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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norry

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Speaker 1: with you. Rob Shelski back with us. Has almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five plus years of experience with investigating the unusual the paranormal,

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Speaker 1: a lifelong interest in the subject. As an investigative columnists

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Speaker 1: for the Alien Skin magazine for seven years, Rob has

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Speaker 1: done on site investigations both for the magazine and independently.

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Speaker 1: His focus is on the UFO phenomenon itself and he

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Speaker 1: is back on Coast to Coast. Hey, Rob, have you

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Speaker 1: been either something great? How about you? Great? Looking forward

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Speaker 1: to this. This is an amazing subject and kind of scary,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? Yeah? It is. It has a dark side

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Speaker 1: to it, most definitely. David Jacobs one of the few

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Speaker 1: ufologists out there who has looked at the darker side

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Speaker 1: as you have. And you know a lot of people say, oh,

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Speaker 1: come on, they're not that bad, they're not that mean.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about deadly UFOs and the disappeared. Well,

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Speaker 1: the problem with UFOs is the more I researched it

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Speaker 1: it's not exactly a very nice thing to deal with.

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Speaker 1: The UFOs seem to cause death, they cause injuries, theycause disappearances,

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Speaker 1: and they cause damage to people's property. And this has

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Speaker 1: been going on for a long time. That's the sad

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Speaker 1: part of it. Actually, So when people think that there

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Speaker 1: are space brothers, I've reluctantly, and it is quite reluctantly,

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Speaker 1: come to the conclusion that they are not. Well. A

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Speaker 1: lot of us want to believe that the higher you

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Speaker 1: advance down the chain of civilization, the more enlightened you

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Speaker 1: are and lovable you are. Apparently that's not the case,

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Speaker 1: is it. No, it doesn't seem to be. One would

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Speaker 1: have thought that if you rtually civilize, even as we're

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Speaker 1: trying to be ourselves, that you'd reach a point where

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Speaker 1: you'd have a standards of morals and morals. And they

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Speaker 1: don't seem to They seem to be either a moral

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Speaker 1: or absolutely malevolent. In many cases. The number of disappearances

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Speaker 1: alone on this planet are incredible on an annual basis,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking permanent disappearances. There are also abductions as well,

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Speaker 1: which where people are returned, but their stories are not

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Speaker 1: pleasant either, what they're put through. So we don't have

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Speaker 1: any stories where, for instance, a couple of children in

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Speaker 1: the woods like Hansel and Gretel might have been saved

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Speaker 1: by a UFO shining a light down meeting them out

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Speaker 1: of the woods, or someone being taken out of a

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Speaker 1: burning and building like they do the abductees. So why

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Speaker 1: is there so much negative? Absolutely nothing positive? And so

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Speaker 1: how can we arrive at the idea that in any way,

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Speaker 1: shape or forms, this is a positive experience. Well, and

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Speaker 1: then it seems like the higher intellectually one becomes maybe

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Speaker 1: they aren't as benevolent as everybody would think or hope. Well,

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Speaker 1: some people argue that there are the benevolent species as

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Speaker 1: well as the malevolent ones. But my problem with that

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Speaker 1: idea is if are a species of aliens along aside

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Speaker 1: the bad ones here on Earth or around Earth, why

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Speaker 1: aren't they interfering, Why aren't they stopping it? Because to me,

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Speaker 1: if you're a good Samaritan and you see someone hurt,

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Speaker 1: you should be trying to help them, not standing idly

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Speaker 1: by while the disaster continues. Well, that's absolutely true, and

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Speaker 1: we talk about the disappeared. We've been talking for years

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Speaker 1: now about so many people on this planet. Rob who

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Speaker 1: just merely disappear worldwide, and we're talking about hundreds of

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Speaker 1: People don't know where they are now. Sure some of

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Speaker 1: incredibly true. Even if you like, in America alone, eight

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Speaker 1: Buddy Chance absolutely. And by the way, he also recently

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Speaker 1: tell me about the research for deadly UFOs and the disappearance.

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Speaker 1: How'd you go about putting it together? It was an

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Speaker 1: And then finally I started looking at how people were

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Speaker 1: research process that led me to these conclusions. Let's go

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Speaker 1: a few examples, those that cause damage. What has happened. Well,

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Speaker 1: Of course, they've been happening on a regular basis for

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Speaker 1: It's pretty horrifying. No, how bad are these deaths that

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