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Speaker 1: Red coarse Sea Welcome back, my god, get wait.

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Speaker 1: And you know what else, It feels really good to

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Speaker 1: There's there's there's such a big room, dude to like

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with Toilotropic Coyle Field or Public's Park? Everybody

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Speaker 1: like a live streamer, why don't you call up Amazon? Yo? Amazon,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you know, what I'm saying, I'm

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Speaker 2: Park, right, it's frustrating. And I think the naming rights

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Speaker 2: How do we not have a TV deal? Guys? Like

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Speaker 2: I understand, you know, Kim is a new GM. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they're frustrated too, but I just wish we

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Speaker 2: And you can see what's going on with the heat,

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Speaker 2: even though now they're playing better. But if you didn't

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Speaker 1: I think you're totally right. I mean, the Marlins thinking

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Speaker 1: You already know that whole conversation. So anybody in particular

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Speaker 2: Target man I saw on Twitter. I think somebody from

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Speaker 2: I think they said, like Anthony Rizzo coming back, I

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Speaker 2: to the situation, don't You don't pass on great talent

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Speaker 2: for the possibility of great talent. So if Rizzin, like, yeah,

428
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: Lowin could be great, but we really know what Rizzelo is.

429
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 2: You know. It's the type of how old?

430
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: How old is Anthony Rizzo?

431
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

432
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta compare this. Anthony Rizzo is he was

433
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: born in eighty nine, so he's what thirty two, thirty one,

434
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Speaker 1: thirty two? He's thirty one years.

435
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: Right, right?

436
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: So all right, so you know what, what he's gonna

437
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: give you two maybe two three more good years left?

438
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: What is a good year considered for you?

439
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 2: All right? But here's my counter that what if they

440
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 2: bring back DH to the National League.

441
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Speaker 1: I mean, they are going to bring it back, but

442
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if I.

443
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: Would throw conversation and it's one that will probably have

444
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: next summer. It's one of those things that I could

445
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: see the Martins doing it, you know, the local kid,

446
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: all that great stuff, and I mean thirty one, that's

447
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 2: not that crazy. I'm not saying give him a seven

448
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: year contract, but it's one of those things that we

449
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: do have talent there. Aguiar probably won't be on the

450
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: team by next year, but I said that last year,

451
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: so Agar probably won't be on the team next year.

452
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: Who knows what's gonna happen with Cooper. The Martins have

453
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 2: been very adamant that they don't see him as an

454
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: everyday player for whatever reason, So I don't. I don't

455
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen there. Lewin Diaz looks good,

456
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: he's he looks the part. He has a glove and

457
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: you know, for all accounts, he could hit a little bit.

458
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I like him a lot.

459
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: More like him too.

460
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: I like him too.

461
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: Then, Uh, Hazus Sanchez. I feel like Hazeus needs to

462
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: keep working on his craw to play. I feel like

463
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: I think he's passing too much.

464
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: Like I can't hit water if you fell off a boat.

465
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: But the point is that if it's to me, if

466
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta think. I think this season

467
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: is going to be very interesting because I think come July,

468
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: we're going to see a lot of those quote unquote

469
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: fan favorite guys be moved in the way the Martins

470
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: have been trading lately, where they're adding, but they're also subtracting.

471
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Speaker 2: You know, I could see us let's say we're in

472
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Speaker 2: it in July still it's you know, we're three games

473
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Speaker 2: behind the Braves, whatever, and we go get another bat,

474
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: we go get a shortstop or whatever, or we go

475
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Speaker 2: get a catcher. Let's say, let's say everybody's killing it

476
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Speaker 2: except the fall, you know, so, or we go get

477
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Speaker 2: that closer. I could see us including a coup, you know,

478
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: an Agyar a Dickerson if he's playing enough, in order

479
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: to go get these guys, while at the same time

480
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: we'd give up some of our prospects, we'd also be

481
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: acquiring prospects, because that's what the Marnins have been doing lately.

482
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: It's acquiring and trading, acquiring and trading. You know, we

483
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: got hayesus last year or Looin last year, and then

484
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: now we traded a few of our younger guys, Alex Vasia,

485
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: that minor league first, Blase Wman, I always forget his

486
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: name in order to get bullpen pieces. So I think

487
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: that's what our summer's going to look like. And if

488
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: you look at our first thirteen games I'm looking at now,

489
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: it's a gauntlet. You know, we could this season could

490
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: go very negative, very quick. You know, three against Tampa,

491
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Speaker 2: three against the low Is, three against the Mets, four

492
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Speaker 2: against the Brakes. And that's the first fifteen days of April.

493
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the twenty one season, Marlins.

494
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: Right. We don't get a break until April sixteenth, which

495
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: we play the Giants for three, Baltimore for two, and

496
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Speaker 2: then we go back to San Francisco for four. That's

497
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Speaker 2: our first I mean, that's a nice that's a road.

498
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: We're home for half of that. But that's a split

499
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: of games where you should expect a team to win

500
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 2: seven eight of those. But those first thirteen to fifteen

501
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: days of Martins baseball could be very rough. And if

502
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 2: you start, oh or not, but if you start, you know,

503
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: three and eleven, three and twelve, that's a huge gap

504
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: out of the hole to this in the nleast you're

505
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: not bouncing back from that.

506
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Speaker 1: I promise, man, I'm trying to stay a little bit

507
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: more positive. They could keep five hundred ball going. I

508
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: believe in the pitching in this team.

509
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, but listen to what

510
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: just happened right now. It was just announced today that

511
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: now we might not have six though for the first

512
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: series against the Rays because he had a false positive,

513
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: like fucking Christ's already curse. I don't know if he

514
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 2: cursed on a podcast, but whatever, he had a false positive.

515
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: The Martins can't catch a break, and then he reported

516
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: late to begin with, So now he's gonna have a

517
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: bullpen day. Then he's in to pitch one or two

518
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: simulated games and one or two spring training games. He's

519
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: probably gonn have to go to the extended spring training

520
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: once the season starts because he won't have his pitch

521
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: count up, so we won't have him for the first series.

522
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 2: So now he's most likely starting that first game against

523
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Speaker 2: Saint Louis. I'm Marlins Park. But now that's already three

524
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: games later, so we're looking at Sandy Pablo, I guess Hernandez,

525
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: which is still good, but.

526
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Speaker 1: You forget you forget about Rogers. Man, he's doing pretty good.

527
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 2: Right, but Rogers wouldn't start that first series. I mean theoretically,

528
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

529
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Speaker 1: I think I'm not I'm not really worried about six though,

530
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, not being ready for the first series. You

531
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, At the end of the day,

532
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and sixty two game season. Thank god,

533
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: you're going back to normality on that sense, and like

534
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: we slowly but surely, you got to stretch these guys out,

535
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: Like you don't want six to come out and throw

536
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Speaker 1: like a complete game on his first one. It would

537
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: be great, it would be great, But that's not the thing.

538
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is back to those first fifteen games. Now,

539
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: when you do that, when six will gets pushed to

540
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: that second series instead of him having you know, our

541
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: strength being our rotation, instead of im having three starts

542
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: in those fifteen games, now he's only gonna have two.

543
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: So it does affect a team. You know. Now, Gio's

544
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 2: probably gonna have to throw one of those games if

545
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: he comes out and does good in the spring. And

546
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: I know it's early to even be talking about this,

547
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 2: but those first fifteen games, you can't start three and

548
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: you know, twelve whatever and those Look at that schedule, man,

549
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. I know the Rays are always going to

550
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: be competitive. Saint Louis got better, New York got better,

551
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: and Atlanta. We have four games against Atlanta to end

552
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: those first fifteen days, and Atlanta's better. You know, are

553
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: the Giants better? I don't know. I don't know what

554
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: the Giants have done. But the point is it's a gaunlet.

555
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: The season is going to be a gunlet, and the

556
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: Naleas is going to be a gunlet. I think, I think.

557
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: I think our pitching is going to be our strength

558
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: and it's gonna keep us in the fight the whole season. Right,

559
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: I think my prediction on my way too early predictions

560
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: for the rotation just based off of all of the

561
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: information we got on everything, six though being a little

562
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: behind and all that go too. So I'm thinking Sandy, Pablo, Lilo,

563
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: six though, Rogers right, and then if for some reason

564
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: six though is now ready, you give the ball to Goo.

565
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing that. I see that. I don't I

566
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: don't disagree with any of your point there. Up again,

567
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: back to Eliza Hernandez, He's a two pitch guy. He's

568
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: working on the third pitch. It hasn't really worked for him.

569
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: He struggled through the first the third time through the lineup.

570
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: Usually in his starts, he's like, he'll get you to

571
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: the fifth inning more or less if he's on, and

572
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: he was. There was times last year that he was dominant,

573
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: you know, can you count on that again? I don't know.

574
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: I think he'll come back to earth a little bit,

575
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, counting on him

576
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: to do that is just I think it's a disservice

577
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: to him. I see him as like a fourth or

578
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: fifth starter, or maybe even a swingman in the bullpen,

579
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: you know, give you those innings when you need him.

580
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: But he could. Honestly, I do see him eventually going

581
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: to the bullpen full time, being a seventh or eighth

582
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: inning guy. You know, those get those outs. His two

583
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: pitches are above average, and I see that move for

584
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: him eventually. I don't know who would replace him in

585
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: the rotation. Maybe neither, but it's gonna be interesting.

586
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: Tell you what, man, I really like Lelo. Last season

587
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: we had a little competitor, he's my boy. We had

588
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: the competitive little bet going on. You and I and

589
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: You're lucky that he went down, because I think he

590
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: would have he would have really been up there with Pablo.

591
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Who knows. Man, maybe he takes this challenge. You know

592
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I agree with you. Projections for me

593
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: was always like maybe he's a four or five started

594
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: for the for the Marlins or any MLB team. But

595
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: that being said, man, maybe he takes you know what

596
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, He takes up the challenge and they put

597
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: him to Martin say hey, you gotta be the number

598
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: three guy. And maybe he has some luck. Maybe the

599
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: number three guys on the other team don't have their

600
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: best stuff those days, and he has the luck and

601
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: he and he starts like believe in himself more and

602
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: more and more. I mean, like you know it kind

603
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: of they're not the same pitcher, but I just like,

604
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: I feel like he got the opportunity to start pitching

605
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: and he bloss them and then like he really took

606
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: off the charts. Was called Pavano, right. Everybody thought Carl

607
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: pavan when he got here was like a number four

608
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: or five guy because we got him from the Expos

609
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: and then boom, we're in the middle of the playoff

610
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: run and Yeah, his record I think was like nine

611
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: and ten or eleven and ten something something like that. Right, dude,

612
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: he was arguably like the second best picture, third best

613
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: picture on that rotation when the Mornins were in the playoffs,

614
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: like obviously Beckett was number one, hands down, right. Then

615
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: you had Willis, you had Pavano, Brad Penny so dude,

616
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: and then Mark Redman So so you know, like Pavano

617
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: to really turn it up. It was like, all right, boom,

618
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: he turned it up. Then he got the contract. Everybody

619
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: knows the whole history. But what I'm the moral of

620
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: the story is, manlel this is the opportunity, baby, opportunities

621
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: knocking on the door. You got to open it and

622
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: you gotta kick ass.

623
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: All right, Hopefully he does. Man. I just I honestly

624
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: don't see him as a starter. I seem eventually falling

625
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: back to the bull plan, and I think he could

626
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: be really good in the book. I'm not saying he's

627
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: not a good picture by any means. I'm saying his

628
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: stuff translates to seventh to everything, guys. And there's people

629
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: out there that disagreement. There's people out there that agree

630
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: with me, and it's all.

631
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Good, But talk to me about Don Mattingly. All right,

632
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: Donnie Baseball, he's what the longest tenured manager we've had,

633
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: the most winning manager we've had in Marland's history. Now,

634
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: is this the right guy moving forward? I know he

635
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: was manager of the Year last year, but is this

636
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: the right guy moving forward? I mean, I was talking

637
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine. He was like, Dude, I

638
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: don't know, like he's a he's a diehard Dolphin fan.

639
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: He a Heat fan, but he's like in denial about

640
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: coming back to the Marlins. He said, dude, you got

641
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: to come back to the Marlins. Wet We got Don Mattically,

642
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: we're good, but he says, I'm not sold. Bro, Donnie Baseball.

643
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: He's only had one winning season since he's been here.

644
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maddenly To me and anybody who's been with us

645
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: on this show to the ride last year, they know

646
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: how I feel about him. To me, I think we're

647
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: gonna move on. To me, I see him as he's

648
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: a great personality, great guy, you know, great with the fans,

649
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: great with the media or whatever. But there's some decisions

650
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: he makes and when you really look into it, they

651
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: may not all be Is this he had like last year,

652
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: he really had no choice but to throw some of

653
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: those guys that he was throwing, like Josh G. Smith,

654
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: Josh this Smith, whatever Smith, you know, throwing guys from

655
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: leagues that we've never even heard of. So I understand

656
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: last year he did. He earned his check, he earned

657
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: the award. I'm off for that. But historically when it

658
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: comes to playoffs and stuff like that, he does bone

659
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: headed moves. I don't know if he overthinks it. I

660
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: don't know who he's listening to, but I have family

661
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: that are diehard Dodger fans, and they said the same thing,

662
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: Wait until playoffs, wait until big games, and he does

663
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: weird shit. You know, there's no reason. Last year, I

664
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: think we talked about this already, but there was a

665
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: stat that came out that I think in the twenty

666
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: eight times that Boksburger, Yimmy and Kinseler came out of

667
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: the bullpen in that order, out of the twenty eight

668
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: times or something like or twenty seven times, twenty six

669
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: of them, and they had the lead, I think it

670
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: was twenty six of those times we won the game.

671
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: It was like twenty six for two, twenty seven or

672
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: maybe even twenty seven for twenty seven and then in

673
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: the playoffs against the Braves, I know we were outgunned completely.

674
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: Then he didn't do that in the game that we

675
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: had to lead. I don't know who we gave a

676
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: ball to. I think he brought Yimme out first in

677
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: the seventh. Then he gave up a three run home

678
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: run to somebody, probably Okuna, because that's just the way

679
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: it is. But like that frustrated me, man, Like, how

680
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: how can you just not go to your go to

681
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: guys that've done it and in the order you've done

682
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 2: it and it's worked. And it's stuff like that that

683
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: bothers me. The whole giving logan foresight starts last year

684
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: bothered me. Obviously, starting second base, not starting pitching, that

685
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: stuff bothered me, Like there was nobody better than a

686
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: guy that you can literally tell was outmatched every time

687
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: he stepped in the box. So I don't know if

688
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: he's the guy. Man, to answer your question, I don't

689
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: know who's out there though, Like I don't know who

690
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: would be a better option. I'm not trying to say

691
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: there is a better option, but I'm just saying I

692
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 2: don't know if he's the guy that's going to take

693
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: us to that next level. I know the hitting coach.

694
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Now, what's his name, James Rawson?

695
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: Rawson? Is that guy's not gonna be a hitting coach

696
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: for much longer. He's gonna got a head coaching job.

697
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: Is it in Miami? I don't know, but he's gonna

698
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: get offered a job. I thought's go off the job

699
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: this year. I thought were gonna lose it.

700
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: He did. Yeah, I believe the Boston Red Sox offered

701
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: him a job. He was one of the finalists to

702
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: land that gig before they eventually brought back Alex Cora.

703
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, Craig mission Jeordan Jordan McPherson wrote an article

704
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: on the Marlins have a superstar of a MLB manager

705
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: coming up and that that's the guy right there, James Rosson.

706
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: And you can obviously tell he's already made an impact

707
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: because of Marlins has gotten better, you know what I'm saying.

708
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: Batting as a team, they're a little bit more clutch.

709
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: They're not where we want him to be, but they're

710
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: on their way, dude, So that's what you want, right.

711
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: And let me see here, it looks like maddeningly contracts.

712
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: It looks like in twenty nineteen. He signed it to

713
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: your extension in September, so we have him through this

714
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: and then I believe he's available every through the next season,

715
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: but the mutual option for twenty twenty two, so we

716
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: have him so this year for sure, and then going

717
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: into the next season, we have a mutual option, which

718
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: means both sides have to choose. I mean both have

719
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: both sides have to agree to come back. I don't

720
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: think that happens. That's my prediction. I don't think he

721
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: comes back. I think they give a bottle what's his name,

722
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Rosin Rosen, James Rossen, Rosson. I think they

723
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: give him the you know, the lineup card and he

724
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: takes us to the next level. I agree.

725
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't argue with that. And it sounds

726
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: like a like a pretty logistical plan. You know, this

727
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: will be a very observant year for Kim Ang and

728
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: the Miami front office. And uh, man, I'll tell you

729
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: what they're they're in a good spot, man, because they're

730
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: really the ones to make the moves. They're deciding where

731
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: they're going to go with this franchise and what best

732
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: for them. And you know what I was reading an

733
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: article about Don Manningley, and he was saying that he

734
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: knows that eventually every manager's time comes to an end,

735
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: their term comes to an end with a team, and

736
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: that he's seen it happening with Joe Tory, He's seen

737
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: it happen, you know, with Joe Girardi.

738
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: He's seen it happen.

739
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: With Aaron Boone out in the Yankees. And he says

740
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time until it eventually happens

741
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: to him, and that regardless of whatever happens, that he'll

742
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: be okay leaving the organization because he knows it's headed

743
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: the right way, regardless of what that means. I don't

744
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: know if that was like an inside scoop or what.

745
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: That was a very blue article that was catching up on.

746
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: It's like, this is this guy has mentality. He knows

747
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: that this could be his last year, but he's not

748
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: worried about it. He's just doing his job. Like at

749
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Don Manningley, like, if it

750
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: doesn't work out with the Marlins, he's guaranteed he's going

751
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: to have another job again in Major League Baseball. It

752
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: comes without saying.

753
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: Right, he'll probably get offered something at MLB, you know,

754
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: like a more executive role.

755
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but whatever, met, Hey, we're not coming at Donney Baseball. Donnie,

756
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: we love you, man, Thank you for you know what

757
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, what you're doing, guy, and let's go fish man.

758
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: Let's turn it up this season. And why not us man?

759
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: We love being the underdogs. That's that's one of the

760
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: main reasons I always became a Marlins fan, you know

761
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was always us against the world,

762
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: and damn, by golly, he was beautiful when we wanted

763
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: In ninety seven, that's when I fell in love with

764
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: the whole organization. And then in O three, like we

765
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: did it again under gods, like we beat the Yankees,

766
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying at at Yankee Stadium. So

767
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, after seventeen years, we finally got into

768
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: a playoff. It was a short little season, but it

769
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: was fun because we got past all the adversity and

770
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: all the obstacles and all you know what I'm saying,

771
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: the pandemic and damn dude, it was exciting to see

772
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: so much joy brought back to that South Florida fan base,

773
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: those Florida Marlin fans even outside of South Florida, dude,

774
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean? It felt good to

775
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: have that pride out again. Yeah.

776
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: Man, And to wrap things up around here, I'm gonna

777
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get back on the show as

778
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: much as I can. Guys, my work schedule has been

779
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: a disaster. But Adax, what's your prediction for this season?

780
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: Man, I'm gonna keep a thousand, as I always like

781
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: to keep a thousand with you guys. Man, I know

782
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: that I said that I want us to go for

783
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: playoffs and everything, but I'm thinking if we land somewhere

784
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: between seventy seven games in that ballpark, you know what

785
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, give it take five, five and more. I'm

786
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: saying seventy seven is my ideal prediction. If they get

787
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: eight hundred, if they get five hundred, they get eighty one,

788
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: eighty one, it's a winning season for us because, you

789
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: know what, these guys were able to keep it together

790
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: with what they have, the resources, the young guys, they're

791
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: showing signs that continue to blossom. But I just feel like,

792
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: like we started the whole podcast, I feel like, yeah,

793
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: we needed to add another few arms to help out

794
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: this rotation. Yeah, we got vets now in Sandy and Pablo,

795
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: But to a certain extent, I don't want to push

796
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: them so much, like if they both give us two

797
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: hundred innings, by golly amazing, but I don't want it

798
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: to be like we're trying to push these guys to

799
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: two hundred and then they get hurt because who's there

800
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: to back them up. It's just nothing but rookies. And

801
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: really it's crazy that Geoe Gonzale is all career like innings.

802
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: Pitch is more than all the Marlins combined, you know

803
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

804
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: So so we'll see. I'm gonna say seventy eight wins

805
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: for me.

806
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: So that's a good guess. I mean last year, damn,

807
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: we were pretty spot on. What do we say. We

808
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: needed thirty thirty two wins, thirty three wins to get

809
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: into the platform, boom we hit it.

810
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: So I just think that at least the problems and

811
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: I've seen like all the tweets and shit about the mets.

812
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: I said this last year, guys, the metal are gonna met,

813
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: you know, and so I see otherwise, stop stop with

814
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: the crap predictions. I had someone I saw someone I

815
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: think mb dot com was saying that the Braves are

816
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: going to coming forth, and I tweeted, I was like,

817
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: what happened to the Braves that everyone's so down on them?

818
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: You know, like where do they not have one of

819
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: the best lineups in baseball? Like what what happened to that?

820
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: Why is everyone done on them? Because the Mets added

821
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 2: a few guys, Come on, man, the Nationals are gonna

822
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: be trash. I don't see it. I don't understand why

823
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: people were so low on the Braves.

824
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand that either. I actually got them.

825
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: I got the Braves winning it. I got the Braves

826
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: winning it. I hate to say it, but I got

827
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: the Braves winning the NL East. Then I got second place.

828
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: Who do I got in second place? Oh, the Mets.

829
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: And then I got somewhere I got should be Philadelphia

830
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: ahead of us, then US, and then to round it off,

831
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, uh, who am the Nationals?

832
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm similar. I have Braves one, Phillies two, Marlins and

833
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: Mets three four and the Nationals five. And I think

834
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: the Marlins are actually gonna finish better than the Mets.

835
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: The Mets're gonna fish fourth, They're gonna have a bad year.

836
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: I don't care. Don't tell me about their starting rotation anymore,

837
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: because that starting rotation has never existed. It's just on paper,

838
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: you know.

839
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: So I'm good. Hey, I'm good. I think we got

840
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: a shot against them.

841
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: Dude.

842
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: They're not always They're not always gonna throw the groum

843
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: at us, and and I think we got the grounds

844
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: number to a certain extent. Man, I think we can

845
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: get the best out of.

846
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: Them, you know. And we got to get away with Graves.

847
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: That's it.

848
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: Don't let them throw Yamamoto at us.

849
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: You know he's gonna throw a seven inning gym.

850
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you might. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Give up twenty nine runs or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You gave up? All right, Alex, celebratiful people fish Stripes

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Speaker 2: where they could find you on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, you guys can find me on the

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Speaker 1: real lay con for more exciting content and go vision

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Speaker 1: fish Stripes dot com. Red what's your handle?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't have to say it

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Speaker 2: in a while. It's red Garcia Underscore Underscore on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Same for Ig, same for I don't have a TikTok.

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Speaker 2: The Marlin's playing a few hours, guys. I'm sure we're

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Speaker 2: not going to have that on TV, so enjoy the

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Speaker 2: radio broadcast, Jordy at Bat and go fid you like.

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Speaker 1: Cue the music