was the easiest thing in the world to do. They

611
00:29:02,198 --> 00:29:04,358
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. So I mean, if it wasn't for

612
00:29:04,398 --> 00:29:07,238
Speaker 2: their three starting pitchers that they're pitching in general, that

613
00:29:07,318 --> 00:29:11,758
Speaker 2: moneyball moniker would mean nothing because the accepting of walks whatever,

614
00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:14,398
Speaker 2: high on base percentage stuff. They had a pitch like

615
00:29:14,438 --> 00:29:17,518
Speaker 2: they did. But to prep against that team from a

616
00:29:17,598 --> 00:29:20,478
Speaker 2: defensive perspective was very easy. So and when you had

617
00:29:20,478 --> 00:29:22,118
Speaker 2: to play against somebody that gave you a lot to

618
00:29:22,118 --> 00:29:25,038
Speaker 2: think about. It really does split concentration, and their works

619
00:29:25,038 --> 00:29:28,118
Speaker 2: in your favor. So that's what they're doing. They're splitting concentration.

620
00:29:28,198 --> 00:29:29,718
Speaker 2: It's working in their favor and I love it.

621
00:29:29,998 --> 00:29:33,638
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was laughing when you mentioned the moneyball a's

622
00:29:33,718 --> 00:29:35,758
Speaker 1: Back in the day. I remember talking to an infielder

623
00:29:35,798 --> 00:29:38,478
Speaker 1: who said it was easy to play them. Their third

624
00:29:38,478 --> 00:29:42,478
Speaker 1: base coach never even gave signs, so at an infielder,

625
00:29:42,518 --> 00:29:45,838
Speaker 1: you'd never worried about, you know, the runner starting from

626
00:29:45,838 --> 00:29:48,878
Speaker 1: first base and the d Backs complete opposite.

627
00:29:49,238 --> 00:29:50,478
Speaker 2: Let's I just got to tell you this. I mean

628
00:29:50,518 --> 00:29:52,438
Speaker 2: because Ronnie W. Washington was a third base coach and

629
00:29:52,518 --> 00:29:55,798
Speaker 2: I would watch every sign every third base coach did

630
00:29:55,918 --> 00:29:58,318
Speaker 2: every day, every game, and I used to be able

631
00:29:58,318 --> 00:30:00,038
Speaker 2: to pick it up sometimes. And I'm here to tell

632
00:30:00,038 --> 00:30:01,758
Speaker 2: you I watched him for a year and a half

633
00:30:01,878 --> 00:30:03,798
Speaker 2: until he finally put a hit and run sign on.

634
00:30:04,398 --> 00:30:07,558
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you he never touched his left chest

635
00:30:07,638 --> 00:30:11,758
Speaker 2: first ever until that one moment. I have to confirm

636
00:30:11,798 --> 00:30:12,998
Speaker 2: that with him to.

637
00:30:13,158 --> 00:30:16,198
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're on your toes when you play the Diamondbacks.

638
00:30:16,438 --> 00:30:19,958
Speaker 1: And you know I mentioned pitching, and I think the

639
00:30:19,998 --> 00:30:22,238
Speaker 1: Cubs are going to put Marcus Stroman on the market.

640
00:30:22,438 --> 00:30:24,358
Speaker 1: It's not to say they're giving up on the season,

641
00:30:24,438 --> 00:30:25,678
Speaker 1: but he has an opt out at the end of

642
00:30:25,718 --> 00:30:27,318
Speaker 1: the year. You have to put him out there at

643
00:30:27,398 --> 00:30:30,158
Speaker 1: least see in this market, which is a seller's market,

644
00:30:30,758 --> 00:30:33,438
Speaker 1: what you might get in return. It doesn't again mean

645
00:30:33,478 --> 00:30:36,078
Speaker 1: you're you're punting the season. You're trying to get better

646
00:30:36,118 --> 00:30:40,198
Speaker 1: and stay in the race. A guy like Stroman. Jack

647
00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:43,078
Speaker 1: Flaherty is starting to throw the ball well for the Cardinals.

648
00:30:42,638 --> 00:30:45,518
Speaker 3: He's in play. You want Jordan Montgomery.

649
00:30:45,918 --> 00:30:48,878
Speaker 1: I would maybe go with Flarity over Montgomery, But either way,

650
00:30:48,998 --> 00:30:50,758
Speaker 1: either one of those guys, those are kind of guys

651
00:30:50,758 --> 00:30:54,038
Speaker 1: I'm talking about for Arizona, Joe, guys who can you know,

652
00:30:54,758 --> 00:30:57,078
Speaker 1: you know, they'll they'll give you innings, they'll keep you

653
00:30:57,118 --> 00:31:01,518
Speaker 1: in ball games, they'll solidify that rotation. Gallon is just

654
00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:03,798
Speaker 1: so good. I mean, he's going to win the Cy

655
00:31:03,998 --> 00:31:05,838
Speaker 1: Young Award. You saw him at the All Star Game.

656
00:31:05,878 --> 00:31:08,398
Speaker 1: Get the start his first All Star Game. He starts

657
00:31:08,438 --> 00:31:12,158
Speaker 1: the game. Merril Kelly has just been terrific. So you

658
00:31:12,198 --> 00:31:15,198
Speaker 1: give me one more starter there, and yeah, I've got

659
00:31:15,238 --> 00:31:16,438
Speaker 1: Arizona in the postseason.

660
00:31:16,638 --> 00:31:18,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Flowerty I'm telling you what A couple

661
00:31:18,318 --> 00:31:19,998
Speaker 2: of years ago, I thought this guy was like it.

662
00:31:20,238 --> 00:31:23,558
Speaker 2: I mean, he's great athlete. He used to when the hitters,

663
00:31:23,758 --> 00:31:26,398
Speaker 2: pitchers hit, he'd get on base and steel bases. This

664
00:31:26,438 --> 00:31:28,998
Speaker 2: guy was that good of an athlete. Game would begin.

665
00:31:29,238 --> 00:31:31,758
Speaker 2: I mean, after you watch the first I don't know

666
00:31:31,798 --> 00:31:33,838
Speaker 2: ten pitches, you knew were you were gonna be in

667
00:31:33,838 --> 00:31:36,238
Speaker 2: trouble that day. He is that good. He was that good.

668
00:31:36,238 --> 00:31:38,118
Speaker 2: I know he went away. I saw some of the

669
00:31:38,158 --> 00:31:41,638
Speaker 2: recent outings. It still looked like his armstrokers command isn't

670
00:31:41,638 --> 00:31:44,078
Speaker 2: completely where it needs to be. I like Montgomery. I

671
00:31:44,158 --> 00:31:46,398
Speaker 2: like Jordan Montgomery. I like the way pitches and in

672
00:31:46,478 --> 00:31:49,118
Speaker 2: that division. I'd have to really analyze the left handed,

673
00:31:49,838 --> 00:31:52,998
Speaker 2: left handedness of that division and how it works. Although

674
00:31:53,038 --> 00:31:54,958
Speaker 2: he's able to get outrightings too with some of the

675
00:31:54,958 --> 00:31:57,518
Speaker 2: stuff that he does. But I really like Stroman right now.

676
00:31:57,518 --> 00:32:00,878
Speaker 2: I've been watching him. I've never saw him good in person,

677
00:32:00,918 --> 00:32:03,238
Speaker 2: but I'm seeing him really good on TV. And in

678
00:32:03,278 --> 00:32:05,238
Speaker 2: a place like Arizona where he could put the ball

679
00:32:05,278 --> 00:32:07,318
Speaker 2: on the ground that could be very useful also, So

680
00:32:07,958 --> 00:32:10,158
Speaker 2: i'd have to rank him. I'd go with Stroman first

681
00:32:10,198 --> 00:32:12,958
Speaker 2: personally from what I've seen and what I know. I

682
00:32:13,078 --> 00:32:15,478
Speaker 2: like Flaherty, but I would need I would really fall

683
00:32:15,518 --> 00:32:19,158
Speaker 2: them closely between now and the time the trade deadline

684
00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:23,318
Speaker 2: is exhausted. And then Montgomery. I'm a fan. I like him.

685
00:32:23,598 --> 00:32:28,438
Speaker 1: Arizona Diamondbacks have a sixty seven percent chance of reaching

686
00:32:28,518 --> 00:32:31,838
Speaker 1: the postseason, so they're in a good position here whether

687
00:32:31,838 --> 00:32:34,278
Speaker 1: the Dodgers catch them or not to win the division.

688
00:32:34,638 --> 00:32:36,478
Speaker 3: I like Arizona in the postseason.

689
00:32:36,518 --> 00:32:40,238
Speaker 1: We've got one more team to talk about, and their

690
00:32:40,318 --> 00:32:45,358
Speaker 1: percentage actually is below fifty percent. The Cincinnati Reds forty

691
00:32:45,438 --> 00:32:48,758
Speaker 1: three percent. Should that be higher, We'll talk about them

692
00:32:48,838 --> 00:33:03,078
Speaker 1: and we get back the Cincinnati read You talk about

693
00:33:03,118 --> 00:33:06,558
Speaker 1: fun teams to oh my goodness, I mean it starts

694
00:33:06,598 --> 00:33:10,798
Speaker 1: with Elie de la Cruz. He's just a fascinating player.

695
00:33:10,918 --> 00:33:13,878
Speaker 1: First of all, the Reds since he was called up

696
00:33:13,918 --> 00:33:16,438
Speaker 1: are twenty to and eight. And I think it's not

697
00:33:16,478 --> 00:33:20,078
Speaker 1: only because he is so special, but he's lifted this

698
00:33:20,118 --> 00:33:22,398
Speaker 1: team with the energy, the way he plays the game.

699
00:33:22,478 --> 00:33:26,758
Speaker 1: He's six foot five, he's the fastest player in baseball.

700
00:33:27,158 --> 00:33:28,918
Speaker 1: He can play in the middle of the infield. They're

701
00:33:28,998 --> 00:33:33,398
Speaker 1: literally has never been a player like De la Cruz.

702
00:33:33,438 --> 00:33:36,598
Speaker 1: I'm talking about at that height, at that speed, with

703
00:33:36,758 --> 00:33:39,798
Speaker 1: middle infield skills. His first thirty games, he had more

704
00:33:39,838 --> 00:33:43,678
Speaker 1: stolen bases and total bases than anybody in the history

705
00:33:43,678 --> 00:33:47,798
Speaker 1: of the game. I mean, so when I mentioned the

706
00:33:47,878 --> 00:33:51,358
Speaker 1: charts have the Reds at forty three percent, I think

707
00:33:51,398 --> 00:33:53,478
Speaker 1: a lot of that Joe is based on the way

708
00:33:53,518 --> 00:33:56,518
Speaker 1: they started this season and the entirety of the first half.

709
00:33:56,518 --> 00:33:59,358
Speaker 1: But they're a different team in their last thirty games

710
00:33:59,358 --> 00:34:00,158
Speaker 1: with de la Cruz.

711
00:34:00,478 --> 00:34:02,558
Speaker 2: Well, is that based on the fact that they feels

712
00:34:02,598 --> 00:34:05,198
Speaker 2: they have to win the division in order to get there?

713
00:34:05,638 --> 00:34:08,318
Speaker 1: It does look that way, I would say, but I

714
00:34:08,438 --> 00:34:10,958
Speaker 1: like their odds. I mean, they're also a team against

715
00:34:11,158 --> 00:34:13,638
Speaker 1: winning teams. They're twenty one and twenty three, which is

716
00:34:13,678 --> 00:34:16,758
Speaker 1: not terrible. But if you want to look for the

717
00:34:16,798 --> 00:34:18,958
Speaker 1: downside in the Reds and why their number might not

718
00:34:19,038 --> 00:34:22,878
Speaker 1: be higher in terms of postseason percentage, their starters are

719
00:34:22,918 --> 00:34:26,078
Speaker 1: twenty eighth in the Major League, so twenty and twenty

720
00:34:26,118 --> 00:34:28,598
Speaker 1: six with a five to six nine, and they've thrown

721
00:34:28,598 --> 00:34:33,558
Speaker 1: the seventh fewest innings in baseball, So I think, can

722
00:34:33,598 --> 00:34:36,558
Speaker 1: you hit your way and in that ballpark with their offense,

723
00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:38,958
Speaker 1: they got plenty of offense. Can you hit your way

724
00:34:38,998 --> 00:34:41,518
Speaker 1: to the postseason and win? What it is, Let's face it,

725
00:34:41,558 --> 00:34:42,678
Speaker 1: a fairly weak division.

726
00:34:43,118 --> 00:34:45,758
Speaker 2: Now that's legitimate when you just talked about it's not

727
00:34:45,838 --> 00:34:47,398
Speaker 2: easy to hit your way to the division. But that

728
00:34:47,478 --> 00:34:50,758
Speaker 2: ballpark is the ballpark you want to hit in great

729
00:34:50,758 --> 00:34:53,958
Speaker 2: American ballpark. The ball flies there. It's almost like playing

730
00:34:54,078 --> 00:34:56,598
Speaker 2: in Colorado. The way the ball leaves that ballpark. It's

731
00:34:56,598 --> 00:34:59,958
Speaker 2: small on the right field side. You got to talk

732
00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:01,918
Speaker 2: it a little bit to left central and center field,

733
00:35:01,998 --> 00:35:05,998
Speaker 2: but it'll go down both lines, especially right field side.

734
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:09,438
Speaker 2: I've always I've always talking about pitching a defense, and

735
00:35:10,478 --> 00:35:13,398
Speaker 2: you know, I think their defense is okay. The pitching

736
00:35:13,438 --> 00:35:17,518
Speaker 2: I didn't realize was was that difficult right now. But

737
00:35:17,798 --> 00:35:20,478
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, every day that team shows up

738
00:35:20,478 --> 00:35:25,318
Speaker 2: at the ballpark, Man, it's there is an electricity about them.

739
00:35:25,998 --> 00:35:29,558
Speaker 2: They've deserved it, They've earned it. I've heard the other

740
00:35:29,598 --> 00:35:31,558
Speaker 2: crew speak. I like the way he talks. He's a

741
00:35:32,518 --> 00:35:35,998
Speaker 2: He's very confident, but yet humble at the same time.

742
00:35:36,558 --> 00:35:38,598
Speaker 2: And if the other kids on that team are too.

743
00:35:39,958 --> 00:35:42,718
Speaker 2: I like the way David's handling the whole situation. From

744
00:35:42,718 --> 00:35:46,438
Speaker 2: my perspective, I don't know what's on the horizon. You

745
00:35:46,518 --> 00:35:48,958
Speaker 2: talk about acquisitions and getting some of the pictures. I mean,

746
00:35:48,998 --> 00:35:50,758
Speaker 2: if they're going to get a Stroman or some of

747
00:35:50,758 --> 00:35:53,998
Speaker 2: those other dudes there, that could alter the perspective quickly.

748
00:35:54,118 --> 00:35:56,798
Speaker 2: I just like them. I haven't seen as much of

749
00:35:56,798 --> 00:35:59,718
Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks that you've described. I've seen these guys more often.

750
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:02,798
Speaker 2: I'm gonna definitely start watching the Dbacks more. But I

751
00:36:02,838 --> 00:36:04,918
Speaker 2: love watching this group. This is a tough group to

752
00:36:04,958 --> 00:36:07,798
Speaker 2: prepare against. They're never out of the game, they don't quit.

753
00:36:07,918 --> 00:36:11,398
Speaker 2: They play nine innings hard every night, and there's a

754
00:36:11,398 --> 00:36:14,958
Speaker 2: lot to be said for that. There's a believability about

755
00:36:14,958 --> 00:36:18,078
Speaker 2: them among themselves again, to see what happens a coup

756
00:36:18,158 --> 00:36:20,638
Speaker 2: next couple weeks, going into August where they land. But

757
00:36:21,238 --> 00:36:23,558
Speaker 2: they're the group. If they make a couple of pitching decisions,

758
00:36:23,558 --> 00:36:27,078
Speaker 2: heads up because and they're bullpen their closers pretty good.

759
00:36:27,158 --> 00:36:30,558
Speaker 2: So I like them. I do like them, and I

760
00:36:30,598 --> 00:36:32,878
Speaker 2: agree with you. I think that that percentage is probably

761
00:36:32,878 --> 00:36:35,638
Speaker 2: based on two things. Early in the season, and I

762
00:36:35,678 --> 00:36:38,278
Speaker 2: didn't realize their pit starting pitching was ranked that poorly.

763
00:36:38,318 --> 00:36:39,678
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to do something about that.

764
00:36:40,358 --> 00:36:40,518
Speaker 3: Well.

765
00:36:40,558 --> 00:36:43,078
Speaker 1: They are counting on getting a Hunter Green and Nick

766
00:36:43,118 --> 00:36:46,638
Speaker 1: Lodolo back into the rotation, that certainly will help. Again,

767
00:36:46,678 --> 00:36:49,238
Speaker 1: those two guys also young. We'll see if they want

768
00:36:49,238 --> 00:36:51,838
Speaker 1: to add a veteran arm. They probably still should, but

769
00:36:52,078 --> 00:36:56,638
Speaker 1: getting Green and Lodolo back in the rotation certainly will help.

770
00:36:56,718 --> 00:37:00,718
Speaker 1: Their bullpen is thirty and fifteen, a side for the

771
00:37:00,758 --> 00:37:02,678
Speaker 1: most wins in baseball. I'll tells you how good their

772
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:05,238
Speaker 1: offense is. Stick out of the game, and that offense

773
00:37:05,438 --> 00:37:08,518
Speaker 1: in that ballpark, McLain and Steer and Friedel, they're gonna

774
00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:11,678
Speaker 1: find a way to score runs. And Joey Vado has

775
00:37:11,798 --> 00:37:14,838
Speaker 1: been amazing. His ops is over one thousand. Joe he

776
00:37:14,998 --> 00:37:20,118
Speaker 1: reminds me of David Ortiz late in David's career, where

777
00:37:20,318 --> 00:37:23,278
Speaker 1: maybe he's not gonna be hitting well over three hundred anymore.

778
00:37:23,598 --> 00:37:26,958
Speaker 1: But Joey knows hitting so well and what pitchers are

779
00:37:26,998 --> 00:37:30,918
Speaker 1: doing with him. He's picking out pitches to just hammer

780
00:37:31,118 --> 00:37:34,318
Speaker 1: and he's become a slugger. I don't think I've ever

781
00:37:34,358 --> 00:37:37,518
Speaker 1: seen a hitter quite like Joey Vado, who almost decides

782
00:37:37,678 --> 00:37:41,038
Speaker 1: the kind of hitter he wants to be, whether he

783
00:37:41,078 --> 00:37:44,558
Speaker 1: wants to be high on base percentage, high average or

784
00:37:44,558 --> 00:37:48,238
Speaker 1: in this case, I think he's becoming a more dangerous slugger.

785
00:37:48,758 --> 00:37:50,718
Speaker 3: So add him to that mix.

786
00:37:50,998 --> 00:37:54,158
Speaker 1: In my goodness, I do think listen, this season, that

787
00:37:54,198 --> 00:37:58,958
Speaker 1: division comes down to for me, Milwaukee or Cincinnati. Man,

788
00:37:58,998 --> 00:38:01,038
Speaker 1: that is a coin flip right now, it's hard to

789
00:38:01,078 --> 00:38:04,078
Speaker 1: go against the Reds with the just the momentum they have.

790
00:38:04,558 --> 00:38:06,678
Speaker 2: You're right, he is a smart hitter. You've seen him

791
00:38:06,758 --> 00:38:08,398
Speaker 2: choke up, You've seen him put the ball and play

792
00:38:08,438 --> 00:38:10,278
Speaker 2: with two strikes. You see him fall off pitches and

793
00:38:10,318 --> 00:38:12,518
Speaker 2: really frustrate pitchers, and then you see him hit the

794
00:38:12,558 --> 00:38:15,278
Speaker 2: ball really far. Yeah, I agree. I think he's pretty

795
00:38:15,278 --> 00:38:17,798
Speaker 2: determined based on what's going on, how he feels that day,

796
00:38:17,798 --> 00:38:20,998
Speaker 2: how he sees that particular pitcher. He's definitely he's that smart,

797
00:38:21,078 --> 00:38:22,798
Speaker 2: and he slows the game down to that point. So

798
00:38:23,678 --> 00:38:25,918
Speaker 2: him and also I just think this is like something

799
00:38:25,958 --> 00:38:27,798
Speaker 2: new for him, being involved in a pennant race like this,

800
00:38:27,918 --> 00:38:30,998
Speaker 2: and it's really legitimately possible. So I think you're going

801
00:38:31,078 --> 00:38:34,318
Speaker 2: to see the best version of him right now. He's animated,

802
00:38:34,518 --> 00:38:36,758
Speaker 2: he's vocal. I think he takes a lot of heat,

803
00:38:36,878 --> 00:38:38,878
Speaker 2: a lot of heat off the rest of those younger players.

804
00:38:39,318 --> 00:38:41,998
Speaker 2: He kind of acts. If there's a need for a

805
00:38:42,078 --> 00:38:44,278
Speaker 2: lightning rod, he's going to be that, no problem. So

806
00:38:44,918 --> 00:38:46,718
Speaker 2: he serves a lot of useful purposes for them.

807
00:38:47,118 --> 00:38:50,118
Speaker 1: Joe, it sounds like we like these four teams, the Rangers,

808
00:38:50,158 --> 00:38:53,438
Speaker 1: the Marlins, the d Backs, and the Reds to all

809
00:38:53,478 --> 00:38:57,398
Speaker 1: be in the postseason party. We've got another contender though,

810
00:38:57,918 --> 00:39:01,158
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins. They're not in playoff position right now,

811
00:39:01,198 --> 00:39:04,238
Speaker 1: but they're only a half game behind the Guardians in

812
00:39:04,278 --> 00:39:07,638
Speaker 1: the AL Central. It's a team that lost ninety four

813
00:39:07,638 --> 00:39:10,958
Speaker 1: games last year. I'm telling you I like the Twins

814
00:39:10,998 --> 00:39:13,038
Speaker 1: to win the division. That was my pick before the

815
00:39:13,118 --> 00:39:17,278
Speaker 1: year started. I know Terry Francona does an amazing job

816
00:39:17,318 --> 00:39:20,078
Speaker 1: with Cleveland. They always play well down the stretch and

817
00:39:20,118 --> 00:39:23,638
Speaker 1: that's going to be a dogfight. But Minnesota has some

818
00:39:23,678 --> 00:39:26,918
Speaker 1: of the best starting pitching in the major leagues. Only

819
00:39:26,958 --> 00:39:29,718
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay I think is a better era And that's why.

820
00:39:30,758 --> 00:39:33,238
Speaker 1: As much as I don't like their offense way too

821
00:39:33,318 --> 00:39:36,518
Speaker 1: much swing and Miss, I love their starting pitching. And

822
00:39:36,558 --> 00:39:40,598
Speaker 1: I think Minnesota could make it five turnaround teams out

823
00:39:40,638 --> 00:39:42,438
Speaker 1: of the twelve postseason teams.

824
00:39:42,838 --> 00:39:44,398
Speaker 2: Well, I like them in the beginning. Also for the

825
00:39:44,398 --> 00:39:47,638
Speaker 2: reasons you just mentioned. I really liked their pitching, and

826
00:39:47,638 --> 00:39:49,718
Speaker 2: that's the kind of group that really could all of

827
00:39:49,718 --> 00:39:52,678
Speaker 2: a sudden click things. And they have a lot of talent,

828
00:39:52,718 --> 00:39:55,118
Speaker 2: so all of a sudden, maybe the swing and miss

829
00:39:55,198 --> 00:39:58,598
Speaker 2: might turn into something a little bit more consistent. They'd

830
00:39:58,638 --> 00:40:00,958
Speaker 2: be definitely somebody you gotta watch very closely. Right now,

831
00:40:01,838 --> 00:40:04,278
Speaker 2: just going back in time that two thousand and eight

832
00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:07,758
Speaker 2: Rays were realized, we lost seven in a row prior

833
00:40:07,798 --> 00:40:10,198
Speaker 2: to the All Star break. Seven. We had a nice

834
00:40:10,238 --> 00:40:11,878
Speaker 2: lead going on. We do seven in a row, and

835
00:40:11,878 --> 00:40:13,758
Speaker 2: then you got like a seven day then you got

836
00:40:13,758 --> 00:40:15,758
Speaker 2: a four day All Star break. It's like eleven days

837
00:40:15,798 --> 00:40:17,238
Speaker 2: before you get back out and play, and we have

838
00:40:17,278 --> 00:40:20,038
Speaker 2: to play. I believe it was Toronto at the trop

839
00:40:20,278 --> 00:40:22,958
Speaker 2: and you got Roy Holliday. They had a couple of

840
00:40:22,998 --> 00:40:27,878
Speaker 2: really good starting pitchers, and I remember Zoe beat I

841
00:40:27,878 --> 00:40:30,118
Speaker 2: can't remember that the particular picture, but on a home

842
00:40:30,158 --> 00:40:31,758
Speaker 2: run two to one, three to two, late down the

843
00:40:31,798 --> 00:40:33,678
Speaker 2: right field line, and then all of a sudden, we

844
00:40:33,678 --> 00:40:36,398
Speaker 2: took off. We just took off. So seven in a row.

845
00:40:36,518 --> 00:40:38,758
Speaker 2: We lost seven in a row twice that year with

846
00:40:38,838 --> 00:40:41,278
Speaker 2: the Rays and eventually went to the World Series. So

847
00:40:42,078 --> 00:40:44,878
Speaker 2: these are the kind of things you could just just

848
00:40:45,118 --> 00:40:46,998
Speaker 2: that lightning in a bottle moment, all of a sudden,

849
00:40:46,998 --> 00:40:49,958
Speaker 2: everybody starts believing, and then guys that might have been

850
00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:52,718
Speaker 2: swinging to missing. I would bet I don't know this,

851
00:40:52,798 --> 00:40:54,318
Speaker 2: but I would bet because I don't know the Twins

852
00:40:54,398 --> 00:40:56,238
Speaker 2: that well, you're gonna start see a little bit more poking,

853
00:40:56,318 --> 00:41:00,078
Speaker 2: two strike pokes, right field side, move the baseball. Let's go, guys,

854
00:41:00,118 --> 00:41:02,358
Speaker 2: let's tone it down a bit, let's down shift. I

855
00:41:02,398 --> 00:41:03,718
Speaker 2: would have to believe that's going to be part of

856
00:41:03,718 --> 00:41:06,078
Speaker 2: their message going into the second half, and something they

857
00:41:06,118 --> 00:41:09,038
Speaker 2: may work on early in account. Let's go like, go ahead,

858
00:41:09,038 --> 00:41:10,838
Speaker 2: go ahead, full throttle, let's see what we can do.

859
00:41:10,958 --> 00:41:13,878
Speaker 2: Go for the seats if that's our philosophy. But we

860
00:41:13,958 --> 00:41:17,078
Speaker 2: need to be more contact oriented later in the count,

861
00:41:17,318 --> 00:41:20,358
Speaker 2: especially with runners in scoring position, because we just needed

862
00:41:20,398 --> 00:41:22,758
Speaker 2: You saw in the first half it wasn't working. We

863
00:41:22,798 --> 00:41:24,958
Speaker 2: need to do this, and that's something you can't emphasize.

864
00:41:25,238 --> 00:41:27,878
Speaker 2: And if they're major league hitters, which there supposedly are,

865
00:41:28,198 --> 00:41:29,638
Speaker 2: you can make those kind of adjustments.

866
00:41:30,438 --> 00:41:32,718
Speaker 1: You got to back up a second, Joe, you dropped

867
00:41:32,718 --> 00:41:34,718
Speaker 1: that meeting on us here, the one with the Rays.

868
00:41:36,198 --> 00:41:39,478
Speaker 1: You got I love the story because you refuse to

869
00:41:39,558 --> 00:41:42,158
Speaker 1: have that in the home clubhouse, right.

870
00:41:42,158 --> 00:41:43,998
Speaker 3: Right, right right on the outfield.

871
00:41:44,078 --> 00:41:45,798
Speaker 2: No it was. It was in in Kansas City in

872
00:41:45,838 --> 00:41:46,318
Speaker 2: the clubhouse.

873
00:41:46,358 --> 00:41:48,038
Speaker 1: No, not the one where you aired them out when

874
00:41:48,078 --> 00:41:49,918
Speaker 1: you mentioned the team had lost seven in a row

875
00:41:50,398 --> 00:41:53,358
Speaker 1: and you did a little history lesson about teams that

876
00:41:53,358 --> 00:41:54,998
Speaker 1: got to the postseason with losing streaks.

877
00:41:55,078 --> 00:41:58,398
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I didn't wear them out, no what I

878
00:41:58,438 --> 00:42:00,398
Speaker 2: did at that time. But go ahead.

879
00:42:00,638 --> 00:42:03,038
Speaker 3: You didn't want to do like you normally, don't want

880
00:42:03,078 --> 00:42:05,518
Speaker 3: to have a meeting in your home, correct right exactly.

881
00:42:05,558 --> 00:42:06,318
Speaker 2: I don't hate him.

882
00:42:06,358 --> 00:42:08,758
Speaker 3: And this was your mid season gathering.

883
00:42:08,478 --> 00:42:10,518
Speaker 2: Correct right, right, right exactly.

884
00:42:10,878 --> 00:42:13,798
Speaker 3: And what was the history lesson you gave them?

885
00:42:13,918 --> 00:42:17,678
Speaker 2: Well, that was that. Well, the Baltimore Orioles had lost

886
00:42:18,118 --> 00:42:19,998
Speaker 2: seven in a row twice? Was it eighty four that

887
00:42:20,038 --> 00:42:21,678
Speaker 2: they won the World Series? One? Did the Warriors win

888
00:42:21,718 --> 00:42:22,358
Speaker 2: the World Series?

889
00:42:22,718 --> 00:42:23,278
Speaker 3: Eighty two?

890
00:42:24,198 --> 00:42:27,038
Speaker 2: Eighty two? Okay, I'm pretty sure that they had two

891
00:42:27,038 --> 00:42:29,438
Speaker 2: seven game losing streaks during the course of that season.

892
00:42:29,918 --> 00:42:32,158
Speaker 2: Andy Freed, who was an Oriole fan who's an announcer

893
00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:34,838
Speaker 2: for the Rays, had told me about that, so I

894
00:42:34,838 --> 00:42:37,558
Speaker 2: looked it up. I'm pretty certain that's accurate, but I did.

895
00:42:37,838 --> 00:42:40,878
Speaker 2: That's when I have one of my meetings, and I

896
00:42:40,918 --> 00:42:43,038
Speaker 2: remember just going into that because I was going to Naples,

897
00:42:43,038 --> 00:42:49,078
Speaker 2: Florida for my break and just specifically I think it

898
00:42:49,118 --> 00:42:53,678
Speaker 2: wasn't that when Andrew bought us all robes with their

899
00:42:53,798 --> 00:42:55,798
Speaker 2: numbers and names on it as a part of some

900
00:42:55,878 --> 00:43:00,678
Speaker 2: kind of incentive thing. I can't remember specifically the meeting,

901
00:43:00,718 --> 00:43:02,958
Speaker 2: but I do remember that I did research it. I'm

902
00:43:02,958 --> 00:43:06,718
Speaker 2: pretty sure there was Orioles. We resembled Baltimore a bit

903
00:43:06,918 --> 00:43:09,478
Speaker 2: in the seven game losing streaks in the same World

904
00:43:09,518 --> 00:43:12,238
Speaker 2: Series season, so I went with that. But other than that,

905
00:43:12,278 --> 00:43:15,198
Speaker 2: I remember specifically any of the meetings. Boy, nothing says that.

906
00:43:17,078 --> 00:43:20,318
Speaker 1: No, I just remembered you had that meeting, and you

907
00:43:20,318 --> 00:43:22,358
Speaker 1: don't like having meetings in the home clubhouse.

908
00:43:23,158 --> 00:43:24,678
Speaker 3: I do, so you get them on the field.

909
00:43:24,718 --> 00:43:27,918
Speaker 1: But there's nothing that says motivation quite like your own

910
00:43:28,118 --> 00:43:29,078
Speaker 1: terry cloth robe.

911
00:43:29,278 --> 00:43:29,438
Speaker 2: Right.

912
00:43:29,518 --> 00:43:30,878
Speaker 3: Well, what is it about robes?

913
00:43:30,878 --> 00:43:31,038
Speaker 2: Man?

914
00:43:31,158 --> 00:43:33,598
Speaker 1: David Price when he got to Toronto was a big

915
00:43:33,678 --> 00:43:35,918
Speaker 1: hit with his teammates. He got them all monogrammed and

916
00:43:36,958 --> 00:43:39,478
Speaker 1: individualized robes. Something about robes.

917
00:43:39,518 --> 00:43:41,478
Speaker 2: I don't know that that came from the Rays. I

918
00:43:41,478 --> 00:43:43,958
Speaker 2: mean that's what David was there. We were we were

919
00:43:43,998 --> 00:43:46,158
Speaker 2: like going well and I remember what it was. But

920
00:43:46,278 --> 00:43:49,638
Speaker 2: Childs James got together with Andrew and they came up

921
00:43:49,638 --> 00:43:53,318
Speaker 2: with an idea that incentivized us by doing something and

922
00:43:53,358 --> 00:43:55,798
Speaker 2: if we did, we would get They were really cool.

923
00:43:55,838 --> 00:44:00,958
Speaker 2: Actually the blue raised blue with the rays tackle twill

924
00:44:00,998 --> 00:44:02,358
Speaker 2: on the front with your neumber on the back with

925
00:44:02,438 --> 00:44:05,878
Speaker 2: your name. So that was the incentive. We were incentivized

926
00:44:06,398 --> 00:44:10,318
Speaker 2: by Pathrobes in the two thousand and eight season. Again

927
00:44:10,318 --> 00:44:12,598
Speaker 2: I can't remember the specifics. If you thought we could

928
00:44:12,638 --> 00:44:14,878
Speaker 2: talk to Shields, the Shields who remember pretty well.

929
00:44:14,718 --> 00:44:15,718
Speaker 3: You want to scare people.

930
00:44:15,798 --> 00:44:18,638
Speaker 1: Nothing scares people like going outside with your robe?

931
00:44:18,838 --> 00:44:19,078
Speaker 2: Right?

932
00:44:19,558 --> 00:44:22,438
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like what is going on?

933
00:44:22,718 --> 00:44:24,598
Speaker 2: I could go back to Lafayette with that when I'm

934
00:44:24,598 --> 00:44:25,798
Speaker 2: not going to go there though.

935
00:44:27,558 --> 00:44:30,678
Speaker 1: Happened by the way, I the Orioles one in eighty three.

936
00:44:30,718 --> 00:44:34,438
Speaker 1: I got my eighties decade mixed up there, I say

937
00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:36,558
Speaker 1: two nineteen eighty three, So.

938
00:44:37,118 --> 00:44:38,478
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting year.

939
00:44:38,878 --> 00:44:43,038
Speaker 1: The you have teams like the Astros, the Yankees, the Padres,

940
00:44:43,158 --> 00:44:45,678
Speaker 1: the Mets, the Dodgers in sort of a way, all

941
00:44:45,758 --> 00:44:47,838
Speaker 1: kind of scrambling to try to get a playoff spot,

942
00:44:48,038 --> 00:44:51,438
Speaker 1: all them out of playoff position right now. I never

943
00:44:51,478 --> 00:44:55,838
Speaker 1: bet against Pedigree Joe. Those blue blood teams, they always

944
00:44:55,838 --> 00:44:58,158
Speaker 1: find a way. Never rule them out. But it's so

945
00:44:58,238 --> 00:45:00,598
Speaker 1: much fun to be watching these breakthrough teams. This year,

946
00:45:00,638 --> 00:45:03,718
Speaker 1: we might get five teams in the postseason party that

947
00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:05,198
Speaker 1: had losing record last year.

948
00:45:05,478 --> 00:45:08,998
Speaker 2: Well, I've been part of two really crazy comebacks. The

949
00:45:09,198 --> 00:45:12,638
Speaker 2: bad one was in ninety five with the Angels when

950
00:45:12,918 --> 00:45:16,078
Speaker 2: the Mariners acquired Vince Coleman in the beginning part of August.

951
00:45:16,078 --> 00:45:18,918
Speaker 2: I think we were like thirteen games up and they

952
00:45:18,918 --> 00:45:21,118
Speaker 2: get Coleman and by the end of the season we

953
00:45:21,198 --> 00:45:22,958
Speaker 2: have to have a one game playoff that we lose

954
00:45:23,598 --> 00:45:27,598
Speaker 2: in Seattle. So that was really awful. But the good

955
00:45:27,638 --> 00:45:30,478
Speaker 2: one was it was a twenty twelve eleven or twelve

956
00:45:30,518 --> 00:45:34,118
Speaker 2: when we were down by nine on September one for

957
00:45:34,238 --> 00:45:36,798
Speaker 2: the wild Cart spot that culminated in the best night

958
00:45:36,838 --> 00:45:39,638
Speaker 2: in baseball ever, where we beat the Yankees and the

959
00:45:39,638 --> 00:45:42,158
Speaker 2: Red Sox lost to Baltimore and Baltimore. So we're down

960
00:45:42,598 --> 00:45:45,598
Speaker 2: nine for a playoff spot. I believe it's nine. I

961
00:45:45,638 --> 00:45:47,038
Speaker 2: think that's accurate. It might have been eight and a half.

962
00:45:47,078 --> 00:45:49,318
Speaker 2: I think it was nine that we made up that

963
00:45:49,438 --> 00:45:51,518
Speaker 2: ground in September to beat the Red Sox to get

964
00:45:51,558 --> 00:45:53,438
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. So I do want to hear all

965
00:45:53,438 --> 00:45:56,318
Speaker 2: these different things and the percentages. I understand that, and

966
00:45:56,398 --> 00:45:58,158
Speaker 2: if you had to bet, you would bet according to

967
00:45:58,198 --> 00:46:02,438
Speaker 2: those percentages. But in real life things happen, crazy stuff happens.

968
00:46:02,478 --> 00:46:05,518
Speaker 2: People get hot, people get cold. So it's always interesting

969
00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:09,038
Speaker 2: to watch. But the teams we talked about obviously have

970
00:46:09,038 --> 00:46:10,678
Speaker 2: have it going on right now. You talk about the

971
00:46:10,678 --> 00:46:14,918
Speaker 2: Mets and the Padres, that's gonna take quite a shift

972
00:46:15,198 --> 00:46:17,798
Speaker 2: within those groups in order to play at that level

973
00:46:17,878 --> 00:46:19,958
Speaker 2: for that long and not burn themselves out.

974
00:46:20,358 --> 00:46:24,358
Speaker 1: And finally, speaking about turnaround teams, do you know that

975
00:46:24,358 --> 00:46:26,398
Speaker 1: the Eagles have another final tour?

976
00:46:26,478 --> 00:46:29,438
Speaker 3: Joe didn't that already have like two or three final tours?

977
00:46:29,718 --> 00:46:30,318
Speaker 3: The Eagles?

978
00:46:30,438 --> 00:46:35,238
Speaker 2: Why not? Ellen John had severally just finally shut her down?

979
00:46:36,158 --> 00:46:36,518
Speaker 2: Why not?

980
00:46:36,718 --> 00:46:36,918
Speaker 1: Man?

981
00:46:36,958 --> 00:46:39,718
Speaker 2: I mean, the Stones are still rolling it. I'm good

982
00:46:39,758 --> 00:46:42,278
Speaker 2: with the if they keep I'm still waiting for Zeppelin

983
00:46:42,358 --> 00:46:44,878
Speaker 2: somehow to get back together. I mean, I will definitely

984
00:46:45,918 --> 00:46:49,038
Speaker 2: do whatever I possibly could or can to attend something

985
00:46:49,198 --> 00:46:51,878
Speaker 2: like that. I missed out on Pavarotti. I don't want

986
00:46:51,918 --> 00:46:53,798
Speaker 2: to miss out on Zeppelin. If I get that chance.

987
00:46:53,838 --> 00:46:55,358
Speaker 2: But God blessed the Eagles for doing it.

988
00:46:55,398 --> 00:46:58,758
Speaker 1: I love it, oh so much good music from the Eagles.

989
00:46:58,838 --> 00:47:01,398
Speaker 1: And I just didn't realize this until I looked it up.

990
00:47:02,438 --> 00:47:05,038
Speaker 1: Linda Ronstadt, what are your f She's my fav. Help

991
00:47:05,158 --> 00:47:06,238
Speaker 1: bring the Eagles together.

992
00:47:06,958 --> 00:47:09,718
Speaker 3: But that was a fertile time at Southern California when

993
00:47:09,718 --> 00:47:10,438
Speaker 3: it came to music.

994
00:47:10,518 --> 00:47:12,878
Speaker 2: Huh. She was at Glenn Fry, Like, wasn't there something

995
00:47:12,878 --> 00:47:15,958
Speaker 2: with those two that? Yeah, getting together? Yeah, I listened,

996
00:47:16,278 --> 00:47:18,718
Speaker 2: She's my favorite in my favorite. I was just listening

997
00:47:18,718 --> 00:47:21,078
Speaker 2: to the other day. Never get tired of that voice.

998
00:47:21,078 --> 00:47:23,518
Speaker 2: It's so sad that what had happened to her physically

999
00:47:24,038 --> 00:47:25,918
Speaker 2: then had her made her shut it down. But there's

1000
00:47:25,958 --> 00:47:30,318
Speaker 2: so many wonderful specials on TV, like documentary kind of

1001
00:47:30,398 --> 00:47:32,478
Speaker 2: things about her, with her singing and going back to

1002
00:47:32,518 --> 00:47:35,398
Speaker 2: the Stone Ponies, all this different stuff. Man, she was

1003
00:47:36,038 --> 00:47:37,838
Speaker 2: she was it for me. I mean, I love Lady

1004
00:47:37,838 --> 00:47:40,918
Speaker 2: Gaga today. Linda came before that. Yeah.

1005
00:47:40,958 --> 00:47:42,798
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you have anything from Linda

1006
00:47:42,838 --> 00:47:45,558
Speaker 1: to take us out, but I'm sure you never disappoint

1007
00:47:45,638 --> 00:47:47,118
Speaker 1: You got something for us, Joe.

1008
00:47:47,358 --> 00:47:49,798
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I'm going with this? Is from me,

1009
00:47:50,038 --> 00:47:51,838
Speaker 2: and I was reading through some notes that I had

1010
00:47:51,838 --> 00:47:55,638
Speaker 2: written last year, you know, in the off season, after

1011
00:47:55,678 --> 00:47:58,078
Speaker 2: I'd been let go of hanging out doing her thing,

1012
00:47:58,638 --> 00:48:01,038
Speaker 2: talking to you a lot. The book Experience, But this

1013
00:48:01,118 --> 00:48:02,438
Speaker 2: is something I wrote and I kind of liked it.

1014
00:48:02,478 --> 00:48:05,478
Speaker 2: I saw it this morning. So this is not a

1015
00:48:05,518 --> 00:48:08,758
Speaker 2: bang on analytics. It's just something that I think dovetails.

1016
00:48:09,038 --> 00:48:13,758
Speaker 2: For me, experience is the analytical background necessary always running

1017
00:48:13,798 --> 00:48:17,798
Speaker 2: in the background allows for or permits the recognition of nuance,

1018
00:48:18,238 --> 00:48:22,038
Speaker 2: the ability to adjust on the fly. That's really what

1019
00:48:22,158 --> 00:48:25,238
Speaker 2: experience is all about. There's a there's an analytical component

1020
00:48:25,278 --> 00:48:27,638
Speaker 2: to experience that I don't think is discussed enough. And

1021
00:48:28,078 --> 00:48:30,878
Speaker 2: you talk about Boat maybe this maybe I was thinking

1022
00:48:30,918 --> 00:48:33,758
Speaker 2: about Boat right here. But when you have that experience

1023
00:48:33,798 --> 00:48:37,278
Speaker 2: analytically in a game, you're able to recognize nuance, which then,

1024
00:48:37,438 --> 00:48:40,758
Speaker 2: because you can't follow a script necessarily when the game

1025
00:48:40,838 --> 00:48:43,198
Speaker 2: is going on, you absolutely before the game you want

1026
00:48:43,238 --> 00:48:46,198
Speaker 2: it to run this way. Game happens, things change, So

1027
00:48:46,278 --> 00:48:49,678
Speaker 2: how are you able to rely or recognize something and

1028
00:48:49,798 --> 00:48:52,558
Speaker 2: choose to make a decision that's going to impact this

1029
00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:56,158
Speaker 2: game in a positive way. So, for me, experience is

1030
00:48:56,238 --> 00:48:58,118
Speaker 2: kind of like that it's kind of like the ram

1031
00:48:58,798 --> 00:49:01,918
Speaker 2: within a computer. It's always running in the background. It's

1032
00:49:01,958 --> 00:49:05,998
Speaker 2: the experience. That experience is the necessary analytical background to

1033
00:49:06,118 --> 00:49:10,358
Speaker 2: make decisions based on what you're saying in the course

1034
00:49:10,398 --> 00:49:12,158
Speaker 2: of the game. So I wrote that last year.

1035
00:49:12,598 --> 00:49:13,398
Speaker 3: I like that, Joe.

1036
00:49:13,438 --> 00:49:16,598
Speaker 1: I'm just disappointed you didn't go all Ricky Henderson on

1037
00:49:16,758 --> 00:49:21,318
Speaker 1: us and say, Joe Men says this and refer to

1038
00:49:21,358 --> 00:49:22,278
Speaker 1: yourself in the third tees.

1039
00:49:23,038 --> 00:49:25,238
Speaker 2: I've always I'm so stuff, But you know what.

1040
00:49:25,198 --> 00:49:27,198
Speaker 1: You reminded me of something and we should bring up

1041
00:49:27,238 --> 00:49:30,278
Speaker 1: real quickly before we get out talking about experience. How

1042
00:49:30,278 --> 00:49:34,758
Speaker 1: about the Yankees hiring Sean Casey as their heading coach, right,

1043
00:49:35,078 --> 00:49:38,238
Speaker 1: I mean it hasn't worked. The Yankees have their lowest

1044
00:49:38,278 --> 00:49:41,438
Speaker 1: on base percentage since Horace Clark was playing second base

1045
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:44,878
Speaker 1: for them back in the late sixties. Why not you

1046
00:49:44,918 --> 00:49:48,878
Speaker 1: know they've got they were so analytical about their offensive

1047
00:49:48,878 --> 00:49:51,838
Speaker 1: approach dropping Sean Casey, and he's one of the most

1048
00:49:51,878 --> 00:49:54,318
Speaker 1: positive people you can ever be around. Good friends with

1049
00:49:54,398 --> 00:49:56,798
Speaker 1: Aaron Boone. The manager Tim Narrowing in the front office

1050
00:49:56,878 --> 00:49:58,438
Speaker 1: knows him from those Cincinnati days.

1051
00:49:58,438 --> 00:50:00,998
Speaker 3: He's a great, great hitter, three hundred career hitter.

1052
00:50:01,478 --> 00:50:05,558
Speaker 1: More than that, he's just got this infectious personality and vibe.

1053
00:50:05,758 --> 00:50:07,438
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to turn around the

1054
00:50:07,478 --> 00:50:11,078
Speaker 1: team entirely, but I do know he will provide a

1055
00:50:11,238 --> 00:50:13,558
Speaker 1: lot of positive, good information.

1056
00:50:14,518 --> 00:50:17,518
Speaker 2: I agree. I like Case He's wanted exactly. How you

1057
00:50:17,598 --> 00:50:20,598
Speaker 2: just describe them what they need. They don't need new

1058
00:50:20,678 --> 00:50:24,438
Speaker 2: philosophical approach in a sense when it comes to physical mechanics.

1059
00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:26,958
Speaker 2: They need a new mental approach. They need to relax.

1060
00:50:27,638 --> 00:50:30,238
Speaker 2: They need to stop beating themselves up after every out

1061
00:50:30,238 --> 00:50:32,438
Speaker 2: of every strike, gut, every fail that bat with runners

1062
00:50:32,438 --> 00:50:34,718
Speaker 2: in scoring position. They need to show up to the

1063
00:50:34,758 --> 00:50:36,598
Speaker 2: ballpark and have a blast, have a good time, and

1064
00:50:36,638 --> 00:50:39,958
Speaker 2: look forward to it. Cases that kind of guy. A

1065
00:50:39,998 --> 00:50:44,078
Speaker 2: lot of that stuff is underappreciated and not sought after enough.

1066
00:50:44,358 --> 00:50:46,798
Speaker 2: When you have guys on your staff like that that

1067
00:50:47,438 --> 00:50:50,318
Speaker 2: on a daily basis, create this kind of an atmosphere

1068
00:50:50,358 --> 00:50:52,598
Speaker 2: among the group that you look forward to. You look

1069
00:50:52,638 --> 00:50:54,838
Speaker 2: forward to seeing this guy, you look forward to the conversation,

1070
00:50:55,318 --> 00:50:57,998
Speaker 2: you look forward to the warm, fuzzy sometimes. I'm sure

1071
00:50:58,078 --> 00:51:00,438
Speaker 2: Case is going to also be able to relay something

1072
00:51:00,518 --> 00:51:02,838
Speaker 2: maybe not so positive, but he's going to do it

1073
00:51:02,838 --> 00:51:04,638
Speaker 2: in a way that it's not going to be somebody up.

1074
00:51:04,998 --> 00:51:06,998
Speaker 2: I thought it was really actually a pretty brilliant move

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Speaker 2: based on his personality. If it's they're talking short term,

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Speaker 2: hopefully it becomes long term. But he's exactly what they need.

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Speaker 2: They don't need this, mister goodwrench auto mechanic, you know,

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Speaker 2: tweaking with torque wrenches and stuff. They need somebody to

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Speaker 2: get them to relax a little, play the game adjusted

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Speaker 2: during that bat singles are okay, listen, striking out It's

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Speaker 2: not as cool as everybody says it is. Let's move

1082
00:51:30,478 --> 00:51:32,598
Speaker 2: the baseball choke up a little bit, Let's hit the

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00:51:32,638 --> 00:51:34,758
Speaker 2: ball the other way. He's going to talk about things

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00:51:34,798 --> 00:51:37,518
Speaker 2: like that, I believe, and I think that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: they need. Get people in motion. We've talked about that,

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Speaker 2: play the game with baseball, and I think Case will

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Speaker 2: bring that to them.

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Speaker 1: You drop the mister good wrench ans I love that.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard that in years. Is he still around

1090
00:51:50,158 --> 00:51:50,758
Speaker 1: but I haven't.

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Speaker 2: I haven't, But I've recently acquired a space to put

1092
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Speaker 2: all my cards and I'm gonna tell you about this later.

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Speaker 2: But that's my mister Goodwrench moment for the day. I'm really,

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about it.

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Speaker 3: That's a great tease for next episode.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time, all right, brother, right

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Speaker 1: here at the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for that. Joe.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. You're gonna like this, You're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Like this awesome.

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Speaker 2: See you guys. Thanks.

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