1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Mind listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Joe McCormick, and we've got a lot of great listener 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: mail to get into today. I say, we jumped right in. 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Are you ready, Rob, Let's do it? Okay. This first 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: message comes to us from Mark. This is about the 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: chemical and religious transformation of the essences of foods. I 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: think this goes back to our episode from the past 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving where we talked about some of the strange science 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: and religious beliefs about gravy, and so Mark says, Hey, guys, 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the show. I've listened to just about 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: every episode since I got into it several years ago. 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: You and stuff you should Know are kind of the 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: core of my podcast listening. Anyways, This is in reference 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: to your Thanksgiving smorge Board episode, specifically the section on gravy. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: I listened to it not long after it came out, 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: and this email has been brewing for a while in 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: my head. Finally got it out in it, Joe, I 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: think mused about gravy and the transformation of food from 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: one thing to another in a spiritual sense. There is 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 1: such a thing today in Judaism. You may be aware 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: of cash root, the Jewish dietary practice. The one rule 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: that most people know about it is you don't mix 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: meat with milk. Now, this doesn't only mean cheeseburgers. It 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: means at the same meal, if you're having steak, you 27 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: can't have butter or sour cream on your baked potato. 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: It means having different pans to cook dairy dishes and 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: meat dishes in, and, depending on one's level of observance, 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: not eating one within six hours of each other. Like 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: if you have that milk chocolate for an afternoon snack, 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: kiss the steak dinner goodbye. But what happens if something 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: spills in the fridge. If you get some meat juice 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: in a bowl of milk, the milk is now tray ff. 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: This is t r e y f or non kosher. However, 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: if you got to drop of milk in a bowl 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: of beef chili, it may still be fined to eat, 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: as meat is considered a greater contaminant. Look at it 39 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: like mixing paint. A drop of white in a puddle 40 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: of black paint will make no appreciable difference, but a 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: drop of black paint in a puddle of white will 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: have a drastic effect. Cheese made with rennet obtained from 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: cow stomachs, thus considered meat is an ongoing debate. Here's 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: the important part. In relation to the transformation of food gelatin, 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: there is a principle called davar hadash. The H is 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: the flim hawking back of the throat. Sound not like 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: c H and cheese. So I hope, I said that right? 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Dvar hadash in cash root that holds what that When 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: a substance has been through certain chemical transformations or deluded 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: to a certain point, it loses its status as meat 51 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: or milk. Food gelatin is the most common example. This 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: is one reason why some jello type desserts and marshmallows 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: are considered kosher and some are not. Just like one's 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: individual practice, the specifics are up for debate from rabbi 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: to rabbi, and tradition to tradition. Gelatine being rendered from 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: animal bones should be meat. However, in the process of 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: being made into gelatine, it undergoes certain processes that are 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: considered enough to strip it of its meat status and 59 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: make it ParvE, which means neutral, neither meat nor milk. 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: Some rabbis hold this, some don't. Marshmallows are usually made 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: with gelatine, and I suppose there might be some kosher 62 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: ones that are, but most kosher marshmallows are made with eisenloss, 63 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: a gelatine like extract from fish guts. Fish are usually 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: considered parvey. That's a whole other rabbinic discussion, so anything 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: derived from them shares that quality. There are some other 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: factories that play into gelatine's kosher or not status, but 67 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: dvar hadash is the one that's most relevant here. So 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: it may not be exactly the distillation of bear essence. 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: Remember the episode we're talking about bear gravy. Uh what 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: the idea of changing of food's essential qualities through a 71 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: cooking process is alive and well, and Judaism and probably 72 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: other cultures with dietary restrictions today, keep on with your 73 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: bad selves, Mark, And then, as a PS, Mark says, 74 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: I just remember the liver. Liver cannot be sold in 75 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: a kosher form, so homes that keep kosher will often 76 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: have a tray pan just to boil the liver. The 77 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: process cashiers or kosher's I think this is Cashier's Cashiers 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: the liver and makes it ready to be made into 79 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: your classic deli chopped liver spread. Interesting. I didn't know 80 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: much about all of that. That's that's that's that's very fascinating. Yeah. 81 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: By the way, you can get vegan marshmallows. I know 82 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: that because those that's what we get here at the house. 83 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know in some recipes, Um, 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: there are substitutes for for when gelatine would often be used, 85 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: and say, certain types of baking or cooking where you 86 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: can substitute something like pecton, which is a plant product 87 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: for gelatin sometimes, but it might not work in all cases, 88 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: So I don't if anybody does that with marshmallows. All right, 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: here's another one. This one comes to us from Karina, 90 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: and Karina writes, Hello, I'd like to start this message 91 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: with some praise. Your show has been my favorite for years, 92 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: and I appreciate how you approach even the more unconventional 93 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: topics with a scientific mindset and a little lightheartedness. Keep 94 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: up the great work, and please do keep up weird 95 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: how cinema and the artifact too. The reason I finally 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: decided to write in is however, the recent vault episode 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: on Kama Muda. At first, I didn't think it was 98 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: a particularly useful term, probably due to my avoiding team sports, 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: religious groups, and even baby Yoda, who is indeed very cute. 100 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: But then I kept pondering the concept of feeling a 101 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: strong connection to strangers, and suddenly it struck me that 102 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: it can be found in many a situation. For example, 103 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm a law student who had a major oral exam earlier. 104 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: Today there are always three of us being questioned in 105 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: turn these days, of with considerable physical space in between, 106 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: and the prompts are notoriously anything but easy. So as 107 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: I found myself rooting for the others, I started to 108 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: wonder why yes while being tested and remembered Karma Mudah. 109 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: Sometime later, I was relaxing by listening to my favorite 110 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: band uh called Muse and not particularly popular in my 111 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: neck of the global woods, while remembering a show of 112 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: Theirs I attended in twenty nineteen, and there was that 113 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: feeling again. Hearing some thousand other fans shout the very 114 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: same words I otherwise sing by myself in the shower 115 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: is the closest to a drug high. I will in 116 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: all probability, uh ever have In short, since being made 117 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: aware of this specific concept, I have begun to notice 118 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 1: this sense of community practically everywhere, and for what it's worth, 119 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: that is great. Quick side note, With German being my 120 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: native tongue, I would not have expected that other languages 121 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: lack for a word like schadenfreude, but it's a handy 122 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: term that we use rather frequently. I experience a little 123 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: schadenfreud and myself right now for others who can't. Just kidding, 124 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: but I do think that having a specific name for 125 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: a feeling makes it somehow less intangible. Best wishes from 126 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: far away Austria, Korea. That's really interesting, And that gets 127 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: into something that I think we talked about in some 128 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: other listener mail after the Kamma Muda episode that while 129 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: there I think are pretty good arguments against certain types 130 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: of linguistic determinism ideas in psychology, it seems, at least 131 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: in my experience, pretty undeniable that having a word for 132 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: something can change how you experience the world. That like, 133 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: there might be a thing that you never noticed until 134 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: you had a word for it, and then once you've 135 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: got a word for it, you see it all over 136 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the place on the subject of Muse. When I was 137 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: I was in a band in high school that tried 138 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: to cover a song by Muse. I don't exactly remember 139 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: the name of the song. I remember that I was 140 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: supposed to be singing it and I was not doing 141 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: a good job. My main connection to muses that I 142 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: really enjoyed the French horror movie High Tension when it 143 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: came out, and with two thousand three, which is a 144 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: really entertaining horror film to watch through once, but it 145 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: prominently features the mus song Newborn and uh, it really 146 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: effectively utilizes it. So I always associate news with that movie, 147 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: in that movie, with that particular news track. Nice Okay. 148 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: This next message is a response to a previous listener mail, 149 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: which follows up on our episodes about spinning and dizziness. 150 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: This is from Elizabeth. Elizabeth says, thanks for regularly blowing 151 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: my mind. Guys, you're the best. Just listen to your 152 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: responses to the listener mail nightmare Key episode and was 153 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: intrigued by your comments on both Vertigo and YouTube videos 154 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: in combination. You see some YouTube videos give me motion sickness, 155 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: much as the early versions of Doom did. Yeah, I 156 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: just dated my of horribly, I know. Anyway, YouTube's worst 157 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: offenders tend to be Minecraft videos. I wonder why that is, 158 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: and if the affliction is widespread or just me. I mean, 159 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: it's not like my inner ear is moving around or anything. 160 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: Thanks again, Elizabeth, Well, Elizabeth, I think there is an 161 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: answer to this. So, first of all, the experience of 162 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: general motion sickness symptoms including vertigo dizziness while people are 163 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: using video games, which I think this would also include 164 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: watching videos of game play in games that is common 165 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: that is not just you. It seems to be especially 166 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: common from what I can tell, in games that are 167 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: played from a first person perspective as opposed to a 168 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: third person perspective. And I think this would line up 169 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: with both Minecraft and Doom if I'm not correct. I've 170 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: never played Minecraft. That's first person, and I think you 171 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: can switch it up. Okay, But anyway, there's actually a 172 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: related phenomenon in pilot training known as simulator sickness. Rob. 173 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I know you you know a lot about airplanes. Have 174 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: you ever heard of this before? Um, I'm not remembering anything, 175 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: and simulator sickness off stuff in my head now. Well, Basically, 176 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: the deal is that pilots who use stationary flight simulators 177 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: to train sometimes experience vertigo, nausea, and other motion sickness 178 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: effects even though they're not moving. One interesting finding about this, 179 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: at least from what I recall, is that the more 180 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: experienced a pilot is with actual flight, the more likely 181 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: they are to experience simulator sickness in a virtual environment. 182 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, what explains this feeling of vertigo? You know, like, 183 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: what what would get you feeling this way just from 184 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: interacting with video content if your body is not even 185 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: moving around? Well, I think there are multiple hypothesized explanations, 186 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: but the main one that I would put out there 187 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: would be sensory incongruity, basically disagreement between the senses. So 188 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: when your vestibular organs are telling you one thing about 189 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: your movement, such as you are sitting still, and your 190 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: vision is telling you something different you are moving around, 191 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: this can make you feel dizzy because they're not in agreement. 192 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: It's that lack of agreement that leads to some types 193 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: of dizziness in in other scenarios um and so this 194 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: seems to be one reason that sometimes you can kind 195 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: of reduce dizziness from spinning by closing your eyes right. 196 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: But anyway, because of this, I would guess I don't 197 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: know this for sure, but it would be my suspicion 198 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: that video games and simulators the ones that are most 199 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: likely to cause dizziness are the ones that are best 200 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: at confusing the brain into thinking that it is just 201 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: real vision of a real environment. So I think it 202 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: would be especially bad with virtual reality, but even if 203 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: you're just looking at a flat two D display, I 204 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: think it would probably be the most intense with video 205 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: games that include first person perspectives of watching first person operations, 206 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: including the hands or controls or like a gun even 207 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: in a first person shooter, in front of the body, 208 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: and especially that would involve looking around a lot. I've 209 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: also found that if you hand the controller off to 210 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: a small child and let them just roar the row 211 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: around in circles, that can that can cause a dizzying effect. Um. 212 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: I've also found that if I pick up a controller 213 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: that someone else is using and and and they have 214 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: not inverted the y axis, then that can make me 215 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: feel a little dizzy, like maybe maybe it's just because 216 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: you know things aren't moving the way they're supposed to, 217 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: and it just feels kind of disordient. I don't know. 218 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not full on dizziness, but it it feels 219 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: a little sickening somehow. Yeah, I know what you're talking 220 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: about there. I'm interested in this fact that it seems 221 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: like pilots who have more experience in real airplanes are 222 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: more prone to this experience in simulators. It makes me 223 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: think that Elizabeth Uh was dizzy by playing the original 224 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: Doom because she had all of this experience blasting demons 225 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: on Mars real life, she'd actually been on Phobos fighting 226 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: off the Horde from Hell. Exactly were you there, Elizabeth? 227 00:12:52,720 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: You gotta tell us, all right, here's another one for us. 228 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: This is Uh. This comes to us from Nick, and 229 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: it's regarding sinkholes. Nick writes, I spend my morning commute 230 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: listening to your podcast, as I always do, during your 231 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: discussion of sinkholes and how they have led to discoveries 232 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: about remains, such as the diet of the giant sloth. 233 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: I know it did not have much to do with 234 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: the topic, but I actually think a future discussion about 235 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: animals like the giant sloth would be really entertaining. Um 236 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, uh. Nick continues, I'm a 237 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: young engineer. But what free time I have I spend 238 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: in the outdoors appreciating the world's natural beauty. And on 239 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: a recent trip to Joshua Tree, I learned all about 240 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: how giant sloths of that area had a diet that 241 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: largely consisted of Joshua tree fruits, and that the demise 242 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: of the giant swath led to the demise of the 243 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: Joshua tree, and vice versa, as one may presume. As 244 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: giant sloths began to die out, less seeds were dispersed 245 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: by the sloths, leading to less territory occupied by the 246 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: Joshua trees, leading to less territory for the sloths who 247 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: relied on the trees fruit, etcetera, etcetera. I know this 248 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: may be a bit parochial, but honestly, what is more 249 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: majestic than the idea of a giant sloth. The fact 250 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: that this animal ever existed has always intrigued me, and 251 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: I feel it is not talked about enough, so maybe 252 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: it would be something fun to look at. Anyway. I 253 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: love your podcast. I listened daily, and as a true fan, 254 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time not to trust squirrels. 255 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: All the best, Nick Boy, it's the giants loth is 256 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: not talked about enough. It's like there's a conspiracy of 257 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: silence about the giants loth. Well, I mean, I I 258 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: see where they're coming from, because, yeah, the giant sloth 259 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: is this huge, fascinating creature, and sometimes there's a tendency 260 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: maybe to focus on other prehistoric animals. Um. I frequently 261 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: have this conversation with my son, because he's very vocal 262 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: about this. He's like, the t rex is not my 263 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: favorite dinosaur, Dad, because too many, too much attention goes 264 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: to the t rex. There are all these other cool 265 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: dinosaurs that deserve credit. And so I like along those 266 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: same lines. Yeah, so like he was into the spinosaurus 267 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: before it was cool, Yeah that sort of thing. Oh yeah, 268 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: there's just so many cool creatures and it's easy to 269 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: focus on other prehistar creatures. But the giant sloth is 270 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: is really neat and I mean and also here here 271 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: in our neck of the woods, like it's one we 272 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: can point to. It's saying like, yeah, there's the giant 273 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: slot that that lived here. Actually, the more that I 274 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: think about this, this is a great idea. We should 275 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: do our best to inculcate an extinct mega fauna. Counterculture. 276 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: That's all about people celebrating the virtues of lesser appreciated 277 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: extinct to giant animals. Yeah, well, um, I would love 278 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: to discuss the giant sloth in the future. I enjoy 279 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: our prehistar creature episodes and yeah, we'll have to We'll 280 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: have to do another one soon. I figured there'd be 281 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot of room from Moa in there. But anyway, uh, 282 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: this uh, this next message comes from the exact same 283 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: listener from Nick. Uh. It's a follow up to our 284 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: episode about bonsai trees. And this is a kind of 285 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: message I love getting from somebody who has been listening 286 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: to the show for a while and then suddenly we 287 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: just stumble across their area of x pertise. So anyway, 288 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: Nick says, good morning. I just listened to your episode 289 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: on bonsai trees and I wanted to reach out in 290 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: regards to the study you guys brought up about semi 291 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: dwarf trees and the possible benefits for their use in 292 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: pulping processes, partially because this is the first topic I 293 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: have some sort of expertise in. I am a paper 294 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: science engineer and a chemical engineer, so I have some 295 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: experience in the science of tree fibers. When you brought 296 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: up the impact on reaction woods, my mind started racing. Essentially, 297 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: trees are made up of three major components, cellulose, hemi, cellulose, 298 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: and lignant. The percentage makeup varies from tree to tree 299 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: and species to species, but in general a good assumption 300 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: is about fifty percent cellulose, hemi, cellulose and lignant. UH. 301 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: In papermaking, we really only care about cellulose. That's the 302 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: part that we can use. Again, generally speaking, while lignan 303 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: is what you might call our arch nemesis, lignant acts 304 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: like the glue that holds everything together and is an 305 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: extremely complex chemical. Theoretically, there could be cases where the 306 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: entire lignant content of the tree is all one connected molecule. 307 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely astonishing to me. Wow, and I had no idea 308 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: of that, Nick, that's crazy. But anyway, coming back to 309 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: the subject of reaction woods, Nick writes, reaction woods are 310 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: most easily explained by a branch, though, as you mentioned, slopes, 311 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: wind and other harsh weather can also cause reaction woods 312 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: to form. To use the branch example above, the branch 313 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: will build up pockets of tension would in order to 314 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: pull the branch up while uh, and here Nick says 315 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: above what I think Nick min below. So I'm gonna say, well, 316 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: below the branch there will develop compression would to push 317 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: the branch up. The tension woods will have a higher 318 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: proportion of cellulose, say six, while the compression woods build 319 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: up more lignant content. One might assume that this means 320 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: the tension would is per furred by paper market, since 321 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: we like cellulose, But this assumption is wrong. Though I 322 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: do hate compression would because of its lignant I love 323 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: this hate for wood um the can The inconsistency that 324 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: arises from reaction would makes the pulping process hard to 325 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: control and actually decreases the overall quality and or yield 326 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: of the pulp, which in turn makes the paper produced 327 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: that much worse. This is why the study you mentioned 328 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: that could reduce reaction woods caught me off guard. It 329 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: seems like such an easy solution with such massive impact. Anyway, 330 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: if you ever do an episode on papermaking, because it 331 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: honestly is an incredibly complex and at least to me, 332 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: deeply interesting topic, I'll be listening intently. I know there 333 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: aren't many paper scientists walking around out there, but once 334 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: you get one of us going about paper. We could 335 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: talk for hours. Love your show. Listen every morning and 336 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: afternoon during my commute. Thanks nick Ah, that's awesome. Yeah, 337 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: get some I got to get some paper science, uh 338 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: input from our listeners here. And you know, I don't 339 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: think we've done a full episode on like the invention 340 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: of paper and all it. It came up in an 341 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: invention episode, but I can't remember what it was. I 342 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: think we did one on the book that was about 343 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: the history where we talked about like overall book technology 344 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: scroll versus codax, and so we talked about some like 345 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: types of papermaking. We talked about parchment and about papyrus 346 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: making and all that. But yeah, modern paper based on 347 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: wood cellulo, so that would be interesting. Yeah yeah, um, 348 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of paper making and books. This is 349 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: one of the things I enjoyed about the the more 350 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: recent TV adaptation of the Name of the Roads is 351 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: that there are a few scenes where you see the 352 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: monks making parchment, making the paper for the books. Interesting. 353 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get into some of that weird 354 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: house cinema listener mail here. Now, this first bit that 355 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: comes to us, this was actually left on um a 356 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: post at my blog side Samuta Music s E m 357 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: U t A m U S. I see. Uh, clearly 358 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about something that that translated well to 359 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: to delivering on the podcast when I when I established 360 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: that side. But I blog about the Weirdout Cinema episodes 361 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: there and we had a listener respond we're not entirely 362 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: sure what their name is or what their name they 363 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: want to go by, so we're just gonna skip the 364 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: name and say a A listener wrote in and they 365 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: were responding to our episode on the Oily Maniac. Uh, 366 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: so this is what they say. Nice job. You've covered 367 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting info about this Shaw Brothers flick. 368 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: As a fan of Chinese and Hong Kong cinema, I 369 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: have watched a couple of hundred of the Shaw Martial Arts, 370 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: horror and comedy films. The Oily Maniac is definitely one 371 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: of the lesser productions from the Shop Brothers, but it 372 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: still has its moments. Those interested in more Shop Brothers 373 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: black magic films should check out the work of director 374 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: to whom Key such as Hex eight, Hex Versus Witchcraft eighty, 375 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: The Gross Out Pick, Corpse Mania nineteen eight one, Hex 376 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: after Hex two and the wacky The Boxers omen three, 377 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: but my favorite has got to be hex Lies in Videotape. 378 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: Oh that would be good. Um Uh, you know I've 379 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: heard of The Boxers omen That one's been on my 380 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: radar for a while, but I've never actually seen it. 381 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: But I know it's supposed to be a weird one. 382 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: Um anyway, they continue. Um. He also directed one of 383 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: the all time best Shop Brothers dramatic martial arts arts films, 384 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: Killer Constable, which deserves to be better known and is 385 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: currently available free to view with an Amazon Prime subscription. 386 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Killer Constable. I'll have to look it up. There are 387 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: also two more films in the black magic horror genre 388 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: by Ming Ho Ho, the director of The Oily Maniac. 389 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: They start ty Lung and are appropriately named black Magic 390 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: Nive and Black Magic two nine six. Note all of 391 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: the films I mentioned contains subject matter that can be objectionable, 392 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: nausea inducing and just playing wrong and times. I believe 393 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: forward to more great weird House cinema podcast. So clearly 394 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of great um Shaw Brothers and Hong 395 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Kong cinema black magic content out there. If we if 396 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: we're brave enough for it in the future totally. Uh So, 397 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: I think we've got to come back to the Shaw 398 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: Brothers someday. Maybe maybe we can find one that's a 399 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: little less grimy but still just as weird. Yeah yeah, 400 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: And I think I think I have one kind of 401 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: in my sight, so I gotta I gotta research it 402 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more, but we may have one that 403 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: will get to eventually. Oh boy, that's exciting. I can't wait. Okay, 404 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: uh we got a couple of messages. But this is 405 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: another thing I just love when we can be like, hey, 406 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: did anybody grow up in the Soviet Union that can 407 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: explain all this stuff we don't understand and teens in 408 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: the universe, And oh boy, we just got some really 409 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: great messages from I think these were both Russian listeners, 410 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: or at least listeners who had Russian family. Um. So, 411 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: a couple of messages about teens in the universe, the 412 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: first one from Slava, providing some interesting cultural and historical 413 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: context for this nineteen seventy four Soviet science fiction movie. 414 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: Slava says, Hi, guys, I'll try to keep this short 415 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: because I feel like I tend to ramble. The apparent 416 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: paradox in teens in the universe, which seemed to stump 417 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: the robots, is actually a riddle for kids. Remember this 418 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: was the A and B sitting on a rose thing 419 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: that we didn't understand. I mean, it was clear they 420 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: were using it to short circuit the robots brains, but 421 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: but I did not know what the original thing was. 422 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: So Slava says in Russian, the word for and is 423 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: just the letter in in the cyrilla. This is like 424 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: a backwards in which Slava says is pronounced like the 425 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: English letter E, which I will use as it stand 426 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: in to hopefully make things less confusing. The wording of 427 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: the riddle therefore becomes ambiguous. It can be read as 428 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: as A and B are sitting on the wall, or 429 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: as A E B are sitting on the wall. So 430 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: when asked what's left sitting on the wall after A 431 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: falls down and B falls down, the correct answer would 432 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: be the letter E. My guess is that all the 433 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: robots are too mathematically minded to understand the nuance of 434 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: human word play. I see, okay, So the issue is 435 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: that the conjunction that the sound in spoken Russian, indicating 436 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: the conjunction for and could also just be a word 437 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: in a list of things that are sitting on the wall. 438 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yes? Yeah, yeah, this this uh, 439 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: this email definitely UM explained it a bit more like 440 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, like you said, we from the context of 441 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: the film, you can tell it's some sort of a uh, 442 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, a logic puzzle type situation. I think maybe 443 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: an English equivalent would be, uh, I'm about to say 444 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: some letters for you, memorize them, M and O. What 445 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: were the letters? Was it? Did I say M and 446 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: oh or m n oh? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, 447 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Slava goes on to say, also, those gymnast rings you 448 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: mentioned that, remember they were in Pavel's memory of his 449 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: childhood home. Those gymnast rings you mentioned were a common 450 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: occurrence in households with children. The Soviet Union led quite 451 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: an ambitious propaganda campaign espousing the virtues of exercise. As 452 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: for the hobby of collecting nails, this also was Pavel's hobby. 453 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: You remember you have these giant land nails. Hobby of 454 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: collecting nails. I am at a loss. I'll probe the 455 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: members of my family who grew up in the Soviet 456 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: Union to see if I can figure anything out. Keep 457 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: up the great work I've enjoyed your show for years, 458 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: whether at work or as a sleep aid. Uh. The 459 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: recent edition of Weird House Cinema has been quite a 460 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: treat slava. Well, we're glad you're enjoying its lava and uh. 461 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: And and we don't resent that some people use our 462 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: show to to go to sleep. We've heard that plenty 463 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: of times before. Yeah. No, I mean, however, if you're 464 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: using the show, um, go for it. How whatever use 465 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: we can we can can be all right. This one 466 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: comes to us from Georgia. Hello Robert, Hello Joe. This 467 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: is Georgia from St. Petersburg, Russia. I've been listening to 468 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 1: your podcast for over a year now, mostly to your 469 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: Invention series, which I really enjoy. I must admit that 470 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: I almost overlooked your teams in the Universe episode, as 471 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: I normally skipped the Weird House Cinema episodes. Sorry, too 472 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: much weird Soviet movies on my list to watch. I 473 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: just cannot possibly afford adding anything more to that. They continue. 474 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: But while my podcast app was marking it as listened to, 475 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: the description caught my eye with the keywords that, as 476 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: a rule make me alert Soviet and nineteen seventies. You see, 477 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm no fan of sci fi and no expert on that, 478 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: including the Soviet sci fi. Moreover, when these two movies, 479 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: as it turns out this was supposed to be one 480 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: movie but judged too long and split into two came out, 481 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: I was not even around, and yet, as someone born 482 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: just before the breakup of the uss ARE, I'm drawn 483 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: to that part of my country's history. Plus having my 484 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: parents who can tell me quite a lot about it, 485 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: I just couldn't pass by this discussion. The most curious 486 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: thing for me was your decoding of the cultural codes. Uh, 487 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: actually the way that you react to the quote unquote 488 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: normal Soviet stuff in the movie, which might not seem 489 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: weird to Russian viewers even all those years later. So 490 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: let me share some thoughts with you. And don't get 491 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: me wrong, I do understand that for an outsider, getting 492 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: all the cultural codes in a Soviet movie right is 493 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: a hard task. I can imagine how many of them 494 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: would slip from my attention if I were watching, say, 495 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: an old Chinese movie or something. I think we talked 496 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: about this in the episode that like at least half 497 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: of the weirdness in our reaction to this was probably 498 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: actually just in us not understanding what some of these 499 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: like cultural symbols were, And it's hard to know one 500 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: thing from another, like do the gymnastis se So it 501 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: seems like gymnast rings were just a common thing in 502 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: Russian households that wasn't meaning anything in particular in the movie. 503 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: But no, but he so far as said anything about 504 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: Russian about nails nail collecting. I think that's just actually 505 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: weird maybe yeah, yeah, And and like I said, it's 506 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: it's always kind of an interesting um thought experiment or 507 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: an interesting project for a movie viewer to sort of 508 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: figure this out, whether you're watching something from a movie 509 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: from another part of the world or even from another time. 510 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you have that a similar situation going 511 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: on when you stay watching a film from the nineteen 512 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: forties or something, and you're like, what what am I 513 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: looking at? Was this just was this the technology of 514 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: the day, was the current fad? Or is this just 515 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: some genuine weirdness of this picture? Sausage man on the 516 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: train with a dog in his basket and mad love? Yeah, 517 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: exactly alright, Georgia continues. I should also point out that 518 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: although I had heard the title, I watched the movie 519 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: only yesterday. Both parts together with my parents. At least 520 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: one of them claims having watched both parts back in 521 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: the seventies, but being fifteen or sixteen at the time, 522 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: my parents just weren't interested in those quote unquote kids 523 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: film movies anymore, they say, even for them back then, 524 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: it seemed too slow and childish. Okay, I I appreciate 525 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: that my tastes are too slow and childish for your parents, 526 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: So let's start. The title itself is somewhat weird because 527 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: oh trock that o t r okay um a boy 528 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: in between being a child and a young man is 529 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: a pretty old fashioned word, which you will normally find 530 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: somewhere in either classic Russian literature c. Tolstoy's trilogy um 531 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: uh debt that stavo childhood um and then um ultra 532 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: chest Fox boyhood, uh uhnst youth and some moralistic literature. Here, 533 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: I guess it is used for the effect to make 534 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: it sound like a high style sci fi title crimea 535 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: used as a set in many Soviet and Russian movies, 536 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: including Lilac Ball. It's actually a kind of sequel to 537 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: other famous sci fi team movie uh Guests from the 538 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: Future and weird stuff such as Asa, a merge of 539 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: a crime story, a love story and row music now 540 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: and then the Georgia discusses the Soviet King of acting, 541 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, Kenty Smutnovski. And then they this is their 542 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: their words, not mine, They say, God, that's a hard 543 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: one to pronounce. I can imagine. It's a very much 544 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: is a very much loved actor. Not necessarily a king, though, 545 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: but definitely a very good one, particularly in that sixty 546 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: four hamlet you mentioned. His performance is worth all the 547 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: oscars in the world. Not kidding, well, I should look 548 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: that up. Actually, yeah. His title in Russian is ioo, 549 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: a kind of play of words because i O is 550 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: a common abbreviation for acting, literally executing someone else's responsibilities. 551 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: Plus they added an extra for special so the move 552 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: in the movie he's executing special responsibilities, the meaning of 553 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: acting in lieu of disappears Love. Durov the Academic is 554 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: also a very famous Soviet actor, well known to kids, 555 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: also for his roles in kids movies. For a Weird 556 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: One the Story of Voyages. Oh boy, this one has 557 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: a good poster. You should look this up right now. Oh, 558 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: it's like a man's face on the back of a 559 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: shroud or a cape or on the front of a cape, 560 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: also known as a fairy tale of wanderings. Interesting. Uh, 561 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if weird, how cinema may just get like 562 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: a Soviet takeover of Soviet genre films from the seventies. 563 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: Will will sort of be all we do for a bit. Yeah, 564 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll come back to him for sure. Uh. 565 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: They continue Barregavoy as a consultant for both films. I 566 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: wasn't able to find any details of his trip to 567 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: the USA, but probably I just didn't put much effort 568 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 1: into my research. By the way, according to Wikipedia, he 569 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: was shot at during an official meeting with cosmonauts in 570 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: the Kremlin because of his resemblance with Bresnev, who is 571 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: in a similar looking car often referred to as a 572 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: Sheldon Sheldon of Oz or member carrier, member of the party, 573 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: and then uh. The characters mentioned a law a nickname 574 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: meaning forehead but also a shortened version of his surname, 575 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: sneaks into the spaceship because no one wanted to take 576 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: him on board in the first part. Ah, he was 577 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: a stowaway. He was very much into reading sci fi 578 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: and can be seen holding I robot in Russian and 579 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: some compilation of sci fi stories in the first part, 580 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: hence his knowledge of all sorts of things from those books, 581 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: including the dragonfly uh Strekova Coscacoza classification. In Russian. He 582 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: talks about stre strechozoids or dragonfly OIDs, apparently a sort 583 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: of knowledge he got from so many sci fi stories. Okay, 584 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: so when they're saying Lob has expertise on alien civilizations, 585 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: what that means is he's read a lot of Isaac Asimov. 586 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Misha. He recites Tolstoy at 587 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: heart because of his special ability to memorize many pages 588 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: of print for which he was selected for this mission 589 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: in the first part, and then Pavel. His parents celebrate 590 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: his birthday in a dim lit kitchen just for the 591 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: sake of the candles on his on the birthday cake. 592 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: We usually turn the light off uh for that moment 593 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: when the kid blows all the candles out. Also, his 594 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: gymnastics kit in the hall of his apartment was quite 595 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: common stuff in a Soviet family with kids. It's called 596 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: uh shedskaya stinka Swedish wall. We still have some leftovers 597 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: from it in my apartment. When celebrating his birthday. On 598 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: board of the spaceship, the children chant happy birthday altogether 599 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: in a typical way, certainly not menacing. We usually do 600 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: that when we want to wish happy birthday to someone altogether. Well, 601 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I read a menacing tone into the birthday shout. 602 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: I think that was probably just me not being familiar 603 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: with that chant. Okay. Picking up with a few more 604 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: things here, Georgia says that all of the kids were 605 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: equipped with a smeezlu love vitel um. In the first 606 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: part of the movie. They have it on their chest 607 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: and this is the translator box. You remember that before 608 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: so it was translating the whistles and the gestures of 609 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: the robots so that they could speak. But apparently they 610 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: used this in the first half in Moscow Cassiopeia, and 611 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: it allows them to translate the words of aliens or 612 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: even animals. Uh. That some kind of Google Translate type machine, 613 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: Georgia says. Now, you remember the press conference scene where 614 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: there is Biff Wayned, You remember him with the the 615 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: yellow turtleneck and the cool leather jacket. Well, Georgia says 616 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: the French journalist from peef Viante. That might be a 617 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: translation of that might be through which we got the translation. 618 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: Biff Wayuned also appears in the first part. Apparently he 619 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: doesn't change even after twenty seven years have passed. He 620 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: is also a sort of spy as he tries to 621 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: make some shots with his mini camera in the first film. 622 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: Huh uh. And then this part was interesting finally about 623 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: the music that makes the humanoids go nuts. You remember 624 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: the crazy scramble horns and the bass and the drums 625 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: that were the sonic weapon that draw drove Agapit out 626 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: of his mind. Um to my mind, it sounds like 627 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: that sort of corrupting music from the capitalistic world you 628 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: would hear in Soviet propaganda about the poisonous influence of 629 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: the Western music or dance moves. It certainly does. And yes, 630 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: I do think that apart from being an entertainment, the 631 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: movie is definitely trying to get across its message about 632 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: teens being our future, their role in bringing the society forward, 633 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: about friendship, support, etcetera, etcetera. This message about the bad 634 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: influence of the West on the youth was such a 635 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: commonplace back then. It looks almost as organic in this 636 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: film as the Red Square and the obligatory salute to 637 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: Lennon's mausoleum. That the Pioneers a much more politicized group 638 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: than your Scouts. By the way, that was the second 639 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: step in the ideological education of a Soviet citizen, after 640 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: Octia Briannoch derived from October for the very small children. 641 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: Preceding the third. Uh comes some mulletz for the youth 642 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: and eventually being a member of the part. Uh the 643 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: and oh, sorry, this is a there's a big parenthetical 644 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of that sentence. So apparently the Pioneers 645 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: in the first movie, Uh, they salute Lennon's mausoleum in 646 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: in Russia before they depart for Alpha Cassiopeia. But anyway, 647 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: Georgia wraps this up, saying I might have forgotten some 648 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: of the points. It's getting too long. Anyway, I hope 649 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: this email was not as boring as it looks. Keep 650 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: on investigating into the Soviet realm of weird movies. We 651 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: have so many of them, and even weirder than the 652 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: one you've just seen best, Georgia, Uh, well, sounds promising. Yeah, 653 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Thank you for all of this context. This 654 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: was deep. Yeah, yeah, this was this really answered a 655 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,959 Speaker 1: lot of questions and raise new questions, and and also 656 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: presenting some new movies for us to check out. So 657 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, I definitely want to check out the 658 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: Story of Voyages and that awesome one too. Yeah. Alright, 659 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: let's wrap up with one last message here. This is UH, 660 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: also about weird Cinema. This is from Brian. Brian says, Hey, 661 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: Joe and Rob. I wanted to write in and say 662 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: how much I've been enjoying Weird House cinema. Not to 663 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: say I don't enjoy everything you do, because I do, 664 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,959 Speaker 1: but there's something fascinating to me about how you both 665 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: explore and discuss these films. I haven't seen any of 666 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: the films discussed so far, but somehow, after listening, it's 667 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: like I've always loved them and feel a kind of nostalgia. Anyway, 668 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: there were two films I wanted to throw out since 669 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm already emailing. Keep in mind I was born in 670 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and I am far from a film buff. 671 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: First is the film Planet of the Dinosaurs. When I 672 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: was a child, my grandmother had a VHS copy of 673 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: this movie, and I have memories of watching it over 674 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: and over. The intro music always gave me the creeps 675 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: and the film overall terrified me, but I still liked it. 676 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: After listening to a Weird House episode, I attempted watching 677 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: it available on Prime and was pleased to see My 678 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: six year old son was also terrified by the intro music, 679 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: and my wife made me turn it off. Um, this 680 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: to me feels like a house film, but you are 681 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: the experts. Well, I looked it up and it looks 682 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: very promising, Brian. It's got some very cheesy looking I 683 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 1: think stop motion dinosaurs kind of had a slight remind 684 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: slight similarity to The Daytime Ended, which is a movie 685 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: we might have to get into someday. Yeah. Yeah, but 686 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: this looks great Planet of the Dinosaurs. Brian goes on 687 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: to say the second film I'm not sure fits quite 688 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: as well, but I wanted to mention it anyway. And 689 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: it is troll Hunter or troll Yagharon. This is a 690 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: Norwegian film from two thousand ten and I love it. However, 691 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: everyone I ever attempted to show it to hated it. 692 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: Uh that that's the best kind of film to love, 693 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: a film you can love alone. Long story short, It 694 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: is filmed cam quarter style and they hunt massive trolls 695 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: and get into some dangerous situations kind of scary, very fun. 696 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: Ha ha, Brian, I have seen this movie and I 697 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: will tell you I liked it, so maybe I I 698 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: love Troll Hunter when it came out. Yeah, this one 699 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: for if if anyone out there's not familiar with it, 700 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: don't let the cam quarter style thing throw you, because 701 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: I know a lot of us got kind of over 702 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 1: the found footage sort of approach to filmmaking. Uh. Troll 703 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: Hunters really great and it has so much wonderful monster 704 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: science already just baked into the film itself, like they 705 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,959 Speaker 1: really thought out this whole troll thing and troll petrification. Yeah, 706 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: it's it's a great flight. I highly recommend. Yeah. But finally, 707 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: Brian says sorry for the long email, But lastly, I 708 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: love you guys and all your work. I came across 709 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: your podcast as well as stuff you should know three 710 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: years ago while my daughter was in the hospital having 711 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: corrective heart surgery. Needless to say, I needed some distraction 712 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: at that time, and you helped provide it. Thanks so much, Brian. PS. 713 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: My daughter is as normal as any other three year 714 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: old these days and in great health. Uh and so 715 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm really happy to hear that, Brian, thanks for the note. Yeah, 716 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that the guy that we could help 717 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: you out in some small way through a hard time. 718 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: I know what it's like being in the hospital with 719 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: a kiddo. Uh So, uh yeah, that was good. That 720 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: was a great one to hear. And now we have 721 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: two other well at least one other movie. I don't 722 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: know if Troll Hunter, I don't know. If it's it's 723 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: weird cinema, weird house cinema might be too recent. Is 724 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: that is that past our cutoff point? What do you think? Um? 725 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's too recent. I just feel 726 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: like I don't know like it. It kind of like 727 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't really talk about the monster science of it 728 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: because they do it so well in the film itself. 729 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: You know. Um, I don't know, it's it's it's a 730 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: weird it's a weird, like it's definitely a weird film. 731 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: I just don't know, um, what we could say about 732 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: it really other than it's good and people should see it. 733 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: So I highly recommended. All right, Well we're gonna go 734 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,959 Speaker 1: ahead and uh tell Carnie the mail bot that's gonna 735 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: be it. 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