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Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your

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Speaker 1: host Elisa Donovan. Hey, everybody, Elisa Donovan here and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Killer Thriller. Today, we are talking about one of

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Speaker 1: the most horrifying abduction cases in modern American history, the

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Speaker 1: kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart in June of two thousand and two.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth was just fourteen years old when she was taken

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Speaker 1: at knife point from her bedroom in Salt Lake City

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. What followed was a

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Speaker 1: nine month nightmare of captivity, abuse, public sightings, missed clues,

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Speaker 1: and a country desperately hoping she would be found alive. Then,

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Speaker 1: in March of two thousand and three, Elizabeth was finally

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Speaker 1: had abducted her. The lifetime film I Am Elizabeth Smart

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Speaker 1: tells that story in a deeply personal way, with Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: herself serving as narrator, refusing to let the audience look

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Speaker 1: away or distance themselves from what she endured. And my

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Speaker 1: guest today is Skeet Ulrich, who plays her captor, Brian

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Speaker 1: David Mitchell, a role that is chilling, unsettling, and incredibly

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Speaker 1: hard to shake. Skeet, Welcome to Killer Thriller. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I am so overwhelmed by this movie. I had not

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Speaker 1: seen it before, and I obviously was familiar with Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Smart's case, and it's first of all, it's really stunning

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Speaker 1: and your work in it is phenomenal. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this case is so horrifying from the start that it's

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl taken from her bed in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and you know this or

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Speaker 1: her sister witnessing it. What for you, what was the

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Speaker 1: first facts of the crime that really just stunned you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, years ago when

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Speaker 3: it happened, I remember being pretty riveted by it. It's

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Speaker 3: it's you know, And as I got more familiar with

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Speaker 3: was so audacious. I couldn't couldn't believe it, and couldn't

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Speaker 3: fathom so much of what was going on that would

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Speaker 3: it was something a puzzle that I needed to unlock

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Speaker 3: obviously to play him. But it took about two weeks

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Speaker 3: movie because I couldn't. I couldn't find why I should

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Speaker 3: play such a heinous human being. But then it sort

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Speaker 3: of came to me as I was mulling it over

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Speaker 3: that you know, I think it does a really good job,

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Speaker 3: not you know, not to remove her story from a

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Speaker 3: you know, a retelling of it, but I thought it

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Speaker 3: did a really good job at showing the two sides

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Speaker 3: of religion. You know, that he used it for salvation

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Speaker 3: and it worked, and he maligned it to use it

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Speaker 3: for his pedophilia. And I thought the evil and the

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Speaker 3: good side of religion were right there butting heads with

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Speaker 3: negative aspect of that for a more you know, for

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Speaker 3: a bigger picture, right, So, you know, I but yeah,

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Speaker 3: the you know, the initial mindset behind it was really daunting.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a disgusting case. He's a disgusting person, obviously.

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Speaker 2: You know. She came to set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell me about that, did you?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Had you spoken to her before that? You met her

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Speaker 1: on set the first time.

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Speaker 3: I had not spoken to her before, and we were,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was wearing the beard and the wig

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Speaker 2: Real.

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Speaker 1: She's an extraordinary human.

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Speaker 2: She really is.

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Speaker 3: I watched her the Netflix documentary recently, and yeah, she's

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Speaker 3: I had his five hundred page psyche valve for the

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Speaker 3: five years that he was incarcerated before they brought him

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Speaker 3: preparing to play him, you know, obviously when you play

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Speaker 3: Not something that sort of an audience can go, oh,

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Speaker 3: something entertaining, right, So I decided on this sort of

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Speaker 1: And Elizabeth talked about I've heard her speaking maybe she

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Speaker 1: couldn't decide whether it was worse the physical abuse and

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Speaker 1: a different sort of torture.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean both sides were just so ugly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Was there a a lot of conversation on set

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth was only fourteen when this happened. That's complicated.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we shot the when he first the

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Speaker 3: And my daughter at the time, I believe was like

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Speaker 3: fourteen or fifteen, like she was young, and she came

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Speaker 3: It was during the summer and spent like a week

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Speaker 3: And then I just replaced the dialogue with get on

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Speaker 3: You know, It's it's rare in a in a in

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Speaker 3: We had done all the like encampment stuff, and then

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Speaker 2: Holy.

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Speaker 3: I was terrified, But then I also sort of came

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Speaker 3: to the conclusion that that was me releasing him, you.

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Speaker 3: Out of that constant sort of evaluation of this monster.

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Speaker 1: I use dreams in my work all the time, and

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Speaker 1: Carl Jung and just so it's a really verdant it's

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Speaker 1: a very rich way to you know, to work to end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't intentional, It just sort of happened.

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Speaker 3: Which is I am a lightning bolt sent from the Lord.

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Speaker 3: I am the rain, I am the thunder. And I

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Speaker 1: You so, you that was an ad lib.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I remember you know that being sort of like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was really that worked. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is very chilling the movie. Your work is

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Speaker 1: wonderful in it, as is everyone else. The young actress

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was difficult.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the fortunate side is I believe

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Speaker 3: and I think they had toyed with the idea of

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Speaker 2: Think that would have been really, really difficult.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very wise they did not do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that would have really Yeah, hit too

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, as are.

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Speaker 3: To go, oh okay, she's not fourteen, thank god, you know,

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Speaker 3: and to be able.

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Speaker 1: Right they can, we can great story. Yeah yeah, and

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Speaker 1: just for the actress herself to not if you're that young,

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Speaker 1: you can't process what's really happening at that age.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I you're a dream. You're so lovely and I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time and your heart and being so

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Speaker 1: open about everything.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I rarely do podcasts because I came through this business

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Speaker 3: at an age when you would turn down talk shows

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Speaker 3: because you didn't want the audience to know anything about

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Speaker 3: you and to go in and experience the movie or

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Speaker 3: ahead of time about oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Actually is like this or that or whatever.

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Speaker 3: And podcast is sort of a very long, like you

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Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, long form version of that.

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Speaker 2: That I'm always resident to like dive into.

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Speaker 3: But this was such a you know, a important subject matter,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I think so important to illuminate her

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Speaker 3: as much as we possibly can, just so yes, somebody

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Speaker 3: is going through something they can feel the bravery to

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Speaker 3: step up and say something to somebody that may help

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Speaker 3: prevent it from happening.

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Speaker 1: I agree, So thank you, Yeah, thank.

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Speaker 3: You for doing that, and thanks for you know, looking

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Speaker 3: at this one. Obviously I've done other killers and other thrillers,

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Speaker 3: but I think, right, you know, very important and continues

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am Elizabeth Smart is available to stream now,

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Speaker 1: and thank you again so much, Skeet. It was really

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Speaker 1: a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you