WEBVTT - The Spawkwing Diamond! (feat. Frankie Grande) 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.120 You know how crazy we sound when we laugh at 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.000 one point five speed? Yeah, like nah, we sound like SpongeBob. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.080 Well like gay podcasters in general, like trying to listen 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.800 to them at one point five speed is like insane. Yeah, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.200 you're taking your life and your ear drums in your hands. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:25.239 She's she a me, no me, not on my mate? Yo? 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:34.840 Yo yo? What is your child? Edged brother? Yo? I'm 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:48.640 going down before like usually so. Welcome to Like a Virgin, 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.599 the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:57.040 I'm Rosalind Fran Toronto, and we are recording this a 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:02.920 lot earlier than we normally do be because Franny, what 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:09.080 are you doing next? My friend Laurel Laurel Charleston, if 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.600 you don't follow her, she's an amazing, amazing at MUA 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.040 and a friend of Rosin I my and a friend 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.479 of Roseen. I. One day I'll learn how to speak English. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:23.200 Scammed us into a Virgin Cruise Line cruise leaving from 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.039 Miami next week. Thank you for being honest. Yeah, brand 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.440 strong Virgin. Yeah not just a Virgin cruise, a Virgin 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.680 cruise where children are not allowed, which I love. Oh 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.319 thank god, oh thanks and more importantly, a cruise that 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.640 I don't have to really pay for, because I think 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.360 cruises are kind of disgusting and I would never really 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.240 want to pay for one. Well, I hope you have 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.120 a lot of fun on your cruise. I haven't been 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:48.680 on a cruise in a long time, but we used 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.280 to go on them a lot when I was a teenager. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.160 And in fact, I lost my virginity on a cruise, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.640 which I do think we've talked about on this podcast before. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:02:03.080 God that you lost your virginity in maritime law at sea. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.960 I lost my virginity in the Bermuda Triangle. I'm gonna 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:10.160 lose my tucking panty virginity because I've actually never worn 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.320 tucking panties before, and um, Laurel is bringing me some 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.079 for for a little you're tucking on the cruise, I'm 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.799 gonna you're tucking at sea. I'm tucking at sea for 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.320 the tan line. Most importantly, I think that that is 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.840 kind of gonna. I mean, I'm obviously I'm bringing like 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:28.200 six spading suits, but one of them is a tucking 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.520 panty specifically for tanning. Um, and I actually, yeah, I've 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.160 never had one before. Not that everyone should wear them, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.160 but I was just like, you know, one of swaffed 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.840 in quint um. Yeah, we would be amazing on a 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.120 Virgin cruise line together, like the Virgin brand, so strong, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.840 Virgin slide into our dms. Come on, let's should we 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:51.200 do a show at Actually, actually, my my, I'm one 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.200 of those gay cruises. My sisters were trying to get 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:55.880 me to go on a cruise with them for their 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.680 twenty first birthday later this year, and I like truly 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.320 have no desire to go on a cruise again. Listen, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.079 I'm not judging you. I'm so excited for you. I 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.800 hope you're going to have but like, especially post COVID 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:13.000 for years after code, I really I really don't want 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:18.280 to be stuck on a boat somewhere ye like full 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:24.639 of you know, shrimp and um like well liquor. That 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.360 will be exactly the vibe. I'm I'm there for the 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.760 Tan Diva and I will get one um because you 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.160 can only get a tan at sea. Yes true? Um, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.720 wait what what if we did a show at sea? What? 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.480 What what would we do it on? Would it be 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:43.120 um aquamarine or wait what what splash? Oh? Yeah we 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.520 could we could finally do our splash episode. We would 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.240 do a whole weird We would do like a couple 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:53.440 of nights on the boat. I'm assuming and um unless 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.320 we're just helicoptered in for one night. Um. And so 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.200 we would do sort of like thematic grouping of of 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:06.080 you know, like see adjacent topics. Yeah. Oh, you would 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:07.920 finally have to watch Mamma Mia and we would do 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.440 Mamma mea. That's not a CE movie. It's an island. Well, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.360 it takes place on an island one in the middle. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:21.120 On this island, you would say, would you say you 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.320 find a tree? Do you see with mangoes? Okay? Anyways, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.680 um okay, wait, speaking of once on this island, though, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.479 I wanted to tell you I saw a musical last okay, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.720 but I don't think you are familiar with at all. Um. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.839 So I went to kind of last minute went to 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:46.960 the concert with the original Broadway cast of Ragtime. M 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.880 It was a one night only event. It was supposed 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.960 to happen in twenty twenty, but was pushed back because 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.480 of the pandemic. My brother had gotten tickets because Ragtime 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.520 is his favorite show ever, and then his friend couldn't go. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.440 Last minutes have you invited me, which was very very 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.520 sweet of him, and so I love Radtime, but I 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.680 also have a lot of trauma associated with it because 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.359 it was one of our mainstage shows when I was 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.920 in high school and I wasn't cast in it and 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.160 I really wanted to be, and so I have a 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:21.800 lot of feelings around it. But I also did dare 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.719 I ask? I mean, I mean, like the trans answer 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:31.360 is mother or Evelyn Nesbit or maybe Emma Goldman Um. Yeah, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.960 I could see myself as I'm a Goldman Um. What's 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:38.400 exactly the kind of premise? So Radtime is based on 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:43.160 a novel which takes place in the early twentieth century, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:48.760 and it is about a bunch of different classes and 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.000 societies of people having to sort of interact, which is, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:57.960 you know, like white society, um, the like Harlem society 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:03.080 which was had sort of like congregated around rag music 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.440 in the early nineteen hundreds, and then also Eastern European 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.839 immigrant who were living in tenement houses on the Lower 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.679 East Side, and how they all sort of come together. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:19.200 And it's like incredibly like epic and emotional and has 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:24.679 some of the best music in musical theater history. And 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.920 the cast has some like true Broadway divas in it. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:37.120 Marin Mazzi, who has passed, played mother. Audra McDonald plays Sarah, 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.560 who has some incredible songs like your Daddy's son. As 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.960 I said in our Patreon episode, Uncle Frank from Succession 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.520 is Tatteh. Also, Liam Shell was in the original Broadway 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:56.560 caste Girl, and so I knew going into it that 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.960 she wasn't playing the little girl. They had an actual 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.359 they had children playing the children's roles. But it was incredible. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.640 I cried so much. Um, it was very it was 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.760 a very like who's who of like New York Broadway 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.400 people there and also just like you know, people who 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.840 you would expect to be at something like that. Um, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.800 Michael Cores was there, which was It did get kind 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.200 of annoying that like there were there were so many 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.440 standing ovations throughout the show, and like at a certain 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.400 point it was like, okay, can we can we get 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:31.520 this moving? To get back to standing ovations are honestly, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.040 at at a certain point they become a new sense. Yes, yeah, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.200 because it's a long long you can never go to 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.320 can can where they like stand and clap for like 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.560 eleven minutes or whatever. You'd be like your uber is 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.400 called yeah no no, yeah, I'm out of the building. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.320 I'm one of those people who leaves like before before 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.040 before the curtain, Yeah, before the curtain. Gall absolutely, Um, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.160 you really be go into the theater. If there's one 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.480 thing you gotta do, it's you know, people always ask 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.840 me if I want to go see shows, and I 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.239 pretty much unanimously say no unless the ticket is it's free, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.280 like unanimously me missusing the word unanimously by the way. Um, 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.480 I don't have the patience to sit through life theater 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:18.720 and unless i'm my legs are so big, honey, my 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.480 arms on this arm you really are crammed into those 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.679 sitting like the hunchback on Notre Dame. The lady behind 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.840 me getting mad at me because my coat is too 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.439 big and it's on her knees. Please, I can't, I can't, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.880 I can't. Um. But if it's a show that I 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.440 love seeing theater, send row I love seeing theater and um, 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.240 any you know publicists who are listening who want to 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:46.120 see I love seeing, free love seeing, please please send 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.840 us the tickets. We will gladly go. Unless it's Haiti 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:55.959 Haities town. I'm never seeing Oh my god. Um okay, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.480 well I don't have a transition. I'm so sorry. My 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.840 brain is just totally okay you want to talk about 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.360 my brain is not honestly the honestly the way we 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.440 do transitions on this podcast in general. I mean, like, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.400 like you know, content transitions. Um, I feel like they're 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:19.559 not gender um are honestly, Like, it's just it's always 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.400 hit our miss and the hits are from bros. And 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.280 the missus are from me. And that's just like my 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.040 transitions are. Like. So what we're going to talk about 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.160 next is like that's gonna be how I do it, um, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.640 Because the thing is, we are here today recording on 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.440 Transgender Day of Visibility, even though the podcast is not 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.880 being released on Transgender Day of visible Oh it's oh, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:49.120 it's visibility, today's visibility. Not remembering it might be vengeance, visibility, vivaciousness, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.800 trans Day of something or trans Day of something. Um 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:57.640 and um um. Did you see that Lizzo is releasing 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.559 um binders and tucking panties in her shapewear brand Yiddy, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.560 which is the worst name for a shapeer brand ever, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.000 No tell me more, Okay, I mean Yitty is the 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.240 shapewear brand that Lizzo launched to compete with Skims, which 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.679 is like awesome and like if anybody's going to do that, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.600 like Lizzio can do it right whatever, And but also 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.520 team Skims seem Skims sorry is an excellent product. We 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.600 are a pro Skims podcast and we are yes, we 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.640 are a Skimming e stuff. And if you and if 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.440 you have a problem with that, prove us wrong, prove 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.280 us wrong, try on the garment, period, Try on the garment. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.560 Tell us wrong, Lizzo, Lizzo, send us some fucking under 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:40.480 and we'll we'll see if you can stand up to Kim. Yeah. Period. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.680 And I and I think that when I actually saw 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.080 this announcement, I was like genuinely excited because I was like, oh, 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.920 she's actually like you know, I kind of trusted her 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.079 a little bit to do something like this, even though 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.280 it should be you know, it wasn't perfect, but I 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.360 was like, Okay, maybe this is something. And then I 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.960 saw this image and this image like of the campaign 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.720 is so like everyone in the image looks bad except 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:08.480 for Lizzo, and their makeup is like not right, and 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.880 this tucking panty is like not like styled like you know, 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.560 big like kind of like bikini strap styled. It's like 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:22.559 styled like a Calvin Kleine you know why line boxer. 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.360 And it's like it just smelt immediately, and I was like, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.800 I'm not really sure what I'm seeing, but like I 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.640 feel like, I mean, you know me, I'm like so 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.400 um ansty about like queer trans like Pride campaign stuff 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.160 like that. I've been looking at them for eons and 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.080 so like I have like a sixth sense for stuff 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.800 like this, but um, yeah, and smell is one of 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:49.920 the fives. Smell yes, you're right, I use my fifth 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.600 sense and lo and behold. Like Later that night, Zachary 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.000 Drucker tweeted I think on behalf of your Body coast, 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:59.240 saying that there's this awesome shapewear brand and binder company 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.880 called your Body that Lizzo's company ordered a full size 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.200 run from a year ago, didn't like reach out to 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.800 the actual brand until a year later, had one meeting, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.400 they saw no trans people on their team, and then 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.959 all of a sudden, this brand, this new Yiddi brand, 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.479 was arrived without any help from trans people at all, apparently. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.400 And so I think that you know a lot of 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.840 the things that I thought were, you know, happening in 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.600 this image were happening in this image. And it's just 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.240 frustrating because like you and I talked about the Lisso 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.480 album momentarily last year, and this one song that she 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:39.040 had called Everybody's Gay, which I found extremely annoying in 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.400 a canon of kind of like quasi gay anthems, and 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.880 which I did not listen to. Yeah, yeah, And it's 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.360 just like things like that where I'm just like, actually, like, 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.839 you have all the tools to do this right and 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.240 you didn't. And I guess I'm not surprised because capitalism 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.880 is like that and a list celebrities are terrible, their 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.800 teams are terrible. People bowl because they have to be 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.640 for some reason. But yeah, I don't know. It just 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.760 made me so mad, Rose, I don't even know why 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.000 it made me so mad. I'm like so mad. Well, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.720 I I get I get why you're mad, Like if 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.760 this is not something I would get mad about, like 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.120 even though I do think it is objectively something that sucks, 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.680 I get why you're mad, and I get why someone 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.800 who I get why anyone would be mad because I 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.960 think you're right, Like Lizzo is someone who presents herself 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.440 as like being of the people and you know, like 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:36.640 a champion of people who mainstream culture often leaves out, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.240 and so for her to do so so explicitly like 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:46.480 this like is stinky YEA A part of me wants 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.800 to say, like it is still great that Lizzo made 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:54.440 this line for queer and trans people. But then like 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.319 the flip side of that is like it's just a 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.000 it's just a product. It's just a market for her 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.800 to reach, Like there's no, there's no like, it's not 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.080 she's not like some like Champion four, you know, like 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.559 diversity and inclusion by doing that, she's just trying to 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.679 make more money. Um. And that's the thing is like 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.240 this conversation does like doesn't even need to be about Lizzo, right, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.160 Like it's it's we don't look to like our A 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.680 list celebrities to be like you know, moral ethical centers 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.000 and like people that are perfect at doing everything or whatever, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.840 like I don't really care about I don't care about 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.400 a lot of things, um and and just with something 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.360 like this, it's just like so it's so ick and 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.320 I think that part of like what I feel like 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.800 I want to talk about it is like most trans 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:44.120 underwear is like not even that good, you know, Like no, 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.360 I mean I don't. Brands are like there's such a 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.200 limited availability and they're all owned and run by trans people, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.440 which is awesome, but like they're like the smallest number 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.600 of styles and no color options. And you know, I 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.280 don't even use like I just I just tuck in 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.880 regular underwear, like I don't use trans specific underwear. Yeah, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.480 I mean, like I also talk in regular underwear depending 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.840 on like what the occasion is or whatever. And but 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.800 you know, for binders and other things, it's like there 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.960 are reasons why people you know, need or want this 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.480 underweard depending on what they're wearing. And it's like, I 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.080 this is an untapped market. That's like why I'm so mad. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.240 It's like there's just a way to do this right, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.520 to make you can make tons of money and also 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.440 get that money in the hands of trans people or 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.240 like have trans people be your lateral collaborators on something. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.360 And like yeah, and I just like wish underwear was 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.960 cute like for trans people. We're just we were just 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.320 talking about Laudree and our Patreon the other day. Yeah, 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.280 I mean I do think what this all comes comes 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.120 back to is like you you simply just can't look 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.120 to capitalism to like be ethical and inclusive and like 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.240 make you like feel good about your gender, your community 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.760 or whatever. It just it it does work. No, no, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.360 but it. But what I what we can do even 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.680 if we can't look to capitalism to be these like solutions, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.400 we can hold like those that are the arbiters of 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.200 our capital world to higher standards because that does work, 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.080 you know. And I feel like part of the organizing 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.360 that's happening rather or by organizing, I mean like I'm 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.240 dming diet product and like Zachary Chuggar, and like, I 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.520 just feel like there there's reasons why stories like these 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.400 need to be blown up, and like I feel like 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.880 you should make a TikTok about it. I should make 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.720 a TikTok about it. Actually, I um, Okay, we've talked 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.640 about this for too long. I really want to talk 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.680 about swarm. Okay, that's the that's the show with Billy Eilish, right, Yes, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.000 it's the show with Billie Eilish. And I know that 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.840 it's a bit reductive to say the show with Billy Eilish, 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:51.640 but um, Billy Eilish, Yeah, yeah, A show with Dominic 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:56.240 Fishback obviously of course as well, Um yeah, I I 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.000 uh do. I'll give you the loose premise because I 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.000 don't really think the log lines for this show are 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.080 kind of like, you know, I don't think people are 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:10.360 properly describing the show. The show is about a serial 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:17.000 killer who is also mentally ill, and her kind of 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.359 illness and her compulsion kind of reaches a peak in 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.920 the first episode when something happens to her sister. I 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.640 guess I won't. I'll try and not spill it. Something 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.960 happens to her sister that really traumatizes her, and it 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.719 sends her on a kind of vengeance killing spree, and 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:37.040 she starts to kill people that wrong or bad mouth 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:42.040 this pop idol that she loves named Nija, who is 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.840 a kind of cipher for Beyonce because like the swarm, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.119 the beehive whatever. There's also a trope we're in dominating. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.159 Fishback's character bites Nisa at some point, like Allah the 0:17:53.320 --> 0:18:00.000 woman that bit Beyonce. Do you remember that story? Yeah? 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.880 But you know the movie the movie the show I've 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.480 only I've only watched like the first I think four episodes, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:11.520 and the show like is actually really stunning, great drama. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.760 Dominique Fishback is incredible, and I think it's just across 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.119 the board incredibly active. Chloe Bailey is so fucking good, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.520 but the show kind of forgot to have fun. I 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.920 think it's it's so dark, but the premise is so 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.200 kind of silly, like it's it is actually like so 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.960 so silly that she's killing a lot of the people 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.399 that she's killing and because her motives aren't really clear 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.600 at all. To me, comedy would have been the kind 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.040 of motive. And the show is otherwise like very funny, 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.960 has great jokes, like a great sense of humor, and 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.399 I was like, why didn't they lean in with the 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.280 murder stuff? Because I think what a lot of what 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.560 the show is trying to accomplish, And this is kind 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.960 of where I was thinking about you Rose is like 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.680 this kind of girl bossification of like the series murderous 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.880 story or like the Bad Girl's story. Um, whether it's 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.040 like Gone Girl or like I think a better a 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.600 much better example is I care a lot. Do you 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.679 remember that movie on Netflix and how like it was 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.720 like it had everything, like we were like, oh, this 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.119 is gonna be so cool, and we watched it we 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.280 were like there was nothing to root for for that 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.040 that that care. They forgot to have fun completely and 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.040 there was no wait, speak for yourself. I loved I care, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.560 you loved I care a lot? Yeah I did. I 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.680 don't understand. I thought it was so fun. I don't. Okay, well, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.600 maybe you'll love Swarm because like, I'm not going to 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.160 watch I think that it was like it was overwritten 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.280 and underwritten, you know, like it it there was so 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.480 much spinning out from this like traumatic event that happened 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.840 in the first episode, and yet her killing spree, and 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.680 yet and the show and yet the show is trying 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.920 to say something about stand um very specifically that it's 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.560 not actually saying, like the show really doesn't commentate on 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.480 standum or how to oxyx stands are. This woman isn't 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.439 killing people because she's a stand. She's killing people because 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.760 she's like mentally ill. And I could believe a story 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.480 where someone kills because they're a stand and that, but 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.240 that just like wasn't what was laid out. You know, 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.480 who is Billy in all of this? Okay? So it 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.720 kind of it's a little poker facy and that the 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:27.399 episodic nature is her running across the country and killing people, 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.200 you know, in little kind of like scenes one by one, 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.520 and one of these episodes involves a kind of white 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.000 woman wellness cults that sets up camp outside of Bonnaroo 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.720 every year Bonnaroo every year that's run by a one 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:46.320 Billie Eilish, who plays a sinisterly sweet, understated forgive me 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:53.880 Sydney Sweeney esque kind of like cult leader person, really 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:59.520 well acted, precise, like very understated. I was so surprised 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.720 by what Billy brought um and very gaggy end to 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.320 the episode as well. But um, yeah, Billy is really 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.159 really good. She plays as cult leader that kind of 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.760 usurps Dominic Fishback momentarily, who you know, is trying to 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.560 make sense of these murders that she has been committing 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.119 without like really knowing why she's committing them or you 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.679 know what, what's going to happen next, and Billy's like 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.240 trying to be her mentor and like help her through this. 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.840 Um is the show gay? Yes? It is? I mean 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.040 it's it could be gayer because she the thing is 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.760 Dominic Fishback was obviously everything could be gay. So Dominice 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:38.239 Fishback's sister quote unquote is not her biological sister. She 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.480 was like taken in I think from a fought like 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.480 her friend Chloe Bailey. Basically her parents like fostered in 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.080 Dominique Fishback, So they're not biological sisters, but they're still 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.359 you know, sister sisters. And it's very clear that that 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.080 Dominique Fishback is in love with Chloe Bailey, her best 0:21:56.080 --> 0:22:01.800 friend slash sister you know, and um love some pseudo incests, yes, 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.800 but it's never really clearly pseudo lesbian in fact. Yeah, 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.399 I assume that this is going to be something that 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.479 comes to fusion towards the end, so maybe I'll have 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.280 another like recap after, but like it is, Oh, it's 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.320 not all out, No, it is all out. I just 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:18.639 haven't watched it all. Yeah, I don't know. I just like, 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:20.760 for me, it's just like I think that there there 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.560 was just like such a cool premise in in this show, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:29.320 like Murderous stand Um. I think it's really interesting and 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.320 funny and fun, but I don't think the show is 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.400 really having all that much fun. And the main character's 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:38.000 motives are like kind of much like I care a lot, 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.160 it's just like I actually don't really have I don't 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.880 understand your sociopathy and at the very least like you could, 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.959 like Dominique is making it complex with her acting, but 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:53.439 the writing isn't really making it very complex. You know. Well, 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.480 you've definitely sold me on not watching it, which I 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:00.200 was already planning to do. Yeah, so thank you for that, 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.280 of course, of course my pleasure. I feel extremely validated 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.439 in my choice, as you should. Also, it should be said, um, 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.520 the most toxic standum is the Barbs, not the beehive. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.479 So like that was a little I mean, you know, 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.280 I'm sure they just picked like Beyonce as like the 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:21.639 kind of camp for aesthetic reasons. But if there's a 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:26.720 murderous standum, it's the barbs, right problem. You say that, 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.840 but you say that with fear in your eyes because 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:35.520 they'll because they'll cure us. I know we've said, I know, 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.919 we said podcasting is an uncancellable medium. But like to 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.680 a point, babe, it's funny. Okay. Then if anyone asks, 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.119 we didn't say anything about the Barbs, no, no, only 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.520