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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two and twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and today in the podcast, we're talking about the joys

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Speaker 1: and challenges and lessons learned and hopes and dreams and

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Speaker 1: fears of raising an outdoor kid. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx.

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Speaker 1: And today in the show, before we do anything else,

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Speaker 1: I want to read you a few reviews of the

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt podcast. Ready for this, Dan, There there are.

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Speaker 1: There are over one thousand, eight hundred five star reviews

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Speaker 1: of this podcast. I'm proud to say. But yeah, but

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Speaker 1: we've got a couple of doozyes thrown in there too

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to share. For for example, quote enough

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Speaker 1: of the family talk. If I wanted to learn how

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Speaker 1: to be a father, I listened to a different podcast

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Speaker 1: and end quote. Or or how about this one quote?

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Speaker 1: It would be five stars. But the obnoxious guy won't

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Speaker 1: shut up about his kids, so annoying. Oh man, this

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Speaker 1: is just building my confidence. These are these are just

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Speaker 1: a few of the rave reviews that we've gotten about

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Speaker 1: our parenting related talks, Dann. So since people are asking

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Speaker 1: for it, I thought we'd doubled down on the family talk.

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Speaker 1: Good idea, right, Oh yeah, I can't wait till these

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Speaker 1: people they're they're so excited. Here's the Wired podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: on my phone. It's about freaking kids. Are you know

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Speaker 1: one star review? Now? Are those one star reviews? I

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Speaker 1: think there were two star reviews, those two we have it.

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Speaker 1: We haven't done our job then, yeah. Yeah, But thankfully, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: there's been actually a lot more positive feedback about about

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Speaker 1: these kinds of talks in our urbs sessions where we

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Speaker 1: kind of share our everyday life stories and struggles and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: And um, for a long time it was just you

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Speaker 1: with the kids. But now I've got a little bundle

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Speaker 1: of joy and um that's got me thinking about all

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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff too, And especially most recently here,

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Speaker 1: I've been out on this several week excursion with my

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Speaker 1: like that. So I had this idea, Dan, and in

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Speaker 1: this too. But I thought we could just talk about

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Speaker 1: this whole idea of raising an outdoor kid, and um,

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Speaker 1: talking through our experiences so far, more so your experiences

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Speaker 1: my friend Andy Bradley is going to join us. He

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Speaker 1: has a seven year old and a nine year old boy. UM,

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Speaker 1: that all three of us want our kids to grow up,

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Speaker 1: I guess from where we are. Um, so I'm five

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Speaker 1: like five and a half five and a half A right,

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Speaker 1: Andy's nine years in with two kids. So we can

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Speaker 1: dan Um. Before we do all that, though, I do

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Speaker 1: like congratulations, Dan, am I allowed to do that. I

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Speaker 1: do it, then then yes, you can do it. This

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Speaker 1: has been decades in the making, ladies and gentlemen. This

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Speaker 1: man has come from the bottom to the top. He

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Speaker 1: everything to inspire him to be what he is now,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the leaders in the hunting community

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Speaker 1: and the white tail space as a communicator, as a podcaster.

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Speaker 1: It is my privilege to announce to you that Dan

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Speaker 1: nine fingers Johnson was named the two thousand eighteen Quality

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Speaker 1: Dear Management Association Communicator of the Year. Congrats, dude, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, man, I appreciate that. Was that was

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Speaker 1: up to par and uh if you did, proud of you,

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Speaker 1: That was really good. By the way. That was all

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Speaker 1: ed lib Man just came to me, just came to me.

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Speaker 1: But as this is and this is the first and

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Speaker 1: Communicator of the Year. There, I'm just following your footsteps, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Well you're doing you're doing awesome stuff, man, so well deserved.

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Speaker 1: It's been it's been awesome to see what you're doing

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Speaker 1: with nine Finger Chronicles and the podcasts and Sportsman's Nation

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Speaker 1: and giving back to qt May and two percent for

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Speaker 1: Conservation and all the things you're doing to make sure

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Speaker 1: are welcome, and um, if you could please refer to

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Speaker 1: rest of our relationship. I appreciate that there's my little snowball,

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Speaker 1: That's so cool though, man, Um, it's a bummer that

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Speaker 1: proud regardless. Yeah. Man, that's awesome, great organization, great people

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Speaker 1: good stuff up in the future. So that's exciting. Anything else,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all my news as far as my life

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Speaker 1: is just kids related. Now. I've been out doing this

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Speaker 1: I think I think the water is probably the first

430
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: thing that really because they can there's just I don't

431
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: know what it is about the water, but it just

432
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: draws them to it. So probably that you've kind of

433
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: I feel like you've kind of done the same thing. Damn,

434
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: would you say, because I've I've seen you guys taking

435
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: the kids out a lot fishing. Yeah, And I think

436
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: it's what's easy first, right, being quiet in a turkey

437
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: blind or in a tree stand is not easy to do, right,

438
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: So anything where they can be loud and they can

439
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: show their excitement. And when they're young, like my my

440
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: son is three now and my daughter's five, and you know,

441
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: just like their dad, they're both loud and and and

442
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: so they are. They get excited when they see like

443
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: a water bug or the bomber goes under the water,

444
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: they scream in there. And that you have to capitalize

445
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: on that. I feel you can't tell them maybe quiet,

446
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: be quiet. You gotta oh that's awesome, good job, you know,

447
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff and get him excited about the little things.

448
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: And then I think, as those little things get just

449
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: as even this time of year. Example two years ago

450
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: is when I started taking my daughter with me on

451
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: these nighttime drives looking for deer out in the fields.

452
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: Hand them the binoculars. It's not about you looking at

453
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: the deer, it's about them holding it, even if they're

454
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: looking at the wrong way, and you have these pretend

455
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: conversations with them, right like, hey, what do you see,

456
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: oh dad, that's a big buck. Dad. You know, it's

457
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: not about you know, it's not about at all. It's

458
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: probably a dog or a piece of wood out in

459
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: the field. But but they're excited about it, and that's

460
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: what you have to capitalize on. I feel, yeah, I've

461
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: got I've got a niece or several nieves, three nieces

462
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: now who who all whenever they come to my house,

463
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: they want to look at the deer mounts, or look

464
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: at the shed antlers, or I've got binoculars on my

465
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: back window. We're you know, we're always looking at the

466
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: fields behind the house. Same thing. And they always put

467
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: the binoculars the wrong way and look through the big

468
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: holes and always I don't mind. You know, they can't

469
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: see anything, but just like you said, Dan, they'll they'll

470
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, I see it, I see imagination.

471
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, that's it's so much fun. I agree,

472
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: it's like and I guess I have got a little

473
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: bit of training with with my nieces because it's been

474
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: neat to see them from little aty biddies to now

475
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: the oldest is I don't know, seven or eight, and

476
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: getting to introduce them to, you know, just what I

477
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: do and talking about like when we eat venison, when

478
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: they come visit, talk about that, and tell them the

479
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: stories about all the different you know things I'm doing.

480
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: How we got this, what this deer? You know where

481
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: this deer was, and pointing out this one and we're

482
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: like back during the hunting seasons sometimes like we would

483
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: babysit them, um and you know, you know Dan, how

484
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: often I would have my wife come pick me up

485
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: on that one property drive the truck through the corn

486
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: So sometimes she would bring all the nieces with her,

487
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: so they'd be all piled in the truck and then

488
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: come driving the truck into the cornfield. And then I

489
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: come sneaking up to the truck to hop in the

490
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: back and then Kylie opened the window and all three

491
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: girls start screaming at the top of their lungs, like Mark,

492
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: like no quiet, right, Holy fields here. Uh but yeah,

493
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff. I'm I can see how

494
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: just introducing them those kinds of ways, um makes a

495
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. And there's a lot of fun um.

496
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: But I want to talk more about fishing. Give me,

497
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: give me some more advice from both of you guys

498
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: as far as introducing kids to fishing, because that's gonna

499
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: be top on top of my mind, and I'm already

500
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: thinking I probably want to just introduce Everett to fishing

501
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: by going on like a seven day float trip fly fishing. Um, Right,

502
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: that's the right way to do it, right, something a

503
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: little hard, more hardcore, maybe like you could parachute in

504
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: or something. Maybe the Yukon River going through Alaska. I mean,

505
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, do it right, You don't exactly

506
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: in all seriousness though, someday, Andy, how cool it be

507
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: to take our boys back on that float trip that

508
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: we did in Montana last summer, Right? I thought about

509
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: that ever since we went Dude, Yeah, yeah, Son and

510
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: go oh man, Dude, that's the place. Yeah. Remember when

511
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: I did that pack rafting trip last summer, Dan, that

512
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: was with Andy, Um, and that would be I mean,

513
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: if the kids did learn how to fly fish, that

514
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: would be an amazing place to take him because there

515
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: were just so many fish and they were so eager

516
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: to feed. But um, that's a long ways down the

517
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: road for me at least. But yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

518
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: But back to the beginning though, give me a talk.

519
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: How did you end up getting the boys into fishing? Andy?

520
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: Any uh, any lessons learned there? What was the story? Yeah? Absolutely,

521
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: it's gonna go a direction. You weren't thinking ice fishing.

522
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: That's it. It's the easiest thing. And I know you're

523
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna say so, You're gonna say no flies and there's

524
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: no orbust or nothing. But I'm telling you, set him

525
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: on a bucket with that flasher in front of them,

526
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: and they are hooked. My kids have zero video games,

527
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: so the closest thing to a video game they have

528
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: is my VEX slide that flashes in front of them.

529
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: Were ice fishing in the shanty. So that that was

530
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: how my kid got hooked. Because it's it's that easy.

531
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: You can find him in shallow water and they're sitting

532
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: right over top of them, and you know they're there,

533
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: but you aren't gonna fish, probably at least the first

534
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: three years when you're taking them, because they're not real

535
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: equipped to take all those responsibilities on. They kind of

536
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: they require a lot of help. Well yeah, and like

537
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: how do you manage just the elements? I mean you

538
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: just you bring him in the shanty, bund them up

539
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: with a thousand layers and just let them play. Well,

540
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: that's what just like Dan was saying a little bit earlier.

541
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: It's not they're not. I was really hardcore. I feel

542
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: like I was when I was a kid, and I

543
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: feel like I was into it. But I was probably

544
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: just exactly like my oldest son. Probably as time goes by,

545
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: I'm starting to realize that I probably was just like him.

546
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: But a lot of the time they're just playing like out, we'll,

547
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: we'll be bundled up, we take the shanty, I set

548
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: the shandy up, I set their rods up. I don't

549
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: even set one up for myself because I'm not capable

550
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: of work in mine and helping them. So I just

551
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: sit between them and they catch a few fish, and

552
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: after an hour, if they're not biting really good, they're

553
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: ready to and then next thing you know, they're they're

554
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: outside the shandy. I can hear him wrestling whatever two

555
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: brothers do. They're fighting and doing whatever they do. But

556
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: that's the hardest part is to just and And I

557
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: don't have that Mark knows this. I'm not the stand

558
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: and watch kind of guy. I'm more of a hands on,

559
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: let's do this, let's do and and I have to

560
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: just take a step back because they want to do

561
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: what they want to do. And I feel like, and

562
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: I've always tried to describe like how they get to

563
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: know and anything that that we do. I try to

564
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: make it as organic as possible. I don't try to

565
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: push them and make them and force them. I just

566
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: let them do what they want to do. And if

567
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: sometimes when we're fishing, an hour of its fishing or less,

568
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: and the other two hours they're out chasing each other

569
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: and throwing snowballs, I guess you know they're having fun.

570
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a memory that they can have

571
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: when they get older. It's a good experience. And I hope,

572
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, I hopefully that that you know translates to

573
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to do it more as they get older

574
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: and they're more focused on it. And if you know what, though,

575
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: when you have kids, you realize that as long as

576
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: you have them, if they want to throw snowballs, go

577
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: fishing and throw snowballs the whole time, as long as

578
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: they want to go, you'll be happy for them to

579
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: do that. You know. Yeah, what what is the evolution been?

580
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Have you seen? Like, yeah, since you started doing that

581
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: with with them, are they you know, have they picked

582
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: it up the way you hope they would do? They

583
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: want to go ice fishing or fishing on the lake

584
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: and stuff. Now are they getting more into the actual

585
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: fishing part of it? Like have you seen that grow

586
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: at all? Or what's that look like? It kind of

587
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: comes and goes, Man, it really wavers. Some days they're

588
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: into it and they want to do it for hours,

589
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: and other days they just want to goof off. And

590
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I don't know if so,

591
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: it's definitely progressed now, like I can. It's at the

592
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: point where I LEVI we just like we actually went

593
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: fishing yesterday and he's got his own open face, you know,

594
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: he he doesn't have zep CO two oh two anymore.

595
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: It's he's done open face and cast it, you know,

596
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: and all that jazz. You know. He can take the

597
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: fish off the hook, he can do anything that he

598
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: needs to do, put the bait on. But it definitely

599
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: has progressed. But there's times where you go, You're like,

600
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I want him to just fish, but sometimes he just

601
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: wants to google. He was fascinated yesterday after we fished

602
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: and didn't do very well, we pulled he pulled a

603
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: lily pad up and it was about twelve ft long

604
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: and the stock of it was and that was a

605
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: that was a fascination. We had to talk about for

606
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty minutes. But it's still it's still a blast.

607
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: But back to what you were saying, Yeah, I definitely

608
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: think they've progressed, you know, but I I don't want

609
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: to push him, but I think they have progressed. Yeah.

610
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: Do you think that it is either one of them

611
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: more into it than the other, Luke versus Levi, or

612
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: they both kind of the same place. They both have

613
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: their own little uh niches where they kind of fit in.

614
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: So Lukey is the youngest one and he's the baby,

615
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: so that's why he's Lukey. But um, he's like we

616
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: call him the slops okay, so his his mentality is

617
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: totally different. Levi is a hummingbird and and lukey' is

618
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: a slapt So we when we have different activities, that

619
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: one of them. So trapping is Lukey think he absolutely

620
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: loves it. And it's perfect because he's methodical and everything

621
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: he does in his life, he's slow. He just takes

622
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: his time and I've learned that from him. Why we

623
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: I take him? It's like, there's no reason to hurry,

624
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: just take your time. And and he loves trapping, and

625
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: Levi not so much. It's not ac ipact enough. I

626
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: don't think it doesn't you know, really get him, get

627
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: him charged up. And Levi wants to fish and do

628
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: things like that. And Luke likes love sitting in a

629
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: true stand Leavi not so much. He wants to play

630
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: on my phone. And if we sit in a deer

631
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: blind for too long, and it's like, so I think

632
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: they you know, definitely have to navigate different you know,

633
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: paths for each one of them because they they have

634
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: different interests or interests in different uh you know, different

635
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: things that they like. I guess, yeah, that's kinda be

636
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: so cool to see those different unique interests. Grill though, Yeah,

637
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: that's crazy. What about you, Dan, What are you seeing

638
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: from the kids so far as far as their interests

639
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: in this stuff? I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm sure Knox

640
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: is really the big outdoors of the minority. But what

641
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: about the altar two? No, it's it's it's cool to

642
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: see this because she gave us five. Now. So when

643
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: she was too, you know, she would we would go

644
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: fishing for blue gills and she would basically just be

645
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: sitting on my lap and I would she would maybe

646
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: hold the pole and reel in. To last summer, she would,

647
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, she was four, and she you know, she

648
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: could start reeling the fish in when the bobera would

649
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: go under water. And now this year, oh my god,

650
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: the last time we went fishing, she did not want

651
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: to leave. And I was pretty pumped about that. I mean,

652
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: she is putting the worm on the hook, she is casting,

653
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: she's reeling it in when it goes under. She can't

654
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: take the fish off by herself quite yet, but she

655
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: is gun hoe about fishing. And it's just been the

656
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: thing that I've been doing is letting her do all

657
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: of this at her own speed. Because um, she would

658
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: want a real like three years ago, she would want

659
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: a reel, or two years ago, she just reel just

660
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: real the whole time, and real and real and real,

661
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: and it's not even enough time for the worm to

662
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: sink yet. And I'm just like, no, sweetie, don't do that.

663
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You gotta let it sit. And

664
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: then she would go and she wouldn't want to do

665
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: it anymore. So then when we would go fishing, I

666
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: didn't care if the bomber went under one time. I

667
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: just let her reel in every time. Did you get one? No?

668
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: I didn't get one, Dad, Okay, Well maybe just try

669
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: letting the letting the bomber sit there for a little bit. Okay, okay,

670
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: I'll try, Dad, And then they and then she would

671
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: realize that you have to let it sit there for

672
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: just a second, and then it would go over. And

673
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I think what really got her hooked was the being

674
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: able to just play around with some of the stuff

675
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: like the worms, hold the worms in her hand and

676
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: just play around and look at them and get dirty

677
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: and in some and being in some clear water. We

678
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: have a pond that we fish and it's crystal clear

679
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: water and you can see the fish swim up to

680
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: the to the worm and pull the bomber under and

681
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: that is and the kids get a really big kick

682
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: out of that. So that that's how go ahead. I

683
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: was just gonna ask Dan the milestone. This is a

684
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: huge milestone in our house. The hook sat. Yeah, that happened.

685
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: It was like when people potty train, Like he sets

686
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: the hook. I called my wife when he sets the

687
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: hook knowledge like, you don't have to. He catches his

688
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: own fish when he when he set the hook, it

689
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: was his own fish. Things you get proud of when

690
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: you have kids. That's right, people, But we had to

691
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: have a talk about that because my my wife dad

692
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: is a huge angler, huge fit bass fisherman, and when

693
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: he sets the hook, it's almost like he's trying to

694
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: rip a manhole cover off of a street, just like

695
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: and he just he rips. Like the the term ripping

696
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: lips literally happens, you know when you when you're real

697
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: in it's just the lips of a fish on a hook.

698
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: Because he's setting the hook so hard. So my my

699
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: daughter is trying to mimic him, and she's just ripping.

700
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: It almost throws the pole so fall over, so I'm like, sweetie,

701
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: you don't have to do what grandpa does. Just really

702
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: in the pool. You're gonna be fine. Now, what about

703
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: what about Mac? What's his interest on the fishing side.

704
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: Is he getting yet? I saw that he was like

705
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: watching your I think it was your father in law

706
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: cleaning fish the other day. Up is that? Is he

707
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: getting into it? He's kind of on the same pace,

708
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: I would say, just a little bit behind. He doesn't

709
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: like to touch the fish or touch the worms as

710
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: much as Ava did. But um, he caught his I'm

711
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: gonna say he caught it his first fished. Uh. My

712
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: father in law threw the bober out bluegill, took it

713
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: under and uh then he he kind of helped reel

714
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: it into to the shore and then he got his

715
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: picture taken with it, and he was pretty pumped about that.

716
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: But he was um. This last fishing trip was kind

717
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: of a milestone because he used to be afraid of

718
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: worms and touching the fish and stuff like that. But

719
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: now when sister would catch a fish and he needed

720
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: or she needed a new worm for her hook, he

721
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: would get the worm for her. So they had kind

722
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: of a system worked out. I'll get you the worm,

723
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: you catch the fish and then I'll get you another

724
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: worm and tready. So whatever he wanted to do, whether

725
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: it was just real like she did a couple of

726
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: years ago, it's like she's he's two years behind where

727
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: she's at and he's three. So um, you know it's

728
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: it's always And I don't know about you, Andy, but

729
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: when you had your first boy, like having a boy,

730
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like if my daughter didn't want to go hunting

731
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: or fishing, you know, there's a part of me that's

732
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: just like, ah, oh well, but when you have it's

733
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: like you have these expectations for my my son, and

734
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: maybe you do to Mark with your first child being

735
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: a boy, where it's like, Okay, he's a boy. He's

736
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: gonna hunt, he's gonna fish, he's gonna do all these

737
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: things and and you know, hell he may be into

738
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, designing clothes. Yeah. That and Mark said, it's

739
00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: a very good chance. There's the really, Mark, I know

740
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: it's usually not recorded what I'm insulting you usually, so

741
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: please let its on the record. But but yeah, I'm

742
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: sure you probably felt the same way too, Andy into Yeah,

743
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: for sure, man, it's it's a wild ride, for sure.

744
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 1: What what about the you mentioned trapping that Luke, he's

745
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: really been into that. How how did you go about that?

746
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: What's the process introducing them to that whole that whole deal.

747
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, maybe it's certain personalities, but

748
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the first things that I

749
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: can remember doing with my dad, and it's something I mean,

750
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 1: there's a million different things you can try to trap.

751
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: I mean, different ways of water, if different things, and

752
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: if you how I would describe, just from my point

753
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: of view, trapping. My dad told me when I was

754
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: a kid, he said, when we're trapping, we're trapped muscats

755
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: and mink and all different kinds of stuff. But it's

756
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: like Christmas morning, he said, you go up there and

757
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: that it's like every time you unwrapped the present Christmas morning,

758
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: and it it was like that to me, like it

759
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: didn't start out that way. But with my younger son,

760
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: he who loves it. I mean, when we go check traps,

761
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean we and you got to check them every day.

762
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: And there were some some traps that I would check

763
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: and these are things that I didn't know i'd have

764
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: to do until I had kids. Some of them are

765
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 1: kind of a painting, you know, in the butt to

766
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: to check. So I would check all those in the

767
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: morning at four thirty in the morning, before before work.

768
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: But if I had like drounding sets or things like that,

769
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: or kind of bears that it's you know, that they

770
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: could be checked in the afternoon. I would say, all

771
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: those traps and I would find myself actually setting traps

772
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: that maybe weren't real. I'd like thehood of catching something,

773
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: but if they were, it would be in areas where

774
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: I could use conna. Bears are different things, so I

775
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: could come back and check them with the kids. And

776
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: there was many times where I would catch stuff in

777
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: the morning and then I wouldn't mess with it. I

778
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: just want to work and come back. And obviously these

779
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: these you know, animals are dead, so it's not like

780
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: they were suffering or anything like that all day. But

781
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: I would come back in the afternoon and you know,

782
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: play dumb. We'd come driving up and I'd let him

783
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: get in front of me and oh and he'd run out,

784
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, and those kind of things like that. I

785
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: mean that he just he lives for the coon trapping

786
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: and you know, mink. Mink is the funnest I think

787
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: he likes that the best because they leave a little

788
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: you know sign in the mud and different things like that,

789
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: or in the snow it's you know, snow on the ground.

790
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of clues to look for. And

791
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: even if there's not a lot of clues, like you

792
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: were saying, then you can talk about the bug being

793
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: the coolest thing in the world. You can you can

794
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: turn it into fun no matter what. You can find

795
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: something that you know, look at these tracks over here,

796
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: what do you think this is? And they and it's

797
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: to the point now where like my little boys are

798
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: the little sponges of information, Like what do you think

799
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: that is? That's the raccoon trap. For sure. You can

800
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: see different things, you know, different his feet look like this,

801
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: and if it was a possible, it would have this,

802
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: So that I think trapping is a really good one

803
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: to uh for them to you know, see the wild world,

804
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: like like I do. I guess, yeah, I know nothing

805
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: about trapping, so I'm leaning on you here. And um,

806
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned few things that stuff to me, like just

807
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: the way that you know, you're setting some traps now

808
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: not necessary for their effectiveness, but more so for like

809
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: the ability to get there with the kids and that

810
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Is there anything else that you've learned

811
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: to that's helped you as far as like, if someone

812
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: else was listening and they want to introduce their kids

813
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: to trapping, any other things that you kind of picked

814
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: up along the way that you'd recommend. Yeah, I mean

815
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: trapping is one of those things. Everything is now there's

816
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: an unlimited resource on the internet for any you can

817
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: cook on YouTube and watch one after another after another

818
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: different methods people are doing to catch, you know, different things.

819
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: But muskrat traps. Man, if you've got muskrats, and then

820
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: granted they're not worth a whole lot of money, but

821
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: they might be the kind of thing to get your

822
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: kid hooked on the outdoors for the rest of his life.

823
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: So there worth something you know that way. But you

824
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: can trap muscrats on a little pond, almost every little

825
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: pond you could ever finds them, and you can trap

826
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: them with a one time kind of bear. There's no

827
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, even if it's somebody that's never trapped before,

828
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: you can't really screw up the counter bear. If the

829
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: cond of bear goes off something in it, it must

830
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: got that tenant. He's dead. So and those are you know,

831
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: just stuff like that. You can't You got to not

832
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: be afraid to just go do it. I guess, you know,

833
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: go do it and try it and get on YouTube

834
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: if you have to, you know what I mean. Books obviously,

835
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: but this this brings up another thing, um that as

836
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: hunters too, will I think I think you've probably had

837
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: this already happened Dan, I'm sure you have, Andy, But

838
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: I know it's like I imagine it would be an

839
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: interesting thing when you first introduced the child to a

840
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: dead animal, Like, how will they process that? What that means? Um?

841
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: What was that like for you Andy, whether it was

842
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: that was trapping, was that with the deer hunting? You

843
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: know what? How have you approached all that? Well? I

844
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: have there's one that kind of stands out in my

845
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: mind and I kind of have a picture of that

846
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: same day that kind of reminds me of every time

847
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: I see it. But I think LEVI was probably our

848
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: oldest is probably he was probably two and a half maybe,

849
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: and I had killed a deer, shot a deer behind

850
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: the house. There's a little bit snow on the ground,

851
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: and uh, I took him out there with me, and

852
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: so he was like, I mean he's less than two

853
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: ft tall. He's just a little I got him all

854
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: bundled up, and it's cold out, you know, and it's

855
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: and i'd already know the DearS down. It's kind of

856
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: similar to the track being setting it up for him

857
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: and the years down. And I actually drug it to

858
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: this little two track that I could drive too. And

859
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: I hadn't got it the deer yet. So I come

860
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: back to the house and I bundle him all up

861
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: and I go, you know, the whole song and dance

862
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: I shot a deer, and I don't know if we're

863
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna be able to find it and this and that,

864
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: and he's just like three years old. He's talking blabb

865
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: and you know, he wants to go, and so we

866
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: get them all dressed up, you know, and he goes

867
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: out there with me and we we quote unquote find

868
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: the deer and he's really excited. Man, he's just like

869
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that was the first experience

870
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: you've had was something that was dead, but I can

871
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: distinctly remember he was watching and I say, all right,

872
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to you know, I'm gonna get the

873
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: steer and now we're gonna feel dressed it, and so

874
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, yeah, and he's just kind of watching

875
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: there and I start to feel dressed the deer and

876
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: I opened this dough up and he I hear him say,

877
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm getting back in the truck, Dad, even as he

878
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: thought like he wasn't quite ready for that yet, and

879
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't. He wasn't freaked out, and there's been no

880
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: lingering effects of that trauma that I put him through.

881
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: But he's standing there just like I mean, he's just

882
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: this little baby staying there, all bundled up. Well, I'm

883
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: getting back in the truck, Dad, And he goes back

884
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: to the truck. I let him back in the truck

885
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: and I go back out there. I'm like, that's one

886
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: of those moments where it just goes through your mind.

887
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: You're like, man, am I gonna regret that later? I don't.

888
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: But there was no ill effects. He's fine. He's but

889
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: we have like a hobby farm kind of a thing

890
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: going out of our house too, so that kind of

891
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: helps we have. I think it's important that kids to

892
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: get to see, you know, how where food comes from.

893
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: So and that that's something I've always been very much,

894
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to make that very available to

895
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: them to see, you know a lot of people and

896
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: talk about that with with them. That a lot of

897
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: people like that guy on that sign right there, smiling

898
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: eating that hamburger. And people don't like hunting, but they

899
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: don't mind people eating hamburgers. And you know, it doesn't

900
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: make sense that people, you know, and just that whole

901
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: song and dance that you've heard a million times that

902
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, that animal lives, it's a free life, it

903
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: lives the life that it was intended until maybe thirty

904
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: seconds thirty seconds of whatever it is we're eating has

905
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: anything to do with the human while it's alive. And

906
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: that cow, it's entire existence stood there. You know, not

907
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: that I'm against farming, because I don't want to sound

908
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: like I am at all, but I just we make

909
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: it very clear. My wife's very onboard with it too,

910
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: that that the best is part of life. That's that's

911
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, everything's gonna die, and we're you know, we're

912
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: taking advantage of the resources that we can get our

913
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: hands on, you know, and it's it's not anything that

914
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: we don't take serious. But at the same time, you know,

915
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 1: it's been it's been all positive. I think I don't.

916
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: I don't think I can think of at the time

917
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: that Lukey was exposed to time is something that, like

918
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: I said, we've always got pigs that are getting ready.

919
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean they nicknamed their pigs, you know how kids

920
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: will name their pigs that we we had pigs that

921
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: were and they're not four age pigs or show pigs

922
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: or any of that. They're just gonna be going in

923
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: the freezer. And we talked about it the entire time,

924
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: and they're probably four, maybe four and three, maybe three

925
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: and five when we first they first had one, they

926
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: named their pigs bacon and sausage, so they kind of

927
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: have a grip on it at this point. I mean,

928
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to insult anybody, but I my five

929
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: and seven or seven and nine year olds have a

930
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: better grip on where their food comes from than a

931
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: lot of people. So, you know, I think it can

932
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: be a really good lesson for for the rest of

933
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: your life about you know, your relationship with food. Do

934
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: so no, like I I'm blabbing on now, but it's uh,

935
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't have any real bad stories for do you hopefully?

936
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: Do you think that do you think the key though

937
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: to having them so comfortable with that was then just

938
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: the fact that you had them exposed to it early

939
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: and often, and then that you can't just explain aimed

940
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: it as you went. Would you say, that's kind of

941
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: what's been like the key of that success? Do you think? Yeah?

942
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: I think I think so, because we've had a lot

943
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: of I mean they've had a lot of experience. We

944
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 1: do process a lot of you know, wild game and here,

945
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: and they're they're into that, like the idea of getting

946
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: our own food and and things like that. Is they

947
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: like that idea of eating fish. That would be the

948
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: first thing that like, I don't know what it is

949
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: about fish, but they don't. Nobody's like, oh that poor fish.

950
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: When you're cleaning the fish for some reason, and whenever

951
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: something has for people tend to do that. But I

952
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: mean my kids and like I said, me and Dan

953
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: have talked about we were talking about no no pressure

954
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: on them at all, but Luke will help me clean

955
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: like when we're skinning. For instance, we had uh a

956
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: couple of links that we caught one day and we

957
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: went down to the basement and it was bedtime and

958
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: this is something my wife was actually we were talking

959
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: about yesterday at our house. We there's no Martin knows

960
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: this bedtime is kind fluid with the brad Lea's I

961
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: think everything is, yeah, pretty much. But no, if they're

962
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: doing something that we in our minds deemed like productive,

963
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: they don't have to go to beat or they don't

964
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: have to take a napper. It doesn't have to be

965
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: dinner time. For like, if if we're working on something outside,

966
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: if we're messing with the pigs, or if we're if

967
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm skinning a deer, or if I'm tracking a deer

968
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: or anything like that. They if they're just playing outside,

969
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: if that's if that's what it is, they don't have

970
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: to come in to go to bed if they're outside

971
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: and enjoying it outside. Now, if they're inside watching TV,

972
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: like if they want to watch TV, and they asked

973
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: him that sometimes we let him. If it's eight o'clock,

974
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: it's like all right, the bedtime, and like we'll go outside,

975
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: we'll go outside, We'll go outside. And they know that

976
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: at this point. But if even with like skinning the

977
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: mink in the basement downstairs, if if if Luke wants

978
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: to do that, when I had a bunch of stuff

979
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: that I wanted to skin and I started working on it.

980
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: And Becca is real good about it. She doesn't have

981
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: a problem with with them coming down there, and if

982
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: they want to stay down there and if they're engaged

983
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: and whatever is going on, if they just want to

984
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: play in the basement, you know, off in the other room,

985
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, in time for bad guys, but if they're

986
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: engaged in there and and something you know that that

987
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: they can be learning about, we just let it roll

988
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: and let them, let them continue to do that until

989
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: they lose interest in it, and when they're ready to go,

990
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: be done, you know, hopefully. And that in particular night

991
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: I skinned I don't know, I think to mink and

992
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, a couple of coons or something. And

993
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: he was down there the whole time he was helping.

994
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: He was hanging onto this and hanging onto that, you know,

995
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: and it took me three times as long to skin

996
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: them all because he wanted to help. But you know,

997
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: that's something that we try to do, is make sure

998
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: that we don't you know, hamper their interest in something

999
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: by something like bedtime, right, Yeah, something arbitrary. It's funny.

1000
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: That's such a good point. That's that's something that my

1001
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: parents did. My dad especially with me, that I think

1002
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: really helped me get into the things that I'm into.

1003
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: He always later in years, he would always say that

1004
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: I always just knew how to feed the habit, always

1005
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: feed the habit. So if ever I was showing any

1006
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: interest in like hunting or fishing of the outdoor is

1007
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: he would, you know, he would always help feed that habit. So,

1008
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: like you said, he would never stop him. He would

1009
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: never if I if I want to go out for

1010
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: the weekend to go hunting, he wouldn't. You know. He

1011
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: put aside things because that was always something he prioritized.

1012
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: Or if he if he was gonna spoil me to something,

1013
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: it was gonna be hunting gear or fishing gear, like

1014
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: he would he would. He he was really tough in

1015
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but when it came to like

1016
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: a new fishing pole or something like that, he's like, well,

1017
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: I'll feed the habit for this one special thing. Um.

1018
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: And I think you know that was something whatever it

1019
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 1: was helped encourage it. Yeah, and it it certainly worked.

1020
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: He fed the habit to what's now an obsession across

1021
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: the board for me. Um what so, Yeah, that was

1022
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: a that was a tip I've kept with me. Um Dan,

1023
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: what about you? Back to what would originally asked Andy

1024
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: about though, when it comes to introducing them or exposing

1025
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: them to you know, to death a dead animal something

1026
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: like that. What's what's that been like for you and

1027
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: the kids. Yeah, so I'm pretty blunt with him right

1028
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: at the beginning. I mean I tell them that if

1029
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: we're eating meat an animal dies fly, you know, like

1030
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: a spider will eat a fly, a snake will eat

1031
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: a frog or a mouse, and we will eat a deer.

1032
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: And I've kind of compared what we do with other

1033
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: things in nature, right, So, uh and then uh, this

1034
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: past turkey season was a perfect example. I'm you know,

1035
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: I shot my turkey. There was blood involved, and I

1036
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: took the turkey back home and I was, you know,

1037
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: cleaning the meat off of it and whatnot. And my

1038
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: daughter was sitting there and kind of watching me do it.

1039
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: And instead of just like doing it, I kind of

1040
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: explained to her and I showed her, Hey, look at this,

1041
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna turn this into turkey nuggets, or we're gonna

1042
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: turn this into something or you know something, or hey,

1043
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna make fish sticks out of this fish. Or something,

1044
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: and then she relates it to food, and that way,

1045
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: when we do have supper or eat that meat, then

1046
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: she can have a conversation with me. She's like, oh, Dad,

1047
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: you shot this buck, didn't you. Now we're gonna eat it. Yeah? Yeah,

1048
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh hey Dad, is this the fish that I caught? Yes,

1049
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: it is. It is the fish that you caught, you know,

1050
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: and and and and so that you can have those conversations.

1051
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: But man, we've I followed a blood trail with her

1052
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: before my stepdad shot up Um shot a deer a

1053
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: while back. It was not this season, but the last season,

1054
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: and I had her. We kind of walked through the timber,

1055
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: followed the blood and talked to her about how I

1056
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: mean I got Sometimes it's best to be really detailed

1057
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: about it. Um. That way, it's almost like it goes

1058
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: over their head a little bit, but they're they're engaged

1059
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: with you still, like, yeah, he put that arrow right

1060
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: through the vitals, and loss of blood is gonna gonna

1061
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: stop it, and and and you know all this stuff.

1062
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: And they look at you a little confused, but they're like, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

1063
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, even though they don't they don't really

1064
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: understand that. You know, we found the buck. There's blood

1065
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: in it, and she's like, Dad, is that buck? Is

1066
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: that buck dead? Yeah? It's dead. Grandpa shot it. Okay,

1067
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: Now what are we going to do? I'm like, well,

1068
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: do you want to sit here and watch us? You know,

1069
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: we have to take its guts out, because we're gonna

1070
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: take the guts out so it doesn't ruin the meat. Well, Dad,

1071
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch that. Okay, you don't have to.

1072
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: You know, we'll go go with grand grandma. You know,

1073
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: don't force him to do anything really that they don't

1074
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: want to do, because that day was great for her,

1075
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: but maybe taking the guts out would have been too much.

1076
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: So let's just you know that there that bridge will

1077
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: be crossed another time. Yeah. Yeah, that that makes a

1078
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Um, what about the actual hunting part

1079
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: of things? I know that you you haven't taken a

1080
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: va out to sit yet right down, Nope, just fishing

1081
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: thus far. She found her first shed the spring. That

1082
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Um, But Andy, you you've been getting

1083
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: the boys out now with all sorts of stuff. How

1084
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: how did that begin? Did you? What was their first hunt?

1085
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: How is that evolution? Kind of looked. I think I

1086
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: gotta think about that a little bit, but I'm thinking

1087
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: that it was probably in a pop up you know,

1088
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: pop up blind. I used to have a food plot

1089
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: that I had planned just for that reason, Like I

1090
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: would spend hours and hours on it, and the chances

1091
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: of seeing the buck in it were very slim, but

1092
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: I did it just for that reason. And I actually

1093
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: never I have I've yet to kill a deer with

1094
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: them with me yet, but I've in you know, a

1095
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: recent couple last couple of years, I've kind of transitioned

1096
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: away from the compound bow and back to the recurve,

1097
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: which I shot in the past, but um, it kind

1098
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: of opens up the parameters for me and what I

1099
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: feel comfortable shooting. And so now I've actually last year,

1100
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I took him a few times and I have a

1101
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: couple of three stands set up for them to get into.

1102
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: And that's that's it, man, that's I mean, that's obviously

1103
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: not where I started, but um, that's where I'm at

1104
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: right now, and it is it is something else like

1105
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: they I can't wait till the day that I happened.

1106
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: Last year, I had a really close encounter with a

1107
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: buck that was probably not, you know, wouldn't be a

1108
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: shooter for most people, but when you got your like

1109
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: five year old, six year old with you, it would be.

1110
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: Lukey was with me and it was like five yards

1111
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: away and I had my recruit and I'm like, I'm

1112
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna shoot this buck and it just turned and ran away.

1113
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, I've never been so bummed that

1114
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: a deer, you know, blew me up. Ever, I was

1115
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: just like and it was like probably a two year old,

1116
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, it was a small deer, but it was

1117
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: one of those things like I just can't I can't

1118
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: explain how much fun And I can't even imagine what

1119
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: it's going to be like someday when they're shooting deer

1120
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: or turkeys or whatever is they're doing. But um, yeah,

1121
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: that that would be. I would have to say probably

1122
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: the pop up blindness, the transition, how I got him

1123
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: into hunting, what what What was Lukey's reaction to that

1124
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: close call last year? Man, It's just I don't know

1125
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: what I explain it. They just they have a and

1126
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: and his the way he is, he's so like his

1127
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: brother is very cereebral and asked one million questions and

1128
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: then Luky it just looks at you and he's like

1129
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: and he's like kind of squint his ee and he's

1130
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: just thinking. It's like all his questions. It's almost like

1131
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: you've answered himself. I don't know what's going on in there,

1132
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: but but he he just looked at me and he's

1133
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: just like that deer was close, Dad, And I'm like,

1134
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: it was five yards away. I'm like, yeah, but it

1135
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: was close. He's like, were you gonna shoot it? And

1136
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: he was sitting there and there's still as a stone,

1137
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, and nobody moved. I don't know if it

1138
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: so were the Wind's world or you know, who knows.

1139
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: The place that I hunt's got a lot of human activity.

1140
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: No hunters, but a lot of people. They like to

1141
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: take walks with their ship too and stuff, which you know,

1142
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But it might have been

1143
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: something like that they ran him off, but I mean

1144
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: it was It was really cool just to see his

1145
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: reaction and I could I could like I hugged him

1146
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: after the deer ran off. I'm like, what do you

1147
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: think of that? And when I hugged him, I could

1148
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: feel a little heartbeating fast. I was like, oh my gosh,

1149
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: like and I wanted to just tear up right then,

1150
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, I think he gets it.

1151
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get my tow ahead of myself, but

1152
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: I think you might get it, you know. So it's

1153
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: pretty amazing, man, do they are they? So? They do

1154
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: they have like the itch now from the hunting? Do

1155
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: the gig excited about wanting to sit out there with

1156
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: you when it's the deer turkeys or something like that? Yes? Absolutely, Um,

1157
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: I remember I was listening to to I don't know

1158
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: if it was. I think it might have been the

1159
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: mediatory that you were on. They were talking about um,

1160
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: Steve was talking about his kids and when he was

1161
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: a kid that his dad it was laughable to think

1162
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: that you weren't welcomed to go whenever here's his dad

1163
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: was hunting and I and I've I've kind of thought

1164
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: like that's a good way to do it, and I'm

1165
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of trying to as time has gone by. Now

1166
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like that's the way I have to do it.

1167
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: Any time that I'm gonna go do anything outdoors, I'm

1168
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: never gonna And there's been times when I said, nobody,

1169
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: you can't go today because it's too cold. Or to

1170
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: this or to that, or you know, I feel like

1171
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: I got a good shot at the buck that I

1172
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: got on the trail camera or something, and I've kind

1173
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: of put all that and basically and scrapped all of that.

1174
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: Now it's just if they want to go, I don't

1175
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: care what it is we're going, and sent controls kind

1176
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: of out the window. Too. Was two boys, but I don't.

1177
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't. One thing I don't do is I don't

1178
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 1: take them both at the same time, because I feel

1179
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: like it's just it's easier for them to not get

1180
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: distracted with you by each other and things like that,

1181
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: and I prefer to, you know, try to keep it

1182
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: one on one. That way, I can make sure I'm

1183
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: doing the right things too, you know. Yeah. So your

1184
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: philosophy that you never they're never not invited on a

1185
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: hunting trip, does that mean that one of your kids

1186
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: might show up at our boundary waters back country whitetail

1187
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: hunt in Minnesota. Well, not be surprised. For the first

1188
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: thing that are in our household. You witnessed system. The

1189
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: very first thing that our kids learned in the word no.

1190
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: They learned that very quick around you, and that's how

1191
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: we do it, so I can't say no, and there

1192
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: are times that I have to and that might be one,

1193
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: but I guess I guess I'll tell them all this time.

1194
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: I guess you don't want my kids coming? I guess no.

1195
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: I just think that based on my history of canoes,

1196
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be safe for them. Yeah, that's true, that's true.

1197
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: What am I getting myself into that one? That's for

1198
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: another day, I guess. Yeah. Now, Hey, Mark, I got

1199
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: a question for you, right. So we talked a little

1200
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: bit earlier about how, um, like what was going through

1201
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: my mind and how I was going to have to

1202
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: adapt to my children kind of living this this lifestyle

1203
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: and you this year is a huge change for you.

1204
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, you're you went out west, You're doing all

1205
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: this outdoor activity, but now you have a how old

1206
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: is he? Six months old? Just about you? Okay, so

1207
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: now you're you're bringing a six month old with you.

1208
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: So how has your outdoor life kind of changed with

1209
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: the addition of a six month old? Yeah? You know,

1210
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that I definitely had like

1211
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of apprehension about, like even before having kids,

1212
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: it was how will kids impact all the stuff that

1213
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: we want to do and all these plans I have, UM,

1214
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: So I kind of selfishly was like thinking about that

1215
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,479
Speaker 1: a lot um. But then once we had it, once

1216
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: we had Everett, you know, my wife and I were

1217
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: both kind of on the same page that we never

1218
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: believe that we had to change our lifestyle to commendate

1219
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: like yeah, like we never felt like there's some people

1220
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: you see that they have a kid and they never

1221
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: leave the house again, and like it's always like, oh,

1222
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 1: you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't

1223
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 1: do this too hard. We had so many people telling

1224
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: us that kind of stuff, like, oh, you'll never be

1225
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: able to do this again. Or last summer when we're

1226
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: out west, and after we had told people that we

1227
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: were pregnant, we had so many people say, oh, we'll

1228
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: enjoy your trip out there. You're not gonna go out

1229
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: there again. Um, we're good luck you know this backpacking

1230
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: trip and it will be a long time till you

1231
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: can do that anymore. And we always kind of thought

1232
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: in the back of our minds like no, like we

1233
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: can still like we can just incorporate him into these things,

1234
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: um and make it a really cool thing for him,

1235
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: And that was our goal and our hope before all this,

1236
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: but um, you know, this summer was like the testing

1237
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: grounds for that theory. Though. Can we still do some

1238
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: of these things? Um? So yes. We We've been out

1239
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: now on the road out west for almost three weeks

1240
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: camping um with a little guy, and the week before

1241
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: that we took him on his first camping trip. Before that,

1242
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: and we've done a lot of hikes and stuff and

1243
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: Michigan and now here in Montana, and um, you know,

1244
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: overall it's going really well. And I'd say, like, I'd

1245
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: say that I think we're right, like we can still

1246
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: do we can still live the lifestyle that we have

1247
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: been and we can still be very outdoors focused. We

1248
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: can still do a lot of these things and travel

1249
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 1: a lot um. But it is definitely different too. Um.

1250
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: I think the big things have changed is that everything

1251
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: just takes longer. Like I can't prioritize like my goals anymore.

1252
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: It's much more so about like the minimum, like it's

1253
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: just okay, let's just get there, or let's just have

1254
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of an experience. Let's just test the

1255
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: waters and if we can at least if we can,

1256
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: if we can hike for half hour, that might be

1257
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: all it is, and if that's all it is, and

1258
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: that's great, we just just enjoy it for whatever it

1259
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: was we got. So, you know, we had on the

1260
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: drive out here. Usually I like to burn rubber and

1261
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: get out here as fast as I can drive straight through,

1262
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: but that definitely wasn't happening with a five and a

1263
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: half month old in the car seat. So you know,

1264
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: it took us three days and we took like long

1265
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: hour and a half two hour breaks that rest stops

1266
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: and let him play and you know, just everything takes

1267
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: a long time with feeding him and changing him and

1268
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: letting him nap and play and all this kind of stuff. Um,

1269
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: So that was an adjustment as far as like traveling.

1270
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: And then the same thing like when we're out here,

1271
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: like trying to go for hikes and things like that,

1272
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: everything just takes longer. So I set much lower expectations

1273
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: for what we're gonna do, and um, lots and lots

1274
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: of breaks, and then I'm just you know, I having

1275
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: to think about different things. You know, before when it

1276
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: came like if I was gonna do some big hike,

1277
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about, Okay, how far can be?

1278
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: And Kylie hike and you know what's the elevation gonna gang,

1279
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: gonna be alrightet ten miles? All right, let's go do

1280
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: it now. Obviously, all those things are much different because

1281
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to be too far from

1282
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: the trailhead and then have the baby throw connection because

1283
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: he hasn't adjusted to the elevation yet or something like that,

1284
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: or him get sick and be too far away from

1285
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: the car um, or the sun get too hot in

1286
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: him be overheating. And there's all these new things that

1287
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn about now too, So it's a

1288
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: much more aware of things like sun and weather and

1289
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 1: rain and wind and bugs, um, all that kind of stuff.

1290
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: So we've had a lot of hikes that we've started

1291
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: and then to turn around. So we've done a lot

1292
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: of like our longest like we've done with him was

1293
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: like seven miles. UM. We've done a lot of like

1294
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: two to three to four mile things with him, UM

1295
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: a couple of hours. But it's been cool. I mean,

1296
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: even though we're not doing anything like quote unquote epic,

1297
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: like the stuff I used to think I always want

1298
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: to do. UM, just taking like a little walk down

1299
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: the road with him and like see him get excited

1300
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: about you know whatever, a dog running by that that

1301
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: is that is super cool. Um. So it's been it's

1302
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: been awesome. I mean he's been great. Like I mentioned

1303
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: at the beginning, we've been really lucky with him. He

1304
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: sleeps really well. He's just a happy, chill baby. Um.

1305
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: He really enjoys being outside. It seems like that he

1306
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: just enjoys looking around. He's very observational. He's just constantly scanning,

1307
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: looking at things, taking in the world around him. Um.

1308
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: And then this past weekend we actually took it on

1309
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: his first tent camping trip. So everything before this has

1310
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: been in the camper, you know. Um, this this weekend

1311
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: we did a tent camping trip. We actually found a

1312
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: really cool place. There's this road that actually goes up

1313
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: to the top of this kind of um, this relatively

1314
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: moderate mountain range here in Montana, and you can drive

1315
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: this road up to the top and you're kind of

1316
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: above tree line, like beautiful, beautiful views this National Force.

1317
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: So it's like you can camp anywhere. And it's kind

1318
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: of place that we would usually hike to, but we're

1319
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: not gonna do like a ten mile backpacking trip with

1320
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: him yet. This is the kind of thing that we could.

1321
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: We could drive up there, it was pretty comfortable. We

1322
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: could camp right out of the truck. We could set

1323
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: up the tent and still be like in a really

1324
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: pretty place and feel like we're out there. So it's

1325
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: like a really great opportunity to you know, still be

1326
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: doing like a something that felt like exciting for me

1327
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: and Kylie but was accessible for him. And he had

1328
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: a blast and he just kind of hangs out and

1329
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: he slept in the tent. Great, we have a set

1330
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: up um. That was one of the things we didn't

1331
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: know what tent camping was gonna be like, because not

1332
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: only is it myself and Kylie, but we also have

1333
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: our two dogs. So I've got my big lab and

1334
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: then Kylie's little dog, Cooper, So we have two dogs,

1335
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: two people and him. So we bought a bigger tent

1336
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: in the spring to accommodate a bigger family. So we

1337
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: bought a four person backpacking tent. And then because like Boone,

1338
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: the lab is so just I mean, you know, Andy,

1339
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: he's just not I know exactly, he's not self aware,

1340
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: like he's just spinning around and jumping exactly, and he's

1341
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: definitely not so one of our words always like him

1342
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: stepping on Everett, We're bumping him and smashing him or something.

1343
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: So we got this little play like this little mini

1344
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: kid tent that we actually use for a lot of things,

1345
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: like if we're hanging out outside. Imagine this is like

1346
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: a little I don't know, Like it's a three ft

1347
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: long by one ft tall mini tent um that just

1348
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: pops up like a pop up blind kind of thing.

1349
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: And so when we're outside hanging out, and like if

1350
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: there's too much sun and he needs a little bit

1351
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: of shade or we wanted to set him where while

1352
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: we're cooking or whatever, you can put him in that

1353
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: little thing and he can roll around and play, but

1354
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: he's not gonna, you know, get stepped on by the

1355
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: dog or the same thing in the tent. So we

1356
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: put him in that inside of our tent so that

1357
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: when Buoner jumps in, there's run around trying to get settled.

1358
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: He's not going to step on ever. So that worked

1359
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: out really good. Um, and then for like a sleeping

1360
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: bag tip situation. Oh and let me take a step back.

1361
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: That baby tent. If anyone's curious, it's called the kid

1362
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: co Peapod. I had some people ask me on Instagram

1363
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: about that, um, and then we put him in this

1364
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: little like Patagonia full down suit that um it's you know,

1365
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: it's like a snowsuit almost. But we used as like

1366
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag. We've seen some other people online that

1367
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: use this for their little babies, taking them backpacking and stuff.

1368
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: And that worked awesome. I mean, he stayed warm, he

1369
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: slept through the night like like just perfect, and you know,

1370
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: he he heard coyotes howl for the first time and

1371
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: we had a wolf howl in the middle of the night.

1372
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, yeah it was. It was one of

1373
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: those things like me and Kylie both, Yeah, we woke

1374
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: up in the middle of night and like like we

1375
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: woke up to it and then you just kind of

1376
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: heard the tail end of it and then you're like,

1377
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: was that what I think it was? Because we both

1378
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: the kind of staff and looked at each other talking

1379
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: about that all the nights. Yeah, what were we just

1380
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: talking about? That you that I was talking about? Yeah, yeah,

1381
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, talking about you all the nights that

1382
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: you've spent and I have never heard one either, and

1383
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: you've never heard one. That's cool. Yeah, And so we

1384
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: actually one once before last summer. I heard one once, Um,

1385
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: it was the first time, and then yet this this

1386
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: time was the was the second time, and obviously ever

1387
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: start gonna remember. But still kind of cool that you

1388
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: can say that on your very first time tank camping. Yeah. Um,

1389
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: so that's been really sweet. And then, um, I don't know,

1390
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean it does pay to have some helpful gear

1391
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: like we have had this like baby backpack carry it's

1392
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: um the Osprey Poco a G is the one we

1393
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: were using, and that's been great for carrying them around

1394
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: all over the place. Um, don't you have some kind

1395
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: of backpack carrying into that you've used? Yeah, I have.

1396
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know the name of it right now,

1397
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: but it was we bought it a garage tale and

1398
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: it's it's been used for all three kids. Yeah, I

1399
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: feel like having something like that that's comfortable is nice

1400
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do a bunch of hiking with the kiddo.

1401
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: That's been huge for us because he's just been kind

1402
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: of toted around all over the place and it's comfortable

1403
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: and it has like a pull up sunshades, so kind

1404
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: of like a sunroof deal that pulls up over him.

1405
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: Um My wife is really paranoid about him getting sunburned

1406
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: because he's like very fair skin like her. He's got

1407
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: very light skin tone, so she's always saying he's gonna

1408
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: get burns, gonna get burns. So having a little sun

1409
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: cover is is good. Um, but yeah, I don't know,

1410
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: it's been it's been awesome. It's very different, but it's

1411
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: been so exciting. Different, isn't it. You can't You can't

1412
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: explain how it's different to somebody that doesn't have kids.

1413
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: I remember telling you that, Like it's like when somebody

1414
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: just explains the mountains to you and you're like, yeah,

1415
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: I get it, man, I get it, and you're the

1416
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: person telling you's going now you don't get it. And

1417
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: then the first time you lady to get your eyes

1418
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: on and you're like, oh, that's what are you mean? Kids?

1419
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: It's like that too, Like it's so cool, and you're

1420
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: tell them the story, how cool it was it, whatever

1421
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: your kid did, and you can see it in their

1422
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: eyes that you're telling. The person you're telling, they're just like,

1423
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen to this, But you don't

1424
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: care that they don't want to listen to it. You're

1425
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: so happy about it. You can keep telling them, you know, yeah,

1426
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: I can definitely relate to that now. And I so

1427
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: I always was that guy. I was that guy. I

1428
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, they're talking about the kids again, blah

1429
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: blah blah. But now I told you I've seen that

1430
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: look in your Here goes Andy on his baby rants

1431
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: talking about kids. Yeah. But but yeah, now I'm on

1432
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: the other side. Um. And that's one thing that I

1433
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: really that's one thing that I really had to learn

1434
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 1: to do. Like what you said, Mark was slowed down

1435
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: anytime I wanted to, uh, bring my kids with me.

1436
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: You know, It's like you can't just go out and

1437
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: check a trail camera or go out and glass for deer.

1438
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: You have to make sure their sippy cups. You have

1439
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: to make sure their shoes are on. You have to

1440
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: make sure they've gone to the bathroom before they get

1441
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: in the drunk. You have to make sure there's you know,

1442
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: if they get hungry, you might need to grab a snack,

1443
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: you might need to go look for your extra pair

1444
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: of binoculars. You might need to you know, and then

1445
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: by the time you get it ready to go, oh dad,

1446
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: I gotta go potty. Well I thought I just asked

1447
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: you to go potty. No, Dad, I don't. I didn't

1448
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: have to go, but now I do, Okay, so then

1449
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: you gotta go potty again. And it's just like you

1450
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: can't just hop in, hop out go you you have

1451
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: to prepare for everything. That's that's definitely definitely been my

1452
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: big take home probably from this this summer so far

1453
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: with him. It's uh, yeah, it's just it's just get

1454
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: I think it gets easier though, Yeah, would you say that, Dan,

1455
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: Like it gets you don't expect like even though Mark

1456
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: you said you didn't um, your expectations are you know,

1457
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: maybe lowered. But as it goes by, like as time

1458
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: goes by now, like every time you go do something,

1459
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: you're not like ready gung ho, and then oh shoot,

1460
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: I gotta I forgot, I gotta pump the brakes here.

1461
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: It's like now I I'm kind of tempered, like I

1462
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: know when we go do Yeah, absolutely, I feel that

1463
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,480
Speaker 1: I have to do the you know, I'm I'm changed.

1464
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: I have changed to expect that it's you know, I

1465
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: have to be slow. Yeah, and it's probably worth it, right,

1466
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: you don't mind so much now, No, I don't mind,

1467
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah, you know, speaking of changes you

1468
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: have to make for kids. Because my wife and I

1469
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: and my baby all share a twenty by ten camper

1470
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: right now out here in Montana. I I can't record

1471
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: my podcast in the camper because he's either napping or

1472
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: he's gabbing away and making all sorts of noise. I'm

1473
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: recording this podcast in the front seat of my truck

1474
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: in the middle of a rain storm. Can you hear

1475
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: that at all? Dan? Can you hear the rain and thunder? Yeah?

1476
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: I can hear the rain on top of the car,

1477
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: but I can't hear I didn't hear any thunder. Yeah.

1478
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: So kids always always changing things up. But um, back

1479
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: to the camping thing. Um, Andy, you took your you

1480
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: took your family out for their first Western trip last year,

1481
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: so with a six and eight year old, uh, to

1482
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: Yellowstone and stuff? Right? What was that like? That was awesome? Man,

1483
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: it was an awesome experience. I'd never been out to

1484
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: Yellowstone or Granti Con so for you know, and I

1485
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I kind of didn't want to go

1486
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: without them. And I've been waiting for you, like, you know,

1487
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: ever since they were born, thinking like we should we

1488
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: go this year? And then we're like, yeah, they're probably

1489
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: not old enough. And and we waited until they were,

1490
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, this last year, so you know, eight and six,

1491
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: I guess, And it was it was the perfect age

1492
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: to take them because everything they can, you know, you

1493
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: can point out and on the side of the road

1494
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: and say look at that, you know, whatever it is,

1495
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: and they can they can take it in, you know.

1496
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: And uh, but they're not so young that it's not

1497
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: all about you know, no, there's no diapers involved or

1498
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, any of that, which, you know, not to

1499
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: say it wouldn't have been fun, but I think for

1500
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: their sake, they enjoyed it because they they were just

1501
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, they got to ride in the back seat,

1502
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: they weren't all strapped into a car seat, and they

1503
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, read books, and it was it was an

1504
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: awesome experience. But not just just yellow Stort of Grand Teatown.

1505
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean everything that we went throughout there, We saw

1506
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: the bad Lands and different things like that, and and

1507
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're absolutely hooked at it, like they if

1508
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: if a week goes by and one of them doesn't say,

1509
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: remember when we were in Yellowstone or when we were

1510
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: in Grand Tea Town, or you know, not a week

1511
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: goes by, that one of them doesn't bring that up

1512
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: or I always will hear him talking to their son,

1513
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: like the neighbor kids come over that we're talking about it.

1514
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: We went to Yellowstone. It was so cool, and so

1515
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: I definitely think that another one of those trips is

1516
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: in our our future real shortly. I think that's awesome.

1517
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: That's that's what I I just can't wait to yea

1518
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: once he you know, recognizes stuff and he like, you know,

1519
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: right now, it's cool that he's in these places, but

1520
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: it's mostly just cool for me and Kylie, but he's

1521
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: just kind of like oblivious. But it'll be it'll be

1522
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: really exciting when he actually recognizes what's happening. And I do.

1523
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this the other day. I still

1524
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: think there might be something like positive for him in

1525
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: having these experiences. Now absolutely, you know, if this energy

1526
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,879
Speaker 1: that you guys are shooting when you're in those places,

1527
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: I think he benefits from that. I mean, I think,

1528
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: don't you know what you think? Yeah, that's a that's

1529
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: a good point. I think you think you're right. I mean,

1530
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: how happy are you when you're in those places? And

1531
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean I don't it's not like he's reading your

1532
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: mind or anything like that. Nothing weird like that, but

1533
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, you know, there's probably a

1534
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: good vibes coming off you guys when you're out there.

1535
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: I would think, yeah, that makes sense. And even you know,

1536
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: even if it's like four years from now or something

1537
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: and we're just telling him the stories of this stuff

1538
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: or he's looking back at the pictures, and I feel

1539
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: like that's something like, oh, yeah, I was doing that stuff.

1540
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that was me. I was that kid, And I

1541
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: think that's yeah, that's maybe that builds some kind of

1542
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: like identity or confidence or something that you know will

1543
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: positively impact him. I hope. So I don't know anything

1544
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: from your trip taking them camping, like any uh, any

1545
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: lessons you learned from that first big family road trip

1546
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: with with that age of kids. You know, our kids

1547
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: are they're they're awesome, man. I mean not just trying

1548
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: to brag about my kids, but they don't have electronics.

1549
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: They don't know anything about I mean, they don't how

1550
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: to run an iPad better than I do, or any

1551
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: any electronics that you could ever get your hands on.

1552
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: They're better at it than anybody that's our age. But

1553
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: at the same time, like we don't have. We we've

1554
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: never put something in front of them to occupy them.

1555
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: We've taught them and I think this is, you know,

1556
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna do them a service in the future for the

1557
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: outdoors because we've taught them to entertain themselves when when

1558
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing going on, figure out something to do. Like

1559
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: if if there's nothing going on, they go outside, they play,

1560
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: they take their b B guns out there. You know,

1561
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is they're doing, they're they're doing it on

1562
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: their own. So that's what, you know, what I learned

1563
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: about it. Just let them enjoy it, because if they're

1564
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: staring at at a iPad or whatever it is, they're

1565
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: not going to enjoy They're not gonna even remember it.

1566
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: It's gonna be another time in the car. And we

1567
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: didn't do that. And we got a lot of books

1568
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: can check out things. That was something that you kind

1569
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: of recommended, getting books for the Western reading like type things.

1570
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: Didn't really get anything specifics for myself, but I thought

1571
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: we thought about that with them. So we had like

1572
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: books that we had running from the library. I checked

1573
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: out from the library that we could you know, that

1574
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: they could read all the way out There are different

1575
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: things and and it was pretty amazing. I think, uh, like,

1576
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait to go do it again. We've been

1577
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: talking about what we're gonna do next, but it all

1578
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: takes money. So yeah, that's that's the trick. That did

1579
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: seem like you guys had such a cool trip though,

1580
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: that was that was fun to see the pictures. Man,

1581
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So Dan went, Dan wins the first big

1582
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: family road trip for you guys out to the mountains

1583
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: going to be I think next summer um potentially going

1584
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: to Colorado. Nice, so gonna My brother went out there

1585
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: with his son, uh this past summer, and he drove

1586
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: throughout the entire night, so it didn't really like change

1587
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: his son's sleeping pattern. And I think I talked to

1588
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: you a little bit about that. So I think that's

1589
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna try to do, is you know, put

1590
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: the car, kids in the car at like I don't know,

1591
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: eight o'clock at night, drive all the way through the

1592
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: night to uh Colorado or a stop somewhere, or break

1593
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: the trip down into like go to the o Maha

1594
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: Zoo and spend the night and then get up early

1595
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: the next morning and drive to Colorado. And but you

1596
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: know that's still not gonna happen until next summer. So

1597
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Though the logistics are gonna be weird, but

1598
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, that'll be awesome. And and and that

1599
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: was something we did do, Like the first day we

1600
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: took off, we started like two thirty in the morning

1601
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: or something, and so we did have a really good

1602
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: long spell that where he just slept all the way through.

1603
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: And that does help just cut some time, because if

1604
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: it's during the middle of the day, they're just gonna

1605
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more times when you have to stop.

1606
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: And so the nighttime driving is a is a key

1607
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: idea for sure. Um. I think we gotta wrap this

1608
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: one up here pretty quick, but I want to get

1609
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: one more thing um out there, one more talk. And

1610
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: this is something that I'm now having to encountering. This

1611
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: is something that me and Dan have talked about a

1612
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: lot over the years. Um. But I'm particularly interested in

1613
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this, Andy, and then maybe Dan, where

1614
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: your latest thoughts are on this? But what about what

1615
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: about Andy when it comes to balancing right, balancing your hunts,

1616
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: balancing your hunting trips with you know, with the obligations

1617
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: you have as a father. Um, I know you you

1618
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: you and me take offer some eltcutting trips. We've done

1619
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: some fishing trips. Um. You know, it seems like that's

1620
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: something you're able to You're able to take off for

1621
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: for those types of things. And I know you hunt

1622
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of home. How do you manage

1623
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: to keep you know, that balance in the right place though, Well,

1624
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: I think you've heard the term, uh what is it

1625
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: a political capital that we say sometimes you gotta you

1626
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: gotta be home when you can be home, and when

1627
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: it's time to be in the wood, you gotta you

1628
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: gotta be in the woods. So I try to be

1629
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: be take care of business when I'm home. So the

1630
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: mama is glad, doesn't isn't mad at me when I leave.

1631
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I I you know how because

1632
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: she's my wife, is is super understanding, like she doesn't

1633
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 1: want to hear me tell her every detail about everything

1634
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: that we're gonna do, every hunt, every trail we're gonna

1635
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: go down. But at the same time, she she wants,

1636
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: she likes for me to go and enjoy those things.

1637
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: So and I think she he's the kids enjoyment and too,

1638
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: And I think and I've not really gotten like stucked

1639
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: her into that world so much. She loves kayak and encampment.

1640
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: She camps probably forty days out of the year without me,

1641
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: the kids. They go all over different state parks and

1642
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: stuff all the summer long because she's off in the summer.

1643
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: So um, it's it's uh, it is a balancing act.

1644
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, she understands that

1645
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: what it what it is, what it means to me,

1646
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: and how good it is. You know what it does

1647
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: to you, man, it gets your back to zero when

1648
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: you can go out and do stuff like that. It

1649
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: makes you feel alive. So I mean, that's that's the

1650
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: biggest thing I fant is do what you gotta do

1651
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: when you can't be hunting and fish, because you know,

1652
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: make make their life good when you're here, and then

1653
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: they don't they want want you to go. They won't

1654
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: be mad when you leave. I guess yeah. I think

1655
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: to something you said there about how it kind of

1656
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 1: does you good. And I don't know if this is

1657
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: I've always thought, is this just me trying to come

1658
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: with like a self serving explanation or is there truth

1659
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: to this? But I've always thought that these types of

1660
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: things when we go out and do our own hunts

1661
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: or trips or whatever it might be. Um while it

1662
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: might take you away from your kids of the family

1663
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: for some period of time, it puts you in a

1664
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: better place. You are more engaged more. They're a better parent,

1665
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: a better husband, a better person with them, I think afterwards,

1666
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: because that's a part of your life. Do you think

1667
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: that's reasonable? I think absolutely true. I mean, adel new

1668
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: wrinkle when you go now because the kids are like,

1669
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: what I miss my wife when I go, for sure.

1670
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: But if there's just something about those little boys, man,

1671
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: they just they just want to watch TV. And you know,

1672
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and they come in the room and

1673
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 1: what do you see? What are you watching? Bed? And

1674
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: they come walking over and climb up on you and

1675
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: they're sitting there watching TV with you. You know, it's

1676
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: like you missed that stuff, you know. But I definitely

1677
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: think that you it kind of recenters you. You're getting

1678
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: the in the grind of just working all the time,

1679
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: and it feels like, you know, if you have other

1680
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: obligations or things on the weekends and stuff, it doesn't

1681
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 1: you don't get to, you know, recharge your batteries. But

1682
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: when you want to do something like that. I feel

1683
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: like it just kind of puts you back to back

1684
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: to zero, and you can you know, I definitely think

1685
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: that there's some truth to that. Is there is there

1686
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: anything other than, like you said, just kind of racking

1687
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: up the capitol in the off season. Is there anything

1688
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: else you've done to make it, you know, better, maybe

1689
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: for the kids or anything that. Is there anything you've

1690
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: done to just make that work a little bit better

1691
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: for everybody else? Which I can't. I wish I had,

1692
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: like the the silver bullet right here, but I feel

1693
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm letting you down. I don't know, I

1694
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 1: feel like you than I am, and it probably isn't

1695
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: a silver bullet, but so I you know, I think

1696
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, and I've kind of

1697
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: read what I said. You gotta take care of business

1698
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: when you're here. Do the things that you can't do

1699
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: when you're gone. I mean, as simple and stupid as

1700
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: that sound, but that's that's what I do. I don't.

1701
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: I can't if if you got us thinking leaky roof,

1702
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: don't go hunting and wait for that text when you

1703
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: get back into cell service somewhere. And so there's water dripping,

1704
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean not that that's happened that hasn't happened here,

1705
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: but that type of thing. If you've got something that's

1706
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: gonna manifest when you're gone, you better take care of

1707
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: that because you're never gonna go again. If that's something

1708
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,560
Speaker 1: like that happens, you know, that's a good point. I

1709
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 1: guess that would be my best advice. Take care of

1710
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: business when you can take care of business, because when

1711
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: you're out there in the middle of Idaho and you

1712
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: don't get service and you get seventy two texts when

1713
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: you get back to town, Hey, what do I do

1714
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: in the hot water or whatever? You know? I don't.

1715
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't want that. That's my nightmare right there. So

1716
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: I try to prevent all those things from happening. Yeah,

1717
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: what about you, Dan, anything anything new now? In in

1718
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: this fifth or sixth year now of of dealing with

1719
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: this stuff, your head anywhere different than it was last

1720
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: time we talked about during last fall, Give me something good, man,

1721
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: because I feel like I didn't have anything good. So

1722
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 1: give me. Here's what I will say, and that is

1723
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: early season hunting has now become a go when my

1724
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: wife is happy type of thing. Right If she's in

1725
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: a bad mood. I probably won't go hunting the first

1726
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: week in October because you know, if she's having a

1727
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 1: bad day and she's like, well, I don't care what

1728
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: you do. If she knows that I am going to

1729
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: be gone for a night or two nights or gone

1730
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: for even four hours to go on a hunt, she

1731
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: has to sit with my kids. And our kids are crazy, right,

1732
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: and they do put stress on on people. This is

1733
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:48,560
Speaker 1: not a joke, this is nothing new. But I have

1734
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that I take care of my wife

1735
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: like this. The trip I went out to California with

1736
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 1: that was for her to let her know that I

1737
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: was happy. You know, I'm happy with her and that

1738
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, basically, these trips that I do, although I'm

1739
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. My wife doesn't suffer in silence, if

1740
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So she will tell you, well, yeah,

1741
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 1: she she tells you exactly. Yeah. Yeah, she tells you

1742
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: exactly how she feels at all time, which is good. Right.

1743
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: She's not the kind of person where you have to say, so,

1744
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: what's wrong and then she says nothing. If I say

1745
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: what's wrong, you better be prepared because she's gonna tell

1746
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: you what's wrong. Right. So so that's my life too, man.

1747
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, similar. So when I you know, when

1748
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: I go for you know, when I go on my

1749
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: two week vacation, she's gonna I'm like, hey, is everything okay? Well,

1750
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: uh yeah, everything's fine. I mean she's come to expect that.

1751
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: But it's not gonna be fun. I'm gonna be here

1752
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: with three kids. I'm gonna be a single parent, and

1753
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: it's not easy raising three kids because you have basically

1754
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: everything else gets put on hold until I get back,

1755
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: and you know, stuff doesn't get done, maybe laundry or cleaning,

1756
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: or the kids have to eat hot dogs for you know, uh,

1757
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: five out of ten days or whatever, because that's just

1758
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: simple and I don't know it's and it's one of

1759
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 1: those things. Here's one thing that I have to have

1760
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: to say is I think that once men get married,

1761
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know where this is coming from, but

1762
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: once once men get married, there something is happening in

1763
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: today's world where they are it's just like, okay, now

1764
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: you are no longer a man. And I think these

1765
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: I think these trips when when for me, anyway, when

1766
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: I can go out and like you said, Andy, get recentered,

1767
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: I think that is needed. I think men need that. Uh,

1768
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 1: they need to be challenged, they need to be um

1769
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: out in nature. They need to you know, basically beat

1770
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: on their chest and be like him Taylor, right, you know,

1771
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: be I think obviously the definition of a man has

1772
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: changed over the years, but I think that the core

1773
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: definition is still the same. There's a there's a physical part,

1774
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: and I think that that concludes it right there, Dan,

1775
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: But it's gonna get deep, you know what I mean,

1776
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: just like you know, the metro sexual I don't I

1777
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: do what. I don't have those What are you talking about?

1778
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But I'm just like I think, Uh,

1779
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: I come back on something like this. I've able, I've

1780
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: been able to vent. I'm a better dad, I'm a

1781
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: better husband. Maybe she sees that, maybe she doesn't, but

1782
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: I feel I feel it, and and um, I just

1783
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: got to make sure that she's happy throughout the rest

1784
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: of the year so that she can be pissed for

1785
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, the rest of the what I am hunting.

1786
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: So it's better to happen we pissed three or four

1787
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: weeks out of the year as opposed to you know,

1788
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: months on end. So that's true, that's true. You know,

1789
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot. Oh sorry, any good. No.

1790
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, have you there one of

1791
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: you ever like just been sitting there and your tree standing,

1792
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: nothing's going on? Or maybe I think this instance, I

1793
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: was ice fishing and I sitting there, nothing's going on.

1794
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: I picked my phone up, my A D D kicks

1795
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: hand and I instantly pull up something Facebook or Instagram

1796
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 1: or something, and I looked down and I scrolled this

1797
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: lady post my husband went Elcott in September. Has anybody

1798
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: seen him? Since? It was like January second? And I

1799
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: look up Bradley Yep, time to go home. Halfway through January.

1800
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's one of one of those times when

1801
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, yeah, I think it's time. Have either

1802
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: you had that experience that where you just social media

1803
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: you found out that you you were just you know,

1804
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: just a father, uh absent father. Have you ever had

1805
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: that been that? I've had a couple of those. One

1806
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: was my wife posted a picture of my truck as

1807
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm backing out to go on my my vacation and

1808
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: she's like, hello, hello fall widow, here I am or

1809
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: something like that. She said, you know, the next two

1810
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: weeks I will be a fall widow. And then um,

1811
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: the the other times you're sitting in a tree stand

1812
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: and then you know it's bad at home when you

1813
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: just get you know, you set your tree stand up,

1814
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: you climb in, you hang your bow up, you set down,

1815
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: take that deep breath you're hunting, and then check your

1816
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: text and it's from your wife and it says, when

1817
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: are you coming home? She knows, she knows when you're

1818
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: coming home. But you know, all she's saying is it's

1819
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: that's that's code for it's crazy as ship here, Please

1820
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: get your ass home. That's a bad feeling your stomach

1821
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: when you see that text. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I've been

1822
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 1: thinking about all this a lot. I don't know how

1823
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 1: it's going to change things for me this year, especially

1824
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 1: because I've got, you know, a lot on the schedule.

1825
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out if it's if it's

1826
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: shorter trips, you know, maybe by planning instead like week

1827
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: long trips, they're like four day long trips coming back

1828
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: more often like that, so so it isn't as long

1829
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: periods of times being gone or I don't know. I

1830
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: feel like I've got a lot to learn this year.

1831
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: But but you guys have thoroughly scared me in some

1832
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: ways as you you are. How's this conversation though, because

1833
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: I know you've had it. I don't try to lie

1834
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: and tell me you haven't because I know you've had

1835
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: it when your wife has says something to you about

1836
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: the amount of time you've been gone or you're getting

1837
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: ready to go out again, and then your current counter

1838
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: argument is something along the lines with with this is

1839
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: my business now, like this is how I make my

1840
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 1: money now, right, I don't. Yeah, I mean I'm trying

1841
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 1: to learn how to get to use that. I know, Mark,

1842
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: you have a legitimate you know you have a legitimate Uh.

1843
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I was backing on that statement, but like, I'm sure

1844
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: there's comes points where there comes a point where she's

1845
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I've heard that too many times. It's

1846
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: not going to count this time. Yeah. No, we definitely

1847
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: have had that conversation. And and so yeah, I do

1848
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: have like the ultimate get out of jail free card

1849
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: for a lot more stuff than a lot of people.

1850
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Um So because of that, she is like very understanding

1851
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: of a lot of the stuff I do. But they're there.

1852
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: It gets to the point now where there's always one

1853
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: usually it's like the third week of November where if

1854
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: it's been going two and a half months straight, you know,

1855
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: you had a trip her two in September, and then

1856
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: you know a lot during October, and then after the

1857
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: big two weeks of the rut. Usually there there finally

1858
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: gets that snapping point. That's where it's like you're just

1859
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: you're you're not even here, like you're not not not

1860
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: not just that you're not physically here. But even when

1861
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: when I'm physically here, she'll say that I'm not even

1862
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: mentally there. And and so there usually is like a

1863
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: reset where we have to have kind of talking and

1864
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: she's like, all right, I really need some help here

1865
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: on stuff for you need to be kind of mentally

1866
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: checked back in. Um. But but for the most part

1867
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: of the rest of the year, you usually she is

1868
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,839
Speaker 1: pretty understanding of the fact that it is business related

1869
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: and she's she's really she's really good about it. UM.

1870
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: But I am always trying to like, I don't want

1871
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: to use that as like I don't care what your

1872
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 1: situation is, Like I don't care how you feel, I

1873
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: don't care how hard is for you. It's my job,

1874
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do whatever I want. That's definitely not

1875
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: the tact I take. So even though yeah, it's my job,

1876
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I am trying. I always am trying to find ways

1877
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: to make sure that I can make it as you know,

1878
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: as doable for her, as non painful for her, um

1879
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: and and and and the thing is that, yes, I

1880
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 1: am not around as much during the fall, but the

1881
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: benefit of what I do is that I'm present all

1882
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: the time the rest of the year, Like we spend

1883
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: all day together every day, Like I don't have to

1884
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:48,560
Speaker 1: go to day. Yeah, maybe that's the downstad. Maybe I

1885
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 1: need to really look at this theory, something like golf

1886
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: or something, get out of the house. So so, yeah,

1887
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: there's pros and kind um, but I am constantly trying

1888
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: to find ways to to to make it work for

1889
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: her to um. So I'm sure this year there'll be

1890
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: some some relearning, some figuring out how to balance things better.

1891
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 1: And I've always wanted to make sure that I'm carrying

1892
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: my you know, my my side of the bargain too.

1893
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I never want to just throw off everything on her,

1894
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: like managing the household and the baby and everything. So

1895
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have a new challenge with that this year.

1896
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: But we'll figure it out. We've gotten a lot better.

1897
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: I think for us, A big thing was like communicating

1898
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: about it all. Like my wife isn't as much like

1899
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: like my wife is more so she'll kind of just

1900
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: hold on to stuff. She won't bring it up until

1901
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: I forced the issue. So we've kind of I've learned

1902
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 1: to like forced the issue early on versus like early

1903
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: on in our relationship, I knew like she wasn't super

1904
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: talkative with I could tell that she was irritated about something.

1905
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: I knew it was probably about my hunting, but I

1906
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: just didn't want to deal with it. So I was like,

1907
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to get in a fighter. I don't

1908
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: want to get you know, have this like uncomfortable conversation.

1909
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: So I just let it go. And then we'd go

1910
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: like a week and you could just tell there's like

1911
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: this tension or anythings, um and that was never good

1912
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 1: and it would lead to some kind of blow up fight,

1913
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: you know, a month later or something. But now I

1914
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: just nip in the butt, so I will just force

1915
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: the issue on. Okay, I know that something's bothering you,

1916
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: it's probably X. Is that is that the case? And

1917
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: if so, let's talk about it, and once we've kind

1918
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: of figured out that we need to do that, UM,

1919
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,759
Speaker 1: that that's related to a lot of things in our relationship,

1920
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: but especially with like hunting and balancing all those kinds

1921
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: of things. Now that we get that stuff out on

1922
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: the table, it's so much better. And then she could

1923
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I understand you've gotta be gone for

1924
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: a week for this. I understand you gotta be gone

1925
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: for a week for this, But maybe instead of being

1926
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: gone two weeks straight, what if we what if you

1927
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 1: came back for three days, Like that'd be really helpful.

1928
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: Or I've got this thing going on, I really could

1929
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,560
Speaker 1: use some help during that period, and like, once we

1930
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: talk through that way, we can find a way to

1931
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: make it work a little bit better for both of us.

1932
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: So that's it's simple. But just communication, I think UM

1933
01:33:54,200 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: helps absolutely, That's all I got. I guess we out,

1934
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 1: like I said, five years from out, ten years from

1935
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: I we'll have to reconvene once we have older children

1936
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: and see if any of this helped us out right?

1937
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: Any anything? Don't hate me? Yeah? Your ruined? Any dear?

1938
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: One time? Was any any final thoughts? Uh? And you

1939
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 1: want to add on this no, I I don't have

1940
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: a lot. I guess I guess I would say that, Um,

1941
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to not kill huge bucks, or not

1942
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: kill as many ducks, or do whatever. If your kid

1943
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: wants to go, take them, man, just take them fish

1944
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 1: and don't catch anything. Just take something with you if

1945
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: that's what, If that's what, it doesn't matter, you know

1946
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. Just take them out. And that's where

1947
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm at now. I used to take things like not

1948
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 1: that I don't take it serious, but I at this

1949
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: point now what I take serious is any interest they

1950
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 1: haven't going if they want to go hunt, and I

1951
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: will take them. I'll put them in that tree stand

1952
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: and we will sit there and be cold, go home

1953
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: if we have to, or whatever we have to do.

1954
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 1: That would be my advice. Just to take a man

1955
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: whatever you can, whenever you can. Yeah, I'm right there

1956
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: with you, Dan. Anything else, no, man, just you know,

1957
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: baby steps. Um, that's what I mean. That's that's the

1958
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: only thing that I know how to do. And and

1959
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: and I don't want to ever burn them out because

1960
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: even going once or twice is better than not going

1961
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: at all. And that's that's really what I'm looking forward to. Yeah, Well,

1962
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to experiencing all these things you guys

1963
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: are talking about it. Uh, it was like the scariest

1964
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: thing ever, you know, having a baby, but it has

1965
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: been the coolest thing ever too, and everything, all these

1966
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: new things ahead of us. I just I'm just looking

1967
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 1: forward to it so much. So raising out towards kid

1968
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: I think is probably gonna be the coolest outdoor adventure

1969
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: of of our lives. Right, So, um, I think so

1970
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't ask her anything more, And that's

1971
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. So if you haven't yet,

1972
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: I think today is the a for you to subscribe

1973
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,560
Speaker 1: to the podcast and leave a rating or review on iTunes.

1974
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: It's a surefire way to build up some of that

1975
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: positive karma that you're gonna want for hunting seasons, so

1976
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: be sure to do that, and while you're at it,

1977
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: follow Wired to Hunt on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube.

1978
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: And finally, thank you all for listening, especially in episodes

1979
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: like this here today, where we take a break from

1980
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: talking big bucks and hunting strategy and instead focus on

1981
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: some of these bigger issues in life. So I hope

1982
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. Thanks again, and until next time, stay

1983
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: wired to hunt,