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Speaker 1: Lolly and Matt Williamson on your Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale already

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Speaker 1: here with Matt Williamson. And it's a lovely monday here

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Speaker 1: thus far. Supposed to rain later on the sea this evening,

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Speaker 1: but hasn't started yet and so uh not gonna rain

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Speaker 1: on our parade and nor did it rain on well,

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Speaker 1: it kind of did on Terrell Edmonds parade. Um, we

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Speaker 1: didn't talk about this this resigning in the first segment.

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Speaker 1: But the Steelers resigning Terrell Edmonds on Friday, that was

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Speaker 1: that was kind of a news a late Friday news

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was the case for the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: and it pretty much happened right after we stopped recording,

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Speaker 1: Uh you mentioned, you know, uh getting warm here in

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Speaker 1: in Draft week. Happy Draft week to all you know, and

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Speaker 1: and you'll hear from us twice before the draft and

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch storing. So that's good stuff. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: the league, and that in itself has a lot of value.

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Speaker 1: He's a man coverage guy against tight ends, he plays

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Speaker 1: there's some promise there. And he's young, you know, coming

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Speaker 1: loss is the Steelers game, in my opinion, and he's

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Speaker 1: before the draft, you know. And it takes again what

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Speaker 1: And we both thought, no, you can still bring it

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Speaker 1: Morgan Burnett that year, right, right, right, So again it

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