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Speaker 1: on a variety of college football topics. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons and NFL stuff on the way out. But

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that's always been interesting

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Speaker 1: to me about college football's opening weekend. I don't usually

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Speaker 1: bet the opening weekend. I did not bet this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I just watched games. There's no joint practices, there's no preseason.

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Speaker 1: When you get a young Texas quarterback, or you get

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Speaker 1: and you can really notice the difference with Garrett Nussbayer

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Speaker 1: they may win ten straight. But I would say this

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Speaker 1: I've seen Brady on his first throw in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: head up the sideline. But were you concerned at all

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Speaker 1: watching him? How like the remedial stuff, skipping balls, missing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen a lot of people that cover college football.

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Speaker 3: Everyone needs to pump the brakes, not overreact. No one

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Speaker 3: was expecting him to dissect a guy that spent twenty

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Speaker 3: You can throw some picks, Brett Fahr, Patrick Mahomes, good

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Speaker 3: of know when you see it when it comes to

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Speaker 3: That to me is the most concerning part about Arch.

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Speaker 1: Defensive coordinators have to be good against the pass because

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Speaker 3: It was jarring because again, no one's judging him, anyone

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Speaker 3: But when you watch him throw, see I gave him

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Speaker 3: You're like, did I really just witness what I just witnessed?

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Speaker 1: I think Ryan Day and I had said this. I

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Speaker 1: Down field, but we're gonna we're gonna play the field

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Speaker 3: That's not it.

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Speaker 2: It was mechanic.

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Speaker 3: That's not even what we're talking about, right, it was

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Speaker 3: we're talking about all skipping off. See. To me, Ryan

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Speaker 3: Day said after the game, He's like, you know, one

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Speaker 3: Day with Arch, like he sees that, right, I think

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Speaker 3: Sark that first play when he skipped that ball, I

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Speaker 3: he kept calling runs. The only reason they had thirty

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think Ryan day Now is saying my

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you can be on the field and

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Speaker 1: Sark has not been good in big games. I think

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Speaker 3: What was he supposed to do? I've been critical of

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Speaker 3: Order.

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Speaker 1: Now I just did.

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Speaker 1: There are sometimes things happen in sports, and most of

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Speaker 3: It's not how many hundred millionaires and billionaires does Marcus

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Speaker 3: you just kind of fell in line and he screamed

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Speaker 3: at you. It's weird, Like, obviously he's an impressive guy,

431
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Speaker 3: but he's an asshole in the football sense, in the

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Speaker 3: leadership sense. He had a Steve Jobs like quality to

433
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Speaker 3: him that it's hard to replicate that they don't really exist.

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Speaker 3: Urban kind of have that. Yeah, and it works. Now

435
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Speaker 3: you've got to come through. But there's a reason every

436
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Speaker 3: single form of play, whether you played in the NFL

437
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Speaker 3: or you didn't, the way they talk about him because

438
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Speaker 3: they know, like listen, if you just follow his lead,

439
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Speaker 3: he's leading you the right place. Caitlin's not like that.

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Speaker 3: And I think these guys at the program, on and

441
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Speaker 3: off the roster are used to Nick and his style

442
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Speaker 3: is the polar opposite. Look at Texas, you had mac

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Speaker 3: on when I was on your show. Max's kind of

444
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Speaker 3: an easy going you know, it's North Carolina, Texas here

445
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Speaker 3: thrived in Los Angeles. I bet everyone at the country

446
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Speaker 3: club loves Mac. He's sarks like that. So Texas. Actually,

447
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Speaker 3: Nick might not have worked there, remember when they were

448
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Speaker 3: gonna sign him like a decade ago. Yes, probably would

449
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Speaker 3: have failed. Maybe they needed to gut Pete Carroll. Probably

450
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Speaker 3: would have worked at the University of Texas. Yep, you

451
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Speaker 3: know where you know, you get Oklahoma stoops a little

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Speaker 3: more of a hard ass and venable like they've had historically,

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Speaker 3: a little bit more Barry Switzer, a little more edge

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Speaker 3: to him. Yes, And I just don't think in the South,

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Speaker 3: like at Florida, at Georgia, like whoever, if Kirby were

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Speaker 3: to leave the NFL in a couple of years, you

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Speaker 3: could not bring up Kirby is it is basically a

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Speaker 3: younger version of Nick and the I'm not just talking

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Speaker 3: about the players, I'm talking the entire school well kind

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Speaker 3: of feeds off that vibe. Kylin is just like goes

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Speaker 3: like there's been these weird reports about people up late.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know, this is not going to

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Speaker 3: work well.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I remember hearing a story years

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Speaker 1: ago somebody asked Nick Saban about coaching at USC. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like remember when Texas made a run at him and

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Speaker 1: there was talk that you know, USC would make a

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Speaker 1: run at him.

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Speaker 2: And somebody told me through like.

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Speaker 1: A source of a source of a source. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know how accurate it is, but you know Nick

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Speaker 1: had said, you know, when you recruit in the South,

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Speaker 1: it's yes, sir, no, sir. It's very formal and respectful

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Speaker 1: with athletes. He goes, you recruit out West, they're on

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Speaker 1: their iPhone and when you're pitching them like they're they're

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Speaker 1: they're distracted kids from the big city. It's different, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think Nick worked in the South twice.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Nick got to the NFL. There were all

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Speaker 1: those discussions, no eye contact, don't talk to Nick. You

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Speaker 1: know how much is true? Stuff usually has there are

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Speaker 1: threads of truth and that stuff. My take is Nick

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Speaker 1: is a very intense guy, and he works in an

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Speaker 1: incredibly intense environment. He would be frustrated as hell going

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Speaker 1: to some of these like Las A fair program. USC

485
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Speaker 1: it's got that California cool kind of the beach thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they love football, but it's not every Pat

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Speaker 1: Hayden was always like when he was there, he would say,

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Speaker 1: we want our kids to have a life.

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Speaker 2: And that was not a thing with Saban.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's just a different human being, even though

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Speaker 3: we all live in America, you know, recruiting Santa Margarita

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Speaker 3: or Centennial Corona. I remember when I was with the Eagles,

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Speaker 3: Fletcher Cox was going to be a top fifteenth pick.

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Speaker 3: We end up trying he could bear back horses. So

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Speaker 3: the kids in the South, they're coming from much more

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Speaker 3: of a rural it's a different world. Yeah, you know,

497
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Speaker 3: it's like they all are hunters, they're psychological makeup as

498
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Speaker 3: people is completely different than the West. I've never lived

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Speaker 3: in the South, yeah, but being around football and knowing

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Speaker 3: these guys, knowing people just through football. Spent most of

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Speaker 3: my time out here in the Northeast. We are wired

502
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Speaker 3: completely different than that region. Oh yeah, and now some

503
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Speaker 3: of these quarterbacks right from this from southern California have gone.

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Speaker 1: Listen to my vacation in the summer in the Northeast,

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Speaker 1: it is very much a discussion is what IVY League kid,

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Speaker 1: What IVY League school did your kid go to? Like

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Speaker 1: the all entire families in this area that I'm in.

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Speaker 1: My wife and I just sort of laughed. I'm like

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Speaker 1: directional schools. She's ball State, you know, and we just

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Speaker 1: sort of and we just laugh at it. It's like,

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Speaker 1: and the people are nice, they're gracious, they're not in

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Speaker 1: your face.

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Speaker 2: But it's just like.

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Speaker 1: It's Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn Talk, and it's just

515
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Speaker 1: the culture in the Northeast is the Ivy League and

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Speaker 1: it's academic, and I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love all that his you know that tradition.

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Speaker 1: I didn't live it, but every one of our I

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Speaker 1: lived in the Pacific Northwest. It's crunchy, it is really liberal.

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Speaker 1: It is live and let live. In my high school,

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Speaker 1: half the a third of the class smoke pot. You know,

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Speaker 1: we had keggers every night. It was like it was

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Speaker 1: just it's just a different world. So I do think

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Speaker 1: Kaylin Debor may not be a perfect personality fit.

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Speaker 3: You know, the one, but they are stuck with him,

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Speaker 3: Like you said this notion, and listen, I've seen a

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Speaker 3: lot of like reputable people like, hey, could Gruden sixty

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Speaker 3: seventy million dollars to buy him out? The roster costs

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Speaker 3: twenty to thirty million dollars, so that's about eighty ninety

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Speaker 3: million dollars. And like you said, they don't want to

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Speaker 3: hire some random so that the next guy's going to

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Speaker 3: cost eighty ninety million. His coordinators are really expensive. It

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Speaker 3: is a very very lucrative endeavor to pull the trigger.

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Speaker 3: What happened to Jimbo Fisher a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: That is not taking place anymore. So unless Kayln just

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Speaker 3: quits because he hates it there, and it's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I could go back and coach cal or you know,

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Speaker 3: some school on the West coast, which makes much more

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Speaker 3: sense probably for him. He's not going to give up

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Speaker 3: that much money, so they are kind of stuck with him.

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Speaker 3: And listen that they've they've lived a pretty privileged life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it'd be like they're at the level of

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Speaker 3: they had like Bezos or Larry Ellison's money, and now

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Speaker 3: they feel, you know, this isn't you know, I was

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Speaker 3: worth a couple of million. Now I got nothing. They

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Speaker 3: were living high on the hog, right, and this is

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Speaker 3: very glaring to them. I would also say that the

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Speaker 3: no ranked teams, I do think on a year to

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Speaker 3: year basis. Two years ago, Florida State went thirteen and

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Speaker 3: oh the Rams best defensive player is now Jared Verse.

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Speaker 3: Either second or third best player is Braydon Fisk. Bernardo Green,

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Speaker 3: the corner starts for the forty nine ers. Keon Coleman

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Speaker 3: is the number one or two wide receiver for the Bills.

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Speaker 3: I mean that team is that was an SEC team.

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Speaker 3: So who what if we look back Florida State, like

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Speaker 3: Miami and Clemson, like all three of those teams are

557
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Speaker 3: just really good this year. I think it's very possible.

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Speaker 3: I watched enough football to know those three teams have

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Speaker 3: a lot of talent on their rust. Right now, he did.

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Speaker 1: And now for our next segment, Whiskey Business. Yes, Whiskey

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Speaker 1: Business brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the official

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Speaker 1: whiskey of the Colin Coward Podcast. So I want to

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Speaker 1: get into the Micah Parsons trade. And this is why

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Speaker 1: I supported what the Cowboys did. As you know and

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Speaker 1: our fans know, everybody has different windows. When I start

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Speaker 1: the volume, we didn't have we couldn't take huge swings,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have the revenue, we didn't even have a

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Speaker 1: sales department.

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Speaker 2: Now we do.

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Speaker 1: There are different windows for companies, for teams, for franchises,

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Speaker 1: for people in their life. In your twenties, some guys

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Speaker 1: don't want to get married. They want to be all career.

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Speaker 1: By your thirties, you're thinking about kids and getting married.

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Speaker 1: We all have different windows and timelines. So Dallas, the

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Speaker 1: last two free agency periods, John had no flexibility. And

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Speaker 1: my take is in the NFL, that's one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons the Chiefs let Tyreek Hill go and why Howie

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Speaker 1: Roseman is constantly letting good players go, keeping the great ones,

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Speaker 1: but he's always making deals because how he wants flexibility. Well,

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Speaker 1: the last two years the Cowboys have had none of it.

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Speaker 1: What would they have had if they signed mica a

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Speaker 1: forty seven million Now they offered him forty but like

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Speaker 1: this team could not pay Dare Henry eight million and

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Speaker 1: they had unquestionably the worst running back room in the league.

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Speaker 1: So my take is they liked Micah they offered him

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Speaker 1: forty but to get two firsts. That's now four first

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Speaker 1: in the next two years. And by the way, after

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Speaker 1: watching nuss Meyer and a Sam Levitt, the quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Arizona State, if they end up being one of the

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Speaker 1: six to seven worst teams, they may be able to

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback with their first pick and the next

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Speaker 1: Micah with their next pick.

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Speaker 2: In the first round.

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Speaker 1: I mean they this is a draft where if you're

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Speaker 1: drafting in the top eight, you don't have to move

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Speaker 1: up to get potentially a really good quarterback. So in

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Speaker 1: green Bay in an incredibly deep, well coached offensive division

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Speaker 1: with Kevin O'Connell, mattlefflour, Ben Johnson, green Bay needs a

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Speaker 1: playmaker on the edge to get offenses off the field.

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Speaker 1: And they, you know in our lifetime take out Reggie White.

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Speaker 1: They just don't have. Kenny Clark's a good interior against

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Speaker 1: the run. Cowboys can't stop the run. Kenny Clark comes in,

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Speaker 1: green Bay needs a playmaker on the edge to get

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Speaker 1: offenses off the field and get it back to Matt

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Speaker 1: Lafleur and Jordan Love. So I thought it worked for

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Speaker 1: both teams. Dallas's defense was bad with Micah, it'll be

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Speaker 1: atrocious without him. But my take is the time to

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Speaker 1: move a superstar is in a rebuild year. And isn't

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Speaker 1: it clearly a rebuild year?

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Speaker 3: Well, can we just lay one thing on the table?

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Speaker 3: Is because most of the reaction has been pretty universal,

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Speaker 3: How could you trade Michah Parsons. There are untradable players

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Speaker 3: in the history of this league. You know, Walter Payton,

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Speaker 3: Reggie White, Deon Sanders, guys in their prime. They're just unsolvable.

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Speaker 3: That is not you can run at Michah Parsons. He

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Speaker 3: is not Reggie White. He's not even the best player

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Speaker 3: at his position in the league.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you could argue, initially John somebody, they

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Speaker 1: put him in a stack linebacker inside and that people

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Speaker 1: didn't think he had good eyes, they didn't think he

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Speaker 1: anticipated well, so they pretty much let him be a

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Speaker 1: pass rush. Well, he's not as big as Hutches and

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Speaker 1: he's not as big as Miles Down. I would argue

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Speaker 1: he's a bit undersized, but they let him kind of

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Speaker 1: play that see the ball, attack the ball position, and

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Speaker 1: it works. But he's a tradeable player percent. He's a

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Speaker 1: great athlete and he's an instinctive pass rusher. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if there's seventy plays in the game, they're not all

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Speaker 1: seventy pass attempts on third and ten. So we've seen

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs people run at him. That being said,

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Speaker 1: I think the issue that I have with this situation

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Speaker 1: is anytime you trade a player of this magnitude like

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Speaker 1: they did with Khalil Mack too, right before that you're

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Speaker 1: getting future first round picks.

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Speaker 3: You have no clue where they're going to be. They

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Speaker 3: could be excellent. We saw with Russell Wilson they ended

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Speaker 3: up and Matt Stafford trade. They go really high because

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Speaker 3: the team has an injury, but they also could be

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Speaker 3: back to back picks in the in the mid twenties.

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Speaker 3: When you trade a guy before the draft one, you

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Speaker 3: have more people coming to the table to be interested

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Speaker 3: in the trade because there's more teams with cap room

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Speaker 3: and you can know exactly at least that given year

645
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Speaker 3: where that pick lands, so you can value it. I

646
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: do feel it was Do you think there was any

647
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: influence on Jerry with this documentary coming out, because you

648
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: watched that documentary, Go God Jerry and just hated that

649
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: guy was sharp, the guy was a maverick, that guy

650
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: was willing, and Jerry's kind of been a lot of

651
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: people rightfully. Sullivan like, yeah, Jerry's kind of scared to

652
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: do deals well because a lot of people. I bet

653
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Speaker 3: my four oh one k my aggression looks a lot

654
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: different than yours. Right. I mean, I know it looks

655
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: a lot different than a guy that's seventy five years old,

656
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: like Jerry is just at a point in time in

657
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Speaker 3: his life. But I wonder if he's like, oh, you

658
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: think I won't do this? And obviously once Micah, you

659
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: can't convince me when Mike has showed up eating nachos

660
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: and then laid on the training table. You know, Jerry's old, stubborn,

661
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: and the deal wasn't going that well in terms of

662
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: the negotiation. It was kind of like a double f you.

663
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: So he's just like, Okay, we're willing to trade him,

664
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Speaker 3: and they did.

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Speaker 1: Micah's agent is also an agent that has gotten his

666
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: client's good money and a lot of I think he's

667
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: the de Sean Watson's And if I recall, so he

668
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: signed a couple of deals where the teams look back

669
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Speaker 1: a year later and don't like the deal.

670
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Speaker 2: Now, I do think Micah off the Edge is exactly

671
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Speaker 2: what green Bay needs.

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Speaker 1: Again, Ben Johnson, Kevin O'Connell, you know Dan Campbell and

673
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: that old line. These offenses can keep your offense off

674
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Speaker 1: the field. So like, I like what green Bay did.

675
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: And the other thing about green Bay is is that

676
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: they've always been able to build good football teams. I

677
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: mean they for years they only drafted defense in the

678
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Speaker 1: first round, and yet they had great old lines and

679
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: excellent tight ends. And green Bay drafts and develops very well.

680
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Speaker 1: Second round, third round, fourth round. You know, there are

681
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Speaker 1: teams in this league and when Bill Pollion ran the Colts,

682
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: they nailed their first two picks every time. Middle rounds man.

683
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Speaker 1: But green Bay has shown a history to pick up

684
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Speaker 1: starters in the fourth and fifth and sixth round in

685
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Speaker 1: a much higher percentage than the rest of the league

686
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Speaker 1: over the last thirty years. So I think what they're

687
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: telling you green Bay likes this roster and they think

688
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: they got about a two to three year window to

689
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: make Hay, so they're rarely aggressive. I tip of the

690
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Speaker 1: cap to green Bay going for it.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people, if you're a Packer fan,

692
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: was like, where was this move? Mid Aaron Rodgers right,

693
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: because that was our window And that was a big

694
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Speaker 3: reason that a lot of people are critical of Ted Thompson.

695
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: It's like, God, he's just kind of a kind of

696
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: a kind of conservative. When's he going to take a

697
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: big swing? And now they finally do it with Jordan Love,

698
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Speaker 3: We'll see if it works out. I like the Packers

699
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: before this move, I text a lot of people in

700
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: the league asking him their thoughts. One universal take was

701
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: he's not like a troublemaker or anything, but Michael Parsons isn't.

702
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: Albert Breer reported about this when CD, when Zach Martin,

703
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: when Dak went through this, the locker room loves the guy.

704
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: That was not the reaction internally according to this. And

705
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: I had a GM who's very successful text me, like, listen,

706
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: Green Bay there. Their organizational culture has been a lead

707
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: for thirty years. It's been very consistent. It's just an

708
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: easy place to operate. They're bringing in Micah, who comes

709
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: from a culture where it's just all over the map

710
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 3: in doubtas thing in the Micah Parsons bringing him in there,

711
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: he is now making way more money than everybody. They

712
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: have an unproven, you know, still quarterback who you know

713
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: your quarterback is always kind of the leader of the team.

714
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: He's like, it is just there is some risk involved

715
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: when you factor in the finances, when you factor in

716
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Speaker 3: this big personality. He now is the face of the team. Uh,

717
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: It's just it's a pretty big It would have been.

718
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 3: His point was, like it would have been easier if

719
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Speaker 3: if you had Aaron, even if this guy at the time,

720
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 3: whatever the economics were, was making more than Aaron. But

721
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: Aaron's the face of the team. Mike is now immediately

722
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: the face of the team. See what you want about

723
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: the Cowboys before this trade, Like still Dak was when

724
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: you turn on Sunday night football, is Dak's face, Like,

725
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: it's not even a question Micah parsons. So let's just

726
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: we'll see now they feel pretty good about their infrastructure.

727
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Speaker 3: Xavier McKinney. There are some questions fit right in. There's

728
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Speaker 3: a big difference though, in the amount of money Xavier

729
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: McKinney's making in this guy who knows he's untouchable.

730
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Micah is a personality. You see it

731
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: in the podcast. I think he's not going to get

732
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: in trouble in Green Bay and not like you got

733
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of trouble in Dallas. But you know, Micah,

734
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Mike is a personality. And I think when you have

735
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Speaker 1: a week coaching staff or a week head coach, which

736
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer is, I think my take was if this team

737
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Speaker 1: started one in five and you signed Mike into a big.

738
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Speaker 2: Deal like Dallas is going to be atrocious.

739
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Speaker 3: I really do.

740
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Speaker 2: I think.

741
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Speaker 3: I think why people acting like they just traded Lawrence Taylor,

742
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: because that's not what they just did. Well, you know

743
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: it's not. They weren't any good.

744
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: Well here's the other thing.

745
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: If you were paying Dak forty four instead of what

746
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: you're paying him, then you could have then you guys

747
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: could have met at forty five million. All the problems

748
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: here start. And we know this, John, It's hard to

749
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: win when you pay Josh Allen top of the market salary. Okay,

750
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. You're not going to have that second

751
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: slot receipt or that third really dependable you know, uh,

752
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: interior lineback, you lose. I mean, you've seen this over

753
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of years that Buffalo has moved off

754
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: multiple veteran players in the second.

755
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: Day half their team last year.

756
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: Well, and that's and they're still winning with Josh Allen.

757
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: And Josh Allen took a reasonably team friendly deal. Dak

758
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: is a B quarterback making a plus money, so you are.

759
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: And he he needs an entourage. He is not Josh

760
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Allen Lamar. So this the problems all stem from you

761
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: massively overpaid a b quarterback. And so I mean we people,

762
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: and this is the case. The younger the media people,

763
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: the more they report pay the player. They're always pro player.

764
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: I have learned something over my life that like the

765
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: Rams could not trade Jared Verse, like this kid was

766
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: defensive Rookie of the Year. Like everybody's got a guy,

767
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: even take out the quarterback. There's a guy like Sakwon

768
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: Barkley to Philadelphia.

769
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: They could win if he left.

770
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Speaker 1: But boys with Jalen Hurts in the pocket sometimes a

771
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: little tenuous. If you trust him, they're just guys you

772
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: can't move. I will defend the Cede Lamb contract. I

773
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: think he's a top five or six receiver. He's a playmaker.

774
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't comfortable making Mike of the highest

775
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: paid defensive end. I've seen him in a couple of

776
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: playoff games. He has been invisible in those games against

777
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: better offensive linemen because.

778
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Speaker 3: They run right at him. Right, that's right, as think, So,

779
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: how do I pay a guy? Now? I get what

780
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: the Packers need. I think it's easy for Jerry to go, well,

781
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give a guy forty seven. I'm gonna match

782
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 3: this contract for a guy who's a liability in the

783
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: run game, and the Packers need that, and Rashaun Gary

784
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: is a much more complete player. I also defend the

785
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: Cowboys the timing. I don't. I mean, I would have

786
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: traded him before the draft, but clearly they weren't planning

787
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: on doing it then. Right, he thought he could get

788
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: a deal done at forty million dollars. But when you

789
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: trade him now, they go, how did they only get that? Well,

790
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: as someone told me in the league a couple of

791
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: years ago, they said, this isn't the NBA, but players

792
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: now have more juice than they ever had. Twenty years ago,

793
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: a team would have been like, hey, even if the

794
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: contract's not done, we will trade for this player if

795
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: you're over him, and we'll figure it out. We have

796
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: his control. Teams are not doing that anymore. So if

797
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to trade multiple ones, there has to be

798
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: signed at the bottom line. Well, so Micah Parsons kind

799
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: of controlled had a big part in Mulgeda in where

800
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: he went, because you go, well, you could have got

801
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: more from Team X, who the Lions, the Raiders, whoever,

802
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: they would have given two ones, two twos and a player. Well,

803
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: if they were offering twenty million dollars less than the

804
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: Packers salary. He goes, well, I'm not signing that contract

805
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 3: when this contract's on the table. So let's just say

806
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: there was another team willing to pay an extra high

807
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: draft pick, but they're the money. They go, we're not

808
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: paying him forty seven million a year and one hundred

809
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 3: and forty guaranteed. We'll give them a hundred and twenty guaranteed.

810
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: Well he's like, I'm not signing that. Well, then they're

811
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: not going to trade him there, right because that team's like, well,

812
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: the trade doesn't it's not on the table then. So Parsons,

813
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: you know, there was an NBA element if he got

814
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: to dictate a little bit where he went, because you

815
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: were going to sign the contract the moment you traded him.

816
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: Khalil Mack several years ago the Bears, they signed when

817
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 3: the trade is done. So the contract is a huge

818
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: part of the negotiation. So when I see all these people,

819
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: how did the Cowboys only get this because Parsons dictated

820
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: the terms by the contract And clearly I would imagine

821
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: some of the teams very interested were nowhere near in

822
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: the ballpark of what the Packers gave him, and this

823
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: is what makes the NFL so unique. This team without

824
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: an owner in the middle of nowhere, can pay a

825
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: guy a historic amount of money. It's like the opposite

826
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: of baseball, which is cool and it's part of the NFL,

827
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: but pretty risky deal. I mean, this is I give

828
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: Gudakins a lot of credit, but he's kind of laying

829
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: it all out there on the table on this one.

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Speaker 2: want to go through.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if we'll do this on a

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Speaker 1: on a weekly bit, but I want to go through

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Week one. Odds Now, I'm going to throw a couple

840
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: of games at.

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Speaker 1: You, and just a couple of games that I looked

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00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: at and they kind of jumped out to me. So

843
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: you know my feeling on Seattle. I like Sam Darnold,

844
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: but I also think this is a really good coach

845
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: and so one of the lines. That confuses me a

846
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: little bit is that Seattle at home is getting two

847
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: and a half point. Give me your take on the Niners' health.

848
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they have real issues at wide receiver, so

849
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: if they're gonna beat Seattle, it's going to be some

850
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: running games.

851
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: You're not throwing the.

852
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: Ball downfield a ton on Seattle, and I think Seattle's

853
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: pass rush is going to be pretty good. I'm surprised.

854
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: It's My favorite pick of the week is Seattle at

855
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: home plus points. First of all to a division rivalry,

856
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: so these games are always close, so I love taking

857
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: even average Pittsburgh teams historically can cover against much better

858
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: Baltimore rosters division games. I generally take the points, but Seattle,

859
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: I think top to bottom has more athletes in their prime. Hufunga,

860
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: gone Greenlawn gone, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey not in their prime.

861
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: I think Seattle has more athletes in their prime. Are

862
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: you surprised by that line?

863
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: I think the market believes that Seattle's not going to

864
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: be that great because they're five to one to win

865
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: the division and the forty nine ers are like plus

866
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: one fifty. So based on the divisional odds. They are

867
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: a heavy long shot. If you look at every division,

868
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: they by far are the only team that has been

869
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: good the last several years. Nine wins, ten wins, and

870
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 3: it feels like Vegas gives them no chance to win.

871
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: And this is a good example, Juwan Jennings. This wasn't

872
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: practice today, So they've rekindled. So you got Juwan Jennings

873
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: back with pierceall Kittle, you know McCaffrey, like, they actually

874
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: are offensively in theory healthy, Trent Williams Perdy coming into

875
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: this game. Yeah, I just think the market is pretty

876
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: low on Seattle. You and I are high on them.

877
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: My problem is whenever I bet on the Niners aggressively

878
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, they've bit me in the ass, and whenever

879
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: I bet against them, they always come through and win.

880
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: So I just I kind of stay away from the Niners.

881
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: But to me, there is not a better long shot

882
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: on the board to win their division than five to

883
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: one Seattle. They won ten games last year. They had

884
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: the same amount of wins as the team that we

885
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 3: treat the Rams like. They're a thirteen fourteen win team.

886
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: They won ten. They won ten games last year. I

887
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: think they won ten games year before, and we just

888
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: we hold them to highest team rightfully so because they

889
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: have a really good coach, quarterbacks back in major trouble.

890
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: The forty nine ers at any moment, half their team

891
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: can be on injury reserve. I do not trust Kyler.

892
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: It is by far of the value that there's not

893
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 3: a better on the board. And I'm with you, Seattle

894
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: can get weird. I do think divisional games Week one

895
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: can be hard to bet. Like I do think the

896
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: forty nine ers are gonna be pretty solid this year.

897
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 3: I think they got, for the first time in the years,

898
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: kind of a chip on their shoulder, kind of get

899
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: to fly under the radar a little bit. Sam Darnold's

900
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 3: you know, this is a first start with a new team.

901
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: Offense a little different than what you know. Kevin o'connoll

902
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: likes to pass a lot, which is sam blite. I mean,

903
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 3: was they had justin Jefferson Koubiak like his dad, like Kyle,

904
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: He's gonna call a lot of runs. If they can

905
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: run the ball, they're gonna be really good play defense.

906
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: But what to see, I mean their run game. You know,

907
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker be healthy, Sharvion a we like.

908
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: Well brought in Robert Sala, and the reason being is

909
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: they don't have the same personnel. I mean, no, if

910
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: Bosa's dinged up, it's Fred Warner and cross your fingers.

911
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: It is really an I mean, I think we look

912
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: at the Niners and we just sometimes you fall into

913
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: this romance because for about four years they just had

914
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: incredible defensive personnel.

915
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: They don't on the back end right now.

916
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think they're gonna need kind of

917
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: like the Rams. Two years ago, you didn't know who

918
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: after roster was, and then a couple of years later

919
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: that they are just solidified players on defense, not counting verse,

920
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: you know who they drafted high, but a lot of

921
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: mid round, late round picks. They're gonna need that to happen.

922
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: And that's what the forty nine ers did originally, Right Kittle,

923
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: fifth round pick, Greenlaw, fifth round pick, Pertycept. They've hit

924
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: on a lot of late round picks. That's how you

925
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: get good in the NFL. The Ravens let a lot

926
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: of guys hit free agency. Why because they crushed the

927
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: third through the seventh rounds. Because that's where you make

928
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: your hay in the end. Obviously, you got to hit

929
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: on first round picks. But when you get good in

930
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 3: the NFL, it's hard to pick in the twenties. That's

931
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: the one thing a lot of people are saying about

932
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: the Mica trade. It's like, well, the Packers are just

933
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: good back to back years. That's picked twenty five and

934
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: twenty eight, right, It's hard to hit on those picks.

935
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: Ask Jerry. When they started winning games with McCarthy, they're

936
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: drafting Tyler Geidon, Tyler Smith. It's it's a lot harder

937
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: to It's much easier to draft in the top five

938
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: when Jamar Chase or Piney Sewell or Jayden Daniels is

939
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: staring at you. So I like Seattle this year. This

940
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 3: game to me is just I don't know, you convince

941
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: me Niners win. Seattle wins, Seattle kicks their ass, the

942
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: Niners are into That's why Week one like I like

943
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: a lot of like the Titans, you know, the Panthers.

944
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: I like teams like that Week one that everyone just

945
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: thinks they're gonna suck. Some of the times these divisional games,

946
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: like Giants Commanders like I'm had to stay away from me. Yeah,

947
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 3: I don't, well, you tell me Giants win. I could

948
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: I could see it. Cowboys are the one that's like,

949
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: I have a hard time seeing them win.

950
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, teams.

951
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: Convince themselves, even if they're Tennessee, they convince themselves.

952
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: Theyre a playoff team.

953
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: By week four or five, you start losing guys and

954
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: everybody in the room knows. But yeah, Tennessee getting over

955
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: it time touchdowns, the hook. I'd stay away from that one.

956
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: The other game that's fascinating to me is it does

957
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: matter you're allowed in Green Bay or at Jacksonville or

958
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: maybe a Seattle to have really ugly losses. You're not

959
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: gonna get crushed Philadelphia, San Francisco, Chicago.

960
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: It's loud.

961
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: So Chicago's an underdog at home getting a point and

962
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: a half against Minnesota, and Minnesota's a mystery team. I

963
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: don't know what JJ McCarthy is. I really do not know.

964
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: I've heard enough from people I trust. I got text

965
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: by somebody I really trust a few weeks ago he said,

966
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: it's a work in progress, but if Chicago loses at home,

967
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: it'll be a huge, huge night in Chicago. That shit

968
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: could unarrival fast, really fast. If you had to make

969
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: a prediction, what do you think the Bears and Caleb

970
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: look like forget.

971
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: Winning and losing.

972
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they're the underdog at home, which I kind

973
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: of like that position. But what do you think it

974
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: will look like.

975
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be really hard. I mean,

976
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: Caleb is much more talented of a thrower. But I

977
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: think there could be some parallels to the situation that

978
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 3: we saw with Arch in Texas trying to play offense

979
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: against Patricia. I mean, Flores is one of, if not

980
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: the best defensive coordinator in the league right now. Their

981
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: personnel is actually improved from last year. I like Minnesota

982
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: in this game, but I like you, I don't expect

983
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: hard to say JJ's gonna come out and throw three

984
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: or four touchdowns. We'll see Chicago's defense a little overrated.

985
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: Are they quite as good as we thought they were

986
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: going to be like a year ago? I don't know,

987
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: but I could see them like I expect this to

988
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: be a lower scoring like seventeen to fourteen type game.

989
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: And if in that situation, I'm just gonna take Flores

990
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: in Minnesota and Kevin o'connwell, I mean, he's just listen.

991
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: First game at home gets a little weird if you

992
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: have a couple of three and outs, like in a

993
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 3: moment like this, you're gonna need some positive early momentum

994
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: because if the crowd gets a little weird, if you

995
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: have a couple that first try again, it was a

996
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: preseason game against the Bills. Twos and threes, but he

997
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 3: drove him right down and all of Chicago took it,

998
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: just took a sigh of relief, right like, oh my god,

999
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: he might be able to he might be okay. Because

1000
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: the Ben Johnson thing they played the Chiefs. I watched

1001
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: when I was flying to Hawaii that last preseason game.

1002
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: They got their ass kicked early on and Ben Johnson

1003
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: came out and said after the game like that's just unacceptable,

1004
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: Like that's just too at this point in time, too sloppy. Well,

1005
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: who were the Chiefs? A big time team that took

1006
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: that game? Seriously, remember I told you when we were

1007
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: together like two and a half weeks ago, that second

1008
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: preseason game, Andy, because they got their ass kicked by

1009
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: Seattle the Bills. When they got their ass kicked by

1010
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 3: the Bears, that's the point and time in camp where

1011
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: he's been driving him, driving him. The legs are heavy,

1012
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: But that last preseason game is more of a ramp

1013
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: up especially with Kansas City starters play a little bit.

1014
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: You take it pretty seriously like you're coming into that

1015
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 3: game with some some Well, the Bears tried to do

1016
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: that too, and it did not go well. Now, in fairness,

1017
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: Kansas City is like a dynasty, but minnesot was pretty good.

1018
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: They won fourteen games.

1019
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: Minnesota's got the better roster.

1020
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean it would be like to me,

1021
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: if Minnesota wins, it'd be yeah, Minnesota's good, right. I

1022
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: don't think it's like it'd be big if JJ plays

1023
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: like an elite level game. But even if he's just

1024
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: kind of average on the road, just win, get out

1025
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: of there. It's not like a we're not setting it

1026
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: in stone the headline of their season. Whatever happens with

1027
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: the Bears, right you lose, it gets weird. That's a

1028
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: major story. They win, he plays well, beats Brian Flores,

1029
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: that's a huge kind of monkey off everyone's back. Okay,

1030
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: we might we might have. There's a lot that there's

1031
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: there's not a game in the league Week one where

1032
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: there's just more on the line because of the quarterback situations.

1033
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: The hopes of that, like we said, the expectation for

1034
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 3: this franchise anything less than nine and eight will feel awful,

1035
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: and even nine and eight if you miss the playoffs,

1036
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: will be like, God, what what are we doing here?

1037
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1038
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: I went through the schedule and it looks like eight

1039
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: and nine, nine and eight to me, and I was optimist.

1040
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: I had them splitting with their division. Bears don't split

1041
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: with their division. They went one in five last year.

1042
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: They don't split in their division. So okay, John and

1043
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I chopped it up. We are now both gonna go

1044
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: watch Belichick and TCU and I can't wait for that.

1045
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: This is the first of twenty two, twenty three, twenty

1046
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: four conversations on Sunday Night. This is our Monday. I

1047
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: am back to work tomorrow, buddy, and it's great seeing you.

1048
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: Awesome seeing you.

1049
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: The volume