1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to the 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Velvet Edge podcast. I will be back with an all 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: new podcast next week, but I wanted to share one 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: of my all time favorite podcast with singer songwriter Joy Williams. 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Most of you probably remember Joy from the hit duo 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: The Civil Wars. She opened up about the rocky road 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: that band took and why they ultimately had to dissolve 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: the relationship. Joy is now out on her own and 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: her music is amazingly calming and beautiful. But even more 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: than simply music, I learned so many inspiring lessons from 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: hearing Joy's journey of life, triumphs and defeats. She's an 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: amazing soul and an instant friend, and I can't wait 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: for you guys to hear all the wisdom she dropped 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: on this podcast. Here's our conversation. I'm here with Joy Williams. 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: I feel like we're fast friends. We just literally sat 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: down and it was we just off to the races. 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: We went in the interior design, we covered a lot 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: of things. You know, Andrew glasses right now today are 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: matching the wall that now I'm asking about pay colors 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: about So I'm feeling very on brand today. Okay, so 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: most people probably do know you from the Civil Wars, 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, oh yeah, or that girl from the 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: Civil Wars girl? Right? How did that go with? Like 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: do people huge career before and now after? Well, it's 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: an interesting thing that a lot of people don't know 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: that I started in faith based music when I was seventeen. Yeah, 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: so most people do know me from you know, when 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: I was in my mid to late twenties in you know, 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: in this Americana folk duo. But before I was singing 30 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: songs that were like super pop and like very churchy um. 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: And I was raised in a pretty conservative way growing up. 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: I grew up in northern California most of my life, 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: but which was an odd combo to grow up in 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: Santa Cruz County and and then grew up in a 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: really conservative household. Yeah, I do not associate the two. No, 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: neither do I and I grew up in it. But 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: somehow I think it kind of it played into everything 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: else that's happened, you know, moving forward. It brought like 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: this openness and this curiosity city about you know, what 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: does life look like in the juxtaposition of like, how 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: all of these things worked together to form us into 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: who we are. Um. But I left doing that kind 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: of music when I was twenty three. I just felt 44 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: like I was feeling really hemmed in and my world 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: view was shifting and deepening in a different way and um, 46 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't know what I was going to do. 47 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I sat on my couch for a good 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: solid several months and it's like what I started at seventeen, 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that is similar graduating high school. Yeah, 50 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: and I did, but back and forth, like flying recording 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: my album my senior year and um, and then just 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: like trying to get to volleyball practice on time. So 53 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: it was like an interesting way to grow. But once 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: I moved to Nashville on my own at eighteen, I 55 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: had no idea what lay ahead. So it was lots 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: of trial and error and I was on the road 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: like two fifty days my first year, eighteen bus full 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: of bros. Let me just say I don't recommend and 59 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: that totally. I mean, you learn really really quickly how 60 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: to hold your ground and um and stay with yourself 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: and it was really fun. Some of it was really great, 62 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: but by the time I got to the Civil Wars, 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'd already been in the industry several years, 64 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, almost almost a decade, and so it was 65 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: funny when people would say that it's like it was 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: an overnight success, you know, and it's like I took 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: some time, you know. It's like small hinges on a 68 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: really large door. I'd spent a lot of time being 69 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: on the road meeting people, learning how to write songs 70 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: and craft those and and it was so good. It 71 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: was such a great learning experience for me personally and professionally. 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: It was really painful in some ways too, But I, UM, 73 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: I've learned the importance of UM staying with myself and 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: what happens when I don't, and and how important it 75 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: is to trust my instincts and UM and to not 76 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: be afraid to speak up when that needs to happen. 77 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: And I think we as women, women and men. I 78 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't just say women, but I think women and men somehow, 79 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: at different points in time, we get cultured to think 80 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: that we can't speak up when we need to, when 81 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: we when we really ought to. And so I learned 82 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: that kind of the hard way. But I will say 83 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: that I got to do like bucket, Like like bucket 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: list experiences, you know, like meeting Paul McCartney and like 85 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: hanging out. I mean, the list could go on and 86 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: on and on about the things that I'd always hoped 87 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: to do in my career, working my ass off to 88 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: get to that spot and finally experiencing that was really awesome. 89 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: And then I describe it as a little bit like 90 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: seeing the backside of Disney World, that it's really exciting. 91 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: And then you turn around and you go, Okay, there's 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: a lot more to life than just this as well. 93 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: You work really really hard to get to a certain 94 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: place and then you see it and you go, oh wait, 95 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: there's more and not more stuff or like more accolades 96 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: to get, but it means there's more in life to 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: to look at what really matters to you and why 98 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: and um and that taught me. That era taught me 99 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: that in a really stark way. Wow, that's a huge 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: part of the owning yourself. I think it's used. But 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: if you started at seventeen, didn't don't you feel like 102 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: you had to learn that pretty fast? Jeez? I mean yeah, 103 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: And what a weird way to like learn about yourself 104 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: while people clap for you every night? Right? That can 105 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: really tweak with your brain. And I don't I don't 106 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: say that as like why why. I mean, that's not 107 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: like a crime or river. Um. It just was what 108 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was how I how I grew up. 109 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: But it was really good that when I left doing 110 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: music in that way at that age that I had 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: a lot of time. I mean, I didn't know what 112 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: I was going to do. I hadn't finished college. I 113 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: didn't even go I mean I graduated validictorian from my 114 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: high school and didn't go to college because I already 115 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: had this career. How did you graduate valedictorian? You're like 116 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: going back and forth music. I am a nerd, really smart. 117 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: I am a nerd. I am a nerd. I don't 118 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: know if I don't know, if I I don't know, 119 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what makes someone smart or not. But 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: I but I didn't. I was a kid that was like, 121 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: let me see if I can do that, let me 122 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: see if I can do that, let me try that. 123 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: I think I can do that. And at the time, 124 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: I was like that kid that just really always wanted 125 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: the gold star. Yeah, And I think I think some 126 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: of that was helpful and some of that wasn't you know, 127 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: I laughed that I've been a recovering perfectionist. Same, yeah, 128 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I can tell I can't. Well, it takes one to 129 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: no one. It takes one to no one, I know. 130 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: But but also it sitting down with you, I can 131 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: tell you're very kind, and I can also tell you're 132 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: probably really hard on yourself exactly, so you're very empathetic. 133 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: I am you are too, so you feel it, yeah, 134 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: I do, and them. And that's why I would probably 135 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: be fun if you and I had a cocktail afterwards, 136 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: because we'd probably it's a little earlier day, but not now. 137 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think it's life finds a 138 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: way to handy your own ass and to remind you 139 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: and to remind you that it's not about doing things perfectly. 140 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: It's about showing up to the best of your ability 141 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: with your heart and your and your integrity intact, and 142 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: that will get challenged as we grow, you know, and 143 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: mistakes happen, and that's the part. That's what is that 144 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: there's a there's like a Japanese art where basically it's 145 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: you would probably know it. It's that you take a 146 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: bowl and you let it drop. It breaks into a 147 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: million pieces, and you solder it back in the exact 148 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: same form that it is, but with the gold or 149 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: with some kind of precious metal, and the basically it 150 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: becomes that much more valuable because it broke, so the 151 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: gold goes into the cracks. So I think that's kind 152 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: of like life. I love that. Wow, remember the term 153 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: for it. Maybe I'm not that much of a nerd 154 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: now that I can't remember. So to kids and fun 155 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: of you in school when he would go to the 156 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: music stuff I did. High school kids are so hard. 157 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: I was secret. No. I basically didn't talk about it 158 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: because I was afraid of getting made fun and I 159 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: didn't know how it was going to go either. I 160 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: mean it was like, is this I don't know this 161 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: is going to work out, so I don't put it 162 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: out there yet. And I was too busy doing other things. 163 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I was in my school student council. Was cool. Yeah, Um, 164 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: so you're probably president guilty, yes, but I will say 165 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: my I'm gonna I'm gonna say that my my best 166 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: friend Ashley Graham. Shout out to Ashley, Um was the 167 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: one that didn't everything, although that would be interesting. That 168 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: was sweet, Um, I don't. I mean, I look back 169 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: at life, and I think how hard I was trying. 170 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: I was trying so hard, and I think this like 171 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: this era of my life, and even from Porch kind 172 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: of has the representation of what does it look like? 173 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: In my mom that was a total fragment sentence, Um, 174 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: what does it look like to try and not try 175 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: so hard? And that's what my mom said to me 176 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: a few years ago. She said, the thing with you, Joys, 177 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: you don't need to try harder, you need to try less. 178 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: And that really stuck with me because after my dad 179 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: passed away, after and all in the same era of 180 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: like having having a small child, my dad passing away 181 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: from cancer, and my um my duo um imploding in 182 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: part because I spoke up. It just it just leveled 183 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: everything for me, and I thought, you know, Venus was 184 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: kind of a representation of what it looks like for 185 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: me to exert. It was like I wanted to explore, 186 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to push the boundaries. How can I do this? 187 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: What am I capable of? And I am really proud 188 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: of that record, But that record was such a sonic 189 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: departure from the Civil Wars that a lot of people 190 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: were like, what the hell is she doing? Which record 191 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Venus was the solo album that 192 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: came after the last Civil Wars record, and that was 193 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: on Columbia Records, and a lot of people don't know 194 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, and that's okay. But it was almost 195 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: like I needed to cleanse my palette and be like, okay, 196 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: that was I'm capable of making that music. But what 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: does it look like to really love what I do 198 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: and do what I love? And and I just started. 199 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: I just went back to playing with the guitar, you know, 200 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: and singing and just telling a story. And that's how 201 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Front Paid, Front Porch came about. And it just felt 202 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: so much more like me and so much less about 203 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: proving a point. Because I had somebody in a UM 204 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: at a record label, a very prominent person like high 205 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: up in the company at the time, UM tell me, well, 206 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: no one really wants to hear you unless you're standing 207 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: next to him. Man, they are. These are hitting on 208 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: so many points that I want to ask you, and 209 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: I'm starting like blah blah blah. No, I'm just so curious. 210 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we'd obviously so you did start in Christian music, 211 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: and then you took a break, and then I did 212 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: music for TV film, which, okay, let talk a little 213 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: bit about that. Do you feel like when you do 214 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: things like that? Obviously the paychecks are great, Yes, they 215 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: can be. They can be or they used to be 216 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: more than they are now exactly, And then sometimes it 217 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: becomes this you know, this niche for people. But do 218 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: you did you, as a musician, a serious musician at 219 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: that point, feel like a sellout ever? Or did you 220 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: get any ship for that? It was it was a 221 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: form of function. It was a way for me to 222 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: create and provide for myself and my family. And um, 223 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: it didn't feel like selling out because I honestly, because 224 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: I'd been doing Christian music, it to me was a 225 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: really safe sort of lily pad leap into. It was 226 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more in the background so I could 227 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: create that music. And I got I got shipped for 228 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: having transferred out of making like faith based musically. Oh yeah, 229 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's okay, that's that's fine, it happens. 230 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: But um, are you still religious? I would say that 231 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: my spirituality has deepened and widened, That's what I would say, 232 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: and wide that's the Christian you know it about it? Yeah? 233 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think if we really get 234 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: down to it, there's a lot that we can all 235 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: agree on if we really got past some of the 236 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: picket fences that we put up some more spirituality. Yeah, 237 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: I do think I do very much feel like it's 238 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: important to have a true North, you know, um, and 239 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: to do no harm I think that's really important. Um. 240 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: But what were we talking about? So you were saying 241 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: that you got out of the Christian are the faith based? Yeah, 242 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: and that to do TV film yea, that's what you 243 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: were asking about. It didn't feel like it sell. It 244 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: felt like can I still do music if I don't 245 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: have these parameters set for me? So it actually worked 246 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: out really well. Like I wrote a bunch of things 247 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: that went on Gray's Anatomy, and you know, I got 248 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: back in the hate it. It was I loved the 249 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: Gray's Anatomy. We all um and uh. And then I 250 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: randomly wrote a single that became a single, a jingle 251 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: for Oscar Meyer. I read about that who did that 252 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: that the money for Deli Meat would become the seedbed 253 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: for financially funding independently what would become the Civil Wars 254 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: At the time, my husband and I like took that 255 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: money and we put it into the Civil Wars, and 256 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: and then it it was the little engine that could, 257 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: and we worked our asses off and I'm so grateful 258 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: that it did work until it didn't. And then, as 259 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: all things do, all there's a season for all those things. 260 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: And and now this is the season that I'm in 261 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: again of you know, making solo music and not afraid 262 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: to go back to the roots and and the sheer 263 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: simplicity of writing just with the guitar and a vocal. 264 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: And I did that when I was eighteen. I did 265 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: that when I was twenty three. I did that when 266 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: I was twenty seven. I did that, you know, and 267 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: I'm still doing that. Um. And I'm not afraid to. 268 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: Now what what do the Buddhists say, include and transcend? 269 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: Like to bring all this, I'm like on front Port, 270 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: You've got some spiritual language, but I'm going to turn 271 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: in it on its ear a little bit. It's like 272 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of a ragran on some of it. Um. 273 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: And then I'm not afraid to go back to that 274 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: rootsy aspect of writing. Like when I wrote in the 275 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: Civil Wars, it was mostly just John Paul and I writing. 276 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: So the contribution that I put into that, I didn't. 277 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: I think I was afraid to own that at a 278 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: certain point in time. And I'm not afraid to do 279 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: that anymore because I am really proud of the music 280 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: that we made. But don't you think I mean because 281 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: you guys did meet at a writing with it a 282 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: conference or like a writing camp. Yeah, And for another artist, 283 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: do you have that thing where you especially in a partnership. 284 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: I personally struggle with this sometimes I think the other person, 285 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: even though I'm bringing the same thing to the table, 286 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: I think for some reason they know better or what 287 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,479 Speaker 1: they're saying is right, and I start to question myself, 288 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: did you do that in that relationship? In Yes, that's 289 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: a woman thing too, I think a little bit. And 290 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: I think we've been cultured out I think there. I 291 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: remember someone saying at a certain point that men are 292 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: cultured out of their hearts and women are cultured out 293 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: of their bodies. And I wept actually when I heard that, 294 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: because it was it just hit me like a ton 295 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: of bricks, because well, I think we all have moments 296 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: where we go. Man, if I only just remember my 297 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: worth and my value totally, I would have responded so 298 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: differently in that moment. I would have had less regrets, 299 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: I would have maybe said that more clearly. Um, there's 300 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: this book have you read it by Um Clarissa sd S. 301 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: And she's a PhD. And it's called Women Who Run 302 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: with the Wolves And it is it's um all these 303 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: stories around from around the world that um and she 304 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: talks about the history of each of those stories and 305 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: how it correlates to women and what we've been cultured 306 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: out of and what we have within us at any 307 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: point in time if we need it to me, I'm like, 308 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: it should be required reading for And you have to 309 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: re listen to this podcast so I can remember, well, 310 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm taking notes on the art on the artist that's 311 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: on your wall right now. But it's I think that 312 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: book in particular. I mean, I have a I have 313 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: a ten she's ten months old today. I have a 314 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: ten month old daughter right now, and and I think 315 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: to myself, I really want to make sure that I 316 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: ingest this, the wisdom of this and the wisdom from 317 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: my mom and and the wisdom that I'm getting, so 318 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: I can pass it down to her and hopefully she 319 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: can feel the shift within her to trust her instincts more. 320 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: What happened for you, like when you you said you 321 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: felt like you kind of have been sort of cultured 322 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: to sort of differ, and I was too. I totally 323 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: was too. There's lots of moments WHEREM like, well, surely 324 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: they must know more than me, and I go since 325 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: says who, Well, That's what I'm learning the older I 326 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: get is they just everyone's just trying to figure it 327 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: out all the time. None of us really know what 328 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: if anyone says they do, do you kind of I 329 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: sometimes question it now because I just know that's not true, 330 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: you know. I think it's like when you're growing up 331 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: and you look at your parents and you just think 332 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing because they're your parents. They 333 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: don't have a clue. Well, they were just doing the 334 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: best they could do exactly. And I think that's what 335 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm realizing is that's okay to wake up every day 336 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: and not have every answer. Like I just put so 337 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: much pressure on myself to know, and if I don't know, 338 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: then I'm just wrong or dumb or so you know, 339 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Like I get those kind of messages in your head 340 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: like that's the that's the ticker tape that starts like 341 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: playing for you. And what I've noticed about a lot 342 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: of men is either they cover it better or they 343 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: don't go to that. They think if I don't know, 344 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: they'll figure it out, or they'll find out. But they 345 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: don't ever judge themselves. There's a shaming about it. We 346 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: need a dude didn't here to ask? We need a 347 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: dude didn't hear it? Ask what they what they think 348 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: about a friend? Later a friend? But okay, I want 349 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: to go back to what you said that person. I'm 350 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what I was about to say. 351 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: That man said to you. Oh yeah, but that person 352 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: said to you about you singing next to Can you 353 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: repeat what they said? No one wants to hear you 354 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: unless you're standing next to him. Now, did you respond, 355 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: I walked blocks in New York in the snow. Did 356 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: you believe it? Though? I think that's why I walked 357 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: blocks because a part of me knew that was totally bullshit, 358 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: and the other part of me thought, what if he's right. 359 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: It's like all your worst fears being set up. Who 360 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: would I mean, who wants to hear that? You basically 361 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: don't matter unless you're connected to someone else. What a 362 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: painful thing that is? And it's not true, but I didn't. 363 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to respond at the time. I 364 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: remember saying I don't agree because I thought, if I 365 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: snap back, then that's not that's I don't even need 366 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: to entertain that. And if I snap back, then I'm 367 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: sort of, um, I'm re acting instead of responding, and 368 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I didn't even want to give that thought 369 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: any more power than it felt like. It felt like, 370 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: I felt like a punch to the stomach. And I 371 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: have to keep reminding myself that some people may think that, 372 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: and that's okay, But I'm not going to waste any 373 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: more time thinking about that. What can I do now, 374 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: and who can I be now? And what kind of 375 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: women can I be? Where I can make my kids proud, 376 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: where I can make my you know, I can show 377 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: my six and a half year old son, Miles, and 378 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: my my infant daughter. I can show them what does 379 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: it look like to be honest and real and show 380 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: up and make mistakes and own them and apologize and 381 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: try and try again and stay creative and stay curious 382 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: and kind if I can, because otherwise I would just 383 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: spend the rest of my life trying to prove everybody wrong. 384 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: And who wants to do that. That's a lot of 385 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: wasted energy. I think, what did you learn? What are 386 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: the differences between standing on stage was someone else and 387 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: standing on stage by yourself. If it doesn't work, you 388 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: can only blame yourself. But the other thing is is 389 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: that I I've had people ask me does it feel 390 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: so different now being a solo artist versus being in 391 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: a duo? And I say no, not really, because I 392 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: still bring what I bring and I love to collaborate. 393 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's one of my sweet spots. I've always 394 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: done that, whether I was a solo artist, collaborating with 395 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: a producer or collaborating with a band leader. Um even now, 396 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, when I was making this record, Kenneth Patton 397 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: Gale from a duo called the Milk Cart and Kids, 398 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: you know we were he knew the nature and the 399 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: importance of collaborating, and that was one of the reasons 400 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: why I wanted to work with him, was because he 401 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: knew how important right parte is. And and even on 402 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: the road with my band, you know, it was a 403 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: three piece, you know, upright bass and guitar and fiddle 404 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: slash mando, And I thought to myself, I'm I am 405 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: a solo artist, but this is I don't feel like 406 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm boss lady. You know. I feel like we're all 407 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: rowing the boat together and and I know how to lead, 408 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: and I know how to do that in a way 409 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: that's hopefully kind and respectful, because that's how I want 410 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: to be treated. But I'm still collaborating. I'm still I'm 411 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: still linking norms and going I couldn't do this without 412 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: you guys. I wouldn't want to, So you know, it's 413 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: I'm learning. That's one of my strengths is working with 414 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: other people. And I don't have to feel weak or 415 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: less because of that. So when you guys, because obviously 416 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: you had some great success and talking about the Civil 417 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: Civil Wars, yes, and you guys were pretty much at 418 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: the height of what seemed like your career and you 419 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: just announced that the tour was canceled. You were breaking 420 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: up it was done. Um. I was listening to Bobby 421 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: interview on the Bobby Cast Bobby Bones. Yeah, I'm just 422 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: kidding that guy. But this was one of my favorite 423 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: things you said was you were talking about the bad 424 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: press that you got after that, and you said, when 425 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: everything you've been working for falls apart, and you're still standing. 426 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: You just realize it's going to be okay. So what 427 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: was that like? Can you talk me through that? Because 428 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: I imagine that if I'd been working so hard for 429 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: something and it's finally happening. I mean, you said you've 430 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: been doing music since you were seventeen, and then all 431 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden it's happening, and then it's just not 432 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: and you're also being beat up for it and misunderstood 433 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: and misunderstood. What does that feel, the ability to defend 434 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: yourself frankly, Um, what does it feel like? Yeah? Total 435 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: annihil like ego annihilition, Okay, Um, it feels it feels 436 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: like when you walk into the grocery store and you 437 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: see somebody that you know, four weeks ago would have 438 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: been walking right up to you and chatting you up, um, 439 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: now glares at you and walks right past you like 440 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: they don't even know you. And and you go, you know, 441 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: this might be one of one of kind of a 442 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: version of my worst nightmare. But I'm still breathing, and 443 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: you really do get back to the basics of what 444 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: am I really grateful for. I'm grateful I get to 445 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: wake up in a bed, in a house that is warm. 446 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: And what am I grateful for? That my worth and 447 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: value is not determined on other people's opinions of me, 448 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: and and that I get to walk this out in 449 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: my own life and that's on me. And UM, I 450 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: don't know. You realize you take you take what you 451 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: do seriously, but you don't take yourself too seriously and 452 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: you go Okay. At a certain point, this will pass 453 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: in um, and people will people will be less vitriolic 454 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: about it. And I have compassion because if people don't 455 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: really know, then that all they have are their opinions 456 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: and their assumptions. And because it involves other people, I 457 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: don't feel like to publicly speak about that, uh would 458 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: do much good. Yeah, So I have to day with 459 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: that and that is hard some days, because um, it's 460 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: just hard. But I think to myself, it's about moving 461 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: forward and not and not looking back. And UM, you know, 462 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. There's things I would have done differently, 463 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: there's things I wouldn't have done differently, and that's all 464 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: life is. I think. Because I was gonna ask you 465 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: if you would go back, would you do it all 466 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: all again? I don't know. I mean, you have it's 467 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: like if what's that movie Sliding Doors? You know, it's 468 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: like it's like, well, if I didn't do that, then 469 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: this wouldn't have happened, and then this would happened. So 470 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: I can say there are there are moments that I go, man, 471 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: I wish I would have ah remembered my backbone more. 472 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: But ultimately it's made me. It's brought me right here 473 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: sitting down with you. And would you have even realized 474 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: that if you hadn't gone through that, Probably not. I 475 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: think suffering can be a great teacher until it's not necessary. 476 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: So I don't know, what do you think? Like you 477 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: looking back at your life, if you if I asked 478 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: you the same question, what would you say? I love 479 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: that you turn interviews as I Well, when you were 480 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: initially just talking, I was thinking, there's a moment in 481 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: my life where I also realized, like that statement, I'm 482 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: a human being, not a human doing and um, that 483 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: was for me after a huge fall as well, and 484 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: just realizing like I can't really control things in this life. 485 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: I can only control how I act, how I treat people, 486 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: what I show up and do every day, um, and 487 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: knowing that that's not my worth. So once I realized that. 488 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: I think it's completely shifted the way that I respond 489 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: to anything in life. You know, I don't think that 490 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: I would go back and change it. Though, as painful 491 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: as all of that stuff has been, I don't think 492 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: that I could be this person because it was transformative. 493 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: It sounds like the same yeah saying, so it's worth it. 494 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: So when you did finally to the place where you 495 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: were like, I'm still standing, I'm still okay, what was 496 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: the next step? How did you pick back up and 497 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: do music again? Very slowly? Yeah, very very slowly. Um, 498 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: it's like falling off a horse, you know what I mean. Like, 499 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: so you get close to the animal again, You're like 500 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: your whole body memories like is you know what's going 501 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: to happen, and you can front your fears. You become 502 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: friends with your fears. And the great thing about Ready 503 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: music is that I get to kind of exercise the demons. 504 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: And I wrote eighty songs for Venus. I wrote eighties 505 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: songs and they actually made the album only what was it? 506 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: I met with a couple of extra bonus things. I 507 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: mean it was like twelve or fourteen, but um, but 508 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: with front Porch, I was very slow and steady on 509 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: that I kept going. I kept just the like just 510 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: the steady as she goes kind of model. Yeah, and 511 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: I was less. We moved. I moved to l A 512 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: after the Civil Wars ended. It was just like I can't, 513 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: I just got I just gotta get out of town. 514 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: So we had a place by the beach, and um, 515 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: I just took my son to the ocean and worked 516 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: on music when I could, and you know, randomly worked 517 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: on other projects with other people. And that was a 518 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: good thing for me to do at the time. Um. 519 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: And I was closer to my dad at that time 520 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: because he was in northern California really really sick, so 521 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: I could just like do work and then when Dad called, 522 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: I could pop up and just be with him while 523 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: he slowly kind of passed through the veil. But um, yeah, 524 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: I moved out of town. But you bring wherever you 525 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: go there you are okay yourself? Right, No, But like 526 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: I think that was once my dad passed away, I 527 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: was like, why am I in l A. I don't 528 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: really want to be here, like it's great, and it's 529 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: just the I was just like, schools aren't great. I 530 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: was starting to look at that for Miles you know, 531 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: and the community if it was harder to grow out there. 532 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: Everyone just hustle lean all the time, day and time. 533 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: So we got back to Nashville and I was like, 534 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm home. And I think that really played a part 535 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: into Front Porch and UM just really really beginning to 536 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: settle back in and not settle for something, but to 537 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: settle back into um just like you said, the human 538 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: the being part versus the doing part. And and so 539 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: when I wrote this time around, I waited for the 540 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: people that I wanted to work with. It wasn't like, Okay, 541 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: who's available, how can I get this done? Like what 542 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: can I blah blah. I was like, no, I really 543 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: want to write with. And it was a really small 544 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: tribe of people. So I just waited until their calendars 545 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: opened up in mine worked in between you know, um, 546 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: dropping Miles off at school and you know, the regular 547 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: everyday errands of being a mom, and sat down and wrote, 548 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: what a blessing? Don't you think a lot of times 549 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: for me? I know, everyone's like, oh, your job is 550 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: so cool, But in any creative job or thing that 551 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: you make a job, it ends up becoming a business. 552 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: You know, you're chasing the money, or you're chasing a schedule, 553 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: or there's all these other demands. So what a cool 554 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: experience to get to wait, Yeah, and maybe how you 555 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: want to do it? Yeah, I mean I do feel 556 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: I do feel like that was a really big gift 557 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: and it helped me. It helped me just kind of 558 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: calmed down. It calmed my nerves, and I thought, you know, 559 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: if I wanted to make money, I probably wouldn't do music, right, 560 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, But why do I do this? You know? 561 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: I do this because I love I love the nature 562 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: of making something that hopefully can connect with someone else 563 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: and that maybe someone else can feel a little less 564 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: alone because of that, and we can all remember how 565 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: connected we are. And it's like, to me, music is 566 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: like cooking. It's it's it's fun to cook for yourself, 567 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: but it's way more fun to cook for other people 568 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: and and invite them in and share that and if 569 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: they enjoy it and it nourishes them, then it's like 570 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: that just feels even better to me. So it was 571 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: it was sort of how do I want to cook? 572 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: What kind of meal do I want to cook? This time? Um? 573 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: And it and it just slowly came together and I 574 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: was writing about what was going on in my life, 575 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: going through hard times, coming through realizing what really matters 576 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: in life, um, and what really doesn't and what does 577 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: it look like to you know, fight for yourself and 578 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: fight for love and celebrate celebrate the high times and 579 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: acknowledge the low times and and not be afraid to 580 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: show up for both. I was going to ask that 581 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: how much of what you write as reflective of what's 582 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: happening in your life? Oh so much, but so much 583 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: also in the sense of it can be what was 584 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: happening in my life when I was having a conversation 585 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: with one of my good friends, you know, like Trouble 586 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: with Wanting is a song that is you know, we 587 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: can all, we can all relate to the feeling the 588 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: ache of desire um or the thought of like that 589 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: what if dot dot dot question mark kind of stuff. Um. 590 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: But that was from a conversation I had with one 591 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: of my really good friends about her on again off 592 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: again relationship for ten years. And then like a song 593 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: called Hotel St. Cecilia on the record, it was just 594 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: kind of I saw this elderly woman sitting alone at 595 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: a bar, and she wasn't like she looked very lovely 596 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: and put together. It wasn't like this sad state of affairs, 597 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: you know. But I just I just thought, I wonder 598 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: what her story is, and I've made one up and 599 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: wrote that and but a lot of it is directly autobiographical, 600 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: like a song called Preacher's Daughter of that every single 601 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: line is directly from my life because you grew up 602 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: the pastor's daughter. So um So it's all in there. 603 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: It's the the the the movie is in there, the 604 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: movie in my mind is in there, and the ordinary 605 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: everyday parts of my life are in there, like the 606 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: front porch you know that currently has a Howdy welcome 607 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: Matt on it, and you know a couple of Razor 608 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: scooters and a bike that's all banged up, and you know, 609 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: sidewalk chalk on it. And that's that's also in my 610 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: real life too. Yeah. I've always been so envious of 611 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: songwriters because it seems like such a therapeutic process. I'm like, 612 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: you guys don't have to pay for what we have 613 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: to pay. Oh no, no, I swear to you. I've 614 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: bought several therapists, like like apartments, um with the amount 615 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: of therapy um it is. It is good it's good therapy. Yeah, 616 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: that is good therapy. And then it also can be like, 617 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: if you're not careful, it can be like intense navel gazing. 618 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: Me it can just be like, this is what I've 619 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: gone through and I can write ten songs about it. 620 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: So it's like it could get really dark. Yeah, so 621 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: I think it's I tell my son all the time, 622 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: You've got to become friends with your with your feelings 623 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: so otherwise they'll come outsideways. So true. So it's like 624 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: learning to make friends with your feelings also allows allows 625 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: us to communicate more clearly and hopefully write better songs. 626 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: Feelings are just feelings, yeah, and they're important to acknowledge, 627 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: and they're important not to necessarily camp there for like decade. 628 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: It's at a time and life is hard. Like I'm 629 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: in a season right now that I never thought that 630 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: I would have to be in that I never wanted 631 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: to be in um and yet this is where I am. Yeah, 632 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: and I've got beautiful music in the midst of all 633 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: of this, and I have two amazing kids, and and 634 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be okay. That just made 635 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: me think of my favorite song on the album All 636 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: I Need I've been listening to that on repeats, and 637 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: that also reminds you that is kind of you coming 638 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: full circle because there's a lot of spirituality in that. 639 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: You know, such a beautiful, simple song, but it's not 640 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: simple to downplay. No, no, no, I'm like, I'm glad 641 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: it feels that statements are just like oh yeah, yeah. 642 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: Hopefully it reminds us of like the elemental aspects of 643 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: life exactly, you know, the basics that we need to remember. Um, 644 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: so we've talked about your kids a little bit, So 645 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: tell me you have two kids. I do. I do. 646 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: Old Miles will be seven very soon. Okay, he's so awesome. 647 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: Is that a eight? It is? Yeah. He's so full 648 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: of life and so full of curiosity, is so much energy. 649 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean there's moments I'm like, I mean he wakes 650 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: up and it's just like ready to go. Yeah, he 651 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: just wakes up on a green light. That's just how 652 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: it goes, and you're like, mom, but he's just he 653 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: just came out such a light. He's just never lost 654 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: that twinkle in his eye. And he's so deeply empathic 655 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: as well, so he's got all the all that sort 656 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: of like classic you know, some might say boy energy. 657 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if it's engendered or not, doesn't 658 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: need to be. But he's so very much in his 659 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: body yeah, and yet also so very much in his heart. 660 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: And he's such a he's just such a roud human being, 661 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: and he teaches me a lot, and and then this 662 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: wonderful bliss ball um Poppy, Poppy. I have a friend 663 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: with a kid named really a little girl. Yeah, so cute. 664 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: I love that name. I need to we named her. 665 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: We named her Poppy because she her e t a. 666 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: When we found out we were pregnant was my late 667 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: dad's birthday, and I just thought that's a little full 668 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: circle right there. And the grandkids all call them Poppy. 669 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: What a cool story. So she was born, she had 670 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: her own birthday, which I like. She was born one 671 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: day before my dad's birthday, and I like to think 672 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: he was cheering her on. So we named her Poppy. 673 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: I love that. So how do you balance this career 674 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: because obviously you know road life, traveling, you're following your dreams, 675 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: but you have these two kids at home. What do 676 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: you what is that like? I mean, my dreams, my 677 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: dreams get um folded into the deep and absolute privilege 678 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: of parenting like that everything changes, Everything changes when you 679 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: have a baby. What do you mean tell me more? Well, 680 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: you never realized how much time you had on your 681 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: hands until you had a That's what everyone told you. 682 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: And then you have to And I'm so grateful for it. 683 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 1: But every all your priorities shift, you know, it doesn't. 684 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: It's not just about like what can I accomplish? What 685 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: can I do now? It's like, how do I do 686 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: this in a way where I still my kids know 687 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: that I'm there for them all the time. How do 688 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: I do this in a way that provides for them? 689 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: And um, and I I think I was. I became 690 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: less precious And I mean that in a good way 691 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: about the music that I make. It was more of 692 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: like I just sat on a stool pregnant and sick, 693 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: a f recording front porch. I was early pregnant, and 694 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: I was and I don't have like that unicorns and 695 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: rainbows pregnancies. Like I'm like, what is that? Like you know, 696 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: like um, the Duchess of you know, like Kate, you know, 697 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: she had like she was sick like twenty four hours 698 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: for six or seven months, like all the way through 699 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: I was that way and so but I sat down 700 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: in a studio and I was like, this is time 701 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: to create because it I knew it was going to 702 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: keep me really really um honest and how I made 703 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: what I made, and it did. I think you can 704 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: hear that on the on front porch. You can hear that. 705 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: It's there's no striving. I'm literally just sitting down singing 706 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: and um. And you know, parenting in general makes you go, Okay, 707 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: what really needs to happen versus what do I just 708 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: want to happen? And somehow I think it all works 709 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: together in a and its attention. I don't when people 710 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: say how do you balance it? And like, ain't no 711 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: such thing like in this regard, Um, I'm constantly moving, 712 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm constantly altering. I'm constantly shifting, like how do I 713 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: take care of myself so that I can take really 714 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: good care to paids? And and I don't do I 715 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: don't do that. I don't I probably don't do that 716 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: well a lot. But at least I'm able to say 717 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: it and I thought it, yeah, and and and say, 718 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: this isn't about doing this perfectly again getting to that 719 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: whole thing. Um, it's about how can I do this 720 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: with bravery and kindness and and show up for the 721 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: people that I love. Um, I'll let you know if 722 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: I figure it out, or or you let me know, 723 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: and then you can write a book and make a 724 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: bazillion dollars and then Oprah will interview you, and then 725 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: I will like buy takes to your seminars and you 726 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: know it'll be It'll be a whole thing, the whole 727 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: Burne Brown thing. Oh my god, I'm speaking my language. 728 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: Who I really want to be friends with? Same her 729 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: and Oprah would be I mean that people talk about 730 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: who they would want to meet, and like, those are 731 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: my people. Yea. I would like to be adopted by 732 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama and Oprah and Burnet Brown. And if there's 733 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: so many names, who else? Um, I love Glenn and Doyle, 734 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean all of those women. Anybody that's been on 735 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: Oprah Super Souls today basically so good. Oh my word. 736 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: This guy named Richard Roor was just um just talking 737 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: with Oprah, and I love Richard Or has been a 738 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: part of kind of what changed a bit of my 739 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: sort of walk in regards to like what I believe 740 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: it was. I think we go through this. I don't 741 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: know anybody who grew up in a conservative household, the 742 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: temptation might be to just completely deconstruct and just leave 743 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: it in a thousand pieces. And I was like that 744 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: for a long time. But um, this guy named Richard Ror, 745 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: He's a Franciscan monk who um has a center in 746 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: New Mexico called the c a C. The Center for 747 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: Action and Contemplation, And he wrote this book called Everything 748 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: Belongs and it was like my first step back into like, ah, wait, 749 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: maybe I don't need to throw it all out and 750 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: uh it was a pretty cool, pretty cool path. And 751 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: then he got interviewed by Oprah. I'm like, see, see 752 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: what you're doing something right? You know? That is like 753 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: literal goals, totally totally. Um. That is interesting though about 754 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: spirituality because I feel the same way. It's like you, Yeah, 755 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: I grew up in a really Christian conservative home and 756 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily practice the same beliefs. But I don't 757 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 1: think it's it never leaves you. It might. For me. 758 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: It's just expanded a lot and life has just I 759 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: don't know, I just see everything with a bigger perspective 760 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: now than I used to. Yeah, I just think there's 761 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 1: so many walls. Why are there so many walls? Like, 762 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: if if we could take those walls down, I think 763 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: we really get back to the basics, which I think 764 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: most teachers in the world. That's what everyone's trying to 765 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: remind us of, you know, but to each their own 766 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: front porches out a may what's your favorite What was 767 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: your favorite part of recording that album? Oh? Man, I 768 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: just never had so much fun recording in the studio. 769 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: And that's saying a lot, because, like I mentioned, I 770 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: was really really dogsick, but and I've been in studios 771 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,919 Speaker 1: for many, many years. But working with Kenneth as a 772 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: co producer UM was really special. And then the way 773 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: in which we went about it just felt really really good. 774 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: I Mean, Kenneth was like, Okay, I said, I want 775 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: to record this record UM in the most unadulterated way possible, 776 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: meaning like I don't want overdubs, So there's no overdubs 777 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: on the record. It's literally just like front to back performances. 778 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: And UM, I've always said, if you can't do it 779 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: in one take, you probably shouldn't try and do it live. Wow. Yeah, 780 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: that's a great that's just for me. That's just how 781 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: I feel about me and and so the Civil Wars 782 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: was that way and UM and then also and then 783 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: also recording this was that way too. So there was 784 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: just so much ease involved and a lot of laughter. 785 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: And Kenneth, you know, really listened when I when I 786 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: said this is what I want to do and how 787 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: and the players. I didn't know who the players were 788 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: going to be, but Kenneth heard me when I said, 789 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: everybody that we bring in, I just need them to 790 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: be empathic listeners because I don't want them to come 791 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: in and just like slap their stuff on it, like 792 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: this is how I play, This is what I do. 793 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: Everybody that came in, we really set the tone of 794 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: we want this to be like we're cooking together, you know. 795 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: Then and and let's add what we can, but less 796 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: is more so how do we do this? And playing 797 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: simply is actually really quite hard to do. Um. But 798 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: the amazing talent on the record, you know, he speaks 799 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: for itself. You know, got Russ Paul and Scott mulbile 800 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: Hill and Caitlyn Canty on back, some background vocals and um, 801 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: you know John Melander on fiddle and UM and Anthony 802 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: de Costa on guitar and are these all Nashville people, 803 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: not all, but they are now. But everyone you know, 804 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: came from a different part of the country and live 805 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: here now. But it was to Kenneth's credit. Kenneth was saying, 806 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: I really think you and Anthony the guitar player, you 807 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: guys should just rehearse for two, like two months, and 808 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: we did. He Anthony just came to my house and 809 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: we rehearsed for two months straight, green velvet couches in 810 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: my living room and Kenneth would sit there and we'd 811 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: play it through and we'd work out harmonies and so 812 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: that when we got in the studio, it was just 813 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: like press record and let's go. Yeah, I read was 814 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: it five days? Yeah? Fifteen songs and five days. It 815 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: was just so easy. It was so easy. It was crazy, 816 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,439 Speaker 1: but it was crazy easy with that, and I'd never 817 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: experienced it to that degree. It was. I just felt 818 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: like there was some really special magic by way of 819 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: the hard work leading up to it. Yeah, you know, yeah, 820 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: it was. It really was just so joyful in there. 821 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: It just felt really the ease was there. It felt 822 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: like sitting on a front porch with friends and um, 823 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: and that was the whole impetus for starting the record. 824 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, when I sat down with songwriters, I said, 825 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, what's really coming to me is if I 826 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: can't play it on a front porch, it's probably not 827 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: for me. And and I remember Liz Rose who helped 828 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: me write and Emily Shackleton helped me right front porch. 829 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: She was like, well, have you written a song with 830 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: that title yet? I was like no. She's like, well, 831 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: don't you think we should do that? Yes, it was 832 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: a snake it would a bit ye happy did um. 833 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: So the album is out. You guys should totally check 834 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: it out. I was gonna say, it's funny that you 835 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: keep comparing the cooking stuffing because I've been cooking in 836 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: my house listening to the Yes. Yes, it's the perfect 837 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: like background music for home to me because it's so calming. 838 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just have I've felt the last 839 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: three days I've been listening and it's it's definitely a 840 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,959 Speaker 1: very calming, contemplative album, like I hear something different every time. 841 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 1: And the lyrics, yeah, which has been really exciting. Okay, 842 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: what have your greatest career moments been that you would say? 843 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: I know that's like the hardest thing, but I'm curious 844 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: because I feel like you've got You've covered so many basses. 845 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: She give me like top three. Meeting Paul McCartney and 846 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: saying he was a fan. He said he was a face. 847 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to die. I died. That It's it's down 848 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: from there, you know what I'm saying, Like, um, yeah, 849 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 1: that that one was good. Getting matching tattoos with Adele. 850 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: Can you tell that story? Yeah? We we went the 851 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: Civil Wars. She discovered the music of the Civil Wars 852 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: and asked us to come on the road with her, 853 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: which is God. We became fast friends on the road, 854 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: and I got to witness what it looks like to 855 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: go from being somewhat well known to like the sky 856 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: rocket like stratospheric fame, and just to watch her stay 857 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: the same and and to just bear witness to the 858 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: human aspect of all of that too. And uh, we 859 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: but we were I was not even close to having 860 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: any kids at that point, so we were. I was ps, 861 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: do not try and keep up drinking with Adele. Yeah 862 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: it was, but we we joke now that like we don't. 863 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: We were like we're moms now, we can't even we 864 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: can't do that. Yeah, I know, I'm like, oh, that 865 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,439 Speaker 1: one really hit me. I'm gonna be up at six 866 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: and that one's gonna hurt the half glass of wine 867 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: that I had. But um, but I think getting to 868 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: go on the road with her, it was really just 869 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: a special thing and getting to know her and um, 870 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: what's the tattoo. The tattoo is three dots. It's an ellipsus, 871 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: which just means to be continued, and it's on our 872 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: wrists and um. We finished the tour that leg of 873 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: the tour. We finished that leg of the tour and 874 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,320 Speaker 1: she um had arranged for a tattoo artist on the bus, 875 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: so we went on the bus after our. At the 876 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: end of tour, um she had ironically given me a 877 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: bottle of gin, which I had gotten terribly, terribly sick 878 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: from drinking. Um, so that was a little giggle and 879 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: and we got we it was are both of our 880 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: first tattoos. And now we kind of we think that 881 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I haven't so I haven't spoken 882 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: to her in a little bit. But but I looked 883 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: down and I think to myself, that's right. Everything is 884 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 1: to be continued. You keep you keep an open mind 885 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: about what's about to happen. You know, you never know 886 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: how life is going to move, but you just keep 887 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: remembering there's always more. There's always more to be continued, 888 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: like our friendship, and and then we both wound up 889 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: having like getting pregnant around the same time, just totally randomly. 890 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 1: So we've joked at times that it's, you know, it's 891 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 1: like us two and our son's connected, you guys. But 892 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: and then now I don't know if I need a 893 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: out a fourth stop, but then that wouldn't work out 894 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: for Poppy, but it wouldn't be an ellipsus, so that 895 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: one and then top three. I think it's hard. It's 896 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: like I go back and forth between like really small 897 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,359 Speaker 1: moments of stepping out on stage and and just that 898 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: moment that happens of feeling this deep cycle circle of 899 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: gratitude that I feel like, I feel like it's like no, 900 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: thank you for being here, and then it's like this 901 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: moment of like feeling that thank you and it's like 902 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: no thank you, and it's like thank you. That to me, 903 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: that's a really small but but really impacting thing for me. 904 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: Every time that I don't say you feel that every 905 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,840 Speaker 1: show I do, And some days I'm really tired, or 906 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: some days with throat hurts, or you're pregnant. Yeah, some 907 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: days I'm pregnant, and some days, my you know, I'm 908 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: so exhausted, I don't know how I'm going to hit 909 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: that high note for that one song. And um, but 910 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: it's like sitting down in a living room, you know, 911 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,360 Speaker 1: and just being like, I'm so glad you're here, and 912 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,399 Speaker 1: and if and if you can keep that conversation going 913 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: and just be who you are, it's not putting on 914 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: a show. I mean, I do like putting on a show, 915 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: but but I think the shows I love going to 916 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: the most of the shows where I feel like people 917 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: really bring themselves. They bring the drama and they bring 918 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,360 Speaker 1: themselves and and like that to me is a highlight 919 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 1: to the career that hopefully I can keep that feeling 920 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: of gratitude going always. I mean, like Dolly Parton still 921 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: has so much gratitude for her career, like she's a 922 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: queen to me forever in a day. And I think 923 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: of Emmy Lou Harris, who was never afraid to branch 924 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: out and try new things and it is still making 925 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 1: music decades decades later. Like those those aren't even personal 926 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: highlights for me. But I look at that and I go, No, 927 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: that's a highlight I want to aspire to. What about you? 928 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: Oh God, greatest career moments? I mean, I think there's 929 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: been people I've gotten to meets or just even be around, 930 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: like Emmy, Lou Harris and all of those things that 931 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: have been great for me. But I think lately the 932 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: thing that I would say that that's kind of hitting 933 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 1: me the most is with gratitude. Is just even though 934 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing with a lot of 935 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: the stuff I'm doing, the opportunities keep presenting themselves, you 936 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,439 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Where it's just like one foot 937 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 1: in front of the other and something is opening up, 938 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: and I just know I'm eactly where I'm supposed to be. 939 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you've been listening to the 940 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: Velvet Edge podcast. I truly believe that every one of 941 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: us has a little velvet and a little edge, So 942 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: it's so important to remember that to be strong, you 943 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: must be soft too. Thank you so much for sharing 944 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,359 Speaker 1: in those stories with me. You can follow Velvet's Edge 945 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, as well as velvet's Edge 946 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: dot com. If you have it yet, Go to Apple 947 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: Podcast and subscribe, Rate and review this podcast. Join me 948 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: every Wednesday for more conversations on lifestyle, beauty, and relationships. 949 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: My thanks to Joy Williams. Her album front Port is 950 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,320 Speaker 1: out everywhere now. Thanks for listening.