1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Check the calendar. Everyone, The draft is in just three weeks. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me, 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: we're getting closer and closer to the twenty twenty five 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: NFL Draft. So with that in mind, how about we 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: check in with an old friend from the Draft Network. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: Paige Demacos gives us her thoughts on what the Cardinals 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: are and what positions they may be targeting. But first, 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: two days later, it's still the talk of the team. 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight sixty seven, and it 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: starts now. 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: Good to Baker, what Heart? What rent? 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable. 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: some more hurry magic. 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Griller. 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: So here we are on a Thursday and two days ago. Yes, 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: it was April first, but as you pointed out, Danny, 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: it was not an April fool's joke. But we are 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: now what forty eight hours removed? Yet what are people 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: Cardinal fans still talking about, and that is Kalais Campbell 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: coming back. And everyone likes the hometown return or the 26 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: guy that left to come back, the prodigal son. Yet 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't always translate. Well, it always doesn't end with 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: a happy ending. The story sometimes just doesn't play out 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: as you would expect, because usually when you have that 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: kind of a player, it's well, it's they've played long 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: enough that it's on the downhill of their career. Not 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the case here with Kaleis Campbell about to play his 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: eighteenth season, yet he is still very much a dominant 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: force at the line, description. 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 4: Which crazy the fact that he spent the first nine 36 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: year years of his career in the Valley, goes and 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: plays for a handful of other teams, comes back to 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: Arizona and is playing very good football still. And something 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: that this Cardinals defensive line really needs that they didn't 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: have last year is reliability and health and the fact 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: that at thirty eight years old, Campbell has played all 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 4: seventeen games and each of the last two years had 43 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 4: five sacks and twenty twenty four season which would have 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 4: Titan was Zavin Collins for most on this Cardinals roster 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: last year. There are very few players that I would 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: be in favor of signing and free agency knowing they 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: were going to be turning thirty nine in the season, 48 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 4: and Kaleiis Campbell might be the only one at that point. 49 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 4: This signing makes so much sense. 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: You look at the numbers, and then you look at 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: some of the analytics, and according to Pro Football Focus, 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: Kaleis again at the age of thirty eight, led all 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: d lineman with a forty six percent run stop win rate. 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: And whether he plays on the outside as a d 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: N whether he's playing more in the middle, he takes 56 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: up a lot of space and yeah, he can get 57 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: to the quarterback. But how many times last season, especially 58 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: late the Carolina game, comes to mind, all right, we 59 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: need to stop the opposing running back. And in that 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: particular game, the Cardinals had no answers, no answers for 61 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: the Panthers run game. So if you're now getting Kalais 62 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Campbell next to a Dalvin Tomlinson, that's a pretty formidable 63 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: front that you have to as a running back try 64 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: to figure out how to run around because you're not 65 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: going to run through them. 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and Campbell can still get to the quarterback, so 67 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: in addition to what he does in stopping the run, 68 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: he can still be disruptive. It's not always a guarantee 69 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: if a team brings in a veteran that they're bringing 70 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: in production. Sometimes you're just a player who's been in 71 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: the league for five or six years. You've done enough, 72 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: but you're not a big impact player. What I like 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: about the free agency moves in addition to Campbell, of 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 4: Josh Sweat and Dalvin Tomlinson specifically, is these are veterans 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: who have proven production on the field. It's been very 76 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 4: intentional about the players that have been brought into two 77 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 4: position rooms that were giant needs for this Cardinals team. 78 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 4: When you're talking about the Carolina game bigger picture, what 79 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: comes to mind is going two and five after the 80 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 4: bye and just then the downfall. And that's something that 81 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: has been prevalent for this Cardinals team the last handful 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: of years, even before the Jonathan Gannon era. Bringing in 83 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 4: a leader like Campbell, somebody who is similar to Buddha 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 4: Baker elevates what's going on in the locker room and 85 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: bring somebody who's going to walk them down the sideline 86 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 4: when players are sitting on the bench and make sure 87 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 4: they're not moping and mentally they are staying in the game. 88 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: Games like when they were in Carolina games the Cardinals 89 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 4: should have won and they ended up walking away with 90 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: the loss. That is something that is immeasurable, and a 91 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: coach can only say or do so much. But when 92 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: it's a player who is holding other players accountable, that 93 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: goes far beyond what any other coach could say. So 94 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: you're bringing in somebody who one can get the job 95 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 4: done on the field, and two not just leads by example, 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: leads with his voice. And while people who lead by 97 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: example are great, still sometimes you need a big voice 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: coming out of a big man in a locker room 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: to make sure everybody's on the same page and staying focused. 100 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 4: And when you've got somebody who's got the character traits 101 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 4: that Kaleis Campbell does as a Walter Payton Man of 102 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: the Year, somebody's won the Art Ruining Sportsmanship Award, that 103 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 4: goes beyond what he does on the football field. 104 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: And it's a very distinct voice as well. On that out. 105 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: Not only is it loud and booming, but it is 106 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: a very distinct voice when you know, even though you 107 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: might not see him, you'll hear him first, and that 108 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: is what kalais. Campbell brings it also, And I know 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: we've talked about this off here, but I wanted to 110 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: bring it up here on Cardinals Cover two, presented by 111 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Hyundai Product partner of the Airzona Cardinals before we dive 112 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: more into another one of our interviews from the scouting combine, 113 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: and that is hearing from the Draft Networks page Tomacos. 114 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: But speaking of the drafts, and you look at this 115 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: d line room now with ten total players signed to 116 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: the roster to me defensive line still in play with 117 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: that first round pick at sixteen, because Darius Robinson is 118 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: the only lineman, defensive lineman signed beyond twenty twenty six. 119 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: So yes, maybe you don't quite need someone in twenty 120 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: twenty five, but the draft is not about that particular year. 121 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: Sometimes it is, especially with the quarterback, but the draft 122 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: is for players that you hope are here, three, four, five, six, 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: ten years from now. That's why again you have these pieces. 124 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: But there's only one sign beyond twenty twenty six, and 125 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: that's d rob who still has not shown that he 126 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: can perform because it was hurt for most of his rookie. 127 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 4: Season only played six games. If you really get into 128 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: the nitty gritty of the contracts and the defensive line, 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 4: the players that are signed through twenty twenty six, handful 130 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: of them don't even have guaranteed money, which can always 131 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: cause a snowball effect of whether or not players get 132 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 4: a contract extension or they get something reworked, or if 133 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: they end up getting released. So just because someone is 134 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: signed through twenty twenty six doesn't even mean that they're 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: going to be on the roster. It's a great point 136 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: the draft. Yes, you want impact players. The draft is 137 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: a great way to plan long term. So when you're 138 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: looking at this defensive line room long term, you need 139 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 4: depth and you're gonna need starters. And if this is 140 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: a draft that is heavy in production and value on 141 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: the defensive line, you gotta strike while the iron's hot. Now, 142 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: the scouting department works at least a year in advance, 143 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: so they're getting an idea of what the twenty twenty 144 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: six draft class is going to look like and where 145 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: the strengths are going to be. And if defensive line 146 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 4: is not one of them, you don't want to be 147 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: put in a situation where you are forced to take 148 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 4: a draft pick that is not right for this team 149 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 4: because you have no other choice. So I am right 150 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: there with you. Now, the signings of Kaleis Campbell and 151 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: Dalvin Tomlinson, the expectation out of Darius Robinson, Justin Jones, 152 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 4: and Malon Nichols will all be healthy. That opens up 153 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: the door for something other than defensive line at sixteen 154 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: more than it was one to three weeks ago. An 155 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 4: offensive lineman is a great example when you're looking at 156 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: players that can likely be available, players that have high 157 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 4: value in this draft class, and positions still of need 158 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 4: for Arizona. I'm right there with you, though I don't 159 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: think the moves that have been made necessarily take away 160 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: the idea that at sixteen the Cardinals could still take 161 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: a defensive lineman or even an edge guy. 162 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's going to be a defensive lineman. 163 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm just saying you have to, based off what you 164 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: just said and what we heard in Indianapolis, how deep 165 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: this D line class is. So someone falls to you 166 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: at sixteen, you make that selection. Now, would I be 167 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: okay with an offensive lineman and edge rusher? Absolutely? Based 168 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: off what we know that Manti Austin Ford and Jonathan 169 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: Gann and what they value the line of scrimmage, the 170 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: farther you get away from where the ball is snapped. 171 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: To me, the value of a first round pick lessons, unless, 172 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: of course, you're a quarterback. But that's where this Cardinals 173 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: team is. They want to win the line of scrimmage, 174 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: whether that's on offense or defense. 175 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 4: That's been made clear with general manager Manti Austin for it, 176 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: and the philosophy Hegan and everybody in the front office 177 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: has is the game is one and lost in the trenches, 178 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: and that's the value. I would be shocked if in 179 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: the first three rounds the Cardinals don't select at least 180 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: one defensive lineman. If they go something else at sixteen, 181 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 4: I would be shocked if they don't take one at 182 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: forty seven, or what's their pick in the third round 183 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: seventy oh, I've got. 184 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: To hear all on one second, give me a minute. 185 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: It is seventy eight. 186 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: Seventy eight. I would be shocked if one of those 187 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: three is not defensive lineman. 188 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: And I'm right there with you, because if you look 189 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: at the calendar, we are three weeks as we speak 190 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: here on this Thursday, three weeks from the twenty twenty 191 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: five NFL drafts, and as you mentioned, we spent a 192 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: lot of time talking with people while we were at 193 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: the scouting combine about this particular draft class the Cardinals needs, 194 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: there wants, and one was from the eight Draft Network. 195 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: Paige Demacos joined myself. Danny was interviewing the general manager 196 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: Money Austin Ford at the time, but Paige is someone 197 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: that I go back always with. She has worked very, 198 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: very hard to get to where she is now. Is 199 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: the president and CEO of the Draft Network, and that's 200 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: where we began our conversation with a little background because 201 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, it's not just that she works for 202 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: the Draft Network. Page is the president and CEO of 203 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: the Draft Network. 204 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: Thank you agree? That made me feel good. Okay, that 205 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: made me feel good. You gotta understand. And a young 206 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 3: pup when I moved to Arizona, one of the first 207 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: people that helped me in the industry is Craig. So 208 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: for those of you listening that want to work in sports, 209 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: this is your guy because he helped me out tremendously. 210 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: And it's cool to sit here with you now and 211 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: talk about the Cardinals. So a couple of coach has 212 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: been been in in and out since then. And now 213 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 3: we're here and it's the Kyler Murray Show and we'll 214 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: we'll see what we're gonna talk about here about the draft. 215 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: Do we want to date ourselves as far as how 216 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: long as far as Cardinals coaches go? 217 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I came in with BA, same year. 218 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: BA came in twenty thirteen, same timeframe he and I. 219 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: And you know what's funny is I was just with Tyron, 220 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 3: Matthew and Pat in New Orleans and we were reminiscing 221 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: on that defense that couple of years that they had 222 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: and how great they were. There's this picture, and I'm 223 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: sure Bird Gang you can know what I'm talking about. 224 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: There's a photo of the defense all sitting on the 225 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: bench and they're all looking to the side and there's 226 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: like eight of them and it's Tony, Jefferson and Pat 227 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: and ro Sean like that great group of guys. Honestly, 228 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: I think it is that team that went Carson towards ACL. 229 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: I think that was the best team. 230 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: Yep. 231 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that year they were so special. And we're 232 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: just telling stories sitting in New Orleans, just talking about 233 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: how great that team was, and I was like, man, 234 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: what a special locker room that was. It really was. 235 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: That group of that timeframe was so fun and we 236 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: were really lucky to be there at that time. BA 237 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: was great, the players were unbelievable, just a really special 238 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: time and I was lucky to come in. And Man, 239 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: a winning locker rooms a hell of a lot more 240 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: fun than a losing one. So I came in at 241 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: a good time, all right, before we. 242 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Get into twenty twenty five draft prospects, Yeah, from twenty 243 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty twenty five, how did you get in 244 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: to where you are right now? 245 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? A lot of help from my first spot, Arizona Sports, 246 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: which I'm sure everybody's familiar with, Ryan Hatch, Tyler Bassett, 247 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: all the good crew back. 248 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: There, yourself still there. 249 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's still there at Gambo Burns, y Vinnie, like 250 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: the whole crew, right, So got to take those I'm 251 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: gonna say this nicely, gentlemen that are listening, those old guys, 252 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: those old radio guys, and get them to do social media, 253 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 3: which was quite the task. If you recall doing the website, 254 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: doing all the digital properties, and it was I mean, now, 255 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: what kind of catapulted me. They gave they had a 256 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: lot of trust in me. They put me on the radio, 257 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: they let me, they let me do fantasy football, They'll 258 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: let me do a lot of stuff. And you know, 259 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 3: from there, I got a job at CBS, I went 260 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 3: to Fox. I've worked for all the major networks, and 261 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 3: I kind of decided that I have the same problem everywhere, 262 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 3: and that's that nobody's really just focused on digital. And 263 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: like everybody that's under forty consumed sports much differently than 264 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: the older generation. And so that's what the Draft Network is. 265 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: It's for young football fans. It's all digital, it's YouTube, 266 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: it's TikTok, Instagram, all social. And that's where I got 267 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: to now. So that's the short version. For those of 268 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: you that want the long version, you can hit me 269 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 3: up on Instagram or Twitter and I'll give you the 270 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: long version. 271 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: I'll give you credit because now we're seeing more and 272 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: more focus on the digital and less on the hard copy, 273 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: whether that's newspaper or even the cameras, as far as television. 274 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: Everything is consumed. As I pick up my phone, it's 275 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: right here on the iPhone. It's whatever you need is 276 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: right there. You don't have to wait until later on 277 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: in the evening and that newspaper hits your front door. 278 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: That's not how the world works. 279 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: No, it's not how the world works. It's a second 280 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: screen experience, right. You think about how do you sit 281 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 3: down and watch football. I don't know anybody that's watches 282 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: football without their phone right next time, whether that's checking 283 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: fantasy football, looking at Twitter for updates, you know, reposting things, 284 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: having fun, engaging. So you know, that's that's where I 285 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: always pay attention to how am I consuming? And then 286 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: I'm paying attention to the next generation how are they consuming? 287 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: And man, one of the coolest things has been the Cardinals' growth, 288 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: honestly with a younger fan base in Phoenix, because Phoenix 289 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: is such a younger population growing and I've loved watching 290 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: how much we get tons of traffic from azy in California, 291 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: two places that everybody says, like, yeah, they don't really 292 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: care about sports bs, That's not true at all, like 293 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: Arizona fans are. It's a younger, younger fan base, but 294 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: it's growing and I've loved being a part of that. 295 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: In a voice of that I'm from Chicago. Everybody knows 296 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: that I've had plenty of arguments about Bears and and Cardinals, 297 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: but the Cardinals did come from Chicago. I like to 298 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: remind my Phoenix people like, come on, now, we're all connected, 299 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: we can play nice. There's no rivalry there. 300 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: And if I remember correctly, for whatever reason, a Nebraska fan. 301 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 3: As well, that is true. I'm a Nebraska graduate. There 302 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: are a lot of Huskers in the valley. There are 303 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: I think fifteen Husker bars in Phoenix that I don't 304 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: know why there's so many, but there's a lot of 305 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: us out there. And yeah, I am a Husker fan. 306 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: And it's been a tough going lately, let's be honest, 307 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: hasn't been great. But ASU was great this year and 308 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: I love covering them, and I love getting to know 309 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: Camp Scataboo and the coaching staff. And for all u 310 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: ASU fans, I know there's a ton of crossover between 311 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: the two fan bases. Man, this is an exciting time 312 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: to be a Sun Devil, like super exciting. And Tarotoya McMillan, like, 313 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: that's a guy who we really love, who's University of Arizona. 314 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: So it's a good time to be in the valley. 315 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: Good time. 316 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: Tell me what you're hearing as far as Cardinal fans 317 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: are concerned. When it comes to this year's draft much 318 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: different than a year ago when many had twelve selections, 319 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: one of the top four, one of the top five, 320 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: and now it's six with one in the top twenty. 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: So it's a little bit the range of players that 322 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: might may or may not be available all of a sudden, 323 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: it becomes a little bit more unpredictable. 324 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: It does, it does, and that's the part where this 325 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: is to earn your money draft, I think. And that's 326 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: not just this organization and general manager and head coach. 327 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: This is across a lot of organizations that are looking 328 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: where this is a draft where you really you really 329 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: got to trust your scouts and your valuation process because 330 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: it's not a top heavy there's not a you know, 331 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: this will be the class we have the least first 332 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: round pick picks on like of grades on And because 333 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: of that, that means you got to find what we 334 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: call the money rounds, So you got to go between 335 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: three and five. Those are gonna be guys that are 336 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: gonna be starters on your roster. Still, but it's not 337 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: as obvious, it's not as obvious to you that these 338 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: are gonna be home runs, right, And I think the 339 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 3: benefit for Mani and this team is that the defensive 340 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: line class is stacked this year. You got a lot 341 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: of d linemen, got a lot of offensive linemen, and 342 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: they got they gotta bolster the trenches. And I think 343 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: that's where this is gonna this is gonna start. And 344 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 3: I you know, you've got that later round pick, so 345 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 3: you're gonna have good options there. Who's gonna be there 346 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: at that time? This is gonna be the class. I 347 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: feel like we have the least amount of and since 348 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 3: I've been doing this since twenty nineteen, this is the 349 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: least comfortable I feel about how the draft is gonna 350 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: go because there's not quarterbacks like there usually is, and 351 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 3: it's not even we don't even have a cemented QB one. 352 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 3: Last year this was oh yeah, Kayleb Williams, Jayden Daniels 353 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 3: lock right, That's not this year. So that creates an 354 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: environment where it's gonna be a lot different. And I 355 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: think the Cardinal fans, you guys should be reading up 356 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 3: on these on this D line class, because there's a 357 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: lot of good guys that you guys should be excited 358 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: about what. 359 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: We're hoping though, is that because quarterbacks always get overdrafted, 360 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: is there potentially a third or a fourth quarterback that pushed, 361 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: which is a top tier player at a offensive line 362 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: interior or defensive line in tier edge rusher to sixteen 363 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: because there's a team ahead of the Cardinals that says, oh, 364 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: we can't wait, we need our quarterback right now. 365 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 3: I think there's there's always a good chance of that, 366 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 3: right and here we sit, Well, it's Wednesday of combine 367 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: week tomorrow the court, Like I saw the quarterbacks get 368 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: into town on Tuesday, right, and I was seeing them 369 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: looking at them, seeing the high who's got an opportunity. 370 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you guy from from the University of Louisville, right, 371 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: that was at the Senior Bowl, and that's Tyler Show. 372 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: He's a big guy. He's big, He's impressive when you 373 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: see him. He's got a good arm. Very Live came 374 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: out of came out of Senior Bowl week with a 375 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: lot of buzz. Jackson Dark came out of Senior Bowl 376 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 3: week with a lot of buzz. I think there's a 377 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 3: really good opportunity that we get another quarterback. And that's, 378 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: as you said, best case scenario for the Cardinal fans 379 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 3: because then you get some of these guys to start dropping, 380 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: and I think we're looking at a quarterback needy time 381 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: frame with a lot of teams too. 382 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned defensive line some names to consider in that 383 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: range of where the Cardinals select at sixteen or if 384 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: it's better because how deep it is, And we've heard 385 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: that consistently this week to where all right, maybe you 386 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: hold off on a defensive lineman until pick forty seven 387 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: in the second round. 388 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Michael Williams is the guy we just That's 389 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: why I was looking at the mock draft. I'm like, 390 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: would we got on our latest monk, Michael Williams, a 391 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: guy from the University of Georgia and obviously the Eagles 392 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: organization and the ties there and all the guys that 393 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 3: were drafted from Georgia and what you just saw that 394 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 3: defense due to Patrick Mahomes, right, I think you got 395 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: to have a lot of faith in anybody coming out 396 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: of that university. Honestly, as Keey Ringo, a kid who's 397 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: from Arizona that's playing up there, like they just that team. 398 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 3: Kirby knows how to coach defense. They're hitting at a 399 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 3: high level. So that's a guy I feel really comfortable with, 400 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: and that's a guy that I think could end up 401 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: being there at that point. So that's somebody that we 402 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: really like. And then you said, if if it's not, 403 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: you know, if you got an offensive line that maybe 404 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: drops into that forty seven spot. I love Gray's Abel. 405 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: I love Gray. He is a kid that I got 406 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: to know over the summer. He does a there's a 407 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: camp up in Minneapolis called the Brute Camp and they 408 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: train all all all during the summer with Billy Turner, 409 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: who used to play for the Green Bay Packers for 410 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 3: you know, ten plus years. And he's a North Dakota 411 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: State kid, Okay, And there's something about North Dakota State 412 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: and offensive line that just feels right right. You want 413 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: a guy like that. You want a guy who can 414 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 3: put his hand in the dirt and is not afraid 415 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 3: to go body to body with anybody on the line. 416 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 3: And he impressed everybody in the one on once and 417 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: his positional versatility is amazing. So that's I think for 418 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: the Cardinals. I feel like offensive line has never really 419 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: been short up and it's been a big problem even 420 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 3: since I was covering the team. And you gotta do that. 421 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta protect Kyler. You gotta protect Kyler. 422 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 3: And I think that would be a really that would 423 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 3: be a home run. That would be a home run 424 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 3: for them. 425 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not enough to just have five starters because 426 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: there's so much injury that all of a sudden you 427 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: need seven, eight, nine, maybe even ten different players because 428 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: the Cardinals had I think the number was ten different 429 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: starting line combinations this past season. And so yeah, you 430 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: always you always want to show up the offensive line, 431 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: even though if you think you've got your five starters, 432 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: even before they hit the. 433 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: Draft, for sure. And I think that honestly, I can 434 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: remember having that conversation with BA back twenty sixteen about 435 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 3: how offensive linemen were coming out less technically refined than 436 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 3: ever before, right, and he was he was complaining about it, right, 437 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: and he and I've had a lot of conversations about that. 438 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: But it's gotten quite frankly, it's gotten worse. And that's 439 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 3: you got a lot of athleticism, but very raw right 440 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: coming out. And that's kind of forced the entire NFL 441 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: to have to not just have five guys, right, And 442 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: I think that's so it's not a problem for the Cardinals. 443 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: This is a problem across the entire league, and so 444 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 3: that's something you just have to count on, Like you can't. 445 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: You can't expect that. You know, when Jared Goff had 446 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: that great year in twenty eighteen and they had all 447 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: five guys go the whole year, imagine that, Like it's 448 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: impossible to think about that anymore because it just doesn't. 449 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: It rarely happens. And so you got to count on 450 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: that not being the case, right, and you got when 451 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: you got a quarterback that's the size of Kyler Murray, 452 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: you especially got to make sure that you got that 453 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: offensive line short up. 454 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, the Super Bowl run of the Cardinals, 455 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: they had all five starters on the offensive line remain healthy. 456 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: And again, health is the number one indicator of how 457 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: successful you potentially can become and then get on a 458 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: roll in the postseason. As far as the opposite of 459 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: protecting the quarterback getting after the quarterback, we hear Jonathan 460 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: Gannon a lot say it's about pressuring the quarterback, it's 461 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: about affecting the quarterback. Doesn't really believe in sex. In fact, 462 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: he says it's not a winning stat but believes that 463 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: you have to make that quarterback uncomfortable, and too many 464 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: times this past season, Yeah, posing quarterbacks had too much time. 465 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, that puts it much matter 466 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: difficult on the secondary because now you're covering for the 467 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: second or two longer and I don't care who you 468 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: are on the back end, any quarterback is going to 469 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: dice you up if you've got plenty of time in 470 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: the pocket. So where are where does this draft class 471 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: compare to maybe recent draft classes as far as guys 472 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: that can get after that quarterback. 473 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: So you've got obviously at the top end of duel, 474 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: Carter's a freak, right, you got somebody who's just unbelievable. 475 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 3: But you've also got some depth at that position with 476 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 3: a guy like Colin Oliver, who's a guy from Oklahoma 477 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: State that I got to know. Didn't play this year 478 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: because he got injured, but go back and watch the 479 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: tape from the year prior and you're gonna be very impressed. 480 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: And that's a guy that at that forty seventh spot, 481 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: maybe even later, that could be a guy that Cardinals 482 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: could go after and get somebody like that. So it's 483 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: there's some there's some spice up at the top of 484 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: dual Carter obviously being the name that everybody's I mean, 485 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: he could go number one overall, agree, right, which anytime 486 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: there's a defense, you think about how many quarterbacks won 487 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: in the first round last year, and you think about 488 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: now this year, maybe we have a defensive player or 489 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: a guy like Travis Hunter go number one over all. 490 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy to think about how different this class 491 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 3: is from last year. But you've got guys. That's why 492 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 3: I brought up Colin Oliver because that's a guy who 493 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: I think character wise overall, just he would fit this 494 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: staff and what they do and just how they run 495 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 3: this this program. And I think the Cardinals, I've been 496 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 3: really impressed with what they've done and who they brought 497 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 3: in and how they how they fit the scheme, but 498 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 3: more so they fit the football character. And that's a 499 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 3: big I know that's become a big deal for them, 500 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 3: and it's a it was a very different switch from 501 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: the Cliff Kingsbury era to this era. And I think 502 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: he's a guy that would fit would fit this team 503 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 3: very well. 504 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of team first, and if you're not 505 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: putting the team ahead of your individual needs, then all 506 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden they don't want you, regardless of how 507 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: well you might be able to play the game of football. 508 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: It's the person that they want in the locker room. 509 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: And yeah, you got to be able to play, but 510 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: we want good people in the locker room ahead of 511 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 1: maybe that outstanding athlete superstar. But you're not in it 512 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: for the right reason. 513 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a it's honestly, it's a KPI. It's 514 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: a key performance indicator for football guys. Like I think 515 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 3: that's what it's become is the Colts kind of revolutionized 516 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: scouting with how they brought in somebody from the Navy 517 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: to to do these character tests, and it's become such 518 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: a much bigger deal. And I think that's why when 519 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: I've initially heard this staff talk, I went, yeah, they 520 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: get it. They do. They get it. They understand and 521 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 3: it may take a little longer, and it may not 522 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: be maybe a little excruciating at times, and it may 523 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: not be as sexy. But look at how the Super 524 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: Bowl was just won. I want to bring everybody to 525 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: that the trenches running the football, playing good, complimentary football 526 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: across both sides, and they whooped up on Patrick Mahomes. 527 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: So I think that's where you look at the system 528 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 3: they came from, what just happened, and that's your hope 529 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: is that you can build off of that and kind 530 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: of get to that point that the Eagles are at 531 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 3: right now, where obviously they've got a talented, stacked roster. 532 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 3: But look at a guy like aj Brown this year, 533 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: right that's that football character Like, No, this is about 534 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 3: the team, and you have your struggles, but as long 535 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: as you got the everybody on the inside all headed 536 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 3: in the same direction, you're okay. And I think that's 537 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: where at least the hopes should be for Cardinal fans 538 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: that you can kind of emulate that and maybe get 539 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: to a super Bowl. I would love it. I would 540 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: love to see the Valley have a super Bowl run. 541 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: So as much as everybody likes to give me a 542 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: hard time about being a Bears fan, I'm I'm all 543 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: in bird gang. Let's hope we could get there sooner 544 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: rather than later. 545 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: Hopefully it is in year three or not much longer 546 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: than year three. Page always appreciate it. Great insight before 547 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: we let you go talk up the draft network where 548 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: people can find it, because I do believe again it's 549 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: all about how you consume contents and at the ready. 550 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: As far as what's happening not only this week but 551 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: in the days before April. 552 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: Hits, I appreciate that. Agree. You guys can go to 553 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 3: the Draft network dot Com. Between now and the draft. 554 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 3: We're gonna have seven round mocks, right, so we're gonna 555 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: be knocking all seven rounds Cardinals specific. We'll have mock 556 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: drafts every Monday. We've got our top big boards that 557 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: we put out. We've got a mock draft simulator that's 558 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 3: getting relaunched in about cut in a couple of weeks here, 559 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: so we're very excited about that. And for Cardinal fans, 560 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: if you want to know who the Cardinals are going 561 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 3: to draft, you want to get excited about this class, 562 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: we're the place for you. Go to the Draft network 563 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: dot com, read up on the scouting reports, and make 564 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 3: sure you hold the GM accountable for the guys that 565 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: we talked about, right, so, you guys want to know 566 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: about them, you gotta. It's a it's a little you gotta. 567 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 3: This is insider football. This is Trench's football year. It's 568 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 3: not the uh, it's not the fantasy football year. In 569 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: the draft, so we'll see who the real football fans. 570 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: Are I am very happy for your success. 571 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: Thank you, Dree. I appreciate you, as I said, one 572 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 3: of the ogs in the industry and somebody who helped 573 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: me out a lot. So I appreciate you. 574 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: Just don't forget about us when you become you know, 575 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: too big. 576 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: Ah, that'll never happen. I will always do a Cardinals show. 577 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: You can, you can, you can bring this back. Everybody 578 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 3: can call me out if I don't do it. Okay, 579 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 3: I'm putting it on, putting it on, putting it on 580 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: the air, so that way you can hold me accountable. 581 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: Much appreciated. Thanks great good stuff from page. You can 582 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: follow her at the sports page. You can follow the 583 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: Draft Network at the Draft Network, by the way, that 584 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: is at the Underscore Sports page. As far as all 585 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: of their work on what is expected to be maybe 586 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of an uncertainty with this draft because 587 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of star power. We heard Daniel 588 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: derenmya earlier in our conversation mentioned something that Paige had 589 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: brought up as far as starters not stars in this draft, 590 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: and you can find someone that can be a legit 591 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: six seven eight year starter in the second third, maybe 592 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: even in the fourth round. Because of how deep it is, 593 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: but maybe you don't find that All Pro or Hall 594 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: of Famer in those rounds. 595 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: While that would be great every year to have a guarantee, 596 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 4: it's not, And that tells you how difficult it is 597 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: to scout the right type of player, and for the 598 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 4: player who might be great in college doesn't always translate 599 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: to the pros. There's a long list of players, not 600 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 4: even just quarterbacks who that applies to. So, yes, it 601 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 4: is great to have this idea. And look, maybe people 602 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 4: learned they're less than last year with the high expectations 603 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 4: of a fourth or fourth overall pick and wide receiver 604 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior, who still had a good rookie year, 605 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 4: but the expectations were so high. And I know that's 606 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 4: a specific exam given his dad is in the Hall 607 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 4: of Fame. It's just not realistic that every year your 608 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: first round, second round, third round draftic is going to 609 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: go on to be an All Pro or a six 610 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 4: time Pro bowler. So it's tough. 611 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: It's ideal, Yes, that's the hope, that's the goal when 612 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: you make that selection, but no one can foresee into 613 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: the future that far and say, oh, yeah, there's a 614 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: definitive player right there, because it's a roll of dice 615 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: for whoever you select, even with that first overall pick. 616 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: You're looking now again as we get closer and closer 617 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: to first round of the draft three weeks from today, 618 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: as we speak here on this Thursday, another person we 619 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: had a chance to catch up with at the scouting combine, 620 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: Land Zer line his latest mock draft three point zero, 621 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: has basically a familiar name because it's who he mocked 622 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: with is one point zero, and that is Alabama offensive 623 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: guard Tyler book or someone that, depending on who you read, 624 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: who you watch, who you follow, has either fallen out 625 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: of the first round or falling to the twenties, or 626 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: is right there in the middle of the first round. 627 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: But again going back to our original conversation at the 628 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: start of this show, line of scrimmage and with Booker, 629 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: it does fill a need, or at least perceived need 630 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage as far as your guard position, 631 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: specifically right guard. Unless you believe it's Isaiah Adams on 632 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: the right side and Evan Brown on the left side. 633 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 4: A conversation you and I were having was about the 634 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 4: right guard position of Isaiah Adams, a rookie last year 635 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 4: who got a significant amount of playing time. He was 636 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 4: rotating at one point with Tristan Cologne after Will Hernandez 637 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 4: went down with his season ending knee injury. The question is, okay, 638 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 4: he was good enough to end up beating out Cologne 639 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 4: for that role. Is he good enough to be your 640 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 4: starting right guard for an entire season? And then you 641 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 4: also have still a question mark at the left guard 642 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 4: position with Evan Brown, who signed a one year contract 643 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 4: to stay with Arizona this year. We were just talking 644 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 4: about the depth and long term on the defense of line. 645 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 4: The same rings true for your offensive line. And just 646 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 4: because you might feel good about who you have right now, 647 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 4: if there's a player in this draft that you feel 648 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 4: comes in and would bring in competition and make you 649 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 4: even better, you don't pass on somebody simply because you 650 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 4: feel good about what you have if that player can 651 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 4: make you even better. So that is still a discussion 652 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 4: when you're talking about interior offensive lineman being in need, whether. 653 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: That's a draft pick this year or last year's pick 654 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: in Isaiah Adams. The Cardinals also added free agent Royce Newman, 655 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: who's got experience playing guard four seasons in the League 656 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: last season with the Buccaneers twenty four career starts, twenty 657 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: one of which at right guard. So I would think 658 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: Newman and Adams right now as we speak, probably one 659 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: and two. As far as the competition, We're going to 660 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: throw another name out there because it's going to bring 661 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: a smile to your face. 662 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 4: He's a center, Craig, but are you sure? 663 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: Okay? But yeah, it's the interior of the offensive line, 664 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: and that would be John. 665 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 4: Gaines, John gains Man. I would love to see him 666 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 4: just have a stellar camp and solidify a number two role, 667 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 4: whether that is as a swing guard possibly or your 668 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 4: backup center to yell to forro Holt. That is somebody 669 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 4: who has worked hard, suffered a really gnarly knee injury 670 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 4: that final preseason game. Is a rookie year two years ago. 671 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 4: Staff liked what they saw from him last year, just 672 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 4: didn't get a lot of opportunities. That is a name, though, 673 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 4: it brings smile to my face, you know me well enough. 674 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: Again, it's whether it's the center or the guard, because 675 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: you want that versatility when you're only keeping eight to 676 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: nine offensive alignment and you're dressing seven or eight on 677 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: game day. John gains to me. Again, we haven't seen 678 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: a lot of them, but he has the versatility to 679 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: play across the line of scrimmage, and why not throw 680 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: him in the mix? Yeah, get some snaps behind for 681 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: a Holt because you're gonna need a backup in case 682 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: of an emergency. Hope you never have to use that player. 683 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: But then of course replement the guard position because you're 684 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: going to need somebody to be able to play those 685 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: three interior positions. 686 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 4: Versatility is key, especially on the offensive line. 687 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Always one more mock draft field Yates. He had a 688 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: two round mock draft and at pick sixteen offensive lineman, 689 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: the Texas offensive tackle Calvin Banks Junior, six' five three 690 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: point Fifteen first TEAM Ap All, American First Team ALL. 691 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: Sec someone that yeah we talk about going a year 692 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: ahead is, Okay, yeah you Have Paris johnson. Junior but 693 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: who's on the other, Side Joanah, williams, Uncertainty Kelvin beacham 694 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: year to. Year so what makes sense to have an offensive? 695 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: TACKLE i see a smile because you did read Field 696 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: yates is right up And i'm right there with. 697 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 4: You let me just finish. 698 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: It let me just let everyone know this is part 699 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: Of yates's right up On Kelvin Banks. Junior, again he 700 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: loves the. Player he writes this pick would allow The 701 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: cardinals to Move johnson talking About paris back to the 702 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: right side and slide In banks at left, tackle and 703 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: he Mentions field does. That banks started three full seasons 704 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: on the left side At, texas so as opposed to 705 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: having him learn a different, position you just keep him 706 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: on the left. Side, Though i'm gonna let you finish 707 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: it Because i'm in a complete agreement with what you 708 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: are about to. 709 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 4: Say that does not seem like what is realistic what 710 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 4: would happen with this? Team The cardinals Drafted Paris Johnson 711 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 4: junior to be their pillar of a left. Tackle he 712 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 4: played on the right. Side he played every snap his 713 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 4: rookie year because they still HAD Dj, Humphries so it 714 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 4: wasn't Until Yes humphries ended up getting hurt at the 715 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 4: end of that. Season his contract was up either, way 716 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 4: so the plan likely was always going to be That 717 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 4: johnson would get that, year get that, experience and then 718 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 4: slide over to the. Left, Now johnson had versatility and 719 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 4: experience playing guard tackle both sides of the line in. 720 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 4: College that left side was really where he shined brightest 721 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 4: and where he was most. COMFORTABLE i just can't see 722 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 4: the fact That johnson has only played on the left 723 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 4: side for one year and now you're going to move 724 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 4: him over to the right for another draft. Pick it 725 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 4: just doesn't seem. Realistic. Now is that something that could 726 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 4: be discussed in the. Future, sure anything is. POSSIBLE i 727 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: don't know that The cardinals necessarily feel That Jonah williams 728 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: is their long term solution at right. Tackle and they've 729 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 4: got a new offensive line coach And Justin, fry and 730 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 4: what does he feel his best for this offensive? Line 731 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 4: typically offensive lineman with the EXCEPTION i guess of a 732 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 4: first round, pick most, times it usually takes two to 733 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 4: three years to really get a feel for where they 734 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 4: are best. Now johnson is a great exception to that 735 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 4: of you were able to play him every single snap 736 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 4: his rookie year on the right, side had a good rookie, 737 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 4: year you move him over to the, left had a 738 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 4: good year on the left side as. WELL i like the. 739 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 4: IDEA i like the pick right a tackle an offensive. 740 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 4: LINEMAN i don't love the idea that it's to Keep 741 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 4: Calvin banks on the left side and you Move Paris 742 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 4: Johnson junior over to the. 743 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: Right one hundred percent. Agree and if it Is banks 744 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: that is the. Selection you, know because AS i, mentioned 745 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: three year starter at left, tackle forty two, starts he's 746 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: never played on the right, side at least he did in. 747 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: College that would be brought, Up that would be, Asked, 748 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: okay now you've got you drafted a left, tackle you 749 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: have a left tackle In Paris, johnson what do you? 750 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: Do and whether we get an answer on draft night 751 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 1: or later, On BUT i WOULD i would think, again 752 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: JUST i don't like a lot of moving parts on 753 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: the offensive, line especially if you've already Established paris on 754 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: the left, side to move him back to the, right 755 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: even though it's only been one season at left, TACKLE 756 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: i would feel more comfortable to Have Calvin banks again 757 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: behind A Jonah williams Or Calvin beacham and one on 758 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: the right. 759 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 4: Side, absolutely look anything as. Possible there's a chance if 760 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 4: this is the, pick that maybe this front office and 761 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 4: coach staff feels Like johnson is so good on both 762 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 4: sides that they can afford to move them to the 763 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 4: right and you would slide In banks on the. Left anything's. 764 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 4: Possible it's just it feels it feels like a. 765 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: Stretch, Yeah i'm right there with. You AS i, mentioned 766 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: this was a two round mock From Field, yates second, 767 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: round forty seventh Overall, cardinals go edge and Select TEXAS 768 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: a And M's Nick scowurton six, three two fifty SEVEN 769 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: A Junior First Team ALL. Sec and here's where you 770 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: address not maybe the defensive, line but that edge. Rusher because, 771 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: again as we talked, about, yeah you've Got Josh, wett 772 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: you Got Baron, browning but if you can land someone 773 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: like A scourton who has the ability to get to the, 774 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: quarterback now all of a, sudden you've got yourself a 775 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: pretty good. Rotation plus you've addressed the future twenty, six 776 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty eight knock on wood that that 777 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: would be someone that you could pencil in each and every. 778 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 4: Season, absolutely when you're looking, up when you're looking at 779 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 4: how this defensive line has been short, up that's going 780 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 4: to have a direct impact on the edge rushers that 781 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 4: outside linebackers. Room it's going to give them that ability 782 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 4: to kind of just let it rip and get back 783 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 4: to the, quarterback maybe more so than they were able 784 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 4: to this previous, season just because stopping the run was 785 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 4: difficult at. 786 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: Times so, again three weeks from today as we speak 787 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: here On, thursday the twenty twenty FIVE Nfl, draft and 788 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: we ARE i can now see the light at the 789 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: end of the. TUNNEL a little. Bit earlier in the, 790 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: offseason it seemed a long long ways, away and the 791 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: fact that we kept talking about, it but now it's getting. 792 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: Closer you've got people or you've got players that have been, 793 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: signed so maybe you can narrow the focus just a 794 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 1: little bit on what The cardinals might position might target position, 795 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: wise not just with the first, pick but there are 796 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: five additional. 797 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 4: Picks, absolutely you're getting close to the cutoff point of 798 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 4: being able to bring in players for workouts or pro 799 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 4: days and all of that. Stuff, yeah we're inching close 800 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 4: to the finish. 801 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: Line can't. 802 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 4: Wait we're going to have a lot of podcasts that draft. 803 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 4: Weekend tell you what work on the? 804 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: Voice save your? Voice what do you do to strengthen your? 805 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 3: VOICE i don't do. 806 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 4: Anything knock, on what SHOULD i be doing? 807 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: Something? No if you, hey if you haven't done anything 808 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: at this, point don't start, now because then you can 809 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: just kind of ruin. 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